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Ep 42: They Think It’s All Over! · Let's Kick It Off!

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  Store. Greatest night of your life?
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  No, no. No, no, Mr Calm.
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  No, no, not Mr Calm. Why I'm, I'm very privileged.
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  I'm a privileged guy. I've been, I've seen some
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  unbelievable right acts. So yeah, it wasn't #1 but it was
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  great. It was amazing.
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  Loved. It so So who's in the mix with
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  the? Where was it?
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  Was it Manchester? No Wembley, Wembley, Great venue
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  was absolutely packed. Everyone was having a great
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  time. I enjoy, I even enjoyed Richard
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  Ashcroft. That was that was good.
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  He was really good. Yeah, he's really good.
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  Played all the classic verb stuff, but it's good memories
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  for me as well. And yeah, everything ran bang on
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  time. Yeah, Liam, top form.
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  Yeah, it was really good. Did you see your races in the
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  90s? Oh no.
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  So yeah, that probably is like peak, right.
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  So yeah, but there was it was still great.
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  It was really good set list. I would have had slightly
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  different and it was really interesting experiencing certain
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  tracks live versus a recording. Like certain stuff came off
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  better than others. Like which tracks?
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  So for example, you always go on about cigarettes and alcohol and
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  I'm like, oh, live. It was unbelievable.
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  Everyone was going nuts. It was really, really good.
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  And then some of the stuff like for example, Knoll by himself, I
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  don't think in a stadium is that great.
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  I was like, oh, I love Master Plan, but this is boring.
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  It's just it's like, you know, it's not that good in a stadium
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  setting, right? While I remember when I first
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  heard Master Plan was the live was MTV Unplugged, which is like
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  thinking like 96 something like that where it was like it's in a
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  small venue and and it's different, right.
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  So the Knoll bit with Talk tonight and half the world away
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  was like it was all right, but it was felt like a bit of an
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  interluded break. Yeah, yeah, I think that's what
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  it is because that's before the like the the kind of the big
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  songs, right. I think they he does Knowles bit
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  and Liam has a bit of a break before they do like live
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  forever. So it felt like, Oh yeah, this
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  is like a bit of a break in the middle of the actual gig.
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  Liam's the man. Like he's, he's, he makes it.
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  What are you saying? It's not even in your top three,
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  your top five concerts of all the time.
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  Oh, good question. So for me, the the best I've
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  ever seen is print, and I don't think anyone will ever match
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  print. Oh, you and my dad's good books
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  for saying that. Yeah, he.
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  He's old. He's a.
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  Dinosaur, right? I am a dinosaur, yeah, but yeah,
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  so Prince at the Hammersmith Apollo, I saw him.
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  That was just an intent and insane such.
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  As venue as. Well yeah, insane.
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  I saw him as well at the O2. But my old man's were there too.
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  Yeah, yeah. There you go.
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  I can't ask him about that. Bangs on it.
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  He always bangs on about it. Ask him about it because it was
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  like he went on for like 4 hours.
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  Yeah. Yeah, yeah, He played every
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  instrument, everything. All the instruments, yeah.
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  It was just like, unbelievable. Like you're just wasn't sticking
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  there. Just jaw drops, right?
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  I'll better go get it now. So they bought him that for hey
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  to take the piss for his. I love that.
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  Birthday. You brought my life side prints
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  cardboard. Right.
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  Just just leave that and shot and you talk over the top of it.
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  Better sight. Let's kick it off.
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  I'm Steve and I'm joined by Ash, us coach Raj, one of our season
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  ticket holders at Manchester United and we have produced a
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  kids on today as well. What special treat And the
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  reason we have kids on today is because he was at the Brentford
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  Manchester United game with Ash and Ron and Jay actually in the
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  away end as well. But kids, we thought we'd get
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  you on. I believe it might be and Leo,
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  of course, yes, shout out to Leo the main man.
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  But kids, we had to get you 1, I believe.
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  Is it your first game at a first time at a football game?
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  Is that right? Yeah, do you know what?
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  First proper Premiership game. I don't know if Sunday league
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  counts. But wait, are you are you
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  saying? If your brother was there, no.
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  I used to know but you're saying the weekend was Sunday league
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  level or? Well, that's what I was about to
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  say. I was like, I've been to Sunday
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  League games, but was this the same and how they played?
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  But yeah, do you know what? As an atmosphere and stuff like,
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  I think Ash was even saying it was proper civilised, wouldn't
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  it? And it was like the atmosphere
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  and it was quite a nice stadium. That's the aesthetics done.
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  Do you want me to go into it? Yeah, tell us, tell us about
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  your experience. What do you make of the game?
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  Look, I'm going to say this, right?
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  I don't know about X GS, I don't know about formations.
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  I can't chat shit about like stats and percentages and all of
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  this bullshit, right? But what I do know is what I saw
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  was like, like this defeatist mentality.
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  Arguably this is like the biggest tea club in the world,
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  right? And they were playing like
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  amateurs, IE Sunday league, right?
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  I, I thought, and again, correct me if I'm wrong again, I'm not,
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  I'm, I'm a couch fan, right? I, I, I like football and I like
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  watching it. And I have been following United
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  for since that Wimbledon goal by Beckham, right?
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  But what I found was like, honestly, like United, like
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  Manchester United, the biggest club in the world, right?
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  Always playing. They they were always chasing,
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  always the underdogs. It was like Mighty Ducks.
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  Do you know what I mean? But they weren't winning or like
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  there was no glimpse of that. And I think, I don't know,
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  correct me if I'm wrong again. I, I, you know, I'll throw it
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  over to you guys. But it always seemed like United
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  were on the back four. They were getting exploited.
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  Oh, you got bloody Reuben. Stubborn as shit, like always
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  stubborn. He's got this dictatorial
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  approach. He's not moving.
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  He's not going to like quiver on any of his kind of E formations
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  and all this bollocks. There's that phrase, isn't
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  there? If it ain't broke, don't fix it.
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  But it's been broke for a long time, right?
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  And in. My do fix it.
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  Like do fix it. But like, in my opinion, it's
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  like it was ludicrous. Like, this is Manchester United,
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  right? It was ludicrous.
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  You have to do that in the garage.
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  Get out the way. Get out the way, bitch.
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  Get out the way like Reuben needs to get out of the way.
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  Oh yeah, during the game, you, you said that right?
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  You were like bruv Ruben out. This is just shite.
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  It was like wasting your time on a Saturday afternoon.
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  Like seriously? And do you remember like we
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  started this pod like way back when he just got appointed and
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  we were all like, OK, you know, I was as well.
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  Like, you know, let's see how it let's tell how he does.
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  It's only a new guy, blah, blah, blah, all of that kind of thing.
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  He's. Got the bomber jacket you know
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  he's got. The bomber Jammy jacket.
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  He's got a bit of a beard. He looks.
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  Like a boss. Montclair.
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  Yeah. He looks like one of the man.
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  Damn, you know what I mean. All of that kind of thing.
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  But seriously, I think do you know what this guy, you know, he
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  could be on Wolf of Wall Street like he, he could talk and
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  that's why he's still in the job in my opinion.
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  I don't know, passionate, but I was just watching something
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  earlier and he's got one of the worst records as a as a
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  Premiership manager in history. Yeah, I think it's, I think it,
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  I think it was on Monday Night Football tonight.
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  There's a graphic and it's like worst Premier League
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  performances within the 33 games and I think we've got the likes
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  of I was the Blackburn manager back in the day, bald guy.
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  Steve Keane. Steve Keane, yeah.
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  And I think. Reuben's like.
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  Is it like fourth worst ever something?
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  Like that, yes, something like that.
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  And I'm just like baffled and like, OK, let's talk a little
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  bit outside the passion and a bit business now, like you've
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  got all the big dogs. What's his name?
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  Well, Bell staff guy, what's his name?
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  Is it Bell staff? The guy who bought United
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  recently? Oh, Jim Ratcliffe, Jim.
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  Ratcliffe, I think he owned Bell stuff.
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  Is that or am I just? Chest belt?
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  No no what is bell stuff? No any I sport them.
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  Yeah. Oh, no.
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  Any I sold them. Any I sold them what?
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  Is what's Bell stuff? Clothing Clothing company like
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  a. Sport, any us are involved or
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  they financed it or something. I know nothing about.
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  Clothing they sold it to they sold it.
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  Was Ambassador. Come on now guys.
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  I can't afford it then, clearly. They made money on it.
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  Yeah, they made money on it. Anyway, but like so Ratcliffe, I
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  think like when you talk in my head, like again, please correct
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  me if I'm wrong, guys like you know a bit more than me
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  business, right. I think if they're hitting their
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  margin, hitting break even, profitability, all of that shit
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  and we can't make a loss on him. It's like business.
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  It's numbers, it's integers, whatever you want to call it.
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  That's why they're keeping him on.
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  There's rumours. Oh has you know, he's they've
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  said absolute no. And there's also rumours about
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  Southgate and the others. In my opinion, as again, couch
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  fan, I'm like, get Pochettino in man.
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  That's who you wanted. I'm a big Poch fan, but yeah,
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  over to you guys. I don't know, this is just me
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  from, as I say, a couch potato fan.
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  I need to hear from. Yeah, Coach Raj, you tell us
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  what, what? What do you think of based on
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  what kids are? Saying, yeah, look, I think the
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  performances have just been lacklustre.
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  I just don't see how anyone come back him and his way of playing
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  because people say, oh, he's got to start a play, but what is it
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  that he's always got a formation.
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  So so we know his formation. That means say in six games
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  time, whoever we're playing, because I don't know if we're
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  playing in six games time. But that team and that manager
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  knows exactly how we're going to set up.
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  Maybe he'll change a couple of players, but they know the set
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  up and they know that. Therefore they not kind of know
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  how we're going to play football.
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  If you're a Man United Football Manager, you're going to play so
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  many different teams within a season.
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  Well you hope to, we're not in Europe, so you're going to play,
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  we're going to play the same 18 teams twice, 19 teams should I
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  say twice, right. They know how we're going to
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  play. If you watch the other teams
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  that are doing well, they yes, they have a start of play, but
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  aren't they adaptable? Don't they adapt certain ways
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  when they play? So like for example, Brentford,
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  they have been a good side for a couple of seasons about a decent
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  side that they were much better than us at the weekend.
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  But I don't see them playing that way again, say if they
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  played Liverpool or if they played Arsenal.
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  I can't see them playing this exactly the same way.
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  I think he's just like, like he said, he's just been so stubborn
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  and then he's he's completely put himself in a situation now
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  where he can't backtrack because he said, no, I'm not, I'm going
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  to stick to it. Whereas if he said, look, if it
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  doesn't quite work, I might be able to change it, blah, blah,
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  blah. But he hasn't.
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  The only thing that anything reasonably.
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  Funny. In the last couple of weeks he's
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  slightly tweaked his like communication and he's starting
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  to say like I will, I will change when I want to change and
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  I may adapt it like he's he's softening.
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  His is that because of what's come out in the media?
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  Like I saw something today, I don't know where I saw it, where
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  the the hierarchy said Ruben lasted inter formation.
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  Apparently. If that's right, then then like
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  the club is a shambles as it is. But how is then the hierarchy
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  telling the manager this is how you should play football?
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  You've hired the manager to say look, sort the team out and
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  we'll sort the the back, the backroom out.
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  Can I just say then telling him how to play football, then
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  really the managers definitely in the shit.
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  If you're having to tell the manager how to set up a team,
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  it's really 'cause like the manager finds someone else.
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  Well, you do know Jason Wilcox won the FA Cup final for 10 Arg,
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  right? Because.
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  Just to clarify, we don't. We don't know if this rumour is
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  true, but yeah kids, go on. No, I was going to say, can I
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  just like he just needs to swallow his pride and ego and
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  just like just like I know United brand and I know him and
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  everything, but he just needs to like just win and he he needs to
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  adapt and be like, all right. I think there's I think I think
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  people would respect him more if he said all right, shit, I
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  messed that up. OK, I might need to change it a
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  little bit now. Stick a little bit of 442.
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  But that's that's what I'm saying because he needs to fight
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  he but I feel like it's too late now because I'd like in my.
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  House never too late. Is that OK?
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  It's never too late. But 2-3 weeks ago I was done
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  with the guy. Yeah, 2-3 weeks ago.
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  It wasn't like at the start of the sea at the end of the last
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  season when we lost the Tottenham New Year.
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  You have pretty finals. Like he has to have a good start
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  here. If he doesn't have a good start
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  to the season after 4-5 games, I'm done.
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  After 4/4, after 4-5 games, what improvement did we see?
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  And everyone was talking about this transfer window we had.
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  And I was like, what transfer window?
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  Don't forget, don't forget we beat Arsenal next year as well.
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  But no, but like, but what transfer window did we have?
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  Like we got in Bremo, but then I looked at in Bremo's last five
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  years because all of a sudden he's a good player because he
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  had one good season for fucking Brentford.
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  I did that as. Well, you're, you're supposed to
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  be playing for Monday Night Football Club, going from
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  Brentford to Monday Night Football Club.
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  You know, he's got twenty goals or something in one year.
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  If you look at the last five years, five years ago in the
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  championship, I think he's got 2.
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  So after the Europa final, after the Europa League final, I gave
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  him, I just, I just gave him like a slide.
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  I was like, it is what it is. We had a crap season, players
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  low and confident. The game was complete trash.
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  But I felt like other managers in the past that we've had, that
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  I've all got sacked, might have actually genuinely found a way
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  to win that final. Yeah, do you know what?
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  To be fair. He didn't.
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  Ash, Ash, I think I was telling you this on the game for me when
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  I was watching like the game live the live I found Mbuemmo or
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  I'm Boomu or I don't. Know.
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  Oh yeah. None of us know.
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  Yeah, but I. Found it's not in Boomi, it's
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  something I'm back to you in Buemmo.
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  Like I used to call him Bryan. It's kinder Wermo anyway, John,
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  he I thought on the pin, the Bruno, I think on the pit.
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  I felt like he he was like the best in moving and stuff, but
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  the ball wasn't really going to him.
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  Again, I'm not an expert, right? But just to ask you guys one
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  thing, I think United are 15th in the league currently.
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  They're sandwiched and sat surrounded by Spurs, West Ham,
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  Wolves. Correct me if I'm wrong.
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  Probably. But wolves will be bottom at one
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  point. I know because it is the first
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  point. And correct me if I'm wrong
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  here, all of the other managers have lost their games and
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  they've been replaced already or sacked and whatnot.
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  And Reuben still like something still standing.
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  We are. We are.
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  We're ahead of Newcastle. Who?
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  Yeah. There's been there's been one
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  manager that's been sacked so far this season.
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  That's Graham Potter, which happened just just on the
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  weekend, right, And that's at West Ham.
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  It's funny because we've started this pod, right?
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  And we've not even talked about the game.
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  We've gone straight into Ruben. So as tell us about the game.
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  You were obviously going to see Oasis that night and I think you
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  dropped a message in the group on the Friday and you said, I
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  hope I'm going to Oasis in a good mood.
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  So unfortunately the boys can deliver that for you.
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  Did you watch the game? Like, how did you think we
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  played? I did, yeah.
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  Terrible. Yeah.
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  It was a shocking performance. I actually feel that slightly
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  different from Raj and I feel ignoring the Grimsby game, which
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  was utterly shocking. The rest of the time I felt I
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  felt that the team looked like it had taken a bit more of a
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  positive step. They were more on the front
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  foot, pressing high, being aggressive, not getting the luck
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  we deserved. Didn't see any of that in the
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  Brentford game. We look passive.
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  It look, you know, like a 12:30 in the morning where you've just
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  kind of rolled out of bed and you kind of haven't had your
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  coffee yet. Need to get your shower in, get
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  your morning routine done, get your coffee and then you can
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  start doing things. It felt like they hadn't done
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  their morning routine or had their cup of coffee.
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  They just look sleepy. Second to everything, Brentford
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  were more physical that we played into their hands.
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  I thought they were excellent. The the the the first goal was
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  just like, what is what is going on here?
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  It was a bit unlucky. But you know, but you know, when
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  you go Brentford away, even forget about the 12:30 kick off
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  on the Saturday, like we it's, it's that fame.
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  It's the thing now, isn't it? 12:30 on a Saturday and you're
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  playing away from home. The big sides are, oh, that's
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  the one you're going to lose. But don't you feel like you kind
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  of knew what Brentford were going to do?
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  Like 100% that was the. Thing.
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  So why aren't they prepared for that?
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  Percent it was that's. The thing surely, surely like if
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  you, if I'm not a football expert, but if you're looking
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  for your fixtures and you go what, Brentford away, that's how
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  we're going to play against them.
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  You could like, say, even if it's 20 games into the season,
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  you know how you're going to surely you should have a plan
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  against Brentford away. But it's the same, it's been the
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  same thing for weeks and weeks. And so they they knew what they
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  were going to do and. That's one thing, one I'd say I
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  disagree with you, Raj on on that, right, in that if you look
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  at you, we said look at the top clubs and then you mentioned
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  Brentford. I look at the, for me, the top
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  clubs are Arsenal. Arsenal play the same way all
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  the time. Manchester City, they play the
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  same way all the time. Liverpool play the same way.
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  But that way is successful and it works.
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  We play the same way and it doesn't work.
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  So I don't think it's a necessarily playing the same way
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  as a bad thing. I think at a top club you have a
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  style, you have an idea and you implement it, but it's
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  successful and the issue is. But Arteta, Arteta has kind of
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  changed, no over the like the way he first started when he was
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  trying to challenge City compared to now.
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  Like Ivan calls them a set piece team I've over the last few
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  years, but they didn't start like that when Arteta first
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  joined. I would say.
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  Teams become a lot more physical now than when they started.
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  With that, I agree on that. I think that and even the
• 19:26
  beginning of the season they seem to be potentially adapting
• 19:29
  a little bit. But generally speaking, you
• 19:33
  would think a good Arsenal team and we can talk Arsenal,
• 19:36
  Newcastle want to keep the ball, possess the ball, play through
• 19:39
  the lines right and then also you set pieces as a weapon.
• 19:43
  They everyone says, oh, Ruben won't change his formation.
• 19:46
  Well, generally speaking, Arsenal player 433 so so to
• 19:51
  Liverpool. We don't expect them to go to a
• 19:53
  back three formation, right? You don't.
• 19:55
  Hold on. Hold on, there's a there's a way
• 19:57
  we want to play, but let's just talk about the way we did play
• 20:00
  Ash. Tell me about.
• 20:01
  That's the. Issue I.
• 20:02
  Want to hear about those terrible these, those first two
• 20:05
  goals we conceded? Talk to me.
• 20:07
  What to say about the first one? I, I, I put my head down for a
• 20:11
  second and then all of a sudden they're centre forwards running
• 20:14
  free on goal. Credit for the finish.
• 20:16
  Fantastic finish. But I don't know, first of all,
• 20:20
  what the goalkeepers doing. Like the goal's probably going
• 20:23
  to go in regardless, but to not come out and close the angle.
• 20:27
  Steve, you're the goalkeeper expert in the group.
• 20:29
  And it's like, I don't know. I don't know what you're doing.
• 20:31
  Well, I always thought coming out and closing the angle is
• 20:35
  what you do until us once told me.
• 20:38
  The data apparently says you don't always come off the line
• 20:41
  apparently. No, no, no, no, no.
• 20:42
  So OK, this is what you're No, no, no, no.
• 20:45
  It's a good point because we actually had this discussion
• 20:47
  maybe two years ago. And my point was, Oh no, what?
• 20:50
  You don't. There's two things.
• 20:52
  Firstly, that where he's made a mistake.
• 20:55
  One is actually you're supposed to be sweeping up.
• 20:57
  So the whole the, the Sanchez mistake against Chelsea,
• 21:02
  theoretically it's the right thing to do.
• 21:04
  The goalkeeper should should have been able to be way out of
• 21:07
  his penalty box. Like David Raya would have been
• 21:09
  there and just swept that up, right?
• 21:11
  So that was mistake number one. Mistake number 2 is let's say
• 21:15
  you've now not done that. So you've got to challenge the
• 21:18
  shot. You shouldn't come too early.
• 21:21
  So what you're supposed to do is you wait and then and then at
• 21:24
  the right moment, you do come out to close the angle.
• 21:27
  What he does is he waits and he stays there forever.
• 21:30
  And that that was like, what are you doing?
• 21:33
  It was bizarre. It was bizarre.
• 21:35
  It was like, and I mean to be fair, like it was a great
• 21:39
  finish, but it was also a bit of a shanked finish that went.
• 21:42
  But is it? But did he think it was off?
• 21:44
  Did he think it was offside? And you know, like when the
• 21:46
  pressures off and you can just hit those, like it felt like
• 21:48
  that and then it wasn't off. He just, he just whacked it and,
• 21:51
  and it went in and it was just like, wow.
• 21:53
  On the on the replay, you can see if he if he was further out,
• 21:58
  there was a point where he could have got it.
• 22:00
  Like I said, the the bigger mistake is obviously Harry
• 22:03
  McGuire. I don't know what the fuck he's
• 22:05
  playing at. Like literally like he's.
• 22:08
  The first, the first one that came off the inside of the post.
• 22:11
  Yeah, yeah, top left, but. It was the long, long time,
• 22:13
  right? Look, the keeper could have done
• 22:15
  more but I feel like that was a good strike.
• 22:18
  It's a good. Strike, I did say, I did say it
• 22:20
  was a good strike, but the goal, just saying the goalkeeper, but
• 22:23
  then Harry McGuire, he's got to be called out for that because
• 22:26
  that is just lazy shite defending.
• 22:29
  He stepped up, didn't he? He played the offside trap.
• 22:31
  He's. He's in his own half though, so
• 22:34
  as a defender. It's come down to the system,
• 22:36
  though. Doesn't that come down to like
• 22:37
  wave players on the pitch? Well, I I made this point they.
• 22:40
  Always have to take responsibility has.
• 22:42
  Yeah, of course, of course. I made this point either last
• 22:44
  week or the week before. To us, the system like
• 22:49
  influences player decision making.
• 22:51
  So there is there is probably an element of that because like
• 22:54
  he's probably being told by Reuben to push up and squeeze.
• 22:57
  It's not Mcguire's game though and you just saw him caught in
• 23:01
  two minds. But he's got to be better
• 23:03
  because he's a leader in that team.
• 23:06
  He's the main centre back and he's in his own half.
• 23:09
  It's it's rule 101. As a centre back, you're in your
• 23:12
  own half. You don't push.
• 23:13
  He pushes, it's in. No, no, no.
• 23:16
  To be fair, you do, because. No, he doesn't because like the
• 23:19
  striker is in, is in our in our half and he can see that you can
• 23:23
  see in the. In our half.
• 23:26
  He can see in our sorry, in he's in their half.
• 23:29
  He can see. He can see everything like he
• 23:32
  should. He should have known what?
• 23:33
  To do the strikers in our half, he would have been offside.
• 23:35
  If if McGuire had pushed up high enough or quicker, he would have
• 23:38
  been offside. He doesn't know how to squeeze
• 23:40
  those, you know. That no, no, no, that's where I.
• 23:43
  Argument about it. It's not an argument.
• 23:45
  That's where I'm agreeing with you in that actually, no, he
• 23:48
  does the right thing, but he's too late.
• 23:50
  He's a second too late. And that's his mistake.
• 23:52
  He, he hesitated. McGuire hesitated.
• 23:55
  And that hesitation, he played the player on side.
• 23:58
  Steve, I don't know how well this is going to come across on
• 24:01
  YouTube, but we took loads of pictures because obviously
• 24:06
  there's been a lot of talk. And what I'm trying to describe
• 24:08
  here is particularly, as has been mentioned in this, we play
• 24:13
  a back three. Brentford have the ball on the
• 24:15
  halfway line many occasions, wing back, centre back, centre
• 24:21
  back, centre back, wingback, back five.
• 24:24
  That was happening multiple times.
• 24:27
  And that's not the first game that I've seen it on TV Went to
• 24:30
  the Arsenal game. That was probably the only game
• 24:34
  where I've seen live. We didn't actually do that when
• 24:39
  the opposition have got the ball.
• 24:40
  And the problem is then we got outnumbered in midfield, Steve.
• 24:44
  So that's the that's the bigger issue, right?
• 24:46
  We've talked about this multiple times, like look, everyone can
• 24:49
  keep on blaming Bruno. I I do have some sympathy for
• 24:53
  him because it's not his position.
• 24:54
  But yeah, you got two players in the middle.
• 24:57
  All Brentford need to do is either you ping the full backs,
• 25:01
  which they weren't actually doing because they didn't need
• 25:03
  to, because the wing backs were just dropping into a 5, or you
• 25:06
  do what Grimsby did, a man mark and then you can pin them back.
• 25:10
  So it was a shambles from start to finish.
• 25:14
  I do want to just touch on the penalty because other people
• 25:16
  have have spoken about it. Definitely a right car before.
• 25:19
  Before you, before you do that though, the second goal like you
• 25:22
  know. Oh, it was shocking.
• 25:24
  He let it in. The keeper was terrible.
• 25:28
  Keeper have done better there do we think?
• 25:30
  The goalkeeper should have done better team but we know that on
• 25:33
  the transfer. Window.
• 25:35
  Yeah, Fairpoint. No, no, but you have a
• 25:37
  goalkeeper. I don't understand what why
• 25:40
  people like when the season started, how people think we had
• 25:43
  a successful transfer window. No, but no, I was listening to
• 25:46
  even people on talk Sport and like the I'm listening to this.
• 25:52
  Where are they coming from? Why do they think all of a
• 25:54
  sudden we. Think coach we have we have a
• 25:56
  new, we have a new goalkeeper. He's not starting him.
• 25:59
  But here's a question for you, Raj.
• 26:00
  Then, because this is a fairpoint, do you therefore
• 26:03
  think Ruben's been let down and therefore it's not his fault
• 26:06
  because he doesn't have? Ammunition.
• 26:08
  Oh, yeah. But yeah, yes, to an extent.
• 26:10
  But I don't know what he wanted because, because if he's asked
• 26:14
  for certain position, like plays in certain positions, Yeah,
• 26:18
  right. I don't know what he wanted.
• 26:19
  Does anyone know what he asked for if he's asked for?
• 26:22
  I need a centre forward, I need a number 10 and I need some
• 26:27
  wingbacks. He asked for two 10's and a
• 26:29
  centre forward. The only thing he didn't get
• 26:31
  this window was a number six. Well, we did ask because he
• 26:33
  spent the budget. But then also.
• 26:35
  But then hasn't he asked for the wrong positions?
• 26:37
  Because why did we need a number?
• 26:38
  10 when we got blown his budget on the wrong arrow, so he
• 26:40
  wanted. Bruno to then drop into the
• 26:42
  position that he's playing now, yeah.
• 26:45
  He wanted. He wanted.
• 26:46
  Then he just fault that's the compromise he made apparently.
• 26:49
  But just let's just wrap up the game and then get back into the
• 26:52
  juicy stuff, right. So the second goal for Brentford
• 26:55
  we, you know, shambles right by and they should have done
• 26:58
  better, you know, parry out further.
• 27:01
  They should do better, Steve, but to be fair to the keeper, he
• 27:05
  is what he is. He's never going to be a well
• 27:08
  beater, right? Yeah.
• 27:09
  So I don't really blame him. He I agree right on the
• 27:12
  goalkeeper. I think I think that's the
• 27:14
  better point is why is Binder playing for us?
• 27:16
  Like you know, I think it's actually a bit unfair to blame
• 27:19
  him for multiple goals when we we all know he's not competent
• 27:22
  to be united #1 right? So if.
• 27:25
  You're going to start like going back to the Arsenal game in the
• 27:27
  FA Cup, everyone's looking back at like, oh, I made like 15
• 27:30
  saves. I was, I was at the game anyway.
• 27:32
  And he made and unbelievable amount of stage when we went
• 27:37
  down to 10 men save, saved a few pens and everyone and then they
• 27:40
  thought oh we've got a keeper, we don't need an honour anymore
• 27:43
  if your finger pointing and it clearly wasn't good enough.
• 27:47
  Yeah, if your finger pointing, especially being live at the
• 27:50
  game, I think kids will agree with me.
• 27:52
  Certainly Ron will agree with me.
• 27:54
  Dallow is the biggest bluffer. 100.
• 27:58
  Percent. The biggest?
• 27:59
  Bluffer if there's if there's one reason, reason for for me to
• 28:03
  basically say amber him out is how many times you keep bloody
• 28:06
  playing Dallow. I'm just bored of it now.
• 28:08
  But as it's not, you know, the, the, the, the positional play
• 28:12
  and all that stuff is one thing, right?
• 28:13
  This guy, I don't care if this ends up being a meme, the guy
• 28:18
  he, he, he kisses the badge, he bumps the he bumps the badge,
• 28:23
  and then he just makes the most apoplectic mistakes you'll ever
• 28:27
  see on a football pitch from a full back.
• 28:29
  It's like they should remove the number 2 shirt from his back
• 28:32
  because it's embarrassing to the I.
• 28:34
  Saw the clip, where is there a clip going around on Twitter
• 28:37
  where he's like running centrally on the pitch and then
• 28:40
  the Brentford winger, he's like running away from the attacker
• 28:43
  and it's like what is that? What is that?
• 28:47
  And there's, it's just so many players.
• 28:49
  Is that is that a sign? Of how he's not the only one.
• 28:53
  No, that's what just said, is it?
• 28:54
  Is that a sign of how? Confused.
• 28:56
  The player is, but he will always let you down eventually.
• 28:59
  This is the point, right? Like you.
• 29:01
  You look at 10 games, he will let you down in six to seven.
• 29:04
  It's not good enough for Manchester United.
• 29:06
  Let's take rid. Let's take a step back in
• 29:08
  analysing this game. I was worried when the team
• 29:11
  sheet came out, so I looked at that.
• 29:13
  I'm like, not again, Dalo Dalo week.
• 29:17
  No, because before the team. When does he?
• 29:21
  Like I was positive. I was actually positive.
• 29:23
  What was it about the team sheet as?
• 29:25
  I was positive going into the game.
• 29:27
  I was thinking I would just beat Chelsea.
• 29:29
  Now let's do Brentford and we got Sundance.
• 29:31
  I was actually optimistic. Then I saw the team sheet.
• 29:33
  I'm like, oh, not Dallow again as a wink, but Dallow and Dorgu
• 29:36
  back five. Who got a back six against
• 29:39
  Brentford. What are you doing?
• 29:41
  As What was the word I used a few weeks ago about Dallow for
• 29:44
  Ruben Lee, his lead tenant was. He's part of, is he part of the
• 29:47
  leadership group? I can't remember.
• 29:49
  I don't actually think he is. And you know what?
• 29:51
  I I heard talk of the devils. I think they were speaking about
• 29:54
  this a couple weeks. I couldn't give a fuck about
• 29:56
  that leadership group. It's like, just shut up.
• 29:59
  About a leadership group, the 15th.
• 30:01
  Yeah. So yeah.
• 30:03
  And he's not the only one. Yeah.
• 30:05
  You can't go to Brett playing Brent for the team I had
• 30:08
  somewhere as a relegation threat and play 6 defensive players.
• 30:12
  It's just like I looked at them like what?
• 30:13
  Ruben, come on, of all the gate we had this Cobby mainly
• 30:16
  discussion. I'm like, yeah, but you know,
• 30:18
  against the big teams, I get it, like you're going to be on the
• 30:20
  back foot. But come on, it's Brentford.
• 30:23
  You've got to take it, take it to them.
• 30:25
  Ahmad was out, so fair enough. Maybe you have you know, but do
• 30:29
  something. Maybe put and Boomer as a wing
• 30:31
  back, right? Put Mainu into it, then became,
• 30:34
  yeah, we we, we let them play. Want to play.
• 30:38
  It became like, it's felt like, oh, you know what, let's compete
• 30:41
  with Brentford and long throws because that's Dallas.
• 30:43
  Yeah, so like we we end up to two nil down, right.
• 30:46
  I guess like Cesco getting off the mark, you know, some good
• 30:49
  news, bit of a scrappy goal, but you take it, you get back in the
• 30:52
  game and then Ash, you were going to talk about the penalty,
• 30:55
  right? And, you know, potential red
• 30:56
  card. Yeah, I mean live it obviously
• 31:02
  definite penalty, Obviously didn't have the benefit of the
• 31:05
  replay, but obviously watched it after the game.
• 31:08
  I mean, if that is not denying a goal scoring opportunity, I
• 31:11
  don't know what is. I saw the tweet from the Premier
• 31:14
  League about not having control of the ball.
• 31:17
  Well, that's because he's bloody being fouled like.
• 31:19
  Otherwise he's either. Having control of the ball, it's
• 31:23
  literally coming into his path. He's going to have control of
• 31:27
  the ball if the guy doesn't pull him back.
• 31:29
  Well, have you? Seen.
• 31:30
  Was that their? Was that their excuse for not
• 31:31
  giving a rest? That mistake I've ever heard.
• 31:33
  Honestly there, there's a tweet from the Premier League on the
• 31:36
  night. So there's a guy running through
• 31:38
  and then I just kick him from behind, but he doesn't have
• 31:41
  control of the ball. That's not denying a goal
• 31:43
  scoring opportunity. And Steve, right today, just
• 31:47
  because I had the TV on both spectrums in terms of the centre
• 31:50
  forward, Alan Shearer, J Boffroyd, if you remember it.
• 31:56
  And it's just like. Scraping the barrels.
• 31:59
  But it's like, well, he was on ref watch with Dermot Gallagher
• 32:02
  fucking and you need to get. Some better things on your TV
• 32:04
  please. Tell.
• 32:06
  Me. Please tell me, just don't tell
• 32:08
  me Dermot agreed with the var on.
• 32:10
  That no, no, thank God he didn't.
• 32:12
  He's still trying to be. No wonder.
• 32:14
  I actually sitting in a dark room.
• 32:15
  He's still trying to. He's still trying to to be a
• 32:19
  referee and trying to be passive and like almost like doesn't
• 32:22
  want to put his mate under the you.
• 32:24
  Know, you know, I think I think that was actually they fucked up
• 32:27
  on the rules because, you know, that tweet you mentioned Ash
• 32:29
  where they talked about him not being in control.
• 32:32
  That tweet has been community noted on X where this is where
• 32:35
  you can kind of call out fake news, right?
• 32:37
  And they've linked it to the is it the IFAB rules, the official
• 32:40
  rules of football where it specifically states, you know,
• 32:44
  you don't have to be, you don't have to kind of have the ball to
• 32:47
  be in control. And it's based actually been
• 32:49
  called out with the official rules.
• 32:51
  So that was wrong. So.
• 32:52
  Yeah, one, one element on the control thing and I look, I'm
• 32:56
  not defending the rule obviously, right, because I've
• 32:58
  just said it's a red card. But I think also what they mean
• 33:01
  by control is, you know, he he's not had the ball yet.
• 33:08
  Therefore you can't have the control.
• 33:11
  But yeah, it's a pathetic excuse.
• 33:13
  I think it's wrong as in like they just got it wrong
• 33:15
  basically. Really simple, through balls
• 33:17
  played and I take someone out, I haven't touched the ball but
• 33:20
  it's a through ball and I'm going to go through on the
• 33:22
  goalkeeper. Yeah, that's a goal scoring
• 33:24
  opportunity. That's a clear red card.
• 33:25
  You're in control even though you're not with the ball right?
• 33:27
  But you know, so that happened and then kids, your first game,
• 33:31
  man Bruno Fernandez is stepping up.
• 33:33
  You think we're going to get it to two all Bruno's never let
• 33:36
  very rarely lets us down. What you thinking when he's
• 33:39
  stepping up for with the pen? Awful, awful penalty.
• 33:42
  I think I did it with my left. Foot and I'm did you think he
• 33:45
  was going to school kids, I've been just I never I didn't.
• 33:47
  I didn't. I thought he bottled it.
• 33:49
  So I. Thought he bottled it the moment
• 33:52
  he grabbed it. I swear to God I was the.
• 33:54
  Body language. Body language.
• 33:55
  Yeah, all of that. I just I'm going on.
• 33:58
  Banging on about it on the commentary because so I had my
• 34:01
  phone was working and they were banging on about how long it was
• 34:05
  taking for VAR. Oh yeah, Stack.
• 34:07
  So yeah. And I was like, I was like,
• 34:09
  yeah, it had put more pressure on him, but I still back Bruno.
• 34:13
  Yeah, I didn't think he's a premier then.
• 34:15
  Then commentary was building up and building up.
• 34:17
  I was like these are one. Of them, yeah.
• 34:18
  No, that's fuckers. Go by, he's going to miss now.
• 34:21
  I was going to say he's a premiership Man United like
• 34:24
  international, like captain in op score pressure is nothing for
• 34:28
  for these well should be right, but but they should be used to
• 34:32
  this. This is like Brentford.
• 34:35
  I'm sorry, but whack it in like. No, but there.
• 34:39
  Was a passive. You know what, taken as is word,
• 34:42
  is a passive penalty? Yeah.
• 34:44
  It didn't sound like a normal Bruno penalty.
• 34:46
  I, I think this is an indication of the level of stress the team
• 34:50
  is under. Oh great, because it's it it's
• 34:53
  it was a the the what the circumstance that we're in.
• 34:57
  Everyone can feel how important this is that if he scores this,
• 35:01
  it's game changing for the mat. It's like pivotal Steve's
• 35:04
  favourite word. Well, if it was just a normal
• 35:06
  penalty. And that's what I think the the
• 35:09
  issue came and I think it's it's got to the players.
• 35:11
  And this is where why I was saying a couple of weeks ago, I
• 35:14
  think Ameren's done because that pressures there that needs a
• 35:19
  needs a release valve somewhere. And the release valve is ideally
• 35:22
  winds, right? But without winds, the pressure
• 35:25
  builds and then all those moments where where you're
• 35:28
  trying to execute, it's too much for you it.
• 35:31
  Was a wet. Are you officially?
• 35:33
  Are you officially? I'm in and out now as well.
• 35:36
  Hold on before before we get into that, let's just wrap the
• 35:39
  game up and then it's a school night for kids as well.
• 35:41
  So we'll, we'll let him drop off in a minute.
• 35:44
  But if he scores, that's 22, right?
• 35:46
  Well. That's the thing, isn't?
• 35:47
  It and the game's on because we had 8 minutes plus on extra time
• 35:50
  as. Well, this guy's life is full of
• 35:52
  sliding doors moments, right? And he didn't score and Ash, the
• 35:56
  third goal. What you thinking when the
• 35:59
  players clean through? You're thinking about doing this
• 36:03
  pod on Monday, having to talk about it.
• 36:06
  Well, the the ball went in and I was just like, wow, that's a
• 36:09
  heck of a strike because because we were, you know, like front
• 36:13
  on. So like we had a flat view of
• 36:14
  it. And then again, I saw it on
• 36:16
  Match of the Day. It was a good strike.
• 36:19
  But I'm wondering what's the goalkeeper done there?
• 36:22
  Because he's like just like I just, yeah, like I said, good
• 36:28
  strike. And I've got to say credit to
• 36:30
  Brentford, right? Because they had a game plan,
• 36:33
  they stuck to it. And also Keith Andrews, right?
• 36:36
  He is damn new to managing and he schooled Rebo Reuben like
• 36:43
  easy. He will have much, he will have
• 36:46
  much easier games, you know, to deal with.
• 36:51
  And like this one, that was playground stuff for him.
• 36:54
  Like he he got his tactics spot on.
• 36:56
  So let me let me give kids closing remarks then before you,
• 36:59
  before you drop off. Yeah.
• 37:01
  Thank you. Can I just ask you just a very
• 37:03
  quick question and I'll leave on this account.
• 37:06
  Do you think a different manager with the same formation could do
• 37:09
  a better job? With the same formation, so
• 37:12
  that's interesting because the the favourite for the job is
• 37:15
  Glasner at Palace and he also plays three at the back.
• 37:18
  So it's an interesting question. I personally think these players
• 37:24
  will struggle just because I know even though it's the same
• 37:28
  formation, it's it's very different according to the
• 37:30
  tactics experts and I'm not one, but I just think these players
• 37:34
  any excuse to kind of get confused, they'll take it.
• 37:37
  I just, I just don't. I just think like even you can
• 37:41
  say it's a different version of the formation.
• 37:43
  I personally don't think it would work.
• 37:44
  I'm going to go back to the bigger issue is if you put those
• 37:47
  six players that I discussed on a football field in any kind of
• 37:51
  framework, they're going to struggle because there's just,
• 37:54
  there's just not enough quality on the pitch.
• 37:55
  Selections wrong. He's got his selections have
• 37:58
  just continuously been wrong. I gave him a pass because I
• 38:01
  said, look, I want to see, you know, the Ahmad at wingback, and
• 38:04
  he was doing that more. Yeah.
• 38:06
  And he's gone back, reverted to type, gone.
• 38:09
  Gone with these defensive choices again, and rightfully
• 38:12
  punished. OK, on that note, I will let you
• 38:16
  guys go enjoy and. Hopefully the next, hopefully
• 38:19
  your next United game is a bit better, kids.
• 38:22
  But next, kids. Just like mate, get Pochetito
• 38:25
  in. We'll see what we can do.
• 38:27
  And Raj, I'm going to let you ask the question you're going to
• 38:32
  ask a minute ago now. So go for it.
• 38:33
  I was going to ask is Aza you are fully amum out now?
• 38:38
  I'm going to. I'm going to stay the same as
• 38:40
  I've always said. And Steve knows this.
• 38:42
  Even in the summer actually, if you give me the right name, we
• 38:46
  we were in Bilbao, right for the final.
• 38:47
  I was surveying the United fans and like, you know, how about
• 38:51
  Gareth Southgate? Steve knows this running joke.
• 38:54
  I kept asking. Like if you give me a guy I
• 38:56
  love, I would have got Amorim out in the summer.
• 38:59
  My issue is every time is, you know, like for example, I
• 39:03
  remember one of the pods we did and and Ash mentioned, like
• 39:05
  Marco Silva. I just wanted to like punch the
• 39:07
  monitor. I'm like Marco Silva, please
• 39:10
  God, not Marco Silva. So my issues no I.
• 39:13
  Don't think, I don't think. Right now, I'd take Marco Silva.
• 39:15
  Do you see what I'm saying? Every time someone comes with a
• 39:18
  name, I'm like, Oh no, please, please, as you're 16, you're 16
• 39:23
  and Ash keeps doing this, we're 16.
• 39:25
  Then I'm like, I don't care. I'd rather be in Division Four
• 39:29
  than have Marco Silva as the Manchester United.
• 39:31
  Measure then. Don't mind then, about
• 39:33
  everything I'm. Not moaning.
• 39:35
  Yeah, I'm not moaning. But everyone is everyone is
• 39:39
  moaning about it, right? And rightly.
• 39:40
  This is my point. My thing is, and Steve, you were
• 39:44
  with me on this, so thank you. I've got an ally on this, is
• 39:47
  that we both said we need a good name, right?
• 39:49
  So we're good. And that's the issue we both had
• 39:52
  is in the summer, we felt that the names were a bit uninspiring
• 39:56
  if you give me a good name. Well, you're like any us then
• 39:59
  you're you're better than everyone in the room.
• 40:01
  Keep. One being 17/6.
• 40:03
  No, no, hold on. Let's let's rewind if if, if we
• 40:05
  want to talk about the summer, if we want to talk about after
• 40:08
  the Spurs Europa League final, like Raj mentioned, right at
• 40:11
  that point, Ruben had come in mid season with a new formation.
• 40:15
  So at that point, I think it's not wild to say give him a
• 40:19
  summer, give him a preseason. Let's let's see how the start of
• 40:22
  the season goes. And even Raj was in that.
• 40:24
  Position, unless you have an outstanding name, which we
• 40:27
  didn't right and. Even even if we had an
• 40:30
  outstanding name, that's Fairpoint.
• 40:32
  Unless you're talking. No, no for me, even in the
• 40:34
  South. Too short, like say, say, say if
• 40:35
  you had two, two shorts of lock in, yeah, then I'd have gone.
• 40:39
  You know what? Fair play.
• 40:40
  You've got proven track record. You're world class manager, fair
• 40:44
  enough. And when right now you, you have
• 40:47
  to prove yourself. And we're not in a position as a
• 40:50
  class too. And of course have time right
• 40:53
  Southgate was definitely no when I would have kept time at that
• 40:56
  point. Right now you've now had enough
• 40:59
  time. You had a transfer window and I
• 41:01
  would all I'm not even do about results.
• 41:04
  You want to see a progression in performance and he hasn't shown
• 41:09
  it I. Would no I would say to this.
• 41:11
  Open, but until Brent, until Brentwood, show me what his
• 41:15
  tactics are. Until Brentford, I think I want
• 41:18
  to know what I how anyone can comprehend his tactics.
• 41:21
  I don't see any progression of what is I.
• 41:24
  Did until Brentford. Until Brentford, I think the
• 41:27
  press was stronger, like the front press was a lot better.
• 41:30
  I think we possessed the ball a lot better.
• 41:32
  I saw the the wing back Sedoga getting into much better
• 41:36
  positions and I saw more players entering the box.
• 41:39
  I think that Cooner and and Boomo have I think are good
• 41:42
  players. I like them.
• 41:43
  I know you're not impressed by them.
• 41:45
  I think Boomo. Is a great player?
• 41:46
  No, no. No, I think Boomo is a good
• 41:48
  player. It's.
• 41:49
  About the fact that Brema and Bremo and Cesco.
• 41:52
  I like I'm Bomo. I think Owen Bomo.
• 41:55
  I think he's a really good player.
• 41:56
  I think his first touch is excellent.
• 41:58
  I think he he that that that penalty, for example, he was
• 42:01
  going to slot that for me. I think you he could have, you
• 42:04
  know, you could have given him the pen.
• 42:06
  He's he's, he's, he's, he's a good test mission.
• 42:09
  Though against Grimsby, but yeah.
• 42:11
  I know, but I think he's a good thing.
• 42:13
  He's a good player. I think he's a good player.
• 42:15
  I think he's a good signing. I think he'll do really well.
• 42:18
  So I I think Cesco looks good, better than Hoyland.
• 42:22
  I think it's an upgrade there. I think he's got to play the
• 42:25
  goalkeeper. I don't get why you've been an
• 42:27
  honour and then bring a new goalkeeper and then still stick
• 42:29
  with the clown, right? Who's let you down?
• 42:32
  So the Arsenal game, for example, we were the better
• 42:34
  team. Why do we lose by Endear on the
• 42:36
  corner? But when you say we were the
• 42:37
  better team, yeah, don't you feel like it was huff and puff?
• 42:42
  Don't you feel like like we were the better side?
• 42:44
  Oh, because we had a bit more possession.
• 42:46
  How many real clear cut chances David Rae was in the match.
• 42:50
  I know it's it's a few weeks back.
• 42:52
  So you might you might get me here, but I can't remember.
• 42:55
  I'll remember what you did. But fair enough.
• 42:57
  But would you after the game going, You know what, yes, maybe
• 43:01
  we deserve to get a point out of it, but exactly what was going
• 43:04
  to say at home? No, no, no.
• 43:06
  But if you get a point, if OK, we need to take another step
• 43:09
  back again, right, Let's take a step back.
• 43:11
  What is your expectation for the season?
• 43:13
  Myself and Ash agreed. We're looking at 6th, 7th for
• 43:16
  Europa. Yeah, that's about 60 points.
• 43:18
  So a point against the I have Arsenal as my Premier League
• 43:21
  winners. That's why how high I rate
• 43:23
  Arsenal. Maybe you think some people have
• 43:24
  Arsenal 4th, 5th, I think they're the potential champion.
• 43:27
  So for me a point when you go toe to toe, that's good enough.
• 43:30
  I'm OK with that. I'm not expecting us to be
• 43:32
  leaked challenging yet. So what's your?
• 43:34
  Expectation, but I but it was more the fact that people were
• 43:39
  praising a performance so highly when.
• 43:41
  Praising that you're you're you've basically gone toe to toe
• 43:44
  with one of the two best teams in.
• 43:46
  The league, Did we really go toe to toe?
• 43:47
  With them, no, we were as good. As they were poor.
• 43:50
  OK, we we had it was a close. Game shot.
• 43:52
  It was a close me, me and Ash were there.
• 43:54
  No, no. We played well because we played
• 43:57
  well. No, no, because.
• 43:58
  We did they they didn't. Whether we played well or
• 44:00
  Arsenal didn't play well, it was a tight game.
• 44:03
  Me and Ash were there. We watched it.
• 44:04
  We watched it with Carlos, you know, with those points, we all
• 44:07
  got excited and Bumo looked good, like it was promising.
• 44:09
  That's all it was. So that's the thing.
• 44:11
  So I felt at the start of the season there's been a bit, you
• 44:14
  know, beating Chelsea was is a good result.
• 44:16
  For example, I think Chelsea should be a top four team again.
• 44:19
  I thought we deserved to win that game.
• 44:22
  I thought we were much better than Burnley and deserved the
• 44:24
  three points. There have been glimpses where
• 44:26
  we're better. This game, however, has gone
• 44:29
  back to what I saw last season. And if, if, if you if and I
• 44:34
  think that you're going to get this.
• 44:37
  Yeah, he's done. And I said, I said I don't know
• 44:39
  if it was 2 weeks ago or or or a week ago, that if he's lost the
• 44:42
  dressing room, then you have to get rid of him anyway.
• 44:44
  And it felt like there was a lack of effort.
• 44:46
  I just looked at the players on the pic.
• 44:48
  What you're not trying? Well, it was the more the
• 44:50
  better. Also, like when people said they
• 44:52
  lost the dressing room, that that might have happened, but it
• 44:55
  was more when they scored the third goal, the Cameron panned
• 44:59
  to the bench and McGuire and Shaw's face just looked like,
• 45:01
  yeah, this, this. I was like, he's done.
• 45:03
  What do you make of that? You know, as a coach, right?
• 45:06
  I know it's cricket, but it's still sports, right?
• 45:08
  What do you make of that phrase? Lost the dressing room like
• 45:10
  we've heard it so much over the last decade.
• 45:12
  Yeah, I don't. What do you?
• 45:13
  Do Roger when you lose, when you lose the dressing.
• 45:16
  Room How do you not lose the dressing room?
• 45:18
  How do you not lose the dressing room in shape?
• 45:20
  No, I don't know. Losing the dressing room, I've
• 45:23
  never been. I've been part of a dressing
• 45:26
  when you're playing, when you're playing quick and you're looking
• 45:28
  at the coach and you're like, they, they, they change the
• 45:31
  batting line up or they say right, right, guys, we need to
• 45:34
  go score this many runs for them to chase down.
• 45:38
  And you're kind of thinking that's not really the right way
• 45:40
  to go about this game in terms of losing the dressing room.
• 45:43
  Have I ever been part of the dressing room where we feel like
• 45:45
  the manager's not been good enough?
• 45:47
  No. Have I ever felt like a team has
• 45:50
  looked at me where they don't haven't really followed my my
• 45:55
  tactics or my example? No.
• 45:57
  So I haven't really been part of that.
• 45:59
  That's what I mean. It feels like a bit of excuse.
• 46:01
  Like it's not it's not I'll. Give you 2.
• 46:03
  We've had it. I always got back to it.
• 46:05
  I saw something years back on a, on a talk show and I took and
• 46:10
  like, we talk about these commentators and they come up
• 46:12
  with these sayings and it's like excruciating pressure and things
• 46:16
  like that. And they're not tangible things.
• 46:18
  What? What does losing a dressing room
• 46:20
  mean? OK, so losing a dressing room.
• 46:23
  Hang on, you've got 30 players in a squad, What so 10910
• 46:26
  players don't like you is that? Is that is that?
• 46:30
  What it is I bet you. I bet you.
• 46:32
  Talk about some of the teams I've coached, some of the
• 46:34
  players, some of the students wouldn't like me because of
• 46:37
  because of the way the way I've handled certain situations.
• 46:40
  But I'm fine with that as long as the results are good.
• 46:43
  Yeah, I bet and I bet you go. Abrahamovich doesn't like Pep,
• 46:47
  but he likes Mourinho. So it's all personable things
• 46:52
  that they talk about. In terms of losing the dressing
• 46:53
  room, if a guarantee, if they were winning, then you're not
• 46:58
  losing the dressing room. It's just as a result.
• 47:00
  So you're basically got on results, that's what.
• 47:02
  That's what was losing the dressing.
• 47:04
  Room that makes sense. Yeah, I know.
• 47:05
  Yeah. So if you I've, I've been in a
• 47:08
  lost addressing room situation, a work context, which is where
• 47:11
  the people under the manager don't believe in the manager and
• 47:14
  don't feel like they're giving them the right instructions or
• 47:17
  the right motivations or so for example, you know, being quite
• 47:21
  of a micromanager, for example, right?
• 47:23
  That could be something you don't like as an individual.
• 47:25
  And then you then you lose that desire to, to the extra step.
• 47:29
  We've had a couple of times at United, we could say that
• 47:32
  Mourinho lost the dressing room, right?
• 47:34
  The players were like I've, I've had I've done with this guy and
• 47:38
  I don't know but. You, you said extra step there.
• 47:40
  It's not the extra step. It's the base level of
• 47:42
  performance that is missing. When you look at that Brentford
• 47:45
  game, that's the base level of performance.
• 47:47
  That's not the extra step. Yeah, OK.
• 47:49
  However you define it, you lose something, right?
• 47:51
  You lose. Did you ever have the dressing
• 47:53
  room then? No, but no.
• 47:54
  But where does personal pride come into?
• 47:56
  Of like, you want to just do a good performance, You want to
• 47:58
  play well for the fans, you know?
• 48:02
  You do, but this is my point is like that in in all physical
• 48:05
  exertion, there's this. I do think there's this extra
• 48:08
  thing of desire. I agree.
• 48:11
  Yeah, and that's when you look at yourself, no.
• 48:14
  You do, but then there's if you're in a bad, this is the
• 48:17
  thing everyone says. Look at yourself and maybe I'm
• 48:20
  just a different character. When I'm in a bad environment, I
• 48:22
  struggle. I've struggled in previous jobs
• 48:25
  where it's like I've been in a bad environment where it's a bit
• 48:27
  toxic and I can't give my best and I'm maybe I'm weak, but we
• 48:31
  don't want. Your best.
• 48:32
  We just want we want competent like base.
• 48:35
  Level I know. So you can deliver competent,
• 48:38
  but the point is, if the others of the opposition side in a game
• 48:42
  of football is not being competent and is going above and
• 48:45
  beyond, then you're struggling because it's it's it's high
• 48:49
  level sport, right. So if and we saw it in, you
• 48:52
  know, I don't know if you watch goal from the Ryder Cup, the
• 48:55
  captaincy and the decisions they make make a difference.
• 48:58
  Like the same players are out there.
• 48:59
  But if you have a good environment, This is why.
• 49:02
  I know we joke about Gareth Southgate, but he created a good
• 49:06
  environment in England so that the players could reach what you
• 49:09
  call the base level, right, Because they.
• 49:12
  Weren't, I think they're over performed.
• 49:13
  They over performed. Yeah.
• 49:14
  But OK, however you want to define it, the previous
• 49:17
  generations of England players weren't reaching their base
• 49:20
  level because of the environment.
• 49:23
  We we're talking about cricket rides.
• 49:25
  You'll know about, for example, Michael Atherton, NASA Hussein
• 49:27
  era of captaincy and even Joe Root versus the Ben Stokes ear
• 49:31
  of captaincy. And what is the environment that
• 49:34
  Brendan McCollum has created in terms of, OK, you're free to do
• 49:38
  this, and that freedom allows you to perform in a same person,
• 49:42
  Personal accountability. I'm going to try 100%.
• 49:44
  I'm going to go in the net, so I'm going to face a billion
• 49:46
  balls. But somehow the environment
• 49:49
  allows you to do something different.
• 49:51
  And I don't know what that is. You can maybe explain that.
• 49:55
  But I do. Think on the dressing room
• 49:58
  though. Like I get the point of
• 50:00
  obviously you can lose a dressing room, but if you're a
• 50:04
  good enough manager, you can get the dressing room back like
• 50:07
  there's been. That's the point.
• 50:08
  You've never had it. There there's enough examples
• 50:11
  even in the last like 10 odd years where top managers, they
• 50:15
  get off to bad starts and sometimes it's a Eureka moment.
• 50:19
  Maybe it's just a, you know, a set of games and then or a bit
• 50:22
  lot bit a bit of luck as well. Let's say Bruno sticks the
• 50:26
  penalty away and we win that game.
• 50:27
  Yeah, but suddenly I know you know what I mean.
• 50:30
  Yeah, a bit of luck. Remember what?
• 50:33
  Remember what I said? Like, you know, right?
• 50:35
  I've been ribbing up for ages. But I did say a few two weeks
• 50:38
  ago, he's just unlucky in, in certain circumstances in terms
• 50:42
  of the matches and stuff. He's unlucky.
• 50:44
  He's like David Moyes when he came in.
• 50:46
  It's like people will probably forget now because it's it's
• 50:49
  quite a long time ago. It's like 11 years ago, like
• 50:51
  there were certain points in David Moyes games which like if
• 50:54
  that went for him, we draw or we win and then all of a sudden you
• 50:57
  get like 5-6 extra points and you know.
• 50:59
  His penalty record has been exceptional and he's missed two
• 51:02
  of the last three in crucial matches.
• 51:04
  And it's like at crucial moments as well, right?
• 51:07
  Nil, nil against Fulham and and this one.
• 51:09
  And you're like, and and this is the thing.
• 51:13
  It is part of that though, going back to the pressure that Bruno
• 51:16
  is under in that moment. And that's the dressing room,
• 51:18
  the environment. Is he given?
• 51:21
  If I watched Ruben Amarim on the bench hiding away or whatever,
• 51:24
  is he giving the right signals? Right So.
• 51:27
  Just he can't, he can't be, he can't be given the right signal.
• 51:30
  No, but just on the signals. Pitch.
• 51:32
  Just on the signals, because a lot of talk again in the media
• 51:36
  and stuff, I get it right. Number one, this is the this is
• 51:38
  the crucial thing, right? And Steve will say it straight
• 51:41
  away, as the United manager, you have to win games, right?
• 51:46
  When you're losing games, all this shit is going to be picked
• 51:49
  up upon. Because imagine if we were
• 51:50
  winning and he doesn't look at the penalty.
• 51:53
  Super cool. If he's looking at the ground
• 51:55
  when we're three nil up, what a cool man.
• 51:57
  He's the new Jose Mourinho. That is the narrative.
• 52:00
  It's insane. Like the difference between
• 52:02
  winning and losing, right? And the point is, obviously
• 52:05
  I've, you know, I've talked about it a little bit at the
• 52:08
  beginning of the season. I do think it makes a difference
• 52:12
  that Bruno is playing this central midfield role in his
• 52:15
  head, right? It's this micro percentages we
• 52:17
  speak about, plus the stress that as it's talking about.
• 52:21
  I also think I've talked about it low on confidence.
• 52:24
  These guys just aren't getting the system right.
• 52:27
  I don't necessarily blame the players and I've blamed the
• 52:29
  players many a times over the last 10 years.
• 52:31
  But I, I'm sorry, I do blame the manager because I've seen enough
• 52:36
  coaches even in the last year. Oliver Glasner, the guy at
• 52:39
  Wolves, it's different versions of the back three, but they
• 52:44
  execute the coaching for whatever reason.
• 52:46
  I don't know what it is. Maybe it's to do with the
• 52:48
  language because some of the the journalists have talked about.
• 52:51
  You know what? You know one thing, it is, I can
• 52:53
  tell you for sure the size of the club.
• 52:56
  The size of the club 100% it is so massive, this place right it,
• 53:00
  it shrinks the best. Thing and that's why I wouldn't.
• 53:02
  That's why I've got no, I don't have full faith in you take a
• 53:05
  Glasner and you put them in United.
• 53:07
  It's not a plug and play situation.
• 53:09
  Out of interest, No, I look, I get it right.
• 53:13
  I normally tried to go for high ceiling managers, but I just
• 53:17
  don't feel like I can take the risk anymore because we we tried
• 53:21
  it with 10 hog, even though me and you wanted parch.
• 53:24
  We tried it, we tried it again and it's going to fail.
• 53:28
  So Steve, I just want to ask you like you can pick like most
• 53:32
  managers, right, that are available today, who would you
• 53:35
  pick? Today I just, I've just been
• 53:37
  getting the odds up in the last minute because I can kind of
• 53:40
  feel we're getting into that conversation.
• 53:41
  But the reason I'm smiling is because if you don't want to
• 53:44
  take any risk, there's only one man for the job as right?
• 53:48
  If you want that safe, if you want this, if you want that
• 53:50
  safety. Pick.
• 53:52
  No, no, no. You're going.
• 53:53
  To say you're going to genuinely say that.
• 53:56
  I forget. Yeah.
• 53:56
  No 100%. You know if you.
• 53:59
  Want stability if you want stability.
• 54:01
  United fans will not take him. I know that.
• 54:03
  I know that. I'm just, I'm just saying,
• 54:05
  right, Forget the noise, United fans.
• 54:07
  United fans are not good people to listen to when it comes to
• 54:10
  picket managers. Forget about the fans.
• 54:13
  Steve. No fans are Steve.
• 54:15
  Exactly right, Exactly. Steve, out of interest, if you
• 54:18
  did have to listen to the noise, yeah, just say for a second you
• 54:21
  had to listen to it, who would you pick?
• 54:23
  Ollie, OK. Yeah, but the United fans would
• 54:27
  be up for Ollie as. Well, yeah, of course you.
• 54:28
  Will I think they'll be way more up for Ollie than than Self?
• 54:32
  Sorry. I've already said on self gay I
• 54:35
  would even take him. Yeah, Raj, what'd you say to
• 54:37
  Ollie Selsha? Look at the.
• 54:40
  Face. Look at the face.
• 54:42
  He's been mine fucked, He's going back, he's mine fucked.
• 54:46
  No, but can I just take one thing?
• 54:47
  The reason why why I reacted like that is like it's because
• 54:50
  we're going back. However, when Ollie was in
• 54:54
  charge and I'll always go, and I've said this for the last
• 54:56
  couple of weeks, that was the most fun I've had.
• 54:59
  See being a United fan since Fergie got sacked in those first
• 55:03
  20 games and owned K against PSG, we talk about that bit of
• 55:07
  luck. We've got that little bit like
• 55:08
  the contract, but yeah, but those 1st 20 games, you in the
• 55:14
  first two games you saw a style. That's my point.
• 55:18
  Only social got a tune out of worst players.
• 55:21
  They were worst players back then.
• 55:23
  Remember Ruben signed some players and we're saying we kind
• 55:25
  of have a bet team. OK, yes, you got Bernardo in the
• 55:28
  following season, but we had worst players then, and they
• 55:31
  did. And they were really, they were
• 55:33
  really on a downward slope. They had just come to the
• 55:35
  Marina. Jose, right?
• 55:36
  Yeah. Toxic dressing room and he went
• 55:38
  and he bought them in and we went like that.
• 55:40
  Lifted it, yeah. We talked about it actually.
• 55:43
  Came in after after vanished. Roy had won, Didn't he win?
• 55:46
  He won a yeah, he'd done all right in those.
• 55:48
  Cup games, right after 3-4 games he came in, so dressing was kind
• 55:52
  of doing that anyway. We actually spoke about it.
• 55:55
  So my point is, surely I can't say anyone would be better.
• 56:00
  And when I made that face about Ollie, it's just like you're
• 56:03
  thinking, bloody hell, look how that ended.
• 56:06
  I remember leaving that, remember leaving that Liverpool
• 56:08
  game and those Liverpool fans singing that song about a legend
• 56:12
  of Oz. I'm thinking, and you're not.
• 56:14
  And I've never seen United fans like that, like thousands of
• 56:18
  walking out the stadium and just chanting Ollie out.
• 56:20
  And I was like fucking going because it was I was.
• 56:23
  Just going to say we're talking about losing the dressing.
• 56:25
  It's a great example actually in what the difference it would
• 56:30
  make is that if you look at the performances Raj of Paul Pogba
• 56:34
  before and after Ollie comes in, that's the difference an
• 56:38
  environment makes. He was unbelievable in when
• 56:41
  Ollie came in. The first few games.
• 56:43
  He's just scoring for fun and it's the same player, right?
• 56:46
  It's just somehow OK, I've got someone to play for.
• 56:49
  He doesn't hate me basically every time I post something on
• 56:51
  Instagram or whatever. And it does make a difference.
• 56:54
  And then a story from the weekend is that the Oasis gig?
• 56:58
  I don't know if you're going to clip any of our discussion
• 57:00
  around that. There's a Newcastle fan in front
• 57:03
  of me and I had a United top on so we were bantering about
• 57:06
  football. And he went to the Oasis gig
• 57:08
  were United top fair play. Yeah, absolutely.
• 57:11
  Represent, mate, represent. And he actually said to me, hey,
• 57:15
  do you know who you need in a jokey way like Southgate?
• 57:18
  And I'm like, I know, I agree. It's like, no, I'm serious.
• 57:20
  I'm serious. And I'm like, no, I'm serious
• 57:23
  too. I agree with you.
• 57:25
  He was like, he wasn't having it.
• 57:26
  I was like, no, he's like, and it's like, you know, you've got
• 57:29
  a good manager as well. And he's like, yeah, you're not
• 57:31
  having him, but yeah, you should get.
• 57:32
  And I'm like, yeah, I agree. Like because.
• 57:34
  He's on the same. Environment So like in terms of
• 57:36
  Ollie, I like like now I'm thinking about it like it might
• 57:40
  not be a bad choice, but I don't but mine if we if we look at it
• 57:44
  realistically, but I genuinely don't think any us are sacking
• 57:48
  him until that 12 million. Can you call it a release
• 57:53
  clause? I've I've I've bet on with Steve
• 57:55
  if you wait. Have you taken it on the
• 57:56
  decision? Yeah, yeah, we took we've.
• 57:58
  Got a million we took we've got I've got a bet with Steve
• 58:00
  because I said it's after the November 1st.
• 58:04
  I think they're going to wait for that and he said there's
• 58:06
  getting so bad it's going to be before.
• 58:08
  So he's going to buy me a Rudy's pizza if he Reuben can make it
• 58:11
  to the 1st and. Can I, can I, can I get in on
• 58:14
  that? Yeah.
• 58:16
  He just wants a pizza. Just quickly.
• 58:19
  Same question then. If you had to listen to the
• 58:21
  noise, who would you pick? Oh.
• 58:25
  That's a good because the problem is I don't I try and
• 58:28
  stay away from the noise. I know, but like, let's just say
• 58:31
  so I know. So give me some names that you
• 58:33
  think the noise would accept. Yeah, yeah, go.
• 58:36
  What? What?
• 58:36
  Why? Hold on, hold on, hold on, hold
• 58:37
  on. Why are we asking this question?
• 58:39
  Shouldn't the question be? No, no, I just, who wants to
• 58:42
  know? I just want to know because you
• 58:44
  have to factor the noise in because that's one of the
• 58:46
  reasons why Dan was not in the show.
• 58:47
  No, but you don't. No, but this is the good club
• 58:49
  I'm. Just asking the liver.
• 58:51
  I'm asking that put. It back to the noise with slot
• 58:53
  do you think how many little. I know I'm asking it as an
• 58:56
  alternative question, but. Shouldn't the question be who is
• 59:00
  the right manager to pick? I know what he's going to say,
• 59:02
  Gareth Southgate. So I'm asking for an alternative
• 59:05
  name like from based on the based on the noise.
• 59:07
  I'll break it down for you very simply, right?
• 59:09
  There's three, there's three names in the in the mix, right?
• 59:12
  The sensible name is Gareth Southgate, the fan's name is
• 59:15
  Ollie, and the third name, the Ineos name, the Mr We're fucking
• 59:20
  smarter than everyone is Glasner.
• 59:22
  They're going to go for Glasner because they think.
• 59:23
  Right now, I want to ask Mr. The Ineos?
• 59:26
  Is that actually the rumours? But he's a favourite for the
• 59:29
  job. He's 3 to 1.
• 59:31
  Now I want to ask Mr Ineos too, just out of interest and just a
• 59:34
  bit of spice, who would he pick apart from Gareth Southgate?
• 59:38
  Glasner. Glasner Who?
• 59:41
  What you're saying Raj or us? No, ask me.
• 59:44
  Let's, let's, why don't we just go through the names, right?
• 59:48
  So you know, I'm a fat massive fan of.
• 59:50
  Who are the names? No, Steve's just said them
• 59:53
  right. So Southgate, you know I'm a
• 59:54
  Mass fan. You know I love Ollie.
• 59:55
  You know, I know he's your number one pick.
• 59:57
  That's cool. I've got.
• 59:59
  Ollie. Ollie.
• 1:00:00
  Yeah, You can pick Ollie too, right?
• 1:00:01
  Yeah. Let's let's look, let's do it
• 1:00:02
  based on the order order of the. Odds.
• 1:00:04
  No, no. But let's talk about the other
• 1:00:05
  names, right. Let's talk about the other
• 1:00:06
  names. I just want to hear, I think I
• 1:00:08
  think Glasner is a very good manager if you want to.
• 1:00:10
  OK, what's the? Difference.
• 1:00:11
  Would you be happy with him? What's the diff?
• 1:00:14
  Yeah, absolutely. What's the difference between
• 1:00:16
  what Glass is doing at Palace versus United and Steve, you're
• 1:00:19
  a bit right. It's the size of the club.
• 1:00:21
  In the Palace, you can be more defensive.
• 1:00:23
  So you actually they they stay a lot deeper and they counter
• 1:00:26
  attack. What's what's what what Amaran
• 1:00:29
  does is the front players go on the press.
• 1:00:31
  So you'll see the the front three, sometimes the wing backs
• 1:00:35
  in the central midfield detached from the centre backs and they
• 1:00:37
  they creates this space in the middle of the pitch.
• 1:00:39
  You don't get that Palace because they they, they stay
• 1:00:42
  together and they only attack with the three and then the wing
• 1:00:45
  backs, right? Do you think if based on this
• 1:00:49
  team as well right, we've seen even under 10 hard when when
• 1:00:52
  this team tries to press and they try to compress space, they
• 1:00:57
  just get fucked up, right? Do you not actually think to an
• 1:00:59
  extent then Ollie Glasner could be good for this squad in
• 1:01:03
  particular because he would keep the defence tight and counter
• 1:01:06
  attack is the Manchester United style isn't it?
• 1:01:09
  I'm just putting. It out so from a pragmatic basis
• 1:01:12
  like Raj is like oh, what's Amarim trying to do he's trying
• 1:01:16
  to play Pep Guardiola from three years ago type of football press
• 1:01:21
  high and possess the ball circulate the ball right and
• 1:01:24
  when do we. All ever play 3 at the back?
• 1:01:27
  All the time. Pep always plays three at the
• 1:01:29
  back. No, but what Pep?
• 1:01:32
  Oh, Pep, Pep oh, this is this is a thing, Pep.
• 1:01:35
  Or either either one of the centre backs goes into midfield
• 1:01:38
  or one of the full backs inverts into midfield.
• 1:01:40
  But they always have a three and A2 and A5, right?
• 1:01:44
  Most Reuben coaches it so badly that the players the.
• 1:01:48
  Issue the issue. No the issue.
• 1:01:50
  Yeah, I was going to say. The issue is Pep.
• 1:01:53
  Pep will put more tech tech technical players on the pitch
• 1:01:56
  and he plays bloody Dallow and these jokers right.
• 1:02:00
  As another example, why is Luke Shaw still playing?
• 1:02:02
  He keeps playing bad bad games. Why?
• 1:02:05
  Why is Euro not playing right? But the issue is the issue isn't
• 1:02:09
  the system that goes back to the transfer window.
• 1:02:11
  We the transfer window 15 16 for where we ended up and one player
• 1:02:17
  we can argue players got released from the club.
• 1:02:19
  You can argue the transfer window, but let's say he has got
• 1:02:21
  the resources. Is he using the best of the
• 1:02:24
  resources he's got? I don't think so.
• 1:02:26
  Would a would is the squad where it's at better suited to, let's
• 1:02:30
  say, playing a more pragmatic style of football that an Ollie,
• 1:02:33
  a Glasner and a Southgate would provide?
• 1:02:35
  Yes. And This is why I've always been
• 1:02:37
  like, I actually think the best manager in the Premier League is
• 1:02:41
  a Iola. But I think what he is doing at
• 1:02:45
  Brentford we'd also have problems with, right?
• 1:02:48
  And that's why I actually want the more bore pragmatic, not the
• 1:02:52
  Marco Silver level of boring. There's, there's, there's.
• 1:02:56
  He's not that boring like. Full of the most.
• 1:02:58
  Boring team in the Premier League, yeah.
• 1:02:59
  Because have you seen team? Have you seen MP?
• 1:03:02
  He's. Worse than Sean Daish and David
• 1:03:04
  Moy, I take David Moyes over Marco Seal.
• 1:03:07
  Fair enough, but Fulham? Fulham's players are so shy.
• 1:03:11
  They're boring. They're terrible.
• 1:03:13
  Fulham's squad is not that good and he's got the best album,
• 1:03:16
  That's the only reason. And he, David, David Moyes gets
• 1:03:19
  the best out of players and he's a better manager than you're
• 1:03:22
  giving him credit. But that's absolutely fine.
• 1:03:23
  Like David Moyes. Gets the finish this list.
• 1:03:28
  Yeah, yeah, get. Stuff out of Everton, right?
• 1:03:31
  And and and and plays better football than and Marco Silva.
• 1:03:34
  So I'm OK with the three names that Steve mentioned.
• 1:03:37
  You know, I have a soft spot for Sir Gareth because of what he
• 1:03:41
  did for England, because he's a good man and I like I'm always
• 1:03:44
  about. We don't need good men, we just
• 1:03:46
  need a good manager. He's a good manager and Steve
• 1:03:49
  talks about the size of the club.
• 1:03:51
  This he is someone I know for a fact can deal with the size of
• 1:03:55
  institution of Manchester United.
• 1:03:57
  I what I need under Southgate is not Steve Holland, who was his
• 1:04:01
  second. He was coach for England, who
• 1:04:03
  had a more defensive style which I thought would work in
• 1:04:05
  tournament football. I want to see, I might, I've
• 1:04:08
  said this so many times. I want Carrick and McKenna back
• 1:04:11
  at the club. I want them to be on the and and
• 1:04:14
  that's what and Raj, you mentioned it under Ollie Carrick
• 1:04:17
  McKenna, Ollie good football, you know, sometimes we'd sit
• 1:04:21
  back and counter, sometimes we'd press high.
• 1:04:23
  Sometimes we play back three, sometimes we play back 4, right?
• 1:04:26
  Sometimes it was 4334231. Different setups and different.
• 1:04:31
  And also what comes into it is what's the goal rate?
• 1:04:34
  So if we say a new manager, the goal clearly is not to win the
• 1:04:38
  league, is it? The goal is to get back to some
• 1:04:40
  level of competence like challenge for Europe, right,
• 1:04:43
  Europe. But it's not even that isn't the
• 1:04:45
  goal right now to. Some fun as well.
• 1:04:48
  Let's enjoy, let's enjoy, let's enjoy.
• 1:04:51
  That's why I gave you Ollie, Raj.
• 1:04:53
  That's why I gave you Ollie. That's why I said Ollie.
• 1:04:55
  That's what you wanted. Now thinking about it and like
• 1:04:57
  I've yeted the way I did, because it's just like, it's
• 1:05:00
  like, oh for God's sake, like, like you go, we're going back
• 1:05:03
  again. Well, you missed out on Jose
• 1:05:04
  because isn't he gone to Benfica?
• 1:05:07
  Jose gone. Yeah, we had that conversation
• 1:05:09
  in the car that time and you, like you gave me Jose and I had
• 1:05:11
  to think about it. I look forward to the day when
• 1:05:14
  you guys don't give Southgate and all in.
• 1:05:16
  I love love to see what the name is outside of them too.
• 1:05:20
  Because no, the thing with Southgate and I and I was 1 to
• 1:05:25
  cuss him when we, when we had to that journey up and we had that
• 1:05:27
  Rudy's and I was like, no, never Southgate.
• 1:05:31
  He's so boring. But I'd take him right now
• 1:05:34
  because because I'll tell you why, because as is so right in
• 1:05:39
  terms of managing England and what he did when he came into
• 1:05:43
  that national side, we had just lost to Iceland.
• 1:05:47
  Everyone forgets that we got no time by fucking Iceland, right.
• 1:05:52
  He had come in to where a couldn't have got lower and he
• 1:05:54
  turned it round and England, England fans had a lot of fun
• 1:05:58
  over the last three tournaments, right?
• 1:06:01
  It could have got a little bit your way.
• 1:06:03
  They got a little bit of luck against France and OK, he fucked
• 1:06:06
  up against Croatia and it's it's the Italian the Italian game.
• 1:06:11
  He could have done a bit better in the second-half.
• 1:06:13
  However, they had a lot of fun. So if we just need a small buck
• 1:06:17
  on Man United faces and and and right now you're you're thinking
• 1:06:21
  Southgate could do that. No, you disagree, Nash.
• 1:06:26
  Because it's so bad, Yeah, I'd agree.
• 1:06:28
  But fundamentally I'm definitely not doing it.
• 1:06:31
  It's the same reason, like with Ollie, like if anything, I've
• 1:06:33
  learned from the PSG experience, right on the night I was like,
• 1:06:37
  everyone else signed the contract.
• 1:06:38
  The day after, I'm like, yeah, we got to go for Pochettino.
• 1:06:42
  Like, that was fun. That was one of the best nights
• 1:06:44
  since Fergie's left. But we got to go and get.
• 1:06:47
  I just can't fathom a world where someone picks Marco Silva
• 1:06:52
  over Gary. I just don't get it.
• 1:06:55
  I just don't get it Marco. Same the same reason as if if
• 1:06:58
  Kabir was on the pod or other people are on the pod they would
• 1:07:01
  be like you are insane to think Southgate is is a good pick So
• 1:07:05
  what? Is Marco Silva achieved in his
• 1:07:07
  career? Nothing, he said.
• 1:07:08
  Nobody plays shit football. I was so bored.
• 1:07:11
  I can't watch Fulham. Have you watched?
• 1:07:13
  You're, you're asking, you're asking Southgate to come in with
• 1:07:18
  all these coaches like, so that that just shows you like, I
• 1:07:22
  don't need like a big backroom team with Marco Silva or Eddie
• 1:07:26
  Howe or I. Feel Man United do need that.
• 1:07:28
  Yeah, we I feel Man United need a manager.
• 1:07:30
  A spokesman. Managers aside, yeah, who just
• 1:07:33
  spoke like This is why I'm gonna stay in the job, because he's a
• 1:07:35
  great communicator. When you listen to his press
• 1:07:37
  conferences, you go fucking hell, are we top of the league?
• 1:07:43
  Oh my God, how's this got? Like, like you come on, we've
• 1:07:46
  got we're gonna be fine lads. And he watch football and go
• 1:07:48
  fuck yeah. Shit, exactly.
• 1:07:50
  But so it's a. Good skill though, we.
• 1:07:52
  Need. We need a manager who knows what
• 1:07:54
  he's doing and then we need like 3-4 coaches.
• 1:07:57
  No, because that's the 90s and the naughties like the the top.
• 1:08:01
  You don't have the set up at this club to put in a manager
• 1:08:04
  that you're talking about. The set up is fucking Jason
• 1:08:07
  Wilcox and Jim Ratcliffe on his fucking fishing trips and you
• 1:08:11
  want to put in one of these tactical coaches?
• 1:08:13
  In what part of this are United fans ever going to understand?
• 1:08:17
  You don't. Eat these managers.
• 1:08:18
  You're, you're talking like, as if, like we're going to sell the
• 1:08:21
  club to Qatar tomorrow. It's not coming.
• 1:08:23
  If you're happy, if you're happy to lose games every week, no
• 1:08:26
  problem. Problem, right?
• 1:08:27
  You carry on with. No, you've got this in your
• 1:08:29
  mindset. You've got this in your mindset.
• 1:08:31
  Take this manager. No, no, because I'm being
• 1:08:34
  pragmatic. I was the one who told no.
• 1:08:36
  Pragmatic is Garrett let. Me finish.
• 1:08:38
  Let me finish my sentence. When I Marco Silver when I was.
• 1:08:42
  Yeah, well, what can I say? Gareth Selka, What's he ever
• 1:08:45
  done in the fucking? Premier League He's taken on the
• 1:08:48
  biggest job in the country he's got relegated with.
• 1:08:50
  Middle. He got relegated with middle
• 1:08:51
  like 20 years ago. He's not managed.
• 1:08:53
  He's not managed for a top club ever.
• 1:08:55
  Go on. But you would have picked some
• 1:08:56
  silver there. Don't talk to me about fucking
• 1:08:59
  Mahogay Silva. He's got a record, at least in
• 1:09:02
  the Premier League. Oh.
• 1:09:04
  Jesus. But anyway, let me just what it
• 1:09:06
  be united. If you like me, Mr Penn Nash
• 1:09:09
  wants silver. It was 11 large.
• 1:09:12
  You couldn't even be I don't want to be in the 90s.
• 1:09:15
  I don't want to be in the 90s or the 90s.
• 1:09:17
  So who's you guys? So who's your pick on this like
• 1:09:19
  airy fairy shit? It's like, what have you guys
• 1:09:22
  been watching for the last year? And so who's your pending it for
• 1:09:24
  the last? Year.
• 1:09:25
  Who's your pick? Not Southgate, I told.
• 1:09:27
  You, I told you a bunch of managers already.
• 1:09:29
  I don't. Don't give me a bunch, tell me
• 1:09:30
  who your pick. No, I told you the names
• 1:09:32
  already. Eddie Howe, top of the list.
• 1:09:34
  You're. Not You're not getting Eddie
• 1:09:36
  Howe at the moment, so here's your realistic shout.
• 1:09:38
  I just told you, Marco Silva, if we could pick today.
• 1:09:41
  So Marco Silva is the person you're getting right now, Yeah.
• 1:09:44
  Yeah, because we're a shit show, Steve.
• 1:09:45
  We're losing every. Week.
• 1:09:47
  I know you seem to be forgetting that.
• 1:09:48
  I know we're a shit show and we need a new man.
• 1:09:50
  All you want to do is put get the.
• 1:09:52
  Brady Bunch, all I want to. Do is cut out the noise because
• 1:09:55
  half of our fans want to get the Brady.
• 1:09:57
  Bunch together. You want to get back?
• 1:09:59
  Listen, why don't we pull people out from my wow the grave as
• 1:10:03
  well? Then why don't you just don't?
• 1:10:04
  Listen to the fanbase, half of our fanbase.
• 1:10:07
  Not still. Ruben is Steve.
• 1:10:09
  I was the first Steve. I was the first person to say on
• 1:10:12
  the pod, Ruben out. So I listen to myself.
• 1:10:15
  I know what I get to say, but you're.
• 1:10:17
  Waking, you're picking a bad name to.
• 1:10:19
  Replace it because like I'm trying to be pragmatic.
• 1:10:21
  If you let me finish my point earlier, 2-3 years ago me and us
• 1:10:25
  had this discussion. He was in favour of Ollie being
• 1:10:29
  the stable manager then going to get like the high ceiling
• 1:10:32
  manager. Do you remember as I disagreed
• 1:10:34
  with you, I was like let's get the high ceiling manager now
• 1:10:36
  still. Believe that?
• 1:10:37
  Yeah. Yeah, yeah.
• 1:10:37
  So I'm role reversing actually, right.
• 1:10:40
  So I'm saying, I mean, I think all it is is your pragmatic
• 1:10:44
  manager is Southgate and mine is just Marco Silva or Eddie Howe
• 1:10:48
  or any of these other Premier League managers.
• 1:10:50
  I'd take that. That group that I've spoke
• 1:10:53
  about, for example, I wouldn't take David Moyes.
• 1:10:57
  But but you're not factor in the size of the club.
• 1:10:59
  But hang on. So you take Marco?
• 1:11:01
  Absolutely a factor in the size. I don't get this Marco.
• 1:11:05
  I just. How are you?
• 1:11:06
  How are you? Sorry Ash, Look, I don't mean to
• 1:11:09
  create conflict. How the fuck he create?
• 1:11:11
  How fuck he picking Marco Silva over David Moyes?
• 1:11:15
  David Moyes has got a better track record than Marco Silva.
• 1:11:18
  You guys don't watch enough football there.
• 1:11:19
  I've watched enough Marco Silva, but David Moyes has been the
• 1:11:22
  manager of a. Premier, how do you know Silver
• 1:11:24
  can handle the size of the club? Because he's got the
• 1:11:28
  personality, he's got the charisma.
• 1:11:31
  Wow, you must have had a nice dinner with him then.
• 1:11:32
  Because I can't. I can't tell tell.
• 1:11:34
  I'll tell you what, you guys must have had a great party with
• 1:11:37
  Reuben because you've been backing him for a year.
• 1:11:39
  I thought you were going to say Southgate.
• 1:11:41
  Southgate, he doesn't party. So what?
• 1:11:43
  How that even happened? Southgate took me on a party for
• 1:11:47
  the 2021 anyways, don't worry about that.
• 1:11:49
  Yeah, that's because you went to Berlin.
• 1:11:53
  Mirage. It's good.
• 1:11:54
  It's good that you see what I've been facing with the market.
• 1:11:56
  I can't do Marco Silva. I can't do Marco Silva.
• 1:11:58
  No, no. I can't do Gareth Southgate and
• 1:12:01
  this is the. Exact and this is the
• 1:12:03
  fundamental issue with the outcome it's.
• 1:12:06
  The smartest people in the room, we get it.
• 1:12:08
  All right, you get you guys go and get Southgate.
• 1:12:10
  Not, not much will change. We'll be higher in the league
• 1:12:13
  but we won't do anything. Yeah, but that's the that's the
• 1:12:16
  goal, isn't it? Wait.
• 1:12:18
  A minute. Well, it's not hard when you you
• 1:12:23
  2, you 2 have been backing the guy 17.
• 1:12:26
  So it's not difficult, is it? Yeah, I don't know.
• 1:12:31
  You, you backed the manager who fucking lost the Spurs in the
• 1:12:33
  final, so you know. The thing.
• 1:12:35
  No, the thing again. But at that time, hang on, hang
• 1:12:38
  on. When you're saying that you're
• 1:12:41
  saying you would have sacked him the day after the final.
• 1:12:43
  Absolutely, Raj. But he hasn't.
• 1:12:48
  It doesn't matter at that point. It doesn't matter.
• 1:12:51
  It's. That guy at that point?
• 1:12:52
  He couldn't do, he can do anything with that squad.
• 1:12:54
  Maybe he, maybe he had. Me on a string because.
• 1:12:57
  Yeah, I think he's charging. We've had no training sessions,
• 1:13:00
  we keep playing two games a week, we've had no training
• 1:13:02
  sessions, so maybe he's just had me.
• 1:13:04
  Yeah, he charmed you. We're.
• 1:13:05
  Gonna have a whole. Summer and then we're gonna
• 1:13:06
  become good. Exactly.
• 1:13:07
  He charmed you. He when he when he took the mic
• 1:13:10
  at Old Trafford and said the good times are coming back.
• 1:13:13
  You got charged. There as well you.
• 1:13:15
  Got to be, to be fair, right? You have always made the point
• 1:13:19
  and it's fair enough you think the playing squad lacks quality,
• 1:13:23
  right? Therefore you would have looked
• 1:13:24
  at the squad and gotten this is a bunch of losers.
• 1:13:26
  Of course he's failing. Have a good transfer window and
• 1:13:29
  he will do better. That's why you back him in the
• 1:13:31
  summer. Do you think, do you think
• 1:13:33
  that's a sorry a squad that 16th worthy of 16th?
• 1:13:37
  No, it's definitely not worthy. 16th where?
• 1:13:40
  Do you where do you think, where do you think they are or should
• 1:13:43
  be with a competent? Manager at the end of the
• 1:13:45
  transfer window I said we'll be lucky to get 7th.
• 1:13:47
  The same for top half temp. OK, no, but not I wouldn't say I
• 1:13:52
  want to say I want to say yeah, it's challenging for that last.
• 1:13:56
  Position in yeah, yeah. So you're like us then. 6th,
• 1:13:59
  7th. Yeah, yeah.
• 1:14:01
  But rapper. But then but then you're
• 1:14:03
  thinking, but then if we over perform you might challenge 5th
• 1:14:07
  like I think so on that on that basis.
• 1:14:11
  Type of performance on on that basis, Raj, I'm looking at the
• 1:14:13
  league table now. Our main challenges for that
• 1:14:16
  position, right? Newcastle, we're a point ahead
• 1:14:18
  of them. Aston Villa, we're a point ahead
• 1:14:20
  of them. Forest, who qualified for Europe
• 1:14:23
  last season, we're two points ahead of them.
• 1:14:24
  So we're well on track. Yeah.
• 1:14:26
  What's the problem? We're trending, Yeah, but OK,
• 1:14:30
  got. Sunderland Next?
• 1:14:32
  Let's say we beat Sunderland, Then what?
• 1:14:36
  I go back to it, right? So you say that, right, Coach?
• 1:14:39
  Just quickly, let's go, let's go back.
• 1:14:41
  First, I've got a start for you guys.
• 1:14:42
  Wait, wait, wait. First, you're saying that first
• 1:14:44
  game of the season we played Arsenal, right?
• 1:14:46
  Yeah, we're only 1.5 Chelsea, by the way. 1.5 Chelsea Arsenal
• 1:14:51
  played Newcastle yesterday, did anyone watch the game?
• 1:14:54
  Yeah. Yeah, I did.
• 1:14:55
  Yeah. Right.
• 1:14:56
  The way Newcastle played against Arsenal, the way compared to the
• 1:14:59
  way we played against Arsenal, it's night and day.
• 1:15:04
  Come on, we're nowhere near what, Newcastle?
• 1:15:07
  Deserve to win that, I thought. Newcastle did deserve to win
• 1:15:10
  that, but still, in terms of the style of football that Eddie
• 1:15:12
  Howe's got Newcastle playing, you can't pass in the same
• 1:15:15
  category and performing like Newcastle just because
• 1:15:18
  Newcastle, Newcastle 2 points behind us or something.
• 1:15:21
  One thing you would say isn't Eddie Howe has built his.
• 1:15:24
  We've got to play Eddie Howe for less than a point a game under
• 1:15:27
  him. You know, but Eddie Howe's.
• 1:15:28
  Sunderland are one point behind us in terms of the amount of
• 1:15:31
  points they've taken since April.
• 1:15:34
  And he's been there since last August, or whatever is last.
• 1:15:37
  November Sunderland have taken 11 points Since April, United
• 1:15:41
  have taken 12 points. Arrest my case.
• 1:15:45
  Yeah, but Ash, no one's not. We're all saying that.
• 1:15:48
  We're not. We're not denying that, but
• 1:15:49
  we're saying we can't take Marco Silver.
• 1:15:51
  Yeah. How many point does Marco Silva
• 1:15:53
  got in this period? I want to.
• 1:15:55
  Replace for Fulham. He manages Fulham.
• 1:15:57
  OK, so let's let's wrap this section.
• 1:15:59
  We'll all say if we're in charge of the club, what are you doing?
• 1:16:04
  Are you sticking with Reuben? And if you're replacing him, who
• 1:16:06
  are you replacing him when? Today.
• 1:16:07
  Replacing him today though. Today, Yeah, yeah.
• 1:16:10
  So Raj, we'll go with you first having talked about some of the
• 1:16:14
  names, just just quickly, but before you say I'll just reel
• 1:16:17
  off. So obviously, we talked about
• 1:16:18
  Glasner, Southgate, Ollie also in the mix kind of in those odds
• 1:16:23
  slightly further than Southgate. You've got Poch, who's obviously
• 1:16:26
  USA manager ahead of the World Cup.
• 1:16:27
  That's not happening. Sedan, I think you.
• 1:16:30
  Could get Poch. Not now.
• 1:16:33
  Unless Donald Trump has something to say, I don't.
• 1:16:35
  Know you've got sedan, sedan, sedan and Shabi are also kind of
• 1:16:38
  like similar odds. So I said those are kind of your
• 1:16:42
  we've kind of touched on them, right.
• 1:16:43
  Those are your realistic names like Glasner, Southgate, Shavi,
• 1:16:47
  Ollie, Marco Silva, Iriola. That's probably.
• 1:16:51
  Sean Dice bet Sean Dice is available.
• 1:16:53
  He said David sorry, did. David So yeah, my choice, My
• 1:16:57
  choice was Zadan before 10 Hawk when when it was run that time I
• 1:17:01
  was like, you have to. And then there was rumours that
• 1:17:03
  we might go game and then there was a plenty of language
• 1:17:06
  borough. So the down was always one of my
• 1:17:08
  favourites. But right now you're in the
• 1:17:10
  middle of the season. You need someone to come in and
• 1:17:13
  just create good feeling. So when you think about it, it's
• 1:17:15
  got to be South K Ollie, which sounds, which sounds absolutely.
• 1:17:20
  No, no, it's fair. You've got to consider the point
• 1:17:23
  you're at, right? If this was the summer.
• 1:17:24
  It's the season right now you need to get through to next
• 1:17:26
  summer and just like and just like end it.
• 1:17:29
  Just, I don't know, but it's got to be.
• 1:17:31
  It's got to be. On the boot, the boost, if the
• 1:17:35
  main man Salsa turns up. I mean the fans as well.
• 1:17:38
  The fans would love it. Would do it.
• 1:17:42
  No, no, I don't think they will. No, but I so look where where is
• 1:17:46
  Zidane right now? Is he just got his feet up from
• 1:17:49
  Madrid? Chilly Zidane is not going to
• 1:17:51
  take the job because he doesn't need, you know, English.
• 1:17:53
  He doesn't need it. He's he's, he's loving his.
• 1:17:55
  Life, he's done everything. He's completely football coach.
• 1:17:58
  So the only thing no Zidane will leave retirement for the French
• 1:18:02
  national team job. Basically.
• 1:18:05
  Us He, he. I'll say what I said in the
• 1:18:08
  summer. I would have.
• 1:18:09
  I would have happily got Ruben out in the summer.
• 1:18:11
  If you give me the name I like, and if you're giving me the
• 1:18:14
  names I love in my heart, I'm delusional.
• 1:18:16
  I'm an idiot. I'm not the smartest guy in the
• 1:18:18
  room. I'm the least smartest guy in
• 1:18:20
  the room and most emotional guy in the room.
• 1:18:22
  Give me the game names I love. I will happily go with those.
• 1:18:25
  Just to confirm, who's the big name that you love?
• 1:18:28
  I mean, we've we talked to Faisal Islam about it and we
• 1:18:31
  nearly convinced him. But you know, for me, I would
• 1:18:34
  love to see Gareth Southgate get a club management job.
• 1:18:37
  I think he deserves the opportunity.
• 1:18:39
  I think he's a guy that can handle the big environment.
• 1:18:41
  How many bloody interviews does Sky Sports News need to have of
• 1:18:44
  our manager? Every time I see Ruben Ameren
• 1:18:46
  doing another interview that Southgate can handle all that
• 1:18:49
  nonsense, all the noise, all the all this thing, bring in a nice
• 1:18:52
  coaching team under him. To say that you don't have a
• 1:18:54
  coaching team, that you have the set piece coach.
• 1:18:56
  I mean Pep just brought in Pep. Linda's right, the Clopsex
• 1:18:59
  assistant. You're going to have the
• 1:19:01
  assistant manager who does the day-to-day stuff, bring in some
• 1:19:04
  good guys on the day-to-day stuff.
• 1:19:06
  I've suggested my man Michael Carrick with, you know, trying
• 1:19:09
  if you can persuade Kira McKenna to leave Ipswich as well.
• 1:19:12
  Bring the bring the triumvirate in that I suggested all the way
• 1:19:16
  back when, you know, 10 hug was there 100%.
• 1:19:19
  I'm behind that. I'm not having Marco Silva.
• 1:19:22
  I'm I'm sticking Ruben over Marco Silva.
• 1:19:24
  That's how much I don't rate Marco Silva.
• 1:19:26
  If I'm not having another Portuguese guy who's even more
• 1:19:29
  bought, he's more boring. It would just do my head in.
• 1:19:33
  So give me. One until he gets you results,
• 1:19:35
  but yeah. You ain't going to get his
• 1:19:37
  results, so of course you will. Anyone we know, we know we know
• 1:19:40
  how to have. Coaching.
• 1:19:41
  I'd rather have Coach Raj than Reuben Amerin.
• 1:19:45
  So Marco Marco Silva is the Portuguese Sean Daish.
• 1:19:49
  That's all he is. Anyone can do A442 mid block if
• 1:19:53
  he's the most Portuguese mid block manager in the history of
• 1:19:56
  Portuguese mid block. And you know what?
• 1:19:58
  It would stop the embarrassment, so I'm fine with that.
• 1:20:01
  If you're going to go, if you're honestly, if you're going to go
• 1:20:03
  Portuguese boring guy, just bring in Joe's.
• 1:20:06
  Hey, at least you're going to have some entertainment.
• 1:20:08
  I'll stick to you if you have the inspiration.
• 1:20:10
  No, I, I I Rubens and. Waffler.
• 1:20:13
  I'll back the Southgate plan and one reason is because we
• 1:20:16
  obviously lost Fergie, right? And that's like 3 or 4 roles in
• 1:20:19
  one. You've got like a director of
• 1:20:21
  football, you've got a coach, we've got no structure at the
• 1:20:24
  club, you've got Jason Wilcox. I think you need someone like
• 1:20:27
  Southgate to actually steady the ship.
• 1:20:30
  And yeah, I agree. You need coach, you need good
• 1:20:32
  coaches underneath him and you need to just get through the
• 1:20:35
  next the rest of the season, possibly another season while
• 1:20:38
  you plan for the next guy. So I agree.
• 1:20:41
  But they don't have a plan. That's the.
• 1:20:42
  Problem. Oh, that's a separate debate.
• 1:20:44
  We're talking about what we what we, we would do, right.
• 1:20:46
  So I would get the biggest thing.
• 1:20:47
  And Raj, Raj, you'd agree with this, right?
• 1:20:49
  The biggest thing is in recruitment, the plan has to be
• 1:20:52
  get better footballers in the club.
• 1:20:53
  We're not going to win anything with any.
• 1:20:54
  You got a Pep Guardiola with this team, We're not winning the
• 1:20:57
  league. The biggest thing is having a
• 1:21:00
  good manager who can work with the this hierarchy to stable
• 1:21:04
  state leadership and make sure the next transfer window is 1
• 1:21:07
  you approve of because he has a good good eye for players and he
• 1:21:10
  knows what the team needs. So as on that point then do you,
• 1:21:13
  do you not think any of us have totally messed up because what
• 1:21:16
  was it 8-9 months ago, Dan Ashworth made this suggestion
• 1:21:21
  and got fired for her? Yeah.
• 1:21:23
  You know my views on that. I think it was, yeah, that was a
• 1:21:27
  bit of a calamity, right? The whole Dan Ash with Saga and
• 1:21:30
  I, I, I, I felt the names that he was suggesting May 10th.
• 1:21:33
  So yeah. One of them was Marco Silva.
• 1:21:36
  So final chance, Ash, is that Is that your man?
• 1:21:39
  That might be I listened. I listened to what I've seen.
• 1:21:43
  I'm not like getting into your peer pressure of like Ollie non
• 1:21:46
  Southgate. Yeah.
• 1:21:49
  So what? Yeah.
• 1:21:50
  So. Marco Silva.
• 1:21:52
  Yeah, I'll take Marco Silva 100%.
• 1:21:54
  Main matter of everyone in the world right now you want.
• 1:21:57
  More No, no, no. This is what's available today,
• 1:22:00
  OK? Don't.
• 1:22:00
  Don't start doing a daily failure.
• 1:22:02
  No, no, no, no, no. All the names we've mentioned
• 1:22:04
  Raj, right? Is it Dan Glass?
• 1:22:06
  No. To be fair, Ashley, your number
• 1:22:08
  one man is Eddie Howe. Like he said that in.
• 1:22:10
  Previous post I I'd take Eddie Howe, but like as we've said,
• 1:22:13
  like it's probably not realistic, so let's go with
• 1:22:17
  what's that? I'd like to take Erola now, but
• 1:22:20
  I actually agree with of ours, like now, now that we've missed
• 1:22:23
  the window of like being able to fire Reuben, the summer's gone.
• 1:22:29
  It's just I need to, I need a little bit stability now.
• 1:22:32
  I hate doing stability because I've I've had this argument with
• 1:22:35
  ours previously. I prefer high ceiling coaches,
• 1:22:40
  but I'm sick and tired of losing every week, being embarrassed
• 1:22:43
  every week. Like all these stats, they're
• 1:22:45
  just utterly embarrassing. I just need someone to study the
• 1:22:48
  ship and for me that's going to be Mark.
• 1:22:51
  Got a question, do you think they're going to suck him?
• 1:22:54
  Yes. They will just a matter of when
• 1:22:57
  so so in. November.
• 1:22:59
  Yeah, We, we've, we've got this. That's the bet.
• 1:23:01
  That's when do you think? No, but we all think.
• 1:23:03
  It's going to. Suck him, that's the bet.
• 1:23:06
  So the bet they'll suck him in 1st of November because we'll if
• 1:23:10
  we get battered at Liverpool that's the end of it.
• 1:23:12
  But he they won't press the button until November just
• 1:23:16
  because of the 12 mil. They're poor as fuck.
• 1:23:18
  They they, they need to save the money.
• 1:23:20
  Yeah, they. Say that.
• 1:23:22
  Look how much money you spent in the summer.
• 1:23:23
  Yes, because we've extended our credit facility.
• 1:23:26
  It's like extending your overdraft or your credit card.
• 1:23:29
  So let's say Raj, me and me and us have got the bet basically.
• 1:23:31
  So if it's before the 1st of November, I win, we're going out
• 1:23:35
  for Rudy's and if it's post 1st of November, US wins and he's
• 1:23:40
  paying for Rudy's. So that's the bet it's.
• 1:23:44
  And the key to that is there's an international break, right?
• 1:23:48
  The 9th of November, between the 9th and the 22nd is an
• 1:23:51
  international break. So for me, you cut, if you cut
• 1:23:55
  him just maybe before that set of games or just after that set
• 1:24:01
  of games, and you've got that two week period where you do the
• 1:24:04
  whole thing, you've got that two week.
• 1:24:05
  To me, that's the perfect time all.
• 1:24:07
  Right, on that note, we'll wrap it up there.
• 1:24:09
  Thanks for tuning into this one, and we'll catch you on the next
• 1:24:12
  episode.