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With that being said, let me introduce my guest today. He's a TV psychologist. The one, the only Dr. Steve is back with us again. Now, Dr. Steve was on Voice of the Voices with me and my co-host Maddie. I invited him to come back because we're gonna flip the conversation a little bit. We talked a little bit about what he was doing in that area. And things like that. But Dr. Steve, let's talk about your archetypes. You know, all the things I know we mentioned it during Voice of Voiceless. You had all these archetypes and things like that. so let's dig into that a little bit more. Let's dig into how you came up them, what some of them would be, and then you kinda go from there. Dr. Steve: Sure. Happy to talk about Pete "mental health champ": So w how did you come up with the archetypes though? Is this like something from over the years of your research and things like that? Dr. Steve: Yeah, so I've been doing work with reality TV shows for about 20 years now. And you know, I've been working with various shows, whether they're social experiments like the Big Brother franchise or cooking shows like the MasterChef franchise, dating shows like The Bachelor Franchise, Housewives, a whole variety of different reality shows. And over the years I've noticed that in order for the show to be successful, there's certain types That we get on the show that really helped make it work. But then I also noticed these types are basically mirror images of the people in our lives, the people that we deal with every day, whether it's at work, in our family, among our friends. So so I started paying more attention to these characters and describing them and came up with about 12 archetypes, as I call them. That we see. Now, you know, you're not locked into one of these archetypes. We sometimes, you know, move or shift from one to the other. sometimes, for example, we may be more of a villain, we do some bad stuff, but then on another day, we may switch into something else. We may be more of a social butterfly and relate to a lot of people. But that's basically how I came up with it over the years of observing these shows and and analyzing some of the people that I worked with. Pete "mental health champ": Yeah. Yeah. You know, and it's it's interesting though, like twenty years and all the different people, the different show formats and things like that, and you know, all all the different settings, you know, like someone has to be the villain in some of these, you know, like Big Brother, I would feel like fits best for that kind of thing, though, you know, like you have to have that one person everybody hates, so everybody hates on and you know, and and things like that too. You think about Jersey Shore 'cause a long time Mike was the one for the one they didn't like here in the States. They didn't like him, you know, and it's it it's always it's always interesting though. But I remember you were telling us about it. But that's interesting though, because it's like out all these years you're looking at these people, you're watching them play these different roles and you're like, you what, you notice a pattern that they all fit into these certain categories, you know. So what are the twelve different archetypes? Dr. Steve: Well, they include things like the confessional philosopher. That's the person who kind of tells you what's happening. You know, they tell the camera, this one's doing this and that one's doing that. And they really have kind of an inside scope on what's going on. It's they don't just see what's going on, you know, Mary and Sue are in a big fight. They say, you know, I think Mary's concerned because she's not getting enough attention, or she really Pete "mental health champ": Yeah. Dr. Steve: wants to get at Fred. So that's what I call the confessional philosopher. Another one, We see is the chaos agent. This is the person who just raises havoc. They don't even know they're doing it sometimes. It's like shaking up a pop can and opening it in front of everyone. They come in and they say something or they challenge someone, and the whole place explodes as a result of it. And that's a sort of chaos agent. And then we usually have someone who is what I call the overcompetitor. They think they're in the Olympic Games. They come in here, they're going to win every challenge. They don't care who they foot they step on, you know, who hates Pete "mental health champ": Right. Dr. Steve: them. I just want to win. I, you know, I see the the gold at the end, the pot of gold at the end, and I'm gonna do whatever it takes to get there. and that person, you know, rarely makes it to the end because people get pretty upset with them that of the way they behave in terms of trying to win. someone that we kind of love is the underdog with a heart of gold. There's someone you don't even notice them in the first few episodes. They're just sort of under the radar. But you know, they're observing and they're paying attention and getting a th a handle on what's going on. And then all of a sudden, maybe the third, fourth, or fifth episode, they rise up. You see this person, and you really like them because, you know, they've been quiet. They've been doing little things under the radar, but they're a good person. You know, they're really trying to help others and And you see them that way. And I call them the underdog. And sometimes they do go on and win the game. Then we always have the strategist or the mastermind. You know, that's someone who's really deep-seated plotting, you know, everything. They know the game, they know the structure, they know who's going to make what move, and then who's going to make the next move and where they're going to fit in. But they're more of an observer than a participant. Once they start jumping into the fray and being a participant. That's usually their downfall. That's when they start to lose. But they're really good at analyzing everything. They know that this one is gonna, you know, make an alliance with that one and they're gonna throw out this other one and and how it all is gonna play out. And then of course, we have to have the comic relief because you gotta Pete "mental health champ": Mm-hmm, mm-hmm. Dr. Steve: laugh when it gets tense or things happen. And and the person, you know, maybe doesn't even intend to be funny, but they're naturally funny. I love these people when I see them. They just sort of come in and they're gonna do a raise, but they trip over the start line before it even starts. Or they try and answer a quiz and and they give the dumbest answer, not realizing what's going on. but we have to laugh. They make us laugh, they make everyone in in the program laugh because just the way they are and the way they do things. So good shows really get someone positioned as the comic relief. And then, of course, we have the hot mess express. The hot mess express. Is that person who's just emoting all over the place? They're crying. They may be laughing. They get angry. They have all these emotions. They just bleed emotions all over the place. And and for whatever reason, audiences love to watch these people implode, right? They break into tears. Somebody took their shoes or whatever, and they freak out over that whole thing. So that's the hot mess express. Then we tend to have sort of the mom-dad of the house. This is kind of the calming, you know, person who, whenever there's a conflict or a fight, they sort of step in, they just say a few words and everybody calms down. You know, they're the person everyone trusts. They're usually a little bit older than the other candidates, but they know how to sort of smooth things out between people when things get rough. Then we all also have the social butterfly. And this is the person who goes from person to person, group to group, being everybody's friend. But in the end, they're nobody's friend, right? Because everybody thinks they're working against them from the other side. Because they don't pay attention to when they're good to our team. We look at when they're playing with the other team and we get suspicious Pete "mental health champ": Yeah. Dr. Steve: over that person. So that's your sort of social butterfly. And finally, we have the producer's dream. And the producer's dream is the person who just basically does what production wants. You know, they they say the right things, they do the right things. they move in the right direction. they give great confessionals when they're speaking to the camera. they tell you basically what you need for the story to work, right? Because the editors have a hard time piecing everything together to make a a coherent story. And your producer's dream is that person who can link what happened yesterday to what's happening today and kind of explain what's going on. and that makes the show work really smoothly. So those are your your different archetypes and they really help us when it comes to making the show work. Pete "mental health champ": You know, people now are gonna be listening to this going, Okay, now I'm gonna start design to pick out these different people along the way, you know. Dr. Steve: I hope so. I hope so. Pete "mental health champ": Well it'll be fun though. Think about it, because now you can sit there and identify people. and I know Dr. Steve and I talked about this on Voice of the Voiceless. He said he was working on a a workbook for it too, that we could take a test that Maddie and I could take and try and see which one we are. And we're gonna try and guess by the end. We told him when he gets it done to come back and talk to us and we would take the test. And then Maddie and I would just try and figure out whose type we are at the end of the show. We'll reveal which one we got though. But I thought it was pretty fun though. I I think it's really cool. I think it's I think it's really interesting because people don't think look at it from that aspect. But you know, all we see all these different characters and things like that too. And I know when we were talking, you were the guy they called in when a lot of these guys started going through these mental health issues and things, and you come in and check in on them and things like that as well. and and stuff like that too. You know, which I thought was really interesting because it's like you're you're doing a lot of juggling because you have to go to different situations, you know, and you'll you'll you probably already can identify which ones you know are gonna need more attention versus the other ones that don't. So you're already knowing, okay, well, you get a call. Okay, yeah. And you hear so you hear the person's name, you're just like, Yeah, already that was it. I'm coming. All right, I got this. You know, you already are planning in your mind, okay, I guarantee I'm gonna get more calls for this person versus this person over here in stuff like that too, you know. But I mean, we we love a reality TV. Think about it, T V got taken over by reality TV. Used to be music videos and now we just we don't even have T V anymore. I think they've been shut down recently, ceased production. You know, but that's all it was. It all went to reality TV shows, you know, and all these other shows they have now. It's like it's it's a new reality show popping up from something new, like some weird things. you know, what is it? Love after lockup and all these other random ones that just show up, you know. I think some of the interesting ones are the ones where you get the people that are dealing with mental health disorders, like the the one with the Tourette syndrome. And I can't think the name of it, but we were discussing it with somebody that actually had Tourette's. and we were talking to him and he was telling me that, you know, that it's not what it seems. Like that what they're showing is that small percentage of what happens to people that actually have Tourette's, it's not like that. You know, it's the same thing with OCD. When people talk about, I'm so OCD, they have no idea what they're even talking about because I've interviewed somebody with them. We've discussed that. And she wrote a book and it's called Whispers Worry, and she was telling me about like what it's like to actually have OCD, you know, and and people like Like to exacerbate these things and start saying these things, well, you're so narcissistic and all these you know what I mean? Like all these things you see, like the like the internet is becoming our new version of reality TV because you have the one person sending out the doing the villain parts, you know, and some of these archetypes will show up if you start watching some of these creators and the things they're doing and the things they're saying. They'd fall into some of those categories too, but we're still getting that that sensation we want when we're watching s reality TV. Dr. Steve: Yeah, it's interesting you mentioned Tourette's because on one of the episodes of Big Brother Canada, we we cast somebody with Tourette's. And you know, there was a lot of concern about that at first, even from his family. You know, should he be doing this? Is it safe? You know, what do you think? But you know what? It was his dream. It was his dream to be on Big Brother. So Pete "mental health champ": Mm-hmm. Dr. Steve: and what happened? We talked about it before, you know, we started airing. And I said, you know. wouldn't this be an interesting way for you to tell people what Tourette's is like? You know, he had had a tough life, people had teased him growing up, and you know, you get bullied with with a disorder like that. Said wouldn't it be great you have an opportunity in a confessional to tell all you know millions of viewers, this is what Tourette's is, this is what I've experienced, this is what it's like, and this is how I deal with it or how I cope with it. And and by the way, look at me. This is my dream to be on a TV show. So if you are suffering from this out there, look at me and the opportunity that I've been given to fulfill one of my dreams of my life. And it worked out really well for him. And he was actually, you know, really like when at the end of the show, he told me like that was the most support he ever had, you know, growing up. It was so difficult for him in school and in the neighborhood. But on the show, the cast was so supportive and the crew. That it was just it was a lifeline. And like his his parents couldn't believe in the end that this had such a beneficial effect on him. And we've had a number of other similar kinds of situations, such as OCD and ADHD, and a number of other Pete "mental health champ": Mm-hmm. Dr. Steve: mental health issues where instead of excluding these people, it's an opportunity for them, you know, once we judge it safe enough and they're going to be able to make it through, it's an opportunity for them to talk about their experience and educate people out there. on what it's like to have mental challenges and how they Pete "mental health champ": Yeah. Dr. Steve: cope with them and deal with them. Pete "mental health champ": Yeah, you know, you're right. It is. It's a it's a great thing because people can see what it actually looks like versus some of these these other things are portrayed in a whole different way. Like or they show that very slim margin, you know, like you know, the ten percent with the one with the girl with the Tourette's TV show where she always has the outbursts and things, or like, you know, Deuce Bigelow. Remember the girl in the crowd, she was just having those outbursts all of a sudden, and it was like, Yeah, but this is not reality of what goes on though. I think that's great though, they that we got him on there though, because People could see it from a different line. Okay, now I I see what some of these guys deal with and this is what they deal with because a lot of people when they start sharing their stories, they don't get the same thing. You know, we've touched on a little bit about the internet's not a safe place for most people. Hell not even for kids. You think about it. Like we and a few other people got together and said fifty-four percent of adults are saying that it's negative effects are on kids and but it's but we don't stop But you know, you see countries like Australia and Canada that are trying to limit the access to it, but how do you do that is the question. And my thoughts were like you had to literally require a physical ID. Like you have to have them take a picture of the ID front and back to to limit them to get on there. And that may be the step you'll have to go to and it and you know for the end of the day, because it's not safe for these kids to be on there interacting with some of these other adults, you know. But I I love it though when shows do that. They bring in these people with different disabilities and things that way you can see that, you know, they're normal people. At the end of the day, it's just they have a little bit something different with them. That's all. And you know, then it brings light to what it really looks like, you know, because like OCD, people have really no idea what it's like for people at OCD. Everybody thinks they know what it is, they like to make jokes about it. You know, even even narcissists, you that's someone that gets tossed around a lot. People are like, you have narcissistic tendencies. Do you even know what that word means? The answer is probably no. You probably have no idea what the hell that even means. But you like to use it because it's the new catchphrase of the day or You know, it's like these videos, like like you see these suicide videos. God, Steve, they just drive me fucking crazy. well, after you take your life, da da da. It's like, please stop posting this crap. It is not helpful. You know Dr. Steve: Yeah. Pete "mental health champ": what I mean? And you you could agree to this. You know what I'm saying? Like if once you're at a certain point, you're not listening to any of those any of those things aren't gonna matter to you anymore. You know, and Dr. Steve: Yeah. Pete "mental health champ": if you're teetering, it may be the thing that pushes you over the edge because you're reminding somebody that, you know, they're the the fact that they already feel unseen everything else. You're confirming their fact by that video alone. It's like you see them doing it. And then there was another one that was similar to that, but it was a different style of it. And I like, I was like, I was like, stop. Stop posting these things. I get you're trying to be helpful, but do your research for the love of God. Like we have cell phones, we have these computers. Like, how about let's do a little research for five minutes and realize the message you're giving out is not the right message, you know, in and things like that too. Yeah, you know, it being men's mental health month, obviously we know what the statistics are. They're insane. They're insane. 80% are men. And it's all because we're programmed to been told not to say anything because we're supposed to we're we're weak or something else. Or, you know, depending on what generation you're talking. are you crying about something? And they start hassling you. Like I was joking with my girlfriend about something, and her dad's in the background going, Are you crying about something back there? Like, you know, I I could take a razzle. So I'm not worried about it. To me, I I'm okay with it. But you know what I mean? That you could see the generational gaps. It's like, you know. Back then for you guys it was, you know, you gotta be tough, you gotta be the macho man. Everything you see is just all these super buff guys. They think about like wrestlers too, you know, like all the wrestling guys. Big Jack bodybuilder guy. You know what I'm saying? Like it was the image, you know, Steven Segal, you had, you know, Arnold Schwarzenegger, Arnold you know, Sylvester Stallone. Think about Dr. Steve: Yeah. Pete "mental health champ": all big guys, you know, and that's just how it was. But you know, at the same time, we can't fault that because that's just what you guys grew up with. Your guys' mental health system back then was complete shit. Let's be honest. It was a it was a shamble. Like compared to now. But now it's Dr. Steve: It was different, dude. Yeah. Pete "mental health champ": it's it's different with all the new advancements and things that are coming out and people doing different things. I think it's great though. If you think about it, like a lot of this stuff, you know, could be used for good. You know, a lot of people talk therapy doesn't work for, you what I'm saying? Like I know people, but now you have all these different options of other things they can try, you know. And it's it's great though too because you know, then you can apply it to these reality TVs as well, you know, you can you can come in and and help them out in different ways, you know. And I I think that we need more shows that highlight some of these mental health disorders, you know, like BPD would be a great one too, just to show people what it's like and then somebody break it down for Have somebody come in like an expert, chime in. Hey, listen, these are the things you'll notice with these people. You what mean? Like educate these people more, but in a different way. Dr. Steve: Yeah, I think it's great. I mean, one of the shows I worked on was Intervention. And and there Pete "mental health champ": Mm. Dr. Steve: with addictions, we were doing that, right? We were having people with real difficult situations with substance abuse and alcohol abuse. And, you know, offering a way to get through that and and for people to see how challenging it is, because when Pete "mental health champ": Yeah. Dr. Steve: you have someone like that in your life, you know how difficult it is to to sort of live through that and manage it. And here was an opportunity through a TV show. To sort of help channel that and to actually pay for the rehabilitation for the detox. That was incredible. Like people who couldn't afford that kind of thing. And Pete "mental health champ": Yeah. Dr. Steve: and it would take people on the brink of suicide, on the brink of the on the edge, and through the intervention, for many of these people, was able to change their lives, the whole trajectory of their lives. And and along the way, again, we were educating people out there to be aware of this. Because, you know, part Pete "mental health champ": Mm-hmm. Dr. Steve: of the problem is how we treat people, that, you know, the stigma of mental health and and what people think about it. But here's an opportunity to see it and the person can say, you know, what works and what doesn't work when you deal with them, like what to say, what not to say, which things are are Pete "mental health champ": Yeah. Dr. Steve: the best ways to approach them, and to help destigmatize some of these things and you know, make it easier for these people to to survive and live in our society. Pete "mental health champ": Yeah, yeah, because they demonize them way too much. Like to I talk to I talked to a lot of people. I have friends that are ex addicts and things like that. Have told me stories like how they're it's so like they're so shunned for no reason. It's like they're not the same person like they were before. Like they told me what they were like and what they are now, how they act now, it's way differently. And we just demonize these people regardless of the fact that, you know, a lot of times maybe they're dealing with a mental health issue. That's why they started medicating themselves like that. And then he turned to these things to stop the sounds in their head and all these other whatever thing you want to put in there. But you're right though, they demonize these people. I loved shows like Intervention. Horrors was a great one too. Because people didn't get that. Like they these are extreme cases of things that people go through, you know, and I'm a ho such a hoarder. Okay, are you really? Because go watch hoarders. You wanna see what a hoarder looks like. Go look at this. These people and these things they're dealing with and how hard it is for them to get rid of stuff, you know. And it's it's, you know, a real eye opener for people when they see those things, you know. And it gets interesting because it's like, you know, people are just like always want to call something something, but it's like you'd always want to ask them, Do you know what that is? No. I just like to say it Yeah, you what I mean? Dr. Steve: Yeah, of course. And Pete "mental health champ": Like it's it's just ridiculous. Dr. Steve: Yeah, and we gotta really we really gotta get it out there, see what it's really about, educate people to know what's Pete "mental health champ": Mm-hmm. Dr. Steve: helpful, what's harmful. And in reality TV is just one vehicle, one sort of a new way or a different way of getting that across to people. And what I really like about it is that it reaches the masses. You know, we get a million Pete "mental health champ": Mm-hmm. Dr. Steve: to two million viewers watching who get to see this. and that's not the reason why they watch, right? They watch for the other drama that goes on in the show, but along the way, we can we can Can sneak in some education, some learning, something that you know can really benefit them. And I and I think it works well because very often when we look at you know the fan response, they're sympathetic to these people. They learn, they see them in a different way. And it's really important for them to feel that, to say, hey, you know what? People don't hate me out there. They they can understand what I'm going through, and that can be really helpful in the long run. Pete "mental health champ": Yeah, but see, that's funny though. It's like they see them there, but then you see the same exact thing in real life, but we're not reacting the same way, though. You notice that's the weird thing about it. It's like you see these people trade on TV, but then you see these actual people in your real everyday lives, and you have a different response to it. And it's like, why? It's the same exact person you just watched on television. They're right here in your actual life, they're in the same area you are in your physical space. And yet we can't be nicer to each other for some reason. We always have to go negative for some reason. We just thrive on just being total dickheads to everybody, you know, and it's like that on the internet. Like when we were talking about Maddie's story, or they were just they were just ripping into Batty. I'm like, dude, this is so fucked up. Don't listen to she's like telling me this story. I remember originally when we met, she was telling me the whole thing, and I was like, like, what the fuck? I'm like, this is crazy. Eight she's like 18 of the medications, telling her story on the internet, saying people are telling her to go to the You know, and saying all these harsh things and it's like, but why? But if she was on reality TV, I guarantee Maddie would get a whole different response. everybody we'd be sympathetic to her. You know what I'm saying? It it's just like why? That makes no sense. Dr. Steve: Yeah, it's it's it's a different environment, you know, and it's it's set up that way. And it's it's the whole thing is really education and it's gonna take a long time Pete "mental health champ": Mm-hmm. Dr. Steve: to filter through. And I think when you're exposed to more people going through these challenges, it's gonna make it better or easier to understand what's going on. So we just have to keep at it, we have to keep educating, we have to keep exposing people to some of these areas and what's going on and what's Pete "mental health champ": Yeah. Dr. Steve: behind them. And hopefully we can make some changes. It it's hard to go against the internet. I mean, people are looking at TikTok and you know all day long and getting these impressions Pete "mental health champ": Mm. Dr. Steve: and it's really hard to fight against some of these negative impressions that are coming out. Pete "mental health champ": Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You know, TikTok especially. I mean, it's a good or bad. It could be depending on what your algorithm's sending you. Like mine, I get a lot of different people that do like they go live and they talk about mental health. There's a girl from California I had on the show. She she hosts a live where she starts educating people about things and talking about different scenarios and all these different things that she's gone through. And, you know, I think that these These sites are there's people out there doing good. Like we're showing, like having these conversations. I know I am. I know a few other people are now joining the group. I had another young lady actually the other day reached out to me, asking me to start a podcast. I said, What field do you what area you want to get in? And she said, Mental health. I Well, welcome to the space. I said, just understand that just because there's many people out there doesn't mean anything. Your voice is what matters at the end of the day. You know, you joining this big conversation to push to try and get people to talk. But this is a girl who deals with a lot of things on her own. and things like that too. So it'll be it's an interesting perspective because now you have somebody who's dealing with a lot of these really severe it conditions and things like that. And she's out there and she wants to make she wants to talk to people and things like that too. And I'm like, there you go. That are just, you know, if you want to go solo, do a solo thing where you you share your experience, what it's like. There was a girl I know that at that had BBD. She was sharing them every day with people and the response she was getting was really, really great. People were excited. That she had gone this mile to share everything that she was going through. I'm like, you know, maybe bring light to people that what you're dealing with so they know what it's like, you know, and what you're dealing, you know, and there's a couple other people that do that, but you know, like then you get these other people, like this guy, God, I I still to this day remember this dude. He told me that if you're depressed to go back to when you were 18. And I'm thinking, what if I hated myself at 18? Did you ever think of that part? And it's just like He's spewing out this stuff, and I'm like, Yeah, I gotta block. I can't be near you, man. Like at first, he was really cool, and then he started talking, and I was like, Yeah, it's time for you to go. I I can't be a part of this. I I have to distance myself. And he got mad because it did. He's like, Well, what did you block me? Because, dude, you're spewing things that aren't right. Like you're telling people that if they're depressed, they go back to when they're 18. Dude, do you understand that most people at 18 probably didn't like themselves? We don't know what everybody's past is. You know, and and the more these people that come out start sharing some of it, and some of them have some disturbing stories, like there's whoo, there's some that I've had for this past season I just wrapped up that were intense. Like you you go out sharing these stories. The girl who was who was sexually assaulted as a six years old said that she was getting harassed online and people are making fun of her because she was sharing that story. And I'm like I got mad. I was looking at the camera, like, dude, you want to bully somebody. Here's my here's my here's where you can find me. Come on. Come bring it on because that's disgusting for you to give this woman all this help for something she didn't choose. And then all the lifelong things she's gonna have to deal with and all the issues she's gonna have with her relationship, you know? And then, you know, it it's just it's disgusting. Like you hear it's like the internet doesn't have to be like this, you know. We we can be more supportive of each other, you know, and one one kind comment's all it takes, man. Like, why can't you just become if it's not your tup of tea, just slide past? Like, you know. I feel like a lot more of these sites need to police their things, which in fact Facebook now has to because they got in trouble now that someone finally started holding them accountable for the things that were getting said. You know, like a lot think about a lot of these school shooters, they go to their social medias and see the things that they're saying out there. These these crazy t statements they're making, all these wild things they're saying. You know, but now Facebook is being held accountable. That's why now they have Instagram kids, because Facebook and Instagram are a part of the same company. Because now the parents can monitor who they're talking to and things like that, which is a great step. Well, we should have done that a long time ago. Dr. Steve: Yeah, it's a it's a real challenge. I mean, you get a lot of bad stuff happening out there Pete "mental health champ": Mm-hmm. Dr. Steve: and there's no controls. It's not even I mean, we don't even socially control. We don't even say, hey, we're gonna shun you because you're out there doing, you know, saying a lot of messed up stuff Pete "mental health champ": Yeah, exactly. Dr. Steve: to people. So unfortunately it's been the wild west of of what goes on. And Pete "mental health champ": Yeah. Yeah. Dr. Steve: it's gonna take some time to really to deal with those people. But as long as they feel they can say anything they want and it makes them feel good to put other people down. That's gonna be a challenge, you know. They have this this sort of negative way of getting attention. And we have to sort of shun those people. We have to show that those people are not acceptable, you know, and we don't wanna listen to their messages and and give them less attention instead of more attention. That's what we have to do Pete "mental health champ": Yeah. Dr. Steve: to turn it around. Pete "mental health champ": Yeah, I think I agree a hundred percent. I think we stop we stop engaging them and we just ignore or block Just just block mute whatever you can do on whatever these sites are, and things like that too. Just don't give in to the negativity because that's what they're looking for, reaction from you. That's why they're saying these things. So they want you to say something. I'm trying to think what's his name. The guy the guy used to make these videos. This is what I used to eat at Will Kelly. There you go. This guy named Will Kelly, okay? He goes online. Talking about, I used to be 555 pounds. This is what it eats. So he'd go in and give an example of what he would order. But there's videos of him just like going off the rails about things. And I'm just like, dude, like, this is what they want from you. This you're you're playing into their hands by going live and talking to these people and then getting rude to them. And these are people that are following you, man. You're sitting here yelling at them, and it's like, you now you're making people look like evil people that are on the internet, everybody's evil because you're over here acting a fool and it's just all over the place. It's like the minute you start acting a fool, it's everywhere. But the minute you do good, wait we don't talk about that. We can't we can't talk about the good things because that doesn't that doesn't get clicks. We want the drama. So you know it's like these guys it's just like a soap opera for some of them, you know, and it's like when people find out the real story about some of them, like what was the other guy? Scotty Fitness or something. He was like so like locked into his own thing. Like he was big in the fitness community. He was really locked in. But they said people said that they met him. He was so he was so worried about, look at my follower account. And they're dude, you need to stop worrying about that. It's not like that. You need to you know, these guys were trying to mentor him, you know, and things like that. But then when it came all out, he had turned his back on everybody. And then it became a just a a Wild West show of just slandering each other back and forth and things. And it's like, why, dude? Why? Just block him and move on. Like, don't even respond to him. It's like, well, I'm responding. I'm like, Why, man? It's like a soap opera here. You're just watching them and people are just feeding up because we like our reality TV. But this is this is playing in life right now. This isn't a show. This is reality. These guys are really going at it. So they're handing and it and it's scary, man. It's it really is. You know, I worry about what these kids these days are going to be seeing in 10 years, you know, if we don't start doing something now. You know, especially talking about our mental health because like everybody's like, we're talking about it more. But look at the numbers, man. Look at the numbers. 10 to 14 this year alone went up. Dr. Steve: Unbelievable. Pete "mental health champ": That's scary. Dr. Steve: And and the real crazy thing about it, which I wrote in one of my other books, is that we've learned so much more. We've so much more science. You know how many articles are published on mental health and the scientific journals every day? Pete "mental health champ": What I this is what I'm saying. Dr. Steve: Thousands. The knowledge is there, but we're getting worse, you know. And the reality is we're finding more problems, more issues are affecting us. So something's not going right. I mean, we're there's a big disconnect between what people are publishing and writing out there on the science Pete "mental health champ": Mm-hmm. Dr. Steve: side and what gets into society and makes a real difference with people. And you know, we're just sort of missing the boat on on how to how to deal with some of these issues and turn it around. It's it's been tough. Pete "mental health champ": I think you just hit it on the head. It's because, you know, you say all you like you said, there's all these great articles, but yet again, it's not what we want. We want drama. We don't we the good stuff gets pushed to the side. Think about it. Whenever mental health is brought up, it's always like, okay. Then they brush it on the rug. Like we mentioned it for five seconds. it's a big catching point. And then all of a sudden it's like they go completely off topic. And it's like, What? That was your that was your catcher to get people coming. we're gonna talk about and then you go into some other tangent and it has nothing to do with it, even though you have all these great articles that people are publishing. And all these different people are doing these great things, you know, stuff like what you're doing too, you know, these books and and these things that people write. It's like, you know, all the information on our fingertips, but we're not using it. We're choosing to do whatever else. We're like, well, it takes five minutes for me to go look up some facts and you can find a ton of facts because I've done it. I have an an AI bot that actually creates like little different quotes and things every day for inspirational quotes every day for people and things like that too, just to see what it does. I was testing it. in things like that. So I've got it trying it now to see how it works. But you know what I'm saying? Like it's like there's so many things, but we can't use it for anything good. We have to use it for evil for some reason. We all want to be the villain of the story. And then Dr. Steve: Yeah. Pete "mental health champ": when you get that one person tries to be the hero, the hero gets burnt out because they're trying to do it all by themselves, you know, in and things like that too. But you know that's why I I I love doing this show though, for that reason. Dr. Steve: Well, we got Yeah. Well, we gotta turn it around. You're part of that, you know, turning it around, getting Pete "mental health champ": Mm-hmm. Dr. Steve: it out there, getting the message out there, telling people that you're never gonna be a winner or being a villain. It's it's just you're not gonna come out on top at the end. You're not gonna feel good Pete "mental health champ": Right. Dr. Steve: about it. And it it's gonna take a bit of time, but we gotta keep that message going out there that there's more good to be had by being on the right Pete "mental health champ": Yeah. Dr. Steve: side as opposed to being on the wrong side. Pete "mental health champ": That that's why, like I said, that girl said she wants to join the space with us. I was like, Let's go, come on, welcome in. I'm welcome, everybody, to come in. You wanna come do this thing? Let's go. You need some help along the way? I got you. I'm there. Like, I don't mind helping you. My girlfriend was like, she's like, Well, don't tell her all the tricks. That's I'm like, What do you mean? She wants to be a part of this message. Why not educate her the right way? Show her the things so she doesn't make the same mistakes a lot of people do before. If anything, I can help her. Why not? Let her join this space. We might as well. And it's better, like I said, that she she deals with some severe stuff. So it'd be awesome to get her perspective on things and the interesting conversations she can have and the so many people she can relate to because then, you know, she may get a different variety of guests because she had deals with these certain things and she may get a lot of those people in that niche area where she's at, you know, in that little spot or that have the same thing because, you know. least this people coming on be okay, well at least she understands how some of this stuff works. And you know, it'd be interesting to hear some of these conversations that they could unfold to and we could learn so much more about these communities. I know one girl I had on, she interviewed a hundred people in the same area and she had to really work her way into this space because these guys are really protective. The the dissociative disorder community. Dr. Steve: Right. Mm-hmm. Pete "mental health champ": She got into their community and was in there interviewing people and telling them like she told them the outcome of is like I'm gonna write a book, but I wanna write it from the aspect of actual facts of what you guys are dealing with, what it's like to be you. You know, this isn't about a money game, it's about getting your your guys' story out there so people better understand what you're dealing with. But she did it in a fictional, like storytelling way. So she used this character to represent somebody that's dealing with it, but she used actual facts from this community that she had earned her way into and was very Very tough to get into. We were talking about it. She like, Yeah, I interviewed a hundred different people and asked them about, you know, their their situation and just like kind of like talk to them for a little bit to see what it's like. You know, we've we actually had another guest on that had DID. Actually, chew now. The one originally I talked to, I only knew very little, but you could tell she was there was something different about her because it was still different mannerisms. She would switch up her manualism, the body language would change, you know, the facial feature, you know, like all these things that would look like, you know. But you know, the other one was really interesting too. But yeah, the girl who wrote that book, Danielle, she she was really interesting because she was like, She's like, I went and interviewed a hundred people. I was like, Okay, that's that's a grab her attention right there. yeah, I want to talk to you because I'm interested. What it what is it like? You know, like my idea is like, what is it like? I wanna know, like, what did you learn? Like, what can we know more about these people for people that may meet somebody that might have this? You know, because it's it's a very rare thing to meet somebody that has that kind of thing, but You know, 'cause like who's gonna tell you, well I have D I D and then they know what go look up what it is and find out it used to be called multi you what I mean? People are gonna be like, What the hell is going on? You know, and Dr. Steve: Yeah. Right. Yeah. Pete "mental health champ": I've met a few people where there's some of the extreme cases as always, and then there's the other people that it's just like you'd have no idea until they told you, you know, you wouldn't know because unless you're really paying attention to what they're doing, cause a lot of it, like I said, is the mannerisms they change up and things like that as well. So Dr. Steve: Yeah, it's not an easy one to spot unless it's really Pete "mental health champ": Mm-hmm. Dr. Steve: out there and dramatic. But it's great that, you know, she was able to do that, to interview a hundred people and to get all that data and to give a real, you know, a a good report on what it's like and what it's the experience of the individuals who are going through it. And and that's what more people have to see. What is the experience of the person who's actually dealing with this challenge, you know? And and that helps us understand it a lot better. Once we We see that, we hear that, what they've gone through, how they've been able to try and cope, what's worked, what hasn't worked. It makes us understand it better, we're more sympathetic towards it, and maybe we could be on the positive side as opposed to on the negative side so much. Pete "mental health champ": Yeah. No, I agree a hundred percent. Well, Dr. Steven, we're at the part of this interview where I ask all my guests two questions. Okay. So the first one is a bit of a fun one. So my question to you is if your mental health had a song, what would you say your song would be? Dr. Steve: My mental health had a song. yeah. Pete "mental health champ": Yeah, this is a fun one. We've we've had some interesting listen, we had a guy tell me like three episodes ago, he said grandma got ran over by a reindeer. I damn near fell out of this chair laughing. I was like, no. Dr. Steve: Yeah. I don't know. To me it's like sunny days. I mean, you know, Pete "mental health champ": Okay. Dr. Steve: I try and deal and cope with it and be positive and on the optimistic side. So I'd have to go with sunny days. Pete "mental health champ": Yeah, yeah, you know, mine mine had two songs, but it was just because I I wanted to give people a realistic feel for what it one of them was artificial suicide, but I know the title throws people off, but it's the it's the way the thing goes. Like my anxiety when it kicks in, it's it goes like that, my heart starts racing. You know, wanted to give people a perspective on like what it's like for people that never experienced it though for me, but that's what it's like for me, not for everybody else. So and then my s I had a couple other ones for the depression songs, which is really like mellow songs. He's like, You really don't want to do much when you're You're really in that mode and things like that too. So, but I love music. I think music's a great outlet. I think it's a great source of, you know, when you're in a bad mood, it's something you listen to, my constantly listening to it, and things like that. Dr. Steve: Absolutely. Pete "mental health champ": So we're at the main question. And the reason I started this podcast is that if you could break the stigma about mental health, what would you say that one thing is? Is there something out there that you just keep hearing people say that you just want people to stop believing? And it could be multiple things. Dr. Steve: What I want them to stop saying? Or Pete "mental health champ": Yeah, stop believing, stop saying something you just want to break the stigma about that. People seem to think is real, but it's not. Dr. Steve: Well, stop saying these people are different. Stop saying that you know, we have to put these people away or there's a these people are different or not like us or there's someone else. It's it has nothing to do with me. I think it has something to do with all of us and there's a role that we can all play in being, you know, even understanding it more. Not that we have to really do things, but if we could do things, that would be great. But if we're all just a bit more understanding of what a person's challenges are. I think that could make a big difference in the world. Pete "mental health champ": Love it. Dr. Steven, thank you so much for coming back and hanging out with me, man. It was great seeing you again. Before we start wrapping up, do you want to let everybody know where they can find you? You can go ahead and plug some of your other books if you'd like as well. And if you have an update on when the other books coming out, then we'd love to know too. So lay it on us, buddy. Dr. Steve: wow. Well, one of my other books, more recent one, is Hardiness, which is hel helping you deal with or cope with stress. What are the things that differentiate people who are really doing better at coping with stress versus those who are struggling? And in our book called Hardiness, you get a good idea of what differentiates these people. The the book, the reality TV effect, that is in the future. It's it's being worked on now. I'm getting through it. And once I Pete "mental health champ": I'm excited. Dr. Steve: I've I've got that publisher nailed down, then I'll be able to announce a date and we'll get people on top of that. And they can find me at at they can find me at Stevenstein dot Pete "mental health champ": Heck yeah. Yeah. Do you have any socials or website there we go. Lay it on him, Doc Steven. Dr. Steve: com. Stevenstein.com www w stevenstein dot com is my website and hopefully we'll be posting some information there as well. Pete "mental health champ": Heck yeah. Listen, Dr. Stephen, you already know you're already invited back as soon as we know when that book comes out because we are gonna have some fun with that one for sure, man. But I'm so excited and thank you so much for coming and hanging out with me again, man. Like I said, I I figured we flip the script on this conversation to talk more about your archetypes because I thought it was an interesting point and you brought it up. I figured we could explore it here. But thank you so much for coming again and hanging out, man. Like I said, I look forward to seeing you again when the book gets ready to be released. So we can we can have some fun with that. Cause I like I said, me and Maddie were looking forward to seeing What what archetypes we've fallen according to your book. Dr. Steve: Thanks so much, Pete. Great to be with you again. Pete "mental health champ": Definitely. Guys, with that being said, we're gonna wrap up this episode of Pete for Sinxiety. Guys, you know where to find me on Pete for Sinxiety? I'm X all the way down to TikTok. I'm on Spotify open on the Pandora Radio. And as always, say it cost nothing, absolutely nothing to be kind to somebody. One kind act you could do can save Sen's life hell you can make their day. I'm Pete for Sanxiety. Sign off saying, Don't ask how your day is today. Say, hey, how's your mental health?