Latest / The Right Time with Bomani Jones / Steven Godfrey on ESPN & the Fight to Control College Football + Lane Kiffin returns to Ole Miss | 09.16
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- 0:05Speaker 1: Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to The Right Time, presented by PrizePix.
- 0:09Speaker 2: My name is Beaumont E. Jones.
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- 0:18Speaker 1: I'm inclined to believe you are a hater. It is
- 0:21Speaker 1: that time of week where we have a guest join us.
- 0:24Speaker 1: Stephen Godfrey, I always forget what all the things are
- 0:26Speaker 1: that you're doing because you're Stephen Godfrey and you are
- 0:28Speaker 1: bigger than those things, but I would like you to
- 0:30Speaker 1: plug them yourself in this moment so that I don't
- 0:31Speaker 1: get them wrong.
- 0:32Speaker 3: Yes, thank you, Bo. PhantomIsland.show. Got my own production company.
- 0:36Speaker 3: We got a big miniseries coming up. We got several, actually,
- 0:40Speaker 3: that I'm going to be hitting you up, Bo, to
- 0:42Speaker 3: come and promote and talk about. You can go to PhantomIsland.show.
- 0:45Speaker 3: We got three different shows there. Same as you, man.
- 0:49Speaker 3: Just podcast until they beg you not to. And then
- 0:52Speaker 3: I'm also a co-host over on Yahoo and the College
- 0:54Speaker 3: Football Enquirer. doing a little bit of writing here and there, but, uh, yeah,
- 0:57Speaker 3: that's enough. That's enough about me. We're, we're, we're here
- 0:59Speaker 3: to talk about much more important things.
- 1:01Speaker 1: All right. We're going to get to the Lane Kiffin's
- 1:04Speaker 1: return to Oxford, um, a little bit later, but first Godfrey,
- 1:09Speaker 1: this is one of these people love for you to
- 1:10Speaker 1: help make sense of things that make you and them angry.
- 1:14Speaker 2: Um, the protect college sports act that.
- 1:17Speaker 1: Is probably going to go to a vote this week,
- 1:21Speaker 1: or it looks like it might go to a vote
- 1:23Speaker 1: this week.
- 1:24Speaker 2: Um, wait, I know enough about the bill to know
- 1:29Speaker 2: that I do not like it. And I have my
- 1:30Speaker 2: criticisms of it.
- 1:31Speaker 1: I get the feeling that you are a bit more
- 1:33Speaker 1: familiar with the nuts and bolts on it. We'll get
- 1:37Speaker 1: also to the obvious propaganda machine that has been behind
- 1:40Speaker 1: pushing this. But I think it's always healthy to start
- 1:43Speaker 1: with the very simple question of, gee, how come there
- 1:46Speaker 1: are never any players involved in the discussions around any
- 1:48Speaker 1: of this? And because the answer is obviously because everyone's
- 1:51Speaker 1: there to fuck them.
- 1:55Speaker 3: Unlike other chapters of this very long story, I'm genuinely
- 2:01Speaker 3: curious how much the players know. Because we don't know
- 2:04Speaker 3: as much as those of us covering this, those of
- 2:07Speaker 3: us talking about it for a living. Hey, nobody's seen
- 2:09Speaker 3: the complete bill, by.
- 2:10Speaker 2: The way, Beau.
- 2:10Speaker 3: Isn't that kind of terrifying? This thing's going to a
- 2:13Speaker 3: vote and it has support from all the corporate media
- 2:16Speaker 3: establishments and support from different professional leagues. I won't bore
- 2:20Speaker 3: you with the entire list, but nobody has seen all
- 2:23Speaker 3: the particulars of this thing and This goes back to
- 2:25Speaker 3: a need for some sort of organization on the labor side.
- 2:29Speaker 3: There I am being one of those, you know, typical
- 2:31Speaker 3: snooty white socialists. All I'm saying is maybe the college
- 2:34Speaker 3: football players should get together in some sort of formal
- 2:36Speaker 3: organization just so they can have somebody show up at
- 2:38Speaker 3: these meetings and say, hey, why don't you send me
- 2:40Speaker 3: a copy of that so we can just check real fast?
- 2:42Speaker 3: Because this thing is now breaking down the lines of
- 2:45Speaker 3: clawing back control over player participation, let's call it. So
- 2:51Speaker 3: where you're playing, when you can leave, when you can't leave.
- 2:54Speaker 3: And then compensation. They're doing that under the guise of
- 2:58Speaker 3: college sports is in crisis. By the way, never made
- 3:00Speaker 3: more money than it is right now.
- 3:01Speaker 2: Okay?
- 3:02Speaker 3: College sports is a mess. Never been more popular in
- 3:05Speaker 3: terms of attendance, television ratings, whatever metric you want to do. Then,
- 3:09Speaker 3: of course, we're tacking on because we got to get
- 3:11Speaker 3: all the saw horses in here, Bo. We're tacking on.
- 3:14Speaker 3: We're going to save women's sports.
- 3:16Speaker 2: Save it. Okay?
- 3:18Speaker 3: So I live in Nashville.
- 3:19Speaker 2: Labor Day weekend.
- 3:20Speaker 3: They got a college football kickoff game at the Titan Stadium.
- 3:23Speaker 3: I didn't even know this until the morning of. The
- 3:25Speaker 3: Bridgestone Arena here in Nashville is like the NHL arena, right?
- 3:28Speaker 3: Filled with five, six women's volleyball teams playing an exhibition tournament.
- 3:34Speaker 3: Wrigley Field, same thing. Same thing. Nebraska's up there doing
- 3:37Speaker 3: the deal. Women's sports, objectively, has never been more lucrative.
- 3:40Speaker 3: It's never been more popular. There's never been more exposure
- 3:44Speaker 3: of the actual play of women's sports to fans, to
- 3:48Speaker 3: future athletes. And yet we are protecting college sports.
- 3:52Speaker 2: It's the PCSA.
- 3:53Speaker 3: We are protecting college sports and we are preventing it
- 3:56Speaker 3: from demise when in actuality what we are doing is
- 4:00Speaker 3: clawing back the Alston decision and preventing the courts from
- 4:03Speaker 3: being able to intercede on behalf of the labor. It's
- 4:06Speaker 3: the same old story again.
- 4:12Speaker 1: I think something that is worth noting, I've talked about
- 4:15Speaker 1: this maybe a few times on the show. I don't
- 4:17Speaker 1: know if you've heard me tell this story before, but
- 4:19Speaker 1: in 2005, I went to the National Association of Black
- 4:23Speaker 1: Journalists Convention, and Jesse Jackson was there And it was
- 4:27Speaker 1: because the Voting Rights Act was coming up for renewal
- 4:30Speaker 1: that year. And he was making sure that everybody was
- 4:33Speaker 1: aware that this was happening. Now, the 2005 version of
- 4:35Speaker 1: me found that to be incredibly alarmist and that this
- 4:38Speaker 1: was a fight that had already been won.
- 4:39Speaker 2: Why do we need to even really do this?
- 4:42Speaker 1: And on the side of that argument, it was unanimously
- 4:45Speaker 1: renewed in 2005. Obviously, fast forward to 2025 and the
- 4:49Speaker 1: damn act doesn't exist anymore.
- 4:50Speaker 2: Right.
- 4:52Speaker 1: Which was a friendly reminder along with what we saw
- 4:55Speaker 1: happen with Roe versus Wade, which is if ever you
- 4:58Speaker 1: had to be diligent, you always have to be diligent.
- 5:01Speaker 1: And number two, and this is a very important difference
- 5:03Speaker 1: between the right and the left in this country. And
- 5:06Speaker 1: this is even though this bill is bipartisan, this is
- 5:08Speaker 1: still kind of a right wing thing that we're seeing
- 5:10Speaker 1: before us.
- 5:12Speaker 2: They don't give up ever.
- 5:14Speaker 1: Once they have lost one of these things, it's like, no,
- 5:17Speaker 1: don't worry.
- 5:17Speaker 2: They chip.
- 5:18Speaker 1: They do a little at a time to make sure
- 5:20Speaker 1: it happens, but they will get that shit back to
- 5:23Speaker 1: whatever it was before if you don't super duper fight it.
- 5:27Speaker 1: And this is in line with what you're saying in
- 5:29Speaker 1: terms of going back from trying to get back to
- 5:32Speaker 1: what it was before the Alston decision. That's basically what
- 5:36Speaker 1: we've got here is, okay, so we're going to cap
- 5:39Speaker 1: the money at $ 20 million, a number that's based on
- 5:41Speaker 1: the house settlement, right? The house settlement for revenue sharing
- 5:44Speaker 1: is where they're trying to base this, but it just
- 5:47Speaker 1: really comes down to, we don't want to have to
- 5:49Speaker 1: pay them anything.
- 5:53Speaker 3: All right, let's get into the fun part. Let's talk
- 5:55Speaker 3: about $ 20 million for a second. So I have a
- 5:56Speaker 3: show on our network called Numbers and Words, and it's
- 5:59Speaker 3: basically like if you want to go to football 400 class,
- 6:02Speaker 3: people want to really get into the diagnostics. And it's
- 6:04Speaker 3: not scheme because it's hard to do on a podcast,
- 6:05Speaker 3: but we talk about money a lot because money is
- 6:08Speaker 3: the thing that stays obfuscated in college sports. $ 20 million
- 6:12Speaker 3: was this magic number that came out of Alston. It
- 6:14Speaker 3: really became popular because in 2024, Ohio State's payroll, their
- 6:18Speaker 3: roster to win that national championship was thought to be
- 6:21Speaker 3: about like $ 20 million. That's roughly what came out. I
- 6:25Speaker 3: think that's what Ryan Day confirmed maybe the following offseason.
- 6:29Speaker 3: So I had a guy named Parker Fleming who's essentially
- 6:32Speaker 3: what you would call him a cap analyst if he
- 6:33Speaker 3: was in the NFL, but he advises on NIL and
- 6:35Speaker 3: advises on roster construction for college football teams. He does
- 6:38Speaker 3: so as a third party. And I said, all right, hypothetical,
- 6:40Speaker 3: I'm going to give you $ 20 million right now. And
- 6:43Speaker 3: we're going to break it down. We're going to figure
- 6:44Speaker 3: out how much we're going to pay a quarterback, running back,
- 6:46Speaker 3: all that kind of stuff.
- 6:47Speaker 2: Market value.
- 6:48Speaker 3: Keep in mind, I just got done saying, the revenue
- 6:50Speaker 3: has never been higher for these top-end leagues, right? So
- 6:53Speaker 3: we're talking, I'm not talking, hey man, I'm not talking
- 6:55Speaker 3: about directionals. We're talking about Ohio State. We're talking about
- 6:58Speaker 3: national title contender level schools. I want y'all to think
- 7:00Speaker 3: about this. We're talking about Texas, right? $ 20 million. We
- 7:05Speaker 3: got done with the episode. I'll go ahead and spoil
- 7:07Speaker 3: it for you. I said, what did I just build
- 7:08Speaker 3: in 2026, two years after $ 20 million won you a
- 7:11Speaker 3: national championship? He said, you built probably a North Carolina
- 7:14Speaker 3: State team that could maybe go to the Pop-Tarts Bowl.
- 7:19Speaker 3: That's it. That's what $ 20 million buys you. And the
- 7:20Speaker 3: reason I'm bringing this up now is not that, oh man,
- 7:22Speaker 3: inflation's crazy. No, it's that at the highest end of
- 7:26Speaker 3: the sport, where the advantage has always lied in the
- 7:31Speaker 3: ability to fundraise, the ability to build these massive facilities
- 7:35Speaker 3: and structures and then work under the table, the labor's
- 7:40Speaker 3: finally kind of caught up with that, right? If you're
- 7:41Speaker 3: going to have this much money on hand and you
- 7:44Speaker 3: are Texas, Ohio State, Michigan, et cetera, your payroll is
- 7:48Speaker 3: going to point north towards about 50, I think has
- 7:52Speaker 3: been kind of like where people thought this was headed. Now,
- 7:56Speaker 3: this is a great talking point for conservatives. This is
- 7:58Speaker 3: a great talking point for people like Cody Campbell, who's
- 8:00Speaker 3: the mega booster at Texas Tech, who's kind of been
- 8:02Speaker 3: behind all this. There's a lot of dual motivation going
- 8:07Speaker 3: on here, so I want to be clear for the
- 8:08Speaker 3: audience so we don't get lost here. There's also the
- 8:11Speaker 3: inclusion of who's going to make it into the eventual
- 8:13Speaker 3: Super League. We don't have to talk about that right now.
- 8:15Speaker 3: Texas Tech obviously still on the outside in sort of
- 8:18Speaker 3: the shell of the old Big 12. All right? But
- 8:21Speaker 3: what the money people are finally realizing is the labor
- 8:24Speaker 3: is going to be a substantial line in the ledger.
- 8:27Speaker 3: I think the last time I was on your show,
- 8:29Speaker 3: we talked about like, okay, well, Patrick Mahomes constitutes the
- 8:32Speaker 3: largest chunk of payroll for the entire Kansas City Chiefs organization.
- 8:37Speaker 3: Understandably so. Andy Reid is considered to be one of,
- 8:40Speaker 3: if not the best NFL head coach currently working, makes
- 8:43Speaker 3: $ 20 million, a fraction of what Patrick makes. We were
- 8:47Speaker 3: headed and are heading towards a path where payroll is
- 8:50Speaker 3: inarguable for labor.
- 8:52Speaker 2: And if we could cap it at.
- 8:53Speaker 3: $ 20 million, what they think is that they can get
- 8:55Speaker 3: back into savings mode. They can continue to stock the coffers,
- 9:00Speaker 3: and then this is where it gets fun. I said
- 9:01Speaker 3: we were coming to the fun part in a minute.
- 9:03Speaker 3: You know what they really want to do that they're
- 9:05Speaker 3: never going to say out loud, Bo? They want to
- 9:07Speaker 3: go back to the old days. Shit, they always want
- 9:10Speaker 3: to go back to the old days in some way, shape,
- 9:11Speaker 3: or form. Trust me. They want to go back to, okay,
- 9:15Speaker 3: we got a $ 20 million cap at Texas A & M.
- 9:17Speaker 3: I'm always picking on the Aggies. I apologize. Oh, me too.
- 9:21Speaker 3: $ 20 million cap at A & M. Okay, guess what?
- 9:23Speaker 3: We're going to start bringing the Trans Ams back. We'll
- 9:26Speaker 3: start bringing them duffel bags back. Because here's the reality.
- 9:29Speaker 3: This is the thing that nobody says. Nobody's going to
- 9:32Speaker 3: do that.
- 9:33Speaker 2: Nobody's going to follow that rule.
- 9:35Speaker 1: Well, except what they're trying to do to get you
- 9:36Speaker 1: to follow the rule is to no longer make that
- 9:38Speaker 1: stuff an NCAA violation and now make it a federal
- 9:41Speaker 1: fucking crime.
- 9:43Speaker 3: And guess what? They are talking out of both sides
- 9:45Speaker 3: of their mouth and everybody knows it right now because
- 9:47Speaker 3: the same people who are pushing for that limit and
- 9:49Speaker 3: complaining about the price of things are the same people
- 9:51Speaker 3: that could be buying Mama and them a house.
- 9:53Speaker 2: They want to go back to that because.
- 9:55Speaker 3: Here's the deal. It's considerably cheaper to run a black
- 9:59Speaker 3: market market on labor. All of history has taught us this.
- 10:04Speaker 2: You got to take like two college courses to figure
- 10:06Speaker 2: that out.
- 10:07Speaker 3: If the value, you know, when I did the Mississippi
- 10:10Speaker 3: investigation story about what's going on 10 years now, four
- 10:13Speaker 3: star linebacker, was commanding cash payments of $ 50, 000, $ 75, 000, $ 250, 000
- 10:18Speaker 3: under the table to sign with a particular school, right?
- 10:22Speaker 3: It was a four-star linebacker.
- 10:24Speaker 2: He was pretty good.
- 10:25Speaker 3: Doesn't have an NFL career or whatever, moved on. A
- 10:28Speaker 3: four-star linebacker now is going to cost a zero more,
- 10:33Speaker 3: a comma more, right? And then you start multiplying that
- 10:37Speaker 3: by X, and this is a real problem. They caught
- 10:40Speaker 3: up with the market. That's all that's really happening here.
- 10:44Speaker 3: This is a cost-saving exercise. And it is, you know,
- 10:47Speaker 3: we can talk about Nick Saban if you want to,
- 10:49Speaker 3: but the thing that I'm fixated on is I've never
- 10:52Speaker 3: seen a man afforded the opportunity to wrestle with his
- 10:54Speaker 3: legacy in real time. And that's exactly what we're watching,
- 10:58Speaker 3: is this human being who could have walked off into
- 11:00Speaker 3: the sunset and been ensconced as the greatest and do
- 11:06Speaker 3: all that hyperbolic nonsense. But instead, this guy chooses to
- 11:10Speaker 3: get on a plane every week, travel to some damn
- 11:12Speaker 3: college campus, sit there, listen to Pat McAfee, make him
- 11:15Speaker 3: dumber for three hours, and then stump for a college
- 11:18Speaker 3: football that can no longer exist because it better reflects
- 11:21Speaker 3: his legacy. It's fascinating to me. But what he's not
- 11:25Speaker 3: saying out loud is that his legacy was one of control.
- 11:29Speaker 3: I try not to go on Twitter as much anymore,
- 11:32Speaker 3: but anytime I just get frustrated enough where I want
- 11:35Speaker 3: to yell at the element, is when Saban comes out
- 11:40Speaker 3: here and he's all mealy-mouthed and apologetic, just like, oh,
- 11:43Speaker 3: we've lost control. His entire tenure was built on control.
- 11:47Speaker 2: He quit, right?
- 11:48Speaker 3: He quit and walked off because after the famous Rose Bowl,
- 11:51Speaker 3: they lost to Michigan three years ago now. He had
- 11:54Speaker 3: players within 24 hours of the game coming up and saying, hey, coach,
- 11:57Speaker 3: we've got to talk about my deal. I'm getting offered this,
- 11:59Speaker 3: I'm getting offered that. And that's when he decided, oh,
- 12:02Speaker 3: I have no control. Fear doesn't work. The Saban process
- 12:07Speaker 3: was a machine that killed doubt because he could control
- 12:09Speaker 3: every element. Every coach bent the knee, and he built
- 12:13Speaker 3: an apparatus where talent had to go and go through
- 12:16Speaker 3: his machine. But I could rant for hours about that.
- 12:20Speaker 1: Now, I want to touch on something else because you
- 12:22Speaker 1: mentioned it right fast. Sometimes I do things before I forget,
- 12:25Speaker 1: not because of the actual flow of show. But the
- 12:29Speaker 1: protecting women's sports element of this.
- 12:33Speaker 2: Yeah.
- 12:34Speaker 1: What I don't think people get is that $ 20 million
- 12:37Speaker 1: cap that we're talking about would not be a $ 20
- 12:39Speaker 1: million cap for the football team.
- 12:41Speaker 2: We're talking about a cap for the whole athletic department.
- 12:47Speaker 1: And some information I got on this is that the
- 12:48Speaker 1: only school that's really reported what their payouts have been
- 12:52Speaker 1: was Penn State. And they reported that they paid out 6%
- 12:58Speaker 1: of their payments to female athletes.
- 13:01Speaker 2: 6%.
- 13:03Speaker 1: If you cap this, they're not going to get any
- 13:07Speaker 1: of the money.
- 13:08Speaker 3: No.
- 13:08Speaker 2: All the money is going to go to football. I
- 13:10Speaker 2: don't even know how much money basketball will get.
- 13:14Speaker 3: No, and I think in most instances this will be,
- 13:16Speaker 3: I think this is a net negative for basketball as
- 13:18Speaker 3: well because if you actually had any number that you
- 13:22Speaker 3: truly had to follow, which I still believe at the
- 13:25Speaker 3: top football schools, they're just going to go back to funneling.
- 13:28Speaker 3: I mean, we're going to go right back down to
- 13:29Speaker 3: the table. But let's just say, and there's a lot
- 13:31Speaker 3: of earnest athletic directors out there. who really want some
- 13:36Speaker 3: sense of sanity on what the budget should be. And I, I,
- 13:39Speaker 3: I can empathize with that. Like it just, Hey, tell
- 13:41Speaker 3: us what it is so we can do it. That's
- 13:42Speaker 3: kind of been the operating stance of a lot of coaches.
- 13:46Speaker 3: A lot of that next generation of coaches have just
- 13:47Speaker 3: said like, Hey, just like, all right, man, I'm not
- 13:49Speaker 3: arguing on a moral standpoint anymore. It's about educating kids.
- 13:52Speaker 3: They shouldn't get paid. No, let's pay them. Let's pay
- 13:54Speaker 3: our DBs a million dollars, whatever. Just tell me what
- 13:56Speaker 3: it is so we can do it and move on.
- 13:58Speaker 2: Right?
- 13:59Speaker 3: Like that seems to be the operating mindset, but I
- 14:02Speaker 3: can tell you for a fact, Women's sports is going
- 14:05Speaker 3: to disappear financially. Can you name me one school right
- 14:10Speaker 3: now where if you had that $ 20 million hard and
- 14:15Speaker 3: fast amount where they would say, hey guys, it's down
- 14:20Speaker 3: to wide receiver three or a half million of that
- 14:25Speaker 3: that we could spread across the entire women's basketball roster
- 14:27Speaker 3: and go to women's final four. It's going to be
- 14:30Speaker 3: running back three.
- 14:31Speaker 2: It's going to be wide receiver three. I can name
- 14:32Speaker 2: only one school. Yukon?
- 14:35Speaker 4: Yep.
- 14:36Speaker 2: Okay. That's it. Good luck. This is insane.
- 14:41Speaker 3: The other thing that nobody says out loud, too, and
- 14:43Speaker 3: I run a podcast business right now, and I'll tell
- 14:45Speaker 3: you this.
- 14:46Speaker 2: I'm curious if you've had.
- 14:47Speaker 3: This experience, Beau. If you are covering women's sports right now,
- 14:52Speaker 3: there's money. There are a lot of big agencies and
- 14:57Speaker 3: a lot of big corporate entities that are trying to
- 14:59Speaker 3: put their name and their dollars next to women's sports.
- 15:04Speaker 3: And the framework of this bill is counterintuitive to the
- 15:07Speaker 3: way that the market is moving. And by the way,
- 15:10Speaker 3: anytime you see a conservative mindset pushing a bill that
- 15:14Speaker 3: looks counterintuitive to the actual economics of a thing, what
- 15:18Speaker 3: that tells you is that someone's ass is hurt. And
- 15:21Speaker 3: so you've got a lot of people with hurt ass
- 15:22Speaker 3: right now. Because even if the market is saying women's
- 15:25Speaker 3: sports is profitable, we shouldn't cap this, we shouldn't do this,
- 15:28Speaker 3: we should allow for more money to come in through
- 15:30Speaker 3: third-party NIL to fund you know, essentially pay for a
- 15:34Speaker 3: roster of women's basketball, soccer, but it's the other one
- 15:36Speaker 3: too that's growing rapidly in terms of finances and volleyball.
- 15:40Speaker 3: This is just because, this is because the kind of
- 15:44Speaker 3: boomer class of the booster is very, very frustrated. And
- 15:47Speaker 3: by the way, I'm not going to put it all
- 15:48Speaker 3: on the redneck Republican booster.
- 15:50Speaker 2: Here, but there's a lot of... Yeah, this is bipartisan.
- 15:53Speaker 3: Well, the Cantwell thing we can get into. I think
- 15:55Speaker 3: the road to hell is paved with good intention, and
- 15:58Speaker 3: there's a classic naive liberal that I keep in my
- 16:01Speaker 3: mind's eye, and man, does she fit it. I am
- 16:03Speaker 3: sorry what happened to Washington State. I know that's why
- 16:06Speaker 3: she's doing this. She's representing her constituency, she thinks. She's
- 16:11Speaker 3: also completely blind to the face of the economics of
- 16:14Speaker 3: this sport, which was the Pac-12 was always going to
- 16:16Speaker 3: fall apart because it was poorly managed. The Pac-12 did
- 16:20Speaker 3: not have the structure, the logistics, the execution of any
- 16:23Speaker 3: of the other leagues. That's why the Big 12 is
- 16:24Speaker 3: still here. The Pac-12 is not. That's even why the
- 16:26Speaker 3: damn ACC is here, limping along with Bay Area schools
- 16:29Speaker 3: and SMU and all this. What happened to Wazoo sucked.
- 16:33Speaker 3: I think that's one of the best fan bases I've
- 16:35Speaker 3: ever been around in college sports. Those people are dedicated
- 16:37Speaker 3: as hell, but it was inevitable what was going to happen.
- 16:40Speaker 3: So for Cantwell to sign on, she's kind of emblematic
- 16:42Speaker 3: of that naive liberal. There's still a lot of leadership
- 16:45Speaker 3: on the school side of this, presidents, chancellors, etc., who
- 16:49Speaker 3: are still saying, hey, this is about, this is amateurism,
- 16:52Speaker 3: this is about receiving an education. Like, I'm not going
- 16:54Speaker 3: to clap and scream into the microphone like I used to,
- 16:56Speaker 3: but no, it's not. You know it's not. You know
- 16:58Speaker 3: it's bankrolling your entire operation. So, this is not just
- 17:03Speaker 3: the kind of foghorn, leghorn, redneck type with the Cadillac.
- 17:06Speaker 1: ESPN has made itself a player in this because they
- 17:09Speaker 1: are shilling for this bill every weekend. By the way,
- 17:13Speaker 1: they're going to have, I think his name is Derek Johnson,
- 17:15Speaker 1: the president of the NAACP. He will be the voice
- 17:19Speaker 1: um that is opposed to the bill and they'll have
- 17:21Speaker 1: him on sports center and if we're being real about
- 17:23Speaker 1: this yeah there's a part of me that thinks that's
- 17:27Speaker 1: a sinister sinister move by espn because what i think
- 17:31Speaker 1: is happening there is this is me and my buddy
- 17:35Speaker 1: joel talk about this and i think we disagree but
- 17:38Speaker 1: this is not a matter this this bill is not
- 17:40Speaker 1: a matter of race in the way that i think
- 17:41Speaker 1: that people would like to think of it as being
- 17:43Speaker 1: the losers on this are actually going to be a
- 17:45Speaker 1: lot of white people the non-revenue sport athletes who are
- 17:47Speaker 1: not going to get money that they used to get.
- 17:50Speaker 1: But of course, the revenue sport athletes are disproportionately black.
- 17:55Speaker 2: So I get it. So the NAACP is their voice.
- 17:58Speaker 2: That makes sense.
- 17:59Speaker 1: But this is being positioned on television in a way
- 18:02Speaker 1: that I contend is not in line with the actual
- 18:05Speaker 1: issue of the bill, which if I were someone on
- 18:08Speaker 1: the right, is the way that I would want it
- 18:10Speaker 1: positioned because that's how we position everything and that's how
- 18:13Speaker 1: we win money.
- 18:14Speaker 2: On everything.
- 18:15Speaker 1: But with ESPN, I want to ask you this because
- 18:18Speaker 1: I think you can explain this better than I can.
- 18:20Speaker 1: Why would they want this bill? Because they are actually
- 18:24Speaker 1: putting millions of dollars behind lobbying for it.
- 18:27Speaker 2: Yeah.
- 18:28Speaker 3: I do want to shout out Open Secrets has done
- 18:30Speaker 3: some great work there in journalism nonprofit and they kind
- 18:33Speaker 3: of blasted out to a lot of the reporters who
- 18:35Speaker 3: had listened last week basically saying like, hey, this is,
- 18:37Speaker 3: we have pulled all of the funding for the lobbying
- 18:40Speaker 3: for PCSA and Disney's in there at 1.7 million dollars.
- 18:45Speaker 3: Which is not that much compared to others, but it's
- 18:47Speaker 3: very clear where their intent is. If you couldn't tell,
- 18:50Speaker 3: by the way, from having Nick Saban, Pat McAfee, et cetera,
- 18:55Speaker 3: organically working pro bill points into the game day show.
- 18:58Speaker 3: There are also then the Ted Cruz incident happened on
- 19:01Speaker 3: Saturday where I thought I was going to have an aneurysm.
- 19:02Speaker 3: I couldn't believe that. I honestly just, the transparency of
- 19:06Speaker 3: it was insane. Why does Disney want this? Because they
- 19:12Speaker 3: have a massive rights relationship with this product, and it's
- 19:15Speaker 3: woefully unstable right now. So why not walk it back
- 19:19Speaker 3: to a more control? Corporate control is what everybody wants
- 19:24Speaker 3: on that side. They want a more stable sport. Stable
- 19:27Speaker 3: meaning they can control the labor. They don't have as
- 19:29Speaker 3: much uncertainty. We're headed towards consolidation anyway. Disney's trying to
- 19:33Speaker 3: figure out how much of a part of it they're
- 19:35Speaker 3: going to be. Probably the next, oh, God, the sky
- 19:38Speaker 3: is falling crisis is going to be playoff expansion. 24
- 19:40Speaker 3: is inevitable. It just depends on where you slot the inventory,
- 19:44Speaker 3: and Disney's trying to figure that out. But there's a
- 19:46Speaker 3: big problem here. If you're going to invest as much
- 19:49Speaker 3: as you're investing in, the NBA, not as much as
- 19:51Speaker 3: the NFL, but pretty much everybody, like after the NFL,
- 19:54Speaker 3: college is on there financially. The total investment in college
- 19:58Speaker 3: is similar to what they spend on the NBA, Major
- 20:00Speaker 3: League Baseball, et cetera, on down. So it's very important
- 20:03Speaker 3: to them that they have a stable product. I don't
- 20:07Speaker 3: know if they've been led to believe this, necessarily, but
- 20:11Speaker 3: I think that they've, they have probably had a couple
- 20:13Speaker 3: of knee jerk reactions to some viewer feedback. I'm not,
- 20:16Speaker 3: you know, it's funny at the end of the day, they,
- 20:18Speaker 3: they probably have done more damage to their reputation publicly
- 20:21Speaker 3: in the way this Ted Cruz game day thing blew
- 20:23Speaker 3: up than I thought could ever happen. I should be
- 20:25Speaker 3: kind of pleasantly surprised by the rank and file fan
- 20:29Speaker 3: finally realizing what's going on. And I said this on
- 20:32Speaker 3: the Yahoo show this morning, cause I'm, I like to
- 20:35Speaker 3: make my, I guess I like to make my agent
- 20:36Speaker 3: frustrated with me. continuing to eliminate future employment destinations. I said,
- 20:41Speaker 3: you know, ESPN is in the WWE era right now,
- 20:45Speaker 3: which is true, right? They put WWE programming on this.
- 20:47Speaker 3: And I said, as someone who worked in pro wrestling
- 20:49Speaker 3: in his twenties, you know, Jimmy Pataro is doing Vince
- 20:52Speaker 3: McMahon right now. But the problem is, is that what
- 20:55Speaker 3: Jimmy needs to call Vince McMahon up, because when you
- 20:57Speaker 3: piss down my leg and tell me it's raining, what
- 20:59Speaker 3: Vince always knew was you kind of had to do
- 21:01Speaker 3: it while you were winking. And ESPN is not even
- 21:03Speaker 3: winking right now. They're just jamming this home. to, I think,
- 21:07Speaker 3: an audience that is increasingly aware of the problem. Now,
- 21:10Speaker 3: I don't think, like, everyone had a moral outrage at
- 21:12Speaker 3: Ted Cruz last weekend, Beau, but I do think that
- 21:14Speaker 3: it was 10 minutes of bad television of a guy
- 21:18Speaker 3: stumping for a piece of legislation in the Senate that
- 21:21Speaker 3: nobody in Austin, Texas, wanted to hear about. He was
- 21:24Speaker 3: on more time, for more time, on a longer segment
- 21:28Speaker 3: of that show than Steve Sarkeesian was.
- 21:31Speaker 2: What are we doing? I thought this was an.
- 21:33Speaker 3: This is an entertainment program, right?
- 21:36Speaker 1: He was on there like Kurt Angle, but if Kurt
- 21:39Speaker 1: Angle couldn't wrestle, like he just came out there and
- 21:42Speaker 1: all you heard was, you suck!
- 21:45Speaker 3: The amount of heat, the amount of.
- 21:47Speaker 2: Heat those kids gave.
- 21:48Speaker 1: Yo, to be Ted Cruz and this is just what
- 21:51Speaker 1: happens everywhere you go.
- 21:53Speaker 2: You didn't even notice. You're like, what? People were talking?
- 21:57Speaker 3: He locked in, man. You could tell he was like,
- 21:59Speaker 3: I've got to get these eight talking points out. I
- 22:02Speaker 3: don't care what reason. At one point, Reese asked me,
- 22:04Speaker 3: how is this good for the athlete? And he just boom,
- 22:06Speaker 3: goes right through, just barrels right through, stays on top.
- 22:08Speaker 3: Like that's, you can always tell a media, when you
- 22:11Speaker 3: work in media, you can always tell who's been coached,
- 22:13Speaker 3: like who's hired someone to make sure you get this
- 22:16Speaker 3: sentence out so we can clip it. That's kind of
- 22:18Speaker 3: the short game there. I'm flabbergasted, but I'm also, I
- 22:24Speaker 3: don't know why I am. Like the slow decline of
- 22:27Speaker 3: ESPN as a news product and everything that's gone on
- 22:30Speaker 3: in other sports with what's going on with the Clippers
- 22:32Speaker 3: story and all that, like, I stay in college sports specifically,
- 22:35Speaker 3: so I kind of feel insane, Bo, because for years,
- 22:40Speaker 3: I was one of the first people who got banned
- 22:41Speaker 3: from Feinbaum when he went to the SEC network because
- 22:44Speaker 3: all I ever said was some kids got paid under
- 22:46Speaker 3: the table.
- 22:47Speaker 2: That's all I said.
- 22:48Speaker 3: And, buddy, I broke Omerta. That was it. I was
- 22:52Speaker 3: done for that. And the more they got focused as
- 22:57Speaker 3: becoming a rights holder and the less independence they afforded
- 23:00Speaker 3: the journalism department, the news department, whatever, This is where
- 23:03Speaker 3: we ended up. And they're not even commenting on it, though.
- 23:06Speaker 3: So you go to this ridiculous, and I'm not sure
- 23:09Speaker 3: exactly when this show is going to air. But so
- 23:13Speaker 3: the SportsCenter segment is Tuesday night, I believe, right?
- 23:19Speaker 2: So by the time people hear this, it will have run.
- 23:23Speaker 3: So that segment averages, I think it's like 550,000 viewers.
- 23:30Speaker 3: Game Day, because they send out these press releases beating
- 23:32Speaker 3: their chest all the time, is in the neighborhood of
- 23:36Speaker 3: 3 million. And anybody who works in sports media can
- 23:41Speaker 3: understand that it's much bigger than just the raw audience, right?
- 23:44Speaker 3: Things that happen on Game Day platform narrative. And so,
- 23:48Speaker 3: to me, this is just a conciliatory kind of, oh, here,
- 23:51Speaker 3: the other side's mad at us? Let the meat cake.
- 23:54Speaker 2: That's what this is.
- 23:54Speaker 3: I'm just... I could rant for a while at the
- 23:57Speaker 3: slow decline here, but I mean, I don't know what
- 24:01Speaker 3: good it would do, to be honest. And every time
- 24:04Speaker 3: I do one of these segments and people from ESPN,
- 24:06Speaker 3: like the journalists, the rank and file guys, they'll all
- 24:08Speaker 3: text me and say like, oh, you don't understand it.
- 24:10Speaker 3: I don't want to hear it this time. I don't
- 24:12Speaker 3: want to hear it this time. It was inexcusable. Also, Bo,
- 24:16Speaker 3: bad television. Horrifically bad television for 10 minutes. Not even
- 24:19Speaker 3: in a funny way. It wasn't even like you could
- 24:21Speaker 3: spoof it. It was just kind of had a Dennis
- 24:24Speaker 3: Drill type effect.
- 24:25Speaker 2: No, no, no.
- 24:26Speaker 1: Not even that man white want to spend 10 minutes
- 24:28Speaker 1: with him on Saturday morning. Last thing I want to
- 24:32Speaker 1: hear on this topic before we get into break.
- 24:35Speaker 3: Yeah.
- 24:35Speaker 2: Do you notice the irony? At least it's an irony
- 24:38Speaker 2: to me.
- 24:38Speaker 1: A couple of weeks ago, the Wall Street Journal had
- 24:40Speaker 1: this long article about Syracuse and their financial struggles and
- 24:45Speaker 1: their inability to. to bring in enough students to pay
- 24:48Speaker 1: the bills because as these immigration laws have changed, these
- 24:51Speaker 1: people charge those international students.
- 24:53Speaker 2: A whole lot more money.
- 24:54Speaker 1: And so the revenue projections they'd had forever have all
- 24:57Speaker 1: changed as the Trump administration has changed things. And this
- 25:00Speaker 1: is a legitimate issue for a lot of colleges around
- 25:04Speaker 1: the country. Do you notice the irony that I do
- 25:06Speaker 1: that they keep talking about protect college sports while actively
- 25:10Speaker 1: destroying the colleges themselves? And that is the most what
- 25:14Speaker 1: is much more important right now is the collapse of
- 25:17Speaker 1: higher education in this country.
- 25:19Speaker 2: It's a much bigger deal because there aren't going to
- 25:22Speaker 2: be schools.
- 25:23Speaker 1: For these teams to play for at the rate that
- 25:26Speaker 1: was the goal and that's the plan that's yes we're
- 25:29Speaker 1: gonna save the room and burn down the house.
- 25:33Speaker 3: One of the things I need people to understand and
- 25:35Speaker 3: obviously like I understand it's not gonna be a lot
- 25:37Speaker 3: of people in this audience are gonna take issue with
- 25:39Speaker 3: it but this is where this is where I have
- 25:41Speaker 3: arrived as someone who who deals with a lot of
- 25:44Speaker 3: conservatives in his life it is now more apparent and
- 25:48Speaker 3: inarguable than ever that the goal was never governance The
- 25:52Speaker 3: goal was to put into effect the things they wanted.
- 25:58Speaker 3: There's no long-term play here. We could sit here and
- 26:01Speaker 3: talk about, well, how if you're restricting international students and
- 26:03Speaker 3: you're drying up revenue, how could you keep a university
- 26:06Speaker 3: like Syracuse? That's not the goal. The goal was to
- 26:10Speaker 3: hurt people. There's no long-term financial model to this.
- 26:14Speaker 2: That's it. That's the whole conversation.
- 26:16Speaker 3: What you see this across different policies in the administration,
- 26:19Speaker 3: and then as they feed into sports, There's no goal
- 26:23Speaker 3: with the trans rights issue. There's no goal with the PCSA.
- 26:27Speaker 3: They don't actually want to change college football. Ted Cruz
- 26:31Speaker 3: was on the sideline on Saturday night cheering on the horns, right?
- 26:34Speaker 3: They don't actually want to change anything. What they want
- 26:38Speaker 3: is to either deliver a blowback for a perceived slight
- 26:41Speaker 3: from the previous 10 years, or they want some modicum
- 26:45Speaker 3: of control that they feel they deserve. But there's no
- 26:48Speaker 3: long-term plan here. And then we're going to have to
- 26:51Speaker 3: clean it up.
- 26:52Speaker 2: That's it.
- 26:53Speaker 3: I could say this about almost any topic in American
- 26:56Speaker 3: politics right now.
- 26:57Speaker 2: There was never a goal.
- 26:58Speaker 3: Pain was the goal.
- 27:00Speaker 1: Yeah, it was the Adam Silver line. Cruelty is the point.
- 27:04Speaker 1: We see it over and over again. But coming up next,
- 27:07Speaker 1: speaking of cruelty, Ole Miss gets Lane Kiffin back at home.
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- 28:42Speaker 1: with Stephen Godfrey. LSU is headed to Oxford to play
- 28:46Speaker 1: against Ole Miss. By the way, in line with our
- 28:48Speaker 1: previous discussion, would you be surprised if part of the
- 28:52Speaker 1: reason LSU went on that crazy gambit about bringing back
- 28:55Speaker 1: the NFL players was just to give the air of chaos?
- 28:58Speaker 2: And put a little more gas into the engine of
- 29:00Speaker 2: this bill? Oh, yeah. Do I think the fix is in?
- 29:06Speaker 3: It's funny that had it happened at Texas Tech, it
- 29:07Speaker 3: would have almost been a little too obvious.
- 29:10Speaker 2: Too easy.
- 29:13Speaker 3: No, definitely, without a doubt. Again, that's another good example
- 29:17Speaker 3: of wanting to talk out of both sides of your mouth,
- 29:19Speaker 3: because it's a Republican-backed bill, and then you have Republican leadership.
- 29:22Speaker 3: Jeff Landry, the governor of Louisiana, is attempting to actually
- 29:28Speaker 3: recreate the function of Huey Long. And I'm not kidding.
- 29:32Speaker 3: Because it got to a point, I wanna back up
- 29:34Speaker 3: for a second. When we were doing the NFL player
- 29:36Speaker 3: bit two weeks ago, we got Lane Kiffin's going to
- 29:39Speaker 3: go to court, and he's a defendant for what he
- 29:41Speaker 3: said in week one after the Clemson game, all that, right?
- 29:44Speaker 3: I can tell you for a fact that down in
- 29:45Speaker 3: Baton Rouge, it's the first time I've seen Greg Sankey,
- 29:49Speaker 3: the commissioner of the SEC, so successful. When they went
- 29:52Speaker 3: to federal court in Alabama and filed that suit, everybody
- 29:56Speaker 3: who you would logically expect at LSU to go, oh, shit,
- 29:59Speaker 3: they did. The leadership, the athletic department, even Kiffin himself
- 30:04Speaker 3: started to realize, oh, we did a stunt. The juice
- 30:07Speaker 3: is not worth the squeeze, right? Because like Texas Tech
- 30:11Speaker 3: trying to go to court over a quarterback in Brendan
- 30:13Speaker 3: Sorsby who might be the difference of a playoff, like
- 30:15Speaker 3: a final four bid or not, that's understandable. Y'all, we're
- 30:18Speaker 3: talking about a backup tight end who got cut from
- 30:21Speaker 3: the Browns who's not the best tight end on your team.
- 30:25Speaker 3: But everybody got the message, Beau, except for the governor
- 30:28Speaker 3: of Louisiana. He was the one where they were like, oh, Paul,
- 30:33Speaker 3: we have got to get him to shut up or
- 30:35Speaker 3: we are actually going to face legitimate expulsion. I just
- 30:38Speaker 3: want to point that out. Everybody thinks LSU is in chaos. No,
- 30:41Speaker 3: there's a lot of intelligent people working in that administration
- 30:44Speaker 3: right now who are like, okay, we took this too far.
- 30:47Speaker 2: Slap us on the wrist.
- 30:48Speaker 3: It's fine.
- 30:49Speaker 2: Eventually they'll drop the lawsuits. It was the actual.
- 30:52Speaker 3: Governor who couldn't shut his mouth. He is the one
- 30:54Speaker 3: drawing the ire right now.
- 30:56Speaker 2: Fascinating.
- 30:57Speaker 1: Well, my apologies to Lane Kiffin because I definitely blamed
- 30:59Speaker 1: him for being the one who took the joke too
- 31:01Speaker 1: far because it would be.
- 31:02Speaker 2: Yeah, you still do that for sure. Well, yeah, I
- 31:05Speaker 2: tell you this.
- 31:06Speaker 1: What are the interesting things about Lane coming into this game?
- 31:10Speaker 1: And when I wrote the story on Trinidad and Chambliss
- 31:13Speaker 1: for Vanity Fair. The biggest surprise that I learned was
- 31:17Speaker 1: that after Lane Kiffin had decided to go to LSU,
- 31:20Speaker 1: he connected Chambliss with Tom Mars to begin the lawsuit
- 31:23Speaker 1: that made it such that he was able to play
- 31:26Speaker 1: this year. On one hand, the most selfless thing Lane
- 31:28Speaker 1: Kiffin has ever done. On the other hand, perhaps Lane
- 31:31Speaker 1: Kiffin thought it was a possibility that Chambliss might want
- 31:33Speaker 1: to come to LSU with him.
- 31:35Speaker 2: Always on the board but yes.
- 31:37Speaker 1: That game is here and this is going to be
- 31:39Speaker 1: interesting because i'm honestly not sure how good either team
- 31:43Speaker 1: is the only thing i feel like i'm really sure
- 31:46Speaker 1: of is that chambliss is really.
- 31:47Speaker 3: Good no i think it's a fair assessment um i
- 31:51Speaker 3: spent you know we sort of drowned in all this
- 31:54Speaker 3: in the offseason in college football media um And I
- 31:57Speaker 3: think the most honest assessment wasn't a particularly interesting one,
- 32:00Speaker 3: which is that Lane Kiffin provides a very, very high ceiling,
- 32:03Speaker 3: a very, very low floor, and a ton of volatility
- 32:06Speaker 3: in between. And people think I'm talking about the antics,
- 32:10Speaker 3: the Joey Freshwater stuff in Alabama, his Twitter account. No,
- 32:13Speaker 3: I'm talking about the actual football product. One of the
- 32:16Speaker 3: things that's great for college football about Lane Kiffin is
- 32:19Speaker 3: the product he puts on the field. Now, you notice
- 32:22Speaker 3: I did not say a championship product. I did not
- 32:24Speaker 3: say an infallible product. designed schematically or your roster philosophy. No, no, no, no.
- 32:30Speaker 3: What I am saying is this man is going to
- 32:32Speaker 3: give you a firework show where you see some of
- 32:34Speaker 3: the most beautiful explosions in the sky you've ever witnessed. Also,
- 32:38Speaker 3: the truck's going to catch on fire down in the field.
- 32:40Speaker 3: The breadth of possibility is why you watch a Lane
- 32:45Speaker 3: Kiffin anything. And now, for the first time ever, you
- 32:49Speaker 3: have this mirror moment because the operating agenda for Ole
- 32:53Speaker 3: Miss had to be in the short term They just
- 32:56Speaker 3: got dumped.
- 32:58Speaker 2: They have the better roster.
- 33:00Speaker 3: They had the legitimate national title shot last year. We
- 33:03Speaker 3: returned the quarterback running back battery and a decent amount
- 33:07Speaker 3: of that talent. We can't say we don't need you
- 33:11Speaker 3: philosophically in the scheme. They go out and they get
- 33:14Speaker 3: Billy Edwards Jr., who's a former Lane Kiffin assistant. He
- 33:16Speaker 3: was at ECU. He'd been on staff at Ole Miss
- 33:18Speaker 3: under Lane to replace Charlie Weiss Jr., I can tell
- 33:22Speaker 3: you from watching the Louisville game, they are running the
- 33:24Speaker 3: Lane Kiffin offensive playbook.
- 33:26Speaker 2: By the way, as they should.
- 33:28Speaker 3: Like, Trinidad Chambliss is, I think, a legitimate talent and
- 33:31Speaker 3: a legitimate Heisman candidate. This is what they should be doing.
- 33:34Speaker 3: But now they're going to essentially play the same team
- 33:37Speaker 3: that's on the up in construction phase.
- 33:40Speaker 2: So they're about even.
- 33:41Speaker 3: Because what I saw when it worked against Louisville was
- 33:44Speaker 3: a 70% operating efficiency of a Lane Kiffin offense, right?
- 33:49Speaker 3: And then what I see... The Clemson situation is so
- 33:52Speaker 3: bad I would throw it out, to be honest. But
- 33:53Speaker 3: the two games I've seen at LSU, again, is that
- 33:55Speaker 3: wide variance of, like, Sam Levitt's great and he can move,
- 33:59Speaker 3: but he's throwing multiple picks against Louisiana Tech when you
- 34:02Speaker 3: should just be using the shortest amount of your playbook
- 34:04Speaker 3: to get through the game. So this is Lane Kiffin
- 34:07Speaker 3: football against Lane Kiffin football. The only extraneous kind of
- 34:11Speaker 3: nonsense is the existential dread that one of these programs
- 34:15Speaker 3: is going to have leaving this game. Because I'm going
- 34:16Speaker 3: to be honest with you. It don't really matter. I
- 34:18Speaker 3: don't think either one of these teams is going to
- 34:20Speaker 3: be in the playoff at the end of the season.
- 34:22Speaker 3: This is all a hype thing.
- 34:25Speaker 2: I still think we have a very interesting thing at
- 34:27Speaker 2: Ole Miss.
- 34:28Speaker 1: Where they hired a guy that literally nobody else would
- 34:32Speaker 1: have given.
- 34:32Speaker 2: That job to.
- 34:35Speaker 1: The dynamics under which they were in when they gave
- 34:37Speaker 1: that job to Pete, where you got to hold this
- 34:39Speaker 1: team together. I don't think there's any other program at
- 34:42Speaker 1: the level of Ole Miss that was like, we got
- 34:43Speaker 1: to get Pete Golding in here.
- 34:45Speaker 2: And talk to him about this job.
- 34:46Speaker 1: And I do kind of enjoy the fact that he
- 34:49Speaker 1: gives no head coach vibes, but he is the head coach.
- 34:52Speaker 1: Like if they do win some games, you're going to
- 34:54Speaker 1: really enjoy it as long as it goes. And then
- 34:57Speaker 1: when it's over, all that stuff is going to catch
- 34:58Speaker 1: up and people are going to act like they were
- 35:00Speaker 1: never with it.
- 35:00Speaker 2: But that's the guy. And I bet he is loving
- 35:03Speaker 2: this week.
- 35:04Speaker 1: He strikes me as the sort of guy that loves
- 35:06Speaker 1: the idea of what this game is going to be.
- 35:10Speaker 3: The legitimate criticism of Ole Miss in the Lane Kiffin
- 35:13Speaker 3: saga is, really kind of falls between playing Florida and
- 35:18Speaker 3: Mississippi State and Kiffin going to the athletic director, Keith Carter,
- 35:23Speaker 3: and Walker Jones, who's kind of basically like a de
- 35:25Speaker 3: facto Manning family member who runs the collective there, and
- 35:30Speaker 3: dragging this out and dragging this out because there's like
- 35:34Speaker 3: a 14-day span in his deliberation with LSU that had
- 35:38Speaker 3: it been seven, Ole Miss might have been able to
- 35:40Speaker 3: go and hire a different coach that you're talking about.
- 35:43Speaker 3: I don't think people realize how close they were with
- 35:45Speaker 3: John Summerall, the new Florida head coach. But Kiffin, chestnut checkers,
- 35:52Speaker 3: knew his deliberation allowed him not only the most luxury
- 35:56Speaker 3: of options possible, but also if he decided on LSU,
- 36:00Speaker 3: he could go up until the very, very last moment
- 36:03Speaker 3: and then penalize Ole Miss because I don't think that
- 36:07Speaker 3: Lane thinks much of Pete as a head coach because
- 36:09Speaker 3: they reached a certain point, Bo, where they had to
- 36:11Speaker 3: keep Pete This is also the magic of Jimmy Sexton,
- 36:14Speaker 3: by the way.
- 36:15Speaker 4: Yes.
- 36:16Speaker 1: For those who don't know, Jimmy Sexton is the agent
- 36:18Speaker 1: that reps all the coaches in the SEC, basically.
- 36:21Speaker 3: So you weren't going to get Pete. So Pete had
- 36:23Speaker 3: to be, you're in this extraordinarily unique situation where you're
- 36:26Speaker 3: trying to make a national championship run at an irrelevant
- 36:29Speaker 3: school in the modern era. And you've got the talent
- 36:32Speaker 3: to do it. Your head coach just walked out of
- 36:33Speaker 3: the door. And the only guy who can is the
- 36:35Speaker 3: ex-Saban assistant who was, by the way, there's always been
- 36:38Speaker 3: a Pete for Lane Kiffin. I don't think people realize that.
- 36:41Speaker 2: Are we trying to get Orgeron as a Pete? No doubt.
- 36:45Speaker 3: I talked to Ed Orgeron when he was that Pete
- 36:47Speaker 3: for Lane Kiffin. There's a guy who's showing up and
- 36:51Speaker 3: going to the meetings and doing the things and showing
- 36:54Speaker 3: up to the golf tournaments and shaking the hands, but
- 36:56Speaker 3: also making the 830 meeting. That ain't Lane Kiffin. This
- 37:01Speaker 3: is another thing that Baton Rouge people don't want to
- 37:03Speaker 3: hear from me. I kept saying, I was like, he's
- 37:05Speaker 3: not going to show up to your charity thing, dawg.
- 37:07Speaker 3: He's not even going to give you five minutes for
- 37:08Speaker 3: a grip and grip. That's not, he gets on the
- 37:10Speaker 3: plane and he goes down to Boca and he gets
- 37:12Speaker 3: on the boat or he goes to parts unknown for
- 37:14Speaker 3: other reasons. He ain't state like he doesn't love Louisiana.
- 37:19Speaker 2: You don't get it.
- 37:20Speaker 3: You're not going to get the pablum and the politician
- 37:22Speaker 3: sheen and the kind of procedural nonsense that you get.
- 37:27Speaker 3: You have to have the, so Pete was that, um,
- 37:31Speaker 3: Ed Orgeron was that for him. I just blanked on
- 37:34Speaker 3: the guy's name. The head coach at Mississippi State before
- 37:38Speaker 3: he went to Oklahoma, Levy, was that for Lane when
- 37:42Speaker 3: he got to Oxford. In fact, he almost got that
- 37:44Speaker 3: job when Lane threatened to leave Ole Miss for Auburn.
- 37:47Speaker 3: So it would be deeply satisfying for Pete, but I
- 37:52Speaker 3: still don't know what his long-term potential is at Ole Miss,
- 37:54Speaker 3: to your point. How many games does he have to win?
- 37:56Speaker 3: He does have a significant shadow behind him, right, which
- 37:59Speaker 3: is his former employer winning so many games for a
- 38:02Speaker 3: program that was irrelevant the entire modern era.
- 38:04Speaker 2: Yeah, I am generally skeptical of hiring the interim. Right?
- 38:09Speaker 2: Just like as a rule, hiring the interim. Yeah.
- 38:12Speaker 3: The only thing worse in college is the head coach
- 38:14Speaker 3: in waiting, which never works.
- 38:16Speaker 2: Right.
- 38:16Speaker 1: But you think about the history of the interim. Bill
- 38:19Speaker 1: Stewart is a great example of the interim. Ed Ogeron
- 38:23Speaker 1: is an interesting case of the interim where you got
- 38:25Speaker 1: the best and the worst of the idea. of carrying
- 38:28Speaker 1: the interim through but like a guy that's just like
- 38:30Speaker 1: hey everybody got a little charged up and excited about
- 38:32Speaker 1: keeping them let's just keep this thing going.
- 38:36Speaker 3: I have a working theory it's not popular about interim
- 38:39Speaker 3: head coach ed orgeron at u.s clay.
- 38:41Speaker 2: Helton that was another uh higher.
- 38:44Speaker 3: Than hey man i'm a georgia southern fan i get
- 38:47Speaker 3: it uh when ed orgeron was the interim at usc
- 38:55Speaker 3: that would have been the long-term path to success for
- 38:58Speaker 3: both parties. I know what happened in 2019. It's one
- 39:01Speaker 3: of the greatest teams ever. I'm not saying that.
- 39:02Speaker 2: I get it.
- 39:04Speaker 3: But LSU also had a referendum on Ed, though, that
- 39:07Speaker 3: you weren't good enough because he was out two years later.
- 39:10Speaker 3: It was too inconsistent of a program. The Palace intrigue
- 39:12Speaker 3: got him in Baton Rouge.
- 39:14Speaker 2: Yes.
- 39:14Speaker 3: I think in Los Angeles, had they pulled the tag off,
- 39:18Speaker 3: I think he'd still be there. I think he would
- 39:19Speaker 3: have won a national championship just like he did in 2019.
- 39:23Speaker 3: Because he could go get Joe Burrow from Ohio State
- 39:25Speaker 3: and take him to USC too. I think i think
- 39:27Speaker 3: that would have been a better fit for both parties
- 39:29Speaker 3: ironically but to your point the interim almost never works
- 39:31Speaker 3: out the problem was the old miss couldn't go to
- 39:33Speaker 3: market and so how long are they going to do
- 39:36Speaker 3: this are they going to do this for two years
- 39:38Speaker 3: with him they do this for three years by the
- 39:39Speaker 3: way what are the reasonable expectations that these programs that
- 39:42Speaker 3: have become relevant during the portal era and the nil
- 39:45Speaker 3: era I don't think I'm telling a secret here, man,
- 39:48Speaker 3: but Ole Miss is spending a tremendous amount of money,
- 39:50Speaker 3: and that base is not as populated or as deep-pocketed
- 39:55Speaker 3: as a Texas A & M or a Texas or
- 39:57Speaker 3: any of these other schools they're competing with. I'm curious,
- 39:59Speaker 3: how long does this go?
- 40:02Speaker 1: Where does the Ole Miss money come from? Yeah.
- 40:06Speaker 3: It's a little bit of a mix of things. There
- 40:08Speaker 3: was always more money in the banana stand than they
- 40:10Speaker 3: wanted to give because of the administrations that they had
- 40:12Speaker 3: were pretty weak. And then also the leadership. And, but the,
- 40:15Speaker 3: when they got an IL going, there's some old money
- 40:18Speaker 3: in there, like planter class, Delta, all that kind of,
- 40:21Speaker 3: I don't know, my Delta accent's not great, but like
- 40:24Speaker 3: there's a little bit of that. But the reality in
- 40:26Speaker 3: Mississippi is that it's filled with people who think they're
- 40:28Speaker 3: millionaires because it's because they've never been around really rich folks.
- 40:32Speaker 3: There's a, Generation that's closer to me, that sort of like,
- 40:36Speaker 3: I'm an exennial or whatever, kind of like in your mid-40s,
- 40:40Speaker 3: that all went to Ole Miss before the enrollment boom
- 40:44Speaker 3: happened in the Saban era of the SEC. But they
- 40:46Speaker 3: were all from Atlanta. They were from Dallas. They were
- 40:49Speaker 3: from even like New York, New Jersey area. And they
- 40:53Speaker 3: all got into like tech, oil, et cetera. And you
- 40:57Speaker 3: get to be a big booster fish in a small pond.
- 40:59Speaker 3: And so they kind of changed everything. the calculus of
- 41:03Speaker 3: boosters at Ole Miss. It's funny because everything goes back
- 41:07Speaker 3: to the mascot and race and all that kind of stuff.
- 41:09Speaker 3: There was this consortium of white boosters my age who
- 41:14Speaker 3: had suffered through all of the just constantly stepping on
- 41:17Speaker 3: the rake national headline racial moments at Ole Miss. And
- 41:21Speaker 3: when they got a little money, they kind of used
- 41:24Speaker 3: it to push a lot of the old school native
- 41:27Speaker 3: son decision makers out in the name of just good
- 41:30Speaker 3: old commerce. And so that's where some of it comes from.
- 41:33Speaker 3: I'm curious what the sustainability is. I don't know what
- 41:35Speaker 3: that is long term because it's still not as big
- 41:38Speaker 3: as some of these other schools that we talk about.
- 41:40Speaker 3: Indiana's secret to success is there's a freaking Indiana grad everywhere.
- 41:44Speaker 3: So you mobilize them, they start writing checks. That's a
- 41:47Speaker 3: big part of what happened with Indiana.
- 41:49Speaker 1: Don't they have something like the largest living alumni base
- 41:52Speaker 1: or some crazy number like that?
- 41:54Speaker 3: Yeah. I mean, so I live in this weird north-south
- 41:58Speaker 3: border in Nashville where most of Kentucky is definitely Southern.
- 42:02Speaker 3: I don't think you'd argue that, but you get Midwest
- 42:04Speaker 3: real fast. I'm only three and a half hours from Bloomington.
- 42:08Speaker 3: And you see in these cities like Nashville and Memphis
- 42:10Speaker 3: and Louisville, like there's a more IU than there ever
- 42:13Speaker 3: have been. I mean, a lot of that too, is
- 42:15Speaker 3: just being aggressive about bringing kids in from out of state.
- 42:18Speaker 3: I'd be one of the projects I want to work on.
- 42:21Speaker 3: I know you've seen this in the media with the, uh,
- 42:24Speaker 3: like the neocon blogger types talking about how, uh, Northeast
- 42:28Speaker 3: universities are too woke.
- 42:30Speaker 2: So these kids are.
- 42:32Speaker 3: Coming down and having the time of their lives in
- 42:33Speaker 3: the SEC because it's great, it's sunny, the girls are beautiful.
- 42:37Speaker 3: This is adjacent to the whole Rush Talk conversation.
- 42:40Speaker 2: I think there's a real story there.
- 42:42Speaker 3: It's none of that. I think what's interesting is it
- 42:45Speaker 3: was extremely affordable for high population centers in America to
- 42:50Speaker 3: send usually white kids that were upper middle class down
- 42:53Speaker 3: to Southeastern Conference universities as out-of-state students for about 10
- 42:57Speaker 3: to 15 years. And it bolstered the revenue at those places,
- 43:02Speaker 3: which to go back to the Syracuse conversation, is kind
- 43:06Speaker 3: of another market indicator. I think there's something to that
- 43:09Speaker 3: to where now you're seeing these things treated like TV brands.
- 43:13Speaker 3: Because I know people in Oxford, and after this playoff run,
- 43:16Speaker 3: they are seeing applications from across the country just from
- 43:19Speaker 3: rank-and-file kids.
- 43:20Speaker 1: Not athletes, just rank-and-file kids. That effect is real. I
- 43:24Speaker 1: am fascinated by the people who are like, wow, that
- 43:26Speaker 1: team won something.
- 43:27Speaker 2: Let me apply that. I know, man.
- 43:30Speaker 3: That blows my mind. But if you think about it,
- 43:33Speaker 3: if you're going to get a liberal arts degree, if
- 43:35Speaker 3: you don't know what you're doing with your life and
- 43:37Speaker 3: you want to go drink beer and get a marketing
- 43:38Speaker 3: comms degree, it's like I guess suddenly the social aspect
- 43:43Speaker 3: of it becomes much more paramount.
- 43:45Speaker 1: Well, I am a firm believer that the number one
- 43:47Speaker 1: thing you should choose in a college is a good time.
- 43:49Speaker 2: Everything else will work itself out.
- 43:51Speaker 1: By and large, that shit really comes down to you.
- 43:54Speaker 1: The school itself, hey, once you get to the job,
- 43:55Speaker 1: we're going to figure out what it is.
- 43:57Speaker 2: But I'm a big believer.
- 43:58Speaker 1: The one thing you can't get back, nobody I know
- 44:00Speaker 1: that picked a college for a good time has ever
- 44:02Speaker 1: regretted it.
- 44:03Speaker 2: Not one person.
- 44:03Speaker 3: You're terrifying me because the problem is this. I ended
- 44:06Speaker 3: up there because I got on scholarship, spent six years there,
- 44:08Speaker 3: and was a big townie dirtbag dropout. Now I have
- 44:13Speaker 3: a 12-year-old who's obsessed with Athens and UGA. And so
- 44:17Speaker 3: if I'm going to eat that out of state for
- 44:18Speaker 3: a good time, that's going to be the cruelest of
- 44:20Speaker 3: ironies against me, bro. I don't know if we can
- 44:23Speaker 3: do that, man. Either that or podcasting business is going
- 44:26Speaker 3: to get a lot more lucrative. So, bro, I don't know.
- 44:30Speaker 3: And I got another one who wants to go to Texas.
- 44:32Speaker 2: What are we going to do there?
- 44:35Speaker 1: See, Texas, the interesting thing about if you decide to
- 44:38Speaker 1: go to Texas is you get college and city at
- 44:41Speaker 1: the same time. And that's really, really, really hard to
- 44:44Speaker 1: pull off.
- 44:45Speaker 3: I think maybe, and of course every human being's mileage
- 44:49Speaker 3: may vary, I think that's maybe the best model you
- 44:51Speaker 3: could provide somebody who's trying to learn about America and
- 44:54Speaker 3: learn about the world, is that you're not thrown into
- 44:57Speaker 3: an NYU circumstance and you're not thrown into this quaint
- 45:00Speaker 3: pastoral college town experience. By the way, what are your
- 45:04Speaker 3: thoughts on, since we're talking about Texas, the South Asian
- 45:10Speaker 3: invasion and all this stuff that happened on Saturday night?
- 45:13Speaker 2: Good night.
- 45:14Speaker 3: I didn't see that one coming.
- 45:15Speaker 1: No, I didn't know that the beef had gotten over
- 45:21Speaker 1: to that way.
- 45:22Speaker 2: I also think, though, obviously it was ridiculous that... Guys
- 45:28Speaker 2: like running for railroad commissioner or something like that. Yeah,
- 45:31Speaker 2: I checked. It's not a real office.
- 45:33Speaker 3: I mean, yeah, I'm like.
- 45:35Speaker 2: Well, the railroad commissioner is a big deal in Texas.
- 45:37Speaker 2: I forget. There's something else that's under the railroad commission.
- 45:40Speaker 2: I can't remember what it is, but the railroad commission
- 45:42Speaker 2: is an office....
- 45:45Speaker 3: Republican nominee for Texas Railroad Commissioner, O & G Regulations.
- 45:48Speaker 3: And then he claims he's an entrepreneur. I mean, his
- 45:52Speaker 3: entire profile looks AI-generated, and I kind of thought it
- 45:55Speaker 3: was a joke for a minute, and then I realized, no,
- 45:56Speaker 3: this is a real person.
- 45:58Speaker 1: Yeah, and he basically said, this is what college is becoming,
- 46:00Speaker 1: and it was a picture of a bunch of South
- 46:01Speaker 1: Asians at the football game. And, I mean, I guess
- 46:06Speaker 1: he thought that the international student band would stop the
- 46:09Speaker 1: ones that have been here for a long time.
- 46:11Speaker 2: Nope. And Houston got a gang of them. They show
- 46:13Speaker 2: it up, right?
- 46:14Speaker 1: Like, you just got to deal with this.
- 46:17Speaker 4: But the one thing I wonder when I see something
- 46:19Speaker 4: like that, though, is as wrong as that was, did
- 46:23Speaker 4: we gain anything from the promotion of it through the ostracism? Like,
- 46:29Speaker 4: it's my dilemma because we don't want to create a
- 46:31Speaker 4: world where people feel like.
- 46:32Speaker 1: They do that and there are no consequences. But, like,
- 46:35Speaker 1: now I've made this man famous.
- 46:37Speaker 3: See, I'm glad you said that. Because I have had
- 46:41Speaker 3: arguments in the, in the, in the white left circles
- 46:44Speaker 3: all the time where I'm saying, Hey man, I'm not
- 46:47Speaker 3: saying that he should have the right. I'm not doing,
- 46:50Speaker 3: we're not doing that argument. What I'm saying is there's
- 46:52Speaker 3: a great at listen when they tell you, right? I'm
- 46:55Speaker 3: of the opinion that they need to get this out. So,
- 47:00Speaker 3: you know, right. We came from, we came from a
- 47:02Speaker 3: more coded era and now that, our boy Beau French
- 47:07Speaker 3: feels emboldened enough to say this. I feel like that,
- 47:09Speaker 3: I think is what you're saying, is that's kind of
- 47:11Speaker 3: instructive to a lot of people, right? People are hung
- 47:15Speaker 3: up on the gall that he had to say it
- 47:18Speaker 3: and put his whole chest behind all that part. That's
- 47:20Speaker 3: what people are hung up on. Whereas what I'm saying is,
- 47:23Speaker 3: this is data. Listen when they tell you.
- 47:25Speaker 2: That's what I say all the time.
- 47:26Speaker 3: Listen when they tell you. And so maybe that's the
- 47:29Speaker 3: positive to take from this.
- 47:30Speaker 1: The terrifying part is, I think that was a risk-free
- 47:34Speaker 1: thing for him to do as somebody running as a
- 47:37Speaker 1: Republican for statewide office in Texas.
- 47:40Speaker 2: You know, he only stood to gain.
- 47:42Speaker 1: That's what's so crazy about this time.
- 47:44Speaker 2: He only stood to gain. Probably.
- 47:49Speaker 3: One of the things I'm working on right now as
- 47:50Speaker 3: a project, I've been working on it for two years,
- 47:52Speaker 3: and it's about the change in American football and Latino cultures.
- 47:56Speaker 3: And I've been in South Texas a lot this year,
- 47:58Speaker 3: like a lot. And when I say South Texas, I'm
- 48:00Speaker 3: not talking San Antonio. You mean like the Valley.
- 48:03Speaker 2: Yes, sir.
- 48:03Speaker 3: I'm talking about McAllen. I'm talking about Roma. I'm talking
- 48:07Speaker 3: about Laredo. I do think there's a turn coming. I
- 48:11Speaker 3: know the purple Texas thing has been talked about to
- 48:14Speaker 3: death for 10 years, and I know everybody wants to
- 48:17Speaker 3: get good and fuzzy about Tallarico and all that. I
- 48:19Speaker 3: understand that, but I'm telling you, whether they like it
- 48:22Speaker 3: or not, the pro-business mindset that they drilled into the
- 48:27Speaker 3: ethos of that state has diversified it, whether you like
- 48:29Speaker 3: it or not. There are certain minority populations. What's really
- 48:33Speaker 3: fun is in late stage Trump, I think like just
- 48:36Speaker 3: good old fashioned racism is realizing that they've only been
- 48:39Speaker 3: as like they've really only operated here. There's a wealth
- 48:42Speaker 3: of other things you can be discriminatory about. And they're
- 48:44Speaker 3: just now like Nashville's got the biggest Kurdish population in
- 48:47Speaker 3: the United States.
- 48:48Speaker 2: And the people really for office here just figured that out. Yeah.
- 48:51Speaker 2: They just figured that out like a year ago.
- 48:53Speaker 3: And then all of a sudden it's an invasion, even
- 48:54Speaker 3: though they lived in the same two neighborhoods for 30 years.
- 48:57Speaker 1: Yeah.
- 48:59Speaker 3: Look, man, you know, you make enough albums, you got
- 49:01Speaker 3: to change your sound up.
- 49:02Speaker 2: I don't know.
- 49:02Speaker 3: Like, it's been funny to watch. Yeah, that kind of
- 49:06Speaker 3: took on a life of its own on Saturday night.
- 49:08Speaker 3: I was really just kind of shocked. Felt bad, but
- 49:10Speaker 3: also I was like, yeah, I mean, that's par for
- 49:12Speaker 3: the course in 26. Hey, man.
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