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Sharri | 30 March · Sharri

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Speaker 1: News is Sharry.
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Speaker 2: Good Evening tonight to Anthony.
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Speaker 3: Albanezi finally cuts the fuel exise to give drivers relief
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Speaker 3: more than four weeks after the war began. Angus Taylor
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Speaker 3: counsels Andrew Hasty on his unhelpful tax comments, plus why
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Speaker 3: his colleagues say he's wrong to criticize Trump on the
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Speaker 3: Iran war and the pro Palestinian Cairo takeaway. Finally apologizes
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Speaker 3: to Jewish man Afear Birenbaum, paying him an undisclosed sum
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Speaker 3: of money, and in another apology the Financial Review backflips
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Speaker 3: and admits this cartoon was offensive. I mean we told
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Speaker 3: them that from the start. More on that shortly when
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Speaker 3: now in the fifth week of the fuel crisis, and
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Speaker 3: finally the Albanezy government is taking this seriously. Today the
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Speaker 3: Prime Minister held a national cabinet where he announced he'd
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Speaker 3: have the fuel excise for three months. He also said
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Speaker 3: that the heavy beer called road user charge would be
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Speaker 3: cut to zero for three months to ease pressure on
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Speaker 3: truckes and freight crosts, and the planned increase in that
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Speaker 3: charge has now been delayed by six months. The change
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Speaker 3: is kicking from April to first. The change to the
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Speaker 3: fuel exise means a cut of twenty six point three
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Speaker 3: cents a liter from petrol and diesel, which saves we're
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Speaker 3: told about nineteen dollars on a sixty five liter tank.
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Speaker 3: Alban Easy and Treasurer Jim Chalmers spoke after the National
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Speaker 3: Cabinet meeting.
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Speaker 2: Here they were today.
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Speaker 4: Today we're announcing the Conworth government will harve the fuel
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Speaker 4: excise on petrol and diesel for three months. Our government
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Speaker 4: will reduce the heavy vehicle road user charge to zero
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Speaker 4: for three months to help truckies continue their bital work
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Speaker 4: for our nation.
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Speaker 5: The cost of what we are announcing today is two
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Speaker 5: point five five billion dollars, and the revenue foregone by
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Speaker 5: delaying the increase in the heavy vehicle road user charge
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Speaker 5: is about another fifty three million dollars.
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Speaker 3: Now, the Albanese government had been insisting, including last week,
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Speaker 3: including a day ago, that they weren't going to do this.
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Speaker 2: Now.
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Speaker 3: You'll recall at the start of the Russian Ukraine War,
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Speaker 3: when fuel price is searched, the then Prime Minister Scott
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Speaker 3: Morrison cut the fuel exise in response for six months,
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Speaker 3: and in an exclusive interview on this show last week,
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Speaker 3: Morrison argued that there was even more of a case
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Speaker 3: for this to happen.
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Speaker 6: Now they've got to make their own calls on this.
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Speaker 6: The reason we did it is because this made it
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Speaker 6: very clear at the time that the war was going
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Speaker 6: to have a very significant impact on these prices. And
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Speaker 6: the government has now faced with similar circumstances and some
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Speaker 6: hard calls to make.
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Speaker 3: Just like when Albanezi called the Royal Commission, it was
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Speaker 3: only when there was strong voter backlash as reflected in
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Speaker 3: the polls. Now this is temporary relief and it is important,
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Speaker 3: But as Opposition leader Angus Taylor is set on Sky
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Speaker 3: News last night, the bigger issue is that it's crucial
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Speaker 3: to ensure we're self reliant.
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Speaker 7: If we're going to fix this, the best answer is
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Speaker 7: to have the crude oil and being able to process
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Speaker 7: that ourselves. But that crude oil has been running down
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Speaker 7: for many years and we've got a drill, drill, drill,
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Speaker 7: if we're going to fix it now.
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Speaker 3: This isn't the first time we've been impacted by global
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Speaker 3: supply issues on fuel, and it won't be the last
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Speaker 3: time either. If there's any conflict involving China, for example,
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Speaker 3: in the future, this would.
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Speaker 2: Also impact on supply and pricing.
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Speaker 3: Albanezi has admitted in speeches, even mentioned it today that
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Speaker 3: we do need to be more self reliant, but he's
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Speaker 3: not doing anything tangible about it. He is under pressure,
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Speaker 3: with Newspole showing labor at its lowest point since the election,
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Speaker 3: and the political pressure should be firmly on the Albanese
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Speaker 3: government over this crisis. It is one that they've created,
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Speaker 3: as Camerra Milner explains, and he's going to be on
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Speaker 3: the show in a little while. Yet Liberal m P
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Speaker 3: Andrew Hasty sought to take that pressure off alban Easy
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Speaker 3: and redirect it to Donald Trump.
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Speaker 8: I think this was a huge miscalculation. Iran has managed
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Speaker 8: to pretty much hold the whole world economy to ransom,
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Speaker 8: and because we're at the end of a very long
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Speaker 8: supply chain, we're going to experience pain.
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Speaker 9: Now.
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Speaker 3: This is not the official position of the coalition and everyone,
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Speaker 3: all of the colleagues that I've spoken to today not
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Speaker 3: only don't agree with him, but they're frustrated by his intervention.
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Speaker 3: They say he's freelancing on policy, just like he did
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Speaker 3: when Susan Lee was a leader, and they say the
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Speaker 3: reason he's doing it is to advance his own brand
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Speaker 3: because he wants to be leader in the future. Dave Shama,
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Speaker 3: the former aund bass It to Israel, he made it
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Speaker 3: clear when he was speaking to Pete Stepanovic this morning
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Speaker 3: that he doesn't agree with Andrew Hasty.
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Speaker 10: Iran's ability to do what it has been doing for
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Speaker 10: the last thirty years, which has support terrorist groups abroad,
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Speaker 10: threatened its neighbors, so instability and basically behave as if
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Speaker 10: it wants to be the regional hegemonic power is going
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Speaker 10: to be vastly diminished regardless of who's running that country.
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Speaker 10: You need to put that in the positive column. You know,
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Speaker 10: it doesn't mean that it won't be matched by negatives
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Speaker 10: or outweigh but we need to recognize that the degradation
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Speaker 10: of Iran's military, nuclear, ballistic missile and war fighting capabilities,
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Speaker 10: which has already happened, is a positive in and of itself,
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Speaker 10: is of.
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Speaker 3: Course one hundred percent right. But more than that, what
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Speaker 3: Andrew Hasty needs to remember is that Australians living here
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Speaker 3: in Australia have come under attack because of Iran. As
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Speaker 3: the Prime Minister himself said, Iran was behind at least
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Speaker 3: two terror attacks maybe more on Australian soil in the
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Speaker 3: past eighteen months, and this includes serious fire bombings that.
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Speaker 2: Could have cost lives.
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Speaker 3: So there are crucial reasons to disarm Iran. Former editor
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Speaker 3: in chief of The Australian Chris Mitchell writes today about
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Speaker 3: how the outright hostility to Donald Trump and to Israel
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Speaker 3: colors the media's reporting of Iran war, and he points
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Speaker 3: out how Western journalists ignore the desire of the Arab
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Speaker 3: Gulf States, Israel, Lebanon and long suffering Iranians for an
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Speaker 3: end to the violence.
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Speaker 2: The country's mullers.
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Speaker 3: Have spread throughout the Middle East. So yes, the petrol
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Speaker 3: prices are very difficult, but we need to remember the historic,
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Speaker 3: the important, the imperative reason for this war. Iran is
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Speaker 3: spreading terror regionally and globally, even in Australia. And while
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Speaker 3: they're there is an oil shock, as Dave Sharma said,
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Speaker 3: he expects it will only be temporary.
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Speaker 10: Yes, we've had a shock to oil prices, but it's
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Speaker 10: not necessarily an enduring shocking.
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Speaker 3: President Trump is currently trying to negotiate an end to
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Speaker 3: the war where Iran would commit to giving up its
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Speaker 3: nuclear weapon program and its reign of terror.
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Speaker 1: Well.
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Speaker 3: To add to the pressure on Iran, thousands of American
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Speaker 3: troops have arrived in the region ready for a ground
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Speaker 3: assault if required. It's unlikely they'll be required, but they're
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Speaker 3: also a major deterrent. In the meantime, the Australian government
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Speaker 3: does need to help drivers and needs to make changes
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Speaker 3: to ensure we're not reliant on global oil supply chains again,
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Speaker 3: and this is a lesson we should have learned on
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Speaker 3: self reliance after the COVID pandemic. Now you might remember
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Speaker 3: the controversial undercover stink when the Daily Telegraph took a
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Speaker 3: Jewish man into a pro Palestinian cafe to see.
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Speaker 2: What the reaction would be.
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Speaker 3: Now, that was Cairo Takeaway in Sydney's Newtown, where the
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Speaker 3: owner had called Zionists.
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Speaker 2: Pigs on social media.
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Speaker 3: Now, if you only vaguely remember that, here's a reminder
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Speaker 3: of that story from February last year that involved the
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Speaker 3: Jewish man.
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Speaker 2: A fear Breenbaum.
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Speaker 11: Tuesday afternoon and Cairo Takeaway cafe is buzzing when a
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Speaker 11: man wearing a star of David cap walks in and
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Speaker 11: orders a hibiscus tea. He moves to the back of
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Speaker 11: the cafe, wearing glasses with a camera.
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Speaker 2: He turns them on and he leaves in fact that
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Speaker 2: last bit wasn't true.
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Speaker 3: A Fear wasn't wearing smart glasses, but he was recording
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Speaker 3: the entire time, and so there was a factual version
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Speaker 3: of events that a Fear was able to produce. Now,
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Speaker 3: I told you in September that a Fear was suing
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Speaker 3: the cafes owners for defamation, accusing them of making inaccurate
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Speaker 3: claims about his conduct during that social experiment. Well tonight
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Speaker 3: I can report that Cairo Takeaway has publicly apologized to
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Speaker 3: a Fear. I also understand that they've paid him an
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Speaker 3: undisclosed amount of compensation. This was after the cafes owner
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Speaker 3: and other staff posted about the stunt prolifically on social
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Speaker 3: media and their version of events was believed. This sparked
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Speaker 3: a massive backlash from the media and politicians, going all
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Speaker 3: the way up to the Home Affairs Minister Tony Burke.
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Speaker 3: You can see his statement now on your screen. And
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Speaker 3: then Green Senator David Shubrich even raised money for the
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Speaker 3: cafes legal bills on his social media.
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Speaker 4: I'm David Shubridge, Green Senator, and I'm here because Cairo
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Speaker 4: Takeaway stands for something really important.
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Speaker 9: It's a business is hit with the community. It's a
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Speaker 9: business that.
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Speaker 7: Represents its values and it's a business that's been standing
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Speaker 7: up with Palestine.
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Speaker 3: The media was brutal, accusing the Telegraph of trying to
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Speaker 3: stir up antisemitism. The overall perception was that a fear
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Speaker 3: had attempted to fabricate an anti Semitic incident and had
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Speaker 3: made highly provocative statements.
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Speaker 2: He was the victim here.
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Speaker 3: He was subject to horrific abuse as a result of
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Speaker 3: the false stories. He even had his home raided by police.
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Speaker 3: His Star of David pendant, his mug and David was seized.
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Speaker 3: This is horrendous abuse of an innocent man. Again, it's
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Speaker 3: because the cafe had been believed and not him, and
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Speaker 3: it's why, after the deformation action by high profile solicitor
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Speaker 3: Rebecca Giles, Cairo has now apologized and paid compensation. A
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Speaker 3: statement posted to Cairo Takeaway social media today states Cairo
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Speaker 3: Takeaway accepts that mister Breenbaum was polite to staff when
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Speaker 3: he entered the premises and purchased a drink, and.
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Speaker 2: They unreservedly apologized.
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Speaker 3: To him for the false and diffamatory statements to the media.
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Speaker 3: Bireenbaum refused to comment on the amount of compensation paid
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Speaker 3: to him, other than to say he's pleased with the
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Speaker 3: confidential terms of the resolution. And Rebecca Giles said in
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Speaker 3: a statement today, this is an important win for Afear,
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Speaker 3: Birrenbaum and the Australian Jewish community. It's vindication for Jews
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Speaker 3: across the globe who've been falsely accused of staging acts
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Speaker 3: of anti Semitism. How quickly our media, politicians and community
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Speaker 3: leaders adopted the anti Semitic trope being peddled by this
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Speaker 3: cafe and its staff, And then after the video footage
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Speaker 3: of the incident was released exonerating a fear, how quickly
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Speaker 3: did the guilty parties offer up context to their lies.
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Speaker 3: But you have to ask why the media and politicians
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Speaker 3: were so quick to believe Cairo and not a Fear,
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Speaker 3: especially when you look at the cafe's history. The Daily
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Speaker 3: Mail reported that, in response to a social media comment
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Speaker 3: about a mural of a raised fist in the colors
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Speaker 3: of the Palestinian flag and I'm quoting the Daily Mail here,
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Speaker 3: the owner of a popular Sydney restaurant has told narcissistic
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Speaker 3: Zionists to stay away from his venue in an abusive
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Speaker 3: post on Instagram, mister l Massri wrote, Cairo Restaurant does
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Speaker 3: not want narcissistic zionist pigs like yourself coming into our restaurant.
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Speaker 3: People like yourself are not welcome here and anywhere for
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Speaker 3: that matter. The walls are closing in on your type.
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Speaker 3: Your narrative is becoming old f off.
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Speaker 2: Then the chef at that.
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Speaker 3: Cafe had posted this on June the sixth, twenty twenty four.
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Speaker 3: October seven wasn't nearly enough, and then this on June
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Speaker 3: the thirteenth, twenty twenty four. There are no zon as civilians.
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Speaker 3: They are all murdering lunatics. October seven wasn't nearly enough.
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Speaker 3: There are other examples as well. Yet they were believed,
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Speaker 3: and if Fear was not, there was a terrible pylon
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Speaker 3: against him. Now, as part of this settlement, the Daily
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Speaker 3: Telegraph has also apologized to Cairo Takeaway for causing distress
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Speaker 3: to the cafe staff. Well, perhaps now Home Affairs Minister
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Speaker 3: Tony Burke should apologize and retract.
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Speaker 2: His comments too. I fear, in his statement reference the
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Speaker 2: comments of politicians.
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Speaker 3: This is what a fear has said. I have been
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Speaker 3: completely vindicated. After more than four hundred days. My defamation
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Speaker 3: proceedings against Cairo Takeaway have settled, and I've been given
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Speaker 3: an unreserved public apology for the lies they told about me.
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Speaker 3: Those lies were amplified by media, seized upon by politicians,
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Speaker 3: and repeated by commentators who rushed to condemn and who
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Speaker 3: are now nowhere to be found. He's right, the media,
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Speaker 3: commentators politicians were quick to join the pylon, but they're
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Speaker 3: missing now that a Fears version of events has been
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Speaker 3: proven correct. Let's return to the government's decision to have
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Speaker 3: the fuel excise for the next three months. This is
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Speaker 3: despite the fact the Treasurer and the Prime Minister said
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Speaker 3: the government wasn't considering this measure last week. And not
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Speaker 3: only that, but when Scott Morrison cut the fuel exise
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Speaker 3: back in twenty twenty two, alban Easy mocked him for it.
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Speaker 2: Have a look at that.
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Speaker 4: The cost of living measures that he spoke about are
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Speaker 4: all temporary. They have all the sincerity of a fake tan.
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Speaker 4: They disappear once people have cast their vote, and then
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Speaker 4: people are back on their own again.
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Speaker 3: So that's a Prime minister saying temporary fuel excise among
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Speaker 3: other cost of living measures, have all the sincerity of
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Speaker 3: a fake tan. We're joining me now is Shadow Home
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Speaker 3: Affairs Minister Jonathan Dunhiam Joho.
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Speaker 2: Good to see you.
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Speaker 3: A bit of a backflip from Albin EASi from a
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Speaker 3: few years ago, sincerity of a fake tan. Now he's
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Speaker 3: implementing a very similar fuel excise reprieve.
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Speaker 1: And Shari, it's good to be with you.
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Speaker 12: Will never get an explanation of the massive backflip that
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Speaker 12: he's done, but the winners out of this other people
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Speaker 12: of Australia. It's why Angus Taylor at the end of
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Speaker 12: last week publicly called on the government to do exactly
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Speaker 12: what it is they've done. At the time, he was
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Speaker 12: derided for driving up demand. It was unnecessary, it was whipping.
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Speaker 1: Up fear in the community.
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Speaker 12: This is the government who want to and a bit
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Speaker 12: weeks ago said that there was no shortage of fuel
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Speaker 12: in this country and there was nothing to be worried about.
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Speaker 1: Yet here we now have a number of.
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Speaker 12: Measures they have undertaken and we give them credit, even
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Speaker 12: if it is because they have taken the ideas.
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Speaker 1: We'd advanced when they were mocking us.
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Speaker 12: At the end of the day, though, this is where
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Speaker 12: material government comes in and I think they've seen the light.
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Speaker 12: They've got a lot more to do though, when it
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Speaker 12: comes to supply like exploration, extraction and refinement. Here some
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Speaker 12: proper long term measures that will deal with this lack
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Speaker 12: of sovereign capability when it comes to refining our own oil.
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Speaker 1: I think is important for them to consider.
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Speaker 3: Just on the feel excise, economists are concerned that this
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Speaker 3: could actually make the problem worse by reducing the cost
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Speaker 3: barrier to fuel and thus increasing the demand for fuel.
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Speaker 3: Had an economist who talked us through this on the
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Speaker 3: show last week. So are you concerned that this could
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Speaker 3: actually do two things, one push up inflation again and
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Speaker 3: secondly actually increase the demand for fuel because it's a
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Speaker 3: little bit cheaper.
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Speaker 1: Well, I think we also have to look at the
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Speaker 1: counter to this.
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Speaker 12: If we don't have the reduction in the exis, and
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Speaker 12: if the prices continue to escalators, they may well do
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Speaker 12: with this conflict and supply issues that the country will face.
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Speaker 12: Then it's not just affordability issues. People are going to
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Speaker 12: be going without. They're not going to be going to work.
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Speaker 12: We're going to have trucks of course that won't be
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Speaker 12: delivering goods to market. We will have supermarkets running out
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Speaker 12: of food and a whole range of consequences that will
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Speaker 12: flow the supply issue, which of course is something to
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Speaker 12: look at when you deal with these issues of demand.
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Speaker 12: The government tell us that all of the shipments we
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Speaker 12: have scheduled are coming. Indeed, the Government have made the
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Speaker 12: claim that we have more fuel in the country today
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Speaker 12: than we did three weeks ago.
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Speaker 1: To that end, I would argue.
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Speaker 12: That these claims that it's going to spike demand and
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Speaker 12: people are going to rush out and purchase copious amounts
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Speaker 12: of fuel is unfounded. Something needed to happen to bring
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Speaker 12: down the cost, or else we would have been in
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Speaker 12: all sorts of economic pain, both at the household level
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Speaker 12: and globally.
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Speaker 3: You say it's unfounded, but the government is insisting that
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Speaker 3: it currently there's one hundred percent more fuel being used.
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Speaker 12: Do you accept that, Well, that is off the back
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Speaker 12: of concerns around supply, That is off the back of
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Speaker 12: eight hundred and seventy service stations in parts of Australia
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Speaker 12: being without fuel. Now, again, if the macro claim by
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Speaker 12: the government, which is that we have more fuel in
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Speaker 12: this country than we did before, is to be believed,
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Speaker 12: then now it is on the government to ensure that
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Speaker 12: that fuel gets to where it needs to. So these
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Speaker 12: triggers or signals which are causing panic, that is people
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Speaker 12: seeing empty bowsers is reduced. I think that you will
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Speaker 12: see a reduction in that sort of behavior and a
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Speaker 12: return to normal consumption activity if we see a normal
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Speaker 12: flow and distribution of fuel across the country. This is
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Speaker 12: where the government to fail. They've fixed the price issue,
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Speaker 12: or at least attempted to.
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Speaker 1: Now it's about distribution.
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Speaker 2: All right. Look, just to change topic for a moment.
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Speaker 3: The Australians reporting tonight that Angus Taylor is set to
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Speaker 3: formally counsel senior front betcher Andrew Hasty after he called
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Speaker 3: for the Liberal Party to be open minded on new taxes,
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Speaker 3: including clamping down a negative gearing in the capital gains
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Speaker 3: tax discount. What's your view on what Andrew Hasty had
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Speaker 3: to say They're about being open minded on taxes.
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Speaker 12: I think it's a much ado about nothing, Frankly, I mean.
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Speaker 1: Honestly, he said it on proposition.
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Speaker 2: He said it on camera.
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Speaker 3: He said it on camera, and we've all seen it
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Speaker 3: tonight on every program that's been on air.
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Speaker 1: Sure yep.
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Speaker 12: Look, and if someone advances a proposition to a politician
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Speaker 12: and they dismiss.
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Speaker 1: It out of hand. I think they're being irresponsible.
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Speaker 12: Our starting principle is liberals is that more taxes are bad.
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Speaker 12: More tax on something means less of that something. Taxes
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Speaker 12: on houses means less houses, for example. To that end, though,
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Speaker 12: I mean that being the starting point in a liberals
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Speaker 12: thinking about taxes and how they have an impact on
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Speaker 12: what we do as a society. Then let's look at
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Speaker 12: the specifics of what's being put forward here. And I
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Speaker 12: think it is, as I say, irresponsible not to go
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Speaker 12: through that process. I dare say, the end outcome when
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Speaker 12: it comes to increasing taxes, broadening taxes, removing concessions on
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Speaker 12: tax items is going to be a bad one and
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Speaker 12: we would not support adding of taxes.
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Speaker 2: But it's a conversise set to you, John responsible.
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Speaker 3: I said to you, John, do you think the coalition
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Speaker 3: should consider changes to negative gearing?
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Speaker 2: What would you say?
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Speaker 12: Well, if you wanted to change the negative gearing to
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Speaker 12: increase the ability for people to invest in investment houses,
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Speaker 12: then sure. If we wanted to tweak the rate to
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Speaker 12: incentivize further investment, that's a good thing.
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Speaker 1: This is the point I make.
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Speaker 3: So you're saying, I just want to be clear about this.
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Speaker 3: So you're saying that you agree with Andrew Hasty and
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Speaker 3: you're open to.
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Speaker 12: This, Well, what is it I'm supposed to be open
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Speaker 12: to because we can have a nebulous conversation if you.
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Speaker 1: Want me to.
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Speaker 2: Well, very specifically.
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Speaker 1: About negative gearing, that's a bad.
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Speaker 2: Well, that's what Labors put forward.
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Speaker 3: You know. Labour's policy is to remove some of the
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Speaker 3: reduce some of the concessions for negative gearing and for
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Speaker 3: capital gains tax. Well they might scrap negative gearing, we
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Speaker 3: don't know, but at least to remove some of the
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Speaker 3: concessions for the capital gains tax discount. So you open
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Speaker 3: to these sort of changes.
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Speaker 1: Not to those changes. No, I'm not to say changes.
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Speaker 12: And this is what I took from what Andrew Hasty
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Speaker 12: had to say. Having conversations around changes to the taxation
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Speaker 12: system should be had.
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Speaker 1: But should we support.
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Speaker 12: Bad propositions like the ones Labor advances.
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Speaker 1: No.
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Speaker 12: I don't recall him saying we should sign up to
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Speaker 12: what Labor's proposing here. But I think he was doing
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Speaker 12: what mature parties of government like the Liberal and National
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Speaker 12: Party and the Labor Party two for it it's worth do,
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Speaker 12: and that is talk about changes that might actually.
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Speaker 1: Enhance economic activity. So no, I don't support Labour's terrible ideas.
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Speaker 12: But what I do support is having an adult conversation
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Speaker 12: about changes we're required.
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Speaker 3: With without hard in the shadow cabinet room rather than
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Speaker 3: on ABC television.
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Speaker 12: Sure, but ideally that is exactly where we have our conversations. Look,
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Speaker 12: Andrew was asked a question, he gave an answer, and
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Speaker 12: as I said before, I think that you.
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Speaker 2: Think his approach.
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Speaker 3: If you think his approach is mature, do you think
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Speaker 3: Anger Taylor's therefore wrong to counsel him.
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Speaker 12: Well, again, we've got a newspaper report suggesting this is happening.
23:09
Speaker 12: What we will do as a coalition is we will
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Speaker 12: come up with our own policies that actually deal with you're.
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Speaker 3: Not suggesting this inaccurate. I mean this will be very
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Speaker 3: well sourced. Angus Taylor is set to formally counsel Well,
23:24
Speaker 3: I'll read it to you. Angus Taylor is set to
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Speaker 3: formally counsel senior front bencher Andrew Hasty after he called
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Speaker 3: for the Liberal Party to be open minded on new taxes,
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Speaker 3: including clamping down a negative gearing and the capital gains
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Speaker 3: tax discount. So do you think Angus Taylor should be
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Speaker 3: counseling Andrew Hasty.
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Speaker 12: Look, I'm sure they'll have a conversation like I've had
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Speaker 12: conversations with Angus, as I've had conversations with all of
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Speaker 12: my colleagues. I don't know whether that's going to happen,
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Speaker 12: or indeed what the contents of such a conversation would be.
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Speaker 12: But the good thing is, Charry, is that we as
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Speaker 12: a party are strong enough to have differences of opinion,
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Speaker 12: sometimes talk about them publicly as we have, and at
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Speaker 12: the end of this, in a robust way, come up
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Speaker 12: with the best offering, the best solution, the best policies.
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Speaker 12: And yes, we've got a lot of work to do,
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Speaker 12: we're a long way behind. But under Angus, under his leadership,
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Speaker 12: with Andrew Hasty, with James Patterson, with michaelia Cash, with
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Speaker 12: the whole team, we're going to.
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Speaker 2: Turn this round, all right, Jono, dannieam, I appreciate your time.
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Speaker 13: Well.
24:26
Speaker 3: In The Nightly Tonight, our regular panelist and former Labor
24:30
Speaker 3: State Secretary Camer Milner argues that the fuel crisis is
24:33
Speaker 3: entirely government delivered. He says there's no filling of jerry
24:37
Speaker 3: cans in Tokyo because their government made sure they had
24:40
Speaker 3: two hundred and forty days of onshore supply compared to
24:44
Speaker 3: Australia's barely thirty. The Albaneze government makes up who to
24:48
Speaker 3: blame next at their daily nine am team's call with
24:51
Speaker 3: labor press secretaries while they work from home or embrace
24:55
Speaker 3: inner city free public transport. Albanize initially shirked calls for
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Speaker 3: their to even be a nationally coordinated response, and Cameron
25:03
Speaker 3: Milner says this.
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Speaker 2: Was truly Albanesi's I.
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Speaker 3: Don't hold a hose moment, and joining me now is
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Speaker 3: Milner himself.
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Speaker 2: Cameron, this is another excellent column.
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Speaker 3: Do you think Albanezy has mishandled this crisis?
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Speaker 14: Look, I think he has and I think that's what
25:21
Speaker 14: you know, the Poles are saying. That's what people are saying,
25:24
Speaker 14: because every day is a different story, every days a
25:26
Speaker 14: different idea from this government. There's no consistency, there's no
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Speaker 14: strength of leadership, and that's what's worrying people out there.
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Speaker 14: You know, we all came through COVID and we saw
25:34
Speaker 14: governments make fundamental mistakes, Shari, fundamental mistakes with our human rights.
25:39
Speaker 14: And I worry that the Australian people know what governments
25:41
Speaker 14: are like when they have pandemics and crises and then
25:44
Speaker 14: they ad aurb the ease to top of it. No
25:46
Speaker 14: wonder people out there looking after their family, looking after
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Speaker 14: their jobs. And yes, as I say, you know, if
25:51
Speaker 14: you're going to drill, baby drill, maybe get a Jerry
25:53
Speaker 14: Cannon fill baby film.
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Speaker 3: I mean, they're finally acting today, there's finally a national
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Speaker 3: cabinet with some tangible outcomes the fuel excise. But Cameron,
26:04
Speaker 3: you know they've been pains to point out they don't
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Speaker 3: want to introduce pandemic style measures such as work from
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Speaker 3: home or fuel rationing.
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Speaker 2: Do you think that?
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Speaker 3: And quite frankly, the reason they've probably acted on the
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Speaker 3: fuel x sise and which the measures they've announced today
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Speaker 3: are costing two point five billion dollars, would be because
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Speaker 3: they realized this is hurting them in the polse.
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Speaker 14: Absolutely. I mean, you know, Petrol's putting a huge fire
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Speaker 14: out there in terms of labors vote. But no, Look,
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Speaker 14: what's the point of having a tax cut if you
26:38
Speaker 14: can't actually get the fuel itself, If the bowser doesn't
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Speaker 14: actually give you anything else, it doesn't matter what the
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Speaker 14: tax rate is. And I think that's the problem in
26:44
Speaker 14: to John A. Junior's point. Before you know, they might
26:47
Speaker 14: have fixed the text, they're not going to fix the
26:48
Speaker 14: supply side. I mean, if you look at other countries
26:50
Speaker 14: in Southeast Asia, they're turning street lights off, they're turning
26:53
Speaker 14: heating systems off, they're running out of gas. I mean,
26:55
Speaker 14: this is a crisis across our whole region, but made
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Speaker 14: worse by government that was lazy and complacent and thought
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Speaker 14: you could trust the Middle East, thought you could trust
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Speaker 14: Islamist terrorist state like Iran to keep the strain of
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Speaker 14: moves open. Like goodness me, that was our field security plan.
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Speaker 15: No.
27:10
Speaker 14: So in the end, Australians I think are voting with
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Speaker 14: their feet. They're not certainly not supporting the Owlby's government,
27:15
Speaker 14: and they're looking after their family and their jobs and
27:18
Speaker 14: looking after their own personal field security in this crisis
27:22
Speaker 14: you just.
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Speaker 3: Mentioned John o'donnhiam there. What did you make of his
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Speaker 3: responses to those last questions. I mean he couldn't properly
27:28
Speaker 3: say that, you know, Hasty was wrong to suggest tax rises.
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Speaker 2: It's extraordinary.
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Speaker 1: I mean this has been this has been slow moving.
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Speaker 13: He made those.
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Speaker 3: Comments Andrew Hasty yesterday morning. I mean it's been what
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Speaker 3: thirty something hours since then. You'd think they would have
27:44
Speaker 3: worked out their lines.
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Speaker 1: You would, wouldn't you.
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Speaker 14: It was a slow moving train wreck of an interview
27:49
Speaker 14: and you asked all the right questions, Shari, and he
27:52
Speaker 14: answered them terribly, like there was just like you know,
27:54
Speaker 14: word salads coming from him. It was terrible. And to
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Speaker 14: your point, Hasty, you know, is obviously out there with CV.
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Speaker 14: He missed out on the top job. He's out there
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Speaker 14: with the CV again, trying to be a headline, a
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Speaker 14: walking headline, is Hasty and so but yeah, not to
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Speaker 14: have an answer. As a scenior shadow cabinet minister, you
28:09
Speaker 14: might have been Hasty's mate, but you'd have to have
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Speaker 14: a line, surely, and a line better than ones he
28:14
Speaker 14: gave you, Sharhi.
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Speaker 3: Tonight exactly, especially being shadow Home Affairs minister. The latest
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Speaker 3: news port does, yeah, the latest newsport does show this
28:23
Speaker 3: is hurting labor. But we've still got one nation ahead
28:28
Speaker 3: of the coalition, so this is very difficult position. I mean,
28:33
Speaker 3: Angus Taylor's slightly improved things and it is working hard
28:36
Speaker 3: and his messages are of course better than Susan.
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Speaker 2: Lee, but still a long way to go. When one
28:41
Speaker 2: nation is decisively ahead of the coalition.
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Speaker 13: That's right.
28:46
Speaker 14: And look, one Nation has taken originally from the coalition
28:49
Speaker 14: and they're now taking from labor, so they're mustling labor
28:51
Speaker 14: out and working class suburbs. Is an excellent article today
28:54
Speaker 14: about the Sea Layla where working class people are turning
28:57
Speaker 14: to One Nation because people are desperately upset with this
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Speaker 14: Laban's government. You know, they're completely dismayed that this is
29:03
Speaker 14: a labor government led by Alberanies, and so voters are
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Speaker 14: looking for any alternative and the tailor is not it
29:08
Speaker 14: unfortunately right now, I mean, the Liberal Party are going
29:10
Speaker 14: through our own existential crisis, so people are plumbing for
29:13
Speaker 14: something which looks like certainty. I mean Pauline. I don't
29:16
Speaker 14: agree with her, but I will say she stands for
29:18
Speaker 14: something and stands for it strongly.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, and people know exactly where she's coming from, so
29:25
Speaker 3: she's very authentic as well. The Australian Financial Review is
29:30
Speaker 3: now apologizing over that grotesque cartoon. We spoke about this
29:34
Speaker 3: a week ago in the show. This is condemned by
29:37
Speaker 3: Jewish leaders like Alex Ripchin and echoed classic anti Semitic tropes.
29:41
Speaker 3: I spoke about it on the show at length. Now,
29:43
Speaker 3: at the time I had phoned the Australian Financial Reviews
29:47
Speaker 3: editor in chief, James Chessel, and he told me, and
29:49
Speaker 3: I quote, I'm supportive of the cartoon. But now he's
29:54
Speaker 3: changed his tune, and a note from the editor published
29:57
Speaker 3: in the newspaper it says, we've listened to feedback from
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Speaker 3: our readers and accept that certain language and imagery used
30:04
Speaker 3: in the cartoon caused offense. The Financial Review apologizes for that.
30:10
Speaker 3: So look, he was very adamant in that first conversation,
30:13
Speaker 3: but a week later he's realized I thought I did
30:17
Speaker 3: a good job explaining why it was offensive, but obviously
30:20
Speaker 3: not good enough. Took many more days and obviously other
30:23
Speaker 3: complaints before they acknowledge that it is highly offensive. I mean,
30:29
Speaker 3: just to remind people, the words Tora Torah were coming
30:32
Speaker 3: out of Trump's mouth. It's the Jewish Holy Book and
30:37
Speaker 3: the word oivey as well was in there.
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Speaker 14: I'll look, Sharion, this is the horrible situation. I mean,
30:44
Speaker 14: you've done so much on any Semitism and so with
30:46
Speaker 14: others and other members of the Jewish community and beyond
30:48
Speaker 14: the Jewish community as well of any Semitism, but it
30:50
Speaker 14: says casual drive bys that you know that journos think
30:53
Speaker 14: are acceptable. It's not human, it's disgusting and ady Semitism
30:57
Speaker 14: has no place, no place in any public let alone
31:01
Speaker 14: the AFR. And for the editor to say, oh no,
31:04
Speaker 14: I'm defending it, Goodness knows he should have shredded at
31:06
Speaker 14: the moment he saw it. Shouldn't have been, not through
31:08
Speaker 14: the sub editorial committee. But no, it was published in
31:10
Speaker 14: his paper and he thought he should double down on it.
31:13
Speaker 14: That's the appalling casual eighty cemeteris and we see so
31:16
Speaker 14: often unfortunately in our media.
31:18
Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly, you're completely right, all right, camera, miha, thank
31:21
Speaker 3: you so much for your time. Now an update and
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Speaker 3: a story I brought you last Monday about attempts to
31:27
Speaker 3: arrange a meeting between President Donald Trump and One Nation
31:30
Speaker 3: leader Pauline Hanson. I reported that Pauline was unable to
31:34
Speaker 3: attend the meeting at Marilago as it clashed with the
31:37
Speaker 3: South Australian election. A meeting with Trump did take place.
31:41
Speaker 3: We're about to have Ray Hardley walk across the TV screens.
31:44
Speaker 3: I'm still on air. Rays desperate to come on the show.
31:47
Speaker 3: A meeting with Trump did take place. Over two consecutive
31:50
Speaker 3: weekends involving donors to one nation. This was arranged by
31:54
Speaker 3: Hancock Prospecting owner Gina Reinhardt, but as I reported, Pauline
31:58
Speaker 3: was not there. Ryan Hart has now given us a
32:01
Speaker 3: statement in which she says she did not attempt to
32:03
Speaker 3: get Pauline Hanson to Florida for a meeting with the
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Speaker 3: President in the run up too or on the weekend
32:09
Speaker 3: of the South Australia election.
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Speaker 2: She explains she.
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Speaker 3: Would not have wanted Pauline to be away from Australia
32:16
Speaker 3: at such an important time.
32:17
Speaker 2: Happy to make that clear.
32:19
Speaker 3: Now still to come the discovery of extraordinary missile megacities
32:23
Speaker 3: underground in Iran. The chair of Australia's Intelligence Committee would
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Speaker 3: join Me Live Plus Malcolm Turnbull praises Hasty and the
32:31
Speaker 3: eldest son of accused police killer Dessi Freeman speaks out.
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Speaker 2: Ray Hadley, He's already here. He'll be on the desk
32:36
Speaker 2: after the break. Welcome back and let's bring in now
32:43
Speaker 2: radio legend. Ray Hadley.
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Speaker 15: I was very, very keen to get here, and I
32:47
Speaker 15: burst through the doors like Superman, and all of a
32:50
Speaker 15: sudden I heard your beautiful voice and I thought she's
32:53
Speaker 15: still on air here.
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Speaker 13: I can't do this.
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Speaker 2: It stop there second before you went in front of
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Speaker 2: the camera.
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Speaker 15: Ah, now I pulled back. You see where you're on radio.
33:01
Speaker 15: Cameras aren't part of your life. Yeah, so anyway, I apologize.
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Speaker 2: No, no, no dramas at all.
33:06
Speaker 3: The federal government today unveiled this national fifture security plan
33:10
Speaker 3: that we've been speaking about.
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Speaker 2: But what two of the states are doing now.
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Speaker 3: This is interesting because last week in the show one
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Speaker 3: of Australia's most successful businessmen said they should make told
33:19
Speaker 3: me they should make public transport free.
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Speaker 2: Now Victoria is doing it, Tasmania is doing it, the
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Speaker 2: New South Wales.
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Speaker 13: Isn't, and they should.
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Speaker 15: I don't think that John Graham's a pretty good black
33:28
Speaker 15: he's a good operator.
33:29
Speaker 13: But I don't think it's the decision.
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Speaker 15: I think Daniel Murky and the premier are making this
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Speaker 15: decision on financial grounds. By the way, I traveled the
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Speaker 15: studio via the M two. Guess what happens in April one?
33:39
Speaker 15: The tolls go up, just what you need. So those
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Speaker 15: truckies who are coming down and paying three dollars fifty
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Speaker 15: for diesel and they are going to confront a massive
33:47
Speaker 15: toll like the rest of the people traveling on the
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Speaker 15: toll raids. That's not a government problem. Of course, that's
33:52
Speaker 15: a contractual matter. But I think, I think, yes, it
33:55
Speaker 15: will cost millions of dollars. But we're in a you know,
33:59
Speaker 15: we're in a christ to a certain extent. I know
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Speaker 15: that they're saying, we've got one hundred days a fuel left.
34:03
Speaker 13: We've got this left.
34:04
Speaker 15: You've only got to travel the raids as I've done
34:06
Speaker 15: from the Central Coaster Sydney today and then down into
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Speaker 15: the city to see how many service stations have got
34:11
Speaker 15: the no fuel sign up. So people will rely on
34:14
Speaker 15: public transport. And I mean, if you are a tradee
34:19
Speaker 15: in Western Sydney running a diesel ranger or a diesel ute,
34:24
Speaker 15: you know you were paying a dollar sixty to a
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Speaker 15: dollar ninety. You're now paying three dollars twenty three. I
34:31
Speaker 15: spoke to a blake on Saturday who runs a transport company.
34:34
Speaker 15: His bill a week has gone up by nine and
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Speaker 15: a half thousand dollars, which he's got to obviously pass
34:39
Speaker 15: on to his customers. He can't carry that nine and
34:41
Speaker 15: a half grand or thirty eight thousand dollars a month.
34:44
Speaker 15: So I think that in reality, i'd agree that I
34:47
Speaker 15: think that the and I'm not blaming the Transport Minister.
34:51
Speaker 15: I'm more blaming the treasure and the Premier. They should
34:53
Speaker 15: say bad decision. Yeah, he's just carrying the bad news.
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Speaker 3: But also it makes sense anyway because of people who
34:59
Speaker 3: might not ordinarily catch public transport, they catch it, they
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Speaker 3: see it's pretty good in New South Wales, they might
35:05
Speaker 3: get used to it. That means down the track or
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Speaker 3: revenue anyway, exactly.
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Speaker 15: And we've got a pretty good system in northwestern Sydney
35:11
Speaker 15: with the Metro all the way to the city in Sydnham.
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Speaker 2: Now all right, let's talk about Malcolm Turnbull and Andrew Hasty.
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Speaker 3: Now, Andrew Hasty, we know about the comments he made.
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Speaker 3: Now it turns out they've had this. I don't know
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Speaker 3: if to even call it a secret friendship. They've been
35:26
Speaker 3: friends for a while.
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Speaker 15: I had they're not besties, I don't know, because I
35:30
Speaker 15: thought he was a really smart young blake and if
35:32
Speaker 15: he's a bestie with the well, I used to think
35:35
Speaker 15: he was the worst Prime minister we've ever had, along
35:38
Speaker 15: with Kevin rud I think Anthony Alberanzi.
35:40
Speaker 13: He's relegated those.
35:40
Speaker 15: Two to second and third place or third and second place.
35:44
Speaker 15: But if he's taking advice from Malcolm Turnbull, I'll revert
35:47
Speaker 15: to my former life as a rugby league caller.
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Speaker 13: Jack Gibson said to me. Son never copp a tip
35:52
Speaker 13: from a mug.
35:53
Speaker 15: And if Andrew Hasty's listening to Malcolm Turnbull, he's listening
35:56
Speaker 15: to a mug. He is and was a labor light
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Speaker 15: prime minister. If Hasty wants to represent the right of
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Speaker 15: the Liberal Party, he should distance himself immediately from having
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Speaker 15: conversations with Malcolm Turnbull.
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Speaker 13: I mean, I can't believe it's true.
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Speaker 3: Got to be strong on national security, not weak as
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Speaker 3: he was in those triuments comments about Trump's miscalculation.
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Speaker 15: Yeah, well, I mean, he's not going to listen to
36:23
Speaker 15: what I say. But Andrew, I had high hopes for you.
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Speaker 15: I hope they haven't been dashed with your friendship or
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Speaker 15: bestI relationship with the former prime minister because he doesn't
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Speaker 15: represent conservative values like you should.
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Speaker 3: Well on national security and on being open to tax raisers,
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Speaker 3: both of those are not liberal positions.
36:44
Speaker 15: I heard John I try to dead bat your questions,
36:47
Speaker 15: but it was obvious that he was saying, well, he
36:49
Speaker 15: may have been talking about another type of change to
36:51
Speaker 15: make it better.
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Speaker 13: I don't think he was. I think he was agreeing
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Speaker 13: with the labor.
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Speaker 2: Policy exactly exactly. And it's all for his brand because
36:58
Speaker 2: he wants to be leader. But you go to be
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Speaker 2: a team player. You won't get the name.
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Speaker 13: I won't be a leader if he keeps talking about
37:03
Speaker 13: his friendship with Turnbull.
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Speaker 3: He just want to know what Turnbull White anted Tony
37:09
Speaker 3: Abbott the entire time Tony Abbot was PM, and then
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Speaker 3: Turnbull was surprised when he had the same treatment back
37:14
Speaker 3: at him from the right.
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Speaker 2: Well what did he expect?
37:16
Speaker 3: You know, Hasty needs to be loyal now to Angus
37:19
Speaker 3: Taylor or when Hasty becomes leader, there's not going to
37:22
Speaker 3: be that loyalty to him exactly.
37:23
Speaker 2: All right. Let's turn to Desi Freeman's son. So he
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Speaker 2: has spoken after his father was shot down by police.
37:30
Speaker 2: Today will bring up his comments.
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Speaker 3: So he's twenty one year old, and he said, just
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Speaker 3: bear in mind that to you, my father was a
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Speaker 3: cop killer, but to me he's still my father who
37:40
Speaker 3: raised me to.
37:41
Speaker 2: Be the man I am today.
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Speaker 15: He perceived that by saying I know what my father
37:45
Speaker 15: did was wrong. Well, he's twenty one, and judging by
37:51
Speaker 15: the grammatical errors in his post, I don't know that
37:54
Speaker 15: he his smartest twenty one year old I've ever encountered.
37:56
Speaker 15: But he's lost his father, who is a cop killer,
37:59
Speaker 15: and I'm quite happy that the police took him out
38:01
Speaker 15: as they did this morning. And what will be next
38:05
Speaker 15: will be who's been hiding him for seven months, because
38:08
Speaker 15: he hasn't been floating around in containers or caravans without
38:11
Speaker 15: the help of a number of people, and hopefully the
38:13
Speaker 15: police will take them metic.
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Speaker 13: Custody as well.
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Speaker 3: All Right, we're running out of time, but I've got
38:17
Speaker 3: to ask you about the latest on the Kyle and
38:20
Speaker 3: Jackie O show. So sources have told the Australians mediatary
38:23
Speaker 3: Steve Jackson that JACKIEO has provided a arn with a
38:26
Speaker 3: list of occasions when she was allegedly bullied by Kyle Well.
38:30
Speaker 15: Steve Jackson's obviously rather forensic I happened upon this on Friday.
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Speaker 13: Aar Reen is represented by one of the.
38:39
Speaker 15: Best senior councils in the country, Tom Blackburn. I should
38:43
Speaker 15: know because he opposed me in a matter relating to
38:46
Speaker 15: the thieving line Jean decif and we had to have
38:50
Speaker 15: mediation over that, and he was brilliant.
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Speaker 13: Unfortunately for me, he was brilliant. But then, unfortunately for him,
38:55
Speaker 13: he didn't get paid by his client. But he said
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Speaker 13: to the court on Friday, he told the Tom Blackburn claims.
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Speaker 15: Of unconscionable conduct towards Sandilans involved prior conduct towards Miss Henderson,
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Speaker 15: not just the twenty minute on air controversy. Now, Steve Jackson,
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Speaker 15: no one else picked this up. I read it on Friday,
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Speaker 15: and Steve Jackson obviously picked it up, and then through
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Speaker 15: his sources, which are I guess well placed, was able
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Speaker 15: to come to the conclusion that if this matter goes
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Speaker 15: to the federal court a full hearing, she is likely
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Speaker 15: to be called as a witness for arn in relation
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Speaker 15: to what happened prior to that twenty minute segment on air. Look,
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Speaker 15: I've always got on okay with Kyle. You know, we've
39:36
Speaker 15: been rivals, not in timeslots, but his network and our
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Speaker 15: network where I work.
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Speaker 13: We're rivals.
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Speaker 15: He's always treated me with respect, and obviously she feels
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Speaker 15: like she's been hard done by, and that's going to
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Speaker 15: be a crucial thing. And I mean, I was surprised
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Speaker 15: to read allso today he's got four mortgages. He's talking
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Speaker 15: about feeding his family and feeding You're getting seven and
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Speaker 15: a half million dollars a year over the last four
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Speaker 15: or five years.
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Speaker 13: You should have been squirreling a little bit away from it.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, not a good financial planet, clearly, Ray Hadley, love
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Speaker 3: having you here as always a pleasure.
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Speaker 2: See you next week, Thanks very much. Oh Wa'll see
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Speaker 2: you next week. Actually still to come.
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Speaker 3: How police finally caught Deisi Freeman and revelations about an
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Speaker 3: underground missile city in Iran. The chair of Australia's Intelligence
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Speaker 3: Committee will join me after the break.
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Speaker 13: Well.
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Speaker 3: Israel hit an underground military site in Iran last week
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Speaker 3: near the city of Yazidi, and it's reportedly revealed a
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Speaker 3: vast network of secret missile megacities spread across the country.
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Speaker 3: It's reportedly one of dozens of similar sites across Iran,
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Speaker 3: which indicate Iran has been preparing for war for decades.
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Speaker 2: We're joining me now is chair of.
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Speaker 3: The Parliamentary Joint Committee on Intelligence and Security, raf At Chikoni. Raf,
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Speaker 3: thank you very much for your time. Look, we're learning
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Speaker 3: more and more about Iran's weapons capabilities. Yet we hear
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Speaker 3: from the likes of Andrew Hasty today that the Iran
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Speaker 3: war was a huge miscalculation.
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Speaker 2: What's your view on whether this war was necessary necessary?
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Speaker 16: Thanks Shari, thanks for having me on tonight. I think
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Speaker 16: the comments by Andrew, who I must say, someone who
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Speaker 16: I respect and acknowledge his service to his country on
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Speaker 16: this occasion are of miscalculated. I think the efforts by
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Speaker 16: the United States and the State of Israel are important
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Speaker 16: in efforts to make sure that we do have peace
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Speaker 16: and stability in not just the Middle East and the
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Speaker 16: broader region, but around the world. As you know, the
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Speaker 16: Islamic Iranian regime has been exporting hatred and violence right
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Speaker 16: across the world, and it's important that the US and
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Speaker 16: Israel are able to in some ways finish the job
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Speaker 16: and actually target the regime and make sure that it
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Speaker 16: has an inability to continue to export that hatred, as
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Speaker 16: well as protecting its citizens who they have massacred tens
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Speaker 16: and tens of thousands of people in their own country.
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Speaker 16: I mean, I think the Israelis are fairly fed up
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Speaker 16: with how Iran has been sponsoring these proxies and particularly
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Speaker 16: attacking its own citizens its own territory for a very
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Speaker 16: long time, in the last forty seven years since the
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Speaker 16: Islamic regime has been in control. And I'm disappointed by
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Speaker 16: the comments by Andrew because I think it's important that
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Speaker 16: the US and Israel are able to continue in their
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Speaker 16: operation and see the course of it ending. And I think,
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Speaker 16: as you know, the government today has also come out
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Speaker 16: rightly asking for some clarity around the objectives and some
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Speaker 16: certainty around the objectives of the operation.
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Speaker 2: So you just said a.
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Speaker 3: Couple of times there that Israel and America should be
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Speaker 3: given the opportunity to finish the job, while knowledging of
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Speaker 3: course that there's clarity being sought around the objectives.
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Speaker 2: But it's your view that the world still.
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Speaker 3: Needs to continue for a little while longer for the
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Speaker 3: military capabilities to be destroyed.
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Speaker 16: Well, the advice from the US and Israel is like
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Speaker 16: be some weeks before we see an into this conflict.
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Speaker 16: I mean, we acknowledge that the conflict's obviously having some pain,
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Speaker 16: particularly with people on the petrol bowls at the moment,
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Speaker 16: and I get that, but I think it's important that
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Speaker 16: we can't now leave an operation and allow Iran and
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Speaker 16: its proxies to then be emboldened and then to attack US.
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Speaker 16: I mean, as you know, we've had at least two
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Speaker 16: terrorist attacks here on Australian soil targeted primarily towards the
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Speaker 16: Jewish community, one in Sydney, one in Melbourne. Could you
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Speaker 16: imagine if we allow the regime to continue and actually
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Speaker 16: not target those people and hold them to account for
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Speaker 16: these atrocities.
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Speaker 3: This is stunning moral clarity, more than I've heard from
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Speaker 3: the Coalition, I have to say, Ralph. I've been reporting
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Speaker 3: on the threat of Iranian sleeper sales being activated for
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Speaker 3: the past few weeks now. This is of serious concern
44:10
Speaker 3: to Western intelligence agencies. There is some information in the
44:14
Speaker 3: public domain about how this works through payments made via
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Speaker 3: encrypted apps or cryptocurrencies. At the same time, we also
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Speaker 3: saw a protest on the weekend of people supporting the IRGC.
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Speaker 16: Is this all a worry to you, Well, we have
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Speaker 16: been seeing those weekend, weekly weekend protests.
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Speaker 1: Thankfully they're starting.
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Speaker 16: To reduce in numbers. But it's fair to say that
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Speaker 16: there are probably people who authorities are no doubt looking
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Speaker 16: at law enforcement our security agencies who do an excellent
44:50
Speaker 16: job at making sure that they protect Australia's national interests.
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Speaker 16: The government has also recently referred our Anti Money Laundering
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Speaker 16: and Counter Terrorism Financing Act to my committee the pjcis
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Speaker 16: full review, and we've also have the new listing of
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Speaker 16: the Hissbitteria Prohibited Group also passed on to the Committee
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Speaker 16: full review, which follows on from another extensive framework that
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Speaker 16: the Committee looked at with respect to the IIGC. So
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Speaker 16: we've had a very busy start to the year, sadly
45:30
Speaker 16: having to look at these groups, whether they're terrorist organizations
45:34
Speaker 16: or groups that promote and sponsor hate and violence, targeting minorities,
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Speaker 16: targeting certain communities like the Jewish community in Australia, and
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Speaker 16: the government has zero tolerance. We have to stamp out
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Speaker 16: this behavior. It is really discussing behavior that we have
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Speaker 16: seen from many of our own fellow citizens who quite frankly,
45:56
Speaker 16: probably don't actually understand the history of the Middle East.
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Speaker 16: And for somehow I caught up in these protests on
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Speaker 16: weekends and distressing to many people, including many of our
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Speaker 16: friends in the Jewish community. Charie, and I think you know,
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Speaker 16: I know a lot of my mates are just pleased
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Speaker 16: to see the government take in some action.
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Speaker 3: Ralph, it's been so great to have you on the
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Speaker 3: show for the first time as chair of the Intelligence Committee.
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Speaker 3: Really appreciate your insights to that. I hope you'll come
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Speaker 3: on again sometime soon.
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Speaker 2: Thank you. Refreshing, isn't it all right?
46:29
Speaker 3: Up next, how police track down Deaisi Freeman and a
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Speaker 3: warning for Australians. A former Australian Federal Police detective superintendent
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Speaker 3: would join me after the break.
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Speaker 2: And for more detail on the.
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Speaker 3: Traumatic shooting of Desi Friedman today. Joining me now is
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Speaker 3: former Australian Federal Police Detective Superintendent David Craig.
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Speaker 2: David, thanks so much for your time.
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Speaker 3: So what do we know about how police tracked Deaisi
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Speaker 3: Freeman down and what they found him doing?
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Speaker 9: Well, Charry, it seems clear to me that they knew
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Speaker 9: he was in the area, so they either had a
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Speaker 9: broad tip off, because it wouldn't have been an electronic
47:11
Speaker 9: lock on, if you know what I mean. They would
47:13
Speaker 9: have been very specific if they had that. So it
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Speaker 9: seems to me that they had a tip off originally
47:19
Speaker 9: which put them in the area, and then clearly they
47:23
Speaker 9: were trying to draw him out from that area and
47:27
Speaker 9: that didn't work, and eventually whoever it was, has given
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Speaker 9: them more specific information and then they've really been able
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Speaker 9: to focus in and zoning on exactly where he was
47:39
Speaker 9: the fact that they took three hours to negotiate with
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Speaker 9: him shows a good calibrated response from law enforcement. From
47:48
Speaker 9: everything I've seen, Chari, I think that they've done a
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Speaker 9: particularly proportionate job. I do sympathize for the son. I
47:55
Speaker 9: think it's awful to have a father like that, But
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Speaker 9: the law enforcement and have acted as I've seen. Everything
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Speaker 9: I've read about this is proportionate, graduated, and professional Deisi Freeman.
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Speaker 9: For those that are online thinking he's some sort of
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Speaker 9: ned Kelly, remember we have to remember that the first
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Speaker 9: reason that the police went there with a search warrant
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Speaker 9: was a search warrant in relation to sexual offenses and
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Speaker 9: child abuse material. So let's not forget that this is
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Speaker 9: no bush Ranger hero here.
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Speaker 3: So he was found hiding in a shipping container. It
48:32
Speaker 3: was a property around two hours from where the initial
48:35
Speaker 3: shooting occurred.
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Speaker 2: So it's been.
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Speaker 3: Reported that he emerged from the container and he was
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Speaker 3: firing a handgun which he'd stolen after the shooting, after
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Speaker 3: shooting the two officers last year, so it was a
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Speaker 3: police handgun. I mean, it's incredible that he would have
48:50
Speaker 3: still had bullets though.
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Speaker 2: Isn't it.
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Speaker 9: Well, it depends what it was, a Block seventeen or
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Speaker 9: glock nineteen, but they do carry around about twenty one
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Speaker 9: rounds of him and up to twenty one rounds of
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Speaker 9: ammunition that a nine millimeter semi automatic. The way it
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Speaker 9: says he came out in a blanket, I'm somewhat confused
49:10
Speaker 9: by that. I know that they used a bear cat
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Speaker 9: to ram the container to shake things up. Obviously they
49:16
Speaker 9: needed to bring this to a resolution. It had been
49:19
Speaker 9: long enough. This person had been on the run for
49:22
Speaker 9: a very long time, and clearly it's evident to me
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Speaker 9: that he's been assisted by other people, and those people
49:30
Speaker 9: need to be tracked down through electronic devices, any notes,
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Speaker 9: things found at the site of the shooting, because if
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Speaker 9: you're an accessory after a murder of two cops, then
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Speaker 9: you need to be locked up.
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Speaker 3: I mean, how vast is the network of people who
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Speaker 3: could have been helping him, who are part of this
49:50
Speaker 3: sort of sovereign citizen movement.
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Speaker 9: Yeah, the sovereign citizens. They are a very tight group.
49:58
Speaker 9: I believe that they're not that expansive, but they are
50:03
Speaker 9: very tight knit, and they are very very committed to
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Speaker 9: their cause, so you know, to them he may be
50:08
Speaker 9: some hero for you know, freedom fighter. But realistically, I
50:13
Speaker 9: mean the laws applied to everyone, and these people are
50:16
Speaker 9: simply remnants of the COVID lockdown and the five G network.
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Speaker 3: I mean, it's incredible it took so long to track
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Speaker 3: one individual down two hundred and sixteen days, that someone
50:27
Speaker 3: could go off the grid for such a long period
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Speaker 3: of time. I mean, it's almost seems as hard as
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Speaker 3: tracking down a well known terrorist. You know, does it
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Speaker 3: surprise you that it took that long to find him?
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Speaker 9: It would surprise me, Scharry if he didn't have assistance.
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Speaker 9: Obviously he did. I was hedging my bets a couple
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Speaker 9: of weeks ago when I was reading some material about
50:51
Speaker 9: it that he'd actually passed away because without assistance there
50:55
Speaker 9: is no way that he could exist without detection or
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Speaker 9: of course.
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Speaker 3: Exactly all right, David Craig, thank you very much for
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Speaker 3: joining us as always, and thanks everyone for your company.
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Speaker 2: I'll see you tomorrow at eight pm. And here's Paul
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Speaker 2: Murray