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#110: Fernando Contreras / Commercial Pilot and Health Advocate · Come Together with Ephraim Herschmann

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  Welcome to another episode of Come Together
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  and we're live bro Welcome. Thank you so much for coming.
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  I really appreciate this. Thanks so much for taking the
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  time. Yeah, of course.
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  Thanks for having me man. Dude, so I so our Buddy Guy
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  Levy, I saw you on his Instagram story, you know that he was,
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  that he had just either trained with you or adjusted you.
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  And I went to your Instagram page and I was like, this guy
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  looks so fucking cool. I got, I want to do a podcast
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  with him. So I hit up, so I hit up guy and
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  I'm like, yo, who's who's that dude?
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  You know? And then he was like, yeah, he's
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  he's awesome. You'd love him.
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  Let me set, let me set up the introduction.
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  And you just you, dude, you your, your, your life seems
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  awesome, man. It seems like it seems like
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  you're pursuing all your passions and you're kind of
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  making them happen. You want to tell us a little bit
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  about who you are? Yeah, man.
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  Well, thank you for that. It it's truly a blessing to be
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  able to, you know, accomplish and fulfill my dreams and live,
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  you know, the the life that I've been dreaming as a child.
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  But yeah, no, I'm everybody. My family are aviators, so it
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  was kind of my blood to be a pilot.
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  It was just second nature to me to do everything that has to do
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  with flying and you know, going through flight school and
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  everything, it was just so like, you know, when you have a smart
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  person in class and you're like, how do you understand everything
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  so easily? That's kind of like how I felt
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  in flight school. Of course I had my challenges
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  and everything, but it was just that one natural thing that I'm
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  like, wow, this is like so cool to be experiencing.
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  And, you know, I never really thought a bit about it in terms
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  of, you know, like this is the best job in the world.
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  It was just something I was so passionate about until I finally
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  got in the airplane and, and like I at this stage in my
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  career now, I'm like, damn, this is the best job in the world.
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  Like for me at least, you know, and you know, that's, that's
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  basically how, why I can say like at least career wise, you
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  know, I'm, I'm, I'm living my dream on that.
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  So, but it, you know, I started off when I was very little and
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  just seeing my dad leave like for flights and things like
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  that. He back in the day in the early
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  90s, he was able to take me in the flight, take in an
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  international airline that he flew for.
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  So that's when the real passion like sunk in.
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  I was like, what all these, what all these buttons do?
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  Like why is there so many lights?
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  And just like, you know, aviation back then was just way
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  different, way, way different than what it is now.
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  And yeah, how's that kind of like, well, in terms of like
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  technology, like my dad was flying an airplane at the time
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  where you needed 3 pilots in in the in the cockpit.
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  So you needed a captain and a first officer and a flight
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  engineer. Nowadays, there's no more flight
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  engineer. So a lot of that stuff on that
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  panel that the flight engineer used to do, like switch
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  electrical components to pneumatic air and where is it
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  going? Where's it coming from?
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  All that stuff now can be handled with two pilots based on
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  the design of the flight deck. So it's, it's a little bit
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  different nowadays and the technology is just absolutely
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  insane with how airplanes operate now and the redundant
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  systems that they have. It's it's really fascinating.
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  I'm excited to hear all about this stuff.
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  When did so your SO your dad? Your dad is a commercial pilot
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  international. Yeah, he's Yep, Yep.
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  He's still airline pilot. Nice.
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  OK, gotcha. And what what did he say when
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  you decided to go into it? Well, my dad first originally
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  was like, hey, Are you sure you want to do this?
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  Because this job you're a way a lot from your family.
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  You're going to miss birthdays, you're going to miss
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  Christmases, you're going to miss a lot of these important
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  things. And you, I just want you to have
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  all the details before you make this decision.
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  He was like, Are you sure you don't want to be like an
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  engineer or something? And I did, I tried, I tried to
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  do engineering, but I always wanted to be a pilot.
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  I tried engineering as a backup just in case.
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  I didn't really like the lifestyle of being a pilot,
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  which I, yeah, there was no way I was going to be like, it's
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  very interesting, but being a pilot I think is way better.
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  Totally, totally, totally. What's the, what's the, what's
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  the schooling like? I have a friend of mine that got
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  AI, have a couple of friends actually that got their pilot's
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  license, but I know there's different degrees of licenses
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  and I know it's a fortune, right?
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  Like, I mean, it's like, at least it was my friend after
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  Kyle, after undergrad and his master's, then he went back to
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  Chicago. He's from Skokie and it took him
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  like 2 1/2, three years because you know, he's paying out of
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  pocket and, and paying pay and getting those flight hours
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  apparently like to rent those little planes.
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  It was very expensive. And he said he loves him more
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  than anything in the world. But he was like, it's like, you
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  have to be committed to wanting to do that because it takes time
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  and it takes a lot of money. Yeah, yeah, you're 100% correct.
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  There's a couple ways you can go about flight school.
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  You can go to a mom in pop school.
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  You can go through a university. In reality, the licenses don't
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  take you that long. If you go through a university,
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  you're going to, you're going to do your full four years and come
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  out with the bachelor's of like aviation science.
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  But it takes no, no, no, I went to a mom and pop school at I did
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  it in about like 10-10 months. To your point where you're
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  saying is like you have to go consistently because if you
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  don't then you start losing like what you learned.
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  So if you only go once a week, you can have to repeat that over
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  and over and over again. What might have taken you a week
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  to learn, now it's going to take you two months to learn because
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  you're not going so frequently. And you know back then there
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  weren't as many aids financially for flight school as there is
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  now. And that is due to a lot of like
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  the demand, especially you that, you know, the industry needs
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  right now of pilots. So certain airlines have created
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  like their own flight school path program to their airline.
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  So they offer the financial loan in the aspect of it out of, at
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  a, at a lower interest rate than would be a, a regular personal
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  loan. And that's made it a little bit
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  easier for people to be able to start fly school.
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  But you know, before, like before that, that started maybe
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  like 5-6 years ago. Before that when I went to fly
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  school, there wasn't any of that.
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  So your loan was at a personal loan rate in that super high.
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  But but yeah, you know, like I had a when I was growing up, I
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  did a lot of savings and, and I was, you know, working since I
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  was like 1415 and I saved a lot of money because I knew that
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  that's something that I wanted to do.
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  My 2 main goals with saving money was to go to fly school
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  and buy a house. So every time I would save, I
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  dump it all in flight school and continue.
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  And I was still working part time.
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  I went to FIU for business administration and I was doing
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  my flight school at the same time and I was working valet
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  parking. So I was trying to pay
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  everything as I go. All my savings went into flight
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  school. I went from zero, started into
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  an airline, started saving again, and then was finally able
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  to buy a house. So I I was able to fulfill those
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  two objectives of of of my savings so.
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  Yeah, it's amazing. Where'd you buy your house?
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  Where do you live? Where's your house?
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  It's how it's here in South Florida.
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  South Florida Cool. Man, and I love it down here.
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  I grew up here and I just love it.
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  It's all my friends, family primarily.
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  Everybody's here. Yeah, yeah, definitely.
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  I've been, I've been in South Florida for about 3 years now.
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  I've always wanted growing up. I, I, my, my, my dad is
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  originally from Miami Beach and I always wanted, I always said
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  going and we used to visit a bunch.
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  My grandparents still live there.
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  And I used to always say I got to try it out and my wife and I
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  got married. I was working remote and she
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  wasn't, she wasn't sure what she's going to do with herself
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  yet. She's a ultrasound tech now.
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  But we're like, you know, we can go anywhere in the world.
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  And we're both from New York and we're like, let's just, let's
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  head to Florida. You know, you just, you know,
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  like right after a week after a wedding, we just loaded up our
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  car with whatever clothes we had and we just drove down and I
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  figured it out. Damn spontaneous, I love that.
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  Nice. Yeah.
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  You know, it's not it's, I mean, you know, I, we, it was, it was,
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  it was cool. And I've already moved, you
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  know, so like probably 5 or 6 different times in my life to
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  completely unknown places that, you know, I knew that South
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  Florida was something that, you know, is pretty, pretty
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  manageable as far as as far as lifestyle, you know, it's I love
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  being down here. So, so you were working that you
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  were working in school and what you're saving is saving the
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  money that you were making at this point.
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  And you started working at 14, you said?
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  Yeah. That's crazy.
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  That's crazy. Did your did your, did your
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  family encourage it? Do you think you you said, you
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  know, you just knew that you had to and like how are you so
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  driven at that age? Man, that's a really good
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  question. I, it was all like initiated by
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  me. I was telling my parents like,
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  Hey, I want to work. I want to make my own.
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  Like, I wanted to be as independent as I could from as
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  young as I could. And nothing that, you know, that
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  doesn't influence the, the, the relationship with my parents or
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  anything. They're always very supportive
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  of, of what I would, you know, try to do.
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  But I always wanted to be like, Hey, I don't really want to be
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  using your money. I want to make my own money, you
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  know, and, and then my first job was working at the YMCA taking
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  care of like kids, other parents want to go work out.
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  And you know, I made some really good friendships there.
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  I actually met one of the first initial personal trainers or the
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  person who helped me train introduce me to fitness through
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  that and it and it all just like went from there.
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  I went to work at a different gym after that and then it all
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  and I ended up working for who is now Tony Robbins personal
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  trainer. Like things like that.
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  It's, it's just, you know, that whole wanting to work, I've
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  always had to like really great work ethic.
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  My parents were always like, no, you need to focus on school And
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  and I of course I definitely needed to, but I just always
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  thought I can handle both and you know, I did.
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  But yeah, a lot of that, a lot of that self was self driven.
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  To. That's awesome.
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  Start making money, yeah. That's awesome.
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  Can I ask how many siblings you have?
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  1. Younger one sibling, younger
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  sister. Gotcha, gotcha, gotcha.
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  Did you? So you, you feel like you're
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  like the protective one or like, you know, like you kind of had
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  to like be your own man and make your own way?
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  Because that's how I kind of like I'm the oldest too.
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  I mean, I'm the oldest at like 6, but I've always felt like as
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  an older, as an older sibling also, I kind of felt that
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  similar guilt, although I probably started feeling it a
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  little like probably closer to 17 or 18, you know, like, hey,
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  like maybe everything I do shouldn't be in my parents time,
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  you know, And you know, maybe I maybe it's time to start kind of
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  building my own skill set and kind of doing my own thing and
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  like, you know, really making my own way.
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  But but I always felt that kind of, you know, leadership or, you
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  know, sense of responsibility just from being an older
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  sibling, you know? Yeah, no, that's a, that's a
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  really great observation. I never really felt it from a
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  siblings perspective, just because I knew that like, you
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  know, my, my parents would be able to support my sister and I
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  in whatever education we wanted to pursue or, or something like
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  that. And, you know, having the
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  possibilities to live in the United States and the amount of
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  possibilities that there is here is, is something that I wasn't
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  really too much, I guess felt pressured by to initiate my own
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  building of skill sets. But yeah, you know, my sister,
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  my sister was the same. She was like, hey, I I want to
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  start building my own skill set, But she focused a lot more on
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  the education part. She's in the in, in the health
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  industry. So she she spent a lot of her
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  time studying and studying real hard.
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  You know how that industry is everybody that's just studying
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  night and day. So, so yeah, man, I think, I
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  think it's a really good observation, but it maybe I got
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  to give it some more thought and see if that influenced.
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  The yeah, maybe, yeah, yeah, yeah.
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  You never know what you discover, you know, so you got
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  so you're super so so you're into you're into flying, you're
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  into fitness. You started working out, you
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  know, you started, you started, you know, I guess getting
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  introduced this at 1415, which is probably one of the best
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  things you could do at that point in your life.
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  I see that you fight. I saw, I saw that you're when
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  when you're away from your black belt.
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  Yes. In which martial art?
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  It's actually in Krav Maga. Nice.
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  The school is a mixed martial arts school, but the main
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  self-defense that we learn is Krav Maga.
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  Gotcha. Yeah, I just started rolling
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  jujitsu a couple months ago. Guy also, I did a podcast.
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  I did my podcast with Guy. I told him that I wanted to
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  start because I heard that he did MMA and he's like, dude, you
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  got to come to where I work. They have an awesome gym and the
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  coaches there are awesome. And I was, you know, I mean,
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  I'm, I'm almost 30, you know, to start, to start this for the
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  first time and you're almost 30 was, was, was pretty terrifying,
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  but it was the best thing in the entire world, man.
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  Like just just getting that adrenaline and kind of like
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  facing that, you know, a, that fear of confrontation, but also
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  kind of learning in real time how to slow everything down and
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  to just, you know, think about your individual body parts and
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  components and, and let's, and after doing that, I've kind of
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  felt that I've had a much easier time in the last couple of
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  months, even with sales and work and business and even my own
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  personal life, like my relationship with my wife and
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  like my kids. You kind of look for your own
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  ways to solve issues because you're spending so much time
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  with no one there to help you except for yourself, you know,
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  and, and, and this person that's sitting on top of you that knows
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  way more than you do about anything.
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  And you know, and it encourage you, encourages you to, you
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  know, figure out how to, how to ask questions and how to learn
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  and how to figure out, you know, when you're in a tough spot,
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  tough spot and you're thinking of quitting, you know, what else
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  can you do? And it's kind of a mindset.
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  I feel like it translates over to everything that you do, you
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  know? I agree.
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  That was beautifully said man. And it's just like you can
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  transition what you learn from martial arts into real life.
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  Just like how you said, it improves a lot of your ability
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  to think of being resourceful, right?
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  Just like how you said, if you're in a situation where
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  you're stuck, like I started jiu jitsu as well and in, in, in a
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  separate gym. And there's times where I'm
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  like, man, I don't know how to get out of this.
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  If I just give up, what what's going to come out of that?
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  But if you start thinking, you slow down your breathing, you
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  slow down everything and you're like, OK, I have a little bit of
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  time even though I'm super tired, I'm exhausted.
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  Do I have about a second or two to think, how can I get out of
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  this? Even if it's just not probably
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  not the right way to do it, you still do it.
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  And that is teaching you, hey, still try attempt to do
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  something because you never know what else it can lead you to.
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  Maybe you, maybe that movement gets that person out of the
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  perfect situation to get you in some sort of choke or
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  everything. Now you have space, right?
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  And that little amount of space is enough for you to throw the
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  other person off or get out. And, and, and it's just like
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  that, like mentally every day we go through things that we're
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  constantly thinking about. We're overloaded with
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  information daily. And then we just get to a point
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  where we're like, oh shit, I can't even think straight right
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  now for something that it really matters.
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  And that's when you really have to focus and be like, right,
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  this does matter. And that's the same situation
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  when you're like pinned down, how do I get out mentally?
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  It's the same thing, you know what I'm saying?
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  So it teaches you that. And I think it's, I think it's
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  fantastic. That's what I love about martial
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  arts. Yeah, yeah.
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  And I think that, I think that one of the points you just said,
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  I think that is really, really valuable is when you're stuck to
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  give yourself a second to breathe and to not like like
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  that second of like, that's like one thing that someone was
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  teaching me the other day. I went back, I went back and I,
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  I, I had like you were talking even about like the flight
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  school have muscle memory. And the more time you spend
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  practicing, the more that you know it, it really becomes
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  ingrained in you. I've done this, I've done
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  jujitsu for like a month and change.
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  And I went on a two week break, which is the worst thing to do.
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  I come back and I just felt like my entire body was just out of
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  sorts, right? And I was totally disconnected.
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  And I'm talking, you know, I'm asking a guy that's obviously,
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  you know, phenomenal, you know, way better than I am.
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  And, you know, we're rolling and he goes, So what are you going
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  to, you know, what can I do? He's like, dude, you're rushing
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  everything. He's like one step at a time.
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  There's no rush if you're in a fight, like think just like, you
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  know, like be aware, like, you know, like I your instinct is
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  like to like flood your brain, you know, just to like rush at
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  something or to like, you know, move as fast as you can.
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  And I've actually noticed that that's with a lot of things I
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  noticed also, I'm a huge music fan, right?
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  And some of the best singers and some of the best covers, some of
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  the best songs that I've heard performed are just done slowly.
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  And then, and then when someone's nervous, I don't know
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  if you're, you know, when someone's nervous, they speed up
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  what they're saying, they talk faster, They, they, they, they
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  sing faster, they play faster. There's something to be said
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  about the art of just slowing everything down.
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  And that's a breathing helps, I guess.
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  But you know, but I, but if you can, you know, when you start
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  implementing that into one part of your life, like with training
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  or rolling, and then you and you know, and then you move on and
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  you go back to, you know, your house and you got to, again,
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  this happened to me all the time.
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  I got work calls from upset customers.
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  I sell medical equipment, right? And if they're upset, you know,
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  my initial reaction is to panic like, and I like, dude, what are
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  you panicking for? They're probably just as nervous
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  to be confronting you as you are, as you are dealing with
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  them. Just take a breath, have a
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  conversation with them, show them you understand what they're
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  thinking, show them understand where they're coming from and
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  see how you go work it out. And like, and, and every single
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  time I've done that since then, and this is, you know, just
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  something that I've learned from rolling, you know, every single
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  time I've done that since then, it's really, really changed the
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  dynamic of my, you know, you know, in terms of my ability to
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  be a salesman and like, you know, a businessman.
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  Yeah. And don't, don't, don't you find
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  that in that moment where you are in that situation, it
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  actually instead of becoming more stressful, it becomes more
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  enjoyable because you have a different outlook on it, right?
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  I think, I think if you can enjoy those certain times in
• 18:29
  your job, it makes the quality of time in your job a whole lot
• 18:34
  better. Would you, would you agree with
• 18:35
  that or? Yeah, for sure, man.
• 18:37
  I mean, imagine, I mean, if your entire job is, you know, afraid
• 18:42
  to answer the phone because you don't want that, you don't know
• 18:44
  the other person on the other end of the phone is going to be
• 18:46
  saying to you, you know, that's a pretty miserable way to live.
• 18:48
  If you take, if you answer that, if you answer the phone like
• 18:51
  you're collaborating with someone, it's a totally
• 18:54
  different experience, you know, and, and as I go with everything
• 18:57
  in life, you know, like even most conflicts I've realized are
• 19:00
  just an exam are just people trying to emphasize their points
• 19:03
  and feel like they're not heard. Like that's like 95% of the
• 19:07
  conflicts that out that out, you know, personal business,
• 19:09
  whatever. It's like if you, I've noticed
• 19:12
  that if I just tell people like, if I'm able to repeat to them
• 19:15
  what their concern is and say, I totally understand where you're
• 19:18
  coming from. And I'm, you know, and, and
• 19:19
  this, this and this, and here's where I'm coming from.
• 19:22
  That's why, that's why, you know, that's why I said what I
• 19:24
  said or I did what I did. And I'm sorry about the
• 19:26
  miscommunication. There's something there.
• 19:28
  There's nothing there to argue with, you know, like, and then
• 19:30
  it just turns into, and then it just turns into collaboration.
• 19:32
  I think it's awesome. So tell me dude, a little bit
• 19:34
  about so so you so you finished flight school and you've been
• 19:37
  flying for how how long you been flying for now?
• 19:42
  Let's see, eight years now, 2014.
• 19:47
  And do you and do you have a commercial license?
• 19:49
  Do you have a what kind of? What kind of planes do you fly?
• 19:54
  Yeah. So I have what's called an
• 19:56
  airline transport pilot license, and that's basically after your
• 19:59
  commercial and you have built enough hours to qualify for this
• 20:03
  license, you can fly for airlines pretty much.
• 20:08
  So I fly, yeah, I fly for American Airlines and I am on
• 20:13
  the Boeing 737. No way, really.
• 20:17
  Yeah, 737 is international. That's the one that they take
• 20:20
  internationally. We so we do some international.
• 20:24
  So our route, my routes primarily are Caribbean, South
• 20:29
  America and Central America. South America we don't go so
• 20:32
  deep. The lowest or the most S that we
• 20:35
  go is probably like Keto or Guayaquil in Ecuador, but we do
• 20:39
  a lot of Colombia, we do a lot of Central America like
• 20:42
  Guatemala, Costa Rica, Panama, Honduras, El Salvador.
• 20:46
  On the Caribbean side, we go to almost every island that there
• 20:50
  is in the Caribbean. And then we do a lot of domestic
• 20:53
  stuff. That plane carries about 172
• 20:56
  passengers depending on the configuration that we have.
• 20:59
  We have the Ng and also the Max, the 737 Max, so either 1, the
• 21:05
  Max has a little bit more range and it's also a lot more fuel
• 21:08
  efficient. So most of the time that we go
• 21:11
  South towards Ecuador, we normally take the Max and the
• 21:17
  next step up after that, the one that goes like really Far East
• 21:21
  or West is you're looking at the Boeing 777 or the 787 that's on
• 21:25
  the Boeing side. We, our airline only has those
• 21:29
  in terms of like what we call wide body aircraft, but Airbus
• 21:33
  also has what's called wide body aircraft and you'll see a lot of
• 21:36
  them being used by like Delta and United as well and they're
• 21:40
  the Airbus A-350, the Airbus A330.
• 21:43
  Those are wide body aircraft too that you know do that long range
• 21:46
  kind of flying as well. Right, right, right.
• 21:49
  But so what's the, what's the new Dreamliner like?
• 21:53
  I just flew to Israel and to Amsterdam and, and I mean
• 22:01
  obvious, listen, I, I, I, I get a little nervous flying.
• 22:06
  I've obviously noticed that the bigger plane you fly, the less,
• 22:08
  the, the, the less turbulence that you experience.
• 22:12
  But I've also heard the turbulence is, is not
• 22:14
  necessarily a bad thing. I, I, my friend that was the
• 22:16
  pilot was telling me that a lot of times pilots fly into
• 22:19
  turbulence, into turbulence on purpose.
• 22:21
  Is that true? I don't know if that's true that
• 22:26
  we fly to turbulence and purpose.
• 22:28
  I mean, honestly, I'd rather I'd rather not.
• 22:31
  I'm trying, I'm trying to have smooth air for the comfort of
• 22:34
  everyone, right. But there are times where it's
• 22:37
  pretty much like you are unable because the air is so disrupted
• 22:42
  that we're we're flying in. You got to remember like up at
• 22:45
  altitude, there are there's a lot of things that affect air in
• 22:49
  the transition of a flight. So when you take off, you're
• 22:52
  going. Through what does?
• 22:53
  What effects? It a lot of things, so wind
• 22:56
  effects it pressure effects it fronts, you know, we see there a
• 23:00
  low pressure area or high pressure area, cold fronts, warm
• 23:04
  fronts. Then you have winds where the
• 23:06
  winds coming from, if they're in the winter, you have jet streams
• 23:09
  like all of these things that push air in different directions
• 23:13
  as you're moving cause turbulence.
• 23:15
  So turbulence is literally just the like, not smooth air flow
• 23:21
  over the wings. The air becomes turbulent, it
• 23:24
  breaks up, it's in different directions.
• 23:27
  So what happens is over the wings, the air is not smooth, it
• 23:30
  just starts to kind of break apart a little bit earlier than
• 23:34
  than expected on, on a certain part of the wing.
• 23:37
  And what happens with that? That's where you start feeling
• 23:39
  like a little bit of like shaking.
• 23:41
  And you know, some sometimes you'll feel like a like a kind
• 23:44
  of like a big drop. Those are like pockets of
• 23:46
  turbulence that you might get. But in reality, turbulence is
• 23:50
  not, there's different categories of turbulence.
• 23:53
  You have light, moderate, severe, severe and you know, you
• 23:56
  obviously don't want to go through severe, but if you're
• 23:58
  going through a light turbulence, that's not, you
• 24:01
  know, that's nothing that bad. Airplanes are designed to
• 24:04
  sustain loads of extreme turbulence and some, you know,
• 24:11
  So what the scary feeling is the acceleration your body's going
• 24:16
  through from being in one certain area, moving through
• 24:22
  space to changing the direction to dropping lower drop or, or
• 24:26
  raising up or moving left to right.
• 24:28
  That doesn't feel good in the body for some people.
• 24:31
  And that's what's kind of scary, right?
• 24:32
  That sends a message to your brain saying like, oh, shoot,
• 24:35
  what's going on? Like that's not what we were
• 24:37
  feeling right now. It's the same thing.
• 24:40
  Like, I don't know if you've ever gotten in like go karting
• 24:43
  or you gonna like in a really fast car around a track, the
• 24:46
  acceleration and the braking doesn't, I mean, it doesn't make
• 24:49
  you feel good initially. There's so much difference of
• 24:53
  acceleration. It's almost kind of like the
• 24:56
  same thing. But my question to you is, why
• 25:01
  do you think that it's better to fly in bigger planes than in
• 25:04
  smaller planes? Is I've because to me that's
• 25:07
  just a mental thing that people create in their head, that the
• 25:10
  bigger that the airplane is, that the less turbulence they're
• 25:12
  going to feel. Is that?
• 25:14
  Is that what you think? Well, yeah, the so I I'm kind of
• 25:18
  basing that on it. So I have yeah, based on that
• 25:22
  experience that. So it's actually funny.
• 25:23
  So there's there's two, I guess there's a couple of things that
• 25:27
  I'm immediately thinking of, right.
• 25:29
  Number one is I've flown on a private plane once before from
• 25:34
  New York to Vegas and the, and I've and we had a lot more
• 25:41
  turbulence on that little plane than, you know, than I've had,
• 25:46
  for example, again, taking that Dreamliner to, you know, across
• 25:48
  the country, across, across the ocean to Israel or whatever,
• 25:51
  right. On the other hand, I also know I
• 25:56
  also have, I didn't know this for a fact, but I kind of just
• 26:00
  kind of put it together. That temperature had a big has a
• 26:04
  big impact because I know that every time I fly back and forth
• 26:07
  from South Florida, especially in the summertime, the 10, you
• 26:11
  know, as I guess the humidity and the heat.
• 26:15
  And also I feel like because the heat in Florida is always almost
• 26:19
  feels like it's always about to like break.
• 26:21
  It's always like building and building and building.
• 26:23
  And it doesn't completely break until like winter again, I
• 26:26
  guess, you know, until like October, November.
• 26:29
  But like when you're every single day, the heat, the
• 26:32
  humidity and the heat kind of build up and build up and build
• 26:34
  up. And I think, and I guess that
• 26:36
  causes an impact in the environment, right?
• 26:40
  Like or I guess in the air, but I just assumed that the bigger
• 26:45
  the plane, the more sturdy and that even, you know, even though
• 26:48
  the and I and I guess the more weight there is, the less thrown
• 26:52
  around it's going to get. That's kind of what I figured.
• 26:55
  Does the First of all, you're 100% correct about the
• 26:58
  temperature it does affect. So whenever you're getting into
• 27:03
  warmer temperatures and there's lower pressures, there is
• 27:06
  instability of air, right? Instability of air, meaning like
• 27:09
  the air is just not staying, the air starting to move up in
• 27:14
  altitude. Why?
• 27:15
  Because there's less pressure. And whenever there's less
• 27:18
  pressure, particles start to move up.
• 27:20
  And then when particles move up, they start to lose the
• 27:24
  temperature, The temperature starts to drop.
• 27:26
  And what happens is those particles become a little bit
• 27:28
  more dense again. And then they go through the
• 27:30
  cycle that they're going, moving up and down in between
• 27:33
  altitudes. And that's how you start getting
• 27:36
  like unstable air and the build up of storms.
• 27:39
  So imagine if you're if this you're flying straight
• 27:42
  horizontally, right? You're flying straight and
• 27:44
  you're about to pass this area where there's low pressure and
• 27:47
  this air is moving up and down and you're moving horizontally.
• 27:51
  So that air that you're moving horizontally with is now
• 27:56
  disrupted because you're now, because you're now going through
• 27:59
  an area of air moving up and down.
• 28:01
  It's unstable. So that's one, that's just one
• 28:04
  of the many reasons there could be turbulence.
• 28:06
  Let's say you're flying and that flight that you were going from,
• 28:10
  I don't know if it was New York or Miami to Vegas.
• 28:13
  As you're getting closer to those mountains, air is
• 28:15
  disrupted by those mountains, right?
• 28:17
  There's a lot of air flow that comes from the northwest and
• 28:22
  comes down and drops towards the southeast.
• 28:25
  If you have opposing winds for that day for some reason that
• 28:30
  are going against it, let's say like a low, low, sorry, a warm
• 28:34
  front is coming up and it's hitting that high, high pressure
• 28:38
  cold front that's coming in. You have two pieces of massive
• 28:43
  air colliding against each other.
• 28:45
  That air is not going to be smooth.
• 28:47
  It's just like opposing each other.
• 28:48
  It's just hitting each other like that.
• 28:50
  So now you're here coming along, it's nice and smooth and then
• 28:53
  bam, you get this like huge shake on the airplane.
• 28:56
  It's because the airflow was disrupted.
• 28:58
  So if you take it, you can't really compare size of an
• 29:03
  airplane in terms of like, I took an airplane once through
• 29:07
  this route and it was small and I got a lot of turbulence.
• 29:09
  And then I went the other route and it was big.
• 29:12
  I got no turbulence because there's so many outside factors
• 29:15
  that affect what makes an airplane go through turbulence.
• 29:18
  Because if you took that same Dreamliner that you took to
• 29:21
  Israel and you go to Vegas on that same day, that's exact same
• 29:26
  flight, you're going to feel the same exact turbulence.
• 29:29
  Maybe, maybe it'll be the different.
• 29:31
  The feeling might be different. Because yes, size and stability
• 29:34
  does affect how much is felt by the airplane.
• 29:39
  But every airplane is built on three different types of
• 29:42
  stability. You have longitudinal stability,
• 29:44
  lateral stability, and vertical stability.
• 29:46
  That means that if the airplane is flying along nice and smooth
• 29:49
  and it gets disrupted, its ability to return back to that
• 29:54
  neutral position, that's what airplanes are built on.
• 29:57
  There has to be a certain degree for airplanes to come back to
• 30:00
  neutral. Without touching it.
• 30:02
  It'll take some time, but without touching, it'll come
• 30:05
  back. Obviously if you do manipulate
• 30:07
  the controls and bring it back to neutral earlier, it's
• 30:11
  obviously better, but the autopilot does that as well.
• 30:15
  I never thought of air as like a thing, you know, like, as like
• 30:19
  an object, you know, and it's, it's so cool to think about, you
• 30:22
  know, because, because it's true.
• 30:24
  And, you know, and I, I mean, and even just the difference, by
• 30:27
  the way, and I'm sure you, I'm sure you've experienced this as
• 30:30
  you, as you travel, the difference between the air in
• 30:32
  different locations is just, yeah, out of this world, dude.
• 30:35
  I mean, I, I'm in my parents' house right now in, you know,
• 30:38
  about an hour north of Manhattan and you know, and even though
• 30:42
  it's hot, you know, like the air in the mountains is just
• 30:44
  completely, excuse me, different air than, than in South Florida,
• 30:49
  you know, and it's just a different world.
• 30:50
  And, you know, and I guess I never really thought of it, but
• 30:52
  it's a legitimate like medium. Like it's a real, it's a real,
• 30:56
  it's really, really cool. Are you, are you nervous about
• 31:01
  AI taking over all pilot jobs? Because I feel like I I keep
• 31:06
  you're not nervous. No, I don't think so.
• 31:09
  They actually just came out. They were trying to do this
• 31:11
  whole thing in Europe where they're trying to size it down
• 31:13
  to 1 pilot. And to me, I think that's
• 31:16
  completely stupid because there's still a lot of things
• 31:19
  that with AI and with technology right now, you still cannot, you
• 31:25
  still cannot do what 2 pilots can do in the airplane.
• 31:29
  Did you? Break that down.
• 31:31
  Well, it kind of really depends. I'm not quite sure exactly.
• 31:35
  Well, first, in terms of you got to think about this like you got
• 31:40
  to think about the human aspect and the instinct and perspective
• 31:44
  on a situation versus a robot just doing things based on what
• 31:48
  it's programmed to do, right? The robot, if something wrong
• 31:52
  happens, the AI will, you know, go through like, OK, if this is
• 31:56
  wrong, then that's going to happen if this is going to
• 31:58
  happen, right? But there's the element of human
• 32:02
  interaction and perspective, right?
• 32:06
  An airplane can be like, oh, I lost both engines, right?
• 32:10
  The AI, the AI computer will be like, OK, we need to shut down.
• 32:13
  We need to do a complete shutdown and we're going to
• 32:16
  glide it and land into the ocean.
• 32:18
  OK. If you have the, there was an
• 32:20
  air can or I think it was Transat, it was a Canadian
• 32:23
  airline that went from Canada all the way to I believe it was
• 32:28
  going to Portugal and it made a landing and the Azores.
• 32:31
  Why? Because let me see if I can
• 32:34
  remember this correctly. They started having fuel issues
• 32:36
  in one engine in the checklist. They didn't do something
• 32:40
  according exactly to the checklist.
• 32:43
  The way that the outcome came came down to intuition of the
• 32:49
  pilots and just flying experience that they were able
• 32:54
  to land an airplane without engines safely in an island on
• 32:58
  the runway. OK, like it's a miracle, but
• 33:03
  artificial intelligence could have been different and it could
• 33:05
  have been like, hey, we need to shut down both engines because
• 33:09
  this is what your checklist does.
• 33:10
  And we're going to have to ditch in the middle of the ocean.
• 33:12
  And you know who who knows how long it's going to take for
• 33:15
  rescue to get there Could have been there could have been
• 33:17
  casualties, right? That element.
• 33:20
  I you AI could not, at least to this day, cannot do that.
• 33:26
  There's no right. Right, right, right.
• 33:29
  I guess So you're saying that you, but I mean, but you could
• 33:32
  really wind down a lot of the repetitive stuff, right?
• 33:35
  Like like what you said, like you know, flying has changed a
• 33:37
  lot, especially since your dad has been flying, you know, and
• 33:39
  I'm sure there's a lot less that pilots need to do nowadays than
• 33:42
  they needed to do 20 years ago or 30 years ago.
• 33:45
  And I'm sure in five 1015 years it's going to be different too,
• 33:47
  no? For sure.
• 33:49
  I I completely agree the the technology is to help the pilots
• 33:54
  stay focused on not dealing with tasks that take you away from
• 33:57
  flying the airplane because unfortunately that's how a lot
• 34:01
  of aerial accidents have happened in the past.
• 34:05
  Pilots got distracted on things that had not that they didn't
• 34:08
  have anything to do with flying, but they were aside from being
• 34:11
  focused on flying. Right.
• 34:13
  So what, what, what is there to focus on if you're a pilot,
• 34:16
  right? And you're and you're and you're
• 34:18
  and you're there. What are your like?
• 34:23
  What's the order of priorities in terms of your
• 34:25
  responsibilities as a pilot, you know, in terms of net, in terms
• 34:27
  of flying, navigating, engineering, whatever it is
• 34:29
  like, what are you expected to do?
• 34:31
  What's computerized what's Not sure how does?
• 34:35
  That work the, the, the primary is the saying that goes aviate,
• 34:40
  navigate, communicate. So you fly the airplane first.
• 34:43
  Something goes wrong, right? Let's say you're like a cruise
• 34:45
  or something like that. You guys are chilling.
• 34:47
  You and the other pilot are talking, something goes wrong.
• 34:50
  The first thing that you have to do is fly the airplane, because
• 34:52
  if you don't fly the airplane, well, we don't want to know what
• 34:55
  happens after that. Then you communicate so you can
• 34:58
  communicate. Can it be anything in between,
• 35:00
  like checklist usage, communication between the two
• 35:02
  pilots, communication with air traffic control, and then
• 35:05
  navigate? Finally, after that, you want to
• 35:07
  be able to navigate and OK, what is the course of action that
• 35:11
  we're going to do now? Are we going to divert?
• 35:13
  Are we going to go to this or are we going to go to that, that
• 35:16
  level? So it sounds very easy when I
• 35:18
  talk about it because we're just that cruise at 37,000 feet.
• 35:22
  But let's say something happens when you're lower and you're
• 35:25
  flying. Like for example, for us when we
• 35:26
  go to keto, those mountaintops are about 14 to 15,000 feet.
• 35:31
  Now you're in a situation, now you're in a situation where
• 35:34
  aviate, navigate and communicate have to happen like this, right?
• 35:37
  Has to happen quick because if you take a long time to
• 35:40
  navigate, to get to the navigation part, you might go
• 35:44
  into a mountain, right? But it's not that.
• 35:48
  It's like, oh, we're just getting, we're just flying blind
• 35:51
  and we're just like, something happens and we're just flying
• 35:53
  and we're going towards the mountain peak.
• 35:54
  No, like there are routes that are predetermined already in our
• 35:58
  flight plan, which we will already be on.
• 36:00
  It just there's so many different scenarios.
• 36:03
  But what I'm trying to get at is that the pilot training is,
• 36:07
  let's say something happens when you're around 13,014 thousand
• 36:11
  feet around mountainous terrain and then all of a sudden you
• 36:15
  have to aviate, navigate, communicate.
• 36:16
  That technology has helped us to focus on aviate, navigate and
• 36:24
  then just being able to, OK, we assess the situation we're going
• 36:28
  to where we need to go. Now let's talk to everyone.
• 36:30
  I think I said it wrong, man. I think I said aviate,
• 36:32
  communicate and navigate. It's the other way.
• 36:34
  It's aviate, navigate, communicate.
• 36:35
  So you want to make sure you're flying the airplane, knowing
• 36:38
  where you're going and then talk about it.
• 36:40
  So pilot training, especially in the airlines is all about that.
• 36:46
  They put us in scenarios in an in a simulator where it's
• 36:50
  constantly like this happens, how are you going to handle it?
• 36:53
  What are you going to do? And there's every airline has
• 36:55
  standard operating procedures. That is what helps both pilots
• 37:00
  stay exactly in line to complete that mission when something goes
• 37:04
  wrong, so that there's no miscommunication between the
• 37:08
  pilots that there's no like, we both know exactly what to do.
• 37:13
  And if technology didn't exist to help us with that, then one
• 37:19
  pilot will be busy trying to flip a bunch of switches while
• 37:22
  the other one's trying to fly the airplane.
• 37:24
  It gets overwhelming. But pilots used to do it like
• 37:29
  that, and I think that's totally fucking badass.
• 37:31
  You know, the fact that you can divert your attention to so many
• 37:35
  things and do it, but unfortunately there have been a
• 37:39
  lot of accidents because of that.
• 37:41
  So that technology, that stuff has helped.
• 37:44
  I even think with like what you mentioned, 10 to 15 years from
• 37:48
  now. Yeah, I think AI and I think
• 37:50
  technology is going to be even even better.
• 37:53
  But I just don't think we will lose 2 pilots in the flight
• 37:58
  deck. I just think that we will be, we
• 38:01
  will be doing, for example, a flight that would take from New
• 38:06
  York to London. Six hours might take you now
• 38:09
  like four or three. That's why I.
• 38:12
  Think right How does? How does that work?
• 38:15
  I mean, it's just acknowledging. The speed of the plane, that's
• 38:17
  just how big the plane is. And no, in terms of like fuel
• 38:21
  efficiency for an, for, for like engines of an airplane, how, how
• 38:25
  much powerful they can get, you know, what can engines do at
• 38:29
  higher altitudes to be able to, you know, produce more thrust or
• 38:33
  get us going to, to, to this stuff a lot faster?
• 38:37
  There's a trade off, right? There's a trade off because as
• 38:40
  you go up in altitude, you lose density of air.
• 38:42
  So it's, it's a lot harder for jets or turbine engines to
• 38:49
  produce thrust with thinner air, right?
• 38:51
  You really have to compress that air to get thrust out of it.
• 38:55
  So yeah, technology has helped a lot with that and the fuel
• 38:58
  efficiency of it. But when you're up in the air
• 39:00
  and the air is less dense, you're actually moving through
• 39:02
  the air a lot faster. You have less drag, you have
• 39:04
  less particles of air that are slowing you down up at higher
• 39:09
  altitudes, right? So that's a great trade off.
• 39:12
  But the other thing is too is now there's something called
• 39:17
  cosmic radiation and it's when you're flying at higher
• 39:21
  latitudes, I think, I believe it might be like 60 N or something
• 39:27
  like that. So basically a beam like, oh, I
• 39:31
  don't know, somewhere in North Canada, little bit right around
• 39:34
  there. If you're flying closer to the
• 39:36
  North Pole than that, you're exposed to radiation.
• 39:39
  That's cosmic radiation. It's not like the same as UV
• 39:42
  radiation, but it's just radiation that's there because
• 39:46
  you're not being protected so much by the the atmosphere of
• 39:51
  the Earth. You have less protection at
• 39:53
  those altitudes, right? So that's another like one of
• 39:56
  the reasons why, I mean, they could possibly create an
• 39:59
  airplane that can go so much higher and so much faster so we
• 40:03
  can get to a destination a lot quicker.
• 40:05
  But now everybody's exposed to a lot of radiation and to the
• 40:08
  pressure. You got to think about like
• 40:10
  whenever the higher we go, the airplane has to maintain a
• 40:14
  pressure like if we were lower. Right.
• 40:17
  So typically you're flying up 30 something 1000 feet 40,000 and
• 40:23
  your cabin inside the airplane feels at Max 8000 feet in the
• 40:28
  air. Right.
• 40:30
  There's a big pressure difference.
• 40:32
  I mean, that's like a lot of thousands of feet pressure
• 40:35
  difference. You have to build an airplane
• 40:37
  strong enough that it won't collapse because of the pressure
• 40:41
  difference, you see what I'm saying?
• 40:42
  Or explode either 1. So material of an airplane
• 40:46
  technology wise is one thing, engines of an airplane and how
• 40:50
  it performs is another thing that with technology and AII
• 40:53
  think could get better so that we could start doing longer
• 40:57
  flights faster. But we have to be careful about
• 41:00
  the radiation. Correct.
• 41:02
  You have to be careful about the radiation, but that's that's why
• 41:05
  like we won't like the, the, the airplanes don't have to go so
• 41:09
  high in altitude to an in order to achieve faster speeds, you
• 41:12
  know what I'm saying? So, so I think, you know,
• 41:16
  there's, there's a difference, there's regulations based on how
• 41:18
  much radiation can you fly through in a given amount of
• 41:23
  time. And then if the airline could
• 41:27
  not program you to fly in those altitudes and those latitudes
• 41:33
  for more than XYZ numbers because it'll violate the the
• 41:37
  totally, yeah. Totally, by the way, what do you
• 41:40
  think? I mean my understanding is also
• 41:43
  that or my understanding is that underwater has experiences or
• 41:47
  you know, in the ocean experiences similar levels of
• 41:49
  pressure in that kind of way. Do like submarines are like, you
• 41:53
  know, I guess a marine type of technology is that is do they
• 41:57
  collaborate with, with, with aviation at all?
• 42:00
  Because they face similar challenges in terms of, you
• 42:04
  know, having to design, you know, a, a thing, you know, a
• 42:07
  boat or a plane that can withstand all this pressure and
• 42:09
  create an environment of a different pressure within it.
• 42:13
  Is there collaboration between the two or are they 2 totally
• 42:15
  different sciences? That's a great question.
• 42:18
  There might be to a certain extent, but it's the complete
• 42:22
  opposite because every time whenever you start going below
• 42:25
  water, the pressure is actually increasing, increasing,
• 42:27
  increasing so that submarines go down the water pressure and the
• 42:32
  pressure outside the submarine is so much greater.
• 42:35
  Like the submarine itself inside has to be able to not collapse
• 42:40
  like a like a coke can, right? But the people inside need to
• 42:45
  feel like if they were higher, like.
• 42:47
  If they were. Almost at the surface, right?
• 42:49
  So it's inverted. It's just inverted.
• 42:51
  Exactly. So that's why I think there's
• 42:53
  not much of A collaboration, but, but there could be.
• 42:55
  I've never really even thought about that nor investigated it.
• 43:00
  But I'm sure there's talks. I'm sure there's talks and and
• 43:02
  you know, just because they're completely inverted doesn't mean
• 43:05
  that there's some overlapping information that each one can
• 43:07
  use. That submarine that that that
• 43:11
  went down a couple years ago. I remember that story.
• 43:13
  They're like trying to you know, go down to a Titanic or whatever
• 43:16
  and like those guys must have died immediately, right?
• 43:19
  Because I the anything that goes wrong, the pressure, just like
• 43:23
  you said, you know, crack, you know, cracks it or cocaine.
• 43:26
  Yeah, there's actually, I was just looking at through Netflix
• 43:29
  yesterday and I added that documentary to the past.
• 43:31
  Yeah, yeah. So I'm gonna see.
• 43:34
  I remember reading an article that it like fucking
• 43:37
  disintegrated or some shit. I can't remember exactly the
• 43:40
  words when it was but but people.
• 43:43
  Are looking for them, right? What's the point of looking for
• 43:44
  them? Right.
• 43:45
  It's it's so much pressure, man, like deep that deep inside.
• 43:50
  Like just think about this when you go scuba diving and I think
• 43:53
  it's like you do a a depth of more than like 20 to 30 feet or
• 44:00
  something like that. Yeah.
• 44:02
  And obviously you have to go up controlled.
• 44:04
  Whatever you cannot, you should not fly 24 to 48 hours after you
• 44:10
  go scuba diving after reaching a certain depth.
• 44:12
  Really. Yes, because what that does to
• 44:14
  you in terms of like your body still acclimating to pressure
• 44:18
  and you think about it like biologically to the smallest
• 44:21
  extent, there's still pieces and parts of your body that have not
• 44:25
  acclimated to the new pressure that it starts to build up like
• 44:29
  bubbles in your bloodstream, bubbles in your, in your like
• 44:32
  areas where you're going to get a lot of pain in your joints.
• 44:36
  Call them the bends, right. So if you change that, if you
• 44:41
  change that pressure drastically in less than like 24 to 48
• 44:44
  hours, you're going to start feeling a lot of pain.
• 44:48
  That's why they always tell us, they always tell us if you're
• 44:51
  going to go scuba diving, don't like on overnights.
• 44:54
  We don't, we don't do any of that.
• 44:56
  We don't do any of because it's, it's, it's dangerous.
• 44:58
  And when we're flying, actually when I was going through my
• 45:01
  private pilot and commercial license, you know, you're,
• 45:05
  you're flying in airplanes that are unpressurized.
• 45:07
  So you're really feeling like whatever altitude that it is
• 45:11
  that it is outside. And part of like, you know, the,
• 45:16
  the passenger checklist was to, you know, ask them if anybody
• 45:19
  has been scuba diving or anything in the past, because
• 45:23
  now you can cause now you, you know, they're not going to go
• 45:25
  and tell you the passenger's not going to be like, hey man, yeah,
• 45:28
  I went scuba diving. It was awesome.
• 45:30
  Cool. Like maybe they'll say it, but
• 45:32
  there's no way you're going to know unless they tell you.
• 45:34
  So now you're flying in the air and these people start feeling
• 45:36
  super uncomfortable because they didn't know about that.
• 45:41
  And yeah, it was, it was, it was something that we have to ask
• 45:43
  the passengers. But I'm assuming I've never done
• 45:47
  any scuba diving lessons or anything like that before.
• 45:49
  In the course that they take, they probably tell them don't go
• 45:53
  flying for 24 to 48 hours, you know, I mean, but I mean, you
• 45:57
  just never know. It's always, it's always better
• 45:59
  to ask and be safe than somebody start feeling bad and now you
• 46:02
  have to go somewhere else because something somebody's
• 46:04
  having a bad time. Yeah, definitely.
• 46:07
  What's the is it is the is the party culture of airline like of
• 46:13
  the airline industry overrated, overdramaticized or is it
• 46:19
  accurate or like what you what? You see from shows and movies
• 46:23
  and stuff. Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's right.
• 46:26
  Is. It is it over because I feel
• 46:28
  like listen, at the end of the day, especially if you're like
• 46:30
  just if you are, if you're a single person, you know, and
• 46:33
  you're and you're spending all this time travelling different
• 46:36
  places. I mean, I would probably be
• 46:37
  partying all the time. Sure, yeah, I mean and look
• 46:40
  there's, there's there's nothing wrong with doing what you want
• 46:44
  to do as long as you are responsible and you're within
• 46:48
  the limits of the regulations, right.
• 46:52
  Nowadays the airline scheduling is so much tighter.
• 46:59
  And what I mean by that is before back in the day, you used
• 47:01
  to be able to do 1 flight, go somewhere, be there for like, I
• 47:05
  don't know, 244836 hours and then come back.
• 47:09
  That was plenty of time for, you know, to go and explore, do all
• 47:13
  the partying and everything that you wanted to do.
• 47:15
  I mean, it's, it's part of the lifestyle, man.
• 47:17
  You go somewhere new to experience another state,
• 47:21
  another city, another country. It's something nowadays they,
• 47:25
  the technology for, you know, optimizing pilot schedules is
• 47:32
  well if there's these regulations of pilot rest, I
• 47:36
  want to be able to use maximize the, the time that this pilot
• 47:40
  can fly per day before we hit any sort of like fatigue risk.
• 47:47
  OK, So what happens is now you have long days of flying where
• 47:51
  you're flying maybe two to three flights a day.
• 47:53
  You get to an overnight and it's only anywhere between 12:16 or
• 47:59
  24 hours. That's it man, after after
• 48:01
  flying all day. Right, you don't want to you're.
• 48:04
  Kind of you're a little bit wiped out.
• 48:06
  You get, by the time you get to your hotel, by the time everyone
• 48:10
  meets up, you're only, you're only looking at a couple hours
• 48:13
  to do something. You know, the next day you, you
• 48:17
  may have an early show or the next day, you know, you, you got
• 48:21
  in super late. So now you're going to bed at
• 48:23
  like 2-3 in the morning. You're not going to wake up at
• 48:26
  7:00 or something to go and go to the beach and things like
• 48:29
  that. You're going to try to get rest
• 48:30
  because you fly again the next day.
• 48:32
  Two to three flights they're trying to get.
• 48:35
  That sucks man. It does, it does.
• 48:40
  But to me it's still the best job in the world.
• 48:42
  And you know, it's a job. We're getting paid, we're
• 48:45
  getting paid well. And while our overnights, not
• 48:49
  all of them are 24 hours, you still have enough to be able to,
• 48:54
  I don't know, maybe get dinner with the crew somewhere, or
• 48:57
  maybe you'd do a breakfast with the crew before you go.
• 48:59
  It just really all depends. The funnest layover for me, at
• 49:03
  least I've been in the Caribbean where there is a lot of like,
• 49:06
  you know, it's, you're all on the beach, you're all doing
• 49:08
  like, it's all this Beachy vibes and things.
• 49:10
  And, and, and I love that because you go out with the
• 49:12
  crew, get breakfast in the morning, some of us will go get
• 49:16
  a workout in before we go fly and boom, there goes our morning
• 49:20
  and afternoon, You know, so it, it is different.
• 49:25
  Don't get me wrong, people still do party, but you know, it's
• 49:28
  also there's also a lot. Of sounds like it's hard to
• 49:30
  sounds like you have to put like a lot of work into it.
• 49:32
  You have to like, put work into finding time to party.
• 49:35
  I mean for real yeah, you, you, you do and but everybody like
• 49:41
  knows hey, this is the regulation.
• 49:44
  This is where you have to be back by.
• 49:48
  This is, you know, if you kind of cross that line, you're not
• 49:53
  only are you putting your your job at risk, but you're putting
• 49:56
  people at risk. And everyone knows, everyone
• 50:00
  knows that if you even come close to that, it's not worth
• 50:08
  any of the repercussions that have to come with that.
• 50:11
  So, you know, that being said, there's a good balance between
• 50:15
  how much you want to go explore and party and everything versus,
• 50:19
  hey, the professional professionalism of your job in
• 50:22
  what you do. And it's definitely changed a
• 50:25
  lot throughout the years. I bet, I bet.
• 50:29
  But I mean, I can't imagine that everyone looks at it as
• 50:32
  professionally as you do. You know what I mean?
• 50:35
  It sounds, I think you sound like you're thoughtful about it
• 50:39
  and you're, you know, mature about it, you know, but I'm sure
• 50:43
  that listen, there are plenty, there are plenty of adults that
• 50:45
  are adult children, you know that.
• 50:47
  And I guess, I guess obviously, you know, I guess the crew would
• 50:49
  be different than a pilot in terms of responsibilities, you
• 50:53
  know, But how strictly enforced are are all the regulations,
• 50:57
  especially when it comes to like, you know, travelling or
• 50:59
  getting somewhere in time or, you know, drinking or not or,
• 51:03
  you know, whatever it are there random tests are yes.
• 51:07
  Well, what's? Yeah, there are.
• 51:09
  Yep, Yep. There's random tests, you know,
• 51:13
  at random people or pilots and flight attendants can be tested
• 51:18
  for alcohol or drugs at any point, anytime, anywhere.
• 51:24
  There's also like everything. Do they do it often?
• 51:28
  Yeah, yeah, it. But I mean, there's so many
• 51:31
  people in the airline, though, that it's often without how many
• 51:35
  people there are. But each individual person, you
• 51:38
  just never know when you're going to get it.
• 51:39
  There could be a time where you get it like, oh, wow, I only got
• 51:42
  it like a couple months ago. And sometimes it could be a year
• 51:45
  or two before you get one again. It's so random.
• 51:48
  It's so random. I honestly don't know how the
• 51:51
  algorithm works for that. If it's a computer, if it's like
• 51:53
  chosen by certain people, But it's, you know, the, the, the,
• 51:59
  the policy and the regulation is a little bit different.
• 52:03
  The regulation is one thing. The policy that we do can amend
• 52:09
  that regulation. So for us, it's actually a
• 52:12
  little bit more restrictive. It's 12 hours before you can
• 52:16
  have any alcohol and you touch an airplane or I think it's like
• 52:20
  .004 or something like that. It's something that like if if
• 52:25
  you have one beer within 12 hours it'll show up.
• 52:28
  Really. Yeah, so, wow, So something like
• 52:32
  that it, I mean, I don't even do that because I don't even come
• 52:36
  close to that limit. Why why would I want to come
• 52:38
  close to that 12 hour limit? You know, if if the if the
• 52:41
  layover is long enough, 36 hours, cool, that gives me
• 52:45
  plenty of time to not have any of that, right.
• 52:50
  But yeah, there are random, there are random tests.
• 52:52
  There are regulations in terms of alcohol percentage in your
• 52:55
  blood. There's in terms of time and
• 52:58
  also when it comes to an investigation or something like
• 53:03
  that, there is cameras everywhere, man.
• 53:05
  And airlines have access to cameras in hotels and
• 53:09
  everything. So you you're kind of almost
• 53:12
  like being watched. Oh yeah, Big Brother.
• 53:15
  Yeah, exactly so. Big brother's there.
• 53:18
  Yeah, yeah. But to some extent, I mean, it
• 53:20
  doesn't mean you can't have fun. There's plenty of ways to be
• 53:22
  able to have fun and and if the layover like again, if the
• 53:25
  layover's long enough, more than happy to to enjoy a few drinks
• 53:28
  here and there. How do you, I had, I have this,
• 53:33
  I mean, I'm sure, I'm sure a ton of people have this.
• 53:35
  I guess you get used to it, but how do you maintain your health
• 53:40
  regimen, workout regimen, productivity when you're
• 53:43
  constantly in new places? Because one thing that I
• 53:46
  struggle with for sure is that when I, I kind of have to be in
• 53:50
  like my space, that I, that I associate like psychologically
• 53:55
  and mentally with productivity. And like when I travel to a
• 53:59
  hotel, even like again, like here at my parents house, you
• 54:01
  know, like my associations, being at my parents house is not
• 54:04
  the same association as being at my house.
• 54:06
  You know, I feel like I'm a kid here as opposed to a dad and,
• 54:10
  and, and you know, and a homeowner, you know, I feel
• 54:13
  like, as opposed to being the man of the house.
• 54:16
  How do you, how do you, how do you maintain that?
• 54:18
  Or do you, you know or do you just like listen, if you're
• 54:20
  flying 3 or 4 times a week and it's just you know it's off then
• 54:24
  or what do you do? It's a very good question.
• 54:27
  I since I was a little kid, I've always been very curious and
• 54:30
  very like resourceful for getting something done that I
• 54:37
  want to do. The first thing that I do is I
• 54:40
  how I value my health and fitness is very high.
• 54:43
  Then from there, I work down on how am I going to obtain for me
• 54:48
  to fulfill that value, right? That means if I'm in a hotel
• 54:52
  room and there's no gym at that hotel, can I move some furniture
• 54:56
  around? Can I do some plyometric work in
• 54:59
  that hotel room? Can I do something that's going
• 55:01
  to get me to that value of me fulfilling that?
• 55:05
  So I've always had that since I was a little kid.
• 55:07
  I'm guessing the way I built discipline to that is by holding
• 55:11
  that so highly to me. It's very, very important to me.
• 55:16
  But you know, the way that I do it is it?
• 55:19
  I used to work out so hard almost every day, even when I
• 55:23
  was flying, even when I was at home.
• 55:25
  And that kind of caught up to me.
• 55:28
  And I can't be doing so much hard, heavy training when I'm
• 55:32
  also operating an airplane, right?
• 55:34
  You get tired. There's nights where maybe you
• 55:37
  don't get good enough sleep because you have kids running
• 55:41
  around the hotel hallway just waking you up every couple
• 55:44
  minutes. Certain things are outside of
• 55:47
  your control. So you know as you go and and
• 55:50
  you learn that from experience as you go.
• 55:52
  As I went through my airline career, I started amending and
• 55:56
  adjusting what I do on my layovers and what I do at home.
• 56:00
  So everything that is progressive overload, heavier
• 56:03
  lifting, or more like strenuous hard work is done at home.
• 56:09
  Because. Here I have more equipment and
• 56:11
  here I have more control of what my rest looks like.
• 56:16
  How, how, how? How many days a week are you
• 56:18
  home as opposed to traveling? It depends.
• 56:20
  Sometimes you can be gone four nights, or sorry, three nights,
• 56:24
  four days. Sometimes you can be gone two
• 56:27
  nights, three days. Sometimes you're back the same
• 56:30
  day. It just, it's, it changes, man.
• 56:32
  It changes so much that you have to have a plan.
• 56:38
  Ready. So you have to take a look like
• 56:41
  how you look at your week Sunday through Sunday and you're like,
• 56:45
  OK, this week I'm going to fly this, this, this.
• 56:46
  So I'm going to work out these body parts on these off days and
• 56:51
  I'm going to do mobility and flexibility on these days
• 56:53
  because I'm flying 8 hours this day.
• 56:56
  You can't just be like, oh, I'm flying 8 hours this day and I'm
• 56:58
  going to go lift like a ton of weight.
• 57:00
  There's no way, man. First of all, mentally you won't
• 57:03
  get there. You will be discouraged because
• 57:05
  of dude, sitting in an airplane or just sitting in general all
• 57:09
  day is just only contributing to you continuing to sit and being
• 57:15
  lazy. Not in terms of like that you're
• 57:19
  lazy, you don't want to do anything.
• 57:20
  But the act of not moving doesn't make you productive.
• 57:25
  The act of sitting makes you want to stay sitting.
• 57:27
  The act of lounging makes you only want to lounge.
• 57:31
  So now you go from 8 hours in a day sitting in an airplane and
• 57:35
  between two to three different flights.
• 57:36
  You get to your hotel room and you're like oh fuck man.
• 57:39
  My hips are tight, my lower back is tight.
• 57:42
  Now I got to go lift. Your mind is like, no, no, no,
• 57:45
  no, no, we're not doing that. Like, and then sometimes you end
• 57:48
  up not doing anything at all. But if you take that.
• 57:52
  So that's a very big gap to jump.
• 57:55
  And this is how I like to always do a metaphor.
• 57:57
  If instead of trying to jump that gap to get from like being
• 58:01
  really tired to doing a really hard workout, build the bridge
• 58:07
  that you can easily walk. Across so smart, dude.
• 58:10
  So smart. And that bridge is let's focus
• 58:13
  on undoing the sitting that we did today.
• 58:16
  Let's do hit mobility. Let's do something and do it
• 58:19
  before you know it. Like I start off with hit
• 58:21
  mobility and then all of a sudden I run like a 5K like.
• 58:23
  What? Yeah.
• 58:24
  Where did that go from? You know, things like that,
• 58:28
  you're just, you're building that bridge.
• 58:30
  Do you have to get to the other side and do an intense workout?
• 58:32
  No. But at least you're walking the
• 58:34
  bridge. You're getting there.
• 58:36
  Because if that intense workout is not today, it could be
• 58:38
  tomorrow. Yeah.
• 58:40
  You know what I'm saying? You don't.
• 58:42
  Do you have an opportunity to get up and move around while
• 58:44
  you're flying or almost never? Yeah, yeah, we have.
• 58:46
  We could do like breaks where we use the bathroom and things like
• 58:50
  that, but it's not that much. You're supposed to go into the
• 58:53
  bathroom, come back and go right back into the flight deck.
• 58:55
  It's not, you know, it's not much time that we can lounge
• 58:58
  around at least in, in narrow body airplanes like the seven
• 59:02
  three that I fly or, but if you're in, in a 777 or in a, in
• 59:07
  a Dreamliner where you're doing all these much longer flights,
• 59:10
  there are crew rest breaks. That means you get a rest break
• 59:13
  for about two to three hours. There you're free to do what you
• 59:16
  want. You can go watch a movie, you
• 59:18
  can sleep. There's bunks in the airplane,
• 59:21
  you can stretch, you can do whatever you want.
• 59:24
  That's only. What do you usually do?
• 59:27
  I don't have those kind of breaks.
• 59:29
  I fly narrow body. No, no.
• 59:31
  I. Just would you, do you want to
• 59:32
  fly vigor? Would you go to that?
• 59:34
  No, I would love to. I think it'll be a cool
• 59:36
  experience, yeah. How does that, how does that
• 59:39
  work? Does that?
• 59:40
  Is that based on seniority? Is that just based on like it
• 59:43
  is, it's just like, hey, man, like you've been doing this for
• 59:45
  two years. You're not getting on a
• 59:47
  Dreamliner, man. You know, you do this for 10
• 59:49
  years, you get, you get on. Exactly.
• 59:51
  Oh yeah, dude, man, it's going to take so long for me to get
• 59:54
  there. But I mean, it's fine.
• 59:55
  It's it's all part of the process sometimes.
• 59:57
  How long does it take, How long does it usually take to get to
• 1:00:00
  get to make your way up there? Like where do you consider in
• 1:00:02
  your career as far as like a pilot?
• 1:00:04
  Well, I think it, I think it's going to take me about like
• 1:00:07
  another three years to get to fly in those airplanes, but.
• 1:00:14
  It it. I'm enjoying so much being a
• 1:00:17
  captain on this airplane that I'm on right now.
• 1:00:20
  And to me, I, I don't, I haven't really looked at my career of
• 1:00:24
  like, OK, what's next? OK, what's next?
• 1:00:27
  Like I got to get to this, I guess enjoying this dude, I'm
• 1:00:29
  just enjoying every single time. And I'm I'm in either, you know,
• 1:00:34
  when I was a first officer, when I was a captain, when I was the
• 1:00:36
  first officer again, Now I'm a captain again.
• 1:00:39
  I mean, you truly enjoying the moment.
• 1:00:42
  It just really, truly makes me feel like this is just still a
• 1:00:47
  dream, man. There was a time where you do
• 1:00:51
  have to hustle. You do have to hustle to get OK.
• 1:00:54
  You got to get your flight hours to become captain, OK.
• 1:00:56
  You got to get your flight hours to get to the next airline that
• 1:00:59
  you want to go to. Those are the times that you
• 1:01:01
  hustle. But yeah, I'm not always
• 1:01:04
  thinking like, oh man, I can't wait to fly like to all the
• 1:01:07
  Europe and all that stuff. Man, that time will come when
• 1:01:10
  it'll come. Right now I'm having so much fun
• 1:01:12
  flying South America, you know, so, so that's, I think that's
• 1:01:17
  another thing that makes me enjoy my job so much.
• 1:01:22
  Yeah, yeah. You know what?
• 1:01:23
  That's such a great attitude. There's something about I, I was
• 1:01:26
  actually, I was talking about this because there was such a
• 1:01:29
  fundamental difference between I didn't know what I wanted to do
• 1:01:32
  with my entire life ever, right? For a long time, there were
• 1:01:35
  always things I knew that I kind of spoke to me, but I wasn't
• 1:01:37
  sure what I wanted to do. And one thing I, I started doing
• 1:01:42
  a couple years ago, I started teaching.
• 1:01:44
  I always, I, I love teaching. And this podcast is something
• 1:01:46
  else I love, right? And you know, people ask me
• 1:01:49
  like, oh, how's it coming? How's it going along?
• 1:01:50
  And like, man, there's when you find something that you enjoy,
• 1:01:57
  you don't mind taking your time to get wherever you got to get
• 1:02:00
  because you're enjoying everything you do.
• 1:02:02
  And when you don't rush it, like what we talked about earlier,
• 1:02:06
  you know, like full circle, you know, when you're not rushing
• 1:02:08
  and when you're just letting the moment be the moment and when
• 1:02:10
  you're just experiencing what you're experiencing and also
• 1:02:13
  building and also growing and also learning and also getting
• 1:02:17
  experience, but you're loving what you do along the way.
• 1:02:20
  That's like, that's ideal set. That's happiness in my opinion,
• 1:02:23
  right? Happiness.
• 1:02:24
  Happiness to me is a feeling of having a big picture and knowing
• 1:02:28
  that you're doing what you can to get to that big picture and
• 1:02:32
  feeling like you're taking steps towards it.
• 1:02:34
  Cuz like I don't, cuz happiness is almost like if you ask me if
• 1:02:40
  I'm having a hard day, are you happy?
• 1:02:41
  I'm like, yeah, I am, it's a hard day, but I'm a happy, but
• 1:02:44
  I'm I'm happy. I love my life, I feel good.
• 1:02:47
  I'm a happy person. I feel meaningful and and
• 1:02:50
  content and but but, you know, and then there are people that
• 1:02:54
  have comforts and I have, you know, you know, that have what
• 1:02:57
  everyone else wants, but they don't feel like they're working
• 1:03:01
  towards achieving any kind of goal or any kind of dream or any
• 1:03:03
  kind of vision and they're not happy, you know, and like, so,
• 1:03:06
  so it's such a hell. It's such a great attitude to be
• 1:03:08
  like, yeah, man, you know, I'll try.
• 1:03:10
  I'll fly a Dreamliner one day. But you know, like, you know, I
• 1:03:13
  got there, man. And like, I like what I'm doing,
• 1:03:14
  you know, like that's just what I'm that's awesome.
• 1:03:16
  With minutes. Some of your favorite places to
• 1:03:18
  to visit so far. Wow man, that's every time I get
• 1:03:21
  asked that. It's it's pretty.
• 1:03:23
  Tough it changes, right? Well.
• 1:03:24
  Yeah, let's. Talk about the people or the OR
• 1:03:27
  the OR let's talk about people like your favorite, like types
• 1:03:29
  of people that you've seen and the favorite like, you know, I
• 1:03:33
  guess cities or topography, because I feel like those are
• 1:03:35
  two different questions. For real and also to, to add on
• 1:03:41
  to that either for work or for pleasure, right.
• 1:03:45
  So like that's, that's different too.
• 1:03:48
  I'll, I'll, I'll start off with work wise where I like going.
• 1:03:52
  I really love going to the Dr. Dominican Republic.
• 1:03:54
  I love going there. The people there I vibe with so
• 1:03:58
  much. They're fun.
• 1:03:59
  It's a great mixture between being professional and having
• 1:04:02
  fun at the same time. I think they're really great and
• 1:04:04
  Puerto Rico as well. I get that same feeling and the
• 1:04:11
  where I really truly enjoy going to as well is Central America
• 1:04:15
  because it's challenging. It's challenging to go there in
• 1:04:19
  terms of the runway layout, the airport layouts, mountains
• 1:04:24
  around, dude. Sometimes there's like these
• 1:04:28
  runways that are not completely straight, they're like downhill
• 1:04:31
  or they come down and then come back up.
• 1:04:33
  It's it's just challenging and I love that.
• 1:04:36
  That makes the job so much more interesting.
• 1:04:40
  So I think one of my favorite ones is also Guatemala.
• 1:04:42
  I like flying. Into Guatemala.
• 1:04:44
  Yeah, it's a really interesting airport.
• 1:04:49
  Let's. See what about this interesting
• 1:04:50
  when you say these things, when you say that these are like I'm
• 1:04:53
  just cuz I don't I don't even know how to even think about
• 1:04:58
  what you're thinking about you. Know like, so let me try to let
• 1:05:01
  me try to visualize it for you. OK, so you're coming in from the
• 1:05:05
  Gulf, right? And you're starting to descend
• 1:05:07
  now you're starting to descend into like where mountains,
• 1:05:09
  terrains are. The airport is located on a
• 1:05:13
  hill, maybe a hill that's like about like I can't remember the
• 1:05:17
  elevation, let's call it like about maybe like the 1000 or
• 1:05:20
  2000 feet right from sea level. You have to come the way you're
• 1:05:24
  coming into it from the, from the Gulf is in your landing
• 1:05:28
  looking towards the Gulf. So you have to somehow make 180°
• 1:05:31
  turn somewhere, but you can't just make 180° anywhere because
• 1:05:36
  there's mountains and volcanoes all around.
• 1:05:38
  Obviously there's, there's called arrival charts and
• 1:05:42
  approach charts. So as long as you're following
• 1:05:45
  those that chart and those Airways, you're going to be
• 1:05:48
  fine. The thing is, is configuring and
• 1:05:51
  maneuvering the airplane to be at those specific spots at the
• 1:05:54
  specific speed, at the fixed specific configuration, you
• 1:05:58
  know, and there's a, you start like met like you start
• 1:06:02
  preparing for this while you're still cruising.
• 1:06:05
  So way before you start descending, you figure out like,
• 1:06:08
  OK, my landing capability is going to be this because we
• 1:06:11
  weigh this much. Is a runway wet?
• 1:06:13
  Is there a slope on the runway? What kind of density altitude do
• 1:06:18
  I have? Am I going to be landing with a
• 1:06:19
  tailwind? With a headwind?
• 1:06:21
  All these things you're taking into consideration and you're
• 1:06:23
  prepared mentally before you even start descending.
• 1:06:27
  Awesome. And then your goal descending is
• 1:06:30
  to be like, OK, I set up for this.
• 1:06:32
  This is how it's going to be done.
• 1:06:34
  And that's the goal reaching those things.
• 1:06:36
  So dude, as you're coming through, there may be clouds,
• 1:06:38
  there may not be clouds. You may pop out of clouds and
• 1:06:40
  they all sort of like the volcanoes right in front of you.
• 1:06:43
  And you're hitting the point you where you got to make 180° turn.
• 1:06:46
  You're lining yourself with the runway.
• 1:06:48
  It could be raining, it could be not right before the runway,
• 1:06:50
  there's like a freaking waterfall, which looks so cool.
• 1:06:54
  Not all of, not a lot of people see it because it's kind of
• 1:06:56
  small, but you could definitely see it if you look good enough.
• 1:07:00
  And then you're coming in, you may have like all this wind from
• 1:07:03
  around the mountains that are just like pushing you left,
• 1:07:05
  right with you against you. Then the, the, the runway is not
• 1:07:09
  grooved. So they, the, the, the water
• 1:07:12
  puddles in the runway in Guatemala, which is a huge
• 1:07:16
  threat. You know, you don't want to land
• 1:07:18
  where there's puddles of water. You can 'cause they could be
• 1:07:20
  hydroplaning. So now you're thinking about
• 1:07:23
  like, OK, what's my braking effectivity going to be?
• 1:07:25
  How am I going to do this? What kind of flap setting, all
• 1:07:28
  those things. It's nice when you think of all
• 1:07:31
  that and you, you know, you execute it and you park the
• 1:07:36
  airplane and you're like, fuck yeah, you know, that was cool.
• 1:07:38
  So it's satisfying. It's like a challenge and it's
• 1:07:40
  satisfying. Versus like when you come back
• 1:07:43
  to Miami, I love Miami, I love landing here.
• 1:07:47
  I think it's the best freaking airport to land here.
• 1:07:50
  The controllers are super cool, the scenery super awesome and
• 1:07:54
  but it's something that you already know.
• 1:07:56
  You already know which runway you're getting.
• 1:07:58
  You already know that it's long enough for you to land there.
• 1:07:59
  You know it's grooved. You know this this, this, so you
• 1:08:01
  know all of it. You still plan for it, but it's
• 1:08:04
  different because there's no mountains.
• 1:08:06
  There's no like winds that are could be unexpected there.
• 1:08:10
  Obviously there's thunderstorms that can pop here and there, but
• 1:08:13
  there's less of like threats than there is for example, in
• 1:08:17
  like Guatemala or Medellin in Colombia landing at night over
• 1:08:21
  there. Oh man, it's just fantastic.
• 1:08:24
  I love doing that. But let me get back to your
• 1:08:25
  original question where I love the most going to and I think my
• 1:08:30
  favorite countries have been we've my wife and I have been to
• 1:08:34
  I think like 40 together 3637 or 40.
• 1:08:39
  Can you take her on a flight on a flight with you?
• 1:08:41
  Like if you're like, have to go for.
• 1:08:42
  She's a pilot. She's a pilot too, so she.
• 1:08:44
  On the way. Yeah, yeah.
• 1:08:45
  We both have the same. Bed so cool.
• 1:08:47
  Yeah, so she so so. But she and herself has been to
• 1:08:51
  70 countries. I've been to 56.
• 1:08:54
  Japan is my favorite. I think it's because like, the
• 1:08:57
  culture, the education, the scenery, everything.
• 1:09:02
  Switzerland is amazing. Norway is amazing.
• 1:09:08
  When you go to these places, you're going, you're going,
• 1:09:10
  you're not going for work, you're going.
• 1:09:11
  No, you're. Going, these are for fun.
• 1:09:12
  These are for fun, yeah. Right.
• 1:09:14
  And do you get to travel? You get discounts on travelling?
• 1:09:16
  Do you travel for free? How does that work?
• 1:09:18
  We have benefits, we have travel benefits.
• 1:09:20
  So we can fly anywhere we want as long as there's space.
• 1:09:23
  And if it's international, you pay the taxes.
• 1:09:26
  And then if you go on another airline, you pay like a heavily
• 1:09:29
  discounted rate that they give each other's, you know, every
• 1:09:32
  airline supports each other's employees in terms of like, can
• 1:09:35
  you travel on us? If there's space, you pay this
• 1:09:37
  minimal fee and that's that's mainly why we can fly and go
• 1:09:41
  everywhere. So much for fun.
• 1:09:44
  Right. And did.
• 1:09:46
  And the 15 hours, how long did it take to get to Japan?
• 1:09:50
  Shit, Japan. Where did we do Japan from?
• 1:09:52
  We do Japan from Dallas. So it was like, you know, like
• 1:09:55
  1415. Yeah, Does that does that.
• 1:09:58
  Is that is that hard for you or that doesn't bother you?
• 1:10:03
  Man, that would drive me crazy, man.
• 1:10:04
  Good. Question.
• 1:10:06
  Sometimes it has but I just sometimes like dude just drink 3
• 1:10:13
  glasses of wine and pass out. That's all you got to do.
• 1:10:17
  I just pass out dude. I just go to sleep and sometimes
• 1:10:20
  like the longest flight I did was Doha to Miami and that was
• 1:10:24
  like 16 and change dude I slept like 9 hours out of that thing
• 1:10:31
  then I watched it. Two to three more movies and
• 1:10:34
  there you go. And then boom we're home and I'm
• 1:10:37
  like wow shit that's not that bad but man if I had not slept
• 1:10:41
  for 9 hours I'd be going nuts. Yeah, So Japan.
• 1:10:45
  You thought Japan was awesome? Loved it.
• 1:10:48
  I loved it. You loved it?
• 1:10:49
  I loved it. Yeah.
• 1:10:50
  I even got a tattoo to my legs, part of my sleeve.
• 1:10:53
  Really. Yeah.
• 1:10:54
  Cuz we had my. Fuji, We hiked at the top of
• 1:10:57
  Mount Fuji. That was probably one of the
• 1:10:59
  hardest hikes we've done. We've done hiking all over the
• 1:11:01
  world, probably have hundreds and hundreds, hundreds of trails
• 1:11:06
  that we've done around the world, and Mount Fuji was
• 1:11:10
  probably one of the hardest ones.
• 1:11:12
  Wow. What?
• 1:11:13
  What was more challenging? What was more challenging about
• 1:11:15
  it? Dude, I think, I think it was
• 1:11:18
  because the preparation of me, I wasn't very well hydrated before
• 1:11:22
  we started and we went a day after landing.
• 1:11:26
  So we weren't hourly acclimated yet, you know, So I think a
• 1:11:31
  mixture of like a little bit of fatigue, you know, not enough
• 1:11:34
  eating, not enough hydration and then.
• 1:11:37
  But the but the mountain itself was it was, it was like if you
• 1:11:40
  did that. No, it was super, super
• 1:11:42
  inclined, man. Like it got to a point where I'm
• 1:11:45
  like, I started cramping. I had to stop.
• 1:11:48
  My wife kept going. I don't know.
• 1:11:50
  She's like, she's like once she gets going, she doesn't stop,
• 1:11:54
  dude. She's like, I'll wait for you at
• 1:11:56
  the top. I'm like, dude, what is the deal
• 1:12:01
  with why? I, I lived in I lived in Seattle
• 1:12:05
  for a little for a for a year. I've I drove, I drove cross
• 1:12:08
  country to to get there. Rainier is awesome, man.
• 1:12:14
  Have you been, have you been out West?
• 1:12:15
  Do you spend time out West? A little bit.
• 1:12:17
  I've done some California stuff, but I have not explored
• 1:12:21
  Washington or Oregon or anything I've flown.
• 1:12:23
  Into there, but I haven't explored.
• 1:12:24
  Dude. Dude, if you like hiking and you
• 1:12:27
  like nature, you got to be crazy not to spend time there.
• 1:12:31
  Yeah. It's incredible.
• 1:12:32
  There's something about the West Coast mountains that are so much
• 1:12:36
  more grandiose and so much more. Like, literally awesome, awe
• 1:12:43
  inspiring. Yeah.
• 1:12:44
  And I feel like the East Coast mountains, I don't know.
• 1:12:46
  I don't know what and what it is.
• 1:12:48
  Someone mentioned to me that they may have been that the East
• 1:12:50
  Coast is older and that the West Coast mountains are newer.
• 1:12:53
  So like as as time went on, the mountains kind of like flattened
• 1:12:57
  out, which is why they appear a little bit a little longer.
• 1:13:01
  But what about the Yeah, what about culturally?
• 1:13:04
  Your favorite place is to like be with people because like, I
• 1:13:08
  love, for example, like Dublin, I love the Irish, dude, the
• 1:13:12
  Irish are awesome and and, and you know, but obviously that's
• 1:13:18
  not the most beautiful place I've ever been to in my entire
• 1:13:19
  life, you know, but I love spending time there, like
• 1:13:22
  especially with people. What is, I mean like when you go
• 1:13:25
  to these places, what do you, what's culturally like these
• 1:13:28
  places that stand out to you, man?
• 1:13:31
  That's a good question because I can vibe with a lot of different
• 1:13:36
  cultures because I'm so genuinely interested in learning
• 1:13:42
  about them. Yeah.
• 1:13:43
  That, that, you know, like in Japan, I love how reserved they
• 1:13:51
  are to certain extent and how they have so much education and
• 1:13:55
  respect for people versus going to a country where not
• 1:14:00
  necessarily that there's no respect, but they're a little
• 1:14:02
  bit more open, right? And a little bit more like going
• 1:14:06
  East Europe. That was, that was kind of
• 1:14:09
  interesting to me because it took some time for me to get
• 1:14:13
  through people and start talking to them.
• 1:14:15
  But once I did, oh man, it was like, oh, OK, OK.
• 1:14:19
  There's like, no, almost like I, I didn't, there was like no wall
• 1:14:23
  or anything. Kind of like, you know, to be
• 1:14:25
  able to, for, for us to communicate.
• 1:14:28
  But it was very interesting because in the Dr. like I
• 1:14:30
  mentioned before, it's instant. I mean, you get off the airplane
• 1:14:33
  and you're already joking around.
• 1:14:34
  Being professional is like a great mixture of all that.
• 1:14:37
  So it's really hard for me to pick one place where I
• 1:14:39
  culturally prefer. You know, right, yeah, totally,
• 1:14:44
  totally, totally. And I guess, I guess, yeah, it's
• 1:14:46
  a good point. I about about especially about
• 1:14:48
  the Eastern Europeans because they're they're like a rock, you
• 1:14:52
  know, on the surface, you know, but then it's usually it's
• 1:14:55
  usually like after like once you get past that rock, it's usually
• 1:14:59
  good humor and loyalty and like, yeah, you know, and it's cool
• 1:15:04
  how it how it manifests. My grandfather is from, was
• 1:15:07
  from, was from Poland and you know, and he was a tough dude
• 1:15:12
  and he had like no problem, you know, being an asshole if he
• 1:15:15
  wanted to be, but he, you know, but he had such a great sense of
• 1:15:19
  humor and like, you know, and you never and, and, and I guess
• 1:15:22
  it's also I guess because these are like legitimately hard
• 1:15:25
  places to live, you know, like whether it's the weather,
• 1:15:28
  whether it's the society, whatever it is that you have to
• 1:15:33
  be able to like kind of flip that serious switch on
• 1:15:35
  immediately, you know, but like, I feel like you can't survive
• 1:15:38
  without that humor either, you know, like you kind of need like
• 1:15:41
  a little bit of both of them in order to really be.
• 1:15:44
  Successful, completely agree, man.
• 1:15:47
  I think that like if everybody just stays that way, it's just
• 1:15:50
  it actually is super miserable to live like that.
• 1:15:53
  So that you kind of need to start making some sort of at
• 1:15:56
  least good sense of humor despite, you know, to be able to
• 1:16:01
  like at least, you know, enjoy some things.
• 1:16:03
  But it was really interesting because in East Europe, I
• 1:16:05
  learned so much of the history, you know, not only from the
• 1:16:08
  wars, but a lot of the communism stuff and a lot of like the
• 1:16:10
  straight thinking and the and the manipulation that they had
• 1:16:15
  over the people. It's hard to break away from
• 1:16:19
  that. You know, you still feel like
• 1:16:21
  whenever I would go to visit museums and things like that,
• 1:16:26
  damn, man, you go in there and you're like, oh fuck.
• 1:16:28
  Like you feel how tough that stuff was during the war and,
• 1:16:32
  and communism after that and communism in some Eastern Europe
• 1:16:35
  places were until like the 60s or 50s.
• 1:16:37
  That's like, that's not that long ago, you know, And the one
• 1:16:43
  of the most interesting things about being able to travel the
• 1:16:45
  world is learning, obviously the culture, but the history behind
• 1:16:51
  and all that. And you start to put some things
• 1:16:53
  together as to personality and history.
• 1:16:58
  And it's just, it's just very interesting to know and
• 1:17:03
  understand because you can, let's say you're out in Miami
• 1:17:06
  now and you're somewhere in the beach.
• 1:17:08
  I don't know. You meet someone from, I don't
• 1:17:11
  know, Montenegro. Ukraine.
• 1:17:14
  Or Ukraine or something like that.
• 1:17:15
  Now it's like you, you have a deeper knowledge and a deeper,
• 1:17:21
  deeper level of understanding that your conversation with that
• 1:17:23
  person is more. Sure.
• 1:17:26
  I guess like in depth. Maybe not in depth, but more
• 1:17:29
  like culturally aware. Yeah, well, I think it isn't
• 1:17:32
  because you guys are really speaking more of the, you know,
• 1:17:35
  you guys really are speaking the same language at a certain
• 1:17:37
  point. I mean, you know, I mean, when
• 1:17:39
  I'm talking, when you're talking another pilot, you're speaking
• 1:17:42
  pilot language, you know, like, yeah.
• 1:17:43
  And even though we're using the same words, and even though
• 1:17:45
  you're both, you're both speaking English, you guys are
• 1:17:48
  speaking another language essentially.
• 1:17:49
  And when you can, when you have that kind of cultural awareness
• 1:17:52
  or that historical awareness, then you can.
• 1:17:55
  And I think that's really what it is with a lot of, with a lot
• 1:17:58
  of people, when you have a hard time, like quote, UN quote,
• 1:18:00
  making conversation or you're a good conversationalist, I think
• 1:18:03
  it just means that you're really good at being able to put your,
• 1:18:05
  you know, be able to put yourself in someone else's
• 1:18:08
  perspective or understand where they're coming from and then be
• 1:18:11
  able to relate to them based on that, you know, right.
• 1:18:13
  Yeah. Completely, but dude, what's it
• 1:18:16
  so so your wife is also a pilot and when your dad warned you
• 1:18:21
  back in the day that you're going to, you know that it's
• 1:18:24
  going to be hard, you're going to be traveling missing things.
• 1:18:26
  Has that, has that, has that, has that happened?
• 1:18:28
  How do you guys, how do you guys, how do you guys work?
• 1:18:30
  How do you guys maintain your relationship when you're
• 1:18:33
  traveling so much? Yeah.
• 1:18:34
  So, you know, relationship in the industry is obviously a
• 1:18:37
  little bit easier in terms of like understanding each other's
• 1:18:40
  lifestyles and also like what you can do to manipulate
• 1:18:45
  scheduling to be able to work things out, right.
• 1:18:48
  So my wife, before she was a pilot, she was actually a flight
• 1:18:51
  attendant for like 5-6 years before she made the transition
• 1:18:56
  to wanting to be a pilot. And the scheduling was almost
• 1:19:00
  the same. So when we met 5 plus years ago,
• 1:19:04
  it was always a certain manipulation, mostly on her part
• 1:19:07
  to change her scheduling to be able to match mine.
• 1:19:11
  And that's because with her, she had more a little bit like more
• 1:19:16
  of like a flexibility with her schedule rather than mine.
• 1:19:19
  Mine was a little bit more like locked in terms of the flying
• 1:19:23
  that they needed me to do. With her, she was able to trade
• 1:19:25
  trips and do things easier. So it kind of accustomed to be
• 1:19:30
  her trading and changing her schedule around mine.
• 1:19:34
  And still to this day, like now as a captain, it's a junior
• 1:19:36
  captain. I'm on, I'm on, I'm on call.
• 1:19:38
  So I can't really change my days, but she can.
• 1:19:40
  She's on call as well. But her company is smaller.
• 1:19:43
  So they're able to work with each person individually and be
• 1:19:46
  able to do these trades and things like that.
• 1:19:48
  So what we'll do is we will either try to match working days
• 1:19:53
  and match off days together. If we can't match certain days
• 1:19:58
  off or working together, then if I get like a cool layover, I'll
• 1:20:03
  I'll try to bring her and she can come on my layover and spend
• 1:20:07
  some time with her. If she gets a certain layover.
• 1:20:12
  Sometimes they're not like long enough.
• 1:20:15
  So it's sometimes it's not worth for me to like be able to go and
• 1:20:18
  spend more time flying than like in the actual layover.
• 1:20:21
  So. You know, we just, we just make
• 1:20:25
  it work on our on our office, but we generally see each other
• 1:20:29
  like 15 days out of the month, 16 days out of the month more.
• 1:20:34
  Wow. Yeah.
• 1:20:35
  Yeah. More 15, yeah, like 15 to like
• 1:20:37
  15 to 20 days out of the month. How often do you guys fly have
• 1:20:41
  the same like route that you're flying to the same place or
• 1:20:43
  almost? Never.
• 1:20:44
  No, not at all. Never.
• 1:20:45
  Never. Where did she go?
• 1:20:47
  If you, if you think about, if you think about this, let's say
• 1:20:49
  if somebody who works from 9:00 to 5:00, yeah.
• 1:20:54
  Besides all the other stuff that they have to do, you only see
• 1:20:57
  your spouse or the person that you're with for a couple hours a
• 1:21:00
  day where my wife and I can be with each other the whole entire
• 1:21:04
  day because we're both off or. Yeah.
• 1:21:08
  Not being called 15 to 20 days a month, right.
• 1:21:11
  Yeah. So it's awesome that in that
• 1:21:14
  sense, it's worked out really well.
• 1:21:15
  It's not always like that though, and I'm sure it's going
• 1:21:17
  to change when we have kids. Yeah, that's going to be a whole
• 1:21:21
  different, you know, ball game once we cross that line.
• 1:21:24
  But yeah, the, the, the amount of quality of time, even if it's
• 1:21:30
  less than somebody who's always at home is, is still a little
• 1:21:35
  bit different. Yeah, I imagine for sure, for
• 1:21:38
  sure. I mean, I listen, I think that's
• 1:21:40
  part of the, the beauty of a relation of relationships in
• 1:21:42
  general, is that as long as you guys are speaking each other's
• 1:21:44
  languages, then it's OK. You know, then, then, then,
• 1:21:47
  then, then it's all great. Like my wife and I spend an
• 1:21:50
  enormous amount of time together, or at least within the
• 1:21:53
  same vicinity of one another. You know, like, you know, I'm
• 1:21:56
  work from home and, you know, she, you know, she, she's
• 1:21:59
  working part time at the moment, but she just had, we just had a
• 1:22:01
  kid two months ago. So she's.
• 1:22:03
  Congrats. She's been around.
• 1:22:04
  Thank you very much. Yeah.
• 1:22:05
  Dude, this is my there's #2 it's fucking wild, dude.
• 1:22:09
  Wow. I can't even begin to tell you,
• 1:22:11
  man. And there's, there's really no
• 1:22:14
  words, but yeah, except for chaos.
• 1:22:17
  But it's amazing. It's a love and it's chaos.
• 1:22:21
  That's the two words that I would put there.
• 1:22:23
  But yeah. But yeah, we spend a lot of time
• 1:22:26
  together and then but a lot of times we'll be like, even though
• 1:22:28
  we've been in the same house together for 10 hours, you know,
• 1:22:33
  I haven't, I barely spoke to her.
• 1:22:34
  You know, I've been working, I've been doing a podcast.
• 1:22:36
  I work for a jog. I go, you know, I, I, you know,
• 1:22:38
  she, she, you know, she has to run, you know, she runs out.
• 1:22:41
  She, she goes to cut, you know, she goes to see a patient or she
• 1:22:43
  goes to, you know, practice, you know, doing a couple of
• 1:22:45
  ultrasounds and like, and then we look at each other like we've
• 1:22:49
  been together all day, but I feel like I haven't seen you or
• 1:22:50
  spoken to you all day. So like, it's all about, you
• 1:22:52
  know, I think it's all just about like the ability to
• 1:22:54
  communicate. That's what I've noticed is just
• 1:22:56
  like, and yeah, and, and communicating the hard stuff is,
• 1:23:00
  is also important because and, and figure out how to phrase it
• 1:23:03
  like, yeah, you know, she's had to like, you know, I've been
• 1:23:06
  travelling a bunch recently back and forth to Florida and I was
• 1:23:09
  again like I was in Israel and Amsterdam and I had like 10
• 1:23:13
  hours in Barcelona, which I thought was really cool.
• 1:23:16
  But you know, and, and then she said to me, he's like, I just
• 1:23:21
  feel like she's like, I don't want to say this, like, I don't
• 1:23:23
  want you. I'm not trying to start a fight.
• 1:23:24
  I'm not trying to get you upset. Just like, I just feel like we
• 1:23:26
  haven't like had much of a relationship recently.
• 1:23:29
  And like, just like, and just the preface with A, I'm not
• 1:23:33
  starting, I'm not trying to fight and B, this is how I feel.
• 1:23:37
  What, you know, what do you think about that?
• 1:23:39
  You know, it, it, it was, it was almost open-ended and it was an
• 1:23:42
  invitation to, to collaborate again, as opposed to, you know,
• 1:23:47
  some kind of some kind of conflict.
• 1:23:48
  And I feel like that took time for us to figure out, but since
• 1:23:53
  we have, it's been crucial. That's good.
• 1:23:57
  And I mean, at least the line of communication is there, which is
• 1:24:00
  the hardest part, right? Sometimes what is it that I'm
• 1:24:04
  trying to communicate is hard, right?
• 1:24:07
  Cuz you sometimes you can't even put into words what you're
• 1:24:10
  actually. Trying to.
• 1:24:11
  What you're feeling, right? And, and, and, and it takes a
• 1:24:14
  certain level of, I guess, experience and time in a
• 1:24:17
  relationship to be able to communicate that with your
• 1:24:20
  partner effectively, right? Because then we misinterpret
• 1:24:25
  what the other person's trying to say and then it goes out from
• 1:24:28
  there, right? But it happens like stuff like
• 1:24:29
  that happens all the time. But that's nice though.
• 1:24:32
  It's nice that you know, you guys at least you can able get
• 1:24:35
  that line of communication out and then work on it from there,
• 1:24:37
  which is which is huge man, that's amazing.
• 1:24:41
  Yeah, definitely. Are you a UFC fan with all your
• 1:24:44
  with all your training and all your working out?
• 1:24:46
  Yeah, no, I I definitely love it.
• 1:24:48
  I got more into UFC within the past two years, so I don't
• 1:24:52
  really know. Like.
• 1:24:53
  All, all of them. But you know me from martial
• 1:24:58
  arts I I love more of like the discipline, self-defense aspect
• 1:25:04
  of it. I'm not in it to go in and fight
• 1:25:07
  people. Yeah, yeah, for sure.
• 1:25:09
  Me, I'm just, I just do it because I really love it.
• 1:25:13
  And if something were to ever happen, I at least have tools
• 1:25:15
  that I can help. Sure.
• 1:25:17
  Self-defense. You know my family and I.
• 1:25:20
  Yeah, yeah, I cuz I've been what do you I think that I think
• 1:25:25
  Taporia is going to murder Olivera this weekend.
• 1:25:28
  I'm a little and I'm a little sad about it, man, but I, I this
• 1:25:32
  guy. I know I love Olivera.
• 1:25:35
  He's he's such a great team player like in terms of like
• 1:25:38
  respect to the other team and his own team and his opponent.
• 1:25:41
  I think it's it's wonderful. He's like one of the most loved
• 1:25:43
  people in the UFC. But Ilya, it's also a man.
• 1:25:47
  I I love that. I love the way that guy fights.
• 1:25:49
  He's. Dude I love the way he fights.
• 1:25:52
  I think he's much younger though than Olivera I think.
• 1:25:55
  He is and he's going to knock his head off dude.
• 1:25:57
  I think, I really think so. I think he cuz I heard him, I
• 1:26:01
  heard him on Rogan and he said he usually walks around I think
• 1:26:04
  at like 185 and he, he was fighting at 1:45.
• 1:26:08
  He's like to not have to lose that extra 10 lbs.
• 1:26:11
  He goes, I'm going to, he goes and maybe he's lying.
• 1:26:13
  Maybe, you know, maybe he's making it up.
• 1:26:15
  I don't know how this kind of stuff works, dude, but I would
• 1:26:17
  love to see him when I would love to see him be a family.
• 1:26:21
  What was it? Flyweight, featherweight,
• 1:26:25
  lightweight and middle weight champ, dude.
• 1:26:26
  I want him to beat everyone, man.
• 1:26:28
  I'm I'm rooting for him. I know, me too.
• 1:26:30
  I, I, it's gonna be a real it's, it's in June, right?
• 1:26:33
  June 28th or July? No, it's this weekend.
• 1:26:36
  It's. This weekend.
• 1:26:37
  OK, Yeah, this. Weekend.
• 1:26:38
  Yeah, yeah, yeah. Are you gonna be?
• 1:26:39
  Are you gonna be? Are you gonna be?
• 1:26:40
  Are you gonna be flying this? Weekend.
• 1:26:42
  Yeah, I'm on call. So I don't, I don't know,
• 1:26:43
  usually like they'll let me know 3-2 to three hours before I
• 1:26:48
  gotta go fly. They're like, I don't, I don't
• 1:26:50
  know where I'm going. I don't know what time I'm
• 1:26:51
  going. I just know that my schedule
• 1:26:54
  starts at 7:00 in the morning on certain days and at 7:00 in the
• 1:26:56
  morning, they can call me all the way up to 7:00 PM at night.
• 1:26:59
  And I. Know where I'm going?
• 1:27:01
  Yeah, I don't know where I'm going.
• 1:27:02
  I don't know how many flights I'm doing.
• 1:27:04
  I don't know any of that but. Wow, does that change as you, as
• 1:27:08
  you, as you go through your career?
• 1:27:10
  Yeah, as you get more senior, you're start to be able to pick.
• 1:27:12
  Oh, OK, No longer am I in reserve.
• 1:27:14
  I can, you know, fly four day trips if I want, then three
• 1:27:17
  days. So the most lucrative is like
• 1:27:20
  2/2 day trips. And it takes, it's probably
• 1:27:25
  gonna take me years, like probably like 10 years to get
• 1:27:27
  there. Yeah, well, we'll get there.
• 1:27:29
  But dude, I, I love being alcohol, right.
• 1:27:32
  One, the, the element of surprise, like where you're
• 1:27:34
  going. And a lot of the times it's
• 1:27:35
  easier trips than actual trips that you can bid for in the
• 1:27:38
  beginning of the month. And sometimes you end up doing
• 1:27:43
  trips that are awesome and your seniority cannot hold it if you
• 1:27:48
  were to request it in the beginning of the month, right?
• 1:27:50
  Because let's say, I don't know, a captain called out sick and
• 1:27:53
  it's all of a sudden it's like a 24 hour Punta Cana lay over you.
• 1:27:56
  Like my God, I could have, I wouldn't seen this in years.
• 1:28:00
  But guess what? I'm all called a new.
• 1:28:02
  Let's go. Dude, such a freaking great
• 1:28:06
  attitude about it. Seriously, because I I, it's
• 1:28:08
  because I could, you could, I could, I could imagine a million
• 1:28:11
  different conversations with a million different people where
• 1:28:13
  they would be like, yeah, you know, I wasn't sure, you know,
• 1:28:17
  you know, I wasn't sure where I was going to go.
• 1:28:19
  And I was like, I have to go back to there again.
• 1:28:21
  I have to go back to Colombia and I like right, right.
• 1:28:23
  I love enthusiasm, dude. I really, I think that I think
• 1:28:26
  that that's what makes the difference between a successful
• 1:28:27
  ultimately career or, you know, satisfying, you know, life than
• 1:28:31
  than not is to have that kind of attitude.
• 1:28:34
  I will say this though, the hard part about this scheduling and
• 1:28:39
  the attitude is knowing that man, you're doing something at
• 1:28:45
  home and you're busy and you don't think you're gonna get
• 1:28:47
  called. And then all of a sudden they
• 1:28:50
  call you and you're in the middle of a project, you're in
• 1:28:53
  the middle of something and you're like, fuck, like I was
• 1:28:56
  not expecting to get called. Like damn it, right for like for
• 1:29:01
  like a minute it you're just like, come on, like why do they
• 1:29:05
  have to call out sick? Or why did this?
• 1:29:07
  Why did that? Like are you kidding?
• 1:29:09
  And then, like you, you process. It and you got to do you got.
• 1:29:13
  To do you got to do what you got to do.
• 1:29:14
  And like this trip is not too bad.
• 1:29:16
  And honestly my wife is like dude, you need to stop
• 1:29:19
  complaining when you get a trip. But The thing is, is like, if I
• 1:29:23
  wasn't busy with something else, I wouldn't because like, I'm a
• 1:29:26
  task person, man. I I don't, I don't want to leave
• 1:29:28
  shit undone, right? Yeah.
• 1:29:30
  So like if I'm in the middle of something and they call me, I'm
• 1:29:33
  like, what bothers me is that I can't finish what I started.
• 1:29:37
  Not that they called me. I'm just bothered that I'm
• 1:29:39
  interrupted. Yeah.
• 1:29:41
  Well, do you ever get called in the middle of like a fight?
• 1:29:44
  Like if you ever like big ring with your wife or anything like
• 1:29:46
  that, do you get called and you're like, no shit, I got to
• 1:29:48
  go. I have.
• 1:29:49
  I have been called in the middle of of like MMA training.
• 1:29:54
  Oh really? Yeah.
• 1:29:55
  Oh yeah. Shit.
• 1:29:56
  I got around. I'm like, oh, I'm sorry, I'm
• 1:29:59
  rolling with someone. And then like phone rings and
• 1:30:01
  I'm like, oh, shit. And then it's like, you got to
• 1:30:03
  go to Vegas and I'm like, well, that's not that bad.
• 1:30:05
  I'll see you guys later, dude. Yeah.
• 1:30:11
  Could you finish the fight? Train on the road, huh?
• 1:30:15
  Do you train on the road? Like do you roll on the road if
• 1:30:17
  you're, if you're traveling, if you go to Japan or anything like
• 1:30:19
  that, you don't like stop in the place and train?
• 1:30:22
  I would love to, I think that'll be pretty cool, but it just were
• 1:30:27
  I I would do it if I was travelling by myself that.
• 1:30:29
  'D be really cool, dude. It'd be really cool to like,
• 1:30:32
  just like everywhere you like, you know, like I, I love my
• 1:30:34
  craft beer. I'm into breweries, so I've been
• 1:30:36
  to breweries in like more than half the States and like, you
• 1:30:38
  know, oh, that's a bunch of different countries.
• 1:30:40
  Yeah. And like, it'd be cool to like,
• 1:30:41
  you know, like, OK, like, I've rolled in like 50 different
• 1:30:44
  countries and like, I'm sure the cultures are so cool and
• 1:30:48
  different, you know, that you can probably run so much, you
• 1:30:51
  know? For sure, I would love to do
• 1:30:53
  that in in Thailand. I would love to do like go to a
• 1:30:56
  Maui Thai gym. Yeah, yeah.
• 1:30:58
  Have you been to Thailand? No, not yet.
• 1:31:01
  Not yet. That's in the works, man.
• 1:31:03
  That's in the works. That's in the works, dude.
• 1:31:05
  That's in the works. Did you watch White Lotus?
• 1:31:07
  Are you a fan? No, my wife is.
• 1:31:10
  Yeah, she loves. Piece of views.
• 1:31:13
  I'm never like, The thing is like she watches her stuff when
• 1:31:16
  I go to MMA training and I go and I'm always at MMA training
• 1:31:19
  like at night. So my my stuff is at 7:30 PM and
• 1:31:22
  that's when she usually watches a lot of so I miss out on a lot
• 1:31:25
  of shows. And where's your gym?
• 1:31:27
  Where do you train? I train in close to Fort
• 1:31:31
  Lauderdale, so I train in, I train in no, maybe like still 15
• 1:31:38
  minutes away, 15 to 20 minutes away from Guy 11 place is in
• 1:31:42
  Weston, the jujitsu places in Western, which is Gracie behind
• 1:31:45
  the other one's premier martial arts.
• 1:31:47
  So Premier Martial Arts, they have a lot of schools in South
• 1:31:51
  Florida, they. Have.
• 1:31:52
  Yeah, I've heard the name. Yeah, they have it in like Fort
• 1:31:56
  Lauderdale. I think it's like Oakland Park,
• 1:31:58
  Coconut Creek, all these different places.
• 1:32:00
  So that's pretty much where I where I go train and it usually
• 1:32:06
  runs 7:30 to 9:00 PM. So like I basically get home.
• 1:32:10
  We try to watch at least one episode of something and then
• 1:32:13
  let's say right now we're watching one called Waterfront,
• 1:32:16
  which is like about like this, a family that owns a fishery in
• 1:32:20
  North Carolina and then they get involved with like drug runs and
• 1:32:24
  it. Looks great.
• 1:32:25
  It looks. Pretty good.
• 1:32:27
  It looks pretty good. What's that on?
• 1:32:29
  It's on Netflix, Yeah. Yeah, it's called, I think it's
• 1:32:31
  called Waterfront. Waterfront.
• 1:32:32
  I'm looking for a new show, dude.
• 1:32:33
  I mean, there's been a lot of great content out recently, but
• 1:32:36
  I've been, I've been finding all of it.
• 1:32:38
  Dude. Dude, this is a good age for
• 1:32:40
  this past year. Has a lot of good television the
• 1:32:42
  last couple of years. Yeah, yeah, it's been really
• 1:32:45
  good. It's been fun.
• 1:32:46
  It's been fun, dude. I really appreciate the time,
• 1:32:50
  man. I appreciate you doing this.
• 1:32:51
  You know, this is so much fun. It's so cool.
• 1:32:54
  I'd love to. We'll hang out.
• 1:32:55
  We'll hang out in person. I'll meet you.
• 1:33:00
  You're welcome to come over. I'll meet you at guy's gym.
• 1:33:03
  We'll get, we'll get adjusted or roll maybe.
• 1:33:05
  And dude, this is so much fun. I hope to do this again, man.
• 1:33:09
  Thank you so much for coming on. Yes, of course.
• 1:33:11
  Thank you for having me. It was a pleasure talking with
• 1:33:13
  you and being able to share a little bit of aviation fitness
• 1:33:16
  and stuff like that. So thanks.
• 1:33:18
  We're gonna have you. Yeah, Dude, I'm very excited
• 1:33:19
  about this episode, man. This is awesome.
• 1:33:20
  Thanks so much. We'll be in touch.
• 1:33:22
  Take care, brother. All right.
• 1:33:23
  Have a good day, brother. Bye.