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How a Near Death Experience Ignited My Creative Passion · Music Explored Podcast

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  Well,
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  basically,
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  I
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  mean,
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  after
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  I
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  had
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  my
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  near
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  death
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  experience,
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  I
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  was
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  in
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  hospital
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  recovering.
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  And
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  because
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  of
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  this
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  experience,
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  I
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  felt
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  like
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  I
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  was.
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  I
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  was
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  filled
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  with
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  a
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  lot
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  of
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  beautiful
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  energy
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  and
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  it
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  was
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  a
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  spiritual
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  awakening
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  basically.
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  You
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  know,
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  it
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  was
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  just
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  like
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  suddenly
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  I
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  felt
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  like
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  a
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  completely
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  different
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  person.
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  Suddenly
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  I
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  had
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  no
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  urge
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  to
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  drink
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  alcohol,
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  you
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  know.
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  You
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  know,
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  my
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  family
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  were
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  concerned
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  about
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  what
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  was
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  happening
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  to
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  me
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  and
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  they
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  were
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  worried
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  that
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  I'd
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  be
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  withdrawal
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  symptoms
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  and
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  stuff,
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  but
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  I
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  was
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  okay,
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  you
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  know,
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  and
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  I.
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  Even
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  though
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  I
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  was
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  struggling
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  from
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  what
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  the,
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  you
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  know,
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  to
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  process
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  what
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  happened
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  with
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  this
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  horrific
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  accident
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  and
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  struggling
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  with
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  the,
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  you
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  know,
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  physically
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  to
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  recover
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  that
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  the,
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  this
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  spiritual
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  awakening
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  just
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  gave
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  me
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  so
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  much
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  strength
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  that
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  I
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  didn't
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  care.
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  I
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  just
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  remained
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  kind
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  of
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  present
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  and
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  in
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  the
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  moment
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  while
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  I
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  was
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  like
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  in
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  hospital
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  recovering.
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  And
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  so,
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  so
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  that
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  was
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  pretty,
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  you
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  know,
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  and
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  I
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  just
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  couldn't
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  wait
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  to
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  get
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  out
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  and,
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  and
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  try
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  and
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  tell
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  as
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  many
• 1:06
  people
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  about
• 1:06
  what
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  had
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  happened
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  to
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  me
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  as
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  possible.
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  Because
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  a
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  near
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  death
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  experience
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  really
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  is
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  like,
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  it's.
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  It.
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  It's
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  like
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  a
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  view.
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  Well,
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  not
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  a
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  view.
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  You
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  actually,
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  if
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  you,
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  you're
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  entering
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  the
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  next
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  stage
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  after,
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  after
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  you
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  die,
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  basically,
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  you
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  know,
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  this
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  is
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  what
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  everybody
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  who
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  has
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  a
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  near
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  death
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  experience
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  will
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  tell
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  you,
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  you
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  know,
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  and
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  so
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  I
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  just
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  thought
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  I've
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  got
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  to
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  share
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  it
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  with
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  people
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  because
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  I've
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  got
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  to
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  share
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  the
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  fact
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  that,
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  that
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  death
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  is
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  not
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  the
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  end.
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  That,
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  you
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  know,
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  that
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  the
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  soul
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  lives
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  on
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  and
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  the
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  soul
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  moves
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  on
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  to
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  a
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  beautiful
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  realm,
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  a
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  beautiful
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  place.
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  And,
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  and
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  not
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  only
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  that,
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  I
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  was,
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  I
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  came
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  back
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  with.
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  I
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  learned
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  to
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  love
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  myself
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  for
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  the
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  first
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  time.
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  I
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  learned
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  to
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  feel
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  a
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  sense
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  self
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  worth,
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  you
• 1:49
  know,
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  And
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  I
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  suddenly
• 1:51
  thought
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  I'm.
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  I
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  want
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  to.
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  I
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  want
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  to
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  do
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  a
• 1:54
  painting
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  of
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  what
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  I'd
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  seen
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  in
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  this
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  afterlife.
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  And
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  I
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  thought
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  I
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  want
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  to
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  write
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  music
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  about
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  what
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  I'd
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  seen
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  in
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  the
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  afterlife
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  and
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  what
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  I
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  felt.
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  Because
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  it
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  wasn't
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  just
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  what
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  I'd
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  seen.
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  It
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  was
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  a
• 2:04
  very.
• 2:04
  There
• 2:04
  was
• 2:04
  lots
• 2:04
  of
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  beautiful
• 2:05
  feelings
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  that
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  I
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  wanted
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  to
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  express.
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  So
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  that's
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  where
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  I'm
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  at
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  now.
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  So
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  I
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  spend
• 2:11
  my
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  life
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  now.
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  I'm
• 2:12
  an
• 2:12
  artist
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  and
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  a
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  composer.
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  So,
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  you
• 2:15
  know,
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  the
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  two
• 2:16
  kind
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  of
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  run
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  each,
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  you
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  know,
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  side
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  by
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  side.
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  Yeah,
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  yeah,
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  yeah.
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  But
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  just
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  to
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  clarify,
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  because
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  you
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  didn't
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  have
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  these
• 2:23
  gifts
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  and
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  talents
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  prior,
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  did
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  you?
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  Well,
• 2:27
  I
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  just.
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  I
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  know
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  I.
• 2:28
  I
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  had
• 2:29
  always
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  sort
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  of
• 2:31
  had
• 2:31
  an
• 2:31
  interest
• 2:31
  when
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  I
• 2:32
  was
• 2:32
  a
• 2:32
  kid.
• 2:32
  You
• 2:32
  know,
• 2:32
  I
• 2:33
  was,
• 2:33
  I
• 2:33
  was
• 2:33
  always
• 2:34
  interested
• 2:34
  in
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  drawing
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  and
• 2:35
  stuff
• 2:35
  like
• 2:35
  that,
• 2:35
  and
• 2:36
  I
• 2:36
  thought
• 2:36
  I
• 2:36
  could
• 2:37
  do
• 2:37
  something
• 2:37
  with
• 2:37
  this,
• 2:38
  but
• 2:38
  I
• 2:38
  was
• 2:39
  discouraged
• 2:39
  by
• 2:39
  my
• 2:40
  teachers
• 2:40
  at
• 2:40
  school.
• 2:40
  You
• 2:41
  know,
• 2:41
  we
• 2:41
  used
• 2:41
  to
• 2:41
  have
• 2:41
  these
• 2:42
  kind
• 2:42
  of
• 2:42
  like
• 2:43
  careers
• 2:44
  advisors
• 2:45
  coming
• 2:45
  to
• 2:45
  the
• 2:46
  school
• 2:46
  and,
• 2:46
  and
• 2:47
  in
• 2:47
  the
• 2:47
  uk,
• 2:47
  it's,
• 2:48
  it's,
• 2:48
  it's
• 2:48
  the
• 2:48
  thing
• 2:49
  that
• 2:49
  they
• 2:49
  do
• 2:49
  and
• 2:49
  they
• 2:49
  say,
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  right,
• 2:50
  you
• 2:50
  know,
• 2:50
  what
• 2:51
  do
• 2:51
  you
• 2:51
  want
• 2:51
  to
• 2:51
  do
• 2:51
  when
• 2:51
  you
• 2:51
  leave
• 2:52
  school?
• 2:52
  You
• 2:52
  know,
• 2:52
  and
• 2:52
  it's
• 2:53
  kind
• 2:53
  of
• 2:53
  like
• 2:53
  there's
• 2:53
  some
• 2:53
  guy
• 2:54
  who
• 2:54
  sat
• 2:54
  behind
• 2:54
  a
• 2:54
  desk
• 2:55
  and
• 2:55
  I,
• 2:55
  and
• 2:55
  I
• 2:56
  say,
• 2:56
  well,
• 2:56
  you
• 2:56
  know,
• 2:57
  I
• 2:57
  want
• 2:58
  to
• 2:58
  be,
• 2:58
  you
• 2:58
  know,
• 2:58
  I'll
• 2:59
  be
• 2:59
  an
• 2:59
  artist,
• 2:59
  maybe
• 3:00
  go
• 3:00
  to
• 3:00
  art
• 3:00
  school
• 3:00
  or
• 3:00
  something
• 3:01
  like
• 3:01
  that.
• 3:01
  I
• 3:01
  said,
• 3:01
  you
• 3:02
  can't
• 3:02
  go
• 3:02
  to
• 3:02
  art
• 3:02
  school.
• 3:03
  You've
• 3:03
  got
• 3:03
  no
• 3:03
  academic
• 3:04
  qualifications.
• 3:04
  You're
• 3:05
  never
• 3:05
  going
• 3:05
  to
• 3:05
  get
• 3:05
  them.
• 3:05
  You
• 3:05
  know,
• 3:06
  forget
• 3:06
  it.
• 3:06
  You
• 3:07
  get
• 3:07
  you,
• 3:07
  you
• 3:07
  know.
• 3:08
  Yeah,
• 3:08
  that
• 3:08
  was
• 3:09
  it.
• 3:09
  So
• 3:10
  that,
• 3:10
  that
• 3:10
  was
• 3:10
  just,
• 3:10
  that
• 3:11
  door
• 3:11
  was
• 3:11
  completely
• 3:12
  slammed
• 3:12
  too.
• 3:12
  So,
• 3:13
  so,
• 3:13
  yeah,
• 3:13
  so,
• 3:14
  but
• 3:15
  basically.
• 3:16
  But
• 3:16
  as
• 3:16
  I
• 3:16
  say,
• 3:16
  I
• 3:16
  came
• 3:17
  back
• 3:17
  with
• 3:17
  this
• 3:17
  feeling
• 3:17
  of
• 3:18
  self
• 3:18
  worth
• 3:18
  and
• 3:19
  I,
• 3:19
  and,
• 3:19
  and
• 3:19
  it
• 3:19
  gave
• 3:20
  me
• 3:20
  confidence
• 3:20
  to
• 3:21
  start
• 3:21
  doing
• 3:22
  all
• 3:22
  these
• 3:22
  things.
• 3:22
  But.
• 3:23
  Yeah,
• 3:24
  but
• 3:24
  I've
• 3:24
  got
• 3:24
  no
• 3:24
  formal
• 3:25
  training
• 3:25
  whatsoever
• 3:26
  in,
• 3:26
  in,
• 3:27
  in
• 3:28
  art,
• 3:28
  but
• 3:28
  also
• 3:29
  any
• 3:30
  formal
• 3:30
  training
• 3:31
  in
• 3:31
  writing
• 3:31
  music
• 3:32
  for
• 3:32
  orchestra,
• 3:33
  which
• 3:33
  is
• 3:33
  what
• 3:33
  I
• 3:33
  do
• 3:33
  now.
• 3:34
  You
• 3:34
  know,
• 3:34
  I
• 3:34
  still
• 3:34
  can't
• 3:34
  read
• 3:35
  or
• 3:35
  write
• 3:35
  a
• 3:36
  single
• 3:36
  note
• 3:36
  of
• 3:36
  music,
• 3:37
  by
• 3:37
  the
• 3:37
  way,
• 3:37
  but
• 3:38
  I
• 3:38
  still
• 3:38
  managed
• 3:39
  to
• 3:39
  put
• 3:39
  music
• 3:40
  together
• 3:40
  for
• 3:40
  an
• 3:40
  orchestra
• 3:41
  and
• 3:41
  hear
• 3:42
  all
• 3:42
  those
• 3:42
  sounds
• 3:43
  and
• 3:43
  create
• 3:43
  them.
• 3:44
  Yeah,
• 3:44
  so
• 3:44
  it's
• 3:44
  quite,
• 3:45
  it's,
• 3:45
  it's
• 3:46
  pretty
• 3:46
  mad.
• 3:46
  I
• 3:46
  guess
• 3:46
  we
• 3:47
  definitely
• 3:47
  have
• 3:47
  to
• 3:47
  talk
• 3:47
  about
• 3:47
  that.
• 3:48
  I
• 3:48
  just
• 3:48
  wanted
• 3:48
  to
• 3:48
  ask
• 3:49
  one
• 3:49
  thing.
• 3:49
  I
• 3:49
  don't
• 3:50
  think
• 3:50
  we've
• 3:50
  gone
• 3:51
  here
• 3:51
  before.
• 3:52
  And
• 3:52
  just
• 3:52
  for
• 3:53
  myself,
• 3:53
  like,
• 3:53
  I
• 3:53
  have
• 3:54
  a
• 3:54
  strong
• 3:54
  faith
• 3:54
  in
• 3:55
  God
• 3:56
  and
• 3:56
  spirituality,
• 3:58
  but
• 3:59
  is
• 3:59
  this
• 3:59
  something.
• 3:59
  Because
• 4:00
  you
• 4:00
  mentioned
• 4:00
  the
• 4:00
  spiritual
• 4:01
  realm
• 4:01
  a
• 4:01
  few
• 4:01
  times.
• 4:02
  Is
• 4:03
  that,
• 4:03
  were
• 4:03
  you,
• 4:04
  did
• 4:04
  you
• 4:04
  grow
• 4:04
  up
• 4:04
  this
• 4:05
  way?
• 4:05
  Like,
• 4:05
  did
• 4:05
  you
• 4:06
  have
• 4:07
  spiritual
• 4:07
  or
• 4:07
  Christian
• 4:08
  beliefs
• 4:08
  growing
• 4:08
  up?
• 4:09
  No,
• 4:09
  I,
• 4:10
  I
• 4:10
  kind
• 4:11
  of
• 4:11
  rejected
• 4:11
  all
• 4:11
  that,
• 4:12
  to
• 4:12
  be
• 4:12
  honest
• 4:12
  with
• 4:12
  you,
• 4:12
  because
• 4:13
  when
• 4:14
  I,
• 4:14
  when
• 4:14
  I
• 4:14
  was
• 4:14
  really
• 4:15
  young,
• 4:15
  you
• 4:15
  know,
• 4:15
  my
• 4:15
  parents
• 4:16
  were
• 4:16
  Christ
• 4:16
  and
• 4:17
  we'd
• 4:17
  all
• 4:17
  go
• 4:17
  to
• 4:18
  church
• 4:18
  as
• 4:18
  a
• 4:18
  family
• 4:19
  and
• 4:19
  I
• 4:19
  really
• 4:20
  didn't
• 4:20
  get
• 4:20
  it
• 4:21
  at
• 4:21
  the
• 4:21
  time.
• 4:21
  You
• 4:21
  know,
• 4:21
  I
• 4:21
  just
• 4:22
  didn't
• 4:22
  feel
• 4:22
  comfortable
• 4:23
  in
• 4:23
  that
• 4:23
  setup,
• 4:24
  in
• 4:24
  that
• 4:24
  church
• 4:25
  setup.
• 4:25
  And,
• 4:26
  and
• 4:26
  my
• 4:27
  parents
• 4:27
  were
• 4:27
  very
• 4:27
  liberal
• 4:28
  and
• 4:28
  I
• 4:28
  said
• 4:28
  to
• 4:28
  them,
• 4:28
  look,
• 4:29
  I'm
• 4:29
  not
• 4:29
  really
• 4:30
  enjoying
• 4:30
  this.
• 4:31
  And
• 4:31
  I
• 4:31
  said,
• 4:31
  that's
• 4:31
  okay.
• 4:32
  You
• 4:32
  stay
• 4:33
  at
• 4:33
  home.
• 4:33
  So
• 4:33
  I
• 4:33
  used
• 4:34
  to
• 4:34
  just
• 4:34
  kind
• 4:34
  of
• 4:34
  stay
• 4:35
  at
• 4:35
  home
• 4:35
  and
• 4:35
  not
• 4:35
  go
• 4:35
  to
• 4:35
  church.
• 4:36
  And,
• 4:36
  and
• 4:37
  so
• 4:37
  I,
• 4:38
  I
• 4:38
  never,
• 4:38
  I
• 4:38
  was
• 4:38
  never
• 4:39
  really,
• 4:39
  I
• 4:39
  wouldn't
• 4:40
  say
• 4:40
  I
• 4:40
  was
• 4:40
  atheist,
• 4:41
  but
• 4:41
  I
• 4:42
  was
• 4:42
  just
• 4:42
  kind
• 4:42
  of
• 4:42
  very
• 4:43
  not
• 4:43
  in
• 4:44
  up
• 4:44
  for
• 4:44
  the
• 4:44
  church
• 4:45
  idea.
• 4:45
  And
• 4:45
  so,
• 4:46
  so
• 4:47
  I
• 4:47
  guess
• 4:47
  I
• 4:48
  kind
• 4:48
  of
• 4:48
  never
• 4:49
  let
• 4:49
  that
• 4:49
  into
• 4:49
  my
• 4:50
  life,
• 4:50
  which
• 4:50
  is
• 4:50
  unfortunate
• 4:51
  because
• 4:51
  I
• 4:51
  could
• 4:51
  have
• 4:51
  done
• 4:51
  with
• 4:52
  it
• 4:52
  at
• 4:52
  the
• 4:52
  time
• 4:52
  when
• 4:52
  I
• 4:52
  was
• 4:52
  Struggling,
• 4:53
  you
• 4:53
  know,
• 4:54
  I
• 4:54
  could
• 4:54
  have
• 4:54
  done
• 4:54
  with
• 4:55
  some
• 4:55
  faith
• 4:56
  in
• 4:56
  God.
• 4:56
  I
• 4:56
  could
• 4:56
  have
• 4:56
  done
• 4:57
  with
• 4:58
  some
• 4:58
  spiritual
• 4:59
  awakening.
• 4:59
  Then,
• 5:00
  you
• 5:00
  know,
• 5:00
  it
• 5:00
  did.
• 5:01
  It
• 5:01
  came.
• 5:01
  But.
• 5:02
  But.
• 5:02
  And
• 5:02
  I
• 5:02
  guess
• 5:02
  that's
• 5:03
  why
• 5:03
  it
• 5:03
  came.
• 5:03
  That's
• 5:03
  how
• 5:03
  I
• 5:04
  see
• 5:04
  it.
• 5:04
  I
• 5:04
  guess
• 5:05
  I
• 5:05
  was.
• 5:05
  I
• 5:05
  was.
• 5:06
  It's
• 5:06
  almost
• 5:06
  like,
• 5:06
  you
• 5:07
  know,
• 5:07
  I
• 5:08
  was
• 5:08
  given
• 5:08
  another
• 5:09
  chance
• 5:09
  to
• 5:10
  sort
• 5:10
  of
• 5:10
  turn
• 5:11
  things
• 5:11
  around,
• 5:12
  because
• 5:12
  I
• 5:12
  clearly
• 5:12
  wanted
• 5:13
  to.
• 5:13
  In
• 5:13
  all
• 5:13
  fairness,
• 5:14
  you
• 5:14
  know,
• 5:14
  when
• 5:14
  I
• 5:14
  was
• 5:15
  told
• 5:15
  at
• 5:15
  school
• 5:16
  that
• 5:16
  I
• 5:16
  wasn't
• 5:16
  going
• 5:16
  to
• 5:16
  achieve
• 5:17
  anything
• 5:17
  because
• 5:17
  I
• 5:18
  wasn't.
• 5:18
  No
• 5:18
  hope,
• 5:18
  basically,
• 5:19
  I
• 5:20
  thought,
• 5:20
  well,
• 5:20
  that's
• 5:20
  not
• 5:20
  true.
• 5:21
  You
• 5:21
  know,
• 5:21
  I
• 5:21
  really
• 5:21
  want.
• 5:22
  I
• 5:22
  want
• 5:22
  to
• 5:22
  do
• 5:23
  something
• 5:23
  with
• 5:23
  my
• 5:23
  life,
• 5:23
  you
• 5:24
  know.
• 5:24
  So,
• 5:25
  yeah,
• 5:25
  so
• 5:26
  that
• 5:26
  was
• 5:26
  like,
• 5:26
  what.
• 5:26
  You
• 5:27
  believed
• 5:27
  at
• 5:27
  the
• 5:27
  time.
• 5:28
  Like
• 5:28
  some
• 5:28
  part
• 5:28
  of
• 5:28
  you
• 5:28
  was
• 5:29
  like,
• 5:29
  no,
• 5:29
  this
• 5:29
  can't
• 5:29
  be.
• 5:30
  We've
• 5:31
  had
• 5:31
  this
• 5:31
  experience.
• 5:31
  I
• 5:31
  mean,
• 5:32
  over
• 5:33
  here
• 5:33
  we
• 5:33
  call
• 5:33
  them
• 5:33
  guidance
• 5:34
  counselors,
• 5:35
  and
• 5:35
  I'm
• 5:35
  sure
• 5:35
  they
• 5:35
  do
• 5:36
  a
• 5:36
  lot
• 5:36
  of
• 5:36
  good,
• 5:36
  but
• 5:37
  there's
• 5:37
  stories
• 5:38
  that
• 5:38
  I've
• 5:38
  heard
• 5:38
  and
• 5:39
  experienced
• 5:39
  where
• 5:39
  they.
• 5:40
  Because
• 5:40
  you're
• 5:40
  sewing.
• 5:41
  You're
• 5:41
  supposed
• 5:41
  to
• 5:41
  be
• 5:41
  sewing
• 5:41
  into
• 5:42
  the
• 5:42
  lives
• 5:42
  of
• 5:42
  young
• 5:43
  minds.
• 5:43
  And
• 5:43
  sometimes
• 5:44
  that
• 5:44
  little
• 5:45
  one
• 5:45
  conversation
• 5:46
  of,
• 5:46
  no,
• 5:47
  this
• 5:47
  isn't
• 5:47
  for
• 5:47
  you
• 5:48
  can
• 5:48
  really
• 5:49
  change
• 5:49
  the
• 5:49
  course
• 5:50
  of
• 5:50
  someone's
• 5:50
  life,
• 5:52
  especially
• 5:52
  when
• 5:52
  it
• 5:53
  comes
• 5:53
  to
• 5:53
  the
• 5:53
  arts.
• 5:53
  I
• 5:53
  find
• 5:54
  that's
• 5:54
  a
• 5:54
  big
• 5:54
  thing.
• 5:55
  Arts,
• 5:56
  music,
• 5:58
  and
• 5:58
  hopefully
• 5:58
  it's
• 5:59
  changed
• 5:59
  more
• 5:59
  now.
• 5:59
  But
• 6:00
  I
• 6:00
  know
• 6:00
  that
• 6:00
  when
• 6:01
  I
• 6:01
  was
• 6:01
  growing
• 6:01
  up,
• 6:01
  you
• 6:01
  could
• 6:02
  really
• 6:02
  get
• 6:02
  discouraged
• 6:03
  from
• 6:03
  going
• 6:03
  down
• 6:04
  that
• 6:04
  path,
• 6:04
  and
• 6:04
  they
• 6:04
  would
• 6:04
  try
• 6:05
  and
• 6:05
  sort
• 6:05
  of
• 6:06
  put
• 6:06
  you
• 6:06
  into
• 6:06
  the.
• 6:07
  Into
• 6:07
  a
• 6:07
  box
• 6:08
  that
• 6:08
  seems
• 6:08
  like
• 6:08
  a
• 6:09
  more
• 6:09
  stable,
• 6:10
  predictable
• 6:11
  life
• 6:11
  for
• 6:12
  you.
• 6:12
  And
• 6:12
  I've
• 6:13
  heard
• 6:13
  so
• 6:13
  many
• 6:13
  stories,
• 6:14
  talking
• 6:14
  to
• 6:14
  musicians
• 6:15
  of
• 6:15
  those
• 6:15
  conversations
• 6:16
  where
• 6:16
  it's
• 6:16
  like,
• 6:17
  no,
• 6:17
  you
• 6:17
  don't
• 6:17
  want
• 6:17
  to
• 6:17
  do
• 6:17
  that.
• 6:18
  That's
• 6:18
  not.
• 6:18
  For
• 6:18
  you.
• 6:19
  Do
• 6:19
  this
• 6:20
  instead.
• 6:20
  And
• 6:22
  it's
• 6:22
  painful.
• 6:23
  It
• 6:23
  hurts.
• 6:23
  But
• 6:23
  I'm
• 6:23
  glad.
• 6:24
  It
• 6:24
  took
• 6:24
  a
• 6:25
  lot.
• 6:26
  It
• 6:26
  took
• 6:26
  a
• 6:26
  lot
• 6:26
  to
• 6:27
  kind
• 6:27
  of
• 6:27
  steer
• 6:27
  you
• 6:27
  back
• 6:28
  on
• 6:28
  course.
• 6:28
  And
• 6:29
  I
• 6:29
  guess
• 6:29
  we
• 6:29
  all
• 6:30
  have
• 6:30
  our
• 6:30
  own
• 6:30
  journey.
• 6:31
  Yours
• 6:31
  is,
• 6:32
  I
• 6:32
  don't
• 6:32
  know,
• 6:32
  of
• 6:32
  course,
• 6:33
  like
• 6:33
  an
• 6:33
  extreme
• 6:34
  version
• 6:34
  of
• 6:34
  it.
• 6:34
  Like
• 6:35
  it's.
• 6:36
  You
• 6:36
  were
• 6:36
  saying
• 6:37
  it's
• 6:37
  an
• 6:37
  extreme
• 6:37
  version.
• 6:38
  Of
• 6:38
  it,
• 6:38
  but
• 6:38
  it's
• 6:39
  like
• 6:39
  a
• 6:39
  high
• 6:40
  place.
• 6:41
  Yes,
• 6:42
  yes,
• 6:42
  indeed.
• 6:42
  I
• 6:43
  know.
• 6:43
  I
• 6:43
  know
• 6:44
  it's
• 6:44
  a.
• 6:44
  It's
• 6:45
  an
• 6:45
  extreme
• 6:45
  version,
• 6:45
  but.
• 6:46
  But
• 6:46
  it's
• 6:46
  all
• 6:47
  relative.
• 6:47
  You
• 6:47
  know
• 6:47
  that
• 6:48
  there's.
• 6:48
  I
• 6:48
  know
• 6:49
  that
• 6:49
  there's
• 6:49
  lots
• 6:49
  of
• 6:49
  other
• 6:50
  people
• 6:51
  go
• 6:51
  through.
• 6:52
  Well,
• 6:52
  pretty
• 6:53
  much
• 6:53
  all
• 6:53
  of
• 6:53
  us,
• 6:53
  you
• 6:54
  know,
• 6:54
  we
• 6:54
  all
• 6:54
  go
• 6:54
  through
• 6:54
  it
• 6:54
  in
• 6:55
  life,
• 6:55
  you
• 6:55
  know.
• 6:55
  In
• 6:55
  fact,
• 6:55
  I
• 6:55
  was
• 6:55
  having
• 6:56
  a
• 6:56
  conversation
• 6:56
  with
• 6:56
  a
• 6:56
  friend
• 6:57
  last
• 6:57
  night,
• 6:57
  and
• 6:58
  we
• 6:58
  were
• 6:58
  actually
• 6:58
  talking
• 6:58
  on
• 6:59
  the
• 6:59
  subject
• 7:00
  after
• 7:00
  saying
• 7:01
  how,
• 7:02
  you
• 7:02
  know,
• 7:02
  she
• 7:02
  said
• 7:02
  to
• 7:02
  me,
• 7:03
  you
• 7:03
  know,
• 7:03
  what.
• 7:04
  What.
• 7:04
  What
• 7:05
  do
• 7:05
  you
• 7:05
  think
• 7:05
  you
• 7:05
  know,
• 7:06
  your
• 7:06
  anxieties
• 7:07
  or
• 7:07
  issues
• 7:08
  or
• 7:08
  depression
• 7:09
  are
• 7:09
  caused
• 7:10
  by.
• 7:10
  In
• 7:10
  your
• 7:10
  life
• 7:11
  over
• 7:11
  the
• 7:11
  years.
• 7:11
  And
• 7:12
  I
• 7:12
  said,
• 7:12
  well,
• 7:12
  the
• 7:13
  teachers
• 7:13
  at
• 7:13
  school
• 7:14
  basically
• 7:14
  then
• 7:14
  that
• 7:14
  the
• 7:15
  irresponsibility
• 7:16
  of
• 7:16
  those
• 7:16
  adults,
• 7:16
  you
• 7:17
  know.
• 7:17
  And
• 7:17
  she
• 7:18
  said
• 7:18
  to
• 7:18
  me,
• 7:18
  you
• 7:18
  know
• 7:18
  what?
• 7:18
  It's
• 7:19
  the
• 7:19
  same
• 7:19
  with
• 7:19
  me
• 7:19
  as
• 7:19
  well,
• 7:20
  you
• 7:20
  know.
• 7:20
  You
• 7:21
  know
• 7:21
  that
• 7:21
  those
• 7:21
  things
• 7:22
  have
• 7:22
  stayed
• 7:22
  with
• 7:22
  me.
• 7:23
  It's
• 7:23
  like
• 7:23
  your
• 7:24
  blueprint
• 7:24
  for
• 7:24
  life,
• 7:25
  basically,
• 7:25
  those
• 7:26
  early
• 7:26
  years.
• 7:26
  And.
• 7:27
  And
• 7:27
  I
• 7:28
  think,
• 7:28
  I
• 7:29
  hope
• 7:29
  that
• 7:29
  it's
• 7:29
  better
• 7:29
  now.
• 7:30
  I
• 7:30
  hope
• 7:30
  it's
• 7:30
  improved.
• 7:31
  I
• 7:31
  hope
• 7:31
  that,
• 7:31
  you
• 7:32
  know,
• 7:32
  because
• 7:33
  it's
• 7:33
  just,
• 7:33
  you
• 7:34
  know,
• 7:34
  it
• 7:34
  is
• 7:34
  sad.
• 7:35
  But
• 7:35
  I
• 7:35
  know
• 7:35
  what
• 7:35
  you're
• 7:35
  saying
• 7:36
  about
• 7:36
  art
• 7:36
  and
• 7:36
  music
• 7:37
  as
• 7:37
  well.
• 7:37
  And
• 7:37
  I
• 7:37
  think
• 7:38
  everyone
• 7:38
  discourages
• 7:39
  you
• 7:39
  from
• 7:39
  doing
• 7:39
  art
• 7:40
  and
• 7:40
  music
• 7:40
  because
• 7:41
  it
• 7:41
  is
• 7:42
  pretty
• 7:42
  hard
• 7:42
  to
• 7:43
  make
• 7:43
  a
• 7:43
  living
• 7:44
  out
• 7:44
  of
• 7:44
  it,
• 7:44
  isn't
• 7:44
  it?
• 7:44
  You
• 7:44
  know.
• 7:45
  You
• 7:45
  know,
• 7:45
  to
• 7:45
  me
• 7:45
  it's
• 7:45
  like
• 7:46
  I
• 7:46
  envy
• 7:47
  people
• 7:47
  who,
• 7:48
  when
• 7:48
  I
• 7:48
  was
• 7:48
  working
• 7:49
  in
• 7:49
  on
• 7:49
  construction
• 7:50
  sites,
• 7:50
  yeah,
• 7:50
  I
• 7:51
  envied
• 7:51
  some
• 7:51
  of
• 7:51
  those
• 7:51
  guys
• 7:52
  because
• 7:52
  they
• 7:52
  were
• 7:52
  really
• 7:52
  skilled
• 7:53
  at
• 7:53
  their
• 7:53
  jobs.
• 7:53
  You
• 7:53
  get
• 7:54
  carpenters
• 7:55
  or
• 7:55
  plumbers
• 7:56
  and
• 7:56
  stuff,
• 7:56
  and
• 7:57
  they
• 7:57
  were
• 7:57
  making
• 7:57
  really
• 7:58
  good
• 7:58
  money,
• 7:58
  you
• 7:58
  know,
• 7:59
  plumbers
• 8:00
  especially.
• 8:00
  It's
• 8:00
  like,
• 8:01
  wow,
• 8:01
  you
• 8:01
  know,
• 8:02
  they'd
• 8:02
  make
• 8:03
  a,
• 8:03
  you
• 8:03
  know,
• 8:03
  a
• 8:04
  lot
• 8:04
  of
• 8:04
  money
• 8:04
  just
• 8:05
  to
• 8:05
  go
• 8:05
  and
• 8:05
  fit
• 8:05
  somebody's
• 8:06
  boiler,
• 8:06
  you
• 8:06
  know,
• 8:07
  for
• 8:08
  their
• 8:08
  bathroom
• 8:09
  or
• 8:09
  whatever,
• 8:09
  you
• 8:09
  know.
• 8:10
  That's
• 8:10
  incredible,
• 8:11
  man.
• 8:11
  You
• 8:11
  know,
• 8:12
  I'd
• 8:12
  be
• 8:12
  happy
• 8:13
  with
• 8:13
  that.
• 8:15
  But
• 8:16
  with
• 8:16
  art
• 8:16
  and
• 8:16
  music,
• 8:17
  it's
• 8:17
  never
• 8:17
  that
• 8:18
  clear
• 8:18
  cut,
• 8:18
  is
• 8:18
  it?
• 8:18
  You
• 8:19
  know.
• 8:19
  Right.
• 8:19
  Yeah.
• 8:20
  It
• 8:20
  seems
• 8:21
  to
• 8:21
  be
• 8:21
  like,
• 8:21
  you
• 8:21
  know,
• 8:22
  there's
• 8:23
  a
• 8:23
  small
• 8:23
  majority
• 8:24
  of
• 8:24
  people
• 8:24
  who
• 8:24
  make
• 8:25
  an
• 8:25
  awful
• 8:26
  lot
• 8:26
  of
• 8:26
  money
• 8:26
  out
• 8:27
  of
• 8:27
  music.
• 8:28
  Then
• 8:29
  the
• 8:29
  rest
• 8:29
  of
• 8:29
  us,
• 8:30
  we
• 8:30
  have
• 8:30
  to
• 8:30
  struggle
• 8:30
  by.