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Credlin | 3 July · Credlin

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Speaker 1: Peter Kuenland live on Skynings Australia.
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Speaker 2: Good evening, Welcome to Credlin steep Price in the chair
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Speaker 2: again for Peter tonight. Now here's what's coming up on
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Speaker 2: the program. It's a vext question that took horrific allegations
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Speaker 2: of child abuse in a Victorian childcare centers to ask
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Speaker 2: is there any place for men working in this industry?
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Speaker 2: I'll have more to say on that shortly. Also tonight.
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Speaker 2: It took our American allies snubbing the PM and a
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Speaker 2: demand for US to spend more on defense. But guess
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Speaker 2: what the Governor's confirmed are more than two billion dollar
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Speaker 2: order for brand spanking new missiles. I'll talk to my
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Speaker 2: panel about that as well. Sophie Ellsworth joins us in
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Speaker 2: London on the latest revelations from Princess Kate on her
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Speaker 2: cancer battle. It's very powerful stuff. Plus Polster CAUs Samarus.
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Speaker 2: He's done some research seeming to confirm what for me
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Speaker 2: is the bleeding obvious younger voters have turned their back
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Speaker 2: on the coalition. Talked to Cause about that as well.
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Speaker 2: But first, a simple question for me on a very
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Speaker 2: complex issue, why has it taken the sickening allegations of
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Speaker 2: child sexual abuse by a man accused of seventy depraved offenses.
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Speaker 2: Why has it taken the need for twelve hundred children
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Speaker 2: to be tested for sexually transmitted diseases for this country
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Speaker 2: to now and only now start asking questions about some
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Speaker 2: of the things that go on in some of these
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Speaker 2: places where parents pay to have their children cared for
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Speaker 2: while they go to work. We had a royal commission
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Speaker 2: and it appears nothing came from it. Look, I know this,
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Speaker 2: that hindsight is a wonderful thing. But as this Victorian
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Speaker 2: horror show plays out, parent after parent has come forward
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Speaker 2: revealing concerns raised by them to some of these places
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Speaker 2: that went ignored and under investigated, brushed under the carpet.
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Speaker 2: And yet here we have Education Minister Jason Clare, who
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Speaker 2: I am sure is as appalled, honestly appalled at these
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Speaker 2: incidents anyone else. He does seem genuinely angry, But I'm
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Speaker 2: not actually sure what system he's talking about when he
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Speaker 2: says this he's talking about Is it the system of
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Speaker 2: background checks in staff working in these places, because as
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Speaker 2: we have learned, that's just a bit of paper with
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Speaker 2: minimal attention paid to be called a working with child permit.
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Speaker 2: If you have no police record, that's not picking you
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Speaker 2: up at all. Is Jason Clair talking about they're not
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Speaker 2: being enough staff as a system failure, or the fact
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Speaker 2: that many of these early childhood educators are paid to
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Speaker 2: pittance and the industry offer attracts last chance saloon workers
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Speaker 2: who can't get other work in education in the education system. Look,
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Speaker 2: we need to be careful rushing to judgment here about
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Speaker 2: any of this. As horrific as it might be, I
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Speaker 2: tell you what it reminds me. It reminds me of
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Speaker 2: the debate we have around elder abuse in age care. Now,
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Speaker 2: you will always have bad people who do really bad things.
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Speaker 2: But what makes this so much worse is the age
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Speaker 2: of the alleged victims, some of them babies, little toddlers,
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Speaker 2: defenseless victims, some before they can even speak. And again,
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Speaker 2: like age care, this industry is a mix of privately
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Speaker 2: owned and publicly government run childcare. Now, I'm sure there
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Speaker 2: are plenty of great private childcare centers that do marvelous work,
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Speaker 2: and any parents and grandparents watching this would probably agree. However, However,
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Speaker 2: there is good money to be made in running a
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Speaker 2: business that is desperately short of places, so you can
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Speaker 2: charge a premium. Profits can be maximized by hiring cheaply
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Speaker 2: and keeping staff to a minimum and down playing complaints
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Speaker 2: from parents. I mean, the explosion of solutions today goes everywhere,
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Speaker 2: from covering centers with CCTV cameras, to banning personal use
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Speaker 2: of mobile phones, to even talk, as I said, of
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Speaker 2: banning males from working in these daycare centers. This was
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Speaker 2: the comment from the Luise Edmonds. She's from a survivor
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Speaker 2: group and she seemed to be suggesting the male ban.
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Speaker 3: My comment is all men should be bad and in
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Speaker 3: the intimate spaces of childcare centers, and that includes the
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Speaker 3: change room, the toilets and also the sleep quarters. If
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Speaker 3: we're in the immediate measures actually move men out of
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Speaker 3: those intimate spaces. That is one area to bring calm
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Speaker 3: and to bring security to children, but also security and
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Speaker 3: calm to parents.
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Speaker 2: Well, that was an idea that the minister didn't seem
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Speaker 2: very keen on.
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Speaker 4: I don't think that's going to be the solution. Here,
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Speaker 4: have a look at the Four Corners expose from earlier
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Speaker 4: this year that Adel Ferguson led on. You know that
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Speaker 4: showed abuse in our childcare centers and neglecting our centers,
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Speaker 4: and they weren't blokes.
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Speaker 2: Look in the immediate aftermath, the answer to the banning
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Speaker 2: question would seem to be yes. But we all know
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Speaker 2: young men I do who are great with toddlers and
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Speaker 2: with babies. And it's an industry that already has an
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Speaker 2: issue with sufficient staff numbers, so they need more people.
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Speaker 1: I mean.
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Speaker 2: Talking to a series of women today, some make the
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Speaker 2: point that a lot of younger toddler boy already lack
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Speaker 2: of father figure at home and would blossom with interaction
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Speaker 2: with a male. But as I said, how desperately sad
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Speaker 2: it is that it took the alleged actions of a
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Speaker 2: depraved person to drag us into even having this conversation.
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Speaker 2: It's head to Camber now. Tonight's political headlines. Sky News
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Speaker 2: political reporter Rubensbager.
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Speaker 5: Australia is struggling to gain any traction with Donald Trump
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Speaker 5: on tariff relief. This is despite the Foreign Minister restating
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Speaker 5: the case in Washington. Speaking to Sky News, Penny Wong
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Speaker 5: insists the relationship between the two countries has a bright future.
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Speaker 5: Under the President.
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Speaker 6: We are better in the alliance, we are stronger in
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Speaker 6: the Alliance and that we are pulling our weight in
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Speaker 6: the alliance and we will continue to demonstrate that.
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Speaker 5: That's yet to translate to a face to face meeting
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Speaker 5: between the Prime Minister and President any more details.
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Speaker 6: The Prime Minister said, you know, we're obviously very flexible
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Speaker 6: about those arrangements. President is a very very busy man.
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Speaker 5: Tariff negotiations are ongoing. Talk of leveraging Australia's critical minerals
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Speaker 5: as part of a quid pro quo is yet to
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Speaker 5: prove persuasive. It hasn't stopped the Trump administration pushing Australia
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Speaker 5: and other countries to mine, refine and share these resources.
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Speaker 1: But what are they?
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Speaker 5: They're the building blocks of modern technology, essential materials used
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Speaker 5: in smartphones and military equipment. These minerals are buried across
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Speaker 5: the country, from Western Australia's lithium mines near green Bush's
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Speaker 5: and Cowgooli to Rare Earth's projects in the Northern Territory
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Speaker 5: in Queensland. They're vital not only for economic growth, but
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Speaker 5: for supporting global efforts to reduce dependence on dominant players
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Speaker 5: like China. For Australia, the challenge and opportunity is clear
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Speaker 5: leverage its mineral wealth not just for exports, but to
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Speaker 5: play a strategic role in reshaping global supply chains. US
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Speaker 5: pharmaceutical manufacturers are pressuring Donald Trump to act against Australia
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Speaker 5: over its federal medication subsidy scheme. Farmer is urging the
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Speaker 5: President to leverage ongoing trade negotiations to combat practices that
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Speaker 5: force Americans to pay more. The powerful lobby is accusing
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Speaker 5: Australia of short changing US drug developers for their products.
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Speaker 5: The ninety day tariff pause is in effect until two
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Speaker 5: pm next Wednesday.
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Speaker 2: Good on your reven Thanks for that now, all right,
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Speaker 2: plenty to get across tonight. Joining me on the desk,
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Speaker 2: Deputy executive director at the Institute of Public Affairs Daniel
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Speaker 2: Wilde and broadcaster Cara Lee Katsimbanas.
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Speaker 1: Welcome to you both.
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Speaker 2: I want to stick with this push from at least
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Speaker 2: one advocate to effectively ban men from working in childcare centers.
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Speaker 2: Cara's it's been a very emotional two days with what
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Speaker 2: we're seeing here. I mean, it's almost horrendous to talk about.
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Speaker 2: I mean I didn't raise it on Credlin the first
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Speaker 2: two days because it's just so horrendous. But is banning
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Speaker 2: males an answer here?
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Speaker 7: It's horrific. Look, Steve, you can't you can't ban males.
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Speaker 7: I mean we're going to get to a situation in
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Speaker 7: all workplaces where a man will stand up and say
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Speaker 7: I apologize for being a man. That's not the answer.
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Speaker 7: We've got various advocacy groups today that have come out
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Speaker 7: to say that banning men is not the answer. This
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Speaker 7: is a small minority. The real problem is the system.
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Speaker 7: Now credit to Victoria, it wants to have its own
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Speaker 7: register and a national register, but we know that there
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Speaker 7: are problems with the working with children checks because while
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Speaker 7: it's a national police clearance, it's administered by the states.
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Speaker 7: I feel it really needs to be.
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Speaker 1: A real time record.
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Speaker 7: Get a paper, well, you get a bit of paper,
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Speaker 7: but always but also people are very mobile. You could
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Speaker 7: get someone that has, you know, things pending in Victoria
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Speaker 7: that go up to New South Wales or down to
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Speaker 7: Adelaide or across the another.
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Speaker 2: Boar, I mean, anyone who has pedophile instincts. Absolutely, they're
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Speaker 2: rock spiders and clever. They'll get it around that.
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Speaker 7: Of course, of course they'll get around it. But I
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Speaker 7: also think it is incredibly important and I have to
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Speaker 7: say I feel very sorry for men today that are
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Speaker 7: either studying primary or secondary school teaching or even childcare educating,
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Speaker 7: because the weight of the world would be on their
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Speaker 7: shoulders for no reason. For we need good, positive male
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Speaker 7: role models.
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Speaker 2: And we had a real commission into child care. I
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Speaker 2: mean I made the link there, which I think is
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Speaker 2: a fair link. We had this conversation when we're talking
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Speaker 2: about elder abuse and age care. I mean, it's the
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Speaker 2: same thing. You get people in there who do bad.
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Speaker 8: Things, it is, and unfortunately, I mean, this is almost
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Speaker 8: too sad to talk about really, but unfortunately this is
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Speaker 8: only the tip of the iceberg. I mean, I think
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Speaker 8: a lot more is going to be uncovered. We saw
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Speaker 8: many incidents in New South Wales which weren't just men,
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Speaker 8: they were women. When we're with these advocates saying well,
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Speaker 8: we should have no women providers of childcare. So I
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Speaker 8: don't think the childcare sector will ever be the same again.
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Speaker 8: It is permanently lost trust, I can guarantee you, and
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Speaker 8: I say this is a father of two young daughters
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Speaker 8: that every single parent now is thinking twice, thinking twice
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Speaker 8: about sending their child to a childcare facility on the
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Speaker 8: issue of man. Well, my view is the same as
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Speaker 8: Christy McVeigh who was quoted today in the papers. She's
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Speaker 8: a former child abuse detective and she said quite rilely
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Speaker 8: that banning male educators is a reaction, not a solution,
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Speaker 8: and it is not gender that creates a predator. It
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Speaker 8: is secrecy, unchecked power that is the cause of that night.
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Speaker 8: That's my view and I think the view of most Australians.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I thought the minister handled it pretty well. I mean,
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Speaker 2: you can't be anything but angry about this. I mean
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Speaker 2: there was a bit of faux anger but there at
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Speaker 2: the start, but I think he handled it pretty well.
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Speaker 2: Speaking ministers the public service, Daniel, I mean those figures
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Speaker 2: that the Australian has dug out and under labor Australian
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Speaker 2: has done a very good analysis shows bureaucracy set to
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Speaker 2: expand by two hundred and thirteen thousand staff over the
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Speaker 2: next years. What did two hundred and thirteen thousand federal
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Speaker 2: public servants do? Because we're not talking here about nurses
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Speaker 2: and police, we're talking about federal public servants.
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Speaker 8: You're talking about Canberra paper pushes. Well, there's a couple
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Speaker 8: of things. The first thing I wonder why our economy
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Speaker 8: is in the toilet when you've got these many people
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Speaker 8: that are working in camera pushing paper around. We did
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Speaker 8: some analysis a couple of months ago that showed actually
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Speaker 8: there's about one hundred and seven thousand of these public
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Speaker 8: servants that are dedicated to the creation and enforcement of
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Speaker 8: regulation and red tape alone. So these are people sitting
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Speaker 8: in canbra that are telling businesses what they can and
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Speaker 8: cannot do. Then you've got Jim Chalmers that's given his
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Speaker 8: big speech. The only idea he has about productivity is
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Speaker 8: to have another drum circle Kumbai talk fest with people
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Speaker 8: that have never employed anyone in their life. So look,
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Speaker 8: the number one cause of the declining productivity is to
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Speaker 8: do with all of this regulation, red tape, declining business investment.
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Speaker 8: And I think this is just another example of that.
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Speaker 2: I think we've got some of these numbers for you
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Speaker 2: to to have a look at, put them up on
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Speaker 2: the screen. But it is just extraordinary when you look
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Speaker 2: at that. You know, look at the sectors and look
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Speaker 2: at the numbers attached to them, and then we're getting
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Speaker 2: better service carelly because of those numbers.
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Speaker 7: Definitely not there's more people working their Bureau of meteorology,
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Speaker 7: than there are the administrative, few tribunal you know, and
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Speaker 7: in the courts as well. All I can think of
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Speaker 7: is the Weather Bureau still don't get it right. And
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Speaker 7: perhaps they've got all these, as you say, camera paper
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Speaker 7: pushes to perhaps do the climate change narrative and change
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Speaker 7: all the all the climate records to suit what labor
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Speaker 7: wanted at the time.
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Speaker 2: I tell you what, Danniel, if you were thinking about
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Speaker 2: opening a business like a cafe or a hospitality business,
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Speaker 2: you do it in Canberra. I mean.
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Speaker 1: Like town got a wall around it.
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Speaker 2: Everyone there has got a job and they're all well paid.
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Speaker 2: They're all got super being paid by the tax payer.
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Speaker 8: And they've got safe jobs as well.
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Speaker 9: So look, the.
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Speaker 2: Only Donald Trump said drain the swamp. The only maybe
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Speaker 2: Susan Lee needs to do a bit of plumbing.
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Speaker 5: Maybe nothing.
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Speaker 8: But the only industry growing in Australia is red tape.
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Speaker 8: You know, you ge red tape is Australia's biggest industry
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Speaker 8: by far, and it's getting much bigger as this in
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Speaker 8: Alisa's shows.
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Speaker 2: We even saw in Victoria this week horrendous numbers of
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Speaker 2: businesses that have gone out of business because they can't
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Speaker 2: cope with added taxas, levies and red tape. I mean
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Speaker 2: it makes it hard. Is the hardest place to run
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Speaker 2: a business anywhere in the country.
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Speaker 7: Well, it's also the hardest place for people to want
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Speaker 7: to build a house or you know, or create some
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Speaker 7: kind of incentive for people to be able to rent properties,
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Speaker 7: because we are, you know, Victoria is well below the
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Speaker 7: national average. But not only that, it's not attractive investment
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Speaker 7: for either a business or for somebody to want to
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Speaker 7: be a landlord. The rules are always changing. We've seen,
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Speaker 7: you know, with the gas crisis. We've seen this winter.
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Speaker 7: People that are you know, that own a home, you
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Speaker 7: can actually now use a gas heater, but if you're
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Speaker 7: a landlord you have to go electric. There are too
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Speaker 7: many rules and regulations. And I think that until federal
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Speaker 7: and state labor governments give credit to private investors providing
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Speaker 7: a roof over the head of people to rent and
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Speaker 7: actually make it more attractive and actually do that, then
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Speaker 7: Victoria will just can keep on going backwards.
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Speaker 2: Daniel, Incredibly, I keep thinking about this. The election was
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Speaker 2: on third of May. Yeah, Parliament isn't sad yet. I
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Speaker 2: think it's still a couple of weeks away.
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Speaker 8: Well, that's not a bad thing that they're not passing
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Speaker 8: bad laws.
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Speaker 1: They're not passing them.
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Speaker 8: I'll be happy they're not said all year to be honest.
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Speaker 2: Well, when they go back, the Greens are going to
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Speaker 2: have tremendous power in the Senate. I mean, if you
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Speaker 2: add the Labour senators and the Green Senators, you can
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Speaker 2: just wave through any legislation. So now the Greens have
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Speaker 2: got I never even knew they had one, a shadow
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Speaker 2: treasurer who's now coming up with figures on how to
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Speaker 2: take money out of people's superannuation. Once the Greens start
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Speaker 2: doing calculations on how to get money out of your pocket,
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Speaker 2: that's when we're all in trouble. But Labor might have
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Speaker 2: to deal with them. This is the three million dollar
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Speaker 2: super tax. They're going to tax unrealized profits, and they're
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Speaker 2: going to take the tax from fifteen percent to thirty percent.
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Speaker 2: Greens have come up and said, hang on, why don't
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Speaker 2: we go into everyone's superannuation and raise raise the tax
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Speaker 2: on the profits of everybody super from fifteen percent to
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Speaker 2: twenty Great. We we're all told to put money into
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Speaker 2: superannuation because it's the most attactive, tax effective way to
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Speaker 2: save your money.
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Speaker 8: Well, that's right, and this is the problem is the
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Speaker 8: retrospective nature of it, which is okay, if we want
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Speaker 8: to have a debate about superannuation the taxes that apply,
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Speaker 8: we can do that, but it should only apply to
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Speaker 8: money that's going in there from now on. But as
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Speaker 8: you say, people put money into super year after year
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Speaker 8: for decades on and and the idea is to take
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Speaker 8: the pressure off social services, off the pension system, and
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Speaker 8: then you have lazy politicians that use it as a
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Speaker 8: tax grab. I will tell you what was interesting is
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Speaker 8: that the Green said that they're not in favor of
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Speaker 8: the unrealized component. And I think that what that shows
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Speaker 8: is that it's the Greens who are the party of
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Speaker 8: the rich, because it's the wealthy the most affected by it.
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Speaker 8: That but this is a real thing that's been happening,
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Speaker 8: is it's mostly wealthier people that are now likely to
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Speaker 8: vote Green than those who vote Liberal or Labor.
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Speaker 7: And I think this reveals that I was going to say,
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Speaker 7: he's a novel idea. You've got left wing labor, left
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Speaker 7: wing Greens. Forget any idea.
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Speaker 10: That they've got.
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Speaker 7: We've got the system already in place. Fifteen percent, As
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Speaker 7: you say, people have paid them for the.
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Speaker 2: Last thirty thirty five years.
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Speaker 7: Bill Kelty former ac twou selling with manners as well.
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Speaker 7: When those three are arking up about it, you know
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Speaker 7: that they're on the right thing. Leave it as it is.
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Speaker 7: You're not giving people confidence in the system.
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Speaker 1: I get a.
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Speaker 2: Sense that Charmers is not for turning. Thank you both
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Speaker 2: for coming and I appreciate it very much. Daniel and Caroly,
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Speaker 2: thank you. Talking about politics well, Moving on, the Federal
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Speaker 2: Arts Minister Tony Burke has in the last twenty four
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Speaker 2: hours backed Creative Australia. Now they made a decision to
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Speaker 2: reinstate a controversial artist who created work which featured a
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Speaker 2: Hezbala leader and reference the nine to eleven terror attacks.
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Speaker 1: Now an independent.
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Speaker 2: Review has found there had been quote missteps in the
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Speaker 2: earlier cancelation of appointments for the artist kayled sab Sabi
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Speaker 2: and curator Michael Dagostino, who are now likely to head
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Speaker 2: off to the Venice B Andali.
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Speaker 1: And represent Australia.
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Speaker 2: At one point our B and Aali platform there was
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Speaker 2: going to be completely dark during that actual exhibition. Now,
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Speaker 2: Opposition art spokesman and Shadow Attorneys General Julian Lessa has
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Speaker 2: slammed the backflip. He's called it damaging to Australia's national values,
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Speaker 2: social cohesion and global reputation. I must say I tend
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Speaker 2: to agree with him, he joins me. Now, Julian, welcome,
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Speaker 2: thanks for joining us on this Thursday night. Now Tony
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Speaker 2: Burker addressed this issue. He is asked about it where
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Speaker 2: else but on the ABC. Here's a little bit of
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Speaker 2: what the Arts Minister had to say.
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Speaker 11: I don't put myself out there as an art critic.
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Speaker 11: But when the criticism that was done at the time
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Speaker 11: said these were not pro terrorist works, and the artist
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Speaker 11: himself says there is nothing in this that's meant to
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Speaker 11: in any way endorse terrorism, then I don't think politicians
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Speaker 11: can say, well, you're all wrong and it is.
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Speaker 2: Well, at least Julian, he admits he's not an art critic,
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Speaker 2: but the minister says these were not pro terrorist works.
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Speaker 1: Is he right?
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Speaker 12: Well, the Minister was shocked by these works back in February,
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Speaker 12: and when you look at the works we're talking about,
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Speaker 12: we're talking about a picture of Hasraun Israela, the leader
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Speaker 12: of Hesbalah, an organization that we list as a terrorist
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Speaker 12: organization in this country. The picture of mister inn Israela
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Speaker 12: is based in light. You've got another video that is
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Speaker 12: a video of the nine to eleven terror attacks with
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Speaker 12: George W. Bush at the end saying thank you very much.
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Speaker 12: I've seen subsequently other works that mister Subsabi has produced,
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Speaker 12: including works of flags of terrorist organizations. He has some
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Speaker 12: form in this regard, and I think these works are shocking.
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Speaker 12: I think what mister Burke looked at and said in
18:40
Speaker 12: February reflected the views of reasonable Australians who'd be looking
18:44
Speaker 12: at these works, and I think their decision to reinstate
18:47
Speaker 12: mister Subsabi is wrong.
18:51
Speaker 2: As someone who is the shadow Arts Minister, what do
18:55
Speaker 2: you think's gone on in the background here? I mean,
18:57
Speaker 2: I can guess, but I'd like to hear from you,
19:00
Speaker 2: Julian Well.
19:01
Speaker 12: I think there's a question for Tony Burke to explain here.
19:05
Speaker 12: I mean, how back in February could he and the
19:07
Speaker 12: Board of Creative Australia say and the CEO of Creative
19:11
Speaker 12: Australia say that we should remove the commission of mister
19:16
Speaker 12: Subsabi because they were shocked by these works that have
19:20
Speaker 12: been presented to them, and then subsequently say that he
19:24
Speaker 12: should be reinstated. They've got a report into the way
19:27
Speaker 12: in which they'd made decisions, but nothing in that report
19:31
Speaker 12: says that mister Subsabi should be reinstated. That was not
19:34
Speaker 12: the recommendation of that report. But somehow he's been reinstated.
19:38
Speaker 12: And I think mister Burke and Creative Australia have lots
19:40
Speaker 12: of questions to answer.
19:43
Speaker 2: I mean, we always get arguments from the arts industry
19:46
Speaker 2: and from the left that you know, art should be
19:49
Speaker 2: able to portray events as they see them. But in
19:53
Speaker 2: this current climate, I mean you can see how people,
19:56
Speaker 2: including yourself, including myself, and including Tony Burke originally would
20:01
Speaker 2: be upset with portrayal of such figures in that way
20:05
Speaker 2: at an event which is the biggest, Benali, biggest art
20:09
Speaker 2: function in the world, with Australia's name plases across the
20:12
Speaker 2: top of it.
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Speaker 12: Well, that's exactly right, Steve. This is the Olympics of
20:15
Speaker 12: contemporary art. The problem here isn't that mister Subsabi has
20:19
Speaker 12: produced this artwork. He's an artist. He has the right
20:22
Speaker 12: to produce whatever work he likes as long as it
20:25
Speaker 12: doesn't breach the law. But the problem here is that
20:28
Speaker 12: he is being held out as Australia's representative to the world.
20:32
Speaker 12: There will be thousands of people that will see the
20:35
Speaker 12: artwork that he produces. There'll be millions of people who
20:38
Speaker 12: will see media reports of the artwork that he produces
20:41
Speaker 12: around the world. And he's been given taxpayer funding to
20:45
Speaker 12: do this and being held out as Australia's representative. One
20:48
Speaker 12: of the things that was most critical about the report
20:52
Speaker 12: that Creative Australia received was that it was drawn to
20:55
Speaker 12: their attention that they have a responsibility to taxpayers, they
20:59
Speaker 12: have a responsibilit to the broad Australian community and they
21:02
Speaker 12: have to balance that against their responsibilities in relation to
21:05
Speaker 12: the promotion of art work. And I think the decision
21:08
Speaker 12: that they made in February got that balance right. And
21:11
Speaker 12: I don't understand why they've revoked that decision yesterday.
21:15
Speaker 1: Yes, they need to come out and explain it. I
21:17
Speaker 1: think just for you go and look.
21:18
Speaker 2: I know you're the father of two young children and
21:22
Speaker 2: I don't intend to ask you about the status of
21:24
Speaker 2: their childcare. But what do you make of this debate today,
21:28
Speaker 2: after this shocking story emerged in Victoria this week, This
21:31
Speaker 2: debate today that we need to suddenly change everything. I
21:35
Speaker 2: did make the point at the start of the program
21:37
Speaker 2: that you know, it's all good and well for the
21:39
Speaker 2: minister to say, oh, well, we've got to crack down,
21:41
Speaker 2: We've got to change things. It shouldn't take an event
21:44
Speaker 2: like we've seen these horrible allegations for people to be
21:49
Speaker 2: talking about how childcare should be run and who's working
21:52
Speaker 2: in it should.
21:53
Speaker 12: It well, we obviously need much more stringent requirements around
21:57
Speaker 12: who gets to work in childcare, and that means proper
22:00
Speaker 12: stringent testing, because, like you, Steve, I was absolutely disgusted
22:05
Speaker 12: by these reports and these allegations that have been made.
22:08
Speaker 12: And to think that an individual was able to go
22:11
Speaker 12: across a whole range of childcare centers and commit these crimes,
22:15
Speaker 12: in allegedly commit these crimes across Victoria, it would send
22:20
Speaker 12: a chill down every parent to who's got their child
22:23
Speaker 12: in childcare, because when parents take their children to childcare,
22:27
Speaker 12: they expect that this is one place that they'll be safe,
22:30
Speaker 12: and so we need to make sure that we've got
22:31
Speaker 12: measures in place to help strengthen the ability to guarantee that,
22:36
Speaker 12: and that's important for all of our families.
22:40
Speaker 2: There's been some calls that males not be permitted to
22:43
Speaker 2: work in childcare.
22:44
Speaker 1: What's your view on that, do you have one.
22:45
Speaker 12: I don't think we should ban men from working in childcare,
22:48
Speaker 12: but I do think we're need to be much more
22:49
Speaker 12: stringent about who we allow to work in childcare and
22:53
Speaker 12: the questions that we're asking people who go to work
22:55
Speaker 12: in childcare.
22:57
Speaker 2: Absolutely, and anyone can get a working with job, don't
23:00
Speaker 2: have to have a criminal record.
23:02
Speaker 1: Julian Lessa, thank you very much for joining us.
23:04
Speaker 12: Thanks Steve.
23:07
Speaker 1: Now coming up after the break.
23:08
Speaker 2: It might come as no surprise to anybody that the
23:10
Speaker 2: Coalition has a problem with younger voters. So what could
23:14
Speaker 2: be actually done to fix it? And is there any
23:17
Speaker 2: path for them back to power without the youngsters.
23:21
Speaker 1: Voting for them?
23:21
Speaker 2: Plus a lot of suggestions on how to reform the
23:24
Speaker 2: childcare sector, which we've been talking about at the top
23:27
Speaker 2: of the program, But what might actually work. I'll speak
23:30
Speaker 2: to someone who is an actual expert. Shortly, welcome back
23:36
Speaker 2: to price In for Peter Credlin. All this week now
23:39
Speaker 2: still to come live to London, will go and speak
23:42
Speaker 2: with Sophie Ellsworth. Princess Kate has opened up overnight about
23:46
Speaker 2: her cancer battle and it's really heart wrenching what's happened
23:51
Speaker 2: to her. But first up, one of the first big
23:53
Speaker 2: polls to come out since the federal election and Susan
23:56
Speaker 2: Lee becoming Liberal leader. It's come out overnight, Red Brick,
24:00
Speaker 2: You've done it. Look, I don't think it will surprise
24:02
Speaker 2: too many people to say the coalition is in real trouble.
24:05
Speaker 2: Labor leads the coalition on a two party preferred basis
24:09
Speaker 2: by fifty five point five to forty five point five.
24:12
Speaker 2: That's about statistically the same as the election result. Now
24:16
Speaker 2: we're the coalition that was really struggling, as I mentioned,
24:18
Speaker 2: is younger voters. We're just nineteen percent of eighteen to
24:23
Speaker 2: thirty four year olds nineteen percent that is supporting the coalition,
24:27
Speaker 2: and that figure does not get that much better among
24:30
Speaker 2: thirty five to forty nine year olds. Joining me now,
24:32
Speaker 2: director of Redbridge Group who conducted that pollos I said,
24:35
Speaker 2: because Samariskau's good to see you, I would have to say,
24:40
Speaker 2: I mean, hasn't this always been the case. I mean,
24:44
Speaker 2: you know how old I am. I reckon at eighteen,
24:47
Speaker 2: I could have I voted in nineteen seventy three, first
24:49
Speaker 2: time I could vote for Labour's South Australian Premier, Don
24:52
Speaker 2: Dunstan And I'm pretty sure I've voted for Gough Whitlam
24:56
Speaker 2: as a nineteen year old in nineteen seventy four. And
25:00
Speaker 2: I hate to admit this on Live TV because I
25:02
Speaker 2: actually once voted for the Greens.
25:04
Speaker 1: I don't know why.
25:06
Speaker 2: But don't you change as you get older.
25:10
Speaker 9: Your generation and my generation. The answer is yes to
25:14
Speaker 9: a certain extent, to become more considered as we get older.
25:18
Speaker 9: The long form analysis and that he's amongst the Australians
25:22
Speaker 9: now aged in their low forties, for example, we've been
25:25
Speaker 9: following them now for a number of years.
25:27
Speaker 1: That's not happening.
25:28
Speaker 9: And we know that that's more cute when we're dealing
25:32
Speaker 9: with gen Z that he's people born largely before nineteen
25:36
Speaker 9: ninety so after nineteen ninety four, and they are really
25:40
Speaker 9: bad use for the Coalition.
25:44
Speaker 2: I mean, that's a disaster for the coalition. I mean,
25:47
Speaker 2: you know when I make that point about younger, I
25:49
Speaker 2: mean I'm really as you said, because talking with our generation,
25:52
Speaker 2: probably eighteen to when you first get a job, and
25:55
Speaker 2: then by the time you get to twenty five and
25:57
Speaker 2: you might be thinking in the good old days you
25:59
Speaker 2: could be thinking about buying a house. You suddenly changed
26:02
Speaker 2: your way of thinking. Some people did. Labour holds sixty
26:05
Speaker 2: eight percent to party preferred vote with gen Z.
26:08
Speaker 1: Now, what's what do the Liberals do? Cause?
26:11
Speaker 2: I mean, how if you're advising them and you know
26:14
Speaker 2: what would you be saying to Susan Lee, You're not
26:17
Speaker 2: going to just go out and do TikTok videos? I
26:20
Speaker 2: hope how do you? How do you change it? Or
26:21
Speaker 2: can't you?
26:23
Speaker 1: Well they can.
26:24
Speaker 9: I mean a lot of these younger Australians are also
26:27
Speaker 9: Australians that you know, we define as diverse astrains, people
26:30
Speaker 9: from the Indian diaspora and the Chinese ouspor who are
26:33
Speaker 9: wealth accumulators, small business people, lots of tradees in amongst
26:37
Speaker 9: this generation that we're talking about.
26:40
Speaker 2: So there is a story there to be told.
26:42
Speaker 9: It's just they're not they're not pitching a small business,
26:46
Speaker 9: small ol liberal narrative to this emerging generation. And you know,
26:51
Speaker 9: there'll be seven hundred and fifty thousand gen Z that
26:54
Speaker 9: will rolled to vote from from now to the to
26:57
Speaker 9: the next election. So they need to get the skates on. Yeah.
27:02
Speaker 2: I remember during the campaign you were saying that baby
27:05
Speaker 2: boomers and our influences on the decline and these younger
27:09
Speaker 2: generations and now starting to take over. And that's exactly
27:13
Speaker 2: what's happened. So I know it's dangerous to compare Australian
27:16
Speaker 2: politics with the US politics, but Donald Trump seems to
27:19
Speaker 2: have been able to cross this rubicon and get younger
27:24
Speaker 2: people to vote for the Republicans. Is there any comparison
27:28
Speaker 2: between the two countries that you can see. I mean,
27:29
Speaker 2: we don't have a Donald Trump, clearly.
27:32
Speaker 9: That's the number one thing I'll take out of it.
27:35
Speaker 9: So the thing about young people in the US is
27:37
Speaker 9: that they're still very empty establishment. So Donald Trump is
27:40
Speaker 9: exactly the type of person that are portion of them
27:46
Speaker 9: fine appealing. In Australia, fifty percent of those are between
27:50
Speaker 9: the ages of eighteen and thirty four voted for minor
27:53
Speaker 9: parts at this election. Fifty So they are looking for
27:56
Speaker 9: an alternative, they're just not finding one to call less
27:59
Speaker 9: than a very big numbers. So in a way, what
28:03
Speaker 9: Trump's doing is he's basically providing an anti establishment offering
28:08
Speaker 9: that doesn't exist in this country. So in this country
28:11
Speaker 9: they end up on the Greens, minor parties, independence and
28:13
Speaker 9: so on, and then through preferences obviously favor labor in
28:16
Speaker 9: a very big way.
28:20
Speaker 2: Yeah, and that's going to be very difficult to change.
28:22
Speaker 2: I mean, as you say, the preference. You know, if
28:24
Speaker 2: you decided not to vote Liberal and you're in the
28:27
Speaker 2: seat of Kuyong and you're voted for Menique Ryan, the
28:30
Speaker 2: preference flow from that isn't just lumping itself over to
28:34
Speaker 2: the coalition.
28:35
Speaker 1: Is it.
28:35
Speaker 2: It's shattering all over the place. And you know, it
28:38
Speaker 2: was a miracle actually that Goldstein was actually able to
28:42
Speaker 2: be won by the coalition. That was the one miracle
28:44
Speaker 2: for them out of the election. But you're not going
28:46
Speaker 2: to knock these tials off very easily. They're now cemented
28:50
Speaker 2: in there, aren't they.
28:51
Speaker 9: Yeah, if you look at their vote, like Couyon, for example,
28:55
Speaker 9: the overwhelming number of people that did vote for Minik
28:58
Speaker 9: Ryan are the very that we're talking about, largely under
29:02
Speaker 9: the age of fifty, with a university degree, largely renting,
29:07
Speaker 9: and so there are more and more of those types
29:09
Speaker 9: of voters in Kyeong than na are in Goldstein, as
29:11
Speaker 9: perhaps one reason why the Liberal Party was able to
29:15
Speaker 9: bring Golstein back to their column. But wherever there's high
29:19
Speaker 9: numbers of renters, high number of young university educated professionals
29:25
Speaker 9: in these type of former liberal seats, the liberal parties
29:28
Speaker 9: struggles to win them back.
29:31
Speaker 2: God's great stuff. Thank you very much for joining us,
29:33
Speaker 2: So I'll talk to you again soon. Now, I want
29:35
Speaker 2: to go back to this issue of potential reform in
29:38
Speaker 2: the childcare sector in the wake of these horrific sexual
29:41
Speaker 2: abuse allegations that have surfaced in Victoria in the last
29:46
Speaker 2: three days. Now, this morning, the minister responsible for the sector,
29:49
Speaker 2: Education Minister Jason Clare, stress that the government will take
29:54
Speaker 2: a hard line approach to any center that is not
29:57
Speaker 2: meeting government standards. Now I don't know what that means,
30:00
Speaker 2: but here's what the minister had to say.
30:03
Speaker 4: Introduced legislation that will cut off funding the childcare centers
30:07
Speaker 4: that aren't meeting our safety standards or our quality standards.
30:10
Speaker 4: You know, if they're repeat offenders, if they're not meeting
30:13
Speaker 4: the sort of safety standards that we need and we
30:17
Speaker 4: demand as a country, and we've got to cut off
30:19
Speaker 4: their funding. That's the big weapon that the Commonwealth government
30:22
Speaker 4: has to wield here.
30:23
Speaker 2: I hear his words, but I keep saying, I mean,
30:26
Speaker 2: just look at agecare. We've been through this with agecare
30:28
Speaker 2: before and the federal government. It doesn't seem to be
30:32
Speaker 2: able to get a handle on these things. Someone whill
30:34
Speaker 2: know more about this than me, and probably the Minister
30:38
Speaker 2: is someone with extensive research experience. Professor Darryl Higgins, Director
30:42
Speaker 2: at ACU's Institute for Child Protection Studies. Professor, do you
30:47
Speaker 2: aware the ministers promise there that they'll cut funding and
30:51
Speaker 2: miraculously this stuff won't happen again.
30:55
Speaker 10: I think there's a lot more to it, and I
30:57
Speaker 10: know that the Minister is aware of that. He said
30:59
Speaker 10: on a number of occasions that there is no one silvableet.
31:02
Speaker 10: There's a range of different things that we need to
31:05
Speaker 10: be thinking about across the sector, raising the profile of
31:09
Speaker 10: the sector and not thinking about it as childcare in
31:13
Speaker 10: terms of getting parents back to work. You know, it
31:16
Speaker 10: actually has to be centered on the needs of children
31:19
Speaker 10: and having them in kind of the front of our
31:23
Speaker 10: minds when we're thinking about things like how much we
31:25
Speaker 10: pay the staff and care as who are looking for them,
31:29
Speaker 10: and how much we prioritize their training, both pre service
31:33
Speaker 10: education and ongoing training, the staff ratios, these are all
31:36
Speaker 10: things that go into making up quality education. So you
31:40
Speaker 10: can't go to the end point of having a quality
31:43
Speaker 10: system if you actually haven't had the inputs right building
31:46
Speaker 10: up a great workforce that's well paid and is valued
31:52
Speaker 10: by the community for the amazing work that they do
31:56
Speaker 10: in child development and preparing children force for school and
32:01
Speaker 10: for later life.
32:04
Speaker 2: Daryl, I hear you, But I mean those things cost money. Now,
32:07
Speaker 2: you know, I mentioned at the top of the program
32:09
Speaker 2: that you've got a mix of government funded and privately
32:12
Speaker 2: run childcare. To concentrate on the private sector. They make
32:18
Speaker 2: profits by having as few as staff as they possibly can.
32:22
Speaker 2: They're not endorsing what's happened here, but that's their business model.
32:26
Speaker 2: And you see the people that are hired aren't well trained.
32:31
Speaker 2: And I'm generalizing here, but to put in training and
32:34
Speaker 2: to put in higher salaries, a lot of these childcare
32:38
Speaker 2: centers would disappear because their business model wouldn't work. And
32:42
Speaker 2: we already see a shortage in places for people to
32:45
Speaker 2: have their children educated during the day. So might we
32:50
Speaker 2: be destroying childcare if we insist on these things happening?
32:57
Speaker 10: No, I think that we actually don't have a you know,
33:00
Speaker 10: a proper system if in fact we're not putting safety
33:03
Speaker 10: at the center that has to be our number one priority.
33:06
Speaker 10: Parents shouldn't be expected to drop off children at centers
33:10
Speaker 10: that can't guarantee the safety of their children, So that
33:13
Speaker 10: has to be, you know, our bottom line to have
33:16
Speaker 10: a system that is safe for our children and that
33:19
Speaker 10: has the trust and respect of parents. You know, we
33:23
Speaker 10: need we're forming a partnership, if you'l like, between parents
33:26
Speaker 10: and you know, this sector in order to care for
33:30
Speaker 10: their children for the number of hours each day that
33:33
Speaker 10: that is occurring. And to build that trust, you know,
33:37
Speaker 10: we need to have a number of different actions that
33:39
Speaker 10: are contributed to by government, by the regulators, by the
33:44
Speaker 10: sector itself in terms of individual centers and operators, and
33:49
Speaker 10: making sure that together we kind of pull this through
33:53
Speaker 10: and raise the quality and safety of our systems because
33:57
Speaker 10: incidents like we've seen the allegation this week are just
34:01
Speaker 10: unacceptable and any parent is rightly disturbed and angry by
34:07
Speaker 10: these failures of the system.
34:11
Speaker 2: Just briefly, as you go, as an expert in this area,
34:15
Speaker 2: what do you make of this discussion about not having
34:18
Speaker 2: men working in childcare.
34:22
Speaker 10: Well, I think it's an understandable reaction that this is
34:26
Speaker 10: where many people have gone to, but in fact it
34:30
Speaker 10: takes our attention away from the real issues. It's not
34:33
Speaker 10: gender that causes harm, it's actually the behaviors of individuals
34:37
Speaker 10: that are doing this and what are the systems that
34:40
Speaker 10: are allowing those behaviors to occur. So we have over
34:43
Speaker 10: reliance on working with children checks when in fact we
34:46
Speaker 10: should be having really rigorous screening processes, referee checks to
34:50
Speaker 10: make sure that someone is suitable and doesn't have any
34:53
Speaker 10: concerning behavior at prior employment or prior centers that they
34:58
Speaker 10: might have worked with. To have you know, training, ongoing
35:02
Speaker 10: training for staff in centers. In learning, how to you
35:07
Speaker 10: know best practice if you like, in building the capability
35:10
Speaker 10: of children to have you know, consent education, you know,
35:14
Speaker 10: to understand body safety concepts, to be engaging with parents
35:18
Speaker 10: around the rationale for teaching this, so that parents and
35:22
Speaker 10: cares together can hear about any concerns that children might have.
35:26
Speaker 10: You know, we can't expect children to talk about something
35:28
Speaker 10: that they feel icky about or unsure about if we
35:31
Speaker 10: haven't introduced children to the correct body part names and
35:35
Speaker 10: had conversations as parents and as adult cares with them
35:40
Speaker 10: that allows them to raise concerns and then takes them seriously.
35:44
Speaker 10: Right across all of the lessons that we've learned from
35:47
Speaker 10: the Royal Commission into institutional responses to child sexual abuse
35:50
Speaker 10: across a range of different sectors, including early childhood education
35:55
Speaker 10: and care, means that we really need to be lifting
35:58
Speaker 10: the capability of.
36:02
Speaker 2: Fessi Higgins. Thank you very much for your time. I
36:04
Speaker 2: appreciate it very much. After the break, we're going to
36:06
Speaker 2: go to the UK. Princess Kate has given an update
36:08
Speaker 2: on her battle with cancer, plus a little bit later
36:12
Speaker 2: on Donald Trump's Big Beautiful Bill. It's just passed another hurdle.
36:16
Speaker 2: So how close is it actually becoming law? Welcome back
36:24
Speaker 2: to price In for Peter Kretlin. Peter will be back
36:26
Speaker 2: with you next week.
36:26
Speaker 1: Now.
36:26
Speaker 2: Donald Trump's so called Big Beautiful Bill could pass Congress
36:30
Speaker 2: tonight or it may fail. It would happen in Australian
36:33
Speaker 2: time sometime in the next couple of hours. But what
36:36
Speaker 2: does that all mean. Well, that's coming up shortly, but
36:38
Speaker 2: let's stay overseas. Summer temperatures are huge in the UK.
36:42
Speaker 2: I've got a daughter living in London at the moment
36:44
Speaker 2: it is really hot, but it's fair to say it's
36:46
Speaker 2: the BBC that's got the most heat over the handling
36:49
Speaker 2: of that ugly anti Israel chant it televised live at Glastonbury.
36:54
Speaker 2: We talked about it earlier in the week News Corps
36:56
Speaker 2: European correspondent Sophie Ellsworth joins us now from a barmie London. Sophie, welcome.
37:02
Speaker 2: The BBC copped it as they should have.
37:07
Speaker 13: They certainly have, Steve.
37:08
Speaker 9: They've been in turmoil ever.
37:10
Speaker 13: Since this performance by Bob Villain at Glastonbury on the
37:14
Speaker 13: weekend where he called for those chants falling for the
37:18
Speaker 13: death to the IDF. Now the BBC has been accused
37:23
Speaker 13: of hand handling this very poorly. They had four hundred
37:27
Speaker 13: to five hundred staff that were at Glastonbury, Steve when
37:31
Speaker 13: this was aired. The Director General Tim Davey was also
37:36
Speaker 13: at Glastonbury when this disaster unfolded, and those comments that
37:41
Speaker 13: had been deemed highly offensive remained on BBC's iPlayer for
37:45
Speaker 13: up to five hours after the performer made these comments.
37:50
Speaker 13: So there's now questions been asked by the Culture Secretary
37:54
Speaker 13: Lisa Mandy about how this happened. And there's also reports
37:58
Speaker 13: in the Daily Mail here in the UK today that
38:02
Speaker 13: the singer is also under another police investigation for offensive
38:07
Speaker 13: comments he made at an earlier performance at Alexandra Palace
38:11
Speaker 13: in may So, also relating to the IDF. So this
38:15
Speaker 13: is a giant mess for the BBC, and again they
38:18
Speaker 13: are in damage control because there seems to be failures
38:22
Speaker 13: internally about how this aired and how it was allowed
38:26
Speaker 13: to stay on their platforms for hours afterwards.
38:31
Speaker 2: Well quite rightly so if the UK's chief Rabbi has
38:34
Speaker 2: joined the criticism of the way the AABC handled it,
38:39
Speaker 2: what about the artists responsible?
38:41
Speaker 1: I mean these guys.
38:42
Speaker 2: I think one of them has had a tour of
38:44
Speaker 2: Europe canceled, but they've faced no serious sanctions beyond being
38:49
Speaker 2: dropped by their agent. They banned in the US, But
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Speaker 2: ultimately I guess there'll be some people who will want
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Speaker 2: to pay to go and see these people because of
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Speaker 2: their infamy.
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Speaker 13: Well, Steve, they had an enormous platform. The BBC, as
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Speaker 13: we know, is mammoth, and so they went on air,
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Speaker 13: they did their thing, they made these comments. They've gone
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Speaker 13: viral now and a lot of people may have never
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Speaker 13: heard of these performers, and now many people do, rightly
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Speaker 13: or wrongly, as a result of those offensive remarks that
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Speaker 13: they did make. But how did this happen in the
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Speaker 13: first place. It seems that the performers had prior claims
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Speaker 13: of saying offensive remarks relating to Israel. And how was
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Speaker 13: there no delay button, Steve? How was the fact that
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Speaker 13: this was allowed to just go out there? And were
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Speaker 13: the BBC staff asleep at the wheel? Because it appears
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Speaker 13: so because Tim Davie, the boss of the BBC, was
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Speaker 13: there at Glastonbury, he was told about this and it
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Speaker 13: remained on their platform. So this is hugely problematic for
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Speaker 13: the BBC because they have been repeatedly called anti Israel,
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Speaker 13: you know, the in anti Israel in their coverage of
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Speaker 13: the war in Gaza and so forth. So this is
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Speaker 13: just another black mark against their name.
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Speaker 2: Let's talk about the Princess of Wales. I mean, she's
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Speaker 2: nothing if not honest, spoken very candidly about her cancer recovery. Sophie,
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Speaker 2: the Princess conceded post recovery at home has been difficult.
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Speaker 2: What can you tell us about what she had to say?
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Speaker 14: Well, this is.
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Speaker 13: Really interesting, Steve. The forty three year old attended a
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Speaker 13: cancer center in Essex yesterday. Let's just have a listen
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Speaker 13: of what she had to say.
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Speaker 15: You put on a sort of free feast stericism through treatment,
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Speaker 15: treatments done.
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Speaker 13: Yeah, so I think I can't.
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Speaker 12: Get back some of them again.
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Speaker 15: But actually, but the phase afterwards is really you know,
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Speaker 15: it's a really difficult one. You know, you're not necessarily
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Speaker 15: a chanical team any longer, but you're not even to
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Speaker 15: function normally at a home.
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Speaker 13: A very raw account there, Steve, a very honest account.
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Speaker 13: We haven't heard her talk a lot about her cancer battle.
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Speaker 13: We know that she pulled out of Royal Ascot at
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Speaker 13: short notice just a few weeks ago. She was announcing
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Speaker 13: remission earlier in the year. But she has talked Steve
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Speaker 13: about those battles post cancer and people just sort of
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Speaker 13: expect you to get on with it, and she said
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Speaker 13: that is really difficult and that isn't the case, and
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Speaker 13: support needs to be provided for people. So I think, Steve,
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Speaker 13: these words of wisdom from Princess Catherine will be listened
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Speaker 13: to by many people around the world, as many of
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Speaker 13: us have people close to us and have their own
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Speaker 13: cancer battles. So I think these comments are incredibly important
41:42
Speaker 13: for people to listen to know that her battle has
41:45
Speaker 13: been like many other people's battles with cancer.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, we're very well, said Sophie. You enjoy the sunshine.
41:53
Speaker 2: We'll catch up with you soon. That Sophie ELL's worth
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Speaker 2: in London there where today's temperatures are in the low thirties.
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Speaker 1: Coming up.
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Speaker 2: Trump has announced a tariff deal with Vietnam, of all places.
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Speaker 2: Still no word on any deal though between Australia and
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Speaker 2: the US. Plus the Albanezy government announces a major investment
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Speaker 2: or is it in air defense? Our international panel up
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Speaker 2: after the break, Let's bring in our Thursday Night panel.
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Speaker 2: Welcome back from the break International panel. Sky News contributed
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Speaker 2: Kosher Gata and for my labour MP Michael Danby, Welcome
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Speaker 2: to you both. Let's talk about this big, beautiful bill. First, Kosher,
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Speaker 2: It's in the Congress and as we speak we could
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Speaker 2: get this passed at some stage tonight. Can you give
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Speaker 2: us that haven't followed what's in this bill as closely
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Speaker 2: as you have, what exactly it means to average Americans?
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Speaker 2: And do you believe it will get up great to.
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Speaker 14: Be this Steve, in the simplest of terms, this is
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Speaker 14: trying to This bill is trying to ratify in the
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Speaker 14: legislature all of the policies that the Trump Agenda has
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Speaker 14: been pushing forward with the Trump admin right now, and
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Speaker 14: there's many things in it, but there's three things. Most importantly.
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Speaker 14: One is tax cuts. So these are the tax cuts
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Speaker 14: that Trump had passed in his first term. They were
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Speaker 14: due to sunset. Right now it's a permanent extension of
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Speaker 14: that that is playing to his base of working class,
43:16
Speaker 14: middle class Americans would be beneficiaries of that. There's a little
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Speaker 14: bit of spending cuts around some of the low income
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Speaker 14: programs that we have, like Medicaid and SNAP. And the
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Speaker 14: third thing, and the most important thing, is immigration enforcement,
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Speaker 14: where it has the greatest funding package in the history
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Speaker 14: of the country for immigration enforcement, everything from the border
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Speaker 14: wall to more ice agents to other deportation related mechanisms
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Speaker 14: that he wants. The reason why it's been controversial among
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Speaker 14: the Republicans in particular is the spending cuts don't go
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Speaker 14: deep enough. The looming debt and deficit remains in large
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Speaker 14: part and so some of them have held back on that.
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Speaker 14: But Trump is prioritizing immigration over spending cuts because that's
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Speaker 14: the most pressing issue for him, and in terms of
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Speaker 14: what will it pass or not, they can afford to
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Speaker 14: lose through votes. There's six or seven Republicans right now
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Speaker 14: that are holding out. So there's lots of horse trading
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Speaker 14: going on as we speak, but I do think most
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Speaker 14: likely it will pass by the skin of his teeth.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, we saw some vision there of the bait going
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Speaker 2: on in the House, Michael speaking of Washington, speaking of
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Speaker 2: politics in the US. Critics have been pretty quick to say, look,
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Speaker 2: Penny Wong went there the Foreign minister. She'd come back
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Speaker 2: from Washington empty handed, no trade deal, no Trump meeting.
44:25
Speaker 2: I saw Alexander Downer on earlier with Deneka and he
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Speaker 2: says that she's just sending the wrong message and sending
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Speaker 2: the wrong message to the Americans. What do you make
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Speaker 2: of where we're at with all of this right now?
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Speaker 16: Well, I think she's pleased she got the meeting. She
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Speaker 16: should have because it was a quad meeting. Ominously, South
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Speaker 16: Korea was strangely not there. We don't seem who have
44:48
Speaker 16: been able to get a special deal like the UK
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Speaker 16: has Starmer's managed to cut himself a special arrangement, and
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Speaker 16: even the Socialist Republic of Vietnam. You wouldn't have thought
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Speaker 16: that over popular with the Trump administration have managed to
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Speaker 16: get themselves a good deal compared to China, so they
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Speaker 16: only get a twenty percent tariff. It's ominous with that,
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Speaker 16: Polster said the other day about Kevin radnot being liked.
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Speaker 16: I saw Kevin was in the paper in the Australian
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Speaker 16: two days ago trying to say that Trump is a
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Speaker 16: smart guy for what he managed to do in the
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Speaker 16: Middle East. But I don't think that'll be enough. Unfortunately,
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Speaker 16: it seems that they've got him as a mark man.
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Speaker 16: I know Steve Bannon doesn't.
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Speaker 1: Like him, Kocha on all of this.
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Speaker 2: I was impressed with Marco Rubio at that Quad press
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Speaker 2: conference at the end where he had the Japanese Foreign Minister,
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Speaker 2: the Indian Foreign Minister in Penny Wong. He said, let's
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Speaker 2: stop talking, let's start making this Quad thing work, and
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Speaker 2: he took the conversation into a conversation about rare earths
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Speaker 2: and how that could be something the Quad could get
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Speaker 2: together and do.
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Speaker 1: He seemed to be sending sage, coach, I.
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Speaker 2: Don't know if you agree about let's get on with it,
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Speaker 2: Let's do something, don't let's have at meetings.
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Speaker 14: Well, for sure, action action, action is what this administration
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Speaker 14: prides himself in being. And moving on Trump time, I
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Speaker 14: think is what Marc Ribewa said himself in the past
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Speaker 14: of how they function and the rare earths thing is
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Speaker 14: interesting because that is one of the few areas where
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Speaker 14: Australia certainly and other countries in this region have some leverage,
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Speaker 14: something to offer and to bring to the table that
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Speaker 14: the United States really really covets, that China covets and
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Speaker 14: has very smartly been buying up parts of land around
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Speaker 14: the world that are economically poor but rich and rare earths,
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Speaker 14: and the US definitely and Marco Ruby have a strategy
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Speaker 14: to try and rebalance that. And I think it's no
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Speaker 14: coincidence that he focused in and zeroed in on that
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Speaker 14: issue in particular.
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Speaker 2: Michael, we've got this tortuous divide about how much we
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Speaker 2: should spend on defense, and then the government I guess
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Speaker 2: it's coincidence that Penny Wong returns back to the country
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Speaker 2: and we suddenly announce a two point one billion dollar
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Speaker 2: missile purchase to boost air defense and strike power. Is
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Speaker 2: that sending a message back to the Americans that, Okay,
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Speaker 2: we hear you, We're going to do something.
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Speaker 16: Maybe spere a re announcement of previous expenditure steven until
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Speaker 16: they raise the amount that they're spending on these things.
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Speaker 16: I said on Sky two nights ago that our air
47:23
Speaker 16: bases all around the country do not have modern air
47:27
Speaker 16: defense missiles. And one of these purchases is meant to
47:31
Speaker 16: be for such air to ground missiles, but it's being
47:36
Speaker 16: deployed by.
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Speaker 2: A new tenth brigade. Mate.
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Speaker 16: We're sure to five thousand people in the ADF. I
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Speaker 16: don't know where this new tenth brigade is coming from.
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Speaker 16: I'm concerned and people who are you know, in Canberra
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Speaker 16: should be digging into this more in the press gallery.
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Speaker 16: Where's this tenth brigade? Is this the re announcement of
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Speaker 16: just old expenditure? And I could provide a list on
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Speaker 16: if you want, And there are lots of people who
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Speaker 16: could of the kinds of things that Albo should be
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Speaker 16: should be doing this air defense. The air defense missiles
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Speaker 16: are good, but have a old expenditure.
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Speaker 1: Kosher in a word.
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Speaker 2: Can the Donald Trump cease fire between Israel and Hamas hold?
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Speaker 1: We hope.
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Speaker 14: So. I think the sixty days as far as is
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Speaker 14: a starting point. I mean, this region is just so
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Speaker 14: conflicted for millennias. So we shall see. But I think
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Speaker 14: he's gotten further than anybody has in recent times, and
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Speaker 14: people are hopeful for that and for his upcoming meeting
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Speaker 14: with Natanyahu next week.
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Speaker 2: Kosher Michael, thank you very much for joining us and
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Speaker 2: it's been a pleasure being here this week. Peter Kreblin
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Speaker 2: will be back with you next week. James McPherson is
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Speaker 2: up next, filling in for Andrew Bolt.