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Ep. 831: A Wildlife Officer and Skier Walk Into a Bar | MeatEater Radio Live! · The MeatEater Podcast

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  Speaker 1: Smell off. Now, lady, welcome to meet Triviaast. Now, welcome
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  Speaker 1: to me Eater Radio Live. It's eleven a m. Mountain time,
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  Speaker 1: Mountain Standard time here in Montana. Who's who's phone?
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  Speaker 2: Oh?
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  Speaker 1: Sorry, you know said you're an airplane. It's connected to
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  Speaker 1: my computer and I am in airplane mode, but it's
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  Speaker 1: still connects. That was Stephen Ranella.
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  Speaker 3: We gotta we gotta clean this thing up here, guys.
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  Speaker 1: I'm bothering. We do not have to have to. You
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  Speaker 1: should tell Steve to come down even just like call me.
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  Speaker 1: I'm gonna tell him just to come down here if
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  Speaker 1: he's here. Hold on one second, here, got a text
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  Speaker 1: Steve come to studio.
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  Speaker 3: Oh, this one's off to a real.
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  Speaker 1: Record. Can't wait to get a text.
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  Speaker 4: Message from Spencer says this is the worst radio Spencer.
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  Speaker 5: Whenever Spencer's not hosting, you guys don't know those listeners
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  Speaker 5: at home. Spencer brus himself a warm cup of coffee,
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  Speaker 5: sits in a in a recliner and turns on the
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  Speaker 5: show and takes notes and judges pulls out a legal.
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  Speaker 1: Path and he's just he's like, haha, watch those boys.
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  Speaker 6: Bird.
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  Speaker 3: There may have been a text at one point that
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  Speaker 3: said that was the worst radio live we've ever done.
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  Speaker 1: Who was hosting that one?
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  Speaker 3: I was involved?
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  Speaker 1: I was involved too. I think it might have been
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  Speaker 1: Corey to me and Corey is it?
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  Speaker 3: Is it? Eleven am Mountain Time, Bozeman, Montana.
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  Speaker 1: Yes? Do you want me to continue?
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  Speaker 3: I'm just trying to get it back on the tracks here.
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  Speaker 1: That's seven pm for our fellow Americans in Italy on Thursday,
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  Speaker 1: February fifth, and we're live from me Eater World headquarters
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  Speaker 1: in spring Like Bozeman, Montana. I'm your host, Jiannas Pteliz,
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  Speaker 1: joined today by Seth Morris and Randa Williams. We've got
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  Speaker 1: a great show for you today, including an interview from Cortina, Italy,
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  Speaker 1: with Olympic biathlete Paul Schomer maybe Seamer I didn't ask
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  Speaker 1: him and his coach Matt Emmons. We're also talking to
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  Speaker 1: Colorado Wildlife Officer Demi Wright, who recently wrapped up a
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  Speaker 1: big poaching case involving your mule deer. Then we'll look
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  Speaker 1: at photos of ourselves from about twenty years ago, and
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  Speaker 1: as always, will answer questions from the live audience. But
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  Speaker 1: first let's get a few updates from the worlds of
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  Speaker 1: Seth Randall and yours truly on this fourth to the
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  Speaker 1: last episode of Meat Eater Radio Live. Oh but don't fret.
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  Speaker 1: Make Eater Radio Live is going to be replaced by
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  Speaker 1: the Meet Eater News with Cruise Show. Now that's a
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  Speaker 1: working title. Let's just I think.
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  Speaker 5: Wait, Steve wants the title to be the news show
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  Speaker 5: Meat Eater Colon the news show.
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  Speaker 1: That doesn't sound great either, but you know he's the
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  Speaker 1: boss and whatever he chooses, that'll be it. It's gonna
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  Speaker 1: be so what you can expect out of that show
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  Speaker 1: updates from the crew. Spencer came up with a good
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  Speaker 1: thing that I like. It's like our news, your news
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  Speaker 1: and the news, and what you can expect from that
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  Speaker 1: would be like cruise stories, updates from us and then
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  Speaker 1: kind of how we do stories, questions, corrections from you guys,
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  Speaker 1: and then the news being like what really matters right
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  Speaker 1: now in conservation news. So that'll be starting, I believe
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  Speaker 1: March ninth, and it's gonna be a great show. What
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  Speaker 1: else butcher and bamby hoodies. Can you see it? Yeah?
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  Speaker 1: This is what I was pasterning Steve about because this
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  Speaker 1: is his idea. In my opinion, It is one of
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  Speaker 1: the best T shirt hoodie designs we've ever come up with.
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  Speaker 1: I do like it because it takes a anti hunting idea,
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  Speaker 1: this thing that was made up Bambi the movie, and
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  Speaker 1: completely flips it upside down and makes it into a
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  Speaker 1: pro hunting thing. Any thoughts on that?
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  Speaker 3: Boys, It's beautiful.
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  Speaker 1: I love it. It's a very subversive concept. What's all
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  Speaker 1: it has always there? Yeah? Yeah, it's just like your
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  Speaker 1: classic butchering chart of a deer ribs shoulder, but it
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  Speaker 1: just uses Bambi.
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  Speaker 3: As it.
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  Speaker 1: Who those are going to sell like hotcakes?
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  Speaker 4: Ye?
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  Speaker 5: Have our Have any lawyers from the Walt Disney Company
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  Speaker 5: reached out to us about somebody I don't know. I
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  Speaker 5: don't know, and I don't think he is. Baby's a boy, right, Yes,
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  Speaker 5: that's a buck.
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  Speaker 3: Maybe if we don't talk about that aspect of it,
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  Speaker 3: it will just go unnoticed by yeah.
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  Speaker 1: A giant. I'm so sorry. Anyways, the hoodies just pop
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  Speaker 1: just landed on the website. Uh, y'all should get one
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  Speaker 1: and wear it proudly and then make sure you can
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  Speaker 1: speak about what's going on here. That's what I was
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  Speaker 1: bothering Steve about this morning. He says, call me when
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  Speaker 1: he texts me, and then I said, no, just come
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  Speaker 1: down to the studio and he replies, I'm on a call. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: how is that gonna work? Okay, enough about hoodies, Randall,
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  Speaker 1: looks like what you've got going on in your life
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  Speaker 1: is uh, Well, first, let's let's hit the international shout out.
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  Speaker 1: We have our we have our favorite well I don't
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  Speaker 1: know is the our I think our favorite international, Like
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  Speaker 1: guess is.
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  Speaker 3: What the most the I mean? I think he has
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  Speaker 3: a perfect attendance record. If this were high school, he'd
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  Speaker 3: be recognized at the end of your assembly. But someone
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  Speaker 3: pointed out to me that he's not the only international
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  Speaker 3: listener out there. So we want to give a big
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  Speaker 3: shout out to Dan Hernandez, who's currently stationed in the
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  Speaker 3: UK tuning into mediater Radio Live.
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  Speaker 1: Shout out Dan, thanks for tuning in.
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  Speaker 5: Dan, Dan, if you're in the chat, let us know.
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  Speaker 5: If not, why did you lie to us.
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  Speaker 1: The truth?
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  Speaker 3: He seems like a good guy. We traded some traded
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  Speaker 3: some messages on the IG. Seems like a real real
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  Speaker 3: good guy. So I just want to give a big
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  Speaker 3: shout out to Dan, and then the big news in
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  Speaker 3: my household is uh. When I left this morning, it
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  Speaker 3: was my last time saying goodbye for the day to Dolly,
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  Speaker 3: our five year old dog. She's not dying. She's turning
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  Speaker 3: six tomorrow.
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  Speaker 1: You really, I didn't.
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  Speaker 3: Deliberately set that up. No, she's turning six tomorrow. So
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  Speaker 3: today's the last day with a five year old dog
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  Speaker 3: in the house. Tomorrow we have a we'll have a
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  Speaker 3: six year old dog and two ten year olds soon
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  Speaker 3: to be eleven year old. So I basically feel like
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  Speaker 3: I have three loaded guns pointing at my head because
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  Speaker 3: when you get into the big breeds, I feel like
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  Speaker 3: every years, every year past, you know, like six seven
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  Speaker 3: is real, precious.
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  Speaker 1: So I was gonna say past ten, Yeah, you feel
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  Speaker 1: like it's past six that.
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  Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I feel like labs. I feel like the
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  Speaker 3: laboratory labs can can can take a quick turn down hill.
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  Speaker 1: Geez, what do you feel like a blue tick coonhound?
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  Speaker 3: Sure, I don't know. You run them hot. I don't
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  Speaker 3: know if that's good for the engine or bad for
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  Speaker 3: the engine. You know, some engines like to be run hot.
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  Speaker 3: I'd guess that a blue tick coonhound probably that's.
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  Speaker 1: Probably good for mingus.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, but I don't know. I mean, these are just
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  Speaker 3: these are just fluffy. So, yeah, Dolly's turning six huge.
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  Speaker 3: She's kind of got a weird personality.
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  Speaker 1: She was a COVID dog.
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  Speaker 3: We thought what better time to raise a third dog
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  Speaker 3: than when we were forced to stay at home for
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  Speaker 3: a few months. But then she didn't really get socialized
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  Speaker 3: and so she she's got a lot going on in
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  Speaker 3: her own head with herself.
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  Speaker 1: How will you all celebrate her birthday?
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  Speaker 3: Typically we'll take her swimming at the river. That's what
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  Speaker 3: she likes to do. She likes to just be active.
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  Speaker 3: She's she's got like a she's a one hundred and
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  Speaker 3: ten volt dog plugged into a two twenty outlet. And
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  Speaker 3: so yeah, whatever we can do to just just wear out.
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  Speaker 3: But yeah, it's a big day in our household. We
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  Speaker 3: usually don't do a cake, but I'll often use a
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  Speaker 3: you know, cheese whiz to write their ages on their food.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, and they enjoy that.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, it just depends on depends on how much time
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  Speaker 3: we're investing each year in the celebration.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, any imagine you'll have a couple of beers. Do
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  Speaker 1: you ever like give him half a beer in the
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  Speaker 1: in the water bowl.
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  Speaker 3: Our first dog used to drink a lot. He uh,
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  Speaker 3: he was when when he when we first had him,
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  Speaker 3: we would take him to this brewery in Missoula called Byron,
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  Speaker 3: and they have all these like old German guys came
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  Speaker 3: over for the summer to like, you know, work on
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  Speaker 3: the brewery and exchange They do, like exchange stuff with
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  Speaker 3: German breweries. And these old guys loved to feed Arlow
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  Speaker 3: beer when he was tiny, and he developed a real
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  Speaker 3: taste for it. Thankfully he couldn't drive, so that was
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  Speaker 3: never an issue. But he liked whiskey, he liked wine,
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  Speaker 3: he liked beer, and died ten days shy of his
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  Speaker 3: tenth birthday. But I don't think the booz had anything
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  Speaker 3: to do with it. Sorry, this has gone way darker
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  Speaker 3: than I I thought it was gonna be like a
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  Speaker 3: This was gonna be a lighthearted celebration of Dolly's sixth birthday.
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  Speaker 3: But really I've taken some We're just talking about more
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  Speaker 3: turns here.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, you know, well we all know. That's the
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  Speaker 1: the worst part about dogs is that they die.
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  Speaker 3: Oh it kills me.
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  Speaker 1: What does cal call it prolonged suffering or something? I
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  Speaker 1: don't know. When you get a dog because.
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  Speaker 5: You just know they're gonna die.
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  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, see we had like Mingus is really my
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  Speaker 1: first dog as an adult. Like I married my wife
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  Speaker 1: and she had a dog, and so yeah, of course
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  Speaker 1: I adopted her, but I still you know, didn't feel
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  Speaker 1: that attached. Yeah, so yeah, this is uh, I'll be
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  Speaker 1: going through it. According to Randall, maybe in just a
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  Speaker 1: year or two.
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  Speaker 3: I don't know. I just life is a degenerative process
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  Speaker 3: biologically speaking.
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  Speaker 1: So yes, yes, yes, uh ant let's talk about life, Seth.
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  Speaker 1: I'm sure you're talking about this all the time these days.
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  Speaker 1: Oh God, you're gonna be a dad soon. How's that
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  Speaker 1: all coming along? Five weeks out the wife, that's it, Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: Mackerel Kelsey is very uncomfortable and sleeping poorly, but she
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  Speaker 4: feels good, like you know, she's not she's not struggling
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  Speaker 4: with like how she feels. It's just like a like
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  Speaker 4: a she's not sleeping well thing that's really struggle.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah at this point, yeah, yeah, she's probably just ready
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  Speaker 1: for it to be over. Get on out.
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  Speaker 5: Our first was two weeks there, so closer than man.
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  Speaker 4: Everyone we talked to is like we had ours in
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  Speaker 4: thirty five weeks, you know, or or within like that
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  Speaker 4: thirty five to forty week period, like it seems like
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  Speaker 4: it could happen at any moment.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, so we're one time in a peer one imports
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  Speaker 1: like nice, it's perfect.
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  Speaker 5: Perfect date night.
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  Speaker 3: We just finished up Watch.
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  Speaker 1: I'm not saying that it was a date night. No. No,
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  Speaker 1: we were looking for candles for the birth right we
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  Speaker 1: were gonna have my oldest at home. We had both
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  Speaker 1: ended up having both of them at home. Oh nice
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  Speaker 1: and uh for whatever reason, like a lot of candles
• 11:40
  Speaker 1: is a thing when you have a home birth. And
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  Speaker 1: so we're at Pier one getting some candles and we
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  Speaker 1: were still like a solid week out. But you know,
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  Speaker 1: you start having these little baby contractions and if you're
• 11:50
  Speaker 1: if you've been around pregnancies or then, when those early
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  Speaker 1: contractions happen, you're like, oh yeah, okay, it's like your
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  Speaker 1: body's practicing to get ready to give birth. Yeah. And
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  Speaker 1: we're chatting with a lady and Jennifer girl, it's like,
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  Speaker 1: oh wow, a little contraction there, and the girl looks
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  Speaker 1: at us and it's like, please don't have that baby
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  Speaker 1: in here. I'm like, come, it's not gonna happen. That
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  Speaker 1: nice of a store. Yeah, are you cleaning something over there, Phil.
• 12:20
  Speaker 3: No, there's no they're using solvents in the new studio.
• 12:23
  Speaker 5: They're like tyle yeah, off the congrete.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah it smells like I just uh it's I oftentimes
• 12:31
  Speaker 3: flood our garage with acid tone fumes and it lingers
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  Speaker 3: for a few days, and I'm getting real strong vibes
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  Speaker 3: of that.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. If you guys notice there while you're watching this
• 12:39
  Speaker 1: live show that we're all getting a little drowsy, sleepy,
• 12:41
  Speaker 1: please let us know.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, there's not a lot of ventilation in this room. Strong,
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  Speaker 5: very strong, quite strong. It might be might just be
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  Speaker 5: pumping it directly into this is this? Is this how
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  Speaker 5: they get rid of this?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, guys have fun and radio line you can't leave.
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  Speaker 1: Oh my gosh.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, just like in one Battle after I was just
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  Speaker 5: I was gonna make that reference, but I wasn't sure
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  Speaker 5: who hadn't seen the movie seth.
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  Speaker 1: You've also been doing a little bit of ice fishing. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: what's the what's the ice fishing report? I mean ice
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  Speaker 1: fishing reports not good. There's not much ice. There was
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  Speaker 1: enough ice on Cane Ferry for which is the local
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  Speaker 1: lake here for I don't know. I fished it twice,
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  Speaker 1: but it's been fishing for two weeks or so, but
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  Speaker 1: it's like it's just not the first time I fished,
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  Speaker 1: it was a little sketchy, had about four inches of ice,
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  Speaker 1: and it was moving a lot like pressure ridge pressure
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  Speaker 1: ridges were building while we were there, and you know,
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  Speaker 1: just not what you want and you couldn't really get
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  Speaker 1: to the stuff we wanted to get to out further.
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  Speaker 1: But then last weekend we hit it and had a
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  Speaker 1: good walleye bite which was fun, kind of like a
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  Speaker 1: morning walleye bite. And then.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, I think it's kind of done now we've had
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  Speaker 4: because they just warmed up too a warm week and
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  Speaker 4: it's supposed to be sixty degrees today. Now is it
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  Speaker 4: early enough where it could turn around again or is
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  Speaker 4: it now You're like, eh, halfway through February, it's pretty
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  Speaker 4: much no matter what happens, is done. No, it could
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  Speaker 4: definitely turn around again and get cold and make ice
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  Speaker 4: enough to fish, But at this point in time, I'm like,
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  Speaker 4: let's bring on open water and get a boat, right,
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  Speaker 4: just kind of over watching the.
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  Speaker 1: Weather for ice.
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  Speaker 4: But there's still places around where there's guys skating on
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  Speaker 4: the pond out back here this morning there's obviously enough
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  Speaker 4: ice there, But I don't know, fishing these little ponds
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  Speaker 4: around here kind of gets old after a while.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: I want to get out some big water school kids. Yeah, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: the high school kids, the hardcore. Is it love pounding
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  Speaker 1: the local ponds. Oh, I know Jimmy Rennello has been
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  Speaker 1: tearing it up. Yeah, yeah, I heard he had. I
• 15:01
  Speaker 1: heard from his little sister, and I haven't got corroborated
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  Speaker 1: with Steven, but I heard that he was like having
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  Speaker 1: hypothermic symptoms from being Oh yeah, I have recent ice
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  Speaker 1: fishing trip. You heard the story.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, he told me about it.
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  Speaker 1: He was on a sound legit. Uh.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, he said they were fishing for burbot and night fishing.
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  Speaker 4: Apparently the temperature was over that that period of time
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  Speaker 4: when we got that cold snap. Yeah and yeah, apparently
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  Speaker 4: the temperatures dropped into negatives and you got hypothermia.
• 15:34
  Speaker 1: Yeah. I heard that his his partners were getting ready
• 15:37
  Speaker 1: to take him to the emergency room because of his
• 15:39
  Speaker 1: he was being so symptomatic. Oh, he didn't tell me
• 15:41
  Speaker 1: that part. Yeah. Speaking of a place where it is
• 15:46
  Speaker 1: really cold right now and they're having a heck of
• 15:48
  Speaker 1: a winner, Wisconsin, a little update on my oak savannah project.
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  Speaker 1: If you don't know, if you haven't heard this, we're
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  Speaker 1: turning about seven eight of our forty in Wisconsin into
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  Speaker 1: an oak savannah, which basically meant we cut out a
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  Speaker 1: lot of trees with a logging project, left a few,
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  Speaker 1: and then instead of regenerating oaks there, we instead killed
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  Speaker 1: all the oaks and everything else that was going to
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  Speaker 1: grow there and are now going to try to grow
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  Speaker 1: forbes and native grasses instead. Underneath the few oaks that
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  Speaker 1: are left, and the part of the project where we
• 16:29
  Speaker 1: were at we had piled all of the slash that
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  Speaker 1: was left over from the logging, and these giant piles
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  Speaker 1: had to get burned. I couldn't do it since one
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  Speaker 1: thousand miles away, and I needed help. So a friend
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  Speaker 1: of mine, Ashley Stinky, from the He is the Wisconsin
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  Speaker 1: Grassland Collegist for the Audubon Great Lakes and leads the
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  Speaker 1: Audubon Conservation ranching program in Wisconsin, and so he offered
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  Speaker 1: to burn these piles for me, which I had have
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  Speaker 1: roughly thirty of hanging out and they're giant piles, like
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  Speaker 1: easily the size of the studio that we're in right now.
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  Speaker 1: Go ahead and show us some pictures film. Yeah, do
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  Speaker 1: you want to do that first picture? Yeah, there's a
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  Speaker 1: picture of Ashley with a big old fire going behind him.
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  Speaker 1: You can see the size of the pile. It's legit.
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  Speaker 1: So we had to get these things burned so that
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  Speaker 1: we have like a clear space to then do our seating,
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  Speaker 1: which is going to happen very soon. Here we're going
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  Speaker 1: to do a frost seeding, which basically means they just
• 17:29
  Speaker 1: sprinkle the seeds all over while they still have you know,
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  Speaker 1: snow and basically a free staw cycle which will help
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  Speaker 1: the seeds get great contact with the ground. Go ahead
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  Speaker 1: and show those three Moultree photos in a row. So
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  Speaker 1: this is the day that he burned. There's we have
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  Speaker 1: a stand kind of on this wildlife opening. The oaksavana
• 17:49
  Speaker 1: is actually to the north, but you can see this
• 17:51
  Speaker 1: is like well eleven am. And then a little bit
• 17:55
  Speaker 1: later Ashley's got them all burning, and then by I
• 17:59
  Speaker 1: think three thirty four in the next photo, you can oh, no,
• 18:03
  Speaker 1: already by that was only at noon. Well, that happened fast.
• 18:07
  Speaker 1: So they continue to burn and they the piles got
• 18:10
  Speaker 1: even a little bit smaller, as you'll see in the
• 18:12
  Speaker 1: video coming up here. But I was asking Ashley. I'm like, man,
• 18:18
  Speaker 1: you can't this is going to take a couple of
• 18:19
  Speaker 1: days and you can't just take time off of work.
• 18:21
  Speaker 1: And he's like, oh no, I will be working while
• 18:24
  Speaker 1: I'm doing this, Like, but we don't have like a
• 18:25
  Speaker 1: contract or anything, and he goes, yeah, man, but our
• 18:28
  Speaker 1: our our sort of attitude at the autumn on society
• 18:31
  Speaker 1: is like if it's good for the birds, it's good
• 18:33
  Speaker 1: for the best sort of like meaning like we don't
• 18:35
  Speaker 1: have a project with you, but what you're doing like
• 18:39
  Speaker 1: helps the whole landscape around here, and it just it
• 18:43
  Speaker 1: has an impact. And so gladly come up and help
• 18:46
  Speaker 1: you and put some of my work times into your project. Yeah.
• 18:51
  Speaker 1: Can you show that video, Phil of the the first
• 18:53
  Speaker 1: one here? Yeah, this is still when they're un pretty good.
• 18:59
  Speaker 7: Ones on the very cell facing hillside. Oh I can
• 19:08
  Speaker 7: think of is large scale landscape level restoration like this
• 19:15
  Speaker 7: and sitting here in September and listening to elp Bugle
• 19:20
  Speaker 7: in this landscape of a good day.
• 19:26
  Speaker 1: We can we spend enough time on this. We don't
• 19:28
  Speaker 1: need to play that other one. But the next video
• 19:31
  Speaker 1: would just show all those piles basically being a lot smaller,
• 19:34
  Speaker 1: and it's it's cool for me. You guys are just
• 19:38
  Speaker 1: looking at like basically bonfires and going like why is
• 19:41
  Speaker 1: this really that interesting? But for someone that's been involved
• 19:44
  Speaker 1: in this project now for two years and knowing that
• 19:46
  Speaker 1: the end is really well, there is no end to it,
• 19:49
  Speaker 1: but sort of like hopefully it looks like the oak
• 19:51
  Speaker 1: Savannah that it's in my head in about another three years,
• 19:55
  Speaker 1: because it's going to take three years for these seeds
• 19:58
  Speaker 1: to really establish themselves and get going. But just the
• 20:01
  Speaker 1: change from what it looked like when I was there
• 20:03
  Speaker 1: in the fall with all these giant piles and now
• 20:05
  Speaker 1: to see those piles gone and you can really get
• 20:08
  Speaker 1: that sort of just like unobstructed view across those seven
• 20:12
  Speaker 1: acres and just looking through like the few leftover giant oaks,
• 20:15
  Speaker 1: it's sweet. Yeah, it's cool. I'd major fomo when Ashley
• 20:19
  Speaker 1: was there the other day. Do you guys have plans
• 20:21
  Speaker 1: to keep burning that area?
• 20:23
  Speaker 7: Oh?
• 20:24
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah yeah a big part of my work
• 20:28
  Speaker 1: now is making sure that my fire breaks and my
• 20:32
  Speaker 1: roads act as fire breaks. And I got that dialed
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: so that when it's time to burn, whether I do
• 20:37
  Speaker 1: it or you know, someone else I was talking to
• 20:39
  Speaker 1: Ashley about like having someone else do it, and it's
• 20:41
  Speaker 1: a lot cheaper if they roll in and your shit
• 20:45
  Speaker 1: is tight and your fire breaks are tight, and they're
• 20:48
  Speaker 1: just like, oh great, we're just gonna burn and we leave.
• 20:50
  Speaker 1: If they have to start doing you know, manual labor
• 20:53
  Speaker 1: to make your fire breaks, legit, it's gonna you know,
• 20:56
  Speaker 1: the price is going up big time. All right, enough, Bsen,
• 21:01
  Speaker 1: let's get on with our first interview of the morning.
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: We're gonna play a little video before we start.
• 21:07
  Speaker 8: Oh yeah, when I'm skiing into the range, there's a
• 21:11
  Speaker 8: lot going through my head. In thirty seconds, it feels
• 21:16
  Speaker 8: like the race could change. Hands are freezy, snowpeppers all.
• 21:21
  Speaker 8: I'm a her right's eye magazine in close the action, fumble,
• 21:23
  Speaker 8: slow it down, focus pressure, I'm a trigger, don't fight.
• 21:29
  Speaker 2: It smooths for.
• 21:31
  Speaker 8: Shot, clean, second shot, on the last, jaws, third fourth.
• 21:38
  Speaker 8: Sometimes I'm not even really thinking. It all goes silent,
• 21:44
  Speaker 8: and after that last shot, it all comes rushing back, breathing, heartbeat, noise,
• 21:52
  Speaker 8: and I'm not even on snow yet.
• 21:54
  Speaker 1: This is Bathlon Wait. Our first guest today joining us
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: from and Holts, Italy, are by athletes Paul Schamer and
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: Matt Emmons. Now Matt might not consider himself I'm guessing
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: he's still skis as a bad athlete in some version,
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: but he is Paul's coach. Now, welcome to the show, fellas.
• 22:22
  Speaker 2: Hey, nice, nice to join you guys.
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: Good there that The first time I watched that video,
• 22:29
  Speaker 1: I was likedow, man, he's just he's not even on snow.
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: But when I just watched it, for whatever reason, man,
• 22:33
  Speaker 1: it kind of got me fired fired up and I
• 22:35
  Speaker 1: was feeling the pressure that you feel when you're out
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: there trying to shoot those little targets. All right, fellas, welcome.
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: Like I said, uh, for those that don't know, can
• 22:45
  Speaker 1: you guys just give us a thirty second explanation of
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: what biathlon is.
• 22:52
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 22:52
  Speaker 8: So, I think just to start, I think it's what's
• 22:55
  Speaker 8: really cool about Bathlon is I think it's really connected
• 22:57
  Speaker 8: to a lot of things that make us that we
• 23:00
  Speaker 8: hold dear to us as humans, which I think are
• 23:02
  Speaker 8: one hunting and two protecting and providing.
• 23:06
  Speaker 2: For those that we love.
• 23:07
  Speaker 8: Because it was really came about from people in northern
• 23:11
  Speaker 8: Scandinavia back in the day, hunting on snow in the winter,
• 23:15
  Speaker 8: on skis and then eventually got turned into a border
• 23:18
  Speaker 8: patrol during World War two and then and then basically
• 23:22
  Speaker 8: from that practice, they had some mini competitions and that's
• 23:27
  Speaker 8: what turned into Bathlon. Bathlon is versus foremost a race.
• 23:31
  Speaker 8: So the clock starts when you leave the start and
• 23:34
  Speaker 8: ends when you cross the finish line, and it's a
• 23:37
  Speaker 8: ski race where you stop and you have shootings either
• 23:40
  Speaker 8: two or four different shootings.
• 23:41
  Speaker 2: From an equal amount of.
• 23:44
  Speaker 8: Prone and standing. So if you have a two shooting race,
• 23:46
  Speaker 8: it's one prone, one standing. A four shooting race it's
• 23:49
  Speaker 8: two prone, two standing. And for every mistarget you have
• 23:54
  Speaker 8: a penalty, either by having the ski of penalty loop
• 23:56
  Speaker 8: or a time penalty. And so it's all about skiing fast,
• 24:01
  Speaker 8: being efficient on the range and any targets.
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: Okay, obviously heart rate must play just like a huge,
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: huge it's gotta be a huge factor in like being
• 24:11
  Speaker 1: able to execute what you're doing. So tell me before
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: we get in, like how you do it, but like
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: what's your like resting heart rate. Then you're like racing
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: when you're on skis, and then the heart rate that
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: you're trying to actually when you're shooting, what you're trying
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: to get your heart rate too.
• 24:29
  Speaker 8: Yeah, so I mean resting heart rate. I would say
• 24:33
  Speaker 8: most nights I'm in the low thirties. So I'd say, like,
• 24:37
  Speaker 8: if I'm in like a good spot and I'm looking up,
• 24:40
  Speaker 8: I'll have my heart rate. I have an OR ring,
• 24:44
  Speaker 8: but the OI ring only tracks to thirty three, and
• 24:47
  Speaker 8: so there'll be sometimes or I'll be under that and
• 24:49
  Speaker 8: there'll be like gaps in it. And then heart rate
• 24:51
  Speaker 8: variability is another one that you look at for recovery
• 24:54
  Speaker 8: on the range.
• 24:55
  Speaker 2: I have a pretty low heart rate.
• 24:57
  Speaker 8: In this grand scheme of things when it comes like
• 25:00
  Speaker 8: max alright, so my max herrate is probably going to
• 25:02
  Speaker 8: be like one seventy five throughout the season, whereas like
• 25:06
  Speaker 8: some competitors they'll be up over two hundred.
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: Okay, And then so that's your max. When you're skiing
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: and you're going full bore. What's the heart rate that
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: you're trying to be at when you're trying to make
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: these shots?
• 25:22
  Speaker 2: Oh?
• 25:23
  Speaker 8: Man, I mean, honestly, I don't really look at my
• 25:25
  Speaker 8: heart rate too much. I think that the breathing is
• 25:29
  Speaker 8: what I really focus on, mostly because that's kind of
• 25:32
  Speaker 8: like the anchor of focus sometimes, so you like control
• 25:35
  Speaker 8: your breathing, because you can control your breathing or is
• 25:37
  Speaker 8: your heart rate is kind of like kind of like
• 25:39
  Speaker 8: all right, heart's gonna do what it wants. I would
• 25:43
  Speaker 8: say I'm probably shooting around one hundred and fifty beats
• 25:47
  Speaker 8: per minute most times that I'm I'm on the range
• 25:50
  Speaker 8: or more.
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: For those of you at home, like, I don't know
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: if you can even get to one hundred and fifty
• 25:57
  Speaker 1: beats a minute, but like, go ahead and try shooting
• 25:59
  Speaker 1: a gun at accurately with your heart doing one hundred
• 26:02
  Speaker 1: and fifty beats a minute. That's insane, all right, Paul,
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: Because we've interviewed you before on the show, not on
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: this show, but on the Mediator podcast. So I have
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: an idea of like the things that you've been through.
• 26:17
  Speaker 1: I follow you on Instagram, give us the sort of
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: rundown of the hurdles. I was talking with recently the
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: one of the main folks over at cross Cut, which
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: is Bozeman's biathlete sort of center shooting center, and I
• 26:34
  Speaker 1: mentioned your name and she's like, yeah, that guy has
• 26:37
  Speaker 1: been through more to get to what he's getting to
• 26:40
  Speaker 1: do now than like anybody else I know. I mean
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: it's just like, it's amazing, So give us a short
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: rundown of like the hurdles that you've had to go
• 26:47
  Speaker 1: through to be able to race this next week.
• 26:53
  Speaker 2: I mean, yeah, I think that.
• 26:55
  Speaker 8: When I was last sitting in your guys at studio
• 26:58
  Speaker 8: in twenty twenty two, I was asked the question like, oh,
• 27:01
  Speaker 8: how much long are you gonna go? And at that
• 27:02
  Speaker 8: point I was kind of like, I don't really know,
• 27:06
  Speaker 8: and I didn't really see myself competing for another four years,
• 27:10
  Speaker 8: and I think that decision was almost kind of made
• 27:12
  Speaker 8: for me. In twenty twenty three, I had a knee
• 27:17
  Speaker 8: injury that I actually had to get a knee surgery,
• 27:20
  Speaker 8: so I had to finish my season early, came home,
• 27:22
  Speaker 8: got surgery, rehabbed back from that surgery, made a full
• 27:28
  Speaker 8: come back, qualified for the World Cup. Was at the
• 27:30
  Speaker 8: pre World Cup camp in Finland, and my knee just
• 27:35
  Speaker 8: totally blew up, like just I didn't know what was
• 27:38
  Speaker 8: going on. I thought maybe it was just the travel
• 27:40
  Speaker 8: with some other things wasn't getting better. So I ended
• 27:44
  Speaker 8: up flying home from Finland, and at that point, not
• 27:49
  Speaker 8: only was I having some knee issues, I was actually
• 27:51
  Speaker 8: having a lot of other stuff going on in my
• 27:53
  Speaker 8: personal life as well. And I just remember sitting across
• 27:56
  Speaker 8: the table from my coach when I was in Finland
• 27:58
  Speaker 8: and just saying, like, I'm going home and I don't
• 28:01
  Speaker 8: know when I'm coming back, because like it just seemed
• 28:06
  Speaker 8: like everything was pretty chaotic at that point. I ended
• 28:09
  Speaker 8: up going home and I realized that my knee had
• 28:11
  Speaker 8: re injured itself, so I had to get a second
• 28:12
  Speaker 8: knee surgery. And basically what happened was the first surgery,
• 28:16
  Speaker 8: the injury that they had repaired just had failed, and
• 28:20
  Speaker 8: I was right back to where I was and it
• 28:23
  Speaker 8: was a knee scope, so they're like, hey, you should
• 28:25
  Speaker 8: be good to like ski pretty soon, and my knee
• 28:29
  Speaker 8: just was not responding. I would ski for about thirty minutes,
• 28:32
  Speaker 8: my knee would be swollen for two days. And so
• 28:35
  Speaker 8: at that point, I was like, I don't even know
• 28:37
  Speaker 8: if I can compete, much less if I want to compete.
• 28:42
  Speaker 8: And that kind of like put me in a really
• 28:44
  Speaker 8: interesting spot because it was kind of like maybe the
• 28:45
  Speaker 8: decision was made for me. I felt like my life
• 28:49
  Speaker 8: at that point was maybe steering me in a different direction.
• 28:51
  Speaker 8: Priorities that came that come before sport were things that
• 28:56
  Speaker 8: I think I was prioritizing at that time. But as
• 29:01
  Speaker 8: that year unfolded, Uh again, I think some some decisions
• 29:05
  Speaker 8: were made for me, maybe decisions that I would have
• 29:08
  Speaker 8: made for myself, and I ultimately felt like I should train,
• 29:12
  Speaker 8: train back. I went down to Stedman Clinic in Colorado
• 29:16
  Speaker 8: because my knee wasn't responding, and they said that I
• 29:18
  Speaker 8: should get another knee surgery, but they were gonna put
• 29:20
  Speaker 8: metal in my my knee, and I was just not
• 29:23
  Speaker 8: ready to put metal in my knee at my age.
• 29:25
  Speaker 8: It would have just kind of started me down another
• 29:27
  Speaker 8: path that I didn't really feel like was necessary. And uh,
• 29:33
  Speaker 8: I actually kind of started to get back into training
• 29:36
  Speaker 8: and then got to a point where I was like, man,
• 29:37
  Speaker 8: I finally feel like my knees responding.
• 29:39
  Speaker 2: I can train enough to be able to get back
• 29:41
  Speaker 2: to a high level.
• 29:43
  Speaker 8: And I really don't know what happened other than maybe
• 29:47
  Speaker 8: my body responded in such a way that I was
• 29:49
  Speaker 8: able to get back and slowly made my way back
• 29:53
  Speaker 8: at that time. Because I didn't compete that year before,
• 29:55
  Speaker 8: I was left off the national team, so I didn't
• 29:58
  Speaker 8: have any support from the national team. I lost my
• 30:00
  Speaker 8: health insurance, I was just training on my own and
• 30:04
  Speaker 8: thankfully was able to requalify for the team this past year.
• 30:08
  Speaker 8: Had to work my way back up through the ranks.
• 30:11
  Speaker 8: Was at World Championships and qualified for that basically like
• 30:16
  Speaker 8: last minute. I missed a lot of other chaotic things
• 30:20
  Speaker 8: going on, and that that makes me being here in
• 30:24
  Speaker 8: Italy right now talking to you guys something that I'm
• 30:28
  Speaker 8: like really grateful for because I definitely don't take it
• 30:31
  Speaker 8: for granted. There's plenty of things that could have derailed
• 30:33
  Speaker 8: me along the way and makes it makes it really
• 30:36
  Speaker 8: special to be able to compete this winter.
• 30:39
  Speaker 1: Awesome. Okay, so you I don't know if I'm gonna
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: phrase this properly, but like what you made it to
• 30:45
  Speaker 1: the Olympics, which I think is you know, for most
• 30:47
  Speaker 1: of most people that that would be in of itself
• 30:50
  Speaker 1: like and it isn't amazing.
• 30:51
  Speaker 3: For everybody, just just generalize anybody.
• 30:55
  Speaker 1: It's an amazing accomplishment. But obviously you got a little
• 30:59
  Speaker 1: bit more ger in you than most of us. So
• 31:01
  Speaker 1: you're here, what's like, what is your focus set on?
• 31:05
  Speaker 9: Now?
• 31:06
  Speaker 1: What's your goal that you're there now?
• 31:12
  Speaker 8: Well, I think like for this year, I've set the
• 31:14
  Speaker 8: goal for myself top ten at the Olympics. I've gone
• 31:18
  Speaker 8: top ten at this venue before on the World Cup,
• 31:22
  Speaker 8: and so that's something that I've.
• 31:24
  Speaker 2: Really thought of.
• 31:24
  Speaker 8: I think another goal for our entire team that we
• 31:27
  Speaker 8: have and something that we hear about all the time
• 31:30
  Speaker 8: at the Olympics is Blatlon is the only winter sport
• 31:32
  Speaker 8: the US is yet to medal in at the Winter Olympics,
• 31:35
  Speaker 8: and it's kind of dubbed the last first medal, and
• 31:38
  Speaker 8: so I think our goal is really to see the
• 31:40
  Speaker 8: US win that that medal. I think we have some
• 31:44
  Speaker 8: chances in individual events, especially with my my teammate Campbell,
• 31:47
  Speaker 8: who last year won two silver medals at World Championships.
• 31:49
  Speaker 8: But we've been forth a couple of times in relays
• 31:52
  Speaker 8: this year on the on the World Cup, So I
• 31:55
  Speaker 8: think we really have our sites set on hopefully bringing
• 31:57
  Speaker 8: home that last first medal.
• 32:00
  Speaker 1: It listen, man, if you're telling me that you're you're
• 32:02
  Speaker 1: playing on possibly breaking top ten, I immediately think, well, if
• 32:06
  Speaker 1: he can do that, he could also go podium. Likely
• 32:09
  Speaker 1: that's only a few spots. And I know that you
• 32:11
  Speaker 1: guys know way more about this than I do, but yeah,
• 32:15
  Speaker 1: all right, awesome. I love to hear it. Let's talk
• 32:17
  Speaker 1: a little bit about how this biathon business uh like
• 32:22
  Speaker 1: relates to hunting. Matt, I was told that you actually
• 32:26
  Speaker 1: have hunted Shammy in the valley that you guys are
• 32:31
  Speaker 1: are compete well, that Paul is competing in this week.
• 32:34
  Speaker 1: Is that right? Yeah?
• 32:37
  Speaker 10: Yeah, Actually I've been here four different times hunting for Shammy.
• 32:40
  Speaker 10: It's a beautiful valley. I call it like my second home.
• 32:42
  Speaker 10: Even though it's not just love coming here. I love
• 32:45
  Speaker 10: mountain hunting and I've lived in Europe now for thirteen
• 32:48
  Speaker 10: years and one of the things I missed about living
• 32:51
  Speaker 10: out west in the US was just mountain hunting, and
• 32:54
  Speaker 10: so I got an opportunity to be able to come
• 32:55
  Speaker 10: here and hunt Shammy and it's it's just awesome. So
• 32:58
  Speaker 10: I wasn't able to do it this past but hopefully
• 33:00
  Speaker 10: that's coming, you're I'll be able to do.
• 33:02
  Speaker 1: What does a hamp? Is that what you guys call it? Shammy?
• 33:05
  Speaker 1: Or do you do you pronounce it shamois?
• 33:09
  Speaker 6: I say shammy. Don't know that's right or not.
• 33:11
  Speaker 1: But yeah, so, like what's a shammy hunt in that area?
• 33:16
  Speaker 1: Look like just gives a real quick rundown of like
• 33:19
  Speaker 1: a normal mourning Shammy hunt.
• 33:22
  Speaker 6: So all of my hunts actually have been mourning hunts.
• 33:25
  Speaker 2: Pretty much.
• 33:25
  Speaker 10: What we do is we get up before before sun up,
• 33:28
  Speaker 10: get up in the mountains. Usually we drive up with
• 33:30
  Speaker 10: a car up to a certain point.
• 33:32
  Speaker 6: And then you got a hike.
• 33:33
  Speaker 10: And sometimes it could be, you know, maybe just a
• 33:35
  Speaker 10: fifteen minute hike to get to a spot where you're
• 33:37
  Speaker 10: going to be spotting, or it could be a longer hike.
• 33:41
  Speaker 10: One year, we actually did go into about midday, so
• 33:44
  Speaker 10: we were moving around trying to spot some animals. This
• 33:47
  Speaker 10: isn't what we're looking for, Let's go over here. And
• 33:49
  Speaker 10: then we found some different ones. Not what we're looking for,
• 33:52
  Speaker 10: Let's go over here. So it took a little bit longer.
• 33:53
  Speaker 10: But once you get one down, usually you're up above
• 33:57
  Speaker 10: above two thousand meters, which is over six thousand feet.
• 34:00
  Speaker 10: I'm up above tree line. So once you get it down,
• 34:03
  Speaker 10: then it's you know, a matter of gutting it, put
• 34:04
  Speaker 10: it in a backpack hole. They put it in the
• 34:07
  Speaker 10: backpack hole. They don't cut it up because the only
• 34:09
  Speaker 10: weigh about probably sixty sixty five pounds roughly.
• 34:13
  Speaker 6: Put it in the backpack and then you're hiking back down.
• 34:15
  Speaker 10: So it could be, you know, a short hike depending
• 34:17
  Speaker 10: on where you parked, or it could be a fairly
• 34:19
  Speaker 10: long hike.
• 34:19
  Speaker 6: I mean, nothing like elk hunting in Colorado or something.
• 34:22
  Speaker 1: But sure, you know, you.
• 34:23
  Speaker 6: Get down and take it to the cooler where we
• 34:26
  Speaker 6: go and let it hang.
• 34:27
  Speaker 1: Are they pretty spooky critters? Or like, how sneaky do
• 34:31
  Speaker 1: you have to be to get within rifle range?
• 34:35
  Speaker 10: They see really well, So it depends on where where
• 34:38
  Speaker 10: you're at. Last year will not last year the year
• 34:40
  Speaker 10: before last. I don't know if that one was just
• 34:43
  Speaker 10: stupid or whatever, but we actually went across this opening
• 34:46
  Speaker 10: where he could see us, and I got to about
• 34:47
  Speaker 10: three hundred and fifty yards and decided, okay, he's if
• 34:51
  Speaker 10: we go any closer, he's going to bust. So I
• 34:53
  Speaker 10: was able to take the shot and knock him down.
• 34:57
  Speaker 10: Depends on where you're at. There's a lot of times
• 35:00
  Speaker 10: where you're trying to sneak in, sneaking in to get
• 35:02
  Speaker 10: to rifle range or good rifle range, which I would
• 35:04
  Speaker 10: say is, you know, two fifty to three hundred yards.
• 35:07
  Speaker 10: The closest shot I've ever taken, he was probably about
• 35:08
  Speaker 10: two thirty. You gotta kind of sneak behind rocks, try
• 35:13
  Speaker 10: to keep yourself hidden because they see well. And especially
• 35:15
  Speaker 10: if you've got a big group of them, you know,
• 35:17
  Speaker 10: maybe there's ten animals there, you've got ten different sets
• 35:19
  Speaker 10: of eyes looking at you, then you've got to be
• 35:21
  Speaker 10: a little bit more careful, especially if there.
• 35:23
  Speaker 6: Are females in if they're females with little ones, then
• 35:26
  Speaker 6: then you got to be really careful to get in
• 35:28
  Speaker 6: on the buck.
• 35:30
  Speaker 1: I know both of you guys hunt a fair amount.
• 35:34
  Speaker 1: Are there times when you guys are actually in the field,
• 35:37
  Speaker 1: maybe right after a shot or getting ready to preparing
• 35:40
  Speaker 1: for a shot, where you have a thought where you're like, oh,
• 35:44
  Speaker 1: my biathlon training is really paying off.
• 35:51
  Speaker 8: Yeah, I mean for sure, I think the biggest thing
• 35:53
  Speaker 8: that I've noticed is that one, I'm fit enough to
• 35:57
  Speaker 8: be able to get places that I need to be,
• 35:59
  Speaker 8: which is like a a huge benefit. But yeah, I
• 36:03
  Speaker 8: think that there's been a few hunts, Like in Montana,
• 36:06
  Speaker 8: I was hunting the Missouri breaks and like, uh, we
• 36:09
  Speaker 8: just like found a spot and it was no problem
• 36:11
  Speaker 8: to hike in six six miles or whatever.
• 36:13
  Speaker 2: And I mean we were just on elk all day
• 36:15
  Speaker 2: every day. And then I think a couple.
• 36:17
  Speaker 8: Of years ago, I actually drew a moose tag in
• 36:20
  Speaker 8: North Dakota and hunting there. I think that like one
• 36:23
  Speaker 8: the persistence, just like waking up every single day as
• 36:26
  Speaker 8: an athlete, you just know like, hey, it's a new
• 36:27
  Speaker 8: opportunity and just.
• 36:30
  Speaker 2: Got to be in the game if we're gonna be there.
• 36:32
  Speaker 8: But then also like when that target shows up and
• 36:34
  Speaker 8: the heart rate goes up, I'm I'm just like, okay, yeah,
• 36:37
  Speaker 8: we're just like. Doesn't mean that my trigger has to
• 36:39
  Speaker 8: be any bit different, doesn't mean that my anchor points
• 36:42
  Speaker 8: my sites everything else. Like my my focus goes immediately
• 36:46
  Speaker 8: to the things that.
• 36:48
  Speaker 2: I want to do to to take a good shot.
• 36:50
  Speaker 2: And I think a lot of that.
• 36:51
  Speaker 8: Comes from the fact that like I shoot tens of
• 36:53
  Speaker 8: thousands of rounds every single year, yeah with a rifle,
• 36:57
  Speaker 8: whereas with my with my moose, I shot it with
• 36:59
  Speaker 8: my bow. But like shooting and shooting, and I think
• 37:02
  Speaker 8: that's the biggest thing as a bo athlete, Like I
• 37:04
  Speaker 8: just I know I'm a better shooter than than I
• 37:07
  Speaker 8: was when I was younger, and I wasn't shooting nearly
• 37:09
  Speaker 8: as much as I do now.
• 37:10
  Speaker 10: Well, I also think Paul, the mental part of it
• 37:12
  Speaker 10: because when you're we kind of go on autopilot. It's
• 37:15
  Speaker 10: like we've done this so much, whether it's in biathlon
• 37:18
  Speaker 10: or precision shooting, you've performed so often under pressure that
• 37:22
  Speaker 10: when we're hunting, you get to that moment and you
• 37:25
  Speaker 10: just do the things that you've been trained to do,
• 37:26
  Speaker 10: the things that you've done, you know, thousands and thousands
• 37:29
  Speaker 10: of times, so that that training comes in very helpful.
• 37:34
  Speaker 10: You just you don't even think about it. You just
• 37:36
  Speaker 10: do the work that needs to be done.
• 37:37
  Speaker 1: Right. Okay, so you guys both shot. I don't even
• 37:41
  Speaker 1: know you guys. Do you guys have a rough number
• 37:43
  Speaker 1: in your head about how many rounds of twenty two
• 37:46
  Speaker 1: l R you've you've put down range?
• 37:50
  Speaker 8: Well, I want to make a decision here. Matt is
• 37:52
  Speaker 8: a he was an Olympic shooter, and how many metals
• 37:55
  Speaker 8: do you have? So he has three shootings in just
• 37:58
  Speaker 8: uh three medals and just shooting. So that's I mean,
• 38:02
  Speaker 8: he he probably shoots more as an athlete than I do.
• 38:06
  Speaker 8: I probably shoot about fifteen to twenty thousand rounds of
• 38:08
  Speaker 8: twenty two a year.
• 38:09
  Speaker 6: Yeah it wasn't. I probably shout about maybe twenty five
• 38:12
  Speaker 6: thousand a year.
• 38:13
  Speaker 1: And how many years.
• 38:16
  Speaker 10: I competed for Gee Whiz over twenty years, So it's
• 38:20
  Speaker 10: it's it's a lot.
• 38:21
  Speaker 3: That's fabulous. Oh that's a lot. I love powder so
• 38:24
  Speaker 3: that your fingers still stink like powder.
• 38:27
  Speaker 1: I think for a real like a real take home
• 38:30
  Speaker 1: for folks watching and listening would be coming from you, guys,
• 38:35
  Speaker 1: like what are like each? Give me two reasons of why,
• 38:40
  Speaker 1: like what makes someone a I'm gonna use air quotes
• 38:43
  Speaker 1: a bad shot. Go ahead, Matt, you first.
• 38:47
  Speaker 10: All right, practice practice Everything comes down to practice.
• 38:54
  Speaker 6: I mean, aneso.
• 38:55
  Speaker 10: If you practice poor things, if you practice a lot,
• 38:58
  Speaker 10: you're doing it wrong. You're just gonna get good that
• 39:00
  Speaker 10: doing it wrong. So I think proper practice is number one.
• 39:04
  Speaker 10: A lot of people don't understand what proper technique is.
• 39:07
  Speaker 10: And it's as simple as position, breathing, trigger, control, follow through.
• 39:12
  Speaker 10: If you can do those things right, you're going to
• 39:13
  Speaker 10: hit a lot of targets or animals or whatever it
• 39:16
  Speaker 10: might be. So I think proper practice learning what proper
• 39:19
  Speaker 10: technique is and then just simply doing it doing.
• 39:22
  Speaker 6: It a lot.
• 39:24
  Speaker 1: Ball.
• 39:24
  Speaker 8: Yeah, And I think I think I like I see
• 39:28
  Speaker 8: it in I'm gonna say biath on and if I'm
• 39:31
  Speaker 8: watching hunting videos. Sometimes you see someone man, they're just
• 39:34
  Speaker 8: they don't have any good trigger work. And then they
• 39:37
  Speaker 8: also are just popping their head up to see if
• 39:39
  Speaker 8: they hit the target even before the shot goes off.
• 39:42
  Speaker 8: So like if your head's coming up before the recoil
• 39:44
  Speaker 8: goes you're more concerned about if you hit the animal.
• 39:48
  Speaker 8: I think that's a big thing. It's just having that
• 39:50
  Speaker 8: patience to be able to have that trigger squeeze, watch
• 39:52
  Speaker 8: it through the scope or your sites and see that
• 39:55
  Speaker 8: bullet hit the target.
• 39:56
  Speaker 2: I think that's a that's a huge one.
• 39:58
  Speaker 1: M It sounds like being a bad shot is not
• 40:01
  Speaker 1: an innate thing. Everybody just needs to shoot more, shoot
• 40:05
  Speaker 1: more often.
• 40:07
  Speaker 6: It's a skill, and I would say skills are trainable.
• 40:09
  Speaker 3: Yep.
• 40:10
  Speaker 1: Love that. Randall seth any questions for these fellas.
• 40:15
  Speaker 3: Man real quick. I don't I don't need the full
• 40:20
  Speaker 3: breakdown on your rifle, but it looks like it's a
• 40:22
  Speaker 3: straight poll a lot of stuff hanging off of it.
• 40:26
  Speaker 3: I'm curious if you could give us like the thirty
• 40:28
  Speaker 3: second rundown of what you compete with in terms of firearms.
• 40:32
  Speaker 3: And then also you must travel internationally with with your firearms.
• 40:36
  Speaker 3: Quite a bit, so I'm curious about that as well.
• 40:40
  Speaker 8: Yeah, so pretty much every single by athlete's gonna shoot
• 40:43
  Speaker 8: the exact same action in barrel. It's an on shoots
• 40:45
  Speaker 8: Fortner and it's just a straightfold action. Reason being is
• 40:50
  Speaker 8: because of that action and also a reliable good barrel.
• 40:54
  Speaker 8: There's amo testing and barrel testing that's done, so every
• 40:57
  Speaker 8: once in a while you'll have to get a new barrel.
• 41:00
  Speaker 8: But pretty much everybody's shooting the same thing. Where the
• 41:02
  Speaker 8: differentiating like factor is going to be for each athlete
• 41:06
  Speaker 8: is in the stock. Unfortunately, I don't have my rifle
• 41:09
  Speaker 8: here because they're all in rifle storage up at the venue.
• 41:12
  Speaker 2: Otherwise i'd be able to show you. But my stock,
• 41:14
  Speaker 2: I got a new one.
• 41:15
  Speaker 8: Back in twenty nineteen. It was made by a stockmaker
• 41:20
  Speaker 8: in Germany. He's kind of renowned as being one of
• 41:22
  Speaker 8: the best stock makers in the world. And it's all
• 41:24
  Speaker 8: about balance and fitting met anatomically my hands, eye, my arms,
• 41:31
  Speaker 8: my cheekbones, everything, and it's all open sites.
• 41:35
  Speaker 2: But then it weighs about three.
• 41:38
  Speaker 8: And a half kilos, just over seven pounds, and yeah,
• 41:43
  Speaker 8: and then you have a harness on so you can
• 41:45
  Speaker 8: put it on your back while you while your skiing. Now,
• 41:49
  Speaker 8: traveling with a rifle, honestly, as an American sometimes really
• 41:55
  Speaker 8: sucks because we don't have paperwork. Because all the Europeans
• 41:59
  Speaker 8: they all have rifle passport, so when they show up
• 42:01
  Speaker 8: to a country, they can show them their rifle passport.
• 42:03
  Speaker 8: They're like, okay, good you go. We show up here
• 42:06
  Speaker 8: and they're always asking us, oh, do you have like
• 42:08
  Speaker 8: your firearms license?
• 42:09
  Speaker 1: Do you have this?
• 42:10
  Speaker 8: And we're like, we're Americana that like my passport is
• 42:13
  Speaker 8: my firearm license? Like don't know what you're talking about.
• 42:15
  Speaker 11: And so a lot of times they're sitting there like, wait,
• 42:18
  Speaker 11: you don't have any But I'm like, usually what I
• 42:20
  Speaker 11: show them is just the customs form, the like four
• 42:22
  Speaker 11: four five seven, which is the form that allows you
• 42:26
  Speaker 11: to bring it back into the US.
• 42:27
  Speaker 8: And it's like oh okay cool. But so yeah, it
• 42:29
  Speaker 8: can be real pain. I would say, like South Korea
• 42:31
  Speaker 8: was a huge pain. China they didn't even let us
• 42:33
  Speaker 8: touch it. Like they took the rifles from the airport
• 42:36
  Speaker 8: and they put them in an armored vehicle and then
• 42:39
  Speaker 8: drove them to the venue for us. But once you
• 42:43
  Speaker 8: get in, it's it's pretty simple it's not not anything
• 42:47
  Speaker 8: crazy paperwork.
• 42:48
  Speaker 3: Cool.
• 42:49
  Speaker 4: What's the uh, what's the AMMO that you guys are shooting?
• 42:52
  Speaker 4: Is that like all factory stuff or someone like loading
• 42:55
  Speaker 4: that for you guys? And is everyone using the same ammo?
• 43:00
  Speaker 6: Yeah, that's all factory AMO.
• 43:02
  Speaker 10: So twenty two is it's not impossible to reload, but
• 43:05
  Speaker 10: nobody does it. Yeah, the way the priming system's done,
• 43:08
  Speaker 10: the powder and all that stuff. So most everyone on
• 43:10
  Speaker 10: the World Cup is using Lapua AMO and it's called
• 43:13
  Speaker 10: Lapua Polar Biathlon. This was a twenty two long rifle
• 43:17
  Speaker 10: round that was developed for shooting in cold temperature. So
• 43:20
  Speaker 10: it uses a different type of powder that's less sensitive
• 43:23
  Speaker 10: to temperature changes because whether it's you know, I don't know,
• 43:26
  Speaker 10: thirty five degrees fahrenheit or zero, we're using the same
• 43:30
  Speaker 10: stuff and we need to make sure that the velocity
• 43:32
  Speaker 10: is not going to change drastically as some other powders might.
• 43:36
  Speaker 6: That way we keep the accuracy.
• 43:38
  Speaker 10: It also has a special loob on the bullet which
• 43:39
  Speaker 10: functions better in cold weather. Most everyone's using the same stuff.
• 43:44
  Speaker 10: There are some teams that are using RWs now and
• 43:47
  Speaker 10: they've also developed a similar type of bullet and powder combination,
• 43:52
  Speaker 10: but most everyone uses lapula.
• 43:54
  Speaker 3: Nice love this.
• 43:56
  Speaker 1: Okay, lastly, tell us I guess what day your rate?
• 44:00
  Speaker 1: And I'm assuming that NBC Peacock is the best way,
• 44:04
  Speaker 1: but maybe there's another place on the internet to watch
• 44:07
  Speaker 1: your races. Paul.
• 44:09
  Speaker 8: Yeah, so we we have Bathlon has I think ten
• 44:15
  Speaker 8: race days in the in the Olympics. Here we have
• 44:20
  Speaker 8: that's gonna be split between both men's and women's. The
• 44:22
  Speaker 8: first race is going to be this Sunday, the mixed relay,
• 44:25
  Speaker 8: and then the men's individual is on Tuesday. The men's
• 44:29
  Speaker 8: sprint is on Friday, pursuit is on Sunday. Is it
• 44:34
  Speaker 8: Sunday Sunday? And then the relay is the next week
• 44:38
  Speaker 8: on the seventeenth, which I think is a Tuesday or Wednesday.
• 44:42
  Speaker 8: But yeah, you can find it all on Bathlon World
• 44:45
  Speaker 8: dot com or Bathlon Results dot com or on NBCM peacock.
• 44:50
  Speaker 1: Love it awesome, Thank you, well, good luck to you guys.
• 44:54
  Speaker 1: We'll be cheering you on from Bozeman, Montana. And you
• 44:59
  Speaker 1: say you stay, you stay you.
• 45:04
  Speaker 8: I want to share one last thing you guys, is
• 45:06
  Speaker 8: you say good luck. I think one thing that's really
• 45:08
  Speaker 8: cool here in Europe.
• 45:09
  Speaker 2: Or in Italy.
• 45:09
  Speaker 8: Specifically, if you're wishing someone luck, it's kind of a
• 45:12
  Speaker 8: call and response. Instead of just saying good luck, what
• 45:14
  Speaker 8: you would say is in bokopo to the person you're
• 45:17
  Speaker 8: wishing good luck, which means in the wolf's mouth, and
• 45:20
  Speaker 8: the person who respond preppy loopo, which means the wolf
• 45:22
  Speaker 8: is dead.
• 45:23
  Speaker 1: So preppy loopo and boco loopo in the wolf's mouth
• 45:30
  Speaker 1: and you respond with wolf is dead. I love that fast, Paul.
• 45:35
  Speaker 1: You're crushing it, dude, I see a top ten finishing
• 45:38
  Speaker 1: your future. Buddy. Thanks again for coming on, and uh
• 45:41
  Speaker 1: we'll be watching you here shortly. Thanks guys, that's great,
• 45:48
  Speaker 1: that's cool.
• 45:49
  Speaker 3: That's awesome, that Spencer.
• 45:52
  Speaker 1: If you don't like that, you know what I'm gonna
• 45:54
  Speaker 1: say to you.
• 45:58
  Speaker 3: Should we turn to our next guest?
• 46:01
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I was gonna say, let's move listener feed Let's
• 46:03
  Speaker 5: do a super sized listener feedback at the end of
• 46:05
  Speaker 5: the show. So we just do back to back interviews
• 46:07
  Speaker 5: here and then hip throw it back.
• 46:08
  Speaker 1: And then fine, Yeah, we don't want to we don't
• 46:10
  Speaker 1: want to keep our next uh our next guest waiting
• 46:14
  Speaker 1: too long. Uh So now we are joined by Wildlife
• 46:19
  Speaker 1: Officer extraordinaire, Demi, right from Colorado. Demi, welcome to the show.
• 46:26
  Speaker 9: Hi guys, thanks for having me. Super excited to be here.
• 46:29
  Speaker 1: Are you a Were you watching that last interview?
• 46:33
  Speaker 9: I was, Yeah, those guys are awesome.
• 46:35
  Speaker 1: Are you going to be watching? Are you know a
• 46:36
  Speaker 1: fan of the Olympics? Are you gonna be tuning in?
• 46:39
  Speaker 2: Yeah?
• 46:39
  Speaker 9: Absolutely, definitely gonna watch the Olympics. I can't I can't
• 46:42
  Speaker 9: believe how many rounds those guys shoot every year.
• 46:44
  Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, lucky. I guess if you, if you
• 46:49
  Speaker 1: have the right sponsor, you get to shoot all that
• 46:51
  Speaker 1: for free. Probably, Yeah, that's yeah, that's amazing. All right, Demi,
• 46:56
  Speaker 1: we came across you, I think most of us. I mean,
• 46:59
  Speaker 1: I'm sure a lot of peop watch and listen and
• 47:01
  Speaker 1: probably have seen your face or know your name, because
• 47:04
  Speaker 1: recently you had a big I think a big poaching
• 47:10
  Speaker 1: bus and it got a lot of press. So tell
• 47:13
  Speaker 1: us a little bit about that, that specific case and
• 47:16
  Speaker 1: and sort of I guess what, why did it get
• 47:18
  Speaker 1: so much praise?
• 47:20
  Speaker 9: Yeah? So, the recent cage case was a poaching case
• 47:25
  Speaker 9: with some active duty soldiers on Fort Carson, an Army
• 47:30
  Speaker 9: military installation here in Colorado Springs in Colorado, I cover
• 47:34
  Speaker 9: that installation and then they allow hunting and recreational opportunities
• 47:38
  Speaker 9: on that installation, and it's an incredible resource for civilians
• 47:43
  Speaker 9: to hunt on and for for members of the military.
• 47:46
  Speaker 9: But that poaching case involved six illegally taken deer, and
• 47:52
  Speaker 9: you know, it got it got a lot of attention,
• 47:57
  Speaker 9: which I wasn't expecting at all. We have a lot
• 48:01
  Speaker 9: of military in Colorado Springs, and so I think people
• 48:04
  Speaker 9: always want to know what's going on. And it was
• 48:06
  Speaker 9: pretty egregious. So I think people were really upset with
• 48:10
  Speaker 9: how many animals were taken. And you know, it's just, yeah,
• 48:15
  Speaker 9: I got some more attention than I thought it would.
• 48:18
  Speaker 1: Okay, Remind everybody, because I think a lot of times
• 48:21
  Speaker 1: when we hear about a poaching case, you're like, well,
• 48:24
  Speaker 1: it's just one or maybe even if it's just six deer, right,
• 48:27
  Speaker 1: or oh, someone had to eat, and it's sometimes it
• 48:30
  Speaker 1: can be easy to be like, well it's not that
• 48:33
  Speaker 1: bad until you see like thirty, you know, giant racks
• 48:36
  Speaker 1: that were poached. But remind everybody why poaching is bad.
• 48:41
  Speaker 9: Yeah, I mean, so hunting and poaching two different things, right,
• 48:45
  Speaker 9: you know, hunters are doing it legally and ethically responsibly.
• 48:48
  Speaker 9: They've got a license in their pocket. They're out there,
• 48:51
  Speaker 9: you know, to fill their freezers or carry on tradition
• 48:54
  Speaker 9: and heritage, have time with family and friends, you know,
• 48:57
  Speaker 9: doing all the right things and reaping the rewards of it.
• 49:00
  Speaker 9: And then poaching is just is a crime. It's just
• 49:02
  Speaker 9: straight up taking, you know, or pursuing wildlife illegally and
• 49:07
  Speaker 9: ultimately you know, legal ethical, responsible hunting funds, wildlife conservation.
• 49:12
  Speaker 9: You know, in Colorado and like many other states, hunting
• 49:16
  Speaker 9: and fishing licenses, fun wildlife conservation, and habitat management. So
• 49:20
  Speaker 9: when you're not paying into that pot, you're robbing legitimate
• 49:23
  Speaker 9: sports persons. And as a legitimate sports person, I'm not
• 49:28
  Speaker 9: cool with that. And I just happen to have this
• 49:30
  Speaker 9: patch that enforces those rules.
• 49:31
  Speaker 1: So okay, we'll get back to the case itself. But
• 49:35
  Speaker 1: I want to do like a few questions to just
• 49:38
  Speaker 1: kind of set us up here, What like, why did
• 49:42
  Speaker 1: you want to become a wildlife officer?
• 49:45
  Speaker 9: Yeah, question, I've thought about that a lot recently. Yeah,
• 49:51
  Speaker 9: I mean I grew up outdoors. I was outside since
• 49:54
  Speaker 9: since I was just a little one, you know, I
• 49:56
  Speaker 9: have barbie fishing pull in my hand way back back when.
• 50:00
  Speaker 9: And you know, I grew up around being outside, hiking, camping, voting.
• 50:05
  Speaker 9: I grew up around a hunting family. Hunting wasn't passed
• 50:09
  Speaker 9: down to me when I was when I was younger.
• 50:12
  Speaker 9: It just kind of skipped my generation. But you know,
• 50:14
  Speaker 9: I grew up butchering and processing, you know, all the
• 50:17
  Speaker 9: animals that were brought home.
• 50:18
  Speaker 2: And so I loved it.
• 50:19
  Speaker 9: And then I realized when I got older, I could
• 50:22
  Speaker 9: I could get paid for this and I actually have
• 50:24
  Speaker 9: you know, family members and the agency that I work for,
• 50:27
  Speaker 9: and so I spent a couple days in the summer
• 50:29
  Speaker 9: being volunt told to do some things. So I realized, yeah,
• 50:35
  Speaker 9: I want to do this. And then you know, I
• 50:37
  Speaker 9: knew I wanted to work for Colorado Parks and Wildlife.
• 50:40
  Speaker 9: I didn't really know and what you know, what aspect
• 50:43
  Speaker 9: I did. Then I realized I could be a wildlife
• 50:46
  Speaker 9: officer and serve a community, and so it all kind
• 50:50
  Speaker 9: of worked out. I'm also a people person, so I
• 50:53
  Speaker 9: didn't want to be a biologist because I need people
• 50:56
  Speaker 9: to talk to. Our biologists do incredible work. But I'm
• 51:00
  Speaker 9: kind of a yapper, so wildlife officer worked for me.
• 51:04
  Speaker 1: Okay, uh, what's a what's a normal day look like
• 51:08
  Speaker 1: for you? When they're when you don't have to like
• 51:10
  Speaker 1: go and you know, check up on some illegally shot deer.
• 51:14
  Speaker 1: You're just going. And I know that I'm very aware
• 51:17
  Speaker 1: of the breadth of what you do, So there might
• 51:19
  Speaker 1: not be an easy answer, But what's a normal day
• 51:22
  Speaker 1: for you look like?
• 51:24
  Speaker 9: Yeah, there is definitely no normal day. Every day is
• 51:28
  Speaker 9: different and that's that's certainly the feel of the job.
• 51:31
  Speaker 6: Right.
• 51:32
  Speaker 9: My truck's my office. So a normal day starts and
• 51:35
  Speaker 9: starts in my office in my truck. And you know,
• 51:39
  Speaker 9: maybe it's hunting season and it's that time. You know,
• 51:41
  Speaker 9: it's fall time, and I'm checking hunters for twelve or
• 51:43
  Speaker 9: fourteen hours a day, and maybe that's what my whole
• 51:46
  Speaker 9: day is. Or you know, maybe it's summer when you know,
• 51:49
  Speaker 9: in Colorado Springs is the urban wildlife interface and so
• 51:55
  Speaker 9: moving bears around and wrangling deer, and or maybe I'm
• 52:00
  Speaker 9: teaching hunter ed or I'm in a school doing you know,
• 52:02
  Speaker 9: a career career topic. I mean, no two days are
• 52:05
  Speaker 9: the same, which is truly the best part of this
• 52:08
  Speaker 9: job is I've never lived the same day twice.
• 52:11
  Speaker 3: So that's awesome.
• 52:13
  Speaker 1: That is a great reason to have your job. Okay,
• 52:16
  Speaker 1: so that's a normal day, which sounds awesome. Tell me
• 52:20
  Speaker 1: about how how many years have you been doing this job?
• 52:24
  Speaker 9: Yeah, I'm I would classify myself as a as a
• 52:27
  Speaker 9: baby officer. So I've been an officer now for three years.
• 52:31
  Speaker 9: I started with agency as an intern and then I
• 52:33
  Speaker 9: did some seasonal positions which was the most fun jobs ever,
• 52:38
  Speaker 9: all the fun stuff and now the responsibility. And so yeah,
• 52:42
  Speaker 9: officer for three years now.
• 52:44
  Speaker 1: In those three years, what's the most exciting day that
• 52:48
  Speaker 1: you've experienced on the job. What happened?
• 52:51
  Speaker 9: We have some exciting days. I'm not gonna lie. I
• 52:54
  Speaker 9: handle bears all the time. I've got a lot of
• 52:57
  Speaker 9: bears in my in my district that I cover, so
• 53:00
  Speaker 9: I usually have my hands on a bear two Those
• 53:04
  Speaker 9: days are exciting, especially when they're being honery and you know,
• 53:08
  Speaker 9: you can't predict what wild life is going to do,
• 53:11
  Speaker 9: especially when you're trying to pick up a bear. You know,
• 53:15
  Speaker 9: we we do some really cool stuff. You know, we
• 53:17
  Speaker 9: have big horned sheep traps that we do and that's
• 53:20
  Speaker 9: for some relocating to create different sheep herds, and that
• 53:24
  Speaker 9: is literally just going out and wrestling cheap. So there's
• 53:28
  Speaker 9: a lot of exciting days.
• 53:31
  Speaker 1: Okay, okay, fellas, any questions right now before I move
• 53:35
  Speaker 1: on here.
• 53:36
  Speaker 3: No, I'm just like the hands on stuff always just
• 53:40
  Speaker 3: grabs my imagination.
• 53:42
  Speaker 9: Yeah, the hands down stuff is why you do.
• 53:45
  Speaker 1: The job, right, Yeah, totally.
• 53:47
  Speaker 9: I want to touch a bear, all right.
• 53:51
  Speaker 1: So the article that I read, the many that I read,
• 53:54
  Speaker 1: said there was a moment identified where you identify or
• 54:00
  Speaker 1: associated vehicle with this crime that happened on Fort Carson,
• 54:05
  Speaker 1: But it didn't really say exactly how you did that.
• 54:08
  Speaker 1: Can you explain like how you all of a sudden
• 54:10
  Speaker 1: like figured out what vehicle was associated with the crime
• 54:13
  Speaker 1: and then tell me was that a sort of crux
• 54:16
  Speaker 1: of the investigation?
• 54:19
  Speaker 9: Yeah? So I was. You know, this this tip came
• 54:23
  Speaker 9: in from from a legitimate hunter who who'd found a
• 54:26
  Speaker 9: buck that had the antlers sawed off and and very
• 54:29
  Speaker 9: minimal meat taken, and and he called the Fort Carson
• 54:33
  Speaker 9: conservation officers, who are absolutely incredible to work with, and
• 54:36
  Speaker 9: so you know, they kind of called me in and said,
• 54:39
  Speaker 9: you know, we I think we have a poacher. So
• 54:42
  Speaker 9: went out there you know, looked at the buck. Obviously
• 54:46
  Speaker 9: this is not a legitimate harvest, and you know, quarters
• 54:49
  Speaker 9: aren't taken, tunderlines aren't taken, backstraps, I mean, just one
• 54:52
  Speaker 9: one small roast and the antler's cut off, and so
• 54:57
  Speaker 9: looking around for a spent cartridge, which is pretty impossible
• 55:00
  Speaker 9: on an active military installation, by the way, there's a
• 55:05
  Speaker 9: lot of sped cartridges. And you know, find find another
• 55:09
  Speaker 9: dough with the exact same same grunt roast taken and
• 55:12
  Speaker 9: that's it. But near those two carcasses, found some boot tracks.
• 55:18
  Speaker 9: Followed those boot tracks off of the installation.
• 55:22
  Speaker 1: Sorry to interject, but dirt tracking or snow tracking a.
• 55:26
  Speaker 9: Little bit of bolt. There wasn't a lot of snow
• 55:28
  Speaker 9: on the ground. There was snow in some parts, but
• 55:30
  Speaker 9: it was yeah, it was mostly dirt. So yeah, followed
• 55:35
  Speaker 9: the boot tracks off the installation, found some tire tracks.
• 55:38
  Speaker 9: It happened to be near a wild land firefighter housing.
• 55:43
  Speaker 9: So you know, we just me and the conservation officers
• 55:46
  Speaker 9: for Fort Carson popped in there and firefighters saw vehicle
• 55:49
  Speaker 9: there within the last couple of days. And I knew
• 55:53
  Speaker 9: that those carcasses were one maybe two days old, so
• 55:58
  Speaker 9: they're like, yeah, this this vehicle was he it was weird.
• 56:00
  Speaker 9: We took a picture of it, so that kind of
• 56:03
  Speaker 9: linked up my guy and found the registered owner of
• 56:05
  Speaker 9: that vehicle because they took the picture, ran them through
• 56:09
  Speaker 9: our systems. Never had a license, which of course led
• 56:12
  Speaker 9: me to his social media, myself and the conservation officers
• 56:16
  Speaker 9: to his social media where he certainly had some animals
• 56:20
  Speaker 9: on there, but no license.
• 56:22
  Speaker 1: Well, yeah, that brings up the question because we've talked
• 56:26
  Speaker 1: to enough wildlife officers over the years and more and
• 56:31
  Speaker 1: more it seems like what's bringing these fools down is
• 56:36
  Speaker 1: social media and like and we've heard like it's a
• 56:39
  Speaker 1: big part of your job, right where you can actually
• 56:42
  Speaker 1: like get a lot of work done just by perusing
• 56:44
  Speaker 1: social media.
• 56:46
  Speaker 9: Yeah, no, absolutely, I mean everybody takes pictures of what
• 56:51
  Speaker 9: they do, you know, and especially if you think it's
• 56:53
  Speaker 9: something cool, and everybody's got a cell phone in their pocket,
• 56:57
  Speaker 9: and so yeah, in this case, for the case twenty something,
• 57:02
  Speaker 9: people definitely take pictures of the things that they shoot at,
• 57:05
  Speaker 9: and so we use that to our advantage. I mean
• 57:08
  Speaker 9: we're gonna use every I'm going to use every tool
• 57:10
  Speaker 9: I have. So if I've got to get a warrant
• 57:12
  Speaker 9: for your social media. That's fine, I can do that.
• 57:16
  Speaker 1: Unreal, unreal? What else was I gonna ask you? Oh,
• 57:23
  Speaker 1: as a part of the punishment, I read that they're
• 57:28
  Speaker 1: given some pretty hefty fines and then they're still sort
• 57:31
  Speaker 1: of waiting to see what kind of revocations is that
• 57:36
  Speaker 1: the right word, will happen of their hunting and fishing licenses,
• 57:40
  Speaker 1: and it might be country wide because of the interstate
• 57:45
  Speaker 1: compact that we have in place now. So that's awesome.
• 57:51
  Speaker 1: When I saw the numbers, I was like, oh good,
• 57:52
  Speaker 1: they're gonna get hit pretty hard. But you're also taking
• 57:55
  Speaker 1: their rifle. The rifle, though, is being destroyed, and often
• 58:00
  Speaker 1: times that can like it gets a little like people
• 58:03
  Speaker 1: get upset when guns are are destroyed. So why because
• 58:08
  Speaker 1: I've heard that oftentimes heads and hides can be auctioned off,
• 58:12
  Speaker 1: that are heads and hides that come from poaching cases,
• 58:14
  Speaker 1: and then that money can get put back into wildlife.
• 58:17
  Speaker 1: So why destroy this weapon versus possibly auctioning it off
• 58:21
  Speaker 1: and using that money for wildlife.
• 58:24
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 58:25
  Speaker 9: No, that's a great question, and everybody asks it, and
• 58:28
  Speaker 9: the answer is, you know, it's it's state law. So
• 58:30
  Speaker 9: it's Colorado state statute that this this firearm has been
• 58:34
  Speaker 9: deemed the public nuisance, and so that happens judicially. That's
• 58:38
  Speaker 9: not something that Colorado Parks and Wildlife makes the call on.
• 58:41
  Speaker 9: And so you know, we follow the law and we
• 58:44
  Speaker 9: listen to what the core system tells us. So it
• 58:47
  Speaker 9: does get destroyed. We do have some hides that go
• 58:50
  Speaker 9: to auction, and those are like roadkill mortality hides that
• 58:54
  Speaker 9: will go to auction and that money comes back into
• 58:57
  Speaker 9: the general pot. But with the firearm, yeah, it's it's
• 59:00
  Speaker 9: the court's decision. But I heard everybody loud and clear.
• 59:04
  Speaker 2: On that one.
• 59:06
  Speaker 3: Well, I don't want to be a snob, and I
• 59:07
  Speaker 3: didn't get a good look at that thing, But I
• 59:09
  Speaker 3: don't think it's going to bring in a ton of
• 59:11
  Speaker 3: conservation funding.
• 59:12
  Speaker 1: It's not anything Radel. You're not gonna bid on that one.
• 59:19
  Speaker 3: No, No, I don't think that's even worth the gun broker,
• 59:23
  Speaker 3: you know, bumping it up with the listings, like paying
• 59:25
  Speaker 3: for extra photos and stuff like that.
• 59:27
  Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, Debbie. For folks that you know hear this,
• 59:32
  Speaker 1: or they've been thinking about it, Young folks out there
• 59:35
  Speaker 1: thinking about what they're going to do with their lives,
• 59:38
  Speaker 1: thinking they could possibly do the job that you do.
• 59:40
  Speaker 1: It sounds pretty awesome. Give us some advice and maybe
• 59:45
  Speaker 1: some sort of the baseline education that you need to
• 59:50
  Speaker 1: get involved in doing what you do.
• 59:53
  Speaker 9: Yeah, so in the state of Colorado, you do have
• 59:56
  Speaker 9: to have a four year degree in a natural resource
• 59:59
  Speaker 9: field and then you go through a whole onboarding process.
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 9: You know that that you would for kind of any
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 9: peace officer position, So your background checks, polygraph psyche out,
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 9: all the fun stuff. And then when you get the job,
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 9: you go to police Academy for six months, and then
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 9: after that you go to Colorado Parks and Wildlife's Academy.
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 9: They teach you all kinds of fun things and snowmobile training,
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 9: horseback riding training, wildlife forensics. It's all the cool stuff
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 9: that you got into the job for. So that's kind
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 9: of the education and then what you can expect if
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 9: you're hired. But you know, if you're if you're looking
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 9: at this job, just get involved with whatever you know,
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 9: state agency that you can volunteer, spend your time with people,
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 9: show them that you can work hard, go on ride
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 9: alongs with the officers. You know, if you want to
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 9: be an officer, I'd say you really, you know, really
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 9: understand the job before before you get into it. It
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 9: can be a really huge commitment. It's one of the
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 9: most rewarding jobs in the world. I can't I can't
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 9: picture I mean anything else, but just really understand what
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 9: you're signing up for and get involved as much as
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 9: you can and just stick with it. Listen more than
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 9: you speak, and yeah, just just stick with it. It's tough,
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 9: but once you get in, you're in.
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 1: So mm I like that you said that. I like
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 1: always like the quote about you have two ears and
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 1: one mouth, you should use them.
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 3: And that's good advice for any anyone interested in any
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 3: career field.
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 1: I think, yeah, yeah, it is Seth and Randall.
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 3: I don't have any questions. I just you know, I
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 3: always appreciate folks out there putting themselves in uncomfortable situations
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 3: to protect our shared resources. And there's just like everything
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 3: that we love depends on people committing themselves to protecting that.
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 3: So hats off and promising start a young career, but
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 3: a promising start, you know, let us know when you
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 3: have your next big bust, we'll get you back on here.
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 9: Thanks guys, Yeah, thanks, thanks so much for the kind words,
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 9: really really happy to be here, and yeah, sure a
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 9: little bit of what's going on in this world.
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 1: Thank you, Demy. Good luck in the future, Thank you,
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 1: Thanks Demy.
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 3: Sea to Stellar guests today, Yannie, you good.
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 1: I can't take I think I can take credit for
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 1: DEMI because I did send the article to UH to Jake,
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 1: our producer, and asked him to line that up. And
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 1: then I don't know exactly who lined up Paul and Matt,
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 1: but yeah, I've enjoyed that. It's a time for some
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 1: listener feedback.
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 5: Phil, Yeah, well what we're probably only going to do
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 5: one listener feedback. Do you want to do throwback? And
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 5: then we can just hit keep going.
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 3: We can keep this thing going, Phil.
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 5: We'll say that for March.
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 1: Who wants to go first? Our throwbacks first? Oh, this
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 1: is very important. I'm gonna milk all these.
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 5: I'm gonna milk for the next month.
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 1: In nineteen seventy I can't believe it. Did I mentioned
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 1: Stephen Ronie As I don't think I had heard that one. Yeah,
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 1: oh great, fantastic's that's one of my favorits.
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 1: Oh, Corey Colkin's just texted me. He must be listening
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 1: and he said, Uh, I lined up, Paul, Come on bro,
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 1: Sorry Corey, Sorry Corey.
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 3: Shout out to the whole team here.
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a group of groups, not just us group.
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 1: I didn't have shit for this one group effort. All right,
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 1: who's going first, doctor.
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 3: I'll go first. I don't think Yanni realized when he
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 3: sent out this, uh, this query for photos from twenty
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 3: years ago. I don't think he realized it. Seth and
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 3: I were both still in high school.
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 1: No, I realized that. Yeah. I was half hoping that
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 1: we could even have a fourth person in here that
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 1: was even younger, and all of a sudden we'd have
• 1:04:10
  Speaker 1: a well there is you're in diapers fill in the corner.
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 5: Yeah, you're not gonna get me in diapers twenty years ago.
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 5: But I do. I do have a picture.
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I wanted to share good I wanted to share
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 3: my my high school football photo.
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 1: But is that it?
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 3: No, that's not it.
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 1: I say, I've seen that photo. It's a good one.
• 1:04:28
  Speaker 1: Maybe bringing out for the grand finale of Yeah, and
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 1: I realized I was twenty.
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 3: That was twenty twenty four, so you know it's not
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 3: quite But this is twenty years ago. This is me
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 3: living my Best Life summer of twenty twenty six. Actually,
• 1:04:46
  Speaker 3: I was probably home from the first twenty Oh I'm
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 3: sorry two thousand and six. Okay, I think I was
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 3: probably actually home for my first year college working for
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 3: a company called pro Clean Restoration Incorporated. Uh. We had
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 3: an office on Columbia Parkway there in Cincinnati. I sound
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 3: like rain Man when I do that. Columbia Parkway, Cincinnati, Ohio,
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 3: eight to eight Oak.
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 5: Street or whatever.
• 1:05:12
  Speaker 3: But yeah, so I bring up where I'm working because
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 3: as you can see on this T shirt, it's covered
• 1:05:18
  Speaker 3: in paint and deck stain. And also that hat is
• 1:05:22
  Speaker 3: a bass pro Shops hat that was I used as
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 3: a wiping rag, and so it actually weighed perhaps two
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 3: and a quarter pounds with all of the cedar tone
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 3: deck stain as we called it sa dub that I'd
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 3: absorbed into this hat fully weather proof or for a
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 3: real long time fishing with nightcrawlers in the Little Miami River.
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 3: That is a Bass Pro Shops bait casting combo. I
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 3: think it's probably got some pretty heavy mono on there,
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 3: judging by the reflection of the light, and just a
• 1:05:54
  Speaker 3: real simple nightcrawler on the bottom. Looks like I got
• 1:05:57
  Speaker 3: an egg sinker there and a really crappy landing net
• 1:06:01
  Speaker 3: that the foam had ripped off the handle. But you know,
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 3: it's always fun to net fish instead of just dragging
• 1:06:07
  Speaker 3: them up on the bank.
• 1:06:08
  Speaker 1: Let me guess, like a seven pound channel cat. Is
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 1: that what I'm looking at? Yeah?
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 3: I think that's a good estimation.
• 1:06:18
  Speaker 1: Did I get the species right?
• 1:06:20
  Speaker 3: Yes? But what I like about that one, well, what
• 1:06:24
  Speaker 3: I like about that one in particular is that the
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 3: tail is hanging out of the net, which I think
• 1:06:29
  Speaker 3: always adds to always adds exactly.
• 1:06:34
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it looks like it's going to slap you in
• 1:06:35
  Speaker 1: the face.
• 1:06:36
  Speaker 3: You get a king salmon in the net and you
• 1:06:39
  Speaker 3: got the big tail flopping over the side. That's a
• 1:06:41
  Speaker 3: good fish, no matter how big the net is.
• 1:06:42
  Speaker 1: Oh, I need to go catch one of those one
• 1:06:44
  Speaker 1: day by fall nets. Let's go right now, All right, seth,
• 1:06:47
  Speaker 1: Let's go back twenty years ago? Has almost twenty almost twenty,
• 1:06:52
  Speaker 1: we'll say it's eighteen does two thousand and eight?
• 1:06:55
  Speaker 4: Oh oh yeah, that guy doing some fur trapping had
• 1:06:58
  Speaker 4: a to be a good day of raccoon trapping. I
• 1:07:04
  Speaker 4: used to back when I was in high school. I
• 1:07:06
  Speaker 4: used to run a line every every season basically, and
• 1:07:09
  Speaker 4: I would get up and check the line before school
• 1:07:13
  Speaker 4: and then go into school.
• 1:07:16
  Speaker 5: But yeah, this was just a day of coon trapping.
• 1:07:19
  Speaker 4: Got the one on the left there is, uh, I'll
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 4: point out as quite a large one.
• 1:07:25
  Speaker 1: And back in those days, raccoons were going.
• 1:07:27
  Speaker 4: For a decent price. Remember I got like fifty eight
• 1:07:30
  Speaker 4: bucks for raccoon back then one time, and that was
• 1:07:33
  Speaker 4: flashed and stretched. Yeah, yeah, sold it through the North
• 1:07:37
  Speaker 4: American Fur Auction NAFA, which is no longer a thing.
• 1:07:40
  Speaker 3: What I like about this picture is that it could
• 1:07:43
  Speaker 3: be from twenty years ago, or it could be from
• 1:07:45
  Speaker 3: forty years ago. It's it's a timeless image.
• 1:07:48
  Speaker 5: It's two thousand and one, Dodge fifteen.
• 1:07:51
  Speaker 3: What's the sticker on the left? Is that a Monster
• 1:07:53
  Speaker 3: Energy drink sticker?
• 1:07:54
  Speaker 9: No?
• 1:07:54
  Speaker 1: No, that's a Hunter Specialty sticker?
• 1:07:56
  Speaker 3: Oh good?
• 1:07:57
  Speaker 4: And on the on the right there's Thompson Center and
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 4: the Hunter Safety System there. God, And if I'm repeating it,
• 1:08:03
  Speaker 4: if I'm doing what you did, I'll go with I'm
• 1:08:05
  Speaker 4: wearing a scent lock hat and the Antler King T shirt.
• 1:08:09
  Speaker 4: Back when I was playing a lot of food plots
• 1:08:11
  Speaker 4: and stuff.
• 1:08:12
  Speaker 1: And how old were you? Uh, fourteen. Was your was
• 1:08:19
  Speaker 1: your gosh, youngster?
• 1:08:21
  Speaker 3: Yeah?
• 1:08:22
  Speaker 1: Could you?
• 1:08:23
  Speaker 3: Could you zoom in on his face?
• 1:08:24
  Speaker 5: I must can't quickly sometimes.
• 1:08:28
  Speaker 3: Don't worry about it. Film. That's terrible, Seth, was your
• 1:08:32
  Speaker 3: was your father an American flag and your mother a
• 1:08:35
  Speaker 3: issue of fur Fishing Game magazine? Because you look like
• 1:08:39
  Speaker 3: if you hasked AI to make to make the American
• 1:08:43
  Speaker 3: the young American Trapper, this would be it.
• 1:08:45
  Speaker 1: It was a Trapper and Predator color magazine.
• 1:08:48
  Speaker 3: God, that's good exactly, this is good. Yeah. Yeah.
• 1:08:52
  Speaker 2: Uh.
• 1:08:52
  Speaker 1: The first thing that caught my eye is that, uh,
• 1:08:56
  Speaker 1: Seth has been rocking the same eyebrows his entire life
• 1:09:00
  Speaker 1: pretty much.
• 1:09:01
  Speaker 4: Yeah, that runs in the family. They've actually just been
• 1:09:03
  Speaker 4: getting I noticed these days. They just get wilder with
• 1:09:07
  Speaker 4: every year that passes. I'm getting like the Bryan Callahan. Yeah,
• 1:09:12
  Speaker 4: eyebrows lately.
• 1:09:14
  Speaker 3: I started on trimming mine. Every now and then, I'll
• 1:09:16
  Speaker 3: get a white one. I'll get a long one that curls.
• 1:09:18
  Speaker 4: Oh yeah, I'll get a long one that comes down
• 1:09:20
  Speaker 4: and is I can see it in my vision.
• 1:09:22
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Next thing they'll poke in the eye. That happens
• 1:09:25
  Speaker 1: to me every now and then if I don't stay
• 1:09:26
  Speaker 1: on top of it, all right, Phil, let's see your
• 1:09:29
  Speaker 1: photo from years ago? Sure?
• 1:09:32
  Speaker 5: Yeah, well so I I already showed. We did a
• 1:09:34
  Speaker 5: throwback Thursday where Spencer asked people to bring in fishing
• 1:09:37
  Speaker 5: photos and I actually had one from almost exactly twenty
• 1:09:40
  Speaker 5: years ago that they already showed.
• 1:09:42
  Speaker 1: But you didn't do that one. No, I didn't.
• 1:09:43
  Speaker 5: I'm not doing that one again. So I decided to
• 1:09:45
  Speaker 5: use a picture pictures from my natural habitat in high school,
• 1:09:48
  Speaker 5: which was which was the band room I let in
• 1:09:52
  Speaker 5: high school. There's me in the middle there. That's what
• 1:09:56
  Speaker 5: my hair was for most of high school. It was
• 1:09:58
  Speaker 5: very cool. I love you should bring that pretty much
• 1:10:03
  Speaker 5: any extracurricular band activity I could do. It was. It
• 1:10:07
  Speaker 5: was my thing. I was very cool.
• 1:10:08
  Speaker 1: You could say, did you have a MySpace page?
• 1:10:10
  Speaker 5: Yeah, of course I did? You know I I You know,
• 1:10:14
  Speaker 5: I spent way too much time choosing the music that
• 1:10:17
  Speaker 5: would play. You know. Actually I had a zanga before
• 1:10:20
  Speaker 5: my Space.
• 1:10:20
  Speaker 3: Did you ever tell your parents? You'll never understand.
• 1:10:26
  Speaker 1: I wasn't that bad.
• 1:10:28
  Speaker 5: Probably I probably had had the thought a few.
• 1:10:30
  Speaker 3: The hair is pretty intimidated.
• 1:10:31
  Speaker 5: The hair is the hair is very good. I might
• 1:10:32
  Speaker 5: bring it back. What do you guys think I would
• 1:10:35
  Speaker 5: just to go for it. That's good.
• 1:10:37
  Speaker 1: What would your gal say? I?
• 1:10:40
  Speaker 5: Well, my my hair was about that long when I
• 1:10:43
  Speaker 5: met my wife and it worked back then.
• 1:10:44
  Speaker 3: Fill out, boys, that's a good And is.
• 1:10:48
  Speaker 1: That a trombone? That is a trombone?
• 1:10:51
  Speaker 2: Uh?
• 1:10:52
  Speaker 5: It's it's a large board trombone with a little valve
• 1:10:54
  Speaker 5: to that helps you play the lower notes a little
• 1:10:57
  Speaker 5: bit more more easily.
• 1:10:59
  Speaker 3: Were you wearing on hided skater shoes in this photto?
• 1:11:02
  Speaker 1: Probably? Yes?
• 1:11:03
  Speaker 5: Actually a yeah, no, it would It would have been
• 1:11:09
  Speaker 5: like Vans or something.
• 1:11:10
  Speaker 3: You're probably too young for Jenko jeans.
• 1:11:13
  Speaker 5: To I never owned a pair of Janco's, but my
• 1:11:16
  Speaker 5: cooler cousins had had Jenco nice.
• 1:11:19
  Speaker 1: All right, there's that I was able to skip those,
• 1:11:22
  Speaker 1: all right, Last, but not least. It's good, Phil, Thank you.
• 1:11:26
  Speaker 1: This photto I believe is circa two thousand. This is
• 1:11:30
  Speaker 1: the first bull Elk that I killed and recovered. Unfortunately,
• 1:11:37
  Speaker 1: the year before when I was this is my first
• 1:11:39
  Speaker 1: year that I was guiding, and I was able to
• 1:11:43
  Speaker 1: take off the first rifle season in Colorado hunt with
• 1:11:45
  Speaker 1: my dad and a couple other of our friends. And unfortunately,
• 1:11:50
  Speaker 1: the year before the outfitter taken me out on the
• 1:11:53
  Speaker 1: last day of our DIY hunt. He realized that we
• 1:11:56
  Speaker 1: hadn't seen an elk let alone killed one, and I
• 1:11:59
  Speaker 1: shot one range and probably shot him in the guts.
• 1:12:03
  Speaker 1: We looked for a day and a half, couldn't find him.
• 1:12:07
  Speaker 1: It was found, maybe I don't know, a week later
• 1:12:10
  Speaker 1: by another guy bear on top of the carcass. So
• 1:12:13
  Speaker 1: Lesson learned there, when the elk is at fifty yards,
• 1:12:17
  Speaker 1: you don't have your scope cranked up to nine. Hard
• 1:12:20
  Speaker 1: to know where the bullet's gonna hit. Right, But great morning,
• 1:12:25
  Speaker 1: this is opening morning, and I, uh, I wanted to
• 1:12:29
  Speaker 1: hunt the top of this particular I call it a mountain.
• 1:12:32
  Speaker 1: It's it's uh mountain makes it sound a little too big.
• 1:12:37
  Speaker 1: It's uh, it's a nice it's it's got it's a
• 1:12:39
  Speaker 1: big ridge, you know, that has an apex to it,
• 1:12:42
  Speaker 1: and the elk like to go out there, and a
• 1:12:44
  Speaker 1: lot of the other folks hunting that area. It's too
• 1:12:47
  Speaker 1: big of a climb form, so it's kind of left
• 1:12:49
  Speaker 1: left to those that wanted to make the walk up there.
• 1:12:52
  Speaker 1: And I'd hunted basically my way all the way up
• 1:12:54
  Speaker 1: to the ridge to the very tippy top and hadn't
• 1:12:58
  Speaker 1: seen nothing, and it was pound in snow, just a
• 1:13:01
  Speaker 1: full blizzard a lot of times, you know, visibility less
• 1:13:03
  Speaker 1: than one hundred yards, and I'm kind of once I
• 1:13:06
  Speaker 1: turned around on the top, I kind of gave up
• 1:13:08
  Speaker 1: and said, ah, you know, I'm just gonna have my
• 1:13:11
  Speaker 1: rifle like slung on my shoulder. And I'm more kind
• 1:13:14
  Speaker 1: of mosey and ding dong and back down the same
• 1:13:16
  Speaker 1: ridge head and heading back towards camp than hunting. And
• 1:13:20
  Speaker 1: I think because of the snow storm limited visibility, I
• 1:13:24
  Speaker 1: stop at one point and I look and there's a
• 1:13:26
  Speaker 1: bull standing there close fifty sixty yards, you know, and
• 1:13:29
  Speaker 1: he's looking at me but just couldn't figure make me
• 1:13:33
  Speaker 1: out or whatever, and it had enough time to take
• 1:13:35
  Speaker 1: my Model seven hundred BdL oh rand uh huh, which
• 1:13:42
  Speaker 1: I did a little searching on this this morning, and
• 1:13:46
  Speaker 1: I'd forgotten what ADL BdL CDL stands for. Can you
• 1:13:51
  Speaker 1: answer that question?
• 1:13:52
  Speaker 3: Well, the ADL is is the blind mag right, yes,
• 1:13:55
  Speaker 3: And then the BdL is a floorplate.
• 1:13:58
  Speaker 1: Uh huh.
• 1:13:59
  Speaker 3: This CDL box meg.
• 1:14:01
  Speaker 1: I think the CDL is still hinged forlor plate. But
• 1:14:03
  Speaker 1: there's just some other fancy you know, more satin on
• 1:14:07
  Speaker 1: the walnut and it's just a little bit fancier. But
• 1:14:10
  Speaker 1: what I found really funny is that the DL stands
• 1:14:13
  Speaker 1: for Deluxe. Oh yeah, the A stands for average and yeah,
• 1:14:22
  Speaker 1: so you go from average deluxe to better Deluxe to
• 1:14:26
  Speaker 1: classic deluxe. So no matter what, what's seven hundred you by,
• 1:14:30
  Speaker 1: you're getting a deluxe rifle, but just average, better or classic.
• 1:14:37
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:14:37
  Speaker 1: My dad gave me that rifle when I was I
• 1:14:40
  Speaker 1: don't know, fifteen, sixteen years old, and it was one
• 1:14:43
  Speaker 1: of those deals. I wasn't expecting a rifle. I hadn't
• 1:14:45
  Speaker 1: asked for a rifle, but he just comes up to me.
• 1:14:47
  Speaker 1: We're actually out a Latvian like social function, and he
• 1:14:50
  Speaker 1: just whispers in my ear, I just got your rifle.
• 1:14:53
  Speaker 1: Well I was like, oh, that's boys. That's never happened
• 1:14:57
  Speaker 1: to me in my life where someone just like.
• 1:14:59
  Speaker 3: Am I man now Dad?
• 1:15:00
  Speaker 1: Yeah? Well he like it's one of those things like
• 1:15:02
  Speaker 1: you're not expecting a present like that, but like it
• 1:15:05
  Speaker 1: was secret, right, and it was kind of like, yeah,
• 1:15:08
  Speaker 1: don't tell anybody because it costs money. We need to
• 1:15:10
  Speaker 1: just like we'll just work it into the He was
• 1:15:13
  Speaker 1: long divorced from my mother at that time. But anyways, Yeah,
• 1:15:17
  Speaker 1: so I shot the bull Remington corlocked. Mm hmm. You
• 1:15:22
  Speaker 1: can see where this story is gonna go. I shoot
• 1:15:24
  Speaker 1: him once later to find out in the heart he jumps,
• 1:15:28
  Speaker 1: I shoot him again. Another part of this story is
• 1:15:31
  Speaker 1: when he jumps, he jumps a couple of yards whatever.
• 1:15:34
  Speaker 1: He's standing in a new spot. I look back to
• 1:15:36
  Speaker 1: where he was just standing. Now this is a night
• 1:15:38
  Speaker 1: This is if you're not looking at the photo, this
• 1:15:40
  Speaker 1: is like a very small, probably two year old four
• 1:15:43
  Speaker 1: point bull. Where he was standing is probably a three
• 1:15:45
  Speaker 1: year old five point And I'm like, d look at that,
• 1:15:48
  Speaker 1: you know. So I've got two shots in him, and
• 1:15:52
  Speaker 1: he's sort of like in that moment, starts taking off
• 1:15:55
  Speaker 1: and I just take off after him, and I get
• 1:15:58
  Speaker 1: another shot in him. I don't know where that that
• 1:16:01
  Speaker 1: one hits. He keeps going. I run, I don't know,
• 1:16:04
  Speaker 1: close to another one hundred yards and kind of end
• 1:16:06
  Speaker 1: up in the timber and his downfall and he kind
• 1:16:08
  Speaker 1: of gets caught up. I'm sure he's gonna die at
• 1:16:10
  Speaker 1: that point, but he's not dead yet. So I put
• 1:16:12
  Speaker 1: a fourth shot into him. He ends up having three
• 1:16:15
  Speaker 1: in the heart and one in the lungs. Whoa, and
• 1:16:18
  Speaker 1: uh again, maybe would have died from the first one.
• 1:16:22
  Speaker 1: But it's just like I had already been around long
• 1:16:24
  Speaker 1: enough to know that, Like with those elk, you just
• 1:16:26
  Speaker 1: keep shooting until they're not until they're tongues hanging out.
• 1:16:32
  Speaker 1: If you want to go through the attire, I want
• 1:16:35
  Speaker 1: to say that was a Eldor ski resort, like just
• 1:16:38
  Speaker 1: like a wool beanie I was wearing. I was wearing
• 1:16:41
  Speaker 1: probably a Patagonia flee with a probably Patagonia kapeline underneath it.
• 1:16:46
  Speaker 1: Cabella's shamois or shammy. Remember that it was like a
• 1:16:51
  Speaker 1: soft brush cotton. Yeah. We love those pants because they
• 1:16:55
  Speaker 1: were so quiet and for whatever reason, I thought that
• 1:16:59
  Speaker 1: suspenders were also a hip at the time. But uh yeah,
• 1:17:03
  Speaker 1: my first bull elk love it. Two thousand, that's cool.
• 1:17:06
  Speaker 1: What was the rifle chamberda in thirty? At six? I
• 1:17:10
  Speaker 1: forgot I mis mentioning that. Yeah, at six, probably was
• 1:17:14
  Speaker 1: shooting one eighty core locks.
• 1:17:16
  Speaker 3: I guess killed a lot of animals with one eighty
• 1:17:19
  Speaker 3: cor locks.
• 1:17:19
  Speaker 1: Yep. Yeah, all right, now the long awaited We're only
• 1:17:24
  Speaker 1: seventeen minutes behind, but let's do some listener feedback.
• 1:17:28
  Speaker 5: Sure, A couple of shoutouts here. First is from Bryson.
• 1:17:32
  Speaker 5: I'd love to get a shout out to my son
• 1:17:33
  Speaker 5: who turns two today and was the only three month
• 1:17:36
  Speaker 5: old when he attended the Boise Meat Eater Live show
• 1:17:38
  Speaker 5: two years ago, which made him the youngest attendee. Happy Birthday,
• 1:17:43
  Speaker 5: Happy birth Birthday. And we also had another shout out
• 1:17:47
  Speaker 5: here too that I will find at some point. But
• 1:17:51
  Speaker 5: there's a first.
• 1:17:52
  Speaker 3: McCullough was going on a Havelena hunt.
• 1:17:55
  Speaker 1: Oh yes, did you see that one somewhere?
• 1:17:59
  Speaker 3: Uh live?
• 1:18:01
  Speaker 5: Okay, I'll find it later. Uh cranky surf. When is
• 1:18:04
  Speaker 5: Randall's haircut? Will there be a raffle to determine how
• 1:18:07
  Speaker 5: much is cut off?
• 1:18:10
  Speaker 3: Still don't know when my haircut is. We have a
• 1:18:13
  Speaker 3: listener who's a barber who's offered to cut my hair
• 1:18:17
  Speaker 3: on the radio media to Radio Live Finale, Grand Finale Spectacular,
• 1:18:25
  Speaker 3: but he lives in Maine, so I haven't yet been
• 1:18:28
  Speaker 3: able to determine whether that will happen. As far as
• 1:18:31
  Speaker 3: how much is getting cut off, pretty much just the
• 1:18:34
  Speaker 3: stuff that's getting in my ears. I need to keep
• 1:18:38
  Speaker 3: it long in the back because it's sweet and I
• 1:18:41
  Speaker 3: need to keep it long. On top to hide the
• 1:18:43
  Speaker 3: bald spot that has grown and grown in recent years.
• 1:18:46
  Speaker 3: So I'm just hanging on by a thread to my youth.
• 1:18:49
  Speaker 1: So the haircut would the haircut.
• 1:18:52
  Speaker 3: If I cut it all off, it will be surrendering
• 1:18:54
  Speaker 3: to father time.
• 1:18:55
  Speaker 5: So mo Gore asks, Yanni, how are the little or
• 1:19:02
  Speaker 5: big kiddies doing in your area?
• 1:19:05
  Speaker 1: And Mingus and I have not been bothering them, if that?
• 1:19:09
  Speaker 1: If that, hopefully that answers your question. As far as
• 1:19:11
  Speaker 1: I know, the population is doing great. But yeah, we've
• 1:19:15
  Speaker 1: just had like sort of a streak of bad luck.
• 1:19:19
  Speaker 1: We've had tracks, a lot of tracks have gone on
• 1:19:21
  Speaker 1: to private which we haven't been able to follow. We've
• 1:19:25
  Speaker 1: had tracks that have just filled in with snow. We've
• 1:19:27
  Speaker 1: had tracks that have we've lost on bear hillsides, which
• 1:19:31
  Speaker 1: are common around these parts. Right now, we have caught
• 1:19:34
  Speaker 1: a bobcat this year, which was quite the accomplishment for Mingus.
• 1:19:38
  Speaker 1: He caught his first bobcat. But the big ones, I've
• 1:19:42
  Speaker 1: not seen one in a tree yet. This year I
• 1:19:44
  Speaker 1: will be going out, I believe Friday or Saturday and
• 1:19:49
  Speaker 1: keep after it great.
• 1:19:52
  Speaker 5: Will there be more Meat Eater Kids episodes coming soon?
• 1:19:54
  Speaker 5: This is from Chad, Chad, we are they're not going
• 1:19:57
  Speaker 5: to be in the same format that we did the
• 1:20:00
  Speaker 5: first three seasons, and so we're currently cooking up some
• 1:20:03
  Speaker 5: new kids content. How's that for alliteration? And but it's
• 1:20:07
  Speaker 5: probably still a few few months down the road. But
• 1:20:10
  Speaker 5: keep your eyes peeled and keep him on that on
• 1:20:12
  Speaker 5: that podcast feed. There's a question for Seth. Seth, how
• 1:20:16
  Speaker 5: much experience do you have with with drones for photography?
• 1:20:19
  Speaker 5: Do you have any?
• 1:20:20
  Speaker 4: Non?
• 1:20:21
  Speaker 5: Okay, then I will not ask you. This guy who
• 1:20:23
  Speaker 5: was looking for.
• 1:20:24
  Speaker 1: Above you.
• 1:20:26
  Speaker 5: Oh yeah, Oh it's from Leland, Leland, Arizona Youth Havelena
• 1:20:29
  Speaker 5: opens for my daughter. Could I get a good luck
• 1:20:31
  Speaker 5: to McCollough on her first have Alena hunt?
• 1:20:33
  Speaker 1: Good luck McCullough.
• 1:20:34
  Speaker 3: Good luck McCullough.
• 1:20:36
  Speaker 1: That's right. Just remember what we learned earlier. It was
• 1:20:40
  Speaker 1: what was it breathing position, trigger, pull and follow through
• 1:20:45
  Speaker 1: four things.
• 1:20:46
  Speaker 3: Knowing Leland, I'm sure she's already got plenty of practice.
• 1:20:49
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I imagine.
• 1:20:50
  Speaker 5: So here's here's a Seth one pa and fishing related.
• 1:20:54
  Speaker 5: It's just Steven. He's looking for some some basic gear,
• 1:20:57
  Speaker 5: some beginner gear to get into ice fishing. If you
• 1:20:59
  Speaker 5: had sort of like a quick kit.
• 1:21:03
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I would start with an auger, doesn't have to
• 1:21:07
  Speaker 4: be anything fancy. You get one of those hand augers.
• 1:21:09
  Speaker 4: They work pretty good as long as the blades are sharp.
• 1:21:13
  Speaker 4: Basic ice pole, which is just a short fishing pole
• 1:21:17
  Speaker 4: with a you can honestly just use. If you have
• 1:21:19
  Speaker 4: a spin reel, you don't have to buy a new reel.
• 1:21:23
  Speaker 4: You can just throw that on an ice pole.
• 1:21:26
  Speaker 1: And then from.
• 1:21:27
  Speaker 5: There as far as safety wise, Pennsylvania doesn't.
• 1:21:31
  Speaker 1: Always have great ice.
• 1:21:32
  Speaker 4: They do this year, but I would get a spud
• 1:21:34
  Speaker 4: bar and those those ice picks that you put around
• 1:21:38
  Speaker 4: your neck, so if you you kind.
• 1:21:41
  Speaker 1: Of wear them around your neck like a necklace.
• 1:21:43
  Speaker 4: If you go through the ice, you can grab those
• 1:21:45
  Speaker 4: things and use them to pull yourself back up on
• 1:21:48
  Speaker 4: the ice. That's good to have, especially for beginners that
• 1:21:51
  Speaker 4: don't have a lot of experience on ice. And then
• 1:21:56
  Speaker 4: from I mean that's basically it to stock art. You
• 1:22:01
  Speaker 4: can go super deep on it with electronics and you know,
• 1:22:05
  Speaker 4: having a sled to haul your stuff out there is nice,
• 1:22:08
  Speaker 4: but say fella can't do the electronics part. That's kind
• 1:22:11
  Speaker 4: of where I'm at.
• 1:22:12
  Speaker 1: I feel like I have all the other gear but
• 1:22:16
  Speaker 1: I feel like without electronics, like, how am I ever
• 1:22:18
  Speaker 1: going to find the fish? So how do you find
• 1:22:19
  Speaker 1: the fish with no electronics?
• 1:22:23
  Speaker 4: Well, back when, back when I used to fish with
• 1:22:28
  Speaker 4: without electronics, we were just just trying to find like
• 1:22:33
  Speaker 4: points that go out into the lake or whatever you're
• 1:22:36
  Speaker 4: on to like read a map. Yeah, Basically, if you
• 1:22:39
  Speaker 4: have access to a map, that's helpful because you can
• 1:22:45
  Speaker 4: just you know, look at the map. But if you
• 1:22:47
  Speaker 4: don't have access to like underwater map or whatever, I
• 1:22:51
  Speaker 4: just try to find like points that are coming out
• 1:22:53
  Speaker 4: into the water, or you know, if if you're if
• 1:22:59
  Speaker 4: you can see the bank and there's like it's like
• 1:23:01
  Speaker 4: a sandy bank that transitions to a different type of
• 1:23:05
  Speaker 4: like rip rap or something like finding transitions like that
• 1:23:09
  Speaker 4: or you know, it's it's totally doable.
• 1:23:12
  Speaker 1: I used to do it all the time. Is it
• 1:23:13
  Speaker 1: bad form? Because I was gonna say, well, you'd pull
• 1:23:16
  Speaker 1: up and see where all the other shanties are people
• 1:23:18
  Speaker 1: are fishing, yeah, and then go near there or start
• 1:23:21
  Speaker 1: asking them questions like is that bad form? Just to
• 1:23:23
  Speaker 1: roll in and be like, hey man, let me take
• 1:23:25
  Speaker 1: a look at your Yeah, I'm new to this, Like
• 1:23:28
  Speaker 1: would it be Okay, to drill a whole ten yards
• 1:23:30
  Speaker 1: away from here? Is that a good spot? I think
• 1:23:32
  Speaker 1: most people would be open to that totally. Yeah, And
• 1:23:34
  Speaker 1: if you're gonna go that close, I would definitely talk
• 1:23:36
  Speaker 1: to someone. But you can definitely find the general area
• 1:23:39
  Speaker 1: where people.
• 1:23:41
  Speaker 4: You know or fishing, or if you go like early
• 1:23:43
  Speaker 4: in the morning, wherever you can find last or yesterday's
• 1:23:46
  Speaker 4: holes basically and try those spots too. So yeah, good luck.
• 1:23:54
  Speaker 3: What else do you got, Phil?
• 1:23:56
  Speaker 5: Ye're honest, this is from Judah. Do you have any
• 1:23:59
  Speaker 5: tips on trying to stay injury free or for trying
• 1:24:02
  Speaker 5: to stay injury free over years of running?
• 1:24:04
  Speaker 1: Hmm, Yeah, I've been lucky. I think I've I have
• 1:24:09
  Speaker 1: been able to stay injury free. I mean, I've had
• 1:24:11
  Speaker 1: a bad ankle sprain once. I'm dealing with a little
• 1:24:14
  Speaker 1: bit of like a carlage issue, and it's just I
• 1:24:17
  Speaker 1: think that's no matter if you're running or just living,
• 1:24:21
  Speaker 1: you're gonna have those issues in your knees. But I
• 1:24:24
  Speaker 1: don't know, I think doing it that was I recently
• 1:24:27
  Speaker 1: had to go through this knee kind of a process
• 1:24:30
  Speaker 1: of figuring out what was going on in there. My
• 1:24:32
  Speaker 1: last appointment was with an orthopedic surgeon. And she said,
• 1:24:35
  Speaker 1: the worst thing you can do is stop doing what
• 1:24:38
  Speaker 1: you're doing. I said, you even mean like runne hundred miles?
• 1:24:41
  Speaker 1: She goes, yes, do it. It is good for you.
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  Speaker 1: Do not stop. It's gonna get worse if you stop.
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  Speaker 1: So don't stop running. Bow hunting at full draw.
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  Speaker 5: Asks of who all of you guys are going to
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  Speaker 5: be at NWTFO.
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  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, well guess you two are not. Nope, I
• 1:25:02
  Speaker 1: am full draw.
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  Speaker 3: I wish I'll be at the Hunt Expo that weekend.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. And if you're gonna be at NWTF, a good
• 1:25:13
  Speaker 1: place to run into us is going to be the
• 1:25:15
  Speaker 1: Grand Slam after party. The Meat Eater is hosting, uh
• 1:25:20
  Speaker 1: you know, it's a big fundraiser. They're gonna have a
• 1:25:22
  Speaker 1: bunch of cool hunts and uh guns, shotguns, rifles to
• 1:25:27
  Speaker 1: auction off, and we're gonna tell some turkey stories. We're
• 1:25:32
  Speaker 1: going to try to get all of you to buy
• 1:25:34
  Speaker 1: as many raffle tickets for these items as possible. We're
• 1:25:38
  Speaker 1: going to have an owl hooting contest. The clay is
• 1:25:42
  Speaker 1: going to mc so if you're a good owl hooter
• 1:25:45
  Speaker 1: and in your NWTF. Now this is voice voice only
• 1:25:50
  Speaker 1: and then we're also going to play some trivia. So yeah,
• 1:25:52
  Speaker 1: it's the Grand Slam after party. Uh be a great
• 1:25:56
  Speaker 1: place to bump into us. Or on Saturday, most of
• 1:25:59
  Speaker 1: us will be at the booth, the First Light Booth
• 1:26:02
  Speaker 1: all day and you can see us there.
• 1:26:04
  Speaker 3: And if you want to find me at the Hunt Expo,
• 1:26:06
  Speaker 3: I'll be slumming in the beer line with everybody else.
• 1:26:10
  Speaker 4: I'll make mention that the Great American Outdoor Show in Harrisburg,
• 1:26:14
  Speaker 4: Pennsylvania's kicking off and the Family Boot Shop will have
• 1:26:17
  Speaker 4: a booth there Center Boot Company.
• 1:26:19
  Speaker 1: Look them up.
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  Speaker 5: They'll have some first Light gear there and I think
• 1:26:22
  Speaker 5: some meteor stuff too.
• 1:26:23
  Speaker 3: Brent Reeves is at the at that show, I believe.
• 1:26:26
  Speaker 3: Oh really, I think he's doing some with case.
• 1:26:28
  Speaker 1: Oh.
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  Speaker 3: We'll look him up to He's a nice guy. Go
• 1:26:31
  Speaker 3: talk to.
• 1:26:31
  Speaker 1: Him, extremely nice.
• 1:26:33
  Speaker 3: Have him tell you a bedtime story.
• 1:26:35
  Speaker 5: Ian asks, do you guys have more episodes of Roasts
• 1:26:37
  Speaker 5: on the Way?
• 1:26:39
  Speaker 1: Yes, Ian, we do have more episodes of Roast on
• 1:26:42
  Speaker 1: the Way There they were. They were hounding me yesterday
• 1:26:47
  Speaker 1: to put my notes in on an episode which I
• 1:26:50
  Speaker 1: believe they want to release here in the next week
• 1:26:53
  Speaker 1: or so. So don't fret and then behind that one,
• 1:26:56
  Speaker 1: there are many more coming. We've been hard at it.
• 1:26:59
  Speaker 1: We have been cooking, roasting our tails off here recently.
• 1:27:03
  Speaker 1: So Phil and I judged an episode together.
• 1:27:06
  Speaker 5: We did I think we did.
• 1:27:07
  Speaker 1: Pretty ch I haven't seen on the cut of that
• 1:27:10
  Speaker 1: one yet, but I'm expecting great things.
• 1:27:11
  Speaker 3: I think it's going to take a lot of word
• 1:27:12
  Speaker 3: to cut that one.
• 1:27:14
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:27:15
  Speaker 5: I think I gave the editor specific instructions on camera
• 1:27:18
  Speaker 5: things to do, So whoever's cutting that, I apologize.
• 1:27:22
  Speaker 1: Let's see what will.
• 1:27:23
  Speaker 5: You guys be doing on Thursdays at eleven am after
• 1:27:26
  Speaker 5: March fifth.
• 1:27:27
  Speaker 4: That's from moor uh answering emails.
• 1:27:32
  Speaker 1: Yeah that. If I'm in the office, it'll be something, Yeah,
• 1:27:36
  Speaker 1: Moor working on a book, editing, video, editing, photoph But.
• 1:27:41
  Speaker 3: To be honest, when I look at my calendar after
• 1:27:45
  Speaker 3: March fifth, it's nothing. Nothing there. My world is ending
• 1:27:51
  Speaker 3: on March fifth.
• 1:27:52
  Speaker 1: Hey, Spencer, Spencer, if you're still out there, has he
• 1:27:56
  Speaker 1: commented Phil.
• 1:27:57
  Speaker 5: Spencer Newhart has not been in the chat. I shamed
• 1:28:01
  Speaker 5: him for being too active in the chat one week,
• 1:28:03
  Speaker 5: and I think he.
• 1:28:06
  Speaker 1: If he is out there listening, I would like him
• 1:28:09
  Speaker 1: to give us a rating. Between zero and ten on
• 1:28:14
  Speaker 1: how well we did on this episode.
• 1:28:16
  Speaker 5: No, this is a nine to five. At least it's
• 1:28:18
  Speaker 5: up there. This is one of the better ones. Another
• 1:28:22
  Speaker 5: mogor one. He's We've got some good questions this week.
• 1:28:24
  Speaker 5: This is this is for Randall. It's a specific one.
• 1:28:26
  Speaker 5: You are the weapons expert, Randall. Have you heard of
• 1:28:28
  Speaker 5: the Walter Walder RS three straight pull bullpup hunting rifle family,
• 1:28:33
  Speaker 5: the one with the integrated suppressor? And is that monocock?
• 1:28:36
  Speaker 3: I would imagine that's a one piece receiver.
• 1:28:39
  Speaker 5: Yes. Then he had more to say, but that was
• 1:28:42
  Speaker 5: basically it.
• 1:28:43
  Speaker 3: Yes, I saw that it was recently released. I'm really
• 1:28:48
  Speaker 3: intrigued by bullpup rifles. Uh, there was a there's a
• 1:28:52
  Speaker 3: company called Defensive Edge out of Idaho that makes something
• 1:28:56
  Speaker 3: called the long Range Killing Machine and it has a
• 1:29:00
  Speaker 3: thirty inch barrel, but because of the bullpup arrangement, the
• 1:29:04
  Speaker 3: overall length is much shorter. So it's designed basically to
• 1:29:08
  Speaker 3: ride it up to the top of the mountain on
• 1:29:10
  Speaker 3: your back on a dirt bike. But bullpups offer the
• 1:29:13
  Speaker 3: advantage of having a longer barrel length compared to the
• 1:29:16
  Speaker 3: overall length of the rifle. Walther. I've never owned a Walther,
• 1:29:23
  Speaker 3: but interestingly against it, I think they made a like
• 1:29:27
  Speaker 3: a police sniper rifle, like a marksman rifle that was
• 1:29:32
  Speaker 3: a semi auto bullpup, so they have a bullpup legacy.
• 1:29:35
  Speaker 3: I'm also really intrigued by guys on forums that are
• 1:29:38
  Speaker 3: making their own bullpups with like homemade trigger linkages and
• 1:29:42
  Speaker 3: weird stocks, and it intrigues me and scares me at
• 1:29:45
  Speaker 3: the same time.
• 1:29:46
  Speaker 1: So you kind of had to explain it because I'm
• 1:29:48
  Speaker 1: looking at pictures and there's like, it looks like a
• 1:29:50
  Speaker 1: thousand variations of what a bullpup might be, So, like,
• 1:29:54
  Speaker 1: is there a definition of what a bullpup is?
• 1:29:57
  Speaker 3: A bullpup is essentially the the the action is further
• 1:30:02
  Speaker 3: back in the stock. Then the trigger is ahead of
• 1:30:05
  Speaker 3: the action.
• 1:30:07
  Speaker 4: So the action is almost like where you're yeah, you're
• 1:30:09
  Speaker 4: almost resting your cheek the action.
• 1:30:12
  Speaker 3: So instead of the instead of the action being in
• 1:30:15
  Speaker 3: front of the grip uh like the wrist of the stock,
• 1:30:19
  Speaker 3: the action is back further so that you know you
• 1:30:22
  Speaker 3: can have you can have this much barrel, but it
• 1:30:24
  Speaker 3: starts back here instead of starting out here.
• 1:30:26
  Speaker 1: Okay, and obviously I guess I guess it's sort of
• 1:30:29
  Speaker 1: the well, if it's the issue, but you got to
• 1:30:32
  Speaker 1: figure out how to connect the trigger to the to
• 1:30:34
  Speaker 1: the action.
• 1:30:35
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and yeah, there's like some you know, there's a
• 1:30:39
  Speaker 3: lot of like factory bullpup options, but you can also
• 1:30:43
  Speaker 3: find people sort of there's some companies that make like
• 1:30:47
  Speaker 3: a bullpup style chassis for Remington seven hundred and you
• 1:30:51
  Speaker 3: have it basically a trigger linkage. But uh, in the
• 1:30:55
  Speaker 3: age of suppressors, you know, overall length is is a
• 1:31:00
  Speaker 3: very important consideration. So yeah, when I think about big
• 1:31:04
  Speaker 3: Magnum cartridge, I want to get a big long barrel
• 1:31:06
  Speaker 3: on there. A bullpup would be mighty nice. That's weird
• 1:31:13
  Speaker 3: enough interesting. That was a weird enough tangent for me.
• 1:31:18
  Speaker 1: Anything else.
• 1:31:18
  Speaker 3: L r k M though, if you want to, if
• 1:31:21
  Speaker 3: you want to have your hair stand up, look up
• 1:31:23
  Speaker 3: an l r KM and the prices they fetch on
• 1:31:25
  Speaker 3: the used market.
• 1:31:26
  Speaker 5: Leland's asking your opinions on wild game tartar or tiger
• 1:31:30
  Speaker 5: meat or cannibal meat or or whatever all the terms
• 1:31:33
  Speaker 5: are for it. Do you guys that's something you guys
• 1:31:35
  Speaker 5: consume or prep prepare often?
• 1:31:39
  Speaker 4: Yes, Oh really, I think a burger is just better
• 1:31:44
  Speaker 4: we if you cook it.
• 1:31:45
  Speaker 3: We like eating. We like eating like beef tartar. Like
• 1:31:51
  Speaker 3: if we go to a restaurant that has some sort
• 1:31:52
  Speaker 3: of raw beef preparation, that's typically what we'll get as
• 1:31:55
  Speaker 3: a starter. And so yeah, we when we get like
• 1:31:58
  Speaker 3: a fresh animal home and then we have some backstraps,
• 1:32:01
  Speaker 3: we'll do some tartar.
• 1:32:05
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I enjoy it. I just often don't remember to
• 1:32:10
  Speaker 1: make it, and and I should do it more often
• 1:32:13
  Speaker 1: because it is delicious, But yeah, I just yeah, for
• 1:32:18
  Speaker 1: whatever reason, I don't know. My family's probably only eating
• 1:32:20
  Speaker 1: it a couple of times.
• 1:32:24
  Speaker 5: Nate Pow looking for recommendations on a pistol chest pack
• 1:32:28
  Speaker 5: and chest holder. I'm gonna needs a proper safety. You
• 1:32:31
  Speaker 5: guys have any any recommendations.
• 1:32:37
  Speaker 3: As far as how to carry it? I think so
• 1:32:40
  Speaker 3: I go back and forth on the chest.
• 1:32:42
  Speaker 5: I think he's he's looking for specific items like from
• 1:32:45
  Speaker 5: FAHF or something you guys could hut with.
• 1:32:49
  Speaker 3: F AHEF doesn't make I mean they use a it's
• 1:32:53
  Speaker 3: a it's a Rasco holster that's attached to the the
• 1:32:57
  Speaker 3: bino pack, right it was.
• 1:33:00
  Speaker 4: Yeah, they make a system that attaches to the bottom
• 1:33:04
  Speaker 4: of a bino harness or chest rig.
• 1:33:07
  Speaker 3: Yeah, there's a company called gun Fighters, Inc. That makes
• 1:33:11
  Speaker 3: a chest rig that you would wear under They also
• 1:33:17
  Speaker 3: make one that you would mount to your bino pack,
• 1:33:19
  Speaker 3: but they make one that you wear you would wear
• 1:33:21
  Speaker 3: under your bino pack because it's just sort of free
• 1:33:25
  Speaker 3: like it's it's literally just meant to be worn on
• 1:33:28
  Speaker 3: its own with nothing else rig to it. And I
• 1:33:30
  Speaker 3: like that quite a bit because you can take your
• 1:33:32
  Speaker 3: binos off, like if you're if you're butchering an animal
• 1:33:36
  Speaker 3: and you can just have that gun on your chest
• 1:33:39
  Speaker 3: when your hands are all bloody and you don't want
• 1:33:41
  Speaker 3: something hanging off like the big bino rig hanging off.
• 1:33:43
  Speaker 3: But I also go back and forth between like a
• 1:33:46
  Speaker 3: belt holster. Sometimes I'll put a belt holster on my
• 1:33:49
  Speaker 3: hip belt on my pack, but then you end up
• 1:33:52
  Speaker 3: carrying two holsters because you also want one that you
• 1:33:54
  Speaker 3: could wear if you drop your pack. So it all
• 1:33:57
  Speaker 3: comes down to individual, individual preference, I think. But there's
• 1:34:01
  Speaker 3: a lot of options out there.
• 1:34:03
  Speaker 1: Well, Paul, I think trying to solve for some of
• 1:34:06
  Speaker 1: this now instead of like he doesn't really offer a
• 1:34:09
  Speaker 1: holster anymore. It's basically the holster.
• 1:34:11
  Speaker 3: Hangar it's like the blade. It's a blade tech.
• 1:34:13
  Speaker 1: Yeah, And there's a quick detach system so that you
• 1:34:16
  Speaker 1: could have one holster but then have this attachment that
• 1:34:19
  Speaker 1: could be under your binyl harness. You could have another
• 1:34:22
  Speaker 1: one on your hip belt of your pack, and then
• 1:34:24
  Speaker 1: you can just move it around. I personally find it
• 1:34:27
  Speaker 1: to be too much when it's all on my chest,
• 1:34:31
  Speaker 1: and so I like to go to the hip. But yes,
• 1:34:33
  Speaker 1: every time I drop my pack. Yeah, I also started
• 1:34:37
  Speaker 1: wearing weapons.
• 1:34:38
  Speaker 3: I started wearing like a short thigh drop like a
• 1:34:43
  Speaker 3: drop panel, and I thought, I've like seen people sit
• 1:34:47
  Speaker 3: back and forth say, oh, you don't want to wear
• 1:34:49
  Speaker 3: that when you're hiking. You don't like it's it's too cumbersome.
• 1:34:52
  Speaker 3: But I don't really notice it. And then I have
• 1:34:55
  Speaker 3: that gun on my hip at all times. Take my
• 1:34:58
  Speaker 3: pack off, take my biny harness off. It's one less
• 1:35:01
  Speaker 3: thing when you want to shed a layer to mess with, right, And.
• 1:35:05
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, send me the link to that whatever you're using.
• 1:35:08
  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I run this thing that it's it's just
• 1:35:11
  Speaker 4: a clip so like I can open it up, put
• 1:35:14
  Speaker 4: it on my pack, and then if I want to
• 1:35:17
  Speaker 4: drop my pack, I just pop it off my pack
• 1:35:18
  Speaker 4: and put it on clip it onto my belt works pretty.
• 1:35:22
  Speaker 1: Good, Phil, anything that has to be answered yet? Or
• 1:35:27
  Speaker 1: can we say there's this one for me? It's okay,
• 1:35:31
  Speaker 1: Well I have to be the last one.
• 1:35:32
  Speaker 3: It's good.
• 1:35:33
  Speaker 5: I mentioned this like low five pixel art fishing game
• 1:35:35
  Speaker 5: that came out recently called Cast and Chill Cast and Chill,
• 1:35:39
  Speaker 5: and Coole is asking if I've played it yet. I
• 1:35:41
  Speaker 5: have it downloaded on my switch to, and I've been
• 1:35:44
  Speaker 5: holding off because I thought I might stream it the
• 1:35:46
  Speaker 5: first time I played it, which I still might do,
• 1:35:49
  Speaker 5: but I haven't played it yet.
• 1:35:50
  Speaker 3: I didn't realize you got a switch to. Oh yeah,
• 1:35:53
  Speaker 3: I just got my first switch Yes.
• 1:35:55
  Speaker 5: And that's the thing is if maybe if I stream
• 1:35:57
  Speaker 5: after we play some Cast and Chill, I'll play some
• 1:35:59
  Speaker 5: Breath with the Wild. Because Randall be getting a switch
• 1:36:01
  Speaker 5: and playing Zelda had me restart a playthrough of Breath.
• 1:36:04
  Speaker 3: Of the Yea. I got some sort of rising deal
• 1:36:08
  Speaker 3: where I got a free switch. So I'm getting back
• 1:36:10
  Speaker 3: into video games. Never too late to start something new.
• 1:36:14
  Speaker 5: Couldn't agree more, Randall, let's call it kids, go outside.
• 1:36:19
  Speaker 5: This might have been our longest I think this is
• 1:36:22
  Speaker 5: our longest episode forget it. Forget video games, go outside,
• 1:36:27
  Speaker 5: you know, find a healthy balance.
• 1:36:29
  Speaker 3: And that six minutes. That's a hell of a warm
• 1:36:32
  Speaker 3: up for the grand finale spectacular.
• 1:36:34
  Speaker 5: That's right.
• 1:36:35
  Speaker 1: I hope you guys all enjoyed it. Look like they
• 1:36:37
  Speaker 1: most of them stuck around for the entirety of it.
• 1:36:41
  Speaker 1: Thank you all for watching and listening, and uh, we'll
• 1:36:45
  Speaker 1: see you again next week, same time, Meat Eater Radio Live,
• 1:36:49
  Speaker 1: same place, Deuces Later,