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NEKO 2 Prep: What the Boys Are Playing, Running, and Getting Into · Archons Corner

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  Speaker 1: Oh no, Southern bors with the farm strength, nobody paying,
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  Speaker 1: no field to pay.
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  Speaker 2: You could be next, you bet?
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  Speaker 1: Do you ever spect sing? Nobody breaking his brand neck?
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  Speaker 2: No?
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  Speaker 1: No, no, no nail one, no no no.
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  Speaker 3: We're ready. Let's do it all right? What's going on? Everybody?
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  Speaker 3: I am the one, the only, the w oh Okay.
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  Speaker 3: I e joined here by the normal cast of MIESSF.
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  Speaker 3: That's we have the drass core of the draft Score
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  Speaker 3: drazz Corp. That's me, doctor guys, how's going? The PhD
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  Speaker 3: of key Forge, Doctor m sheet Hello, and the Ewakiist
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  Speaker 3: of Ewoks, the Ewok.
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  Speaker 4: Junior Hello, key Forge Community. Glad to be here? Is
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  Speaker 4: the e w Ok Underscore j R?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah? Happy uh happy neckoes Eve? Is that a thing? Yep,
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  Speaker 3: yeah it is? Now? Does just Choda hazardy bring all
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  Speaker 3: the good boys and girls chunks if they've been good
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  Speaker 3: little boys and girls? I've been very good. But Choda,
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  Speaker 3: if you were a Choda hazard, what would you bring
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  Speaker 3: all the good boys and girls? Hmm? I would bring
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  Speaker 3: all the good boys and girls ember skies and gross.
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  Speaker 3: I would bring all the bad boys and girls. A
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  Speaker 3: bad omen A bad omen is that the name of
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  Speaker 3: the worst. Is that the name of it. The worst prophecy,
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  Speaker 3: that's the worst prophecy. That's the one where it's like
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  Speaker 3: exactly six, right, is that what you're going with?
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  Speaker 4: Ye?
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  Speaker 3: Just bad omen, not a bad omen, just bad omen.
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  Speaker 2: Is that the worst?
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  Speaker 3: Though? It's pretty bad?
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  Speaker 2: I mean, destroyed three creatures might.
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  Speaker 4: Be as bad.
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  Speaker 3: Bad.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, bad omen is at the end of your opponent's
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  Speaker 4: turn if they have exactly I've never seen bad omen. Uh,
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  Speaker 4: I have seen a trigger mm hmm yeah, I mean,
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  Speaker 4: and so that's at least once.
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  Speaker 3: M I was going to send this could happen. So
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  Speaker 3: I'm scrolling Facebook because I look.
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  Speaker 4: At uh we have literally been on thirty seconds.
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  Speaker 3: I know, I I well, when I scroll, I scroll
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  Speaker 3: for questionable uh Facebook uh boobs, and I've scrolled past
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  Speaker 3: your Yeah, I think it's a step up from classy.
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  Speaker 3: I don't know. I don't know. I don't think so
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  Speaker 3: questionable Facebook boobs.
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  Speaker 2: I mean you can just find that on Reddit. That's
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  Speaker 2: a subreddit.
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  Speaker 3: Oh wait, questionable Facebook boobs is a subreddit. I don't
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  Speaker 3: know it's called that, but it's is. It's just called
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  Speaker 3: questionable titties.
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  Speaker 4: All right, to refocus here, The end is the prof
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  Speaker 4: was the Prophecy were talking about during your opponents, more
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  Speaker 4: creatures have been destroyed, this turn fulfilled. The end is
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  Speaker 4: nigh and I have not seen that trigger.
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  Speaker 3: I have something way cooler. So I was scrolling through
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  Speaker 3: and I found a lego set for the Rush. It's
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  Speaker 3: a semi for Rush the band. It's the Rush Tour semi.
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  Speaker 3: And I was going to send it to Marcus, and
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  Speaker 3: then I looked and I already see Marcus liked it.
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  Speaker 3: That's how that tied into the key four.
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  Speaker 4: M.
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  Speaker 3: If Marcus likes it, it's it's a Keyford thing. Is
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  Speaker 3: that what we're saying? Well, I mean Marcus is a
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  Speaker 3: judge in KeyForge, and that's how I know Marcus and
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  Speaker 3: or he judges. He likes Rush and I like Rush.
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  Speaker 3: He's going to like five other days this year that
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  Speaker 3: he spent an arm and a leg which is crazy.
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  Speaker 3: I don't know what he really spent, but I know
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  Speaker 3: they were expensive, and I was a tiny bit jealous.
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  Speaker 3: But it is neches Eve. So put out plus one
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  Speaker 3: power counters for Chota Hazari.
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  Speaker 4: Do you know what you should not put out? If
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  Speaker 4: you were if you were looking at the bottom fifteen
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  Speaker 4: decks and d ok, they all have one thing in common.
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  Speaker 4: For sas wuys all statement, it's the it's the bottom
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  Speaker 4: fifteen of PV. Okay, they're all PV okay, really they are.
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  Speaker 4: They all have bad what are the bottom of the
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  Speaker 4: end is I they do not have the same prophecies.
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  Speaker 3: No, oh, they all all have untamed.
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  Speaker 4: They do not all have untamed, and they do not
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  Speaker 4: all have burnished nickels, cheap guesemption. They all have redemption.
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  Speaker 4: The bottom fifteen necks all have retemption. It all right,
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  Speaker 4: So don't don't leave that out for chod has.
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  Speaker 3: Do you think they look at this and they're like, oh,
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  Speaker 3: maybe we should do something about it.
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  Speaker 2: No, yeah, more redemption to bring the power level down,
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  Speaker 2: because that's how you putting more bad guards.
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  Speaker 3: Is that the goal? Are They like? Oh man, PV
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  Speaker 3: too good. So let's make a set where we exhaust
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  Speaker 3: everything that won't that won't ruin the is that'll that'll
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  Speaker 3: fix ask again later. Well, you're blowing it down. The
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  Speaker 3: problem is releasing a junk set. Fix is nothing because
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  Speaker 3: people will just go play PV. It's quick draw happy.
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  Speaker 3: There you go. Well, I don't know, I mean I
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  Speaker 3: so I was talking a quick draw at KFC and
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  Speaker 3: you know what the with the action that was going
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  Speaker 3: on with the sleepy dragons. I was like, so are
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  Speaker 3: you are you like down with this? Are you like
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  Speaker 3: this is amazing? And he was sort of like meh, So,
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  Speaker 3: I mean, I don't I don't understand what he likes.
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  Speaker 3: I guess, but he wasn't like he wasn't. I mean,
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  Speaker 3: he wasn't hating on but he wasn't. He's like me,
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  Speaker 3: he doesn't like anything. Yeah, maybe maybe that could be
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  Speaker 3: he likes.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, I'm gonna go ahead and say I like
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  Speaker 4: playing Draconian measures this week. That was fun, so my
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  Speaker 4: measures our locals. Yeah, we went ahead him play sealed
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  Speaker 4: and I had some amber skies and Sheep brought out
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  Speaker 4: his his his sleepy dragons, and that game was done
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  Speaker 4: real fast, so fast that I said, yeah, let me
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  Speaker 4: try that deck and you can take my think.
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  Speaker 2: Your sleepy dragons that were actually sleepy.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, they were very, very sleepy. And you know, his
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  Speaker 4: deck was actually a lot of fun. So it did
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  Speaker 4: actually bring some excitement. I am excited to be able
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  Speaker 4: to try some decks that you guys big change for
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  Speaker 4: who got to play it in game three. Nope, we
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  Speaker 4: just moved on, and Sheep was like, yeah, I'd never
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  Speaker 4: need to play your deck again.
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  Speaker 3: Something, but I wish I had it. They didn't think
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  Speaker 3: I had enough.
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  Speaker 4: I did. I tried to give that too too, and
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  Speaker 4: that's on you.
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  Speaker 3: Man.
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  Speaker 2: Well, I was thinking about people having to play it,
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  Speaker 2: and like Arcan, I wasn't thinking about needing something terrible
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  Speaker 2: for reversal.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, but are you speaking of formats.
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  Speaker 2: Somebody challenges me to reversal and I have to check
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  Speaker 2: a box.
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  Speaker 4: Don't you still have your reversal? You actually had a
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  Speaker 4: decent reversal back now.
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  Speaker 2: I've traded that.
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  Speaker 3: He doesn't. He doesn't. I was getting about that, actually,
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  Speaker 3: mm that.
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  Speaker 2: Somebody really wanted it, and I said they will get
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  Speaker 2: more joy of it from me. And I'm pretty sure
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  Speaker 2: I got the assholes and clowns picture out of it.
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  Speaker 3: So Mark wanted it. Yep got it. Okay, you traded,
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  Speaker 3: You traded the deck for assholes. He got more enjoyment
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  Speaker 3: of a clown mooning everyone than that I.
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  Speaker 2: Was going to get out of that miserable experience.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, but speaking of formats, we do have this
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  Speaker 3: bothers me. The glorious tradition. Come on, guys, it's but
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  Speaker 3: you've done this twice. Is it glorious at this point? Yeah?
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  Speaker 4: I uh yeah yeah.
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  Speaker 3: When they when they selected that, Now, I am not
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  Speaker 3: that I would have come up with anything better, but
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  Speaker 3: you know, I would have told him that was a
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  Speaker 3: questionable one. I would have said Necho ever more, because
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  Speaker 3: you get like, this is Necho. It's like Necho one
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  Speaker 3: plus one. Now it's Necho to. Now it's two power creature.
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  Speaker 2: It's going to be when it's Neo eleven.
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  Speaker 3: Well, then then it's glorious at that point. Now it's
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  Speaker 3: glorious because it's then right right yep, because we only
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  Speaker 3: use Roman numerals.
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  Speaker 2: Now we'll switch that out, just keep it confusing.
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  Speaker 3: Sorry and numerals. Thanks, ay, and you're welcome. But we
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  Speaker 3: got sixteen formats, which okay, so we got two of
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  Speaker 3: you going one. Are you guys looking forward to the most?
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  Speaker 2: I'm really okay, but I haven't been to this. So
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  Speaker 2: my understanding is we get like a four by four
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  Speaker 2: grid card and we're basically playing bingo, but it's gonna
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  Speaker 2: have a bunch of these questionable formats, which my time
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  Speaker 2: was going to discuss the questionable formats that we have
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  Speaker 2: to play in ABR, and my team asked me to rank,
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  Speaker 2: like you're supposed to rank the formats between one and
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  Speaker 2: twelve on what you wanted to play, right, and they
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  Speaker 2: were going to assign it based off of that. And
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  Speaker 2: I went through the ABR formats and I handed out
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  Speaker 2: seven twelves and eleven some stixes and and I put
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  Speaker 2: a one somewhere. But it was basically like, we'll not play,
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  Speaker 2: we'll not play, we'll not play, we'll not play, we'll
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  Speaker 2: not play.
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  Speaker 3: So what are you? Was the one seed.
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  Speaker 2: Alliance? Yes, that one, because somebody already had uh sealed
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  Speaker 2: ARCon as their one, so I didn't want to trump
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  Speaker 2: them having no one there, So I took a one
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  Speaker 2: in a column nobody had it one yet, and then
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  Speaker 2: they gave me exchange.
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  Speaker 3: The why'd you put that as a six?
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  Speaker 2: Because it was a format I would play, like if
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  Speaker 2: forced I would play, you came. Yeah, but it did
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  Speaker 2: come to me where I'm like anything with the daft
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  Speaker 2: of it, you know, I don't want to do it.
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  Speaker 2: But even like, I didn't even want to put my
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  Speaker 2: name on playing regular ARCon because I'm not to compete
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  Speaker 2: in p v arc on. I mean, I i'd have
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  Speaker 2: to borrow a dec I could play it just fine,
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  Speaker 2: but I'm just like, I'm not I'm not going to
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  Speaker 2: practice for it, and I'm not going to enjoy it,
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  Speaker 2: so I don't want.
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  Speaker 3: To do it. Doesn't doesn't sound like a winning combination.
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  Speaker 2: Right, And that's just kind of like I was looking
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  Speaker 2: across all the formats for ABR and I'm just like,
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  Speaker 2: there is something going on here when I'm just like two,
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  Speaker 2: there there are very few formats that are traditional, right,
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  Speaker 2: And it's just like all this stuff we have to
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  Speaker 2: put on top of key forge to bake reasonable even
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  Speaker 2: matches is is interesting. And I know people thought that
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  Speaker 2: was bad pre WHOA, because that's when a lot of
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  Speaker 2: these formats were designed. And at that point I was like,
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  Speaker 2: we don't need all this, It's still fine, right Like
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  Speaker 2: I thought, well, I still fine then, and now I'm
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  Speaker 2: with them. I'm like, I think our gun is a
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  Speaker 2: dumpster heap. I have almost seriously playing it.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean pre Road, the problem was just the
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  Speaker 3: pandemic and the algorithm breaking and we would.
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  Speaker 2: Just just need it more to do.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah. We were just like, well, we can play our
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  Speaker 3: MM decks the same MM deex so many times right,
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  Speaker 3: without spicing it up a little bit, right.
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  Speaker 2: Well, they're they're always been a big component of people
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  Speaker 2: like over on Santamorious that we're always trying to develop
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  Speaker 2: fair shoremats and that's where there's more rye and exchange
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  Speaker 2: and all that stuff came out of that.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, but here's where my issue is, Like Key Fortress
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  Speaker 4: never intended to be fair or equitable, and so I
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  Speaker 4: love that there's different. I love that there's assets to play.
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  Speaker 4: It's just it's not intended to be fair.
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  Speaker 2: But I don't know. I don't find Arkhan as enjoyable
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  Speaker 2: as I used.
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  Speaker 3: To, but I also is so so she bought a
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  Speaker 3: bought fraud and got used to just kicking people's teeth in.
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  Speaker 3: I never get those teeth in. And now that sheep's
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  Speaker 3: getting his teeth kicked and he's a little upset. Now.
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  Speaker 2: We have gone over this any times, and that has
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  Speaker 2: never been a problem for me. Thank you?
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  Speaker 3: Are you sure? Yes? Seems like that's a problem.
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  Speaker 2: It's not a problem, Okay, it's just the I don't
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  Speaker 2: know that the game's just they don't seem as fun.
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  Speaker 2: And like you said this, I also don't want to
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  Speaker 2: play a game where I have to put a game
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  Speaker 2: on top of it to be able to play the
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  Speaker 2: game I actually wanted to play.
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  Speaker 3: They do seem extraordinarily more grindy and mentally texting what
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  Speaker 3: you're saying PEV. Yeah, the addition of PV because I
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  Speaker 3: because you are you literally are playing a mini game
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  Speaker 3: within a game that's going to determine whether you get
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  Speaker 3: the game you're sitting down to actually play or not.
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  Speaker 4: There's there's a lot of difference.
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  Speaker 3: It's a little bit like the opposite a little bit
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  Speaker 3: because I'm like, well, if he's got this card under there,
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  Speaker 3: then I'm just screwed. So I don't know, do I
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  Speaker 3: trigger it? Do I not trigger it?
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  Speaker 4: No?
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  Speaker 3: You you you have the and that's not the Munchhounds.
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  Speaker 3: What is it? You have the you uh, you have
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  Speaker 3: the Stockholm syndrome. You've like accepted your captors. You know
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  Speaker 3: you're not accepting your captor and you're just like, okay,
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  Speaker 3: definitely where I am on op Like, I'm like, this
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  Speaker 3: is what we're getting. Okay, you said it best on
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  Speaker 3: Tuesday when we all got together. You're like, this is
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  Speaker 3: the level of effort they're willing to put in, and
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  Speaker 3: they're okay with the return they're getting from it.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, you know just what.
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  Speaker 3: They're just waiting for echoes of omens so they can
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  Speaker 3: be like, oh, key Fords, just stay cutting it anymore, guys, I.
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  Speaker 4: Don't think echoes all probably not going to cut it, so,
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  Speaker 4: which actually could be a.
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  Speaker 3: Problem right before it gets produced. Yeah, no, they'll make it.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, but we're we're here. We're going to talk about
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  Speaker 2: glorious traditions. Neka, well whatever we're going to we're going
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  Speaker 2: to talk about Sweet sixteen, right, which is also a
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  Speaker 2: pile of formats.
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  Speaker 4: You don't want to go down that rabbit an of them.
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  Speaker 2: So, but the way this goes is right, dress score
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  Speaker 2: is just like when you're not playing your core game,
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  Speaker 2: except you can check off Crucible Clash as a free
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  Speaker 2: spot right for playing basically sealed.
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  Speaker 3: If you're playing in the main tournament, you sealed as
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  Speaker 3: your free spot.
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  Speaker 2: But all these other ones you just find.
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  Speaker 3: Somebody says that's additional spot, that's an addition to So
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  Speaker 3: when you and I understood that.
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  Speaker 2: I get to check off the box whether I win
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  Speaker 2: or lose, correct.
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  Speaker 4: I.
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  Speaker 3: Believe, so I actually don't remember. Yeah, that sounds like
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  Speaker 3: it's rife for somebody just being like, hey, you want
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  Speaker 3: to play Shutter and I can see it. I'll see you.
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  Speaker 3: Can you here?
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  Speaker 4: So I mean you're missing, You're missing this, You're missing.
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  Speaker 2: In good faith.
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  Speaker 3: Fine, it's about spirit. This is about winning.
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  Speaker 4: It's not about winning. It's honestly, it's a fan made event,
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  Speaker 4: which is amazing.
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  Speaker 3: Just like keep saying if you ain't cheating, you ain't trying.
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  Speaker 2: Wow, I'm certainly. I am certainly saying that is true.
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  Speaker 2: And ah, I do have some plans.
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  Speaker 4: To cheat.
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  Speaker 3: So if you're about make sure paying attention. Just like
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  Speaker 3: Sheep's phantom key, this takes This is battle Fleet on
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  Speaker 3: the back of a card.
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  Speaker 4: This, This is true. Technically there was an archon card
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  Speaker 4: that was replacing a bubbles in our match this week,
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  Speaker 4: so it is not out of the question. Let's be
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  Speaker 4: very honest.
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  Speaker 3: It was a reminder card first off, yes.
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  Speaker 4: Sorry, a reminder card. And if we could play with
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  Speaker 4: a reminder card and quarters and nickels and dimes, trust me,
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  Speaker 4: we can slot in.
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  Speaker 3: And I'm pretty sure she forged a phantom key on
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  Speaker 3: me and just said yeah, I already had that, and
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  Speaker 3: I just you can't pay attention and keep track of
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  Speaker 3: game state is not my fault. I just started playing
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  Speaker 3: with this thing that was on the board. I'm like,
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  Speaker 3: what's this And that was when I said this is
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  Speaker 3: my key and no, you did not. I just put
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  Speaker 3: it back and I didn't think anything of it. And
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  Speaker 3: that's my third key. That's not true at all. That
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  Speaker 3: is my third key. And I win and I was like,
• 18:31
  Speaker 3: where did you get the first key? He's like, that's
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  Speaker 3: what this is and I'm like what that just showed up?
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  Speaker 3: Like that's who I remember this.
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  Speaker 2: When I forged the key. I forged the multi colored
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  Speaker 2: token somebody gave me. Then I forged the black amber
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  Speaker 2: token somebody gave me. And you don't need a third
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  Speaker 2: key because you'll want.
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  Speaker 3: It's a long story. Short pay attention when you're I
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  Speaker 3: didn't think I needed to pay that close attention to sheep.
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  Speaker 3: I thought it was just mister effect.
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  Speaker 2: But now I got to pay attention to short story
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  Speaker 2: long you can cheat against what he because he has
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  Speaker 2: no idea what's going on?
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  Speaker 3: Ever? Is that worth is? Is that? Is that fruit
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  Speaker 3: worth the squeeze? Maybe that's it? Was not that day?
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  Speaker 3: That day was you legitimately got your butt kicked?
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  Speaker 4: No? Yeah, no, you went in three man, we haven't
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  Speaker 4: seen you in a while, and you went on three
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  Speaker 4: like that. That doesn't happen too often.
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  Speaker 3: No, I got uh. I bought the last two g
• 19:31
  Speaker 3: R decks and they were do do kaka, thank you,
• 19:36
  Speaker 3: untamed as it is traditionally, do do kaka lately and uh, yeah,
• 19:43
  Speaker 3: I had a dead house in each deck and either
• 19:46
  Speaker 3: of them coumbled off into anything or did much of anything.
• 19:48
  Speaker 3: I mean they did things that was about it, like
• 19:53
  Speaker 3: they had no they didn't have a wind condition. They're
• 19:55
  Speaker 3: just like we can do some stuff that was about it. Yeah.
• 20:01
  Speaker 2: They have two different adaptive formats for this weekend, where
• 20:06
  Speaker 2: I see adaptive and sealed adaptive.
• 20:09
  Speaker 3: Oh I missed the sealed one, so what I have?
• 20:14
  Speaker 4: What do you do?
• 20:14
  Speaker 3: And seal adaptive? Hold on, I have to look this up.
• 20:17
  Speaker 2: Sealed adaptive as you look at that short adaptive right, No,
• 20:22
  Speaker 2: even even regular adaptive is best of one or short
• 20:27
  Speaker 2: sealed adaptive is you don't look at the deck list.
• 20:29
  Speaker 3: You big chains based off of houses. That was the
• 20:31
  Speaker 3: traditional way. This says so mm hmmm, same process as
• 20:39
  Speaker 3: regular adaptive format described above, with the deck choice restrictions
• 20:43
  Speaker 3: of sealed.
• 20:45
  Speaker 2: So you're just desidio.
• 20:47
  Speaker 3: Okay, whatever, but.
• 20:49
  Speaker 4: Do you do you look at your deck and you
• 20:51
  Speaker 4: and your.
• 20:53
  Speaker 2: List, and then similar reveal which deck you would like
• 20:55
  Speaker 2: to do. But instead of being able to pick what
• 20:57
  Speaker 2: deck you bring in, you have to use a sealed deck. Okay, whatever,
• 21:03
  Speaker 2: all right, you do both? Yeah, you do, look at les.
• 21:07
  Speaker 2: It does not matter. For I have a plan on
• 21:10
  Speaker 2: adaptive games is I will bring fraud if I can
• 21:16
  Speaker 2: the willle big fraud chans on fraud, and I will
• 21:19
  Speaker 2: bid a minimum of forty chains hve and then and
• 21:28
  Speaker 2: then all I have to do on my turn is
• 21:30
  Speaker 2: pass and count down by one thirty nine.
• 21:33
  Speaker 3: Still no cards? Are you not going to play anything either?
• 21:39
  Speaker 3: I don't have any of My.
• 21:40
  Speaker 2: Hand's gonna start at zero. I have no cards, so
• 21:46
  Speaker 2: you until I get.
• 21:50
  Speaker 4: And then yeah? Yeah, are you having Are you having
• 21:53
  Speaker 4: fun yet playing adaptive?
• 21:55
  Speaker 3: I mean, get yourself a HOGI you can, uh, you can?
• 21:59
  Speaker 3: You can get yourself some grapple. Now that you're hearing,
• 22:02
  Speaker 3: you can just shout.
• 22:03
  Speaker 2: I'm going to try to do it like okay, I
• 22:07
  Speaker 2: tried to get Burry to play a daptu with me
• 22:08
  Speaker 2: with no cards, or I'm like, you pick your deck, okay,
• 22:11
  Speaker 2: I'll go pick fraud's or been changed on fraud.
• 22:13
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 22:13
  Speaker 2: He's like, oh yeah, I'm like all right, so I've
• 22:15
  Speaker 2: been forty and I just told him all right, so
• 22:17
  Speaker 2: I'll go first. I have no cards, thirty nine chains
• 22:19
  Speaker 2: passco and he's like, uh, I'm like what are you doing?
• 22:23
  Speaker 3: And he's like, what do you mean? What am I doing?
• 22:24
  Speaker 2: We'll call your house. Yeah, you just play your deck.
• 22:27
  Speaker 2: You're just like, oh, I'm gonna start with my onun
• 22:28
  Speaker 2: tame turning dust, Pixie Dust Pixie, Yeah, natre's called Jodah.
• 22:33
  Speaker 2: I'll be like, well some of them didn't see that coming.
• 22:38
  Speaker 2: Well how about that I passed thirty eight changs your turn?
• 22:44
  Speaker 3: Hoping he plays a guard get to scrapper, It says,
• 22:46
  Speaker 3: darn' three mber. Yet, like, what I will his deck? Man?
• 22:52
  Speaker 2: I can't play his deck forim. He has to play
• 22:54
  Speaker 2: his deck.
• 22:54
  Speaker 3: Here's here's what I want to happen so bad. If
• 22:57
  Speaker 3: you are playing sheep in Sealed against fraud, please, I'm sorry,
• 23:05
  Speaker 3: adaptive against fraud. Please please bring your raptor deck. Please
• 23:15
  Speaker 3: bring your hast this raptor deck.
• 23:18
  Speaker 2: As long as you got capture those canna be fraud
• 23:20
  Speaker 2: for sure.
• 23:22
  Speaker 4: And just I mean the Aeronauts can actually beat Fraud
• 23:26
  Speaker 4: there too. You probably get the war Grumps is going too.
• 23:29
  Speaker 4: I think we could really do this.
• 23:31
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Fraud's toast alliance.
• 23:33
  Speaker 3: I'll play.
• 23:34
  Speaker 2: I'll play Fraud ar Con, I'll play Fraud, Certain Darkness,
• 23:41
  Speaker 2: play Fraud.
• 23:42
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 23:42
  Speaker 2: Community card games, what.
• 23:44
  Speaker 3: Do you purge first? Oh? No, you got some good
• 23:47
  Speaker 3: you got some decent purge targets and fraud?
• 23:49
  Speaker 2: Do you have to give up three cards in front?
• 23:54
  Speaker 4: Do you have any of the community cards?
• 23:56
  Speaker 3: I have a bunch of them.
• 23:57
  Speaker 4: Yeah, okay, because not a set, but I have a
• 23:59
  Speaker 4: bunch and that's that they'll be good.
• 24:01
  Speaker 3: Actually, yeah, ye should I pull them out of my
• 24:05
  Speaker 3: binder to bring them?
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: I don't know.
• 24:08
  Speaker 3: Keymander, by the way, I have no plan. Yeah, you know,
• 24:14
  Speaker 3: I've never played Keymander. Here's a fun fact. I don't
• 24:18
  Speaker 3: know how to play Keymander. No, I've never either either.
• 24:22
  Speaker 2: This might be when I finally play it. But it's
• 24:25
  Speaker 2: sposed to be like three decks, So I'll play Sealed
• 24:28
  Speaker 2: Commander where I maybe I only need one.
• 24:29
  Speaker 3: Week or is it too I thought it was two decks.
• 24:32
  Speaker 4: I don't know, man, I don't know.
• 24:34
  Speaker 3: That's probably hold on, it's a oh my gosh, this
• 24:37
  Speaker 3: is a wallet text. Uh two to five players recommended, Okay,
• 24:48
  Speaker 3: six house pods pods of each house. You can have
• 24:57
  Speaker 3: any combination expanses, including illegal spansion such as Nador unchained
• 25:03
  Speaker 3: or civil war. Okay, choose a Keymander creature. So I
• 25:11
  Speaker 3: think they have a whole bunch raight. Yeah. Yeah, starts playing,
• 25:18
  Speaker 3: so it starts playing out of zone or out of
• 25:21
  Speaker 3: play zone whatever, so you can I guess you fund
• 25:26
  Speaker 3: him okay, fully funded? Okay, takes up created places under Keymander.
• 25:33
  Speaker 3: It's fully fund with his two cards, fully funded, Chemo
• 25:36
  Speaker 3: be played.
• 25:38
  Speaker 2: This is amazing.
• 25:40
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I have no idea what.
• 25:43
  Speaker 2: So you you shuffle six odds together, two of two
• 25:48
  Speaker 2: of each house, and then there is a card that
• 25:51
  Speaker 2: you basically perch cards to sort of to keep it running,
• 25:55
  Speaker 2: and then you play key Ford.
• 25:57
  Speaker 3: I mean that's I don't know what I was thinking
• 25:59
  Speaker 3: trying to how to do walk bot without being walk Bot.
• 26:02
  Speaker 3: Sorry guys, you weren't even reading everything. It's felt like
• 26:05
  Speaker 3: you were like glossing over, like uh huh yeah, and
• 26:11
  Speaker 3: how much can you cheat?
• 26:13
  Speaker 4: Oh?
• 26:13
  Speaker 2: My goodness, so do I bring fraud and my copy
• 26:18
  Speaker 2: of Fraud and just shuffle them together to play squared. Okay,
• 26:24
  Speaker 2: I have a Keymander deck. It's Fraud Squared. It's going
• 26:27
  Speaker 2: to be really bad, but it's.
• 26:28
  Speaker 3: What I'm playing. Does it all right? You should you
• 26:31
  Speaker 3: should bring you should bring a copy of fraud? Does
• 26:34
  Speaker 3: it say you need to have six unique pods?
• 26:38
  Speaker 2: Or just not look at the rules too hard?
• 26:41
  Speaker 3: I mean, this isn't a community event, so okay. And
• 26:47
  Speaker 3: if I bring two p decks, does that mean I
• 26:49
  Speaker 3: get four prophecies? You have four? Are you not see
• 26:56
  Speaker 3: it's saying that you can't have identical pods? Yeah?
• 27:00
  Speaker 2: Okay, so double fraud? All right, I've got a deck,
• 27:03
  Speaker 2: all right, reversal is certainly fraud. I just hand him
• 27:09
  Speaker 2: fraud field. Well we can't.
• 27:12
  Speaker 3: We got we gotta do sealed shredder. Okay, can you
• 27:16
  Speaker 3: for seal? For sealed? That's where your your copy comes
• 27:22
  Speaker 3: into play, right, because then you just put it in
• 27:24
  Speaker 3: a team bag and then you open and you're like,
• 27:26
  Speaker 3: oh my god, fraud who knew?
• 27:32
  Speaker 2: Also put it in a box?
• 27:34
  Speaker 3: Yeah? There you go? At were you guys? There? I
• 27:40
  Speaker 3: played at at uh. I think it was a KFC
• 27:47
  Speaker 3: I opened. Maybe it was a different vault. I opened
• 27:50
  Speaker 3: a sealed deck for a pod and uh it was bandola,
• 27:57
  Speaker 3: not the bandola, but it was a bandola. I was like,
• 28:01
  Speaker 3: I opened a pandola, it must be fantastic and it wasn't. Exactly. Yeah.
• 28:07
  Speaker 2: Actually, although the jokes fraud for everything, I'm actually bringing
• 28:11
  Speaker 2: that very same d M deck that I've been pushing
• 28:15
  Speaker 2: people around at locals with and I'll see how far
• 28:18
  Speaker 2: I can carry that this weekend.
• 28:19
  Speaker 4: Well, I mean we are playing sealed against it, specifically.
• 28:23
  Speaker 2: Amber, so I'm gonna let it play some real games
• 28:26
  Speaker 2: this weekend.
• 28:26
  Speaker 3: Okay, okay, yeah, it's it's here again. Is Doctor Sheep
• 28:32
  Speaker 3: playing his ar conduck versus all the sealed ship.
• 28:36
  Speaker 2: It's sleepy Dragons. We've determined it can't be ARCon good.
• 28:42
  Speaker 3: No, there will be. There will be something ARCon good.
• 28:45
  Speaker 3: I think I think we haven't seen a set that
• 28:47
  Speaker 3: bad in a while. You gotta go all the way
• 28:51
  Speaker 3: back to Dark Tidings for a set that bad that
• 28:53
  Speaker 3: didn't even produce a good art Coon deck. Indeed, Rough
• 29:02
  Speaker 3: Dragons will produce.
• 29:03
  Speaker 2: While yeah, so Shredder, which they are going to have
• 29:07
  Speaker 2: Shredder decks. Although Shredder single game is a little weird
• 29:10
  Speaker 2: to me.
• 29:13
  Speaker 3: Oh, it's just more shredding. It sounds like it really
• 29:15
  Speaker 3: gets crazy when you're three three you want to multiple games.
• 29:20
  Speaker 2: But yeah, whatever, it's still fun. Tearing up decks and
• 29:22
  Speaker 2: throwing them away is a good time.
• 29:23
  Speaker 3: So I'm in for that. I tried and didn't even
• 29:27
  Speaker 3: tear them up right in the trash.
• 29:30
  Speaker 2: I gotta I gotta actually pick a try deck.
• 29:33
  Speaker 1: I don't like that.
• 29:37
  Speaker 2: Volta Sault, Volta Salt, which I intend to not play.
• 29:43
  Speaker 2: That's my plan for Voltassault.
• 29:46
  Speaker 3: Yeah, you could just run fraud. I could. I can
• 29:52
  Speaker 3: also just not what.
• 29:56
  Speaker 2: And then there is talk in the community that they're
• 29:58
  Speaker 2: going to run a ce C with Powers, Vault Assault,
• 30:03
  Speaker 2: and certain Darkness all at the same time.
• 30:06
  Speaker 4: All right, you got you guys ready for this? I
• 30:09
  Speaker 4: got how would you do this?
• 30:10
  Speaker 3: No, this is even better, So it should be c
• 30:17
  Speaker 3: C with powers Adaptive. I lost my train of thought, keymander.
• 30:27
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but you can only check off one box, no
• 30:29
  Speaker 2: matter how many, how many flavors.
• 30:32
  Speaker 3: Of man that that would actually be the ticket right there,
• 30:36
  Speaker 3: right like like I need to box together, uh yeah,
• 30:47
  Speaker 3: and and check them all off. Yeah. Adaptive reversal, Vault Assault,
• 30:53
  Speaker 3: Sound I don't work. No, too bad. I mean, I
• 30:59
  Speaker 3: guess is a form of part of adaptive is reversal?
• 31:03
  Speaker 3: I guess maybe I don't know. That's what now when
• 31:05
  Speaker 3: you're playing best of one, h I suppose Wait, is
• 31:12
  Speaker 3: this short adaptive or is this real adaptive short? It's
• 31:18
  Speaker 3: just as adaptive. I didn't see it.
• 31:21
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's described further into roles.
• 31:22
  Speaker 3: But okay, there are so yeah, they say this is.
• 31:26
  Speaker 2: Just one of those things like I have never been
• 31:28
  Speaker 2: at a key Forge event where I have played more
• 31:31
  Speaker 2: than two or three key Forge games that were not
• 31:37
  Speaker 2: dedicated to the main event.
• 31:44
  Speaker 3: So last last year, the Sweet sixteen was very popular.
• 31:48
  Speaker 3: There were lots of people playing all over the place.
• 31:53
  Speaker 3: It it just had good vibes. And people are having
• 31:57
  Speaker 3: to get to a scavenger out this year. Wasn't there
• 32:03
  Speaker 3: a scavenger hunt last year? That's so like all over
• 32:06
  Speaker 3: the city.
• 32:09
  Speaker 4: No, that was ch event. That was the charity event.
• 32:15
  Speaker 3: Okay right, yeah, which by the way, I am. I
• 32:22
  Speaker 3: am bringing the sleeves from the charity event that I
• 32:25
  Speaker 3: did not get to get to go to the charity event.
• 32:28
  Speaker 3: But I don't need it, so I got the leaves.
• 32:30
  Speaker 3: So I'm gonna bring those and use them. Those like sleep.
• 32:33
  Speaker 4: Shoot, I need to bring these, so I.
• 32:35
  Speaker 3: Used my sleep celebration. Were those good? The dragon shields
• 32:45
  Speaker 3: somebody made about dragon shields with Brockner. Yeah, they were
• 32:50
  Speaker 3: all the like brightly sweater stuff, but they were actual
• 32:53
  Speaker 3: dragon shields. They weren't game jenic garbage.
• 32:56
  Speaker 2: Yes, that is correct. I used skagenic sleeves now all
• 33:02
  Speaker 2: the time on board games.
• 33:05
  Speaker 3: Oh, but they're also significantly better than what they used
• 33:11
  Speaker 3: to be.
• 33:12
  Speaker 2: Yeah, probably.
• 33:14
  Speaker 3: Were really bad, not good at all, work in progress. Yes,
• 33:20
  Speaker 3: they were.
• 33:22
  Speaker 2: Trying to teach my kid that instead of saying everything sucks,
• 33:26
  Speaker 2: is room for improvement, keep it from getting in trouble.
• 33:30
  Speaker 3: Wait, now you just say there's.
• 33:32
  Speaker 2: Room for improvement?
• 33:33
  Speaker 4: Who are you? Would you do it?
• 33:35
  Speaker 3: Dan? I don't know. I can say things suck.
• 33:38
  Speaker 2: I'm just saying yeah, So I gotta I gotta practice
• 33:41
  Speaker 2: a little bit little, a little bit of practice on
• 33:43
  Speaker 2: my own part.
• 33:44
  Speaker 3: He's working on his he's working on his positivity.
• 33:47
  Speaker 4: I liked this new Dan. This is great. I'm proud
• 33:51
  Speaker 4: of you man.
• 33:52
  Speaker 3: Now it's awful. It's like lying to people there's room
• 33:56
  Speaker 3: for improvement, But there is.
• 34:00
  Speaker 2: But it's what I have to tell you, here's your
• 34:02
  Speaker 2: participation award.
• 34:06
  Speaker 4: All right, Speaking of Wok, he got a participation award
• 34:10
  Speaker 4: at our locals.
• 34:12
  Speaker 3: It was my car still. I got a amber Skies,
• 34:18
  Speaker 3: I got a number Skies deck.
• 34:20
  Speaker 4: Well it's a special one. It's our store.
• 34:24
  Speaker 3: They all they all broke down in tears. They're like, please,
• 34:27
  Speaker 3: thank you for coming back to play with us, And
• 34:30
  Speaker 3: they all cried a little bit. Oh no, it wasn't
• 34:34
  Speaker 3: an a moment. They were just happy to have a
• 34:36
  Speaker 3: player with even numbers finally again. Yeah, yeah, I mean
• 34:43
  Speaker 3: I got beat up sleek, I got beat up good.
• 34:45
  Speaker 3: I got beat up real good.
• 34:48
  Speaker 2: Yeah, we don't. We don't pull our punches.
• 34:50
  Speaker 3: No, I would never expect you to, but you know,
• 34:57
  Speaker 3: we said, and then we kicked them right in the
• 34:59
  Speaker 3: te Yeah, that's kind of how that went, exactly. It's
• 35:03
  Speaker 3: kind of exactly how that went. But Dan wants to
• 35:06
  Speaker 3: keep the episode short, so let's move into the bit
• 35:10
  Speaker 3: of I guess news, it's news, right, snooze, Well, it
• 35:17
  Speaker 3: is it is it is. Yeah, I mean it's information
• 35:23
  Speaker 3: we did not have yesterday.
• 35:25
  Speaker 4: Let's say, at this time of year, it is news,
• 35:28
  Speaker 4: and we I.
• 35:30
  Speaker 3: Guess we're all wondering and I don't see the thing
• 35:33
  Speaker 3: just leads to the article for the Star Championships and
• 35:37
  Speaker 3: the prize decks were prophetic visions, Like that's what they
• 35:40
  Speaker 3: show us prize decks, Yes, but then they show this
• 35:47
  Speaker 3: mm hm and oh okay, so it does say it
• 35:50
  Speaker 3: in there. I didn't see it because like they have
• 35:51
  Speaker 3: a different Yeah, it's like the battle tested word treasure
• 35:57
  Speaker 3: awarded for the glorious victory. So what you'll be getting
• 36:01
  Speaker 3: as your prize support is key Forge Exclusive key Forge
• 36:07
  Speaker 3: Prophetic Visions decks containing at least one legacy card they do.
• 36:16
  Speaker 3: My favorite part is exactly what Dan says. They show
• 36:20
  Speaker 3: off cards like Control the Week, Library Access, Stealth Mode,
• 36:27
  Speaker 3: and too Much to Protect. But I'm going with Dan's
• 36:30
  Speaker 3: list of what we're gonna get, which includes such such
• 36:35
  Speaker 3: KeyForge All Stars such as Sorry and Egg. Sorry I
• 36:40
  Speaker 3: couldn't say that with a straight face, followed Blaster halikor
• 36:45
  Speaker 3: the Terror Dexter Dive Pod or Knuckles Bolton.
• 36:51
  Speaker 2: Yep, look forward to those reprints. If you're lucky, I mean,
• 36:57
  Speaker 2: you could get al Midra.
• 37:00
  Speaker 3: That's the one that gives a loose or just elusive
• 37:03
  Speaker 3: and Skirmish, just elusive to his s neighbors. It gives elusive.
• 37:07
  Speaker 3: What's the one that's elusive and has skirmish that knuckles
• 37:11
  Speaker 3: bolton knuckles bolton yep, I already picked that one of them.
• 37:15
  Speaker 3: I'm hoping for a broadnar plant. Do you want really rare?
• 37:22
  Speaker 2: You want like a weird rare slot card that has
• 37:26
  Speaker 2: like a one in seven chance of being any house?
• 37:29
  Speaker 3: Do you think that happen cards because of the wh
• 37:33
  Speaker 3: was never finished, right, because we don't we don't have
• 37:35
  Speaker 3: like plants from the houses.
• 37:37
  Speaker 2: So theyes, what were those trash discards?
• 37:42
  Speaker 3: They made one Master of two, Master of three. Now yeah,
• 37:49
  Speaker 3: the cap well, there's a gold camp that's that is
• 37:52
  Speaker 3: the worst one.
• 37:53
  Speaker 2: It was only because the Pitlord because now Pittlord is
• 37:59
  Speaker 2: too much fun and.
• 38:00
  Speaker 3: There isn't this Yeah, true, but there is just some PV.
• 38:08
  Speaker 3: I mean we hated rotting miss right. We just talked
• 38:11
  Speaker 3: about that one. Yeah, can it Maverick from from DM
• 38:17
  Speaker 3: Oh No, that was a c C right.
• 38:20
  Speaker 1: Oh it was like uh.
• 38:22
  Speaker 2: No, it was a single creature type, wasn't it something bank?
• 38:28
  Speaker 3: Oh?
• 38:28
  Speaker 4: Oh? The bands?
• 38:29
  Speaker 3: Yeah, they're all the different bands. Yeah, that's you get.
• 38:33
  Speaker 4: Yes, I'm bringing back some PTSD here.
• 38:35
  Speaker 2: Man, you're getting giants bane.
• 38:38
  Speaker 3: Yes, So I mean I think this is cool. I
• 38:51
  Speaker 3: you know, legacies are fun. Guaranteed legacy is not something
• 38:55
  Speaker 3: we had before. It changes up a little bit. You
• 39:00
  Speaker 3: Now it allows them to keep printing PV without and
• 39:03
  Speaker 3: still say it's sold out because well it's not normal TV.
• 39:06
  Speaker 3: It's like guaranteed guaranteed legacy PV, right or what she
• 39:12
  Speaker 3: said is one worst card in my deck? Yeah, guaranteed work. Yeah,
• 39:19
  Speaker 3: it's talking of a fade effect. So I suppose there's that.
• 39:21
  Speaker 2: We just going to weaken this up a little bit.
• 39:26
  Speaker 2: I wish there was maybe that reprint PV and every
• 39:29
  Speaker 2: deck it's ten ten legacy cards, and then maybe the
• 39:33
  Speaker 2: set will be balanced.
• 39:34
  Speaker 3: What if it was a legacy house, like a whole
• 39:37
  Speaker 3: legacy house.
• 39:40
  Speaker 2: I mean sure, okay, okay, but looking at POP, that
• 39:46
  Speaker 2: would be such a weird thing to think about, Like
• 39:52
  Speaker 2: the the logic you'd have to worry about about cross
• 39:55
  Speaker 2: card interaction becomes huge if any house could be pulled
• 40:01
  Speaker 2: in with a complete set of cards from it. Yeah,
• 40:04
  Speaker 2: and that's just kind of mind boggling to think about.
• 40:08
  Speaker 3: Is mimicry in PV It's not, is it. I don't
• 40:12
  Speaker 3: think it is because that would be dumb. Now you
• 40:19
  Speaker 3: come look forward to save the pack. Oh baby, I'm exciting.
• 40:28
  Speaker 4: Looking at these four looking at these four cards that
• 40:33
  Speaker 4: they listed, which is pretty hot and spicy.
• 40:36
  Speaker 2: They take the traditional six value cards to show us.
• 40:39
  Speaker 4: Yeah, but think about p V. A solid PV deck
• 40:44
  Speaker 4: that now has control the weekend it too, more control
• 40:47
  Speaker 4: or a great a great logos with library access side
• 40:55
  Speaker 4: delth mode going in you know TMTP.
• 40:57
  Speaker 3: Oh god with out with an l A so you
• 41:00
  Speaker 3: got the already good efficiency of PV. Actually don't know
• 41:04
  Speaker 3: if LA is that.
• 41:05
  Speaker 4: I don't Yeah, I don't think LA actually holds up.
• 41:08
  Speaker 4: I do think the control of the week is. I
• 41:10
  Speaker 4: think that in stealth mode are again more control.
• 41:13
  Speaker 2: The MTP is also one that is not actually that
• 41:16
  Speaker 2: exciting because there is not a ton of small a
• 41:19
  Speaker 2: little bit of capture that could be washed into big
• 41:23
  Speaker 2: amber pools.
• 41:23
  Speaker 3: But that's good.
• 41:26
  Speaker 4: I guess that's that's how you get around trinks, right,
• 41:29
  Speaker 4: you trinks and then you go okay here, but you
• 41:33
  Speaker 4: know it's like.
• 41:34
  Speaker 2: It's only secret the first time you play it sealed
• 41:37
  Speaker 2: and then they know.
• 41:38
  Speaker 3: Yeah, you could always get that legacy.
• 41:42
  Speaker 2: So I'm just like I wonder if they did a
• 41:48
  Speaker 2: pass over on what could be legacied and actually cranked
• 41:52
  Speaker 2: it up. Yeah, like did a filter and said none
• 41:56
  Speaker 2: of these bad things, right, just said doubt it. They
• 42:03
  Speaker 2: could be real good, like because your typical legacy.
• 42:07
  Speaker 3: I don't really believe them crash that they know. No,
• 42:12
  Speaker 3: I don't know that they know what's good for that,
• 42:14
  Speaker 3: although I will say this is here. This is the
• 42:20
  Speaker 3: first time I've ever looked at a set of cards
• 42:22
  Speaker 3: where they're like, look at these good cards and been like,
• 42:26
  Speaker 3: those are actually good cards. Like normally they have something
• 42:29
  Speaker 3: like outrageous in there that you're like, why the hell
• 42:31
  Speaker 3: would you have this in this picture?
• 42:33
  Speaker 2: I guess you know, I'm looking at this lesson Outside
• 42:35
  Speaker 2: of T M T P all the other three of
• 42:37
  Speaker 2: all have traditionally been restricted cards in Alliance, they have
• 42:45
  Speaker 2: ways to tell cards that are good.
• 42:48
  Speaker 3: Maybe or maybe they just dot com and filter. That's
• 42:53
  Speaker 3: what they did. They just filtered out all the sixes
• 42:57
  Speaker 3: so you will actually see none of these cards. And yeah,
• 43:01
  Speaker 3: because I said, actually went to uh, well, because a
• 43:05
  Speaker 3: lot of these traditionally zeros and you get candy scrappers.
• 43:12
  Speaker 3: Because wasn't La turned off being able to be legacyed. No, no,
• 43:21
  Speaker 3: it wasn't. You're right, no, it was turned off from
• 43:23
  Speaker 3: being legacied, right, No do you do? Are you the
• 43:27
  Speaker 3: one who has a legacy l A?
• 43:29
  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, okay, I actually have a tendency of being
• 43:34
  Speaker 4: able to pull l A in the legacy format. So
• 43:37
  Speaker 4: it's I have a couple of different acts. They're fun.
• 43:41
  Speaker 3: I just look at that like control the weekend, PV
• 43:43
  Speaker 3: stealth mode and PV.
• 43:49
  Speaker 4: It's more control, Yeah.
• 43:54
  Speaker 2: That's yeah, It's just it's you know, very consistent control. Well,
• 44:00
  Speaker 2: I yeah, it's a good car and control of the weight.
• 44:04
  Speaker 2: They're definitely good cards.
• 44:08
  Speaker 3: Take the I think I'm just gonna open orchanometer, you know,
• 44:14
  Speaker 3: that's just I also wonder if this is going to
• 44:18
  Speaker 3: You're just going to open pointless three power creatures more
• 44:23
  Speaker 3: than likely you thinks that's probably I'm gonna go take
• 44:26
  Speaker 3: a bath with a toaster now.
• 44:29
  Speaker 2: So I'm going to be at cards that you're like, oh,
• 44:31
  Speaker 2: this is real bad that three power guy who and
• 44:34
  Speaker 2: sorry and who moves an amber off of a creature
• 44:36
  Speaker 2: Like hey, he's okay.
• 44:39
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I actually have LA that showed up in my
• 44:43
  Speaker 4: DT deck. It is a fun DT deck just from
• 44:46
  Speaker 4: what it can do, from moving cards and being able
• 44:50
  Speaker 4: to have cards like Tellmage steel hard then or.
• 44:54
  Speaker 3: Hey, here's here's a fun thing to think about, guys.
• 44:58
  Speaker 3: Start Championships are when coming up right April? Yeah, March first,
• 45:03
  Speaker 3: April seven. Here's a fun thing. So we have Star
• 45:08
  Speaker 3: Championships for all three formats, Sealed, ARCon Alliance.
• 45:14
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's still on restricted TV season.
• 45:19
  Speaker 3: Yeah. We don't have a new restricted list for twenty
• 45:21
  Speaker 3: twenty six yet.
• 45:23
  Speaker 2: Nope, maybe there'll be one by then they'll release it
• 45:28
  Speaker 2: like a week before, and everybody were like.
• 45:30
  Speaker 4: Raw right tarjeeves.
• 45:34
  Speaker 2: But I mean, like the four people because even even
• 45:37
  Speaker 2: in ours where we're talking with Sydney about well, what
• 45:40
  Speaker 2: are we going to run for adapt a week and
• 45:42
  Speaker 2: she's like, well, are we all just gonna play my
• 45:45
  Speaker 2: decks again? Are we just gonna play Sealed adaptive and
• 45:47
  Speaker 2: be like Field.
• 45:49
  Speaker 3: A Lion and be good enough whatever?
• 45:55
  Speaker 4: Yeah, and then silver in the corner you're using that
• 45:57
  Speaker 4: adaptive word again.
• 45:59
  Speaker 3: Yeah, keeps creeping in, but yeah we're probably that's a
• 46:02
  Speaker 3: five spot in in the squear jar Man. You know,
• 46:04
  Speaker 3: here's the deal.
• 46:06
  Speaker 2: Even with the Lions players, it's just like, eh, let's
• 46:08
  Speaker 2: just play the alliance formats.
• 46:10
  Speaker 3: That begin with A just throw them out the window
• 46:14
  Speaker 3: adaptive Alliance.
• 46:17
  Speaker 4: Ark.
• 46:19
  Speaker 3: Oh I guess that does start with it.
• 46:20
  Speaker 1: Eh.
• 46:21
  Speaker 4: Hey, that's the other thing we're talking.
• 46:23
  Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, you know what you know what as
• 46:25
  Speaker 3: of recent Yeah, throw out the window because the current
• 46:31
  Speaker 3: metaphor arcan is not great, dont know?
• 46:36
  Speaker 2: I mean, like, if you're have a PB deck that
• 46:40
  Speaker 2: can compete, it's kind of interesting. But yeah, yeah, you
• 46:44
  Speaker 2: have to have a PB deck that can compete.
• 46:46
  Speaker 3: It's how I feel about it. Yeah, I don't and
• 46:48
  Speaker 3: I don't like.
• 46:49
  Speaker 2: I no longer in the market to find good.
• 46:53
  Speaker 3: Decks because you have no reason to find good decks.
• 46:59
  Speaker 2: I mean, yeah, you're right, because I already got well.
• 47:02
  Speaker 3: I mean you you may have a reason to find them,
• 47:05
  Speaker 3: but you the problem is there is zero reason to
• 47:08
  Speaker 3: spend a big any sort of big money on them,
• 47:11
  Speaker 3: which is what everyone else. But they don't. They don't
• 47:13
  Speaker 3: trade hands anyways. What do you think it's it doesn't
• 47:20
  Speaker 3: matter how much money. Some of the best, truly good
• 47:23
  Speaker 3: decks don't change hands anymore. That's true. They just need
• 47:30
  Speaker 3: one of the team groups and get you super on
• 47:33
  Speaker 3: top of it, you need to be super on top
• 47:36
  Speaker 3: of it and as soon as one is open, recognize
• 47:39
  Speaker 3: it rapidly and message the crap out of that person.
• 47:41
  Speaker 3: I mean that's that's the only way to get to
• 47:43
  Speaker 3: get one now, right, I mean that that's I think
• 47:47
  Speaker 3: that's what folks who have accumulated these good decks are doing.
• 47:51
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and I have zero interest in doing that.
• 47:54
  Speaker 3: That's I just don't. Yeah, that sounds sicky. Yeah it
• 47:57
  Speaker 3: sounds like work. What you mean it sounds sicky? No, Yeah,
• 48:03
  Speaker 3: that's where I'm at, Like, I don't want to turn
• 48:07
  Speaker 3: it into work, right, Yep, the Jews ain't worth the squeeze.
• 48:12
  Speaker 3: I've used that now, Phrasen, not twice.
• 48:15
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I only turn your hobby into work. It's it's
• 48:19
  Speaker 2: being fun.
• 48:20
  Speaker 3: Right, And I kind of missed the old days of
• 48:24
  Speaker 3: trying to find some of those good stuff. But like
• 48:27
  Speaker 3: I I'm with Dan, like good decks don't actually don't
• 48:30
  Speaker 3: change anymore.
• 48:31
  Speaker 2: Stuff actually hit the market, and there's lots of stuff
• 48:34
  Speaker 2: being open and traded, but it's it's just condensed now
• 48:37
  Speaker 2: to the point where it's.
• 48:41
  Speaker 3: It's hard.
• 48:42
  Speaker 2: It's I feel like it's it's hard, and then you
• 48:46
  Speaker 2: know what a good arc on deck is worth. These days,
• 48:48
  Speaker 2: which is two to five hundred dollars maybe.
• 48:51
  Speaker 3: Something like that.
• 48:52
  Speaker 2: I guess I don't actually know what good deck's raight for,
• 48:54
  Speaker 2: but that's my guess. And I also don't want to
• 48:57
  Speaker 2: spend that kind of money anymore.
• 48:59
  Speaker 3: It's hard to just fi that amount of money anymore,
• 49:01
  Speaker 3: because I mean, what what do you get out of it?
• 49:05
  Speaker 4: A fun deck that you try at a vault to
• 49:08
  Speaker 4: her uh technically your responses. You get one vault Master
• 49:14
  Speaker 4: twenty three deck.
• 49:19
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and in twenty four I was.
• 49:23
  Speaker 4: Just starting, you know the line, Okay, you can finish.
• 49:26
  Speaker 4: Wait on twenty three one twenty four.
• 49:31
  Speaker 2: You had twenty five and and the foil play mat.
• 49:35
  Speaker 2: I would have liked the foil play mat.
• 49:36
  Speaker 4: The play MAT's awesome.
• 49:38
  Speaker 2: Yeah, play mat is awesome, and you don't even use it.
• 49:43
  Speaker 4: I try to rotate through them. I have too many mats,
• 49:46
  Speaker 4: and I feel that if I don't rotate through I also,
• 49:50
  Speaker 4: I don't know. I have a little worry that it's
• 49:51
  Speaker 4: gonna just flake off. But it seems to be holding
• 49:53
  Speaker 4: up pretty well so far.
• 49:54
  Speaker 3: You could always hang them somewhere in your man dungeon.
• 49:59
  Speaker 4: No, my man dudgeon has each of the boxes from
• 50:02
  Speaker 4: our Yeah, no room for mats. Oh no, there's plenty
• 50:07
  Speaker 4: of room.
• 50:08
  Speaker 3: I feel like we could. I feel like we could
• 50:09
  Speaker 3: fit those in there somewhere, all right.
• 50:11
  Speaker 2: Do we have any more jokes to make on store
• 50:13
  Speaker 2: championship deck?
• 50:14
  Speaker 3: No? No more start. But I mean, I like our
• 50:17
  Speaker 3: idea of like Arkan is single decks, sealed alliance is
• 50:24
  Speaker 3: you know, sealed alliance and then sealed as a three
• 50:31
  Speaker 3: deck pick one. That was our idea dress score. What's
• 50:37
  Speaker 3: your idea? Yeah? Yeah, in fact, well that was that
• 50:45
  Speaker 3: was all. It was all sealed, just different variations of sealed. Great.
• 50:50
  Speaker 3: I mean, I I threw so I is there a world?
• 50:55
  Speaker 4: Let me quiver?
• 50:56
  Speaker 3: I threw a bunch of decks in. I did throw
• 51:00
  Speaker 3: my uh sleepy Dragons deck in there, right, so grainy
• 51:07
  Speaker 3: measures went in. I threw a V twenty five deck
• 51:12
  Speaker 3: in that. I like, there are a couple of things
• 51:16
  Speaker 3: in and then some sealed decks. So that's why I'm breaking.
• 51:23
  Speaker 3: Is I enjoyed? I just I know Dan's just gonna
• 51:28
  Speaker 3: immediately shoot this down and say, no, I mean.
• 51:31
  Speaker 2: Are we are we like sliders? So there are lots
• 51:34
  Speaker 2: of alternate worlds.
• 51:35
  Speaker 3: Maybe yes?
• 51:36
  Speaker 2: Or I got to fit it in this world.
• 51:38
  Speaker 4: If you're trying to go it, if if you're trying
• 51:41
  Speaker 4: to go into later Sliders, it's just it turns all
• 51:44
  Speaker 4: the show Man.
• 51:45
  Speaker 3: But it just doesn't ever tell me, you ever hear
• 51:47
  Speaker 3: how to correctly watch Sliders. Just you can watch what
• 51:51
  Speaker 3: up until season three and then forget what Turname died.
• 51:56
  Speaker 4: See. I love this so much. I wanted to see
• 51:58
  Speaker 4: the end and it was really tough. Boys, it was
• 52:02
  Speaker 4: really tough to watch the end. Yet some crazy stuff.
• 52:05
  Speaker 3: Is there a world and Sheep's gonna immediately say no,
• 52:08
  Speaker 3: So I'm discounting anything. He says. Where sealed is just
• 52:13
  Speaker 3: how we play keyforg Like, there is no more arcan,
• 52:16
  Speaker 3: there is no more alliance. This is just every format
• 52:19
  Speaker 3: is what we've said. We move into a single deck sealed,
• 52:23
  Speaker 3: a three deck sealed, and a sealed alliance. And that's
• 52:26
  Speaker 3: just how key Ford just played competitively, not not like
• 52:33
  Speaker 3: not as a print game, not as a print you said,
• 52:38
  Speaker 3: not as a print game.
• 52:40
  Speaker 2: Right, It's just it's too much money to know you're
• 52:43
  Speaker 2: always throwing stuff away. If there is no chase and
• 52:46
  Speaker 2: no reason to have the cards, and there's no reason
• 52:48
  Speaker 2: to print the cards, that's that's the problem is just
• 52:53
  Speaker 2: ultimately too wasteful at the core for that to be
• 52:58
  Speaker 2: financially successful. They're just people just won't be it with it.
• 53:02
  Speaker 3: Are you sure now the fact I play it that way?
• 53:05
  Speaker 2: No, I'm serre I I yes, You're just I'm saying
• 53:09
  Speaker 2: no because I believe know that if that was actually
• 53:13
  Speaker 2: all there was to the game, it would be dead.
• 53:15
  Speaker 3: There would not be players anymore, we would playing. I
• 53:19
  Speaker 3: feel like that's how a lot of people already like
• 53:24
  Speaker 3: we go to the vault tours and all that, which
• 53:27
  Speaker 3: is just wasteful. Right, there's no there's no.
• 53:30
  Speaker 2: Dream, but there is a little dream you own. You broke,
• 53:35
  Speaker 2: you open something dragged, and you need to go play
• 53:38
  Speaker 2: at the vault. Like would I be more if I
• 53:43
  Speaker 2: cracked something stupid again and had a chance? You know,
• 53:48
  Speaker 2: I would play again? Sure? I mean playing it there
• 53:53
  Speaker 2: is the chance of opening something crack and crushing reap
• 53:58
  Speaker 2: Out's face with it is a little.
• 54:00
  Speaker 3: Bit of value to me.
• 54:02
  Speaker 2: Yes, there's a little bit of that value to to
• 54:05
  Speaker 2: then go and crush people who are investing more time
• 54:08
  Speaker 2: than me and Arkan. Right, but that's it and the
• 54:13
  Speaker 2: only way that's going to happen is I just opened
• 54:15
  Speaker 2: up and totally crack because I get the skill to
• 54:18
  Speaker 2: do it.
• 54:18
  Speaker 3: I just need to look. I wonder where we sit
• 54:21
  Speaker 3: because like at this point, like are we competitive? Are
• 54:27
  Speaker 3: we casuals? I feel like we're somewhere in between. We're
• 54:34
  Speaker 3: definitely not the same kind of hardcore we used to be,
• 54:40
  Speaker 3: that's for sure. No, I'll agree with that because like
• 54:43
  Speaker 3: what I am more, I am shocked to hear this.
• 54:47
  Speaker 4: This is like flabbergas see me at this point, You
• 54:51
  Speaker 4: to tell me this cast is talking about in depth strategy.
• 54:54
  Speaker 2: What well, strategy and key for hasn't changed now in
• 55:00
  Speaker 2: the last couple of years, And I.
• 55:02
  Speaker 3: Will agree with that. The only strategy and keyfarde was
• 55:05
  Speaker 3: the only h key forward strategy change was prophecies. And
• 55:10
  Speaker 3: it's play the dumbest prophecies that you can to make
• 55:13
  Speaker 3: sure that your opponent doesn't get to play things. It's
• 55:16
  Speaker 3: it's guessing what house they're thinking of. That's the strategy. Well,
• 55:20
  Speaker 3: I think I think there's better our current. I think
• 55:23
  Speaker 3: there's better. What was the one when you have the
• 55:25
  Speaker 3: same amount of creatures? I can't remember the name of it,
• 55:27
  Speaker 3: but I know what it does. Stars aligned stars aligned
• 55:30
  Speaker 3: stars aligned that there are better there are there are
• 55:35
  Speaker 3: ones that are better that I mean, I guess it
• 55:38
  Speaker 3: depends on where your strategy lies, right right, Because where
• 55:43
  Speaker 3: your strategy lies, like if you need your prophecies to
• 55:46
  Speaker 3: pop off, right like, you can definitely make sure stars align.
• 55:52
  Speaker 3: You are always in control of stars aligned more or less,
• 55:56
  Speaker 3: because you can make sure if more or less. I
• 56:01
  Speaker 3: don't know. I just I wonder because it's like, normally
• 56:04
  Speaker 3: when something like this said no, because that's not even true.
• 56:07
  Speaker 3: I was gonna say, older sets normally creep back in,
• 56:09
  Speaker 3: but man, you haven't even seen older sets creep back
• 56:12
  Speaker 3: in because it's again it's just well what what what
• 56:15
  Speaker 3: house am I thinking of? Really determines on whether you
• 56:18
  Speaker 3: get to play cards or not, Like it's.
• 56:21
  Speaker 4: You have an impact, Go ahead, I was gonna say,
• 56:25
  Speaker 4: you have an impact with some of the set designed
• 56:28
  Speaker 4: from PB. There are other great sets like ball Master
• 56:32
  Speaker 4: twenty five. It's a little bit more of their people
• 56:34
  Speaker 4: have gotten into so I don't know that they're out.
• 56:40
  Speaker 4: They're literally outclassed by PV. But here here's the thing,
• 56:42
  Speaker 4: what are you chasing? Like the what's your local op scene?
• 56:47
  Speaker 4: Is what you've created for the most part, they've shrunk,
• 56:50
  Speaker 4: are very very small, and it's fun, but it's a
• 56:52
  Speaker 4: social atmosphere. It's a way to be able to get out,
• 56:55
  Speaker 4: and that is still very much appreciated. But the one
• 56:59
  Speaker 4: storyline of events a year, go ahead and show up
• 57:02
  Speaker 4: for KFC. You have maybe maybe one event that's drivable
• 57:06
  Speaker 4: for a vault. For those of us who are blessed,
• 57:10
  Speaker 4: we can go ahead and go to multiple. That's a small,
• 57:14
  Speaker 4: small number. Then then you go to those large events.
• 57:18
  Speaker 4: What are we really looking at? You heard it, you.
• 57:22
  Speaker 3: Heard it from from j R. If you're not going
• 57:25
  Speaker 3: to multiple vaults, you're not blessed.
• 57:28
  Speaker 4: M I'm saying, I'm saying DRez that it's taking it's
• 57:33
  Speaker 4: taking a bit of money in order to be able
• 57:35
  Speaker 4: to go to multiple vaults. And so the question is
• 57:38
  Speaker 4: is that it.
• 57:38
  Speaker 2: Takes money to go to multiple big events for any game.
• 57:41
  Speaker 2: I just don't ever see where you guys are going
• 57:44
  Speaker 2: where this game is.
• 57:48
  Speaker 3: Expensive?
• 57:49
  Speaker 2: Not always what I'm want to say, but no, you
• 57:53
  Speaker 2: cannot go play multiple top level events and anything for nothing,
• 57:58
  Speaker 2: not for nothing and to be a little bit cheaper,
• 58:01
  Speaker 2: because you'll have two that are some level of drivable,
• 58:06
  Speaker 2: or you could be some of these guys who live
• 58:08
  Speaker 2: in stupid parts of the country and there are no
• 58:10
  Speaker 2: major events for them even near them.
• 58:12
  Speaker 4: Like that's I agree, I agree shape with you on that. Here,
• 58:18
  Speaker 4: here's where the difference is, what are you really striving for?
• 58:23
  Speaker 4: So you can go ahead and put in the time
• 58:25
  Speaker 4: and the reps, and you can go ahead and find
• 58:27
  Speaker 4: those decks, and what are.
• 58:29
  Speaker 2: You breaking rights and winning a vault tour?
• 58:32
  Speaker 4: There is breaking rights, but that that's that's where really
• 58:37
  Speaker 4: is stopping. At this point, it has become more of
• 58:40
  Speaker 4: a social experience, I mean individuals.
• 58:44
  Speaker 2: This is a well washed discussion that we've had on
• 58:48
  Speaker 2: this cast where I do not agree with your guys'
• 58:52
  Speaker 2: need for getting more for winning.
• 58:56
  Speaker 3: I don't.
• 58:57
  Speaker 2: I've never I've never had that feeling. I I don't
• 59:02
  Speaker 2: understand that mentality as a driving factor.
• 59:07
  Speaker 3: I don't think you push You're right, but I.
• 59:10
  Speaker 2: Think just from it's it's a much deeper core thing.
• 59:13
  Speaker 2: I think having that as a driving factor in your
• 59:15
  Speaker 2: life leads to a lot of the terrible things that
• 59:19
  Speaker 2: we have in this world.
• 59:20
  Speaker 3: But we're here, he's necessarily talking about stuff like the rookie, right, yes,
• 59:29
  Speaker 3: like exactly like the rookie No reaction is like the
• 59:34
  Speaker 3: Wookie what I guess, I'm confused and where you're headed
• 59:36
  Speaker 3: with that, but uh, not necessarily the stuff, but you're
• 59:44
  Speaker 3: you're talking bragging rights. But it's like, okay, I guess
• 59:49
  Speaker 3: like some of the bigger ones, like if I were
• 59:51
  Speaker 3: to go like over at Baltimore or ro Rochester, I
• 59:56
  Speaker 3: would feel some sense of accomplishment.
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 2: No, I think that winning I think winning any vault
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 2: niney vaults and keep them, I am just flying with them.
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 3: I agree with that.
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 4: I think that any vaults who or win is impressive.
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 2: I just.
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 4: What are you really going for? Like when you talk
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 4: cheap that there's nothing there. I'm not talking for money,
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 4: but like we got to put out some decent prizes
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 4: something that's an incentive there. And it's not just here's one,
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 4: but like if we can't even get a box for
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 4: taking down First, like frankly First has everything, but I
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 4: mean making top eight is still at a very impressive ordeal.
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 2: And yet it's personally, AM just fine with the out
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 2: the prize price vaults, the prizes that vault as comparison
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 2: to attendance, I am just fine with them. We we
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 2: all agree the prizing at Worlds was subpar. Sheep's prize
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 2: for winning a vault or doing well at a vault
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 2: as he likes his picture taken and then putting up
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 2: on a website. No, I like my name and the article.
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 2: I actually don't like the picture.
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 3: Oh okay, well name an article. He likes the recognition. Yeah, yeah,
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 3: you're right, it's recognition. Yeah, it's it is one of
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 3: those things accomplishing something other people haven't accomplished. That's that's all. Yeah,
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 3: that's about what it is for me.
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 4: We're absolutely affirmation there. We appreciate your shape.
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 2: You appreciate me down to my superior play.
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 3: And to a degree, I agree with Sheep, like that
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 3: is that's a drive for me, but like it just like,
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 3: oh is that drive worth? And again, decks aren't changing hands.
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 3: So it's the secondary market's very stale. Anything being posted
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 3: for hundreds of dollars is typically not worth what the
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 3: person is asking for. I think, can we all agree
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 3: upon it?
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 4: I don't know.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know if I can agree because I haven't
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 2: actually seen anything posted in the hundreds of dollars and
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 2: then reviewed it and said yes or no to it.
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 2: I've seen, like I turned off my d ok notifications
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 2: for deck sales because.
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 3: I've been I've been looking into okay for a while now,
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 3: and I'm just like, ah, I don't think this cuts
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 3: the mustard.
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 2: Well, but you're you're a different person than it comes
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 2: to shopping, because you won't you look at a deck
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 2: and if you don't think it's like one of the
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 2: three best decks in the world, you are like a
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 2: discounting it immediately kind of guy.
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 3: You you have a very very very high criteria and
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 3: I won't disagree with you when I shop for decks
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 3: because if I mean, if I don't think it's going
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 3: to do what I'm looking for it to do, is
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 3: it worth the money that somebody is asking for it? Well,
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 3: it's not to you, that is That is the clear answer. Okay,
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 3: I don't I don't think.
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 2: I don't think your price is aligned with what other
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 2: people think decks are worth when they're.
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 3: And I think everybody else is. Deck of valuation prices
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 3: is absolutely bananas.
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 2: Well that's fine, right, Like we don't have to agree.
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 2: They're the seller, they get to set the price.
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 3: You are one hundred percent correct, you know, there is
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 3: speaking of buying decks like I used to folks may
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 3: remember from way back. Yeah, you like them all way
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 3: back on the cast. Like I used to buy decks, Yeah,
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 3: I would buy I would find the most interesting deck
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 3: I could find for thirty bucks. Like that was fun.
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 3: That was a fun game, and you know I would
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 3: just bring them to local play on whatever, right and
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 3: just have some fun. But you know, it killed that
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 3: for me because I didn't buy real ARCon decks. No,
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 3: it was we When key Forge came back and it
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 3: was only Arcan and there was no sealed I was
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 3: like shit, Like I bought all these decks because I
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 3: really just wanted to play c And I was like,
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 3: I bought all these decks, but none of them can
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 3: actually be used. So I was like, I guess I
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 3: have to start looking at our condex. And I never
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 3: actually went back to finding on decks for thirty bucks.
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 3: And yeah, I never went back to it. Yeah, it's
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 3: play groups and I'm not super looking for Yeah.
• 1:04:23
  Speaker 2: Yeah, play groups are small now, it's even harder. That's
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 2: when you show up like I keep showing up with
• 1:04:28
  Speaker 2: my currently okay DM deck and yeah, basically what I'm
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 2: gonna I'm gonna keep beating up people who want to
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 2: play sealed decks against it, and then sooner or later,
• 1:04:38
  Speaker 2: mister Purfer is going to start bringing out his decks
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 2: that are well in line to beat it up and
• 1:04:44
  Speaker 2: start taking my lunch money, which is fair, but it's
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 2: just I don't know, it's it's hard.
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 3: It is.
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 2: It is hard to find places to play the medium
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 2: stuff unless your group is willing to play all those
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 2: extra rules on top formats we were talking about a
• 1:04:59
  Speaker 2: little bit at the beginning. Name yeah, unless you actually
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 2: have a very good casual playgroup, which you know technically
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 2: we do here, but we just we would rather just
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 2: we're junkies. We'd rather see something new, didn't even try
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 2: something we've already seen before. That's it's just more interesting.
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 2: It's what's this one got to offer?
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 4: Oh nothing, it's a lottery ticket. It's a chance to
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 4: be able to play something fun. And again the price
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 4: point to code play for a couple hours with friends
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 4: is is amazing.
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, yeah, and it's uh, that'll be interesting.
• 1:05:42
  Speaker 3: Should maybe I should go back look at weird.
• 1:05:45
  Speaker 2: Decks The game goes forward here. Yeah, Like we we've
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 2: talked about a little bit before, PV being overpowered, which
• 1:05:53
  Speaker 2: I think comes back down to just core design philosophy stuff,
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 2: which is they added a new play zone and effect
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 2: which adds value to cards. So you either have to
• 1:06:08
  Speaker 2: detune parts of the cards to equal out that they're better,
• 1:06:15
  Speaker 2: or you get what you have in PV, which is
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 2: the base strength of the card is as good, if
• 1:06:20
  Speaker 2: not better than cards have always been. Plus they now
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 2: have a bonus feature that gives them more value, so
• 1:06:25
  Speaker 2: you just have a higher value across the whole set, right.
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 4: And when when the control goes outside of a normal
• 1:06:35
  Speaker 4: order of turn, so there's no.
• 1:06:39
  Speaker 2: Way to meaningfully interact with it out of set. And
• 1:06:41
  Speaker 2: that's where Woe was a secret success in that there
• 1:06:47
  Speaker 2: was like what a token was played just find with
• 1:06:52
  Speaker 2: traditional key for rules, it's just a relatively mediocre value creature,
• 1:06:57
  Speaker 2: but it had that opportunity cost where it's like, this
• 1:07:00
  Speaker 2: card is either a two value creature if you tokenize it,
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 2: or the card you may be giving up your five
• 1:07:07
  Speaker 2: and six value cards. And that becomes a risk and
• 1:07:11
  Speaker 2: a balancing factor, right because you know, like you're yep on,
• 1:07:18
  Speaker 2: you're not making the choice. And like Woe decks that
• 1:07:22
  Speaker 2: were really strong stuff. It was they had a little
• 1:07:24
  Speaker 2: more option where you're like oh, I'm only turning my
• 1:07:26
  Speaker 2: ones and twos into tokens and able to keep the
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 2: good cards in cycle. Or you see a lot of
• 1:07:31
  Speaker 2: people talking about war Wold fails as like, well, yeah,
• 1:07:33
  Speaker 2: you got three really strong cards in your deck and
• 1:07:35
  Speaker 2: they turned into tokens and you lose that game because
• 1:07:37
  Speaker 2: they got turned.
• 1:07:37
  Speaker 3: Into tokens and it's just a luck thing with woe
• 1:07:41
  Speaker 3: to win sometimes.
• 1:07:42
  Speaker 2: Where you know, that was part of the elegance of
• 1:07:46
  Speaker 2: that set was that there was a potential cost to
• 1:07:51
  Speaker 2: playing these cards for their alternate value, where that really
• 1:07:56
  Speaker 2: doesn't exist in PV Right, It's yeah, you get to always,
• 1:08:02
  Speaker 2: almost always choose to play your cards for their highest
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 2: value use every time you have them, so you just
• 1:08:09
  Speaker 2: you know, the set's just stronger. And it's where again
• 1:08:11
  Speaker 2: you start looking at the Sleepy Dragon rules. Sleepy Dragons
• 1:08:16
  Speaker 2: have this stay exhausted mechanic, which means there's a cost
• 1:08:21
  Speaker 2: to doing it sometimes to get a very clear benefit
• 1:08:25
  Speaker 2: that your opponent can respond to through very traditional key
• 1:08:29
  Speaker 2: forge measures. Right, Oh, he's entrenching that creature which is
• 1:08:32
  Speaker 2: going to allow him to do this things. I need
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 2: to kill that creature. Cards and decks are already designed
• 1:08:38
  Speaker 2: to do that so you can interact with what's happening there, right,
• 1:08:43
  Speaker 2: and then the whole overwhelmed mechanic is a catch up mechanic,
• 1:08:50
  Speaker 2: you know, like it's again like you're not the core
• 1:08:54
  Speaker 2: aspects of keyboards. Nothing is changing. There's nothing that a
• 1:08:57
  Speaker 2: previous deck you know is like you understand, like a
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 2: previous deck understands how to play a inst overwhelm, well,
• 1:09:04
  Speaker 2: play more or less creatures. Certainly some decks can play
• 1:09:08
  Speaker 2: more or less creatures, right, just based off of counts,
• 1:09:11
  Speaker 2: But the the mechanic isn't anything. Oh this world where
• 1:09:15
  Speaker 2: it's just like I have no way to interact with
• 1:09:18
  Speaker 2: that h And that's that's again. It's where PV was
• 1:09:23
  Speaker 2: a thing. And also sometimes where DT failed, well DT
• 1:09:27
  Speaker 2: failed because they didn't they actually did too much balancing
• 1:09:30
  Speaker 2: where they're like, oh, when there is a tide, it's
• 1:09:33
  Speaker 2: a little stronger, and when there isn't a tide, it's
• 1:09:36
  Speaker 2: a little weaker. But because the tide trades and there
• 1:09:40
  Speaker 2: wasn't enough tide raising on average, you ended up with
• 1:09:42
  Speaker 2: the weaker half of the cards and it was terrible, right,
• 1:09:46
  Speaker 2: that's right.
• 1:09:46
  Speaker 3: And sometimes yeah, it was like as powerful as the
• 1:09:53
  Speaker 3: old card if you had the tide with you and
• 1:09:56
  Speaker 3: weaker if you didn't like what right, it was just
• 1:10:00
  Speaker 3: I was tuned a little too Yeah, is.
• 1:10:02
  Speaker 2: Tuned too soft right to be truly competitive. But that's
• 1:10:06
  Speaker 2: you know, it's like it's just core. I don't know,
• 1:10:08
  Speaker 2: I think you look, you sit down and you think
• 1:10:10
  Speaker 2: about it. And certainly didn't think about it when I
• 1:10:13
  Speaker 2: was looking at the cards the first time, because I'm
• 1:10:15
  Speaker 2: not a designer. But as I sit here and play
• 1:10:17
  Speaker 2: and think about it, and we use metrics to define
• 1:10:19
  Speaker 2: the cards, it's kind of easy to see these things
• 1:10:21
  Speaker 2: where it's like, you know, if a card is this
• 1:10:25
  Speaker 2: strong and now it gets additional things that make it stronger,
• 1:10:29
  Speaker 2: it's just a better card than we've ever had before, right,
• 1:10:32
  Speaker 2: which means on average, these decks are just going to
• 1:10:35
  Speaker 2: be better than anything we've had before. And there's nothing
• 1:10:39
  Speaker 2: that I'm sleeping in Sleepy Dragons that does that kind
• 1:10:42
  Speaker 2: of math, and definitely the previous You know, while we've
• 1:10:46
  Speaker 2: seen most of the set, right, there's not There have
• 1:10:50
  Speaker 2: not been a lot of twenties in that set that
• 1:10:53
  Speaker 2: I've seen, So we'll see where enough.
• 1:10:58
  Speaker 3: But Sheep needs to go to bed. He's got to
• 1:11:01
  Speaker 3: get up at five o'clock in the morning, and then
• 1:11:04
  Speaker 3: I do get to.
• 1:11:08
  Speaker 4: Now go have fun. Guys, I gotta I gotta drive.
• 1:11:12
  Speaker 2: To the south side of Chicago for work, then drive
• 1:11:15
  Speaker 2: back home to do to take my coworker to get
• 1:11:21
  Speaker 2: our heavy duty truck so I could then get my
• 1:11:23
  Speaker 2: stuff to then go back to Chicago to get on
• 1:11:26
  Speaker 2: a plane. So my actual travel time tomorrow is going
• 1:11:31
  Speaker 2: to be.
• 1:11:31
  Speaker 3: Like, is anybody streaming in that car?
• 1:11:34
  Speaker 2: No, there's talk of at least two or three people
• 1:11:37
  Speaker 2: having streaming setups.
• 1:11:40
  Speaker 3: There is. However, it might just be recorded because so
• 1:11:46
  Speaker 3: last year there was enough stream but the internet and
• 1:11:50
  Speaker 3: Amish country is not so good. What do you mean
• 1:11:56
  Speaker 3: by that? Yeah, yeah, go ahead and say it out loud.
• 1:12:02
  Speaker 3: They're not listening.
• 1:12:04
  Speaker 2: The random bakery off the back of parts are often
• 1:12:07
  Speaker 2: very good at not much company country.
• 1:12:09
  Speaker 4: Yes, that's true, that is true.
• 1:12:10
  Speaker 3: I'm going to miss the Schmorgesborg. I have you know
• 1:12:13
  Speaker 3: what's funny as you mentioned it and then all of
• 1:12:15
  Speaker 3: a sudden, like my TikTok was like, oh, check out
• 1:12:18
  Speaker 3: this place called whatever whatever Smorgsborg and it's shady, that's
• 1:12:24
  Speaker 3: the one, and I'm like, oh, man, now, I'm really
• 1:12:26
  Speaker 3: mad that I'm not going to get to see this
• 1:12:28
  Speaker 3: joint because it looks absolutely just a sheer vision of
• 1:12:33
  Speaker 3: taking it all and it's kind of like, wow, that's
• 1:12:36
  Speaker 3: that's a help. Well, yeah, it's it's it's kind of outrageous,
• 1:12:39
  Speaker 3: it's it's yeah, it's awesome. Yeah, it's awesome. Man, weird, strange,
• 1:12:44
  Speaker 3: I get it, but like you look at it and
• 1:12:46
  Speaker 3: they're like, h I watched this one thing where a
• 1:12:49
  Speaker 3: dude's like, I never tried chicken hearts and they have
• 1:12:51
  Speaker 3: chicken hearts and I was like, oh, I would not
• 1:12:55
  Speaker 3: try that. You're a brave soul. It's just what you mean.
• 1:13:00
  Speaker 3: If you're going to Echo, have a good time. This
• 1:13:02
  Speaker 3: probably won't be out until after you're already at Echo.
• 1:13:04
  Speaker 3: You're probably listening to this on your flight home. If
• 1:13:06
  Speaker 3: you are listening to this, they can't know all my
• 1:13:08
  Speaker 3: fraud plan secrets. I think we all knew your fraud
• 1:13:12
  Speaker 3: planned secret because it's not gonna lie. I think we
• 1:13:15
  Speaker 3: are already all on board with like, Yep, that's probably
• 1:13:17
  Speaker 3: what's gonna happen.
• 1:13:21
  Speaker 2: Unpredictable.
• 1:13:22
  Speaker 3: Yeah, you never know what Sheep's gonna do. With that
• 1:13:27
  Speaker 3: being said, and we will see you all next week.
• 1:13:31
  Speaker 4: No, no.
• 1:14:06
  Speaker 1: We in southern borders with the from strength. Ain't nobody
• 1:14:10
  Speaker 1: paying no to feel the pain and you could be next.
• 1:14:13
  Speaker 1: You better keep respect it sing nobody breaking his red neck.
• 1:14:18
  Speaker 1: No pale w none, No pale mo dun tell mad none,
• 1:14:22
  Speaker 1: No pale mom done, pal my done, No pale mom none.
• 1:14:27
  Speaker 1: Ain't looking scared now.
• 1:14:28
  Speaker 2: They don't pay mom.
• 1:14:30
  Speaker 4: Now I'm gonna macks rock