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No One Wants To Marry Harry (Let’s Marry Harry Reunion Recap) · The Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous Podcast

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  Speaker 1: This is the Almost Famous Podcast with iHeartRadio.
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  Speaker 2: Welcome back to Kind of Famous. I'm Deanna Pappas, and
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  Speaker 2: I am here with producer Heather, and we are ready
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  Speaker 2: to recap Let's Marry Harry season one reunion. Lots of
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  Speaker 2: jaw-dropping moments in this episode. I am like bursting at
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  Speaker 2: the seams over here.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know, Heather.
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  Speaker 2: Overall, what did you think? Do you still want to
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  Speaker 2: marry Harry?
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  Speaker 3: I don't know if I still want to marry Harry,
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  Speaker 3: but I'm going to go out on a bold statement
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  Speaker 3: and say this was maybe the worst reunion I've ever
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  Speaker 3: seen of any television show of all time.
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  Speaker 2: There were so many things. I was a little shocked.
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  Speaker 2: at how they just let all the women go ham.
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  Speaker 2: And again, all I have to compare this on is
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  Speaker 2: like The Bachelor and The Bachelorette reunions. And we are
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  Speaker 2: put on our best behavior when they set us all
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  Speaker 2: up there like little dolls. We're put on our best behavior.
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  Speaker 2: It's like we're better seen and not heard. And these
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  Speaker 2: women were not that. So I was definitely from the
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  Speaker 2: jump of this episode, like my mouth was hanging open
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  Speaker 2: at what these girls could say, their reactions, and how
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  Speaker 2: much they let these women deep dive.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I wasn't surprised by the anger, aggression, wanting to
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  Speaker 3: get the feelings out. My issue more so of why
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  Speaker 3: I did not like this comes from the overall structure
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  Speaker 3: of the program. So I've watched a million and a
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  Speaker 3: half reunions in my lifetime, going all the way back
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  Speaker 3: to MTV used to do the first reunions for like
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  Speaker 3: real world and road rules back in the day. obviously
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  Speaker 3: Housewives has taken the reunion to a whole nother level.
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  Speaker 3: They do theirs in like a three-parter sometimes for Housewives.
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  Speaker 3: So I've watched a lot of reunions, obviously Bachelor, you know,
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  Speaker 3: after the final rose and Women Tell All as well.
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  Speaker 1: And my issue is, is that.
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  Speaker 3: You've had so many great ones done, like we just
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  Speaker 3: listed off. This is actually not a time to try
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  Speaker 3: and reinvent the wheel. This is the time to actually
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  Speaker 3: follow something that another television show has done and execute
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  Speaker 3: it accurately. So we'll get into it, but I just
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  Speaker 3: want to let everybody know we are talking deep spoilers.
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  Speaker 3: If this is a problem, like click off now. But
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  Speaker 3: first 40 minutes I texted you, Harry is not.
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  Speaker 1: In the reunion.
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  Speaker 3: 40 minutes of just the women talking about Harry.
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  Speaker 1: There was no live audience. I know because we asked
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  Speaker 1: if we could be in the audience for this.
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  Speaker 2: I was like on a work trip texting Heather, like,
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  Speaker 2: please fulfill all my.
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  Speaker 1: Dreams right now. I need to go. I wanted to
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  Speaker 1: go too.
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  Speaker 3: And they were like, yeah, there's not going to be
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  Speaker 3: an audience for this. And I was like, okay. And so,
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  Speaker 3: which I do think changes the vibes, you know, when
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  Speaker 3: people are entering the stage to silence. So that, I
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  Speaker 3: don't know how I really felt about that. Housewives reunions
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  Speaker 3: have no audience. Everybody's already out on the stage. It
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  Speaker 3: doesn't really bump me then. For some reason, I felt
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  Speaker 3: like maybe a little bit of energy was missing. Overall,
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  Speaker 3: what did you think of Haley Bailey being the.
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  Speaker 1: Host of this?
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  Speaker 2: I actually really liked her. I have only seen her
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  Speaker 2: on social media. I've seen her work a couple of
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  Speaker 2: red carpets. I actually thought that she did a really
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  Speaker 2: good job and she's just, she's gorgeous. You know, everybody
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  Speaker 2: looked really gorgeous. Every one of the women looked really gorgeous.
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  Speaker 2: You know what I think about, and because I'm a selfish, self-centered,
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  Speaker 2: washed up reality star, I think I would never fit
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  Speaker 2: in reality TV these days. I'm looking at all these women,
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  Speaker 2: and they are looking so gorgeous.
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  Speaker 1: Their hair, their nails, their jewelry. And I am not.
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  Speaker 2: I am a jeans and t-shirt kind of girl. I
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  Speaker 2: am the most plain that I could possibly be. And
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  Speaker 2: I just thought, everybody looks great.
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  Speaker 1: On point.
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  Speaker 2: And I remember thinking that, like, I want to look
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  Speaker 2: so fine for the guy who just dumped me on
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  Speaker 2: national television, but they all just look gorgeous, everybody.
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  Speaker 1: And I thought Haley Bailey did a great job.
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  Speaker 2: I think she's the right amount of serious and funny.
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  Speaker 2: And I thought this is a big, big job for
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  Speaker 2: her to take on. And I thought she did a
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  Speaker 2: good job. I don't know.
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  Speaker 1: What do you think? It was.
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  Speaker 3: I had no issues with her. I would say that
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  Speaker 3: I didn't see any humorous side in her. I saw
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  Speaker 3: all pretty even-keeled seriousness. My only thought when I was
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  Speaker 3: watching it was, this would actually be the role that
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  Speaker 3: I would be okay with Alex Cooper taking. Of all
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  Speaker 3: the things, I was like, this is actually where you
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  Speaker 3: should step in. And I understand, right? She's friends with him,
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  Speaker 3: but I think so is Haley Bailey.
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  Speaker 2: She said that in the opening scene that she and
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  Speaker 2: Harry know each other and that they're friends.
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  Speaker 1: Exactly.
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  Speaker 3: So to me, I was like, as gorgeous as she
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  Speaker 3: is and as well as I think she handled herself,
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  Speaker 3: to me, I was like, This is actually the part
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  Speaker 3: where I would totally be fine with Alex Cooper coming in,
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  Speaker 3: doing her thing, having behind-the-scenes knowledge of how this show
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  Speaker 3: came about, her connection to Harry, being able to speak.
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  Speaker 3: I also think that, again, with these mentors.
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  Speaker 1: They gave us so much of them in this season.
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  Speaker 3: And then for some reason, the final episode– And this reunion,
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  Speaker 3: I mean, they were in there for a sprinkle, like
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  Speaker 3: if that.
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  Speaker 1: It was so quick where I was like.
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  Speaker 3: These mentors could have been more involved in this conversation.
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  Speaker 3: It started to feel really repetitive to me when I
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  Speaker 3: was watching. And I kept being like, I kept checking
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  Speaker 3: and being like, how much longer? Like I kept like
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  Speaker 3: looking at the time.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, so I agree, Heather.
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  Speaker 2: I kept looking at my screen and I honestly, I
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  Speaker 2: wanted to fast forward. There was so much meat in
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  Speaker 2: the sandwich that I just didn't need. And as someone
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  Speaker 2: who is following the show for our podcast, I watched it,
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  Speaker 2: but there were many, countless, to be honest, that I
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  Speaker 2: wanted to fast forward and I wanted to get to
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  Speaker 2: the parts that I really wanted to see, which were
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  Speaker 2: Danelle and Amber.
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  Speaker 1: Some of the other stuff I wanted to hear about,
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  Speaker 1: you know what I mean? But I didn't need.
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  Speaker 2: That much of it. Also, side note, did you know
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  Speaker 2: that Georgia has a podcast?
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  Speaker 1: Oh, yes. The ex-girlfriend. Georgia, one of the mentors. No.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, so I was scrolling last night as you and
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  Speaker 2: I were texting about the show. And of course, all
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  Speaker 2: in my feed is Let's Marry Harry stuff, you know?
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  Speaker 2: And there is a clip of Georgia from her podcast
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  Speaker 2: talking about the filming. And she still doesn't... give a
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  Speaker 2: whole ample amount of information about the show, but she
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  Speaker 2: did talk a little bit more about her friendship and
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  Speaker 2: her relationship with Harry and why she was a good choice.
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  Speaker 2: But she also said that she wished the show had
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  Speaker 2: shown more of that, that the mentors had this role
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  Speaker 2: in the show to help guide him, but that it wasn't,
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  Speaker 2: not a lot of it was shown and she actually
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  Speaker 2: thought it was a really good piece for the show
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  Speaker 2: because she's friends with Harry and she knows him and
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  Speaker 2: she dated him and she got to know these women
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  Speaker 2: more than it was shown on the television show. I
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  Speaker 2: don't know. I just thought the bit was, I wish
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  Speaker 2: I knew more about that. When we got the reunion,
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  Speaker 2: I wish it wasn't so much about the drama and
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  Speaker 2: the clear, clear consensus that the women are not happy
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  Speaker 2: with Harry.
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  Speaker 3: I've never seen a reunion where the lead gets dumped
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  Speaker 3: on so.
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  Speaker 2: Much.
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  Speaker 3: We'll get into some of the things that happened, but
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  Speaker 3: I was just, overall, I was surprised by things that
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  Speaker 3: were spoken about, things.
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  Speaker 1: That weren't spoken about. And I was, this is what
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  Speaker 1: I was going to say. I was surprised there wasn't
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  Speaker 1: more levity.
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  Speaker 3: Harry is very funny and light, I think, most of
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  Speaker 3: his life. And I think that this situation with him
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  Speaker 3: and all these girls, there's no way that it was
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  Speaker 3: tense and awkward and dramatic the entire time. There had
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  Speaker 3: to have been more moments of levity. And something that
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  Speaker 3: people love about After the Final Rose is the blooper reel,
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  Speaker 3: you know?
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  Speaker 1: And those kinds of moments.
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  Speaker 3: And so I wish they leaned into a little bit
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  Speaker 3: more of the funny, even funny stuff that happens with
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  Speaker 3: these girls in their interview chairs, you know, or something
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  Speaker 3: funny that happens on a date. So we didn't get
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  Speaker 3: to see a lot of that. We just got to
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  Speaker 3: see like the unseen footage too. I was like, this
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  Speaker 3: actually could have stayed unseen. Like it was not necessarily.
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  Speaker 1: Great, but yeah.
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  Speaker 3: So we start out, everybody's on this giant soundstage.
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  Speaker 1: All I noticed too was that everybody was so spread out.
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  Speaker 3: They were trying to make it look really, really full,
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  Speaker 3: I think, because of, again, no audience. So if you're
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  Speaker 3: shooting on a giant soundstage by yourself and there's no
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  Speaker 3: seating for audience and you're not showing the people and
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  Speaker 3: the crew behind the camera, you got to really spread
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  Speaker 3: out that furniture, spread out those girls so that it
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  Speaker 3: makes it look full.
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  Speaker 1: But it made... When they did the wide shots, it
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  Speaker 1: made some of.
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  Speaker 3: These girls look like they were a gazillion miles away
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  Speaker 3: from the host, which was, I don't know, wasn't.
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  Speaker 1: Pleasing to the eye as a viewer.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: But for the tight shots, it looked fine.
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  Speaker 3: So Haley asks all the girls why they wanted to
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  Speaker 3: marry Harry and if they thought he was marriage material.
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  Speaker 3: And Emma starts out by being abso-fucking-lutely not. And it's like, Okay,
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  Speaker 3: here we go. Everybody knows that it was Harry. Everybody
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  Speaker 3: signed up for this on their own. It wasn't a gotcha.
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  Speaker 3: And some girls have put out differing information out there
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  Speaker 3: on the internet. We know that Harry posted about the
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  Speaker 3: casting for the show. So they might not have known
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  Speaker 3: it was Harry when they first got approached about the show.
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  Speaker 1: But eventually before they became... Got on. They all knew.
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  Speaker 1: A hundred percent.
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  Speaker 3: And they might not have known about Harry or who
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  Speaker 3: he was, but that is like up to them.
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  Speaker 1: And I have worked on these shows.
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  Speaker 3: I have worked on shows where I was not allowed
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  Speaker 3: to tell the people who the host was, what the
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  Speaker 3: network was.
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  Speaker 1: And then the host just showed up at their business.
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  Speaker 3: Like they actually had no idea who was doing the
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  Speaker 3: show up until that moment.
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  Speaker 1: That's wild. Yeah. Those are very difficult to do.
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  Speaker 2: I do like that this happened, Heather, because you and
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  Speaker 2: I have discussed this this entire season. You knew who
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  Speaker 2: Harry was. Yeah, I didn't know a lot about Harry
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  Speaker 2: Jousey or who he was. But we've discussed this really
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  Speaker 2: all season about this portrayal of Harry. We have joked
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  Speaker 2: about him still being a fuckboy. And And then we've
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  Speaker 2: talked about the social media buzz about people talking about
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  Speaker 2: they didn't know what they were signing up for and
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  Speaker 2: how Harry put out.
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  Speaker 1: That video that, yeah, you did. This is not, this
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  Speaker 1: is no surprise.
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  Speaker 3: The ones also that said they didn't know that they
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  Speaker 3: were getting married. And he was like, you, you designed
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  Speaker 3: your engagement rings. Like, what are you talking about? So yeah,
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  Speaker 3: there's been a lot of like discourse all the way
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  Speaker 3: down to some of this nitty gritty stuff. And it's like,
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  Speaker 3: at the end of the day, you all knew that
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  Speaker 3: you were coming on a reality show. You all knew
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  Speaker 3: you were coming on a dating reality show that could end.
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  Speaker 1: In marriage for one of you.
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  Speaker 3: And at some point, you either found out and were
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  Speaker 3: told directly that it was Harry Jousey or it was
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  Speaker 3: made public knowledge and maybe people that you were talking
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  Speaker 3: to on the team assumed that you knew.
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  Speaker 1: I've never been like that on a team.
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  Speaker 3: If it's like public knowledge, I make sure to call
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  Speaker 3: my people and tell them like, hey, just in case.
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  Speaker 3: But I know that people claimed the same About Taylor
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  Speaker 3: Frankie Paul being the Bachelorette, saying that some of those
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  Speaker 3: guys that were on her season were in the mix
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  Speaker 3: before she was announced.
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  Speaker 2: But I know personally, that's how the show does it.
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  Speaker 2: That's how every show does it. Oh, I didn't know
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  Speaker 2: that about every show. I mean, that's your specialty right there.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, just in the sense of like, if the
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  Speaker 3: lead hasn't been announced publicly... then it's not being told
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  Speaker 3: to the people that are auditioning for said show because
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  Speaker 3: nobody's letting that leak out early. But once it's made
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  Speaker 3: public knowledge, then that means the talent is made public.
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  Speaker 3: You know, the people that are in the running, sometimes
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  Speaker 3: they'll have you sign like an NDA in advance. But again,
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  Speaker 3: you have to already basically be on the show to
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  Speaker 3: get that kind of information. They're not going to tell
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  Speaker 3: you like, The first time you sit down with a
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  Speaker 3: casting person, like it's going to be when you're way
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  Speaker 3: deep into the process.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know who.
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  Speaker 2: Dubbed Emma like the leader of this circus for the
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  Speaker 2: reunion last night, but I actually thought she did a
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  Speaker 2: really good job.
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  Speaker 3: It's funny how some girls start to really want to
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  Speaker 3: use their voice at these reunions.
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  Speaker 2: Well, I've been seeing her a lot on social media too.
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  Speaker 2: When I am scrolling, it is a lot of her stuff.
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  Speaker 2: And I just, you know, you know, I have issues.
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  Speaker 2: And for everyone listening, you know, I have issues. I
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  Speaker 2: did myself a service and I did not follow any
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  Speaker 2: of these women.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, I was going to say, did you download TikTok finally?
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  Speaker 3: Nope.
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  Speaker 2: No TikTok for this mama. Like, are you telling, I
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  Speaker 2: barely showed up for this podcast this morning. You want
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  Speaker 2: me to spend time scrolling TikTok too?
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  Speaker 1: Come on, Heather.
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  Speaker 3: Anytime I text Deanna a TikTok, she goes, Heather, I
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  Speaker 3: don't have TikTok.
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  Speaker 2: I literally click it and then it tries to open
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  Speaker 2: in Safari and it won't. And I'm like, Heather, you
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  Speaker 2: just tell me what they say. I just, I cannot
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  Speaker 2: have one more thing to take up any of my
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  Speaker 2: free time.
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  Speaker 1: It's valuable.
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  Speaker 2: But I will say I did follow Harry Jousey because
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  Speaker 2: he's the star of the show. And truly this is
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  Speaker 2: about him. We all signed up to watch Harry Jousey.
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  Speaker 2: These women signed up to come on and see Harry Jousey.
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  Speaker 2: But what I appreciated from Emma was that I think
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  Speaker 2: that she described our boy exactly what he is.
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  Speaker 1: She described him as that token fuck boy.
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  Speaker 2: But she sees it in him. He cares deeply and
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  Speaker 2: that eventually... He will probably be ready for this. But
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  Speaker 2: in this, was he?
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  Speaker 1: Absolutely not. I think that we said similar things, right?
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  Speaker 3: Like, you know, sometimes it takes a moment in a
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  Speaker 3: playboy's life to be the thing that actually gets him
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  Speaker 3: to settle down. And I've heard differing kind of things
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  Speaker 3: on the internet about this. I've heard that Netflix actually
• 15:11
  Speaker 3: came to him with the idea of the show that
• 15:14
  Speaker 3: it wasn't the other way around, right? So it's the
• 15:17
  Speaker 3: same thing. You can say the same stuff with The Bachelor, right?
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  Speaker 3: How many bachelors have we had in the history of
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  Speaker 3: the show who weren't ready to actually get married and
• 15:27
  Speaker 3: get down on one knee?
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  Speaker 2: A thousand percent. That's why I believe the women have
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  Speaker 2: a better success.
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  Speaker 1: They're not ready.
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  Speaker 3: And people tend to not be ready to do something
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  Speaker 3: when they don't know the person that they could possibly be.
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  Speaker 1: You know what I mean?
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  Speaker 3: We're also on these shows featuring people of a certain
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  Speaker 3: age who have not maybe lived a lot of life in.
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  Speaker 1: Comparison to other people.
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  Speaker 3: So I just think it's like, I just think Harry's
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  Speaker 3: getting a lot of grief.
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  Speaker 1: I do too. Let's calm down people. For the first
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  Speaker 1: time ever, I was like, give her a boy a break.
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  Speaker 2: And I have not slacked on Harry this entire season.
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  Speaker 1: But in this reunion, I literally was like, oh, let's
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  Speaker 1: give her a boy a break.
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  Speaker 3: And to anybody listening, we are not discounting anybody's feelings,
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  Speaker 3: experience with Harry or Upset feelings.
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  Speaker 1: Exactly.
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  Speaker 3: Absolutely not. And we will dive into all of that.
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  Speaker 3: But I think that there's other ways of handling this.
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  Speaker 3: And this is why I say I'm a little frustrated
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  Speaker 3: with the production element, less about the actual content and
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  Speaker 3: what people said, because I think that the leash was
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  Speaker 3: given really long and not saying that they didn't deserve
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  Speaker 3: to say their piece, but it Doing that made it
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  Speaker 3: so that other people didn't get to speak. And I
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  Speaker 3: think that I'm left after watching this being like, oh,
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  Speaker 3: I would have loved to hear so-and-so clear the air.
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  Speaker 1: I would have loved this.
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  Speaker 3: But I think one of the biggest bombshells, the first
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  Speaker 3: bombshell of the night of watching this was Juliana deciding
• 17:13
  Speaker 3: to not show up at the reunion.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, so that was a quick thing for me, Heather.
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  Speaker 2: I had to rewind that. I had to rewind and
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  Speaker 2: catch that she was not showing up, that she was invited,
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  Speaker 2: but she declined.
• 17:25
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 17:26
  Speaker 1: And I think that, Juliana, if you're listening, I think
• 17:31
  Speaker 1: that's a mistake.
• 17:32
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 17:33
  Speaker 3: I think that by not showing up, you're actually validating
• 17:40
  Speaker 3: the feelings and the thoughts and not being a part
• 17:44
  Speaker 3: of the narrative that is then going to be talked
• 17:46
  Speaker 3: about with you not being present.
• 17:49
  Speaker 1: So the girls then proceed to call you performative.
• 17:54
  Speaker 3: You know, Ellie then tells this whole elaborate story about
• 17:59
  Speaker 3: you having, Juliana having some sort of freak out one night,
• 18:05
  Speaker 3: slamming doors. Ellie claims that she at one point like
• 18:10
  Speaker 3: did not feel safe. in this situation and was surprised
• 18:13
  Speaker 3: that production kept her around after that.
• 18:17
  Speaker 1: So, Juliana, I'm.
• 18:20
  Speaker 3: Sure you're going to go to your social media and
• 18:23
  Speaker 3: say your piece because that seems to be what you've
• 18:26
  Speaker 3: kind of done and we'll get into that as well.
• 18:29
  Speaker 3: But I really just think that anytime somebody gets a
• 18:33
  Speaker 3: villain edit on any show, I think that the worst
• 18:38
  Speaker 3: thing you can do for yourself is is deny opportunities
• 18:42
  Speaker 3: for you to be on camera post-show because you're not
• 18:47
  Speaker 3: letting people get to know you. You're not allowing for,
• 18:52
  Speaker 3: there's no resolution.
• 18:53
  Speaker 1: There's no ownership either. There's no ownership.
• 18:56
  Speaker 2: The other women got to have a voice to speak
• 18:59
  Speaker 2: on their experience, but there's no ownership on her part,
• 19:04
  Speaker 2: Juliana's part at all, because she decided not to come.
• 19:07
  Speaker 2: And they talked about things that happened and things that
• 19:10
  Speaker 2: we saw as viewers.
• 19:11
  Speaker 1: And things that we didn't see. And she could have
• 19:14
  Speaker 1: had the opportunity.
• 19:15
  Speaker 2: And I honestly, I hope that she just lets it
• 19:18
  Speaker 2: go and she doesn't address any of it.
• 19:19
  Speaker 1: She doesn't put anything out on social media because it
• 19:21
  Speaker 1: feels a little.
• 19:23
  Speaker 2: I want to say coward, but that word is so harsh,
• 19:26
  Speaker 2: but it feels a little cowardly to do that, to
• 19:30
  Speaker 2: not show up, not sit in the reunion, not discuss
• 19:33
  Speaker 2: what happened, what took place, her actions, but then sit
• 19:37
  Speaker 2: behind her phone on social media and post a photo
• 19:41
  Speaker 2: or a video of her talking about it and her
• 19:43
  Speaker 2: rebuttal while not giving anyone else a chance to address it. Yep.
• 19:47
  Speaker 1: I would agree with that.
• 19:48
  Speaker 3: And we know that you'll is living her best life
• 19:52
  Speaker 3: and has a boyfriend that she is public with. I
• 19:57
  Speaker 3: just went and glanced at her socials last night when
• 19:59
  Speaker 3: I was putting this together. And she hadn't posted anything
• 20:04
  Speaker 3: about the reunion.
• 20:05
  Speaker 1: But I would assume that something's going to come.
• 20:09
  Speaker 3: The other bombshell from this little conversation that we learned
• 20:14
  Speaker 3: is that Harry did not just sleep with Amber on
• 20:18
  Speaker 3: the show. We know that they tried to trick us
• 20:22
  Speaker 3: that he hooked up with Danelle, but Harry has already
• 20:27
  Speaker 3: clarified that all they did was kiss that time they
• 20:29
  Speaker 3: went into the closet. This happened off camera and was
• 20:35
  Speaker 3: never spoken about.
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: Was never hinted about, which I think.
• 20:39
  Speaker 3: Is also a disservice to the show because this could
• 20:43
  Speaker 3: have been, you know, really interesting fodder. But Abby and
• 20:50
  Speaker 3: Harry hooked up in the back of a production van
• 20:55
  Speaker 3: after their beach date.
• 20:58
  Speaker 2: This was another moment for me, Heather. My mouth was
• 21:02
  Speaker 2: like hanging to the floor, okay? And again, having been
• 21:07
  Speaker 2: on reality TV, there was never a moment for me
• 21:09
  Speaker 2: where I was left alone with a man, right? Even
• 21:12
  Speaker 2: when I was the bachelorette. I snuck out one night
• 21:15
  Speaker 2: and I went and hung out with some guys down.
• 21:17
  Speaker 2: We just like did G-rated things. We listened to music
• 21:19
  Speaker 2: and sat by the fire and drank beer. And I
• 21:21
  Speaker 2: got in so much trouble the next day because they
• 21:23
  Speaker 2: said our whole point is A, to get everything on camera,
• 21:26
  Speaker 2: but also to protect you. that if something were to
• 21:30
  Speaker 2: happen and we weren't there to protect you, what would happen, right?
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: 100% people.
• 21:34
  Speaker 2: I have been in those production vans and there is
• 21:37
  Speaker 2: always someone sitting in the van.
• 21:39
  Speaker 1: How in the hell did.
• 21:41
  Speaker 2: They find that amount of time for the driver to
• 21:44
  Speaker 2: get out and they had sex in the back of
• 21:46
  Speaker 2: the van? How?
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: I don't know.
• 21:50
  Speaker 3: Maybe it was a lunch break for the crew at
• 21:53
  Speaker 3: the same time.
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: They're eating their sandwich and so is Harry. Come on.
• 21:58
  Speaker 1: I don't know. I had no.
• 22:01
  Speaker 3: Trust me. I've been on many a sets. I've been
• 22:04
  Speaker 3: many a handler. The last thing I'm doing is leaving
• 22:09
  Speaker 3: somebody I'm watching unattended for that long of time in
• 22:15
  Speaker 3: order to do that.
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: But I don't know. I don't know how they roll
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: on this show.
• 22:21
  Speaker 2: She goes so far as to somewhat describe it in
• 22:25
  Speaker 2: the reunion. I mean, not in the greatest of detail.
• 22:27
  Speaker 2: We don't talk about them taking their clothes off, but
• 22:30
  Speaker 2: she is talking about her feelings and the mindset that
• 22:33
  Speaker 2: she was in and that her next step was to
• 22:35
  Speaker 2: get physical. I guess for me, listen, I'm no virgin.
• 22:40
  Speaker 2: I have two kids, so you know I've had sex
• 22:42
  Speaker 2: at least twice, right?
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: At least. At least twice.
• 22:46
  Speaker 2: I am not dreaming up My scenario, and again, as
• 22:50
  Speaker 2: a single divorced woman, I still am a hopeless romantic.
• 22:53
  Speaker 2: I'm not dreaming up my scenario of a guy that
• 22:57
  Speaker 2: I really like and I'm thinking about the end result
• 22:59
  Speaker 2: of marrying him, my first time being in the back
• 23:02
  Speaker 2: of a production van. And who knows who's watching? That's
• 23:07
  Speaker 2: not my dream scenario for me, Heather. How did she
• 23:10
  Speaker 2: actually enjoy that, let alone on the most basic level,
• 23:13
  Speaker 2: have an orgasm?
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: Well, she didn't go into the details about that.
• 23:18
  Speaker 3: And if she did, but we're talking about Abby who, Abby,
• 23:22
  Speaker 3: I think you're very funny, but we're talking about spit
• 23:25
  Speaker 3: swapping booger eating Abby.
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: Oh my God.
• 23:28
  Speaker 3: So I feel like some of this kind of like tracks.
• 23:32
  Speaker 3: And if I'm going to be really crass, I'm going
• 23:35
  Speaker 3: to be crass people. And what I'm about to say,
• 23:37
  Speaker 3: Heather's never crass. I think that she gave him a
• 23:40
  Speaker 3: blow job. I don't think that we're talking P and
• 23:42
  Speaker 3: the V.
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: You don't? Uh-uh.
• 23:44
  Speaker 2: But she kind of, she implied that they had sex
• 23:47
  Speaker 2: because then they have sex again later. Because she also,
• 23:51
  Speaker 2: she also explained the timeline that that happened, right? And
• 23:56
  Speaker 2: then the situation in the closet that was never shown,
• 24:00
  Speaker 2: that she gets down with Harry in the closet.
• 24:02
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't remember hearing about in the closet. No,
• 24:05
  Speaker 3: he hooked up with Abby in the van. And then
• 24:09
  Speaker 3: that night he had.
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: Sex with Amber.
• 24:12
  Speaker 2: Okay, when we hang up today, I'm going to have
• 24:13
  Speaker 2: to go back and rewatch it and I will text you,
• 24:15
  Speaker 2: but I am delusional, but I thought I heard her
• 24:18
  Speaker 2: say they had sex again in the closet the same
• 24:21
  Speaker 2: night he and Amber did.
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: That would mean he had sex three times that day.
• 24:25
  Speaker 2: Because the girls were also implying that he got way
• 24:28
  Speaker 2: more sex than this show let on.
• 24:31
  Speaker 3: No, I don't know if I'm wrong, but I think
• 24:34
  Speaker 3: it was they hooked up in the van and then
• 24:37
  Speaker 3: that night he had sex with Amber and in the bathroom,
• 24:41
  Speaker 3: which we're going to talk about because Abby and Amber
• 24:45
  Speaker 3: are like this, peeps.
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: They are tight. They are posting videos together. They are friendly.
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: We find out later that they met up in Australia together.
• 24:55
  Speaker 3: So I'm a little interested in There's a lot of
• 25:00
  Speaker 3: animosity towards Danelle and her hooking up with Harry, but
• 25:04
  Speaker 3: we seem to not have a problem with Abby who
• 25:07
  Speaker 3: hooked up with Harry the same day as you.
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: Well, we'll get into it.
• 25:23
  Speaker 3: This is what I really do want to talk about, though,
• 25:26
  Speaker 3: because it actually does not get discussed ever again during
• 25:30
  Speaker 3: this reunion, which I think is a gigantic fail. And
• 25:33
  Speaker 3: it's Sam and Harry and the entire breakup situation, how
• 25:38
  Speaker 3: she watches back and sees that, yes, he was lying
• 25:42
  Speaker 3: to her the entire time about hooking up with Amber.
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: And I wrote this here because.
• 25:51
  Speaker 3: You know, we discussed when this all happened about, you know,
• 25:55
  Speaker 3: a polite way that Harry could have, you know, not
• 25:58
  Speaker 3: outed Amber, but also not lied to Sam. And we
• 26:02
  Speaker 3: gave this whole explanation on the pod of how he
• 26:05
  Speaker 3: could have said it. And then I wrote here, OMG,
• 26:08
  Speaker 3: Ellie gives an example on how Harry could have handled
• 26:11
  Speaker 3: this situation. Not gonna lie, it sounds exactly like what
• 26:15
  Speaker 3: I said in the previous episode. So.
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: Ellie's in the comments.
• 26:20
  Speaker 3: I know that she's in the comments of our Instagram,
• 26:23
  Speaker 3: so I would assume that she's watching or listening to
• 26:27
  Speaker 3: the pod as well. So bravo, Ellie, for bringing up
• 26:30
  Speaker 3: that wonderful example of how Harry could have handled the situation.
• 26:35
  Speaker 3: One other thing I'm going to say, too, about the
• 26:37
  Speaker 3: questions that were asked during the reunion. So Harry posted
• 26:42
  Speaker 3: this The show posted this. I think Netflix had a
• 26:47
  Speaker 3: QR code up when the last episode ended and promoting
• 26:53
  Speaker 3: the reunion that you could submit and write in your questions.
• 26:59
  Speaker 3: Bravo does this all the time for Housewives reunions. You're
• 27:04
  Speaker 3: doing a disservice by not saying who the question is from.
• 27:10
  Speaker 2: I agree.
• 27:10
  Speaker 3: So that's another thing where I'm like, don't reinvent the wheel.
• 27:14
  Speaker 3: You solicited for questions.
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: Use that.
• 27:18
  Speaker 3: And it also, by the way, it takes the heat
• 27:21
  Speaker 3: off the host because you can ask some.
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: Really shady questions and.
• 27:26
  Speaker 3: Be like, pink Jeep 24 in fan involvement. It's fan involvement.
• 27:33
  Speaker 3: And people love to hear their questions asked during these things.
• 27:38
  Speaker 3: They could have done a whole backstage situation asking the
• 27:41
  Speaker 3: girls questions before and after. So I didn't really love that,
• 27:47
  Speaker 3: that they solicited and did all that and then didn't
• 27:49
  Speaker 3: actually pay that off.
• 27:51
  Speaker 2: I want to know real quick before you move on
• 27:53
  Speaker 2: if you caught when Sam said they had all of
• 27:56
  Speaker 2: that time to talk. And Harry, when he found out
• 27:59
  Speaker 2: she wasn't going to sleep with him, she literally says,
• 28:03
  Speaker 2: they didn't show it, but he does finger guns and
• 28:06
  Speaker 2: is like, see you tomorrow at the ceremony.
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm not going to lie.
• 28:12
  Speaker 3: We said when we watched that episode that we were
• 28:14
  Speaker 3: not pleased with his attitude and how he even came
• 28:17
  Speaker 3: across in that little snippet. So I can't imagine that
• 28:20
  Speaker 3: he looked much better extending it and showing more.
• 28:23
  Speaker 1: Seems like his personality really shifted.
• 28:27
  Speaker 3: I would agree with Sam when she says that he
• 28:29
  Speaker 3: does not deal well with confrontation because she not only
• 28:33
  Speaker 3: remember in that conversation was confronting him again about the
• 28:37
  Speaker 3: Amber situation, but she was also saying that he.
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: Puts on a different personality for the cameras. And he immediately.
• 28:45
  Speaker 3: And then she said, and I'm not sleeping with you tonight.
• 28:47
  Speaker 3: And it just all, you know, did a 180 very quickly.
• 28:51
  Speaker 2: But I think if any of us needed any extra
• 28:53
  Speaker 2: confirmation on that, all you had to do is.
• 28:55
  Speaker 1: Watch the rest of this episode. Exactly.
• 28:58
  Speaker 3: And I think that, you know, the girls being appalled
• 29:04
  Speaker 3: by his behavior.
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: And my girl, Emily, my virgin.
• 29:10
  Speaker 3: Uh, you know, standing up and being like, you know,
• 29:13
  Speaker 3: his personality did a 180 the second that you said
• 29:15
  Speaker 3: you weren't sleeping with him. I was like, yeah, I, I,
• 29:20
  Speaker 3: I'm not going to deny that. I didn't think that
• 29:22
  Speaker 3: that was Harry's best moment. And what I'm upset with
• 29:27
  Speaker 3: is it played out this way on the show.
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: And what did I say?
• 29:31
  Speaker 3: I kept being like, well, they got to keep something
• 29:33
  Speaker 3: for the reunion. Sam and Harry are going to have
• 29:35
  Speaker 3: it out at the reunion.
• 29:37
  Speaker 2: Nope.
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: Our hosts address it. it here.
• 29:40
  Speaker 3: And then we never, and Harry is not on stage
• 29:44
  Speaker 3: and we never address it with Harry. And this is
• 29:46
  Speaker 3: a major downfall of this reunion. You cannot have this
• 29:53
  Speaker 3: kind of an exit where somebody leaves the show without
• 29:56
  Speaker 3: even saying goodbye to him. And now this is the
• 29:58
  Speaker 3: first time they're seeing each other face to face and
• 30:01
  Speaker 3: you're not going to address it at all.
• 30:04
  Speaker 1: It's very badly produced.
• 30:06
  Speaker 3: This is a moment where I was like, they don't
• 30:09
  Speaker 3: know what they're doing. And I don't know if they
• 30:11
  Speaker 3: ran out of time or whatever. I will say that
• 30:16
  Speaker 3: I felt like Haley Bailey at points was feeling extremely
• 30:21
  Speaker 3: overwhelmed because when somebody is speaking their truth and being emotional,
• 30:27
  Speaker 3: You don't want to cut them off, right?
• 30:30
  Speaker 1: But as a host, you have a job to do.
• 30:33
  Speaker 1: And I'm going to bet.
• 30:34
  Speaker 3: That Haley Bailey had an earpiece in her ear.
• 30:39
  Speaker 1: That's why her hair was down.
• 30:41
  Speaker 3: And probably had somebody in her ear either feeding her
• 30:45
  Speaker 3: questions or telling her, pause, let it play out.
• 30:49
  Speaker 1: Okay, now you can jump in.
• 30:51
  Speaker 3: Like, this is what we do as producers is you
• 30:54
  Speaker 3: have to kind.
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: Of like let the moment happen. But then... and I.
• 30:58
  Speaker 3: Always tell this to people because talent has a really
• 31:01
  Speaker 3: hard time doing this, there are polite ways to interrupt.
• 31:06
  Speaker 1: And move the conversation along.
• 31:08
  Speaker 3: So it's not an easy job to do, and so
• 31:13
  Speaker 3: I'm not knocking Haley Bailey whatsoever.
• 31:16
  Speaker 1: I think she really handled herself well.
• 31:18
  Speaker 3: So I'm going to hope that it was a time
• 31:21
  Speaker 3: constraint and that they ran out of time, and that's.
• 31:23
  Speaker 1: Why they didn't get to it because....
• 31:26
  Speaker 3: It's notorious for Real Housewives reunions. They film over 12
• 31:35
  Speaker 3: hours for one reunion.
• 31:38
  Speaker 2: Wow.
• 31:39
  Speaker 3: It's a 12-hour filming day, which is why they're able
• 31:41
  Speaker 3: to do it into three parts. This was an hour
• 31:46
  Speaker 3: and a half of the reunion. So you can imagine there.
• 31:51
  Speaker 1: Was stuff edited out, of course.
• 31:54
  Speaker 3: But you would probably guess that this was maybe a
• 31:57
  Speaker 3: half day.
• 31:58
  Speaker 1: Maybe it was five hours, you know, so. I don't know.
• 32:03
  Speaker 3: Maybe we can talk to some of the girls about
• 32:06
  Speaker 3: things that they felt could have been addressed in the
• 32:08
  Speaker 3: reunion because I will say Deanna is going to be
• 32:12
  Speaker 3: talking to some of the ladies from the cast.
• 32:15
  Speaker 1: I'm so excited. I'm like beside myself. I'm so excited.
• 32:18
  Speaker 1: It's going to be good. This is the kind of
• 32:20
  Speaker 1: stuff that I really love about reality.
• 32:22
  Speaker 2: TV and being a fan of these shows and doing
• 32:25
  Speaker 2: this stuff with you, Heather, is because as a viewer,
• 32:27
  Speaker 2: I need that. These little tidbits that you're giving back
• 32:29
  Speaker 2: to me about you know, behind the scenes stuff production
• 32:32
  Speaker 2: that I am really unaware of. I like live for
• 32:35
  Speaker 2: this stuff that you're telling me right now. Yeah.
• 32:37
  Speaker 1: I mean, and I, and I want to give the
• 32:39
  Speaker 1: show some grace.
• 32:41
  Speaker 3: It's a season one and unfortunately part of working on
• 32:45
  Speaker 3: a season one show is also about figuring it out,
• 32:49
  Speaker 3: you know, but that's why I say when it comes to.
• 32:51
  Speaker 1: A reunion, um, Don't reinvent the wheel.
• 32:54
  Speaker 3: Actually just look and follow and do the exact same
• 32:57
  Speaker 3: thing that the other shows that you've taken bits and
• 33:00
  Speaker 3: parts of have done. You don't have to make, you know,
• 33:03
  Speaker 3: a bachelor reunion where it's way too long and it's
• 33:06
  Speaker 3: way too much found footage and highlight reels, but there's
• 33:10
  Speaker 3: a structure, right? So it should have been, this is
• 33:12
  Speaker 3: the structure it should have been. Should have been the
• 33:14
  Speaker 3: women out there with the host first.
• 33:17
  Speaker 2: Mm-hmm.
• 33:17
  Speaker 3: Then it should have been Harry coming out, joining the women,
• 33:20
  Speaker 3: having his one-on-one moments with the women. Then it should
• 33:25
  Speaker 3: have been Amber joining Harry on stage and they should
• 33:29
  Speaker 3: have had their own time together. And then final thoughts,
• 33:35
  Speaker 3: final moments, anything that wasn't addressed. But because they did
• 33:39
  Speaker 3: not follow a structure like that, it became like a tornado,
• 33:44
  Speaker 3: I think. And When it starts, it's really hard to
• 33:48
  Speaker 3: kind of like reel it back in. So we pan
• 33:53
  Speaker 3: over to Danelle after this Sam stuff. And they talk
• 33:57
  Speaker 3: about that it was painful for her on the wedding day.
• 34:01
  Speaker 3: I did love, did you catch when she said that
• 34:06
  Speaker 3: the breakup was as fast as it looked like on screen?
• 34:10
  Speaker 1: Yeah, because we wondered that, remember? Exactly.
• 34:12
  Speaker 3: And that's why I was like, wow, he was just
• 34:16
  Speaker 3: really in there, did it, and left.
• 34:20
  Speaker 1: And I was also really.
• 34:21
  Speaker 3: Surprised to hear that Danelle says that Harry reached out
• 34:28
  Speaker 3: to her. We hear differing stories about this, but she
• 34:31
  Speaker 3: says that they did talk after the breakup.
• 34:37
  Speaker 1: That he reached out to her to check in on her.
• 34:40
  Speaker 3: And then she says the breakup was fast, just like
• 34:45
  Speaker 3: it looked on camera. And she says in mid-January, Harry
• 34:48
  Speaker 3: reached out to her again to say he was single
• 34:51
  Speaker 3: and wanted to see her. She says they talked for
• 34:54
  Speaker 3: a few days. He sent her flowers. And then she
• 34:57
  Speaker 3: went to LA to spend time with him. She says
• 35:00
  Speaker 3: they had sex. They said they loved each other. And
• 35:03
  Speaker 3: then two days later, he's taking her to the airport.
• 35:06
  Speaker 3: And she says it felt off. She confronted him and
• 35:11
  Speaker 3: he didn't give her a good answer. So she left again, heartbroken.
• 35:15
  Speaker 3: And then they talked a few times since after that.
• 35:17
  Speaker 3: And she says that they're in a good place. She's
• 35:20
  Speaker 3: not really interested in exploring anything with him again. And
• 35:24
  Speaker 3: she says that she kept the small ring, the first
• 35:27
  Speaker 3: ring that he gave her. So that all seems kind
• 35:31
  Speaker 3: of like peachy keen, right? Like buttoned up, like she
• 35:35
  Speaker 3: doesn't have any sort of animosity is what it sounds like. Sam,
• 35:39
  Speaker 3: right before that, sounds like she kind of wants to
• 35:42
  Speaker 3: get some things addressed because she felt stupid watching this back.
• 35:46
  Speaker 3: So out next comes Harry and Amber. And I wrote,
• 35:51
  Speaker 3: the vibes are not great. Their body language, it's like bad.
• 35:55
  Speaker 3: Like they're not even holding hands, nothing. It's like they
• 35:57
  Speaker 3: just are, they walk out there. And I wrote, Harry
• 36:00
  Speaker 3: is wearing hot glasses. But I think I saw this
• 36:03
  Speaker 3: on social media. They were like meta glasses.
• 36:05
  Speaker 1: They were meta glasses.
• 36:06
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 36:06
  Speaker 2: I'm not sure if they're going to use that footage
• 36:08
  Speaker 2: for something in particular.
• 36:10
  Speaker 1: You know what I mean?
• 36:10
  Speaker 2: But they made a point. I'm sure you probably know
• 36:13
  Speaker 2: better than me. It was a partnership of some sort
• 36:15
  Speaker 2: that they got paid for. but that he's wearing these
• 36:17
  Speaker 2: meta glasses. I don't know if they will later show
• 36:20
  Speaker 2: footage that he took, you know what I mean? But
• 36:23
  Speaker 2: he does look great in glasses. We said that in
• 36:25
  Speaker 2: another podcast because in all of his social media posts,
• 36:28
  Speaker 2: he has his cute little Harry Potter glasses on. He
• 36:31
  Speaker 2: looks great in round frames. So I actually love him
• 36:34
  Speaker 2: in glasses. But this is where the reunion became pure
• 36:39
  Speaker 2: chaos for me at this point.
• 36:41
  Speaker 1: Absolutely.
• 36:42
  Speaker 2: And we're on this show, Heather, and this is where
• 36:46
  Speaker 2: since we're comparing, this is where I think other reunion
• 36:51
  Speaker 2: shows do it well and have stuck to the rhythm
• 36:55
  Speaker 2: of how things work.
• 36:56
  Speaker 1: Because in this moment, oh, you can feel the tension.
• 37:01
  Speaker 2: I can feel it through my television screen. I can
• 37:04
  Speaker 2: see the anger and frustration on Amber from the get-go.
• 37:10
  Speaker 2: And what I do not like, and I have been
• 37:13
  Speaker 2: dying to say this to you since we started this
• 37:15
  Speaker 2: podcast recording, is that this feels very female-centered drama. And
• 37:23
  Speaker 2: Harry just sits back and lets the cats tear each
• 37:28
  Speaker 2: other up.
• 37:29
  Speaker 3: Well, you know, I said at the beginning of this
• 37:34
  Speaker 3: that my issue with this was not only about things
• 37:39
  Speaker 3: that were not about the things that were said in this,
• 37:43
  Speaker 3: but the things that were not said. My biggest issue, guys,
• 37:49
  Speaker 3: with this, what has gained the most fodder about this
• 37:54
  Speaker 3: show since the last episode last week? What's been the
• 37:58
  Speaker 3: consistent thing that everybody has.
• 38:01
  Speaker 1: Talked about on the internet? That the marriage wasn't real.
• 38:05
  Speaker 1: Thank you. I am following you right now. I cannot
• 38:08
  Speaker 1: wait to say something.
• 38:09
  Speaker 3: Literally never spoken about, never addressed on this show.
• 38:15
  Speaker 1: Why?
• 38:16
  Speaker 3: Because it wasn't real, guys. It was not real. And
• 38:21
  Speaker 3: this then starts to get me a little... I'm not pissed.
• 38:25
  Speaker 3: I'm just a little like about it because Amber.
• 38:31
  Speaker 3: Has every right to be upset. I am not devaluing
• 38:36
  Speaker 3: her feelings. She felt that he wasn't in it the
• 38:42
  Speaker 3: way she was. She lists off a whole bunch of things.
• 38:47
  Speaker 1: The lying, the gaslighting, the manipulation.
• 38:49
  Speaker 3: Emotional abuse, I believe, is used at one point. So
• 38:54
  Speaker 3: there's a lot. But she keeps talking about the marriage.
• 38:59
  Speaker 3: She keeps it. She goes, then we were on our
• 39:02
  Speaker 3: honeymoon and you cheated on me. And Carrie is very
• 39:05
  Speaker 3: confused by the word honeymoon. He's like honeymoon. And she's like, yeah,
• 39:10
  Speaker 3: after you get married, the first trip you take is
• 39:12
  Speaker 3: a honeymoon. And it's just like paperwork was never filed
• 39:19
  Speaker 3: to our knowledge. This is what the internet is reporting
• 39:22
  Speaker 3: that they have gone looking for the marriage certificate and
• 39:25
  Speaker 3: the license. Harry said in videos, He signed paperwork.
• 39:30
  Speaker 1: It was not filed. So, I'm not trying to be mean,
• 39:36
  Speaker 1: but you were not legally married. Am I wrong? Am
• 39:40
  Speaker 1: I wrong?
• 39:41
  Speaker 2: No, you are absolutely right. I struggled at this part
• 39:44
  Speaker 2: in the episode too, so I'm so glad that you
• 39:46
  Speaker 2: brought it up and.
• 39:47
  Speaker 1: That you said it because.
• 39:49
  Speaker 2: Oh man, this is where I have to take a
• 39:53
  Speaker 2: step back, Heather, because watching it, I got really mad
• 39:56
  Speaker 2: at producers, right? Because I, trying to play devil's advocate,
• 40:02
  Speaker 2: Amber appeared to be highly produced in this bit, not
• 40:09
  Speaker 2: negating anything. her anger and her frustration and all of
• 40:12
  Speaker 2: the things that she said. I think every bit of
• 40:13
  Speaker 2: that was charged up by a producer.
• 40:16
  Speaker 1: Yes. A hundred, a hundred percent.
• 40:19
  Speaker 2: This is the scenario I am running out in my head.
• 40:21
  Speaker 2: And since you have the behind the scenes knowledge, I
• 40:24
  Speaker 2: need you to tell me if I'm on track here,
• 40:26
  Speaker 2: but like, It felt very producer-driven for her to sit
• 40:30
  Speaker 2: there and be like, on our wedding, then our honeymoon,
• 40:33
  Speaker 2: and this and that, and Danelle, you should have reached
• 40:35
  Speaker 2: out to me and not him.
• 40:37
  Speaker 3: Calling Danelle a homewrecker. Somebody went through a list of
• 40:44
  Speaker 3: words with her, and whether she realizes that or not,
• 40:52
  Speaker 3: this was very much... Somebody sat down with her and
• 40:57
  Speaker 3: charged her up for sure.
• 40:58
  Speaker 2: Thank you.
• 40:58
  Speaker 3: Can you believe it? He cheated on you on your honeymoon.
• 41:02
  Speaker 3: Thank you. Again, neither of us are negating her feelings.
• 41:11
  Speaker 1: She is totally.
• 41:13
  Speaker 3: allowed to be upset, to feel embarrassed, to feel that
• 41:17
  Speaker 3: she was way more in it than he was, to
• 41:20
  Speaker 3: feel that that wedding, she said everything truthful and really
• 41:23
  Speaker 3: took it seriously.
• 41:24
  Speaker 1: I'm not saying that she didn't.
• 41:27
  Speaker 3: But at the end of the day, the show did
• 41:29
  Speaker 3: a disservice to the audience by not acknowledging that this
• 41:33
  Speaker 3: was not a legally binding marriage.
• 41:36
  Speaker 1: And that is not on the talent to do. And
• 41:39
  Speaker 1: that is a.
• 41:42
  Speaker 3: Choice that the show made because that is the most
• 41:45
  Speaker 3: giant fodder around this show for the last week and
• 41:48
  Speaker 3: a half.
• 41:49
  Speaker 2: And given the fact that they didn't even film the
• 41:51
  Speaker 2: reunion until recently, and they have seen the chatter on
• 41:56
  Speaker 2: social media and people talking about it, they have allowed
• 41:59
  Speaker 2: Harry to address it in his own way.
• 42:03
  Speaker 3: I agree.
• 42:03
  Speaker 2: They did everyone a disservice by not saying, okay, here's
• 42:06
  Speaker 2: why we did it this way.
• 42:08
  Speaker 1: Exactly. There was the ceremony. Yes, it was filmed.
• 42:11
  Speaker 2: Yes, it seemed like a wedding, but we did not
• 42:14
  Speaker 2: file the paperwork. So this was not a legally binding contract.
• 42:18
  Speaker 3: Exactly.
• 42:18
  Speaker 1: So none of you will be going to get a
• 42:20
  Speaker 1: divorce after this. Right. Listen, I know what divorce is like.
• 42:25
  Speaker 3: Okay.
• 42:27
  Speaker 1: This allows everyone, us as viewers.
• 42:30
  Speaker 2: As well as the other women to say, okay, I
• 42:33
  Speaker 2: get it. Two people who took this kind of serious,
• 42:37
  Speaker 2: maybe only one of us did, but that's neither here
• 42:39
  Speaker 2: nor there right now.
• 42:41
  Speaker 1: They had a tough breakup.
• 42:43
  Speaker 2: But to sit here when she was saying all of that,
• 42:46
  Speaker 2: like our wedding, our honeymoon, all this, I literally in
• 42:50
  Speaker 2: my head was super frustrated for her Just because that
• 42:53
  Speaker 2: was so producer-driven to sit there and berate Harry in
• 42:58
  Speaker 2: that moment.
• 43:00
  Speaker 1: And berate Danelle. And berate Danelle.
• 43:02
  Speaker 2: Yes, I am with you on that because I do
• 43:05
  Speaker 2: not like... I am women's biggest cheerleader. Like you tell
• 43:10
  Speaker 2: me you wrote a book, Heather. I'm the first person
• 43:12
  Speaker 2: to be like, let me pump it out for you.
• 43:14
  Speaker 2: I don't like when women are pinned against each other, right?
• 43:18
  Speaker 2: What Harry did was go on a show. Let's marry Harry.
• 43:22
  Speaker 2: He's still in his boy era. He had a lot
• 43:25
  Speaker 2: of fun messing around, kissing. Was he serious? Probably not.
• 43:29
  Speaker 2: So we all kind of got that from the show, but,
• 43:32
  Speaker 2: What I don't like is that in the end here,
• 43:35
  Speaker 2: Harry went through a show. He did what he was told.
• 43:38
  Speaker 2: He picked one, not the other. And then the two
• 43:41
  Speaker 2: women were pinned against each other. I don't know how
• 43:44
  Speaker 2: much of that was Amber really putting her expectations on
• 43:49
  Speaker 2: Danelle or how much of that was another producer sitting
• 43:52
  Speaker 2: with her and being like, isn't that messed up?
• 43:55
  Speaker 1: She should have come to you. She's your girl.
• 43:57
  Speaker 2: She should have come to you and asked if you're
• 43:58
  Speaker 2: still together.
• 44:11
  Speaker 1: Let's unpack that.
• 44:12
  Speaker 3: Let's talk about that because I thought that Danelle actually
• 44:15
  Speaker 3: made a really strong point for this. So just to
• 44:18
  Speaker 3: recap really quickly, Harry and Danelle break up on the
• 44:22
  Speaker 3: wedding day.
• 44:23
  Speaker 1: He chooses Amber.
• 44:24
  Speaker 3: They ride off into the sunset. Um, Danelle says, Harry
• 44:29
  Speaker 3: reached out to me a couple of weeks later to.
• 44:33
  Speaker 1: Check on me.
• 44:34
  Speaker 3: Amber says, no, Danelle actually reached out to a producer
• 44:38
  Speaker 3: to ask for Harry to reach out to her. So
• 44:42
  Speaker 3: maybe we'll get to the bottom of that in your conversations.
• 44:47
  Speaker 1: But they both agree that Harry asked Amber.
• 44:51
  Speaker 3: for permission before he spoke to Danelle. Everybody seems to
• 44:56
  Speaker 3: be in agreement on that, that everybody was in the loop.
• 44:59
  Speaker 1: They speak, whatever, that's it.
• 45:03
  Speaker 3: Danelle goes on to say that Amber never reached out
• 45:07
  Speaker 3: to her knowing that she'd been dumped that day. She
• 45:11
  Speaker 3: says that she actually followed Amber on social media first
• 45:17
  Speaker 3: and that Amber still didn't message her. So she messaged
• 45:22
  Speaker 3: her first. So when.
• 45:25
  Speaker 2: I thought this was key information because she shares that
• 45:29
  Speaker 2: in the same moment where Amber is really on top
• 45:33
  Speaker 2: of her about how she should have reached out to her.
• 45:35
  Speaker 1: She's a girl's girl. She should have checked in with her, blah, blah, blah.
• 45:38
  Speaker 2: And I thought that that was a really solid point
• 45:41
  Speaker 2: for Danelle to slide that in there. We're like, okay,
• 45:43
  Speaker 2: if we're playing the game, you didn't check in on me.
• 45:47
  Speaker 1: Exactly. And also.
• 45:49
  Speaker 3: Like, so basically we're all in agreement after they, so
• 45:56
  Speaker 3: Harry says that he and Amber broke up in Australia
• 46:00
  Speaker 3: and then he gets back. This must be the mid
• 46:02
  Speaker 3: January thing. And he hits up Danelle to like rekindle.
• 46:08
  Speaker 3: Amber's argument is we never broke up in Australia. We
• 46:12
  Speaker 3: were actually still together. And when he hits you up
• 46:15
  Speaker 3: to rekindle, you should have reached out to me and
• 46:18
  Speaker 3: confirmed that we were broken up.
• 46:21
  Speaker 1: Those are unmet expectations. I disagree.
• 46:27
  Speaker 3: I just don't think that, I just don't see anybody
• 46:33
  Speaker 3: doing that.
• 46:34
  Speaker 1: Yeah. I disagree given this situation. You know what I mean?
• 46:38
  Speaker 2: I don't think that It doesn't sound like they remained
• 46:42
  Speaker 2: friends when filming was done.
• 46:44
  Speaker 1: It doesn't sound like they were maybe that close through filming.
• 46:46
  Speaker 2: To begin with, right? Amber never checks in on Danelle.
• 46:49
  Speaker 2: So to have the expectation that if Harry reached out
• 46:53
  Speaker 2: to Danelle and was like, hey, yo, we broke up.
• 46:56
  Speaker 1: I can't let you go. Could we see what happens?
• 46:58
  Speaker 2: I don't think that personally, I don't think that I
• 47:01
  Speaker 2: would have reached out to a woman that I'm not
• 47:03
  Speaker 2: necessarily close to, right? I would believe the man that
• 47:07
  Speaker 2: I have these feelings for. And listen, the whole situation
• 47:11
  Speaker 2: is messed up. Given someone who's been on a show
• 47:13
  Speaker 2: like this, you come home and you are very confused.
• 47:15
  Speaker 2: You are left with something unmet, these unfinished feelings, tons
• 47:20
  Speaker 2: of questions.
• 47:21
  Speaker 1: I think it is a thousand.
• 47:22
  Speaker 2: Percent normal for Danelle to want to see Harry, see
• 47:28
  Speaker 2: if there's anything left.
• 47:29
  Speaker 1: And I think it's normal for Harry too.
• 47:31
  Speaker 3: Yes. I think it's normal for Harry too, to be like, okay,
• 47:37
  Speaker 3: These were my two strongest connections.
• 47:39
  Speaker 1: We were in a weird environment. Now the cameras are gone.
• 47:44
  Speaker 3: Maybe I need to like revisit this because I was
• 47:47
  Speaker 3: jumbled up.
• 47:48
  Speaker 1: I was confused, whatever.
• 47:51
  Speaker 3: Amber throughout this kept saying she has proof that they
• 47:56
  Speaker 3: were not broken up.
• 47:57
  Speaker 1: She has the proof. Amber, show it.
• 48:00
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 48:01
  Speaker 3: Like get out those text messages, post them on your
• 48:04
  Speaker 3: stories with the time and date stamp show them.
• 48:07
  Speaker 1: I want to see them. I want to believe.
• 48:10
  Speaker 3: And I'm not saying I don't believe you, but it's
• 48:12
  Speaker 3: going to only help your situation if you have that.
• 48:16
  Speaker 3: So I encourage you, if you want to speak your truth,
• 48:19
  Speaker 3: post it. My issue is don't come for Danelle. I
• 48:25
  Speaker 3: really don't think that that's where your anger needs to
• 48:28
  Speaker 3: be pointed. I think that Does that situation hurt your
• 48:32
  Speaker 3: feelings that he went back to his runner-up right after you?
• 48:37
  Speaker 1: I think that does hurt your feelings, and I think
• 48:39
  Speaker 1: that that's okay.
• 48:41
  Speaker 3: To feel that way. I didn't like the name calling.
• 48:46
  Speaker 3: I didn't like her calling her a homewrecker. I didn't
• 48:50
  Speaker 3: like her saying that she, like, Danelle was, like, sliding
• 48:54
  Speaker 3: in and, like, trying to ask and, like, all of
• 48:56
  Speaker 3: that stuff.
• 48:57
  Speaker 1: Like, it just... It felt gross. It's just, you're upset
• 49:01
  Speaker 1: with Harry.
• 49:02
  Speaker 3: Right?
• 49:03
  Speaker 1: And then we're all sitting there. You're upset with Harry.
• 49:04
  Speaker 1: This is where I go. Then we're all sitting there.
• 49:06
  Speaker 1: This is all happening.
• 49:07
  Speaker 2: And Harry is just sitting there, bouncing back and forth,
• 49:11
  Speaker 2: watching the circus.
• 49:13
  Speaker 3: Well, did you see at one point somebody said, stand up,
• 49:16
  Speaker 3: like say something.
• 49:17
  Speaker 1: And he goes, I don't even know you. I did.
• 49:20
  Speaker 1: Be quiet. I did. I'm so glad that they showed that.
• 49:24
  Speaker 1: Sit down, girl. What is your name? Very typical.
• 49:27
  Speaker 3: There were some girls that had very minimal screen time
• 49:31
  Speaker 3: that all of a sudden find their voice, you know,
• 49:35
  Speaker 3: when they've had time to sit back and watch the show. So.
• 49:39
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it was very uncomfortable.
• 49:42
  Speaker 3: So also, they go into this scenario about what happened
• 49:48
  Speaker 3: when filming wrapped. They went to Hawaii, then they went
• 49:53
  Speaker 3: to Australia, and they talk about that they weren't supposed
• 49:58
  Speaker 3: to be out in public. Things got photos got taken
• 50:02
  Speaker 3: of them.
• 50:03
  Speaker 1: I've seen some of these photos. Have you seen them? Yes.
• 50:05
  Speaker 3: I've seen the one of him with his arm around Amber,
• 50:09
  Speaker 3: and it's the back of her head. And you can
• 50:10
  Speaker 3: tell it's her because of her hair. And it was
• 50:13
  Speaker 3: when they were in Australia. And these were leaked to
• 50:17
  Speaker 3: places like DuMont and other gossip sites, which did spoil things.
• 50:22
  Speaker 1: So this is.
• 50:22
  Speaker 3: Where I push back again on that. The marriage certificate
• 50:26
  Speaker 3: was never filed because we were worried about spoilers.
• 50:29
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 50:30
  Speaker 3: Babe, the spoilers were out like within days of, you know,
• 50:35
  Speaker 3: filming wrapping.
• 50:36
  Speaker 1: Also, I really want to say this too. I just
• 50:38
  Speaker 1: want to say this too.
• 50:41
  Speaker 3: If they were really concerned about the marriage certificate.
• 50:45
  Speaker 1: Being filed and spoilers, right? That's what they claim.
• 50:50
  Speaker 3: I want everybody to know that's listening that there were
• 50:53
  Speaker 3: a lot of guests at that wedding.
• 50:57
  Speaker 1: Those guests had their cell phones. At all times.
• 51:02
  Speaker 3: You're really worried about spoilers? You're confiscating phones at that ceremony.
• 51:07
  Speaker 3: And I know that they had their cell phones because
• 51:10
  Speaker 3: all of them started posting pictures of Harry and Amber
• 51:14
  Speaker 3: the second the finale aired.
• 51:17
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 51:18
  Speaker 3: So I'm sure that they were under embargo to not
• 51:21
  Speaker 3: post the photos.
• 51:22
  Speaker 1: But if you're really that concerned about spoilers.
• 51:26
  Speaker 3: You're confiscating phones at something like that.
• 51:28
  Speaker 1: So they were never really getting married.
• 51:31
  Speaker 3: No.
• 51:31
  Speaker 1: Heather. No. And we're all mad about this. Why? It
• 51:36
  Speaker 1: adds a level.
• 51:38
  Speaker 3: It tries to add a level of validity to something.
• 51:42
  Speaker 3: And I think it continues, right? So it's like Harry's
• 51:47
  Speaker 3: confused when the word honeymoon is.
• 51:48
  Speaker 1: Used at him.
• 51:49
  Speaker 3: He also laughs at the end of this when the
• 51:53
  Speaker 3: engagement ring is taken off her finger and she throws
• 51:56
  Speaker 3: it at him.
• 51:57
  Speaker 2: Why is she even wearing it for the reunion? They've
• 52:00
  Speaker 2: been broken up for like seven years.
• 52:02
  Speaker 1: We'll have to ask her, I guess. I don't know. Also, okay,
• 52:09
  Speaker 1: so going back. So they were in Australia.
• 52:12
  Speaker 3: They're getting accidentally photographed together and Netflix is supposedly calling
• 52:17
  Speaker 3: Harry and being like, This can't happen.
• 52:19
  Speaker 1: And by the way, this does happen.
• 52:22
  Speaker 3: Hi, on The Bachelor, Bachelorette, remember when Caitlin Bristow spoiled
• 52:27
  Speaker 3: her season by Snapchatting herself in bed with her winner
• 52:32
  Speaker 3: and accidentally posting it live on Snapchat instead of in
• 52:37
  Speaker 3: a direct message?
• 52:38
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 52:39
  Speaker 3: This happens and it's not okay. Networks get very upset
• 52:44
  Speaker 3: about this kind of stuff. I'm honestly surprised.
• 52:48
  Speaker 2: That they allowed them to be so open after the
• 52:51
  Speaker 2: show is done filming anyway.
• 52:52
  Speaker 1: With The Bachelor, we don't get to do that.
• 52:54
  Speaker 2: You have these getaways where you get to see the
• 52:57
  Speaker 2: person that you chose. But Heather, we are shipped off,
• 53:00
  Speaker 2: flown in differently, driven by two different people into this
• 53:04
  Speaker 2: house that they have rented in the middle of nowhere Hollywood.
• 53:08
  Speaker 2: And you are locked in this house for the three
• 53:11
  Speaker 2: or four days that you get to spend time with
• 53:13
  Speaker 2: each other. So I'm actually surprised that they allowed this
• 53:16
  Speaker 2: kind of freedom for the two of them.
• 53:18
  Speaker 3: I think that Bachelor is one of the last shows
• 53:21
  Speaker 3: to kind of do something like that. I've never worked
• 53:24
  Speaker 3: on a dating show that arranged stuff for talent post-show.
• 53:29
  Speaker 3: I think it's just that it's in your contract. Don't
• 53:32
  Speaker 3: be spotted.
• 53:32
  Speaker 1: If you're going to.
• 53:33
  Speaker 3: Do it, like be sly about it, meaning like wear wigs,
• 53:37
  Speaker 3: go places, you know, that you're not likely to be spotted.
• 53:40
  Speaker 3: But I mean, we just covered Farmer Wants a Wife
• 53:43
  Speaker 3: earlier on this show. And there were tons of spoilers
• 53:48
  Speaker 3: out about, you know, who one of them chose, I
• 53:52
  Speaker 3: had it spoiled to me, like looking at one of
• 53:54
  Speaker 3: their Instagrams before it was made public because of a
• 53:57
  Speaker 3: reflection and a photo. Like these people spend time with
• 54:00
  Speaker 3: each other on these shows after. If it's legit, you
• 54:03
  Speaker 3: can't stop them.
• 54:04
  Speaker 1: But I do believe that what Harry.
• 54:08
  Speaker 3: Is saying when these spoiler pictures came out, that he
• 54:11
  Speaker 3: was getting phone calls because networks are not happy about
• 54:14
  Speaker 3: this kind of stuff.
• 54:15
  Speaker 1: So Harry says.
• 54:17
  Speaker 3: To counteract the spoiler news, He starts to make content
• 54:23
  Speaker 3: with a influencer to kind of distract.
• 54:27
  Speaker 1: And this is on the trip. Amber is there.
• 54:31
  Speaker 3: And everybody's in agreement. Everybody knows that this is what's happening.
• 54:35
  Speaker 3: She flat out says at the reunion, she was cool
• 54:37
  Speaker 3: with it.
• 54:38
  Speaker 1: Yes. She said it out loud.
• 54:40
  Speaker 3: But she keeps going on and on later in the
• 54:42
  Speaker 3: conversation saying that, Harry was prioritizing this woman and pushing
• 54:48
  Speaker 3: her to the side and going off and filming content.
• 54:53
  Speaker 3: And then Abby joins the conversation and is like, oh yeah,
• 54:58
  Speaker 3: I actually met up with you guys in Australia on
• 55:00
  Speaker 3: that trip.
• 55:00
  Speaker 1: I just happened to be there.
• 55:02
  Speaker 3: And she's like, I just ended up hanging out with
• 55:04
  Speaker 3: Amber more than with the two of them.
• 55:08
  Speaker 1: And Harry's like, yeah, because all you guys wanted to
• 55:10
  Speaker 1: do was get drunk.
• 55:12
  Speaker 3: And we know that Harry has been very open about sobriety,
• 55:16
  Speaker 3: exploring that.
• 55:17
  Speaker 1: I don't know if he identifies as sober.
• 55:20
  Speaker 3: But that he was in a phase for, I know,
• 55:24
  Speaker 3: in a chapter of life for a while where that
• 55:27
  Speaker 3: was not a priority for him. So I feel like
• 55:29
  Speaker 3: if he felt comfortable enough to say that on stage,
• 55:32
  Speaker 3: then that meant that he was not drinking at that time.
• 55:35
  Speaker 2: Yeah. As someone who is sober, I would never put
• 55:38
  Speaker 2: myself in a situation to sit with two other people
• 55:40
  Speaker 2: while And watch them drink all day long.
• 55:43
  Speaker 1: I would never.
• 55:45
  Speaker 3: And so he also is basically saying like, I could
• 55:49
  Speaker 3: not go out with you.
• 55:51
  Speaker 1: I could not be seen with you.
• 55:53
  Speaker 3: And does that mean, okay, I can't be seen with you.
• 55:59
  Speaker 3: So I'm going to go film content and get seen
• 56:01
  Speaker 3: with this other girl. Listen, it seems to be that
• 56:04
  Speaker 3: they both have differing opinions on how much this was
• 56:08
  Speaker 3: a priority to him and how much he was doing.
• 56:11
  Speaker 3: Could that have felt good as a woman watching the
• 56:15
  Speaker 3: guy that you're starting a new relationship with go off and,
• 56:19
  Speaker 3: you know, film and hang and spend time with somebody
• 56:22
  Speaker 3: when you're in a different country? And like, you know,
• 56:25
  Speaker 3: I can only imagine that that probably didn't feel good.
• 56:29
  Speaker 1: Of course not.
• 56:31
  Speaker 3: I understand where it's coming from, but I also think
• 56:36
  Speaker 3: you have to be in the mindset of that you're
• 56:38
  Speaker 3: dating an influencer. Yeah. Harry's an influencer. That is what
• 56:42
  Speaker 3: he does for a living. His job is to be
• 56:45
  Speaker 3: seen out and about. Harry also gives me the vibe
• 56:50
  Speaker 3: that he's.
• 56:50
  Speaker 1: Not a homebody.
• 56:52
  Speaker 3: Yeah. boy likes to go out and be seen and
• 56:55
  Speaker 3: be social. He's a little bit of a social butterfly.
• 56:58
  Speaker 2: He made a point to say that when we were together,
• 57:00
  Speaker 2: we had to be stuck in a hotel room. And
• 57:02
  Speaker 2: you can just hear it in his voice that I've
• 57:04
  Speaker 2: had enough of that. There's only so much sex, movies,
• 57:09
  Speaker 2: and room service one can handle for several days in
• 57:12
  Speaker 2: a row.
• 57:12
  Speaker 1: Well, also remember, he's also filmed a TV show, right?
• 57:15
  Speaker 3: Where he was not it was at the mercy of
• 57:19
  Speaker 3: somebody else's schedule for him. So he's not allowed when
• 57:22
  Speaker 3: he's filming a TV show to just leave the house
• 57:25
  Speaker 3: or leave the hotel room and just go out and
• 57:27
  Speaker 3: about and do his thing. No, they do the same
• 57:31
  Speaker 3: thing to the lead that they do to the contestants.
• 57:33
  Speaker 3: They keep you under watch. You're not allowed to go
• 57:36
  Speaker 3: and do whatever you want. And for him, it's actually
• 57:39
  Speaker 3: more labor intensive because he's got to be there.
• 57:42
  Speaker 1: Usually the lead is filming the most out of anybody.
• 57:45
  Speaker 3: So He's got to do, you know, background packages or
• 57:49
  Speaker 3: B-roll or shots in his room.
• 57:51
  Speaker 1: It's just, so I can only imagine that.
• 57:53
  Speaker 3: After he gets out of the cage of filming a show,
• 57:56
  Speaker 3: he's like, yeah, I'm not going to sit in a
• 57:58
  Speaker 3: hotel room like during my time.
• 58:00
  Speaker 1: And also Australia.
• 58:02
  Speaker 3: Right. We're back in his like, where his family, like
• 58:06
  Speaker 3: his family's in New Zealand, but his mom's in Australia.
• 58:08
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 58:09
  Speaker 3: So I can only imagine too that he's like wanting
• 58:11
  Speaker 3: to be out and about in a country he grew
• 58:14
  Speaker 3: up in, you know?
• 58:15
  Speaker 1: He probably also did not sign up to hang out
• 58:17
  Speaker 1: with Abby.
• 58:19
  Speaker 3: Probably.
• 58:20
  Speaker 1: And again, I think this is really interesting.
• 58:24
  Speaker 3: The two girlies that had sex with Harry are.
• 58:29
  Speaker 1: Cool with each other.
• 58:31
  Speaker 3: We know that they had sex on the same day,
• 58:34
  Speaker 3: but there's a lot of animosity towards Danelle and I
• 58:40
  Speaker 3: don't know how I would act in that situation, but
• 58:44
  Speaker 3: I would really try to be understanding as another woman
• 58:51
  Speaker 3: where maybe the feelings were. And I would really like
• 58:54
  Speaker 3: to hear from Amber again. What it felt like to
• 58:58
  Speaker 3: watch the show back and watch his connection with Danelle
• 59:01
  Speaker 3: build because I really also didn't like it when Amber
• 59:05
  Speaker 3: threw out, he was never going to marry you.
• 59:08
  Speaker 1: He told me that when we were in New Z.
• 59:10
  Speaker 1: That was a dig. That was such a dig, Heather.
• 59:15
  Speaker 1: And unnecessary. Unnecessary.
• 59:29
  Speaker 3: So after basically this takes up the biggest chunk of
• 59:36
  Speaker 3: the reunion, and again, they don't see eye to eye.
• 59:41
  Speaker 3: Harry says that they broke up in Australia. She says
• 59:44
  Speaker 3: that they didn't and that she's got the proof, but
• 59:47
  Speaker 3: we don't see the proof. So hey, babe, show the
• 59:49
  Speaker 3: proof if you want to. Then they bring out the
• 59:52
  Speaker 3: mentors and it's like a blip, right? Cause I'm like
• 59:56
  Speaker 3: looking at the time. I'm like, again, I'm looking at
• 59:58
  Speaker 3: the time and how far we've got left. And I'm like, okay,
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 3: so now they're bringing out the mentors. And I'm like
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 3: thinking again, I'm like, Oh my girl, Sam is not
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 3: going to get any time to talk about this. Cause
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 3: that's really what I wanted to hear. And so the
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 3: mentors come out and Sonny is just, it's, he's on
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 3: another level.
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 1: He's the only one who I actually think they're real friends.
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 3: I mean, yeah, listen, like he, Amanda said, like, she's
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 3: only been friends with Harry since he, you know, was
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 3: in the process of losing his dad. So that's only
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 3: been within the last couple of years. Sonny, we know
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 3: Harry is the godfather to his children, like, and he
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 3: spends time with him. So yeah, this guy does know him.
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 3: Sonny calls the women classless. And he kind of reiterates
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 3: what we've kind of talked about earlier on is that
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 3: these women did know what they were signing up for
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 3: and they're all kind of, you know, playing this game
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 3: of like not knowing. Georgia says that Harry was and
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 3: does want to get married and Sonny and Amber kind
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 3: of start to go at it because he's like, he
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 3: didn't cheat on you. Like the word cheating and like,
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 3: he's just really bumping up against that. I did go
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 3: to Sonny's Instagram last night when I was looking at
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 3: things and he's getting railed in the comments for standing
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 3: up for Harry.
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 2: I want to take us back to remember that clip
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 2: we talked about in an episode where they're interviewing Harry
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 2: and the mentors and Sonny is flat out.
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 1: Do you remember this?
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 2: Oh, yeah.
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 1: He said, absolutely. I did not like Harry's choice. Flat out.
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 2: Before this is ever, before the finale ever aired, before
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 2: this reunion is filmed, Sonny is seen.
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 1: Putting it out there exactly how he says.
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 3: Yep.
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 1: So I expected nothing less from him in this moment.
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 2: And when I say he's the only one that is
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 2: a clear friend for me, they have clearly been boys
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 2: for some time because this man goes to bat for Harry,
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 2: just like you would expect your best friend to.
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 1: To do. And I just appreciate the way Sonny calls
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 1: it as, as it is. You know what I mean?
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 2: This is where I start to get like discrepancies in
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 2: my own brain about like, was Amber being overly produced
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 2: with all of this stuff, saying this, the marriage, the cheating,
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 2: all of these things. And Sonny is literally like in
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 2: two seconds, setting her straight. Like, Nah, y'all broke up.
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 2: You don't get to do that to my boy. It just, I,
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 2: like the brutal honesty is what I can sit for.
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 2: And I'm not at all downplaying what Amber experienced. I
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 2: don't at all want to do that. But I just
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 2: like how Sonny is like, nope, no, we're not going
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 2: to say something that it wasn't.
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 3: I just feel like his comments don't hold a lot
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 3: of weight because they negated to say that this marriage
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 3: was not legally binding.
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Exactly. And you could have called it.
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 3: By the way, there's other shows out there where the
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 3: marriage portion of the show is not legally binding. And
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 3: they just proceed to say throughout the series, trial marriage.
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 3: There's ways to go about this, but they were going
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 3: for the shock factor. Yeah.
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 1: And that's why they did it. And Mary was in
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 1: the title. So... Anyways, they wrap it up.
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 3: Harry says that he does not consider this experience a failure.
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 3: And as they say goodbye, like I said, Amber goes
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 3: and takes off her ring and throws it at Harry
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 3: and says, here's your fucking ring.
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 1: Go fuck yourself. And Harry laughs it off.
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 3: And he's like, And she says something like, this is it.
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 1: Like, don't ever talk to me again. Like, we're done.
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 1: We're done. He's like, leave me alone. Like, to her.
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 2: Do you know what we didn't talk about before we
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 2: wrap this up? Something that we did not even mention
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 2: this episode. We're discussing the influencer that he was filming
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 2: with in Australia.
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 1: Did you catch this?
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 2: Amber puts him on blast and says, who is your
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 2: current girlfriend?
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 3: Yeah, well, he does say it at the end. He
• 1:04:10
  Speaker 3: doesn't say who it is. But she does say that
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 3: this influencer that he was filming with in Australia is
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 3: the girl that he is dating now. But they say,
• 1:04:23
  Speaker 3: he says when they were in Australia, she has a boyfriend,
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 3: this girl, this influencer.
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 1: You heard that, right?
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 2: But she, when she was going off about the influencer,
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 2: even back in the middle of the reunion, when she's
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 2: going off about this influencer, that's when she makes a
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 2: point to say, who is your current girlfriend?
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 1: Right. She says it right then and there. And I
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 1: looked it up, by the way. I looked it up,
• 1:04:44
  Speaker 1: by the way. Did you? No. So it's not confirmed.
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 1: It will be in the next 24 hours. I'm sure.
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 3: It's rumored to be this Australian influencer named Olivia something
• 1:04:58
  Speaker 3: or other.
• 1:04:59
  Speaker 1: She's very pretty. Shocker. She's a brunette. Shocker.
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 3: So yeah, so the cameras are done rolling. Everybody's leaving.
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 3: And then on the screen, it says, after cameras stopped rolling,
• 1:05:12
  Speaker 3: Harry had more to say. This felt, again, badly produced.
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 1: Again, it just was, it felt like an afterthought. And
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 1: that's because it was.
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 3: And it says Harry has, you know, he says he
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 3: has gratitude for this.
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 1: Even though things.
• 1:05:26
  Speaker 3: Got fiery, you know, at the reunion, he says he
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 3: doesn't regret this experience. And then he says he found
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 3: the perfect person who he thinks he wants to become
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 3: a husband for. And he kind of like leaves it
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 3: at that. The host doesn't press, doesn't get any more information.
• 1:05:45
  Speaker 3: So yeah, we're going to be seeing Harry clearly going
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 3: Instagram official or red carpet official with somebody very soon.
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 3: If it's this Olivia girl that it's rumored to be
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 3: on the internet. But yeah, so that's the reunion. I
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 3: would love to hear what other people thought of it.
• 1:06:05
  Speaker 3: 8445 almost. Leave us a message with your thoughts and
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 3: opinions on it. If you have questions for any of
• 1:06:13
  Speaker 3: the girls, leave us a message and you'll probably actually
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 3: get your question asked correctly or we'll play your voicemail
• 1:06:23
  Speaker 3: for them. So if you have a question for any
• 1:06:25
  Speaker 3: of the girls on Harry's cast, 8445 almost.
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 1: Send it to us.
• 1:06:32
  Speaker 3: We are going to do this right because there's clearly
• 1:06:34
  Speaker 3: a lot more that we have to talk about with
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 3: these women. Even though this reunion was taped this week,
• 1:06:41
  Speaker 3: I still think there's a lot more out there.
• 1:06:44
  Speaker 1: I sent you a text. We'll end on this.
• 1:06:46
  Speaker 3: The message I sent you last night that Harry posted
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 3: on his socials. Do you want to open that up
• 1:06:52
  Speaker 3: and read what he had to say?
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 2: All right. The message that Harry posted reads, Just want
• 1:06:58
  Speaker 2: to say something regarding the reunion. It became incredibly heated
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 2: and was filled with unchecked chaos. And unfortunately, there were
• 1:07:07
  Speaker 2: moments where it felt impossible to have a real conversation
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 2: or even finish a sentence. I can handle having rings
• 1:07:14
  Speaker 2: thrown at my face. I can handle being stood over
• 1:07:17
  Speaker 2: and screamed at. I can handle the name calling, the contradictions,
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 2: and the belittling. But bringing my dad's death into an
• 1:07:25
  Speaker 2: argument as a way to hurt me or create some
• 1:07:28
  Speaker 2: sort of moment crossed a line. Losing my dad is
• 1:07:32
  Speaker 2: something I'm still navigating. Using that loss against me was
• 1:07:36
  Speaker 2: incredibly hurtful, and it is disrespect I will never accept
• 1:07:40
  Speaker 2: or stand for. It's unfortunate that this journey had to
• 1:07:44
  Speaker 2: end this way. I don't wish negativity on anyone involved,
• 1:07:48
  Speaker 2: and I genuinely... hope that we can all move forward
• 1:07:51
  Speaker 2: from this. Thank you, Sunny Henty, for being a real
• 1:07:55
  Speaker 2: friend to me in that moment and for trying to
• 1:07:57
  Speaker 2: make sure I had the opportunity to speak.
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 3: Yeah, we didn't even get into that grief comment and stuff,
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 3: but Deanna is going to be talking with some of
• 1:08:07
  Speaker 3: the ladies. And so maybe we can get some clarification.
• 1:08:11
  Speaker 3: I'm sure they've all watched the reunion. They've seen the
• 1:08:14
  Speaker 3: online video. you know, communication and discussion. So I can't
• 1:08:18
  Speaker 3: wait to dive into this. This has been fun. Again,
• 1:08:22
  Speaker 3: I did like this show. I didn't like the reunion,
• 1:08:25
  Speaker 3: but I did like this show. I don't know with
• 1:08:28
  Speaker 3: a show like this if you get a season two,
• 1:08:30
  Speaker 3: which kind of is the frustrating aspect of something like this.
• 1:08:35
  Speaker 2: I ask you that because everybody's saying season one, season
• 1:08:38
  Speaker 2: one reunion, this. Are we anticipating a rollover show? Are
• 1:08:42
  Speaker 2: we anticipating?
• 1:08:45
  Speaker 1: Let's marry Amber. I don't think so. I don't think so.
• 1:08:51
  Speaker 3: I think that Harry could possibly get another show, but
• 1:08:56
  Speaker 3: then it's not let's marry Harry.
• 1:08:57
  Speaker 1: Let's marry. live life with Harry or something. I don't know.
• 1:09:04
  Speaker 3: But I don't foresee Amber getting a show after this.
• 1:09:08
  Speaker 3: Do I think Amber could be on TV again like
• 1:09:11
  Speaker 3: her cousin and get herself on another show? Yeah, I
• 1:09:15
  Speaker 3: do see that happening. But I'd like to hear from her.
• 1:09:20
  Speaker 3: what she feels about reality TV, how she is feeling
• 1:09:27
  Speaker 3: about the idea of marriage in general after this experience,
• 1:09:31
  Speaker 3: since we know that she was divorced before coming into this.
• 1:09:35
  Speaker 1: But yeah, Deanna, this has been so fun.
• 1:09:38
  Speaker 3: And I hope we get to do another show in
• 1:09:41
  Speaker 3: the future. But this has been Let's Marry Harry season one.
• 1:09:46
  Speaker 3: Who knows if there will be more?
• 1:09:48
  Speaker 1: But yeah, stay tuned.
• 1:09:49
  Speaker 3: Like I said, Deanna will be talking with some of
• 1:09:52
  Speaker 3: the ladies on the show. And leave us a comment.
• 1:09:56
  Speaker 3: Leave us your questions for the ladies.
• 1:09:59
  Speaker 1: 844-5-ALMOST. We'll be back soon.
• 1:10:02
  Speaker 2: Bye.
• 1:10:03
  Speaker 1: Bye.