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Pareto Principle, the 80/20 Rule, and More Jumbotron Antics · I Hate Talking

• 0:30
  I Hate Talking: Welcome to episode 75 of I Hate Talking.
• 0:33
  I Hate Talking: Hi everyone.
• 0:34
  I Hate Talking: Now, at some point, like episode 60 was like important to you instead of 50.
• 0:40
  I Hate Talking: Does episode 75 elicit any particular response?
• 0:44
  I Hate Talking: Yeah, I think so.
• 0:45
  I Hate Talking: Uh, last week I almost was like, hey, we're almost at 75.
• 0:48
  I Hate Talking: So yeah, I guess so.
• 0:49
  I Hate Talking: Not as much as 60, but 75 is a cool one.
• 0:52
  I Hate Talking: What about you?
• 0:54
  I Hate Talking: More so than 60, but I think my next particular milestone would be triple digits.
• 1:01
  I Hate Talking: Yeah, I think 100 is cool.
• 1:03
  I Hate Talking: When will that be?
• 1:04
  I Hate Talking: Like January?
• 1:05
  I Hate Talking: I have no idea.
• 1:07
  I Hate Talking: OK, 25 weeks from now, I guess.
• 1:10
  I Hate Talking: Yeah, so.
• 1:12
  I Hate Talking: Well, our word or phrase has to do with numbers in percentages, and those percentages adding up to 100%.
• 1:22
  I Hate Talking: So it would probably be more fitting to do this for our 100th episode or perhaps our 80th episode or way back at our 20th episode, but nonetheless, we are doing it here for episode 75, and that is the word Pado.
• 1:37
  I Hate Talking: Oh, OK, I don't know that word.
• 1:40
  I Hate Talking: Do you remember it being discussed briefly in our last episode?
• 1:45
  I Hate Talking: No, I don't.
• 1:47
  I Hate Talking: So, to remind you and perhaps our listeners that have forgotten or maybe haven't listened to that particular episode.
• 1:54
  I Hate Talking: That was describing perhaps how to divide categories of people based on if they do things intrinsically based on their own motivation to get things done quickly and completely versus doing things to please other people or just waiting until the very last minute.
• 2:16
  I Hate Talking: OK.
• 2:17
  I Hate Talking: So originally I said perhaps that follows the law of thirds, which law of thirds is not actually even really a categorical way of dividing things because law of thirds typically actually has to do with artwork, particularly photography, and then I also mentioned that perhaps the categories would be better defined by Paredo.
• 2:40
  I Hate Talking: Hm, OK, so explain what Paredo is.
• 2:44
  I Hate Talking: So Paredo is not actually a word.
• 2:46
  I Hate Talking: It is a name of the gentleman that coined this particular mathematical concept, maybe even a law, I guess we'll find out when we look up the official history and definition, but essentially this gentleman saw that within a variety of mathematical systems and categories and I think mainly more around systems than necessarily like nature, but he'd found that things broke into the 80/20 rule.
• 3:21
  I Hate Talking: So essentially 20% of the population is responsible for 80% of the production or 20% of the variables are responsible for 80% of the particular outcome in a set of numbers.
• 3:36
  I Hate Talking: So this is known as Pareto analysis, basically stacked ranking of -- occurrences in a way that typically comes out to that 80/20 -- rule.
• 3:48
  I Hate Talking: OK, so I didn't know what Paredo was.
• 3:51
  I Hate Talking: I definitely hear the 80/20 because it's said a lot and a lot of volunteer and nonprofit organizations or in churches and that sort of thing.
• 4:01
  I Hate Talking: Well, they'll say 20% of the people do 80% of the work.
• 4:05
  I Hate Talking: And so that was coined by Predo.
• 4:08
  I Hate Talking: I think so.
• 4:09
  I Hate Talking: This is all going off of memory and this is how I generally use these terms.
• 4:14
  I Hate Talking: So we'll do our official research now and see if we're using these things right or if we'll find ourselves learning something new like we did last time with pontificate.
• 4:27
  I Hate Talking: OK.
• 4:27
  I Hate Talking: So, basically, Paredo, as defined by the Oxford Language Dictionary, says that it denotes or involves the theories and methods of the Italian economist and sociologist Wilfrid Pareo, who lived from 1848 to 1923, especially a formula used to express the income distribution of a society.
• 4:53
  I Hate Talking: So, as we look at Wikipedia of all things, we see a little bit more of this overlap with the 80/20 rule.
• 5:03
  I Hate Talking: So that does align, so using that correctly, that the Pareto principle is also known as the 80/20 rule and states that, quote, roughly 80% of consequences come from 20% of causes, end quote.
• 5:19
  I Hate Talking: This is also known as the vital few or the principle of factor sparsity, which I don't think I've ever run into those terms.
• 5:28
  I Hate Talking: I've always heard it Pareto or 80/20, but apparently this is some other references that describe the same thing.
• 5:35
  I Hate Talking: OK, huh.
• 5:36
  I Hate Talking: Obviously, this is used, I think a lot within financial systems and I'll run into it with various things that I'll do in life where some sort of mathematical distribution is being encountered a lot of times with money, but also just processes in general where basically there might be like the rule states, 20% of X is actually causing 80% of the problem.
• 6:05
  I Hate Talking: Yeah, like division of labor and that sort of thing.
• 6:08
  I Hate Talking: Yeah, division of labor, exception management.
• 6:12
  I Hate Talking: The example here in Wikipedia is about donations.
• 6:16
  I Hate Talking: The example given here is 20% of the donors contribute 80% of the grand total of money.
• 6:25
  I Hate Talking: So that is some examples of the 80/20 rule, OK.
• 6:29
  I Hate Talking: So, the history of this particular term was from the gentleman, Mr.
• 6:37
  I Hate Talking: Peredo, and that original work indicated that approximately 80% of Italy's land was owned by 20% of the population.
• 6:48
  I Hate Talking: And then this later was used by a gentleman named Joseph Geron, who applied the same concept to quality issues where 80% of an issue was caused by 20% of whatever the root cause was that drove that particular quality issue, and this gentleman, Geron also was the one that coined the phrase the vital few.
• 7:17
  I Hate Talking: And the useful many.
• 7:19
  I Hate Talking: So I definitely can resonate with that part, but I'm having a hard time understanding what you said maybe 2 or 3 sentences ago about the outcome or the cause.
• 7:29
  I Hate Talking: Does that just mean like, we said 20% of the people do 80% of the work, or 20% donate 80%?
• 7:37
  I Hate Talking: Is that what he means by cause?
• 7:40
  I Hate Talking: Or what are some other examples?
• 7:42
  I Hate Talking: So, like within a manufacturing line, because I think that is how Geron used this particular concept for quality analysis.
• 7:51
  I Hate Talking: So if you have a set of 10 machines that are manufacturing parts and there's certain defects that are found.
• 8:03
  I Hate Talking: Is that 20% of the machines are producing 80% of the defects because perhaps two of those machines or just 20% are doing something with a faulty setting or have something broken or whatever the case may be, so those machines are producing a higher preponderance of defects because of that particular concept.
• 8:26
  I Hate Talking: So, if you fix 20% of the machines, then you'll actually eliminate 80% of the defects.
• 8:33
  I Hate Talking: OK, I'm just playing that in my head.
• 8:36
  I Hate Talking: So 20% of the machines cause 80% of the problems.
• 8:40
  I Hate Talking: So 80% of the machines are problem-free?
• 8:44
  I Hate Talking: No, they are not completely problem-free, but they are nearly problem-free because those other 80% of the machines are only producing 20% of the defects because of the inverse relationship there.
• 8:57
  I Hate Talking: OK.
• 8:58
  I Hate Talking: So, all that to say that I think what we discussed last time does not necessarily follow the rule of thirds because I don't even think the rule of thirds really applies to mathematical distributions per se.
• 9:13
  I Hate Talking: But that the 80/20 rule or the Pareto principle or the vital few is going to play more part in terms of how people are motivated and what they produce and it really aligns with some of the particular concepts with land ownership or donations or quality production that you're going to have 80% of good outcomes produced by only 20% of the input.
• 9:42
  I Hate Talking: So I've definitely heard the 80/20 rule.
• 9:46
  I Hate Talking: It's just thrown out there, said like that, or a way like that, but I don't ever hear like the Pareto principle or vital few.
• 9:55
  I Hate Talking: So when I hear it thrown out there 80/20, I can pontificate and correct them by saying, you mean the paraal principle?
• 10:04
  I Hate Talking: Pareto principle.
• 10:06
  I Hate Talking: Yes, Pareto principle.
• 10:08
  I Hate Talking: Yes, P A R E T O Pareto.
• 10:11
  I Hate Talking: And that's how I've always heard it pronounced.
• 10:15
  I Hate Talking: It might have a particular Italian flair that you're supposed to say it with like something parareto using my white lotus and the paper inflection there from that particular actress.
• 10:30
  I Hate Talking: -- So -- thanks for that.
• 10:31
  I Hate Talking: I guess.
• 10:32
  I Hate Talking: Oh, is it the same girl?
• 10:34
  I Hate Talking: It is.
• 10:35
  I Hate Talking: I thought I saw her before.
• 10:38
  I Hate Talking: I find her very annoying in both shows.
• 10:40
  I Hate Talking: Yeah, I'm not a fan.
• 10:42
  I Hate Talking: So yes, every time that I've watched the paper, which has only been -- 2 -- times, I don't even plan on continuing.
• 10:49
  I Hate Talking: I watch all I can think of when she shows up is her as like a hotel manager in Italy.
• 10:56
  I Hate Talking: Well, she's a manager of a paper company in somewhere in the US, right?
• 11:01
  I Hate Talking: I don't even know.
• 11:02
  I Hate Talking: I'm, I'm not really.
• 11:04
  I Hate Talking: -- I don't like -- the Toledo, Ohio.
• 11:06
  I Hate Talking: I was gonna say Ohio.
• 11:07
  I Hate Talking: I couldn't think of the town, so.
• 11:09
  I Hate Talking: In, OK, yeah, I did not make the connection.
• 11:11
  I Hate Talking: She's the same person.
• 11:12
  I Hate Talking: Yes, -- she -- is.
• 11:14
  I Hate Talking: Indeed.
• 11:15
  I Hate Talking: So, now you know that the 80/20 rule is the same as the Pareto analysis or principle and even have some other terms applied to it, the vital few.
• 11:27
  I Hate Talking: Or what was the other one?
• 11:28
  I Hate Talking: The other one I actually liked the most.
• 11:30
  I Hate Talking: I don't know.
• 11:31
  I Hate Talking: The principle of factor sparsity can sound really smart and I can't think of how you would say pontificatious.
• 11:42
  I Hate Talking: Is that a word?
• 11:42
  I Hate Talking: I don't know.
• 11:43
  I Hate Talking: It can sound very pontificatious if you use the term principle of factor sparsity.
• 11:49
  I Hate Talking: That does sound like it'd fit that category.
• 11:51
  I Hate Talking: So, all that to say that I guess my use of Pareto and 80/20 rule was in line with some of these particular concepts and likewise, I think this is going to be more applicable to the scenarios that we were describing last time and who does the work and what work is done.
• 12:08
  I Hate Talking: Mhm.
• 12:09
  I Hate Talking: Cool.
• 12:10
  I Hate Talking: Well, one thing we haven't talked about yet is the Phillies game.
• 12:15
  I Hate Talking: Yes, I suppose the Phillies game was in the news recently, and I guess we'll continue our theme of just talking about things that are caught on -- Jumbotron -- cameras.
• 12:28
  I Hate Talking: We've, we've covered Coldplay.
• 12:30
  I Hate Talking: Now we can cover the Phillies.
• 12:32
  I Hate Talking: Yes, the Coldplay people are sighing with relief now because their internet's on to somebody else.
• 12:38
  I Hate Talking: That's true.
• 12:39
  I Hate Talking: So I've seen definitely the video.
• 12:43
  I Hate Talking: I've even seen some cell phone camera footage from other angles.
• 12:48
  I Hate Talking: So for those that don't know or haven't seen this, basically there was a Phillies game and there was a ball hit into the stands.
• 12:58
  I Hate Talking: I assume it was probably a home run based on where they were sitting, and there was a gentleman that was there with his family and young son.
• 13:08
  I Hate Talking: And he retrieved the ball from 14 to 16 seats over same aisle.
• 13:16
  I Hate Talking: Uh, one aisle different, I believe.
• 13:19
  I Hate Talking: I think so.
• 13:20
  I Hate Talking: The ball did bounce, so it like bounced into his aisle, but originally I think hit like one aisle up, one row up rather.
• 13:29
  I Hate Talking: And then a woman in a Philly shirt comes over and I think touches him, right?
• 13:37
  I Hate Talking: And he his shoulder.
• 13:39
  I Hate Talking: Looks actually sort of frightened and sort of shakes and then she's like demanding the ball because it should have been hers because she almost caught it and it landed in her area and the guy was just trying to retrieve it for his son, so it wasn't even necessarily for his personal collection, but trying to gift that to his son that was at this game and in the end he gave her the ball.
• 14:02
  I Hate Talking: So my initial takeaways first are obviously the father had no idea what was gonna come.
• 14:10
  I Hate Talking: He went and got the ball.
• 14:11
  I Hate Talking: We could talk about whether he should have done that in a few minutes, but I was struck with how endearing he was to his family.
• 14:18
  I Hate Talking: He went and got it, put it in his son's mitt, gave his son a hug, like it was not for show.
• 14:24
  I Hate Talking: He didn't know he was on the jumbotron or anything like that, you know, or maybe he wasn't even on a jumbotron at that moment.
• 14:30
  I Hate Talking: I don't know.
• 14:31
  I Hate Talking: But I was like, oh, what a nice dad.
• 14:33
  I Hate Talking: Like he physically is like hugging his son, he's so proud and happy, you know, and so it's not fake or anything.
• 14:40
  I Hate Talking: I think he's sincerely like a very loving, doting dad.
• 14:44
  I Hate Talking: Yeah, I think so, and I'm sure I had the best of intentions when trying to retrieve the baseball and again, did not have any selfish ambition per se, but was doing that for his son and family in general.
• 14:59
  I Hate Talking: Yeah.
• 14:59
  I Hate Talking: So do you want to talk about whether he should have gotten the ball or who should have first?
• 15:04
  I Hate Talking: Sure, because you think he should have had the ball and kept the ball and there was no issue about it.
• 15:10
  I Hate Talking: Yeah, I mean, I've been to a whole bunch of baseball games, it's definitely how my family spent our time growing up, and you see this all the time, and it's first come, first served to it.
• 15:24
  I Hate Talking: And I think he had just as much right or more because again, he didn't have to cross lanes.
• 15:29
  I Hate Talking: This lady was above it and her arms are not long enough to reach down an aisle or two to the ground.
• 15:38
  I Hate Talking: Yeah, because you missed it upon the first attempt and it bounced.
• 15:40
  I Hate Talking: Yeah, I think it's different if you catch the ball or I have a friend who got hit by a ball.
• 15:48
  I Hate Talking: And they didn't get to keep it.
• 15:50
  I Hate Talking: So I feel like those are different, right?
• 15:51
  I Hate Talking: It's like this friend who got hit, I think the cool thing would have been whoever got it, to give it to them, cause like, hey, that's a bummer, you got injured, here's the ball at least, or if you catch it, do not take it out of someone's hand or anything like that.
• 16:06
  I Hate Talking: But if it's not in your possession, I feel like it's fair game to get.
• 16:11
  I Hate Talking: Yes, within certain parameters.
• 16:15
  I Hate Talking: So there was not very many people in the stands.
• 16:20
  I Hate Talking: So that was a factor because it allowed this gentleman to actually get to that particular area.
• 16:25
  I Hate Talking: And I'm of the opinion that I could go either way, but I would say that the woman was not in the right at all to request it.
• 16:35
  I Hate Talking: But I don't think the guy was in the right either because he was going far out of his way to go retrieve the ball.
• 16:43
  I Hate Talking: Now, if I was a kid, I would have more empathy towards them because they're going to be excited and go run after it.
• 16:50
  I Hate Talking: But as a grown man, I feel like he should have stayed where he was and let the people in the immediate seating area retrieve the ball.
• 16:59
  I Hate Talking: OK, I mean, that's fair enough, but he was getting it for his kid too.
• 17:03
  I Hate Talking: Yeah, the kids should have went and got it.
• 17:06
  I Hate Talking: Also, this is Philadelphia.
• 17:08
  I Hate Talking: Well, I don't think it was, it was at, uh, away game, I think.
• 17:12
  I Hate Talking: OK, well, it was still composed of Phillies fans.
• 17:15
  I Hate Talking: I think he's at the Marlins.
• 17:18
  I Hate Talking: OK, -- well then that changes things a little bit because maybe he was a Marlins fan -- and he had the Phillies uniform on.
• 17:24
  I Hate Talking: Oh, -- he had a Phillies uniform -- and so did she.
• 17:26
  I Hate Talking: She did.
• 17:26
  I Hate Talking: I mean, you can look it up.
• 17:27
  I Hate Talking: The reason I think it was an away game was because the Marlins team is who first initially gave him like a goodie bag as a consolation prize.
• 17:37
  I Hate Talking: According to what I'm finding here is that this was a game at Philly Stadium.
• 17:43
  I Hate Talking: OK, so then the Marlins just were the first to intervene.
• 17:47
  I Hate Talking: Yes, and the man, according to this particular post here that is filled with a billion ads, but it looks like some sort of tweet from somebody says that he was wearing an Eagles jersey or shirt.
• 18:02
  I Hate Talking: OK, I don't know.
• 18:04
  I Hate Talking: I didn't deep dive this, and I've seen several headlines that are wrong, but from what I actually see, I've seen him in an Eagles shirt at a press conference.
• 18:13
  I Hate Talking: His brother supposedly plays for the Eagles.
• 18:17
  I Hate Talking: I see.
• 18:18
  I Hate Talking: That's a headline I saw.
• 18:20
  I Hate Talking: I can't confirm that, but I did see him in an Eagles shirt also, and I saw a headline that said his brother who plays for the Eagles spoke out about the incident.
• 18:29
  I Hate Talking: I see.
• 18:30
  I Hate Talking: So, anyway, my point about it being Philadelphia still stands, whether it was in Philadelphia or not, that these were Philadelphia fans, and for sure the woman was.
• 18:41
  I Hate Talking: And I've been to many different places in many different times of my life, and Philadelphia would be one particular area that I would like not want to be involved in any sort of altercation.
• 18:55
  I Hate Talking: Like I'm going to go out of my way not to interact with people in Philadelphia.
• 18:59
  I Hate Talking: Yeah, I mean, you didn't live far from there for a while, so you can say that, right?
• 19:06
  I Hate Talking: I don't know.
• 19:06
  I Hate Talking: That sounds mean.
• 19:07
  I Hate Talking: No, I don't think it is because I think Philadelphia people will even sort of claim that as a way that they behave and that's sort of, it's sort of similar to New York, right?
• 19:19
  I Hate Talking: And you have sort of the New York off-standishness type of thing, and I think Philadelphia is going to actually Adopt that and sort of be proud of that.
• 19:28
  I Hate Talking: Like the Prince of Bel-Air, his whole song about being from Philadelphia.
• 19:33
  I Hate Talking: Precisely.
• 19:34
  I Hate Talking: It will be interesting to see if it's Always Sunny in Philadelphia.
• 19:37
  I Hate Talking: We'll do this as part of a joke in their next season.
• 19:41
  I Hate Talking: Maybe that'd be interesting.
• 19:42
  I Hate Talking: It would be interesting.
• 19:43
  I Hate Talking: And then that's not the only thing that happened on a jumbotron.
• 19:47
  I Hate Talking: Have you heard of the billionaire that stole a hat from a kid at a tennis match?
• 19:52
  I Hate Talking: That was before this happened, right?
• 19:54
  I Hate Talking: -- It -- was, but it was only within a couple of days, I think.
• 19:56
  I Hate Talking: I've seen, I didn't hear much about that one, a little bit, and then I've seen memes that are like, he's all relieved because the Phillies incident overrode his.
• 20:08
  I Hate Talking: That's true, yes.
• 20:09
  I Hate Talking: But I don't really know who that was, but apparently it was some very rich person that essentially took this hat out of the kid's hands, pretty much.
• 20:19
  I Hate Talking: That's crazy.
• 20:19
  I Hate Talking: I suppose so.
• 20:21
  I Hate Talking: And then, have you heard what happened to the Phillies woman?
• 20:24
  I Hate Talking: -- The lady that stole the got the ball that -- got the ball, yes.
• 20:28
  I Hate Talking: I've heard people trying to dox her and then it's not the right person or yada yada.
• 20:32
  I Hate Talking: Tell me what you know.
• 20:33
  I Hate Talking: Well, I don't know this for sure, so perhaps we are feeding the false narrative, but I heard that she was some sort of teacher within the Philadelphia school system and is no longer employed there.
• 20:44
  I Hate Talking: Yeah, I've seen that.
• 20:45
  I Hate Talking: I've also seen some places be like, this is not the right person, but whoever it was supposedly has changed her Facebook to like say that it's not her.
• 20:55
  I Hate Talking: She's not the right person.
• 20:57
  I Hate Talking: I don't know.
• 20:58
  I Hate Talking: It's very possible.
• 21:00
  I Hate Talking: So, but it's sad.
• 21:01
  I Hate Talking: So first, just the audacity to go over and start screaming at someone.
• 21:06
  I Hate Talking: In my head, I'm, I just feel bad for her because how sad can her life be?
• 21:10
  I Hate Talking: I mean, I feel like I understand the like frustration, like, oh, I almost got it, or it should have been mine, but to actually physically go over there and put your hands on someone.
• 21:21
  I Hate Talking: In front of his family and start screaming at him and cussing at him.
• 21:25
  I Hate Talking: Like that's a whole different level of hatred.
• 21:29
  I Hate Talking: She was using profanities, so I'd never listened to any of the audio.
• 21:31
  I Hate Talking: -- I think -- so, yeah, I mean, I didn't.
• 21:33
  I Hate Talking: Interesting.
• 21:34
  I Hate Talking: And then she was like, yeah, flipped them off later and stuff.
• 21:38
  I Hate Talking: Interesting.
• 21:39
  I Hate Talking: Well, I think we can apply the Pareto principle, the 80/20 rule that probably there are 20% of people like her in the world, and they cause 80% of altercations and conflicts.
• 21:55
  I Hate Talking: Right, because that's, again, I've been to so many, you've never seen that before.
• 21:59
  I Hate Talking: But I'm just really glad that the family was taken care of, and that I think the dad did the right thing.
• 22:05
  I Hate Talking: Because what kind of example would it be if he fought the woman, which it looked like maybe she would.
• 22:13
  I Hate Talking: And that ball, I just feel like the ball would always be tainted, you know, like, the kid is not gonna take this home and be proud of it any longer, if his dad got into a fight.
• 22:22
  I Hate Talking: Yeah, I suppose so.
• 22:24
  I Hate Talking: I think that was the best path of de-escalation.
• 22:27
  I Hate Talking: I've seen a lot of people say that he should have stood up for that, but I think it was the right thing to do, to just turn it over, especially given the high level of intensity from the particular person that was.
• 22:41
  I Hate Talking: Precipitating this particular engagement.
• 22:45
  I Hate Talking: The thing I haven't seen that I'm most curious about is what did she do the rest of the game.
• 22:51
  I Hate Talking: Because we know the Marlins team came over and gave him a goodie bag, and then they also got to stay after and meet the Phillies players and get like a signed ball and bat and all that.
• 23:03
  I Hate Talking: So they actually walked away with a lot more stuff.
• 23:06
  I Hate Talking: Yeah, did he get a PS5 or something like that?
• 23:08
  I Hate Talking: -- I don't -- know.
• 23:09
  I Hate Talking: I don't know.
• 23:10
  I Hate Talking: I might be confusing the tennis player because one of the people got a PS5.
• 23:14
  I Hate Talking: So it might have been the kid that had the hat stolen or it might have been this Phillies incident, but somebody got a PS5 out of one of those incidents.
• 23:21
  I Hate Talking: I saw somebody tweet that they were gonna buy this family World Series tickets.
• 23:26
  I Hate Talking: I don't know if that will pan out, but I saw that.
• 23:29
  I Hate Talking: So yeah, but what did she do?
• 23:31
  I Hate Talking: Did she just sit there the whole time or did they leave?
• 23:34
  I Hate Talking: Cause I know she started to get into other altercations with other fans.
• 23:37
  I Hate Talking: They're booing her and all that.
• 23:40
  I Hate Talking: That was she escorted off?
• 23:42
  I Hate Talking: Did she leave on her own?
• 23:43
  I Hate Talking: She sit it out and wait?
• 23:45
  I Hate Talking: I have no idea.
• 23:46
  I Hate Talking: I think people like that probably would have just sat it out and waited and enjoyed the rest of the game.
• 23:51
  I Hate Talking: Man, did you see her husband next to her or the guy next to her?
• 23:55
  I Hate Talking: No, he looked just so, I would not even like horrified, more just like.
• 24:00
  I Hate Talking: I think that she's done this before, kind of thing, like, almost like a, I'm gonna pretend like this is not happening, and everything's good, I'm watching the game.
• 24:10
  I Hate Talking: But I would be horrified if you acted that way or anything like that.
• 24:14
  I Hate Talking: That's true.
• 24:16
  I Hate Talking: So, I don't know what happened, and perhaps we will never know.
• 24:21
  I Hate Talking: Similar to, we don't know what happened to the Coldplay people, maybe they're living happily ever after, maybe not.
• 24:28
  I Hate Talking: Maybe it was all just one big distraction from whatever else is going on in the world.
• 24:33
  I Hate Talking: Because do you even know what 3I Atlas is?
• 24:38
  I Hate Talking: Yeah.
• 24:40
  I Hate Talking: Well, there you go.
• 24:41
  I Hate Talking: So maybe that will be our topic next time so that you, our listener, can remain informed and not distracted by the Jumbotron narrative.
• 24:51
  I Hate Talking: OK, so as long as no one else gets stalked or humiliated on a jumbotron, next time we'll talk about the three-eyed atlas.
• 25:00
  I Hate Talking: Three-eye Atlas.
• 25:02
  I Hate Talking: All right.
• 25:03
  I Hate Talking: And perhaps some papers that were co-authored by Avi Loeb.
• 25:09
  I Hate Talking: Huh, I don't know who that is.
• 25:12
  I Hate Talking: Well, perhaps you should.
• 25:13
  I Hate Talking: Is he on a jumbotron?
• 25:16
  I Hate Talking: Because that's kind of where my amount of knowledge is right now.
• 25:19
  I Hate Talking: He is not on a jumbotron.
• 25:22
  I Hate Talking: Let's quickly see where he works because I think it's somewhere relatively prestigious.
• 25:27
  I Hate Talking: Professor of science at Harvard University.
• 25:31
  I Hate Talking: I hear that's prestigious.
• 25:33
  I Hate Talking: Yes, I think so.
• 25:35
  I Hate Talking: He is also the director of the Institute for Theory and Computation at the Center of Astrophysics.
• 25:42
  I Hate Talking: Oh, yeah, that's impressive.
• 25:44
  I Hate Talking: The other thing that he talks about is fun to say, but I gotta find out how to pronounce it.
• 25:49
  I Hate Talking: A muamua -- Auamua mua -- is that English?
• 25:53
  I Hate Talking: I don't know.
• 25:55
  I Hate Talking: We'll have to find out next time.
• 25:56
  I Hate Talking: Lots of teasers.
• 25:58
  I Hate Talking: 3 eye atlas.
• 26:00
  I Hate Talking: Avi Loeb and Amammua.
• 26:04
  I Hate Talking: All right, I look forward to it.
• 26:06
  I Hate Talking: All right, so from your friends at I Hate Talking, until next time, remember, it is only through talking that we begin the journey to understanding.