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Seahawks vs. Titans Preseason Week 2 Standouts and Concerns · Sea Hawkers Podcast: for Seattle Seahawks fans

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Clinton: Welcome to the Sea Hawkers Podcast.
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I'm your host Clinton Bonner.
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Adam, the Seahawks, we lose 19-16 to the Tennessee Titans.
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I'm not so sure the, the final score matters tonight.
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We're gonna recap this game.
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Adam, the Seahawks played exactly one half of football, basically.
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I'm wearing half a shirt.
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How you doing, buddy?
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Adam: I love that you're wearing half a shirt in honor
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of, half a football game.
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Look, I mean, there's a lot that we can take away from this game.
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I've got my pocket full of notes here.
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Mm-hmm.
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And I think probably the first thing to start out with here, Clinton, if
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we're gonna talk about big stories of the night- I think that the biggest
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story coming out of this game by far is that Jason Myers has the shanks.
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Mm.
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He has the shanks, Clinton.
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You
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Clinton: go
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Adam: and kick it early.
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Somebody needs to take him aside, make him put his helmet on backwards,
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take all his change from his right pocket to the left, put a golf tee
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behind his ear, and stop shooting chili peppers up Lee Jansen's ass.
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And start, you know, getting through the ball.
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Like, this spraying stuff to the right, it's now two games in a
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row, and this is a massive concern.
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Clinton: Well, look, we, our special teams was so, so good last year.
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Myers literally broke the all-time NFL record for most points
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scored in what did he have?
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Six field goals in the last game of the season, right?
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Going six for six.
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Yeah.
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And he saved, saved their ass a couple times last year.
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That Philip Rivers game comes to mind as well, late in the season versus the Colts.
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He was Money Myers- Yep … all year.
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Adam: Last year, that, last year.
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Clinton: Yeah, and so far, so not very good.
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Now, the games don't count yet, but it looks ugly.
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You know, I know we're jumping right into Kicker Talk, but it looks ugly.
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Everything is getting pushed.
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Like you said, doesn't seem like a lot of follow through.
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The ball's tailing on him, and it looks very, very, very, very ugly.
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We will get into all of it, and we'll stick on Myers for a second more, but
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I always want to recognize Ryan911 coming in, our executive live producer.
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999 super chat.
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Say, "My man, the hose was fantastic tonight."
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We thank you, Ryan.
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You're the man.
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And, but all right, what else you want, do you still want
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to talk about Myers, though?
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We got it out there early.
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Adam: Special teams, like-
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Clinton: Special teams, bad, bad, right?
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Again, great last year.
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Today- Yeah … the Titans are in the game, even, even at halftime,
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they're in the game because our special teams is brutal.
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Adam: Yeah, it was tough.
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Cody White with the fumble as well on the punt return.
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Clinton: Yeah.
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Adam: Henderson had a return as well where he, like, caught it and
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then suddenly took it out, then tried to go back in, and it was just like,
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dude, like, run the football, you know?
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tough, tough game for special teams, and we wanted to get kind of the bad
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out of the way, or at least the majority of the bad out of the way at first.
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There we go.
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special teams was the worst unit of the night.
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and then you start looking at the first half and you go, "Holy
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crap, the Seahawks', twos are better than the Titans' ones."
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Clinton: Yeah, Robert Saleh can kiss all the grits.
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before we do get there, I do think we have to also recognize
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the other bad bad, Bud Clark.
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When you bring the air cast out there within, like, 30 seconds, bad bad.
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Sucks incredibly hard for the young man, for our team, for our depth.
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He's our second round pick, and- I'm no doctor, Adam.
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I, I don't, don't even play one on TV, but when you're bringing an air cast out and
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getting carted off with that much kind of fanfare around you, for a lack of a very
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bad term there, doesn't look good for Bud.
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We'll hear, I'm s- I'm sure shortly, but I don't think we're gonna see this
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dude this entire year now it seems like.
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Adam: No, that looked like a season ender right there.
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Heartbreaking for sure, and you could see just how much pain he
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was in right out of the gate.
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I mean, immediately motioning to the sidelines.
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super tough break, man.
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Yeah.
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And I was super excited about Bud Clark.
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that's, yeah, that's the second biggest story of the night,
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with Bud Clark going down.
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Clinton: Yeah, I mean, and I do wanna get into some of the people we
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did see later in even the third and fourth quarter in the safety position,
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because now that really opens up, and it may be just examining- Yeah
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what can we look at at safety, when we get behind, you know, Okada and Love,
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'cause that changes, that changes now.
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And, yeah, very, very, just very unfortunate.
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It's, it's a bru- football stuff, man.
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Brutal game.
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I mean, look, Raiders go out there today and Ashton Jeanty blew out an ACL today.
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He, he's done- Oh
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most likely done- Are we
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Adam: sure?
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Clinton: Well-
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Adam: I just saw an update that they thought that he avoided major injury.
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Clinton: I, I, I hope so.
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I saw one that said looks like an ACL tear and likely done, so look, I hope
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the dude, I hope the dude avoided all that, but it's a brutal sport, so.
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All right, well, there was a lot, a lot, a lot of good, especially early.
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Where do you wanna go first?
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Because that first half, man, we were kinda cooking and firing on
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maybe some old flurry cylinders.
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Adam: Yeah.
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So I think you have to start offensively, right?
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And one of the things that, y- when we talked with Bryce Coots on the-
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Yeah … Hawk Side just yesterday-
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Clinton: Great conversation
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Adam: talking about the idea of, like, people wanting to see the
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offense come out and click and do a little bit better there, and holy
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smoly, like, you get a touchdown drive right out of the gate.
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Mm-hmm.
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Arroyo makes a couple nice, big plays in, in that drive.
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Now, the touchdown was a complete coverage bust, so, like, okay.
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you know, the preseason, but- Yeah … look, that's a touchdown drive with your
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twos going up against the Titans ones.
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Clinton: Yes.
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Adam: And it was crisp, and I thought Drew Lock had, a better game
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tonight than he did in week one of the preseason, and that was pretty cool.
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And then I'm sure we gotta get to- Jarkadia Wright
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here at some point as well.
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Clinton: Yeah, I think so.
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And we got, we got Brandan here dialing in from the airport saying that he says third
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biggest story was R2s against the Titans ones, and Brandan has of course dialed in.
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yeah, man, look, Robert Saleh's, defense looked bad,
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and we are pushing them around.
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So before we get to celebrate maybe a little Jark- Jarkadia Wright,
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and give him a little bit of flowers, I mean, look, he ran- Yeah
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through a nice hole, I would like to put the, the emphasis on the run blocking in
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that particular play, because it wasn't…
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It was like three or four people had to do their job really,
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really well against dudes like Simmons right in the middle there.
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So I'll go to my guy, I mean, on the pull there, UConn, my
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UConn boy, Christian Haynes.
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Yeah.
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This is the second week in a row, Adam, where I was like, okay, I think
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Christian Haynes is solidifying himself as like, okay, as a legit backup guard
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right now, right behind Bradford.
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I think he played pretty good, dude.
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What did you see?
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Adam: Yeah, overall I think he had a, a decent game, and the
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block on the touchdown run where he pulls and gets out there was- Yeah
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a fantastic block.
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You know, he had some down moments as well, and I think this is
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something that we're gonna have to talk about in regards- Mm-hmm … to
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a number of performances tonight.
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There's some bad and there's some good, right?
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And that doesn't mean it was all dog water, and it doesn't
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mean it was all awesome.
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But at the end of the day, Christian Haynes has the nice
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block there on the touchdown run.
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Two plays before, he gets absolutely smoked by Simmons.
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Mm-hmm.
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and just, you know at that point, you're like, "Look, I really hope that
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we don't have to play Christian Haynes against elite D tackles on the regular."
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that could get problematic.
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So, yeah, I think at this point, especially with Richmond going down early
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in the game- Right … I, that looked…
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He jogged off, it looked like he might be okay.
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but I think Christian Haynes may have s- solidified
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a spot as the number two guard.
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Clinton: Which is pretty crazy considering where we thought maybe
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he, you know, may- maybe like just battling for a roster spot.
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I agree, and I think Cabledo got in early because Richmond went out.
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I think it was Cabledo who actually seals Simmons on that long run.
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I think it was.
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If someone wants to check in chat- Yeah … you can let us know, but I think it was
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77, which is, which I think is Cabledo.
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Yeah.
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Adam:
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Clinton: but then Cabledo was also playing late into the fourth
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quarter also, so he was- Right
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I think he was out there because of the, the ding to Richmond, but
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that's, that's the way it goes.
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But also, you know, okay, that's the payoff play.
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What did you see from Fleury's offense?
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I saw a couple things right out of the gate that I really liked,
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I would say philosophy-wise.
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Okay … during the first couple of plays.
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Well, it was simply like Brady Russell with a head of steam,
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you know, under center with a fullback kind of o- offset, and
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your, you're running back deep, and then- playing off of that, right?
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So that right, right out of the gate.
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And then they, then they change it up and they get in the shotgun
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and do some things from there.
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But I thought just philosophically and watching how Fleury scripted the opening
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10 or 12 plays or so looked really good to me, especially when you consider it's
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R2s going against Titan- Titans' 1s.
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Anything else, any wrinkles from Fleury or just, just, you know, ways in which he
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got, got the game going that excited you?
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Adam: Yeah.
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I mean, some of the multiple motions that, you see them go with, and
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like we've seen Brady Russell go in motion and then they check a receiver
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in or out or something like that.
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That was kinda fun.
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Mm.
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I think the number one thing that I kinda took away from it was just how
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many condensed formations that- Yeah
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we ran.
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It was almost all of that, right?
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And-
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Clinton: Even out of shotgun, though.
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Like- Mm-hmm … it was still, like, condensed around the line, for sure.
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So that, that's a great point.
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Adam: Yeah.
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So, you know, you kinda get that feel of the bully ball style of
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offense that I think Coach Mike wants to run, and the type of offense
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that I would love to see them run.
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But good sequencing from, Fleury in the first drive and the scripted plays.
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And now that's two games in a row where I feel like the scripted
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plays looked really, really good.
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And honestly, af- outside of that, I think he improved this game
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compared to week one as a play caller because the offense continued.
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The, obviously they scored the touchdown, they put Myers in position
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for another field goal at one point, and I, I thought they moved the ball
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pretty effectively throughout the first half and I, I think that's a great,
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great step to see out of Brian Fleury.
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Clinton: Yeah, and I think, what was it, 16-9 at the half, I wanna say.
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Yeah, 16 to nine at the half, but that was with a m- a missed PAT, a missed
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field goal, and the Cody White fumble which gave them three points, right?
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So- Right … right there, a seven-point swing.
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This should've been a, in a, I think in a typical Seahawks game, what
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starts in a couple of weeks, I think this game would've been over by halftime.
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You know, they would've been shut the door.
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But, again, we talked about Myers early.
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Just can't, you can't leave those kind of points on the board.
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but of course, Wright has that big touchdown.
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We actually get pushback with that longer PAT, make it like a
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40-something yarder to, for an extra point, but he pushed it right.
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All right, so but either way, the first half was still really good, holding
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the Titans to only three, you know, only three f- field goals,
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which is really not all that bad.
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There were some…
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Anything else about the, the offense first half, particular players?
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It…
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The stat lines aren't, like, outstanding.
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There wasn't even like a, a Foster this time to look at and be like, "Oh
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God, yeah, five or six receptions."
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It was really more spread out.
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and besides the big play from Wright- I'm not su- I don't have much
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else to, to g- grab on in saying this offensive player stood out versus another.
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Do you?
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Adam: No, not really.
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I mean, it felt like kind of a steady performance in the first half, and
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then when we got to the second half, things got, less steady,
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le- if we're gonna put it nicely.
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Yes.
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look, eh, in the first half, it, that was all positive stuff.
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That's all the stuff that we wanted to see from the offense in…
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That's without even the starters playing, and I think that's a massive positive.
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But then we get to the second half, and it's like, oh my stars, the, the
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back end of the roster receivers, if you're relying on them, on
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the regular, we're in big trouble.
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Clinton: Yeah, we're not.
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Yeah.
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We're not, we're not, and we're not going to.
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Yeah.
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But they were, they were, bad.
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They were GR double, G-R-O-double S gross, I think is how you say it.
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They weren't good.
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But, I'd like to flip back, if it's okay by you.
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In the first half, there were a couple of players I thought, defensively
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that, that really jumped out to me.
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One that I'll start with is I think Brandon Peely really had a nice game.
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Oh, interesting.
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Okay.
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I thought Peely was super disruptive.
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He's just…
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I thought he was, like, in the backfield quite a bit, just,
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just really blowing things up.
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I had, a couple of different scenarios.
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There was one in, like, five minutes to go in, in the, in
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quarter one, second down play.
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It becomes like a two-yard run, but it's a two-yard run because Peely outright
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beats, you know, wins, wins his spot, and there's a, a clean linebacker to come in.
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Might've been Paul.
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I thought Paul played really, really well.
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I thought he, I th- his- Yeah, he, he had a couple plays … his best
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game so far, I think, as well.
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and let me see.
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I had a couple more.
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Oh, you know what I got?
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I, so one more who I thought played- I think he had a, a near sack
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in the first half, and then he, I think he gets a sack, maybe it
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was, like, early third qu- quarter.
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Thought Jamie Sherriff played a really good game of football, man.
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So he's wearing number 50 out there.
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He had a bull rush, s- early, early second quarter, where he
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just walks, dog-walks this guy back into the, into s- I think Cam Ward
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was still in, into Cam Ward's lap.
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Doesn't get the sack, but he disrupts the entire play.
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At the, I think it was early third quarter, Adam, he does get the sack,
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but again, he just dog-walks a tackle directly back, and at that point it
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might have been Levis' lap or Trubisky.
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Boy, they have a lot of quarterbacks, flying around Tennessee, Adam.
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But, Sherriff stood out to me, and you saw other dudes like Gaines get
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in later, and other dudes getting in later, but I thought Jamie Sherriff
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made a really good, showing for himself that, off the edge…
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This wasn't speed either.
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This was pure I'm running through your face- Yeah … and still
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getting to the quarterback.
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I was encouraged by what I saw from Sherriff.
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Adam: Yeah.
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I, I think that he had a couple of really nice reps, getting some penetration,
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and actually, you know, screwing up the play a little bit there for the Titans.
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Another, if we're gonna stick kinda to, some of the defensive line
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stuff, you know, Connor O'Toole has a sack- Yeah … and a nice TFL,
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in the game as well, and I thought he flashed and, and showed some stuff.
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I also felt like, number 70, Singleton, at the defensive tackle
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spot, he, he made some- Yes, good pick off
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some nice plays, and, you know, he got pushed around a little
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bit in the run game at times.
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But also had some, some nice plays, and, getting in the backfield, and,
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and really stretching some things out.
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yeah, I thought that was, that was pretty encouraging.
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to kinda shift focus to maybe the back end of the defense, we talk about
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corner three all the time- Mm-hmm
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and what we're gonna be doing there.
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There was some moments that I, I felt like Dansby had a couple nice
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plays, Fuller had a couple nice plays- Yeah … then a bad one.
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Like, there, there was some up and down there from those guys, but some flashes
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that maybe we hadn't seen before.
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Clinton: Yeah, we got, WaterBearer79 saying, "Pritchett
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looked pretty good to me."
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So Nehemiah Pritchett had a very nice play, a little bit
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later- Mm-hmm … on that scri- the bubble, on the bubble, right?
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Where he just, he- Yep … just bursts it, he goes right through the wide receiver,
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says, "No, you know, not today, Satan," and he just makes a, a really nice
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tackle right at the line of scrimmage.
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but I saw the same from Dansby.
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You mentioned Dansby.
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Adam: Mm-hmm.
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Clinton: I like Dansby around the line of scrimmage.
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I have not, personally, I have not seen enough.
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This is not like, "Oh, I haven't seen it, therefore it's bad."
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This is literally I haven't seen enough volume of him in coverage.
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But the things, for me, one of the things with the Mike Macdonald defense
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is if you're a cornerback, you need to be able to stick your hat in there and
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tackle well around the line of scrimmage.
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So for me, this was the second time I saw Dansby really make a, a plus plus play.
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One was, last week, and there was one this week as well.
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So it's like, okay, so it's there, it's on tape, and he, and he's a good…
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He brings his hat.
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The other one you mentioned was Singleton, right?
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Singleton, to me, had two splash plays that were both really, really good.
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The, there was one where he beats the edge and he, and whoever it was, and
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he strings the play out to the side.
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And then it's Hook, who might get a chance now at safety, you know, who, and
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he comes flying off the screen, brings his hat, and he makes a really nice
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tackle, so it was a nice combination play.
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But it's kind of cool to, like, look at these guys that are
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gonna be bubbly/ready squad.
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And while the second half of the game was choppy at best and the-
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Yeah … interior line got bowled over, it was ugly again for certain
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dudes on the in- on the interior line, there were these bright moments
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from a guy like, Singleton, who I think was rocking number 70 out there.
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Yeah.
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If folks are like, "Who are we talking about?"
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I think he's number 70.
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Adam: Yep, you're correct.
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Number 70.
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and I think you're also correct with your assessment of, like, the overall
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defensive line play in the second half.
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the threes and the fours, like, they're, they were concerning.
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And the good news is, is that, you know, we're not gonna
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remember any of this by week five.
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Hmm.
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And, it'll all be gone, and that's fine.
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but- The competition for quarterback three was, is gonna be interesting.
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I also thought, you know, we talk about safety position stuff, I
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thought De'Anthony Bell had a, a handful of nice plays in this game
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as well, and, showed out nicely.
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So you know, some flashes, and that's kinda what you're looking
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for in preseason games, right?
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Like, the idea of picking out a lot about Fleury's scheme or, you
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know, seeing some cohesion out of the threes and the fours in the, in
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the second half of a preseason game, like it's just not gonna happen.
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I mean, that- Yeah … that looked like a preseason game, all the penalties,
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the, the- Yeah … choppiness of it.
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Clinton: It got
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Adam: ugly.
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and so yeah, like Bell, Dansby, Singleton, Otoole, those are the
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guys defensively that kinda stood out.
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I'd be interesting, interested to hear your take on, Montorie Foster Jr.
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in this game, Clinton, 'cause we've got a little back and forth,
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in the comments here regarding- Yeah … Foster's performance.
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So, where, where did you, what did you take from that?
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Clinton: Yeah, I th- you know, I think there was, well, the, the outs or
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the, the re- the reason Br- Brandan was out on Foster as we're seeing
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on screen, w- well, I think the, one of the reasons was he had, he had
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another false start penalty, right?
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So those are- Yeah
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absolute no-nos.
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You just can't do them.
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Drive killers in certain ways, and certainly momentum stoppers.
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but the other stuff I thought was, it was, I think Foster…
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Well, let's see, looking at the stats real quick.
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What did Foster end up doing?
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Foster, okay, he had the, yeah, he had one catch, but for 24 yards.
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So he did have a- Mm-hmm
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you know, kind of- Yeah … one big splash play.
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I don't, he had, he had three targets, so he only, only hauls
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in one, but again, the ball was really spread around quite a bit.
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So I don't know.
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I keep seeing enough from Foster that I think he's got a legit
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shot of making this roster.
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Cody White did not have a good day.
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Now I think- No … I think Cody White is locked into this roster, I think.
18:48
I think.
18:49
Adam: Yeah?
18:49
Clinton: But he had a shot to go up and get, get a 50/50 ball from
18:52
Milroe down the right-hand side.
18:54
Doesn't come down with that.
18:56
and then of course he has a really, really bad muff on that
18:59
punt and they turn the ball over.
19:01
So Cody White was, just a little off today.
19:05
He had one- Yeah … reception, eight yards on two targets, and, and
19:09
that really bad, that really bad miss.
19:11
But, you know, Ricky White had a nice little day.
19:14
He had the two receptions for 22, but he also had a big play called back
19:19
that- Mm … they called hi- him, I think, on, OPI, where he gets-
19:22
Yeah … he gets the arm extended and they call it, the arm's extended.
19:27
Sometimes they're gonna see that and call that.
19:29
But I don't mind it, you know.
19:30
I think he, he got the separation and, and he gets, downfield real quick.
19:33
Mm-hmm.
19:33
So
19:34
Adam: he- Yeah, and Milroe hit him with a great ball.
19:35
Clinton: Yeah, yes he did.
19:36
He did.
19:37
didn't, ends up not counting, but, but that was right on time.
19:40
So, so that was another one for me that I thought that, I thought White
19:44
played pretty well or at least got himself back into this, this kind of race.
19:50
Adam: Yeah.
19:50
'cause we hadn't been talking about Ricky White much, and,-
19:54
Yeah … it, it was nice to see him go out and have a few opportunities.
19:57
To kinda go back to Foster a little bit- Mm-hmm … he had the one big
20:01
24-yard, catch on the in breaker that, again, Milroe put right on the money.
20:07
It was a perfect throw.
20:08
that was really cool to see.
20:10
he also had the opportunity for the touchdown, in the first
20:15
half, and Locke just overthrew him, but just, just- Yeah … that much.
20:19
Clinton: Yeah, that's right.
20:20
Oh, that…
20:21
I forgot about that play.
20:21
So that was, that was a great all-out dive, and, you know, it's…
20:25
the ball moves a little bit, and that's gonna be enough, obviously.
20:27
So he- but that was a good effort, and it was-
20:30
Adam: Great effort
20:30
… Clinton: yeah, really r- yeah, fantastic effort, right?
20:33
And you're right.
20:33
Locke, it just- he's open.
20:36
Like-
20:36
Adam: Yeah
20:36
… Clinton: Foster did his job all the way through, then lays out, just can't make
20:41
a diving play as he hits the ground.
20:43
What are you gonna do?
20:44
But if Locke has a little more loft on that or it's a half a yard less deep,
20:50
he's catching that in stride for six.
20:52
So- Yeah … really glad you brought that back up, 'cause I
20:54
momentarily forgot about that.
20:56
But his stat line would shift dramatically, and he'd be the kinda
21:00
the talk of the town again about catching another, another touchdown.
21:04
so it's a little bit of, of a miss, but you know that when Fleury
21:08
and Mike and the team go back and watch that, they're gonna lo- watch the
21:11
process and be like, he once again got open, which is what we talked about.
21:16
Like, this dude routinely gets open.
21:19
He has some mental stuff- Yeah … that we saw on Hard Knocks, Adam, but for
21:23
my money It's really hard to cut a dude in the NFL, especially a wide
21:27
receiver, when they consistently get separation, and he's doing that
21:32
Adam: Here's the problem, though.
21:33
It's easy to cut a wide receiver in the NFL when you continue
21:36
to compound boneheaded plays.
21:38
Mm-hmm.
21:38
Like mental errors.
21:39
That's the type of stuff that drives coaches absolutely insane.
21:44
Clinton: True.
21:44
Adam: Right?
21:45
Like, to get a false start as a wide receiver is maybe the most ex-
21:51
inexcusable, false start of any of the players that are on offense.
21:56
Like, all you have to do is look in, and when the ball's snapped, go run.
22:02
Like, you can't…
22:03
Y- y- you- there's no way you should be listening to the snap
22:06
count or anything like that, and if you are, you're doing it wrong.
22:09
so yeah, that's gonna be something.
22:12
The inconsistency, the volatility of Foster's play is gonna be a difficult
22:18
thing for y- John Schneider and Mike Macdonald to evaluate at the end of
22:22
the day and, you know, decide if that's somebody that they wanna keep
22:26
around based on the upside, or if they can't deal with the nonsense
22:30
like Clinton's, no-sleeve shirt.
22:33
Clinton: I got Noof Guy calling me out.
22:34
He's considering dress code on YouTube live.
22:36
so you might have missed the, the beginning there, Noof.
22:39
I'm on the East Coast.
22:40
My wife is sleeping.
22:41
I was watching the game downstairs.
22:42
There's no, there's no shirts down here, so this is what it is.
22:45
So the Sea- it's, I made the joke, Seahawks play in a half,
22:47
I'm wearing a half shirt.
22:48
I appreciate it.
22:49
And we got Brian saying, "Hey, is that the rule for hosts or viewers?"
22:53
For you, whatever y'all wanna do at home, but then I like this too.
22:55
I'm out.
22:57
Then, then Brandan's saying, "Just no nips.
22:59
Just no nips, Noof Guys."
23:00
No nips.
23:00
So going with the, the Janet Jackson rule here, so no nips.
23:04
but I hope…
23:04
I'm, I'm happy to take a, a ribbing over this, this,
23:08
poor, poor man's Pat McAfee look that I got going on here, so.
23:11
all right.
23:13
So first half good, second half terrible.
23:16
Really, really bad.
23:17
But let's see, there's, we talked about Milroe already.
23:20
There were some other dudes I thought in the second half that, that still
23:23
played pretty well or had, had a couple…
23:26
Actually, we went through them.
23:27
We went through Singleton, we went through Dansby.
23:28
We talked about Hook already.
23:30
Adam: Yeah.
23:30
Clinton: We did not talk about Milroe's performance.
23:33
I think- Mm-hmm … I think we should talk about Milroe, because again, the pendulum
23:37
or the, reactions are, are wide.
23:41
E- even in our chat here, we got some people saying, "I think- Yeah
23:43
he played pretty well," and I got some pe- and some people are like,
23:46
"Hey, trade this dude already."
23:47
which is odd, because he's, you know, he's a second-year guy.
23:52
So Adam, what did you see from Milroe?
23:54
two interceptions are not good of course, but, but there was stuff
23:57
also beyond those interceptions.
24:00
Adam: Right.
24:00
Well, let's start with the interceptions and be honest about
24:03
the, the play on the field when it came to those two interceptions.
24:06
The first interception, inexcusable.
24:09
You can't just- Yeah … not see that dude, you know?
24:13
Like, it- you really, really can't.
24:15
And that was an awful pick.
24:18
God awful.
24:18
Like, double minus if you're grading it, right?
24:21
Clinton: Yeah.
24:21
And he's, and he looks like he's trying to stare that, that particular
24:24
line- I think it was a linebacker who dropped back, or safety, whatever.
24:28
But it looks like he's trying to stare that guy off.
24:30
Like, it like, he's is right there.
24:32
So it wasn't, you know, it wasn't like a nose tackle dropping back, you know,
24:36
with a, with a misdirection or if it got, you know, like a multiply-
24:40
Adam: You know, just a basic zone drop from
24:41
Clinton: a linebacker.
24:41
Yeah.
24:42
Yeah, very much.
24:42
Mm-hmm.
24:43
Right?
24:43
Just like a little drop back and, and he's sitting in that zone, and Milroe's,
24:48
you know, staring down that section.
24:50
So do you think he didn't see him, or do you think it was a little bit of hubris?
24:53
I could, I could fit that in there.
24:55
What do you think, Adam?
24:57
Adam: If I had to guess, it's that he didn't see them, see the guy.
25:01
Because when they flashed to him on the sideline right after that, like, he
25:04
looks at the tablet and then just kinda immediately is just like, "Oh my gosh."
25:08
You know, like how…
25:09
Like, so that's my guess.
25:10
I don't know for sure.
25:11
I know that the announcers tried to make it sound like he was trying to
25:14
hold that linebacker with his eyes.
25:16
Clinton: Yeah,
25:16
Adam: that's what they said.
25:17
That's not what I saw- Yeah … on the, on the game tape.
25:19
Maybe when we go back and break down the all-22 it'll look a little different.
25:23
But, yeah, that's a, that's a, that's a terrible, terrible pick.
25:27
it turns out young quarterbacks throw terrible, terrible
25:30
picks, every now and then.
25:32
Yep.
25:33
It happens.
25:33
Clinton: Yep, even Peyton- … Manning, threw a bunch
25:35
of them his rookie season from what, from what I remember, so.
25:37
Adam: Right.
25:38
Right.
25:38
So then we get to the second pick, on the boot, and,
25:43
yeah, he, he misses it on the run.
25:45
That's a much more difficult throw, but you are going to your right.
25:48
And he, he just puts it about a foot too far behind.
25:52
Mm-hmm.
25:52
Should Henderson keep his feet and be able to, at the very least, knock that down?
25:57
Yeah.
25:58
He did him zero favors by stretching his one leg way out and just slipping.
26:03
but a poor throw.
26:05
That was his most inaccurate throw, of the entire
26:08
preseason- Yeah … to this point.
26:10
and so when you look at Milroe's performance, those are the two
26:14
things people are gonna focus on.
26:16
And if you hear a lot of people out there telling you that that was a dog water
26:21
performance, that he took a thousand steps back, that, as Brandan put it in
26:25
our group chat, that Jalen Milroe just woof, well, then you're just wrong.
26:32
You're just wrong.
26:32
Because we mentioned closer to the earlier part of the podcast here, like,
26:37
there was a number of really good throws that he made, and good decisions where
26:41
he actually had some clean pockets and threw some really nice footballs.
26:45
Like, again, that in breaker to Foster Jr.,
26:48
that's a great throw.
26:50
That's a great throw.
26:51
And he had a handful of those throughout the game.
26:54
I think, I think, you know, you talked about one on a comeback on
26:57
the right-hand side that, it, it, it hits you a certain kind of way.
27:01
Clinton: Yeah.
27:02
Well, just he…
27:02
I think he kind of just missed them and kind of d- he dirtied one a little bit.
27:05
I mean, you, you miss, if you miss low where a guy's covered, that's
27:09
not a bad place to miss, right?
27:10
That's where
27:10
Adam: you put that ball.
27:11
Clinton: Right.
27:11
It's- Yeah … it's, well, you'd like it to be a couple of feet higher so you
27:14
c- can actually catch it, but look, I didn't think Milroe was very good tonight.
27:17
I think we're gonna disagree on this.
27:18
I, and I'm not saying you think he was good tonight.
27:20
I,
27:20
Adam: I don't know that we are disagreeing.
27:22
Clinton: Like- I think he was, I think he was okay, and he got zero help again.
27:26
There we go.
27:27
And he got zero help again is the big thing, too, because
27:30
every, oh, stat line changes around, the drives change around.
27:34
That ro- that Rochelle drop, that's a beautiful, that's a- Yeah
27:37
a, a planned boot to the left-hand side.
27:40
Beautiful play, nice concept, using what Milroe does very well.
27:44
So nice to see what Fleury understanding, hey, I can get Milroe out of the
27:47
pocket, get him on the move, and if it's not there, then he's in position
27:50
to use the Ferrari and use the legs.
27:52
But guess what?
27:53
On that play, there was a there there, and Milroe put it exactly where it had to be.
27:58
That's a great throw, right?
27:59
So-
27:59
Adam: Yeah
28:00
… Clinton: I could see enough of these, enough of these moments where
28:02
it's like, no, those are good throws.
28:03
I thought the ball to Cody White, we talked about it right before we hopped on.
28:07
Yeah.
28:07
You were a bit more forgiving on Cody than that one.
28:10
I thought, you know, like, hey, you gotta make plays, too.
28:12
You gotta, you gotta make plays- Yeah … for your guy.
28:13
And Cody had kind of like, kind of had the high man position, right?
28:16
Yeah.
28:16
He jumped at the exact right time, and he was about to high point that thing.
28:21
I just don't think he came down with the ball.
28:22
He didn't come down with the ball.
28:23
So I thought it was uneven, and the interceptions are bad, and I thought,
28:29
I thought he was worse than last week.
28:31
and I'm not saying- Okay … like terribly worse or markedly
28:33
worse, but I thought it was…
28:35
And not, it's not a step back because it's not about that.
28:39
But I think overall performance-wise, I thought he was a little cleaner last
28:42
week, and that was disappointing for me.
28:45
Adam: I don't know.
28:46
I, so I, I, I would agree with you.
28:48
This is not a good performance.
28:50
When you have two atrocious picks, it's not gonna be a good performance.
28:54
it wasn't, it wasn't dog [bleep] either.
28:57
there's, again, a lot of good stuff on the tape, and we'll do
29:01
another, film breakdown on that, and, just to kind of show
29:05
people what actually happened there.
29:07
I did see one comment in the chat here talking about how the, when Milroe came
29:13
in, bunch of false starts and holdings- Mm … and all that stuff, right?
29:17
And, I'm not sure if the commenter was, kind of
29:21
trying to pin that on Milroe.
29:24
but and we'll come back to, Brandan's comment
29:28
here on the Cody White part.
29:30
Mm-hmm.
29:30
but, y- look, when you get in with the threes and the fours-
29:35
Yeah … that's what it looks like.
29:37
I, I don't put any of that on Milroe, like, really at all.
29:40
he had the nice, sc- he had a couple nice scrambles.
29:44
He had one long one,- Mm-hmm … you know, picked up a first down.
29:47
I think on the fourth down play where Jonathan Vilma kinda killed him for not
29:52
running, it was like, okay, to where?
29:55
Clinton: Mm.
29:56
Yeah,
29:56
Adam: there wa- Like, there's dude right in front of him.
29:58
Nobody was open downfield.
30:00
Venette broke freely- Yeah, I mean, like- … tried to come back- Yeah … but
30:04
he was already having problems there.
30:06
Like, I don't think the announcers did him any favors, with perception.
30:10
you know, "Oh, he's just a quarterback who's not confident."
30:13
He threw a lot of confident balls tonight.
30:15
it, it, it was, it was an up and down performance, and it's,
30:20
like, maybe just okay minus, like, was his performance tonight.
30:24
Clinton: I think that's-
30:24
Adam: Regarding the…
30:25
Yeah.
30:25
Clinton: No, I, I think that's fair.
30:26
Do you wanna go back to, the, the Cody White play?
30:29
Adam: Yeah, yeah.
30:30
I actually think that that was a smidge underthrown.
30:33
Like, I mean, if we're being real honest about the
30:35
Clinton: performance.
30:35
But I think this one's different, though.
30:37
You're saying the third and five, which was- Yeah … or is
30:39
that the shot down the sideline?
30:40
That's shot
30:40
Adam: down
30:40
Clinton: the sideline.
30:40
Oh, that's the one.
30:41
Okay, yeah, okay.
30:42
Adam: Yeah.
30:42
Clinton: may, again, maybe a little underthrown, but the, the
30:46
DB was right with Cody White, too.
30:48
So it wasn't like- Yeah … oh, if he throws it perfectly.
30:51
It's still not a 50/50, because- No … it was, it was that,
30:54
w- it was covered well, right?
30:56
Which I don't mind.
30:56
Y- it's third and five, you take your shot down the sideline, and
30:59
Cody White is your bigger receiver.
31:01
That's the type of ball he should go up and go get.
31:03
Again, for me, White had a pretty, pretty rough day out there.
31:07
and again, turnovers are gigantic in the NFL.
31:10
So when you throw two picks or you muff a crucial punt- Right … that
31:13
allows the team to get back into it, well, you, you're gonna get, you're
31:16
gonna get talked about a little bit, unfortunately in a negative way.
31:19
Something super positive, though, we got Mark on Zero Hawk with a
31:22
$10 Super Chat saying, "Good to see some depth finally develop.
31:26
Lots of great stuff from those not named Milroe and Myers."
31:30
So obviously, Mark was not into the, Milroe, game.
31:34
We did talk about Myers already, but thank you, Mark.
31:36
We appreciate that a lot.
31:38
Hey, I got some looks like bad news, just kind of floating in here.
31:42
Mm.
31:42
So I think it was Nate, Nate Schutz, who is very fun to
31:46
hang out with on our Discord.
31:47
Everybody here should get involved in our Discord.
31:48
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31:49
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31:52
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31:54
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31:55
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31:56
But Nate, burying the lead here, says, "Damn, just heard they think
31:59
Mason Richmond's injury is severe."
32:01
So, if there's more about that, put it in, put it in the, comments.
32:06
please let us know what's up so we can kind of rep- you know, maybe give, if
32:09
there's a report or someone's tweeting it out, or Mike Macdonald said something, we
32:13
wanna be as accurate as we can, especially with a young man's future like that.
32:16
Nate, that's, stinks for all of us.
32:19
that was a dude- Hope it's not
32:21
Adam: true, but
32:21
Clinton: I think- I'll, yeah, hope, hope it's just
32:23
not, you know, not, not true.
32:25
But that was, he was, he's locked in at, he was locked in, basically, it looked
32:29
like, as our, as our backup left guard.
32:32
So if, if we lost him also, and we lost what was gonna be our backup
32:37
safety, man, we're taking some, we're taking some hits.
32:42
And- Mm … and last season was, we had injury, we had injuries,
32:46
but they tended to be like, "Okay, he'll be out a couple of weeks.
32:48
All right, he'll be, it's a two-week thing.
32:50
Even it's a six-week thing.
32:52
Cool, he'll be back."
32:54
This year so far, Adam, it's like we're hitting some, some guys that are, they're,
32:57
they're done for the year with Bobo.
32:59
Right.
32:59
It looks like, looks like Bud Clark.
33:01
I'm sh- unfortunately- Yeah … sure that news is gonna be bad on him too.
33:04
Adam: Yeah, no, for sure.
33:06
I guess in comparison to some of the other teams around the league, I mean, at
33:10
least it is, hasn't been too, knock on wood, key starters, to this point.
33:14
Yeah,
33:15
Clinton: yeah.
33:15
Adam: Right?
33:15
Clinton: Yeah.
33:16
Adam: so, there is that.
33:18
And look, I mean, it's a game of attrition, and these
33:21
things are going to happen.
33:23
and the good news is, is that they practice at the VMAC and not next to
33:29
a substation, so I don't think that this is gonna be a continuing trend.
33:33
But, yeah, a bummer for Richmond, bummer for Bud Clark, no doubt.
33:38
Clinton: Yeah, we got Car Car Carly Perkins asking a great,
33:41
great question out there for folks that, you know, might not know.
33:43
She's asking, "Was Richmond predicted to make this roster?"
33:45
I think, Car Car, the answer is yeah.
33:47
I think he was, he was looking like the very likely backup
33:51
left- Mm-hmm … left guard.
33:52
He was winning that battle, and that was all the buzz, and that it was,
33:56
you know, Cable dude was sliding backwards, and others were, were…
33:59
And Richmond was kinda lapping the field when it came to backup left
34:03
guard, which at that point, you know, you're, you're pretty obviously,
34:07
you're very close to getting out there for, w- with the ones.
34:10
hopefully no more injuries, knock on, knock on all the wood for that.
34:14
All right, so anything else you see in chat, Adam, or
34:16
areas that we did not canvas?
34:18
again, overall the stuff that matters most, we talked about Jason Myers,
34:24
certainly has gotta get, get right.
34:25
Yeah.
34:26
But beyond, but beyond that, us, the Seahawks played really good football
34:31
when we had our, our top players out there, second-string guys, and
34:36
it was against Tennessee's ones at- Yeah … the beginning of that game.
34:40
And we were the, the most crisp.
34:42
Lock looked good, and we looked like a, a well-oiled machine on both
34:46
sides of the ball- Yeah … when, when the twos were out there.
34:50
So- I think that's a big improvement from last week as well.
34:54
And again, I think that first half was a lot more like what we're gonna see
34:58
of, of regular, if you will, Seahawks football when the real lights go on.
35:02
Adam: And it does give you some confidence offensively just in terms
35:05
of seeing it work and being like, "Okay, this is, this is similar to the
35:09
scheme that we're, all comfortable with from last year," no doubt.
35:13
oh boy, here we go.
35:15
Yeah.
35:15
yeah, Mark here has in the comments, "It is confirmed by
35:19
ESPN head coach, Mike Macdonald confirmed it's a major longterm injury.
35:24
expected to sideline Richmond for multiple months."
35:27
also Brandan- Sounds like it … on the plane seems to have, gotten the
35:31
same information, so, so that stinks.
35:33
But- Yeah … yeah, offensively, I think that was a, a positive
35:38
performance in the, in the first half, and Drew Lock looked pretty darn good.
35:42
I mean, there was a g- a couple things you could get nitpicky about,
35:44
but he looked pretty darn good.
35:46
And I think that we didn't really talk enough about Wright's
35:49
performance in this game, because-
35:51
Clinton: Okay, let's talk about that,
35:52
Adam: yeah … I thought he was pretty dang good as a, as a whole.
35:54
Now, that's two preseasons in a row where he's flashed, and that gives me
35:59
a little more confidence going into the season knowing that Charbonnet
36:03
is not gonna be back for a while.
36:04
And, we've yet to see Price, as fans, like, do anything on TV.
36:10
So- Yeah … we're still projecting that.
36:12
Clinton: So I've got a very different take on this.
36:14
so the, this is Ja- Ja- Ja- Ja- Jacardier Wright side.
36:19
Yeah, I'm, I'm
36:20
Adam: not
36:20
Clinton: even gonna- It's, it's, I always wanna put an R
36:22
at the beginning, but it's J- Jacardier Wright, so I apologize.
36:24
Adam: Jacardier.
36:25
Clinton: Yeah, Jacardier, which is a really kinda cool name.
36:28
So h- he goes eight carries for 81.
36:30
He, you know, that's a great average.
36:31
10, the one touchdown, but the long was, it was a 69-yard run.
36:35
I, I, like, I know there's some people that love Wright in
36:39
our Discord, and that's cool.
36:41
I don't see m- I don't see a lot from, from him.
36:44
I just don't.
36:44
I don't, I think he's at the, at…
36:46
He doesn't, to me, doesn't have, like, crazy elusiveness.
36:49
And look, he hit a hole that was there that, a running back should go hit.
36:52
Yeah.
36:54
He had enough breakaway speed to, to take that to the house.
36:58
Fine.
36:59
I can't blame a guy.
37:00
It- it's a 69-yard touchdown, so I'm not g- I'm not gonna dog the guy.
37:03
I don't think he's all that, that special a back.
37:07
I think that Velus Jones has s- has more special qualities in terms of burst.
37:12
And then of course we have not s- Emmanuel Wilson can't find the field,
37:15
and we're a couple of weeks out from kickoff- Mm-hmm … and he's been injured.
37:19
and you know, Holani we think is good, you know, good
37:23
to, and can pop a bit- He's okay
37:25
but good.
37:26
Yeah.
37:26
I, I think he's a good back with some upside, but not, not great.
37:30
And then you say we haven't, we haven't seen Price one bit yet.
37:33
It is interesting that they put Price really in bubble wrap and, and- Yeah
37:37
… the report was, for those that didn't see it, like, hey, the coaches have seen
37:42
enough, and enough in a positive way, like the explosiveness, the vision, it
37:46
all being there, the contact balance.
37:49
They saw enough this week with the, with the shared practice with
37:53
the Titans that they were like, "We do not need to risk him out there."
37:57
So if you wanna say more about Wright, of course, go ahead.
38:00
But I'm interested in your take on, the coaches putting Rice,
38:04
Price in bubble wrap too.
38:06
Adam: Yeah, I mean, of course we're gonna trust Coach Mike.
38:09
I, I mean, at this point it, it's hard to, you know, cast much doubt on a lot
38:14
of his decisions because of, the job he's done since he's gotten to Seattle.
38:19
it- what I was saying, like it's projection for us.
38:22
Like I was speaking more for us fans.
38:24
Like we, we just haven't seen him, like unless you went to training camp.
38:27
And, so we're…
38:29
I, I loved his film in college.
38:31
I, I think he's gonna be good.
38:33
I'm excited about it.
38:35
but it is disappointing to me to not see him on a personal
38:39
level, but you know what?
38:40
The Seahawks don't need to make me happy with who they play in the preseason.
38:44
Right.
38:44
Like that's not what they're trying to, trying to get done.
38:47
I do have a question for you.
38:48
Yeah, I mean, you talked about Holani and, and, and Wilson and then Wright.
38:53
Let, let's compare Holani and Wright a little bit.
38:56
Like which one of those two is more explosive to you?
39:00
Clinton: I think Holani's still a, little more…
39:01
I think, I think Wright is- Explosive?
39:03
I think, I think so.
39:04
I think, yeah, I've seen enough, and I think he's a better pass
39:06
catcher, and I think he's…
39:07
I mean, I also saw, I s- also saw Wright have a bad miss today on
39:11
a, on a, a, a blocking assignment.
39:14
Bad, bad miss.
39:14
Okay,
39:14
Adam: cool.
39:15
I, that's not what I was asking about.
39:16
I was asking
39:16
Clinton: about explosiveness.
39:17
Well, those
39:17
Adam: things also…
39:18
Clinton: I- Yeah … I don't think Wright is that explosive.
39:20
I just don't see him as like, "Oh my gosh, he's making people miss that, that should,
39:24
that should be tackling him," and, and he's ex- and b- being super explosive.
39:29
Even the touchdown run, it's a nice run, but to me it wasn't like, "Oh my gosh,
39:33
look how he got through that hole."
39:34
It's not like you're watching Jahmyr Gibbs there.
39:36
So I think it's fairly close on explosiveness, but I think Holani has
39:42
other things he does better to make him a better, better overall back.
39:45
Adam: All right.
39:45
Well, I, I…
39:46
They, we're watching two different players because I, I don't think it's even close.
39:49
Like, I think Wright is much more explosive than Holani.
39:52
Holani is, is okay.
39:54
Like, he's a, he's a fine average NFL running back that will get you the three
40:00
yards if there's three yards there.
40:01
He'll get you- … the five yards if five yards there.
40:03
That's how I feel about Wright.
40:04
And he, it, it, and he'll catch, catch stuff out of the backfield, but he's
40:07
not gonna hit a 60-yard home run.
40:09
Like, that, that's not George Holani.
40:10
Like, it's not the George Holani we've seen anyways, as a Seahawk.
40:15
And then, you know, him in comparison to Velus Jones, like, I, I, I
40:20
have a hard time with the wide receiver turned running back thing.
40:24
have never really seen it work out much.
40:27
And while Jones is probably the fastest of all of them-
40:30
Clinton: Yeah
40:30
… Adam: I don't see the vision, I don't see the instincts.
40:33
he's a guy that bounces it constantly.
40:37
I am not a Velus Jones guy, really at all.
40:39
Clinton: Yeah.
40:40
I, I get it.
40:41
And I, and I'm not a huge lover of the, the wide receiver
40:45
turned running back either.
40:45
I, it's not l- not my favorite thing there.
40:47
So, and look, Wright did, did himself very well tonight, so it's like I, I
40:52
could have my, my viewpoint on him.
40:54
I think he's- Sure … kind of a JAG in, in terms of what a running back is
40:56
in the NFL, but to make this roster, he's been serviceable, he's been good
41:01
when he, when he's gotten chances.
41:03
I g- look, I can't take it away from him.
41:04
When the guy's gotten touches, he has performed, so you know,
41:08
I c- I could eat, eat that crow.
41:10
E-
41:10
Adam: exactly.
41:10
Yeah.
41:11
Clinton: So it's, so, so that's, a- admitting that for sure.
41:13
So I, I still think he probably does make the roster, is
41:16
what a, what a, what I would see.
41:18
and again, we have no idea if Emmanuel Wilson will be ready, and-
41:22
Adam: Yeah, and also too, like, I, I, I feel like I'm in the minority on
41:27
this opinion, but, Emmanuel Wilson and George Holani are basically the same dude
41:33
Clinton: I think Emmanuel- Like, like
41:34
Adam: to me
41:34
Clinton: Emmanuel Wilson's, you know, his like yards per carry are
41:38
near elite, and when Jacobs went down and he went in, he was good.
41:44
Like, the Packers got derailed when Craft got hurt, right?
41:47
When the, the, he's, he was, he was the glue.
41:50
He was the engine for that team.
41:51
When he went down, they were just derailed.
41:53
but when Jacobs went down, Wilson did the job.
41:57
He was really quite good.
41:59
So we'll see.
42:00
But you know what?
42:00
You gotta be healthy, and he has not. Yeah.
42:02
He's, he's also not healthy right now.
42:04
So we'll see.
42:05
We'll see if he can get ready, and maybe he gets a few touches
42:07
as we head into Kansas City.
42:09
but I, if I had to predict right now, I think Wright has done enough
42:12
to make this roster, because hey, when he gets his touches, he- he's
42:15
at least productive and good enough.
42:19
Adam: Yeah.
42:19
A- and at least initially, right?
42:22
Until Charbonnet is healthy in-
42:24
Clinton: Yeah
42:24
… Adam: then, yeah, may- maybe then he ends up getting moved down
42:27
to practice squad or something.
42:29
And when I'm, and I'm talking about Wright, like I'm talking about him
42:32
as like running back three, right?
42:34
Like, I'm not saying like, "This guy needs to be a starter.
42:37
We need to put him out there.
42:38
He may even be better than Price."
42:39
Like, I'm not saying nothing like that
42:42
Clinton: Yeah, no, I get it.
42:43
I think he's solidly running back four on this roster currently, or, or five.
42:48
But, we have, Daniel saying, "Put Shaheed back at running back."
42:52
Mm-hmm.
42:52
We did it last year, and I don't- Put JSN
42:55
Adam: in the backfield a couple times too-
42:57
but he was catching passes from there.
42:57
Clinton: Yeah, I mean, Shaheed is an interesting change-up every now and
43:00
again where they'll just be like, "Hey, let's just student body left,
43:04
student body right, get to the edge," c- because he's so darn fast.
43:08
Adam: Mm-hmm.
43:09
Clinton: And he's got good vision.
43:10
You know, Shaheed has, Shaheed has the vision-
43:13
Adam: Mm-hmm
43:13
Clinton: with this team.
43:14
I would…
43:15
I personally actually don't love giving Shaheed running back touches, because
43:19
running backs get beat up in the NFL, and I wanna see Shaheed returning kicks,
43:23
I wanna see Shaheed getting behind safeties deep, and I wanna see Shaheed
43:27
running safeties deep so JSN and others can eat, and Barner can eat all day long
43:33
because Shaheed's presence is really important to what Flurry wants to go do.
43:37
Adam: Yeah.
43:38
I think the other guy, since you brought up Barner, that we
43:40
didn't talk about enough in this game, I, I think it was Arroyo.
43:43
Like, we're, we're starting to see him pop a little bit here and there- Yeah … and
43:47
get integrated in, and I think that's really awesome to see because,
43:52
as you put it, like, with Shaheed and then possibly, you know, Horton being
43:55
back at some point, taking the tops off defenses, having Arroyo working
43:59
underneath there with JSN and Barner and all that, when they, you know they're
44:02
gonna wanna be in some heavier personnel packages, that starts to get exciting.
44:06
Clinton: Yeah, I mean, look, two receptions, 50 yards,
44:09
he gets the big touchdown which was 36 yards on four targets.
44:13
Like you said, it's an absolute blown play, which I'm sure Saleh's gonna be…
44:18
Very interesting, like nobody, no one decided to cover him, but, he puts
44:22
certain stress on, on, linebackers or if he, depending on who- The mismatch
44:27
element is really, obvious, right?
44:32
And, and I think Flurry's gonna take advantage of that, so if we can get
44:35
a bit more Arroyo, it'll be very fun and very intriguing, and, a bit
44:40
of a change-up from last year, too.
44:42
So a team can't just go back and look at last year's stuff and game plan for
44:46
Arroyo being a more sincere part of this offense, 'cause that's not really on tape.
44:51
He really didn't get a lot of chances last year.
44:53
Yeah.
44:53
so let's see.
44:55
NFL's smart.
44:56
I think the NFL evolves really quickly, and again, I, I've been
44:59
on the record, I'm not anti-Arroyo, I'm anti move tight ends in the NFL.
45:04
I just don't think they…
45:05
I think more often than not, there's a lot more hype around the move tight end,
45:10
and there's not a lot of productivity because at the NFL level, the, you're
45:16
seeing more teams g- At least trying to emulate, be like, "Okay, we could play,
45:21
we could play a nickel, but we could play with some, some guys that could really
45:24
travel and hit with these tight ends."
45:27
So, and I think the NFL's going more towards that way, which I think
45:31
is gonna make the move tight ends even a little bit less dep- a little
45:34
bit more depressed than it would be.
45:35
That's just my take on the trends and what's going on.
45:38
With all that being said, look, I was not a huge fan of the pick
45:42
last year, and I'm really warming up to what I see with Arroyo.
45:45
and this is also training camp stuff and the mismatches that I
45:49
think Fleury can create with him.
45:51
Adam: Yeah, for sure.
45:51
It'll be interesting to see as a whole league-wide what happens this year with,
45:55
the tight end position, because after Sean McVay invented 13 personnels,
45:59
we all know- then, you know, I, I think you're gonna see a lot more
46:04
tight end usage, and we'll see if that, sweeps the league in the way that,
46:08
a lot of people seem to think.
46:10
So it'll be interesting.
46:11
Clinton: One more topic I think is fun.
46:12
We got Sean Scotchman saying, "Our fullbacks or fullback were quiet tonight."
46:16
Yeah.
46:16
We saw Lampey late, and Lampey had a hold, which I'm not sure was a hold.
46:20
We didn't get a great angle at it.
46:22
Adam: Yeah
46:22
… Clinton: looked like, I, I, I'm not sure if it was.
46:24
But I thought Brady Russell, look, I was very bummed when we lost Ouzts because I
46:29
think we lost a different type of fullback with a different type of size and explos-
46:34
explosiveness, 'cause he's 275 and he, and he actually jumps out the building.
46:37
He has power that these other guys don't have that are at 250
46:41
who are not quite the athletes.
46:43
But I thought Brady Russell looked good.
46:45
I- and the, he, he early, with the first couple of drives where Fleury was cooking
46:50
his very most, I thought they were using Brady Russell quite effectively.
46:54
So maybe it was quiet, but quiet effective fullback is still effective fullback.
47:00
Adam: Yeah, not a position that, you know, really jumps off the screen
47:04
a lot to, especially casual football fans and, and that sort of thing.
47:08
Look, Brady puts his hat in there and, you know, gives it his best effort when
47:12
he gets in the hole and all that, but he doesn't have the size and he's not gonna
47:17
be able to dig out linebackers and really do the job that way like maybe Ouzts could.
47:23
And that's something you've been talking about for,
47:26
since the Ouzts injury, right?
47:27
Yeah.
47:27
And I, and I do think you're right, especially seeing him, a little
47:31
more with the starters, in the first two preseason games.
47:36
But what Brady Russell does have is a background in the
47:38
tight end room as well, right?
47:40
Mm-hmm.
47:40
And we saw him have a catch in this game and nearly have another,
47:44
you know, as, as Locke was, scrambling around a little bit.
47:47
And I think that if you're gonna use Brady Russell as your starting fullback
47:52
on the regular this season, I think one of the things that you're gonna have to
47:55
lean into a little bit is his ability to g- catch the ball, a little more
47:59
like Ouzts than maybe like having him as like a Lorenzo Neal type- Yeah
48:04
just going down there and just digging out linebackers.
48:06
Clinton: I'd like to see that.
48:07
It'd be, it'd be a cool thing to- to adopt, if we're gonna get more
48:11
of the Shanahan-type stuff with Fleury, some of that stuff
48:14
could be really, really effective.
48:15
The half orbits and things like that, that Juschek started doing, which
48:19
kind of came from the college game and actually got, got over to,- Yeah
48:21
to the West Coast, which we saw Lampe actually do over in, what?
48:24
Northern Illinois.
48:25
all right.
48:26
So- You did.
48:27
Adam: I didn't.
48:27
Clinton: Okay.
48:28
Well, I did watch his highlights, and he does some of that
48:31
Adam: stuff- Yeah … right?
48:31
Clinton: So.
48:31
Okay.
48:31
and all right.
48:32
Look, we're heading into Kansas City, and this is kind of a, a quick turnaround,
48:36
'cause it, I think Kansas City game is, I think, earlier, this week
48:40
than obviously playing on Sunday night this week, with the Titans game.
48:44
what's…
48:45
If you had to say, hey, the, the one pos- p- take Jason
48:48
Myers out of it for a second.
48:49
We wanna see Jason Myers- Okay … put the ball through the, through the
48:51
freaking uprights, and stop with the yips and pushing everything right.
48:54
So let's suspend that for a second.
48:56
Yeah.
48:56
What's the one last battle/main area, like I really wanna focus on this
49:01
as we head into the Chiefs game?
49:04
Adam: Ooh, that's a good question.
49:07
I think, I, because we're not g- I don't think we're gonna see the ones.
49:11
I, I, I really don't.
49:12
Clinton: Mm, yeah.
49:13
I don't
49:13
Adam: know.
49:13
So I, I would like to see Foster put together a clean game.
49:17
I, I think that would be something that would be really cool to see.
49:20
I'd like to see them maybe feature Arroyo a little bit more, get the ball in
49:24
his hands and, and see what happens there.
49:27
Well- I feel pretty good about what we've seen out of some of the,
49:31
the line and stuff to this point.
49:33
is the, the twos anyways.
49:35
Clinton: Yeah.
49:35
Yeah, yeah.
49:36
For sure.
49:36
Yeah.
49:36
The twos on both sides were good tonight.
49:38
You know?
49:38
Yeah.
49:38
They, they were, they were…
49:40
And sometimes dominant, right?
49:41
There was a, a stretch there where the defense was giving them absolutely
49:46
nothing, and again, it was, it was a muff punt that let them back in the game.
49:49
But you mentioned Arroyo.
49:50
I wanna go back to him for a second.
49:52
at this point, w- wouldn't you be okay if Arroyo didn't
49:56
take a snap against Kansas City?
49:58
Like, does he need to?
49:59
And just like let- Yeah, he's the
49:59
Adam: prior, right?
50:00
Clinton: Like let Venette, Saubert, and others do the…
50:03
And I, I don't even want s- I mean, Saubert to me is a very
50:05
good blocking tight end, and I value blocking tight ends.
50:07
Mm-hmm.
50:08
But I mean, can't we just figure other dudes out there, than kind
50:11
of put him in bubble wrap with Barner and say, "Hey, you two guys, y- you
50:15
know, just take your shirt off."
50:17
Not, not- Yeah … like this.
50:18
Take your pads off, you know?
50:19
And, and kind of enjoy, enjoy the game.
50:22
I think I'd rather see that with Arroyo.
50:24
He's p- he's not going anywhere.
50:25
He's gonna be a, a factor this year, so-
50:28
Adam: Yeah
50:28
… Clinton: I'd, I'd rather put him on the shelf.
50:29
You're
50:29
Adam: probably right.
50:30
That's probably the smarter play.
50:31
that makes a lot of sense.
50:33
But when you…
50:33
You kind of framed the question, what was really going through my
50:36
mind, Clinton, is that, by the time I got halfway through the third
50:39
quarter of this game, I was like, "Oh, I forget this happens every year."
50:43
Pre-season Week 1 comes along, I'm so fired up I can barely stand it
50:46
because I've been going through a football, you know, withdrawal
50:49
for the entire off-season.
50:50
Clinton: Yeah.
50:51
Adam: Love pre-season Week 1, like really get into it, all that.
50:54
Then pre-season Week 2 rolls around, you get to watch, you know, some of your upper
50:58
tier players for a couple drives if you're lucky, and then, it devolves into
51:03
pre-season football by the second half.
51:05
And, I didn't wanna watch it.
51:07
Yeah.
51:08
I didn't wanna watch it.
51:09
I wa- I was so over.
51:10
I cannot wait for the regular season.
51:11
So what do I wanna see in KC?
51:13
no more injuries and, like r- moving on to week one.
51:17
We're on to week one.
51:18
Clinton: Yeah.
51:18
We got a couple of good, comments here, too.
51:20
Michael Knight saying, "That's easy," so answering the question I posed
51:23
saying Pl- "Jalen play well," and then backing it up, Sean Scotchman
51:26
says, "Milroe play with the twos."
51:28
So hey- I
51:29
Adam: think that would be interesting
51:30
… Clinton: you know, like, just flip it.
51:31
Let, let Milroe take the first half with the twos and, and see if it's, if
51:35
he could fare, you know, just fare better than he did, than he did tonight.
51:39
I think the thing for me is still watching, I think now Haynes has
51:42
stacked a couple of good weeks in a row.
51:44
Now we lose Richmond, which sucks.
51:46
and just watching, watching the guards.
51:50
Watching them and be like, "Okay, who, who's gonna Even at this point, like, I
51:53
feel like you could, you know, you gotta play some dudes, but you have enough guys
51:57
there where I think Haynes has actually done enough to be like, maybe just…
52:01
We can't lose another.
52:03
We just lost our second string left guard.
52:06
It sucks.
52:06
We don't wanna lose our second string right guard because
52:09
we're getting thin early.
52:11
But, that's the area I'm gonna watch for sure.
52:14
Yeah.
52:14
I really like what I saw from Peely.
52:16
I'd be very happy if they bubble wrap Peely.
52:19
It's like, okay, you won the nose tackle position, I value the nose tackle.
52:24
You, you don't need to play anymore.
52:25
And I'm looking around, I mean, I don't know, Chris Paul played a really
52:28
good game, in my opinion, tonight.
52:30
And I guess the other place is just, again, you mentioned earlier, Fuller
52:34
had a couple of nice, nice breakups.
52:36
Couple of- Mm-hmm … couple of gaffes, but played well.
52:39
Can Dansby still be effective?
52:41
And like, Deanthony Bell is now gonna be squarely battling for a safety
52:46
position with Bud Clark's injury.
52:47
Adam: Yeah.
52:48
Clinton: And, but he's, but they have him out there late in the fourth quarter.
52:51
Late, late, late.
52:52
So it's like, that tells me the coaches are not just handing it over to him, and
52:56
there's still a real, real battle there.
52:58
So, kind of that battle for what the, the Bud Clark vacancy will
53:01
bring, I think will be one of the major storylines of the week, too.
53:06
Adam: Yeah.
53:06
It, it should be interesting, and we'll see how the team adapts.
53:09
If there's one thing I'm s- completely confident in is Coach Mike's ability
53:13
to, figure out who he's gonna wanna use there, and all of that, for sure.
53:17
so a couple people in the comments, you know, in respect to Milroe,
53:21
being like, "Well, maybe a full game of Milroe," and I think that that
53:25
could be something positive as well.
53:27
I still think overall, if you look at his two games here in comparison to last
53:33
year, like, a lot of the comments I see about Milroe, like, "Oh, he looks lost.
53:37
He's slow," like, all this stuff, right?
53:39
Like yeah, that was very true last year.
53:41
I, I, I, I see overall improvement.
53:44
Are we a finished product?
53:46
No.
53:47
No.
53:48
Like, those two picks were fricking terrible.
53:50
Like, they were, those are awful.
53:52
you gotta own those.
53:54
Yeah … but I, I do see some, some growth from Jalen, and it would
53:58
be cool to see him for a full game, and maybe get him with a higher quality
54:03
surrounding cast for at least a quarter
54:06
Clinton: Yeah.
54:07
I think, I think that's, that feels about right.
54:09
And again, we might get a drive or two of Sam and the ones.
54:12
That's, it's possible that they'll go out there and say, "Hey-"
54:15
I
54:15
Clinton: mean- "… go, go take a drive or two."
54:16
I'm, I'm also I'm very okay if we don't.
54:20
I'm totally confident in what the ones have.
54:22
I don't need to see JSN out there.
54:24
I don't need to see Barnard.
54:25
I don't need to see Sam.
54:27
In fact, I would vote not to, because the game means nothing,
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and go get ready for the Patriots.
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Well, that was fun, man.
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We, it's a first half, I'll take everything away from the first
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half and then kind of suspend.
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Second half, while it wasn't great and it was choppy, there were still moments
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that, that brought me some delight and some really nice plays by individuals.
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But the second half was just like, to me, like, you, you
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could, you could dump most of it.
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Adam: Yeah,
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Clinton: bad football.
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Yeah.
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It's, it's bad, bad football.
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But what's not bad is, of course, we had Ryan911 coming in with a 999 Super Chat.
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We had Got Zero Hawk coming in with a $10 Super Chat, and we
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had other folks like Chewy938, who's been a member for 34 months.
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He actually said- Is that awesome?
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Yeah, he came in and said, "Milroe was no good tonight.
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I didn't get to honor this earlier.
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Can we trade him for a DB?
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Hope Bud Clark is okay."
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Oh.
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Bud Clark's not okay, and we're not, we're not trading Milroe, you
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know, not this, not this off season.
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But really good comments, really, really good stuff.
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We had a lot of fun.
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It's- I- it's, I just wanna see…
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I mean, at this point, man, I, I really wanna see Seattle just get
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to the New England game as healthy as they possibly can get there.
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Yep.
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And that's really, frankly, all that matters at this point.
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We can't take more depth pieces.
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And like you said, we didn't lose a queen off the board, we didn't lose a rook off
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the board, but dude, we're losing pawns.
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Yeah.
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And, and, and they matter in the, the full game, the full season.
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And in some cases, maybe we're losing dudes that might have been even
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more pawn, even more important than a, than a pawn if we're, you know,
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continuing the chess analogy here.
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So, let's get, let's get through Kansas City, stay healthy, and just
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watch Fleury continue to find his way with this offense because, again, the,
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besides Myers, the biggest takeaway for me was the beginning of the game,
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I thought Fleury looked, and then the team looked really crisp, and
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that to me is really encouraging.
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Adam: Yeah.
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a- and just with the Myers thing, like, if you're not a Tin Cup fan, none
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of the, my jokes make sense about it.
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But, like- … he's gotta stop thinking about the doctor lady, and like,
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we need to get him out of his head.
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it, why it scares me so much, Clinton, is, the Shanks are like a virus.
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They just come- Mm
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out of nowhere, and you know how weird kickers are mentally.
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So I wanna see him come out, I wanna see the, you know, twos and threes come out,
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and put a spanking on the Chiefs, Myers kick it right down the middle, end the
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preseason with a dub, and be healthy, and go and kick the snot out of the
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Patriots, who seem to think that they're way better than they were last year.
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Clinton: Yeah.
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I could get behind all that, and I think with that-
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Adam: There's only one thing left to say
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Clinton: Go Hawks.
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Adam: Go Hawks.