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HEADLINES: Ring’s Peeping Tom, Tesla’s Name-Change, a DA’s Fictional Law Library, and mRNA’s Flu Shot Fight · Nonsense with cj little and Jeff Parker

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  Would you go to a basketball game that was played between
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  robots? I totally would go absolutely.
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  I would be 100% down for robots that just smack talk to the
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  other team. That would be great.
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  And smack talk to refs after every single time they didn't
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  get the call they wanted. Which by the way, the ref is
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  also a robot. What's wrong with your infrared?
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  Your LIDAR screwed up ref would be the best.
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  So I'm so in for that game. It would be great. 100% that
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  would be great. That can't come fast enough.
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  Why? Don't you drive a Tesla just the
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  whole time then just bragging on it?
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  Optimist you can. We can't see.
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  Missing a good game Robo Rev Wyatt, please, I.
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  Also love that the playing robots just sound like yokels.
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  Apparently gonna update your optics Rev too much of that just
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  non-stop over and over 4. Flash your firmware Idiotry 2.
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  The Apple Company presents a truly terrible podcast.
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  Welcome to Nonsense Season 4, episode 12.
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  I'm Jeff. Parker, I'm CJ Little.
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  This is our take on the week's business, tech and entertainment
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  headlines. This time, move fast and track
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  people. The ruthless ambition of Jamie
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  Simonov. Is this guy like an Austin
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  Powers supervillain? Very much that.
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  We're dealing with here. California DMV forces Tesla to
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  drop Autopilot branding. They should also suggest they
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  drop the safe branding too. Another lawyer busted for using
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  AI for research. Oh.
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  Come on man, it's 2026. Read the output and click on the
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  source links madude. Science strikes back, The FDA
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  ends political blockade of mRNA flu vaccine.
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  So while you might not get the flu, you still might get the 5G.
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  It's a good chance of. That good chance also our big
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  story later this week is about the new space race, why nations
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  are treating AI and compute as critical infrastructure.
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  It's amazing. They're just catching on now.
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  They. Also believe the Internet might
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  change some things. They're really coming right
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  along, aren't they? Exactly.
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  Wow, these interconnected computers, they seem to really
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  be a thing. This could catch on.
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  How's your week going? Speaking of the Internet and my
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  week, yes, I heard somebody earlier this week because there
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  was the Make America Healthy again video with Kid Rock and
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  and RFK Junior and somebody, somebody this week described
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  Epstein's island as Kid Rock and I just can't stop thinking about
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  that. I thought that was.
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  That's really funny, I. Was like that.
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  Oh, that's funny in a very sad, twisted sort of way.
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  So that was the first part of my week.
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  So you see, it started sure took my youngest son to Las Vegas for
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  his birthday because he said daddy 'cause.
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  He turned 21, he said. All I want for my 6th birthday
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  is to learn how to count cards, so that went over well.
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  It turns out if you stack up two kids and put a trench coat on
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  them, the casinos will still take your money.
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  They don't care. They're happy to let them play,
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  I would imagine. They would love to be fooled by.
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  That it was. It was fun.
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  They did the Matt King Comedy show, which is a magician that
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  does some comedy, and it was actually quite enjoyable.
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  My children really didn't care about anything we did other than
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  being in the swimming pool at all hours.
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  Oh sure, which means I have to be in the pool at all hours.
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  And like it's cold in Vegas this time of year at night.
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  You could have gone anywhere but in Vegas and had a.
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  Better time. I whined about it the whole time
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  and they just want to go in the pool like you know what I'm
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  going to just do this. So I did that.
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  I only lost one testicle to frostbite.
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  Oh my. Everything else was fine.
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  There's nothing better than being in a pool as a kid.
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  That's all they want, even to the pool at home.
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  Sure all they want us to be into a pool, but I had a surprise for
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  them yes, which was there is a place in Vegas if you have if
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  you have little kids. I don't if you want some, I'll
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  give some to you. I cannot recommend this place
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  enough. There's a place on the South
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  side of the city called Dig This that lets you rent excavators
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  and earth moving equipment by the hour.
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  Oh, that's fun. And we didn't tell the children.
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  We just took them there. They both got to work.
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  A 1 1/2 ton excavator, which is like this cute little excavator
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  that will dig real holes. Yeah.
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  And I was shocked at how well they adapted instantly.
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  Like, Oh my. Nephew used to love going to see
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  construction equipment at work so.
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  They the the place recommends like, oh, most kids tap out in
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  15 minutes. I was like, no, no, we need to
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  book at least 1/2 an hour. I know my kids.
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  You don't know my kids. Yeah.
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  And my wife was like, yeah, of course we should do that.
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  And I said, well, what are you going to do with the children
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  for the next hour and a half after, after their session?
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  And she said, what do you mean we're just we'll leave Like
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  what? I was like, no, no, I'm booking
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  the front loader that comes in two hour increments.
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  That's what I'm going to do for two hours.
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  Yeah. I don't know what you're going
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  to do. And she's like, no, you have to
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  stay with the children. So I plan on going back for my
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  birthday to to just work on the the big excavator in the front
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  loader because that just looks like a hell of a lot of.
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  Fun did you find as you dug down?
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  Did you find any bodies rolled in carpet?
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  There was a section that was called the non Italian section.
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  That's where we did most our digging.
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  The yeah, the Italian section that was frowned upon it I guess
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  that could be like a little scavenger hunt.
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  You could be like hey rent the rent the backhoe and see if you
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  can find solve some of the 1950s carpet mystery.
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  Solve a crime and get a badge. It was really fun.
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  I know we don't do recommendations to the top, but
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  dig this in in Vegas was really cool and it's a great service
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  and really nice people and it caters to kids and it was a it
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  was a blast. So I love it.
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  We had a ton of fun on our week. How was how about you?
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  How was we had? Rain, then we had rain and then
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  we had rain. So that was it was my week.
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  I would didn't get to do a lot of hiking, but I did get to go
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  eat at God's over at the farmers market in Los Angeles, which is
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  wonderful. Oh well.
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  Listener. We had a listener take us to
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  God's. Treated us to God's you and I
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  went yes and a dear friend took us and it was just terribly
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  enjoyable. The whole thing was was.
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  So fun. Are we supposed to not talk
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  about this? Yes, it is.
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  I we can't review it. We can talk about it, but we
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  can't. We've just reviewed.
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  It what do you mean? He said nothing about it, about
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  any sort of review. I didn't tell you any item on
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  the menu or how good it was. It was really good, but I didn't
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  tell you. That we can never go back to
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  goth. This is great.
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  Didn't hear it here. Great.
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  All right. Wendy's here you come.
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  Also my week daddy should have never gotten a new more powerful
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  Ego leaf blower. Oh, no, really.
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  This thing's really fun. I have.
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  By the way, there are gardeners that come to my house twice.
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  With a demonstration to blow. Away all my leaves and keep the
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  yard clean. I don't care.
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  That means there are five days when I get to go blow the leaves
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  away and I'm having the most fun.
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  I'm your kids with the tractor, only I have a leaf.
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  Blower when it comes to manual labor, you were like Jeff
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  Bridges and Starman like you are just discovering all this stuff
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  for the first time totally and you were like the most curious
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  you're like whoa, I can just put this battery on and blow leaves
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  wherever I. Want it's so powerful.
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  It's like mind blowing. OK, the other thing this week
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  that you and I have just had a black hole of time with Yes is
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  Google's Lyria 3, which is their AI generated music thing that
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  they put on Gemini and we've been making little stupid songs
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  for the last week. Yes, songs might be a bit of a
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  stretch, but we have been making stupid little sound bites and
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  you and I are just like every, every time I make one of these
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  and I click go, there's this 5 seconds of of bass.
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  Like what it was like as a kid on Christmas morning?
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  Sure, before you opened a present.
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  And then being very disappointed by getting a tie from your aunt.
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  Yes. And then you're like, oh, pants.
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  Yeah. Thank you.
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  Oh, please. Exactly what I wanted.
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  More please. I have some very good news for
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  songwriters. AI is not coming for for your
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  job anytime soon. Well, you know, I don't know.
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  It's getting a lot better. I feel like we're.
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  Hit play, Hit play on one of your favorite ones.
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  We'll play 1. Oh, mysterious guy, I had a
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  fever now, a sickness deep inside, somehow the memory of
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  you, a painful ache, the only song my poor heart makes.
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  So I'll just let the melody just fade And let the melody just
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  fade. A lot of the pieces are there
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  compared to what we could do a year ago, even six months ago.
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  It's a lot farther along, I know you believe.
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  Yeah, no, no, no, no. I'm not saying that it's not
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  getting better. It is getting better.
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  It's just there are a lot of tunes on Spotify that I listen
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  to that are clearly invented by AI.
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  I mean, it's the Blues of having their cord unplugged from the
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  wall, and I know that's probably not a human.
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  Writing. No, no.
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  That was a Dave Matthews Band song.
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  He had that one. Is that right?
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  Yeah. He did that one.
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  So there are some AI songs that do sound like they maybe could
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  have come from a human that are pretty good, but these are not
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  those. Listeria 3 we keep calling it.
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  It's Google's Lyria 3 but but we can't stop calling it Listeria
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  'cause I feel like it's the worst name.
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  Like did the AI name it? Why did you guys name this
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  thing? Work on the AI naming agent
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  before you work on the damn music generator.
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  It has been a tremendous amount of fun and I know that this
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  phase will pass in the coming single digit days, but I
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  recommend and all this years go. Try Shall we get to our?
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  Headlines It's only been 15 minutes, might as well start
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  now. Privacy schmiva See the leaked
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  emails Ring didn't want you to see leaked emails reveal Ring
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  founder Jamie Simonov's aggressive, often controversial
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  vision for Search Party, an expansion of the Neighbors app
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  designed to Crowdsource the tracking of missing people and
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  suspected criminals. The document shows Simonov
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  pushing for a pre crime ecosystem, prioritizing rapid
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  expansion and hyper growth over burgeoning privacy concerns.
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  Internally, the project faced pushback for employees worried
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  about the potential for racial profiling and the legal risks of
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  turning private citizens doorbells into a decentralized
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  surveillance force. Despite these warnings, Simonov
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  dismissed hand wringing as a barrier to innovation.
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  The leak exposes a corporate culture that viewed public
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  safety as a marketable product, cementing rings shift from a
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  simple doorbell company to a polarizing pioneer of community
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  LED surveillance. Now Ring is owned by Amazon,
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  right? Yeah.
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  I well, first of all, I don't know how much influence Amazon
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  has over the day-to-day. I suspect now they've got some
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  influence because they've taken some real bad heat.
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  Paying attention. Yeah.
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  I I. Think they ran a relatively tone
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  deaf ad during the Super Bowl? Find your dog with like, we'll
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  just find your dog anywhere and only if it's black or brown.
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  We don't find the white dogs, the white dogs.
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  We don't look at those. Those dogs are the good dogs.
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  Is that right? Yeah, it's not great.
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  Also, apparently you can see all the video from all of our
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  doorbells. You can see the whole what's
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  going on in the whole neighborhood and hear what's
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  whatever's going on in the whole.
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  Neighborhood and sadly that content is better than 2/3 of
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  what's on YouTube created by influencers.
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  I I love the idea of a decentralized system for being
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  able to use it for for lovely for lovely things like you.
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  Maybe you find your dog that's lost or your kid wanders away or
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  somebody commits a crime and you can see oh hell, they jump from
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  here to here that's cool amazing.
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  What I don't love is that that enables all of these other
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  things that we are as a people notoriously bad about not doing
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  sure if you on the surface this ring thing sounds kind of
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  terrible. Let us remind everybody that the
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  NSA did things that were much, much worse over the past 20
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  years in the cover of darkness. Wait till the NSA require these
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  feeds to come to them. And also in the subpoena for the
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  feeds, they also give you this thing where you can't talk about
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  the fact that you're supplying them the feeds to all the
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  doorbells. Yeah, yeah, of course.
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  So, you know, maybe send a a little bit of money to the EFF
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  after listening to this episode. Cause like EFF though, they seem
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  to be not the only, but one of the loudest, most consistently
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  agitating groups to folks that are trying to do this because
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  they're like, you had no the. Electronic Frontier Foundation,
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  The EFF. EFF From my perspective, this is
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  not going to slow down anytime soon.
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  However, I am optimistic because there has been a lot of news in
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  the press recently about a couple companies specifically
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  Ring more recently and before that, a company called Flock,
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  which does have a system of surveillance that generally I
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  think was used for very quote, UN quote good purposes.
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  There have been so many abuses and documented abuses and their
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  response has kind of been a shrug.
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  Like they've put out some lip service to it, but it's
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  basically been a shrug. And I, and to me, that's the
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  more damning concern, is that they haven't said whoa.
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  They don't take it seriously. Yeah, Here's the part that
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  frustrates me the most. You could implement technology
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  such that most of these issues could be resolved.
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  Yeah, it is technically possible.
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  I wouldn't even call it very hard, but they are not inclined
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  to do so for, I think, a handful of reasons.
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  And that's where we are. So now it's like maybe you don't
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  put this data in the cloud somebody else manages.
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  I'm going to give you a plug to a real link and just say grab
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  yourself a nice real link video doorbell does everything your
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  ring doorbell does and more and does it with complete security.
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  The the video doesn't is not going away unless you subscribe
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  to a service form. Yeah, they sell server.
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  Your video is kept local. Yeah, let's be clear there.
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  It at least gives you the option to do things locally, which is
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  what I would think you'd be better off doing.
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  They sell a subscription service.
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  You can pump that crap into the cloud.
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  That's not really what you want to do.
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  But you said, you know that that Real Link has a service you put
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  in the cloud if you need to. It's your choice.
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  Yeah, need needs a strong word there.
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  And I think this is part of the problem.
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  Ring and and Real Link and others not not just those
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  companies have made it super duper easy to get basic video at
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  your home. Yeah, you can go to Home Depot
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  and buy a thing for a couple 100 bucks.
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  The point is very inexpensively easy to install ring.
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  Doesn't even give you the option to keep your data simply just
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  locally. That's the.
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  Thing that's why. That's why I'm trying to paint
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  a. Different only option is to send
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  it to. The clock ring and Blink and
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  others. There is no local option,
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  really. At least you have an option.
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  These other services, they're turnkey, right?
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  You walk into Home Depot, you buy the thing, you put it up,
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  away it goes. There is no option to install it
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  locally because that is a pain in the ass.
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  Yeah, and more work. More.
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  Importantly, they're not getting your data.
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  Well, yeah, they want your data. What's the Andreessen quote?
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  Most people will will happily enjoy long term chronic pain to
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  avoid short term. Cute pain.
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  Yeah, it's probably true. That's what that is.
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  They're like, oh. Yeah, I don't care.
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  I'll pay 6 bucks a month. But yeah, that's true.
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  I mean, that's most people. Yeah.
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  Anyway, this, this ring network I think is concerning.
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  I'm glad people are getting in front of it.
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  California's Tesla ultimatum Rename Autopilot or stop selling
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  cars. Tesla's officially retired the
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  term Autopilot in California to avoid a 30 day suspension of its
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  manufacturing and dealer licenses.
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  The California DMV ruled that the branding was misleading,
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  implying that vehicles could operate autonomously to comply
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  with state consumer protection laws.
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  Or just labeling things correctly.
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  Sure, Tesla has rebranded the feature as Traffic Aware Cruise
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  Control and added Supervise to its Full Self Driving marketing.
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  That was not their first choice. I believe their first choice was
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  they're going to call it Magic Driving Genie and California's
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  like, no, maybe not, probably not.
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  Maybe that's not. That's the direction we don't
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  want you to go. The move protects Tesla's access
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  to the largest U.S. market following a multi year dispute
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  over deceptive advertising. While the software remains
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  technically unchanged as a Level 2 driver assist system, the
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  regulatory pivot signals a major shift in how the company must
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  communicate its tech knowledge is limitations to the public.
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  California and all this regulation keeping us safe.
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  I mean, how dare they make it say on the tin what it does?
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  Sure, the OCD part of me needs things labeled correctly, though
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  of course. It's not even a matter of like,
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  keeping people safe 'cause I can remember, Oh yeah, Tesla's gonna
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  run me into a telephone bowl. Don't, don't do that.
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  But I want things to be labeled correctly.
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  Yeah, drives me nuts when things are labeled incorrectly.
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  That's why every time I come over to your house I put GFCI
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  stickers on non GFCI outlets just to screw with you.
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  So I'm just gonna leave this here.
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  Little little surprise that you have to find later.
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  This is interesting. I I really don't think Tesla had
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  a an option here. This is what they had to do.
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  They had to come up with something.
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  California's got to be the largest market for EVs.
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  It's their largest U.S. market. Yeah, it is definitely the
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  largest U.S. market, especially on the on the service side where
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  most car companies, you know, they make, they make way more
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  margin on service and parts than they do, of course, and not in a
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  lot. It's in the dealer network and
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  whatnot. The little tiny bits of Tesla
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  repair quotes that I've seen. And it seems like they're
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  marking up those parts quite a bit.
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  Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
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  By the way, panels, if you get a dent, you can't undent them.
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  There's no they're they're carbon.
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  They don't undent. Great.
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  Don't worry, your optimist robot will fix it all for you.
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  Great. Very, very slowly.
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  As long as the guy in the Philippines is operating.
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  But don't worry, the new Tesla robo crash cab is coming out or
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  gonna get that thing announced. What what they were Tesla cause
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  look, Tesla has looked at a lot of different markets and what
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  they've found is they really want to take that crash test
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  dummy market and and deploy that widely.
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  What CJ is talking about is the NHTSA.
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  Their data has revealed that Tesla's test fleet in Austin,
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  TX, their Robotaxi test fleet in Austin, TX has recorded 14
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  crashes in 18 months, with five occurring in just the last
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  month. Now, that's really not that
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  amazing until you think about how few cars they have in
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  Austin. There's something like 32 cars.
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  So like almost half the cars have been in accidents.
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  Reports suggest a crash rate significantly higher than that
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  of human drivers. Well, yeah, I mean, first of
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  all, remember this thing was going to cover half the US
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  population by the end of 2025. So that's still coming.
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  We're going to get there soon, ish.
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  They have deployed from some inside metrics as well as just
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  users counting cars. Yes, they've got something like
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  it's dozens of cars deployed in Austin, not hundreds, not
• 15:24
  thousands, dozens, dozens. And then I think in San
• 15:26
  Francisco there's something like a couple 100, like maybe it's
• 15:29
  like roundly 200 cars deployed in all of San Francisco.
• 15:31
  Oh no, I think it's 200 if you add Austin together with San
• 15:34
  Francisco. Something like that.
• 15:36
  It's this very small. Number, it doesn't really matter
• 15:38
  if it's 200 or 500. The point is it's extremely
• 15:40
  small. Yeah, compared to what we were
• 15:41
  supposed to have, you're still having pretty high what I'll
• 15:44
  call failure rate. Like if, if, if an accident is a
• 15:47
  failure, which crash, it's a failure should be.
• 15:49
  I can't really. We call it an accident because
• 15:51
  it's kind of a a purpose. When the software does it, it's
• 15:53
  not an. Accident, right?
• 15:54
  You didn't really think through some cases.
• 15:56
  I got confused and matched the accelerator.
• 15:58
  Yeah, so not great. Which is not a surprise to me at
• 16:01
  all. I'd love to see more data on
• 16:03
  this. I'd love for them to be more
• 16:03
  transparent. That's also not gonna happen.
• 16:05
  Do you know why it's not gonna happen?
• 16:07
  Why? What's not gonna happen?
• 16:08
  They're not gonna lose. Any data Why Tesla doesn't have
• 16:09
  to reveal the data that Waymo has to reveal?
• 16:11
  Because they categorize their cars as just a regular car.
• 16:14
  They don't. They're the level.
• 16:15
  Two as like a taxi cab with a human driver.
• 16:17
  Because they assume the passenger, the consumer of this
• 16:20
  product, doesn't know the difference and doesn't care.
• 16:22
  And it's like, well, OK, that can be our job.
• 16:24
  Like you and I can educate the folks that like, oh, there's a
• 16:26
  big difference between L2, keep you in the lane, maybe hold on
• 16:30
  to the steering wheel. With a human 2 inches away in
• 16:32
  case it doesn't. Yeah, I.
• 16:33
  Mean that's what L2 is right. L2 is like what you have in your
• 16:36
  car where you push a little button.
• 16:37
  It's like adaptive cruise control at corner kind of sort
• 16:39
  of keeps you in the lane, but you still got to be their hands
• 16:41
  on the wheel. Lovely technology and and very
• 16:43
  stable in lots of manufacturers cars.
• 16:46
  Works well. Kind of hard to live without
• 16:47
  once you see it and use it. Big stretch to get the L 4.
• 16:50
  To call it full self drive it is.
• 16:51
  Not what this is. Let me just explain that there
• 16:53
  are 5 levels of self driving. L4 and L5 are arguably exactly
• 16:57
  the same, but it's fully autonomous driving.
• 16:58
  The difference is a level 4, yeah, has to have a fall back to
• 17:02
  a human, which can either be in the car or remote.
• 17:04
  Yeah, Level 5, no fall back needed.
• 17:06
  No one has achieved level 5 yet. No.
• 17:08
  I do think it is fascinating to note that in many ways level 5
• 17:11
  is easier to achieve than level 4 because the switchover is the
• 17:15
  hard part. So right now we're in level 4
• 17:17
  because we can test, but I think in in actual production land,
• 17:20
  we're probably going to skip level 4 and just go straight to
• 17:22
  level 5. Level 0 is driving yourself,
• 17:24
  right? We just level level 1 is you
• 17:26
  either have assistance with accelerating, braking or
• 17:29
  steering. Level 2 is both.
• 17:30
  Yeah, that is worth pointing out.
• 17:32
  Level 3 is conditional automation and then four and
• 17:34
  five. We just discussed high
• 17:35
  automation, full automation. Tesla, because their tech is
• 17:37
  working so well across the board on on everything.
• 17:41
  They are building these cyber cabs where there are no steering
• 17:44
  wheels or inputs. Doesn't mean a human can't.
• 17:46
  Control right? The first one is rolled off the
• 17:48
  line. Because again, these Tesla's are
• 17:50
  so popular and there's so many people and they really need that
• 17:52
  extra seat. That was really the problem is
• 17:54
  they didn't have the extra seat space.
• 17:56
  They now these are not going to be level 5, at least I don't
• 17:58
  think so. They can't even get level 4,
• 17:59
  right. Presumably they're going to be
• 18:00
  level 4 where there's a remote driver that can that can assist
• 18:04
  the vehicle. I don't know how they're
• 18:05
  magically going to get from L2 to L4.
• 18:07
  They seem to have no path right now that I see in Tesla tech
• 18:11
  that will get you from L2 to L4. You cannot use optical sensors
• 18:14
  and get from L2 to L4. You must use Lidar at this.
• 18:17
  Point. It's worth pointing out couple
• 18:19
  things. One, I haven't done in the math
• 18:20
  to divide the numerator by the denominator, but I can't say in
• 18:23
  absolute numbers. Level four way MO's have killed
• 18:25
  0 people. Yeah, they have to report.
• 18:27
  Every single time a human intervenes, they have to report.
• 18:30
  Much, much stricter level of reporting in California.
• 18:32
  Yeah, Tesla level 2 has verifiably killed people.
• 18:35
  Oh sure. I also love that in in the their
• 18:38
  California Public Utilities, Tesla's filing, the California
• 18:40
  Public Utilities Commission, they had said, Oh yeah, of
• 18:43
  course the robot taxis rely on in car human drivers and remote
• 18:46
  operators, which we all knew that was not a surprise, but but
• 18:48
  you kind of had to hear them say it's.
• 18:50
  In Austin, where they're running in them without any in car human
• 18:53
  drivers because the laws are a little.
• 18:54
  Relaxed. Hold on.
• 18:55
  Now in Austin, hold on California, you actually have to
• 18:57
  have a driver. Hold on, hold on, hold on.
• 18:59
  Two separate things here, 'cause you, you, I like where you're
• 19:01
  going. I like where your head's at on
• 19:02
  this. This is one of the few things
• 19:03
  you and I are aligned on in California.
• 19:05
  Yes, they still have remote operators or in car human
• 19:08
  drivers. But they argued, Tesla argued
• 19:10
  that this multi layered approach is safer than fully driverless
• 19:14
  competitors. And I am sure it is safer than
• 19:16
  some competitor somewhere. It however, is not safer than
• 19:19
  Waymo. So it's not safer than all of
• 19:21
  their competitors. Austin, you mentioned Austin,
• 19:23
  they have removed the the operators, the sort of in car
• 19:26
  human drivers from the cars in Austin, however.
• 19:29
  Put a follow up Carbon. What has been observed is on
• 19:32
  these cars there is a chase car following it.
• 19:35
  Now, I don't know if that's every case, it's a little
• 19:37
  anecdotal, but still, the fact that it's happened even once or
• 19:39
  twice or more seems not great. This didn't get less expensive,
• 19:44
  it got more. Austin you get you get something
• 19:46
  like 2 1/2 months worth of rain in Austin every.
• 19:50
  Oh yeah, sure. So roughly speaking, 20% of the
• 19:52
  days in Austin it rains Yeah, as it turns out them little optical
• 19:56
  sensors, some people may call them cameras don't work great
• 19:59
  rain. So they ground their fleets
• 20:01
  during the rain and you could say, well, OK, you don't wanna
• 20:03
  all. 32 cars they ground. It's an edge all 32.
• 20:06
  Where are you gonna park 32 cars?
• 20:08
  That Whole Foods lot was half full now because they parked
• 20:11
  those 32 cars downtown Austin. I'm not sure that the the the
• 20:15
  visibility in the rain problem is solvable optically now.
• 20:18
  Yet with LIDAR, you have a car that is better than humans
• 20:21
  around it. Of course, all the Tesla fanboys
• 20:23
  are like, yeah, but LIDAR stuff's expensive.
• 20:25
  I'm like, it was five years ago. It's not now.
• 20:28
  Yeah. It's come way down in.
• 20:29
  Price like name 1 technology that has gone up in price since
• 20:32
  invention. Just anyone.
• 20:34
  I'll wait like what's ever going.
• 20:35
  On by the way, Rivian has swapped out.
• 20:37
  They're not using optical technology now either.
• 20:38
  They're. Using smell.
• 20:39
  They're like a smell sensor. I would love that they went full
• 20:43
  dog. Coming installed in the Rivians
• 20:44
  are are Lidar sensors. Yeah, I really hope Rivian can
• 20:47
  kind of sneak in behind and and suck up all the oxygen the Tesla
• 20:51
  is no longer breathing because that's a wrong analogy.
• 20:53
  I really hope that Rivian can really sneak in here and wedge
• 20:56
  themselves in a nice position because I think their
• 20:58
  engineering looks to be really stellar.
• 20:59
  I like their vehicles. I think they found a good fit
• 21:01
  between Spartan design of the Tesla's that I I really don't
• 21:05
  enjoy with something that is still more a little more
• 21:07
  futuristic and, and and car driver friendly.
• 21:09
  So we'll see. I'm optimistic.
• 21:10
  In related news way, but we'll see be starting up in London and
• 21:13
  Tokyo. Ohh, that's cool.
• 21:14
  So they're going for the right hand drive market now.
• 21:16
  That's which is crazy. I mean, that's like sure,
• 21:18
  another thing you gotta figure out.
• 21:19
  I guess I've gotta. Change all the code from tabs to
• 21:21
  spaces. There's no other way to do it.
• 21:24
  The. The only option.
• 21:25
  The hallucination hearing DA sanctioned for AI generated lies
• 21:29
  in a major legal blunder. Kenosha County District Attorney
• 21:32
  Xavier Solis was sanctioned by Circuit Court Judge David Hughes
• 21:35
  for failing to disclose the use of AI and court filings.
• 21:38
  The controversy erupted during a burglary case when the defense
• 21:41
  attorneys discovered prosecution's brief contained
• 21:43
  hallucinated fictitious legal citations.
• 21:47
  Kenosha court rules mandate that any AI assisted work must be
• 21:50
  formally disclosed and verified for accuracy, a standard Solis
• 21:54
  failed to meet. Well, yeah, no kidding.
• 21:55
  While the judge ultimately dismissed the charges due to a
• 21:58
  lack of probable cause rather than AI errors, the incident has
• 22:01
  drawn sharp criticism from legal experts.
• 22:03
  Solis has since acknowledged the issue.
• 22:05
  Reinforcing internal practices to prevent future digital
• 22:07
  hallucinations from undermining the credibility of the
• 22:10
  prosecutor's office may be too late for that now.
• 22:12
  Yeah, a couple of things. One, it it sounds like this
• 22:15
  particular office which is not small, I think it's like the 8th
• 22:18
  largest city or county in the state of Wisconsin.
• 22:20
  So it's not like this is like Podunk, like, this is, this is
• 22:22
  not OK, but sure, something. We've had a lot of assistant
• 22:24
  District Attorney positions that have been opened and unfilled.
• 22:28
  So I'm sure they're under the gun with a lot of work.
• 22:30
  Yeah, that seems to be the case for sure.
• 22:31
  You probably shouldn't submit your briefs in what effectively
• 22:34
  is crayon. Like, that's not a great idea.
• 22:36
  And I feel like that's what they've done here.
• 22:38
  They were just like, well, it's Yolo.
• 22:39
  And like, Chechi beat these, like, all of these words look
• 22:42
  like English, so we're gonna submit like, I think that was
• 22:44
  their mindset. And that just seems really bad.
• 22:46
  Well, I just think that they assume the AI is going to get it
• 22:48
  right because an awful lot of times it does get it right.
• 22:50
  That's just not the case. AI frequently hallucinates you
• 22:54
  need. By the way, you may not need
• 22:55
  associate lawyer in your firm right now because you and you
• 22:58
  can reduce staff size. What you can't do is get rid of
• 23:00
  people to Fact Check the stuff that AI puts out.
• 23:02
  You got to actually make sure it's not making things up.
• 23:05
  For now, I do think that is a temporary ish bump.
• 23:08
  I do think that is a slope going down right now.
• 23:11
  Absolutely for sure. I would not do a lot of of
• 23:14
  trusting of these things. I do think that is getting
• 23:16
  better. It will continue to get better.
• 23:17
  But the but the point is you guys have a process for this
• 23:20
  this this court has a process that says like check this box,
• 23:23
  fill out this form if you did it with AI.
• 23:24
  Oh yeah, you have to admit that you got your stuff from AI.
• 23:26
  And it and it requires a modicum of scrutiny.
• 23:28
  Yeah. So I don't know.
• 23:29
  I'm a I'm making broad assumptions here that they just
• 23:32
  thought, well, that would mean we have to do more work.
• 23:34
  They'd question this. We're already overburdened.
• 23:36
  Or they were in a rush and they just didn't check their work.
• 23:39
  I don't know about the the damp in a rush, like what?
• 23:41
  Come on. How can you be in a rush?
• 23:43
  Like you'll see, like you're talking about a crime.
• 23:45
  Someone's gonna like, do some. Like, I just imagine the DA
• 23:47
  office is incredibly overworked. It's understaffed.
• 23:50
  I mean, it's no, no. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,
• 23:52
  no, no, no. If I've learned one thing from
• 23:53
  Dick Wolf, yes, it's that they get to put their feet up on the
• 23:55
  deck desks. They spend a lot of time just
• 23:57
  talking to each other and and getting lunch.
• 24:00
  Like in 2022-2023. I could maybe give you a little
• 24:03
  rope on this and be like, well, you thought the AI was perfect.
• 24:06
  To think even if you're under a rock for the past three years,
• 24:08
  you would know that the AI is not going to get this thing
• 24:10
  right. Right Now, the point of going to
• 24:12
  law school, yes, and, and taking the bar and passing sure is that
• 24:15
  you're now in this like this group of folks that have some
• 24:18
  sort of implicit trust of one another that you're not going to
• 24:21
  do certain things. Yeah.
• 24:22
  And you're going to be and you're going to respect a
• 24:23
  certain decorum. You're not going to make up
• 24:25
  case, he says. You're not gonna make.
• 24:27
  Stuff up. But, and if you look seriously
• 24:29
  look back though at the case of little versus Parker, oh.
• 24:32
  It's a good. One, it's OK to make up cases.
• 24:34
  Yeah, yeah. As long as they're funny, that's
• 24:35
  set A. Precedent, yeah, where it's OK
• 24:37
  to make up cases. Here's what we have to do.
• 24:38
  We can just create a bunch of AI slop source work that we can
• 24:42
  then somehow get into the training of these AIS and then
• 24:45
  people can just like I would love to have like a Supreme
• 24:47
  Court brief that cites little V Parker.
• 24:49
  Sure, 2024. I feel like that would be the
• 24:51
  ultimate trolling. Well, they're like, this was
• 24:52
  about chocolates. This was about Reese's Pieces.
• 24:55
  Like that's that's what we need. In a dramatic regulatory
• 24:58
  showdown, the FDA has reversed its shocking rejection of
• 25:01
  Moderna's mRNA flu vaccine. The initial blockade was led by
• 25:04
  Trump appointee Vinay Prasad, who overruled the career
• 25:07
  scientists to label Moderna's critical trials inadequate.
• 25:10
  Insiders viewed the move as part of a broader anti vaccine agenda
• 25:14
  spearheaded by HHS Secretary RFK Junior, whose administration has
• 25:18
  been openly hostile toward mRNA technology.
• 25:20
  To break the deadlock, Moderna proposed a strategic compromise,
• 25:23
  seeking a full approval for adults aged 50 to 64, an
• 25:26
  accelerated approval for seniors so.
• 25:28
  What that means by the way, is that we're going to see by the
• 25:31
  start of this next flu season, August of of this year, the
• 25:34
  lower age bracket, the 50 to 64 will will be able to get this
• 25:37
  mRNA flu shot that will be approved.
• 25:39
  What's so frustrating to me about this is what Moderna,
• 25:42
  their trial that they did the FDA signed off on.
• 25:45
  The FDA said if you do this and it's successful, we will grant
• 25:48
  you the ability to to sell this drug.
• 25:50
  Moderna did that and then came back to the FDA and they went
• 25:52
  psych. No, I actually want you to do
• 25:54
  something different. The FDA hasn't really changed
• 25:56
  course. They've said this is what we
• 25:58
  want now, which is more stringent.
• 26:00
  I don't actually think the what they're asking for the test is
• 26:03
  necessarily unreasonable. The fact they're asking for it
• 26:06
  after they said. They'd approve it.
• 26:07
  They didn't. Require it is the unreasonable
• 26:09
  part right? Because there are so many work
• 26:11
  streams behind this. You ramp up production.
• 26:13
  Yeah, You ramp up production, you've got Salesforce out there
• 26:16
  to to get this product out into the market.
• 26:18
  All those folks might be at risk.
• 26:19
  And this to be clear, this is not about safety.
• 26:21
  There's no challenge or issue with safety here.
• 26:23
  It's only about improved efficacy, right.
• 26:25
  And what what they have shown is that the 65 and overdose is more
• 26:29
  efficacious than the standard flu shot.
• 26:30
  So it's not like it's worse or the same.
• 26:32
  It is more efficacious. They want them to demonstrate
• 26:34
  that it's more efficacious than a high dose of the same flu
• 26:38
  shot. Sure.
• 26:38
  And that's the part that hasn't been done.
• 26:40
  I don't think it's unreasonable. I think this compromise is kind
• 26:43
  of the best outcome you could get from this position.
• 26:46
  So OK. At least we'll move forward to
• 26:48
  get to have mRNA flu shots and mRNA flu shots are important
• 26:51
  because right now when you make the flu vaccine, you are
• 26:54
  predicting a year out what flu strains are going to be washing
• 26:57
  around the world. You're you're crossing your
• 26:59
  fingers and you're frequently wrong.
• 27:01
  Even though that flu vaccine may help you with a similar strain,
• 27:05
  it's very hard to guess the actual strains that will be
• 27:08
  going around the the world. At that time, you don't know how
• 27:10
  it's going to mutate. You know it's going to be.
• 27:11
  You know it's. Going to be big with mRNA.
• 27:13
  You shorten that amount of time where you have to make those
• 27:15
  guesses, so your guesses are going to get a lot more
• 27:17
  accurate. Yeah, which is lovely.
• 27:19
  And there's been no data that I've seen that I know of that
• 27:22
  shows that mRNA has any more side effects or risk than a
• 27:25
  traditional vaccine. Probably fewer, which also have.
• 27:27
  Very low risks and cytopronics. Yes, that seems to be the case.
• 27:30
  OK, enough of the headlines. In fact, enough of the episode.
• 27:33
  We have to get out of here. Special thanks to our floor
• 27:34
  director, John Abdelnor. Thanks, John.
• 27:36
  We'll be. Back later this week with a big
• 27:37
  story why borrowing AI is a risky move for most nations.
• 27:41
  Until then, thank you for listening to all this nonsense.
• 27:43
  I'm Jeff Parker. I'm CJ Little.
• 27:46
  I'm Jeff Parker. Oh, don't you take my rizz, my,
• 27:49
  my, my gimmick, my my tagline, your hook, my hook.
• 27:52
  My hook is a pause between my first and my last day.
• 27:55
  I can't wait to explain that Vox podcast casting call when you
• 27:59
  get sick of me. Well, see, here's my here's what
• 28:00
  I do. I think my first name, and then
• 28:02
  I said to be pause and my last name.
• 28:03
  People go wild. Wild.
• 28:04
  It's one word for it, yes. Polio can strike anyone, Jeff,
• 28:20
  even the fittest. Yeah, they can cripple you or
• 28:22
  your children. Yes.
• 28:23
  Your neighbors. Yeah.
• 28:24
  The best defense. Yeah.
• 28:25
  Vaccination. OK, 15,000,000 people, children,
• 28:28
  expectant mothers, grown-ups have been given this protection
• 28:30
  already. What about?
• 28:32
  You. Absolutely.
• 28:33
  Everyone under 40 should be vaccinated.
• 28:34
  It's free. Ask your local health department
• 28:36
  or family doctor. Now issued by the Ministry of
• 28:39
  Health. That's the ad.
• 28:39
  Oh, that's pretty good. I like.
• 28:40
  That, that's one. But there's another one that I
• 28:42
  like even better. OK.
• 28:42
  This, this one is a drawing of a bee on it.
• 28:44
  Yeah. It's like a flying bee.
• 28:45
  And it says, well, bee says bee. Well, yeah.
• 28:48
  Take the oral polio vaccine. Tastes good, works fast,
• 28:51
  prevents polio. Yes.
• 28:52
  By the way, I don't think that was stack rank order.
• 28:54
  I don't think that should be the stack rank order.
• 28:56
  I think you should probably put prevents polio towards the top
• 28:58
  of the list, probably beyond it tasting good.
• 29:00
  These were two ads that I pulled her from a similar time period.
• 29:03
  When do you think this was? Well, the polio vaccine came out
• 29:06
  in shot form well before the the oral version came.
• 29:09
  By the way, my uncle tells a great story about, you know,
• 29:11
  everybody's so resistant to get vaccines.
• 29:13
  Yeah, the sugar cube, they would put the vaccine on a sugar cube
• 29:15
  and you would go around and you'd get a Dixie cup that had a
• 29:18
  little sugar cube with vaccine in it.
• 29:20
  You'd eat the sugar cube. The sneaky kids would go around
• 29:22
  to try to get another one because they because they wanted
• 29:24
  the sugar cube, the double. Vaccinated.
• 29:26
  The double. Vaccinated kids, yes.
• 29:29
  So that was really the problem. More kids wanted to be extra
• 29:31
  vaccinated. They wanted more.
• 29:33
  Yeah, exactly. Polio vaccine.
• 29:34
  I can't. I was not alive.
• 29:36
  So I'm guessing from if my uncle would have been in grade school,
• 29:38
  that would have been in the mid 50s, I'll say like 1955, maybe
• 29:42
  the sugar cube version. Three years later.
• 29:44
  Two years later. So 57.
• 29:46
  The ads. Were 1960 for the shot 1963?
• 29:50
  Oh, OK, but that doesn't mean that's when it came into
• 29:52
  existence, right? This is when it was being
• 29:53
  advertised, presumably a couple years later.
• 29:54
  You're in the right territory. It's just crazy to me the the
• 29:58
  messaging difference and the response difference like this is
• 30:00
  the thing that keeps you from having to put your your child or
• 30:02
  loved one into a metal tube of certain death.
• 30:05
  Oh. Sure, sure.
• 30:06
  Versus now we're just like, I don't know.
• 30:08
  It looks like it's got. Mercury in it and that's.
• 30:10
  Bad. So I'm just not.
• 30:11
  Gonna I saw this reel on Instagram?
• 30:14
  Yeah, I I was friends. She didn't die, but she moved
• 30:18
  away. I was friends with somebody who
• 30:19
  had had polio. She was terrible.
• 30:21
  Just slightly older than I am. Yeah.
• 30:24
  And by my generation, polio, yeah, pretty much was almost
• 30:27
  down to nothing. Almost down, almost gone.
• 30:29
  Yeah, yeah, if we made forget the shots, make these all oral
• 30:33
  and put them in Godiva chocolates.
• 30:35
  Little Godiva. Trouble.
• 30:36
  Just a sugar. We would have the most that
• 30:38
  sugar cube. Put them in Godiva cube.
• 30:40
  Stole doses of vaccines 'cause they were in sugar.
• 30:43
  Cubes I'm I'm I'm trying to make some money here.
• 30:45
  OK, sorry. Go ahead, put her.
• 30:46
  I don't want to put them in in put them into my little my
• 30:48
  little Godiva. So we're going to bring it
• 30:49
  little nugget, a little Parker, a little Parker chocolates each
• 30:52
  one. Oh my God, this is.
• 30:54
  It this is it. It's a box of chocolates you
• 30:56
  open, and each one's a different, a different vaccine.
• 30:58
  You're like, oh, polio, want that one?
• 31:00
  I'll take the polio 100. Measles.
• 31:02
  Oh, yeah, yeah. I don't want to get measles that
• 31:03
  tastes like coconut. That should be that should be
• 31:06
  how this works. There should be people excited
• 31:08
  to go get their delicious vaccines.
• 31:09
  This is the problem.