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The Death of Virginia Giuffre · Conspiracy! The Show

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Speaker 2: Truly.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, So, speaking of that, we are talking about the
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Speaker 1: very recent and untimely death of Virginia Geoffrey, who is
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Speaker 1: arguably the most vocal of the Jeffrey Epstein victims or was.
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Speaker 1: She died at the end of April, allegedly by suicide
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Speaker 1: April twenty twenty five.
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Speaker 2: Legedly allegedly allegedly.
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Speaker 1: Yeah. On the one hand, Yeah, it's weird that this
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Speaker 1: would make her, I think the third suicide tied to this,
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Speaker 1: with the other being Jeffrey Epstein of course definitely committed suicide,
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Speaker 1: and then Jean Luke Brunel, who was like the European
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Speaker 1: recruiter for the Jeffrey Epstein's scheme. He was the first
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Speaker 1: to commit suicide, and then Jeffrey Epstein, and now Virginia Geoffrey.
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Speaker 1: And on the one hand, I guess that's kind of suspicious,
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Speaker 1: but also this is the kind of case where I
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Speaker 1: would expect people to be committing suicide.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's all suspicious.
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Speaker 3: I mean, we don't even necessarily believe that Epstein killed himself, right,
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Speaker 3: Like that's always the big meme of it all.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, and I think people are right to question that.
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Speaker 3: I mean, there's just so many people who both would want,
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Speaker 3: I want to kill him and would benefit from him
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Speaker 3: being dead.
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Speaker 2: So the likelihood of suicide seems like a little silly.
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Speaker 1: Just with that on paper, I would be more surprised
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Speaker 1: if he committed suicide.
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Speaker 2: I would do because I feel like he thinks he
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Speaker 2: would have the money to get himself out of situations.
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Speaker 1: Not just that, but any time you have an inmate
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Speaker 1: that high profile, they're supposed to be watched and you're
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Speaker 1: supposed to take steps to make sure they don't kill themselves.
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Speaker 1: And that facility had protocols in place for that sort
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Speaker 1: of thing. So something other than suicide happened. I think
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Speaker 1: it's just my own personal belief. I guess.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, Well, when there's really bad things, there's always infinite secrets.
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Speaker 3: So there's infinite secrets in every aspect of this one.
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Speaker 1: Yeah. The only thing that would make me lean toward
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Speaker 1: Virginia Geoffrey being an actual suicide and not having been
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Speaker 1: knocked off by the government or something is why would
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Speaker 1: they do it?
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Speaker 2: Now? That's what I also think about her committing suicide though, Yeah,
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Speaker 2: like that's true, older and gone through a lot at
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Speaker 2: a very young age. I was born at a very
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Speaker 2: young age, And.
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Speaker 3: I mean, I guess there is like a threshold of
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Speaker 3: how much can you possibly take, but also like the
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Speaker 3: worst of it felt long ago that like if she
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Speaker 3: was the kind of person who would kill herself, maybe
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Speaker 3: she would have already done it.
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Speaker 2: She seems like more of a fighter than that, especially
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Speaker 2: with how I've spoken.
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Speaker 1: She was, Yeah, that's the thing. Also, and it seemed
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Speaker 1: like she did genuinely love her kids and wanted to
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Speaker 1: be able to see them again. We'll talk a little
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Speaker 1: later about one of the motivations she might have had
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Speaker 1: that involved her kids. That was I guess, I mean,
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Speaker 1: a possibility. But she alleged that she was trafficked by
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Speaker 1: Epstein and his partner Julane Maxwell when she was seventeen,
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Speaker 1: said she was trafficked to Prince Andrew by those two.
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Speaker 1: Also when she was seventeen, family released a statement calling
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Speaker 1: her quote a fierce warrior in the fight against sexual
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Speaker 1: abuse and that quote the toll of abuse became unbearable.
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Speaker 1: She lost her life to suicide after being a lifelong
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Speaker 1: victim of sexual abuse and sex trafficking. She lived in
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Speaker 1: Western Australia. Died on a farm in Western Australia. She
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Speaker 1: owned a farm.
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Speaker 2: Was she Australian? Was she American?
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Speaker 1: She was American because she was working at mar A
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Speaker 1: Lago when they recruited her. So I think it was
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Speaker 1: her husband who was Australian and so they just moved
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Speaker 1: to Australia after they got married, which I think was
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Speaker 1: like two thousand and two something like that got it.
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Speaker 1: But police in Australia right away said the death was
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Speaker 1: being investigated by major crime detectives. But that early indication
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Speaker 1: is that it's not.
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Speaker 2: Sure.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, we gotta trust the police, you know,
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Speaker 1: we can't trust the police. Who can we trust?
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Speaker 2: Sad.
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Speaker 1: So we did an episode a few years ago when
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Speaker 1: a new batch of Epstein files were released, and in
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Speaker 1: those files was the manuscript of a book written by
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Speaker 1: Virginia Geoffrey that went into a lot of details about
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Speaker 1: what she alleged happened with her and Prince Andrew. You
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Speaker 1: can go listen to that episode if you want a
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Speaker 1: deeper dive into those allegations with more gory details.
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Speaker 3: Also if you don't want to google anything, like if
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Speaker 3: you've seen any coverage of any of the Epstein victims
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Speaker 3: talking like it is the lady that you're imagining, Like,
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Speaker 3: once I clicked the link, I was like, oh, her,
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Speaker 3: Like I have seen her talk about this a lot
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Speaker 3: like she's very much the most front facing victim in
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Speaker 3: my mind.
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Speaker 1: She's one of the only victims I can just name
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Speaker 1: off the top of my head. I know there were several,
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Speaker 1: but she's definitely the most public. And she was also
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Speaker 1: we mentioned on the earlier episode we did about her manuscript.
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Speaker 1: She is also the first one to bring up celebrities
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Speaker 1: in relation to Jeffrey Epstein. Before her, all of the
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Speaker 1: allegations were just against Epstein himself, but she was the
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Speaker 1: one who was like, no, no, no, no no. A
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Speaker 1: bunch of famous people involved also, so that's interesting, but
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Speaker 1: we'll do just kind of a broad overview for people.
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Speaker 1: She had a rough upbringing. She was abused at a
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Speaker 1: young age, living on the streets by fourteen. She met
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Speaker 1: Julaanne Maxwell in two thousand when she was trying to
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Speaker 1: rebuild her life. She was working at mari A Lago
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Speaker 1: at the time as a locker room attendant, perfectly normal
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Speaker 1: seventeen year old behavior, and that is when Julane Maxwell
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Speaker 1: approached her about maybe training as a massage therapist. I
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Speaker 1: don't know how these QAnon types that are so enamored
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Speaker 1: with Trump are just never bothered by the fact that
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Speaker 1: Jeffrey Epstein was literally recruiting girls at mar A Lago.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't understand that either. It's such an obvious
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Speaker 2: plot point.
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Speaker 1: And of all the names associated with Jeffrey Epstein, how
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Speaker 1: many of them do. We also have video of those
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Speaker 1: two standing together at a party literally pointing at young girls.
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Speaker 2: And it's crazy, there's so much of it.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, there's the Howard Stern thing where Trump was on
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Speaker 1: Howard Stern and he mentioned something about Jeffrey Epstein and
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Speaker 1: he goes, he said something along the lines of and
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Speaker 1: I heard he likes them a little young, just like
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Speaker 1: I do. That clip oh undo, Yeah, it's very bad times.
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Speaker 3: Oh god, that like made me feel physically ill, just
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Speaker 3: like I do. Uh could have just skipped that part,
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Speaker 3: shut up.
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Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, and that he's that before he got elected
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Speaker 1: the first time.
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Speaker 2: So I hate it here, fucking hated here.
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Speaker 1: We're in hell so wild, it's so fucked.
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Speaker 2: And like I that I had to sing a song.
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Speaker 3: That's how disassociated I am from every situation at this point.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's it's a lot. It's a lot to fucking
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Speaker 1: keep up with. So she met Julane Maxwell at mar
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Speaker 1: A Lago when she was seventeen, she goes to a
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Speaker 1: job interview with Jeffrey Epstein and the rest is history.
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Speaker 1: That is where the abuse started. She said she was
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Speaker 1: passed around to various Epstein associates, with one of them
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Speaker 1: being Prince Andrew when she was still only seventeen.
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Speaker 2: Not the phrase passed around, that's horrible.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, she actually says passed around like a fruit plate
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Speaker 1: was holy shit fuck her quote. So that's gross. But
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Speaker 1: the the only celebrity she's ever actually named is Prince Andrew.
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Speaker 1: There's a very famous photo that is said to be
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Speaker 1: from the night they met. She claims Prince Andrew sexually
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Speaker 1: abused her on three different occasions in three different parts
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Speaker 1: of the world. He's always denied it, but he did
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Speaker 1: also settle a lawsuit with her in twenty twenty two
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Speaker 1: for a sum that is rumored to be in the
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Speaker 1: range of twelve to sixteen point three million, which sixteen
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Speaker 1: point three that feels like not a rumor, that feels
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Speaker 1: like that might be the actual number. If you got
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Speaker 1: the point three.
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Speaker 2: That's a really big settlement for an I didn't do that.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, it sure is.
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Speaker 2: That's a pretty big shut the fuck up money.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I feel like normally these settlements are like a
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Speaker 1: few hundred thousand. But also, why didn't you just do
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Speaker 1: the settlement in the first place? Dumb dumb?
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Speaker 2: Yeah, why not just be like babe here, like, ah,
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Speaker 2: I'm a bad guy, take the money. This is capitalism. Goodbye.
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Speaker 1: Yeah. But he did not, and now look what happened
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Speaker 1: to him. Nothing. He agreed to a settlement. But I
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Speaker 1: mean that's a lot of money. I don't know what
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Speaker 1: kind of cash Prince Andrew has a member of the
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Speaker 1: royal family soon like England.
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Speaker 2: Old core money.
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Speaker 1: Yeah.
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Speaker 2: Wait, so the settlement happened, so she got that money.
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Speaker 1: Well that's the thing. I did find a source, but
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Speaker 1: it is a UK tabloid that we'll talk about at
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Speaker 1: the end that claims that settlement was in jeopardy in
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Speaker 1: some way and that maybe that is what she was
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Speaker 1: so distressed about and maybe that's what prompted her to
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Speaker 1: kill herself.
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Speaker 2: So they were like, we'll settle, just kidding suffer.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean she was being sued for defamation also
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Speaker 1: by an artist named Nina Oh who she accused of
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Speaker 1: being Jeffrey Epstein's girlfriend and one of his recruiters, and
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Speaker 1: that woman sued Virginia Geoffrey, and that suit was I
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Speaker 1: guess still ongoing. But she was looking for like eight
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Speaker 1: million dollars, not a girl's girl. So maybe that is
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Speaker 1: where the thing about the settlement being in jeopardy comes from,
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Speaker 1: because they don't really say otherwise, like was she not
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Speaker 1: going to get it? Oh?
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Speaker 3: Well, maybe yeah she wasn't. Maybe she wasn't gonna get
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Speaker 3: it because of the defamation lawsuits.
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Speaker 1: What you're saying, Yeah, maybe.
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Speaker 3: Because it was like interfering or whatever the fuck that sucks.
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Speaker 3: And also Nina, Oh okay girl, Yeah, like your art's
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Speaker 3: really good.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean it better be with a name like that,
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Speaker 1: it better be.
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Speaker 3: If you're gonna sue for defamation after being a fucking
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Speaker 3: sex trafficking recruiter.
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Speaker 1: You fuck. I mean she claims she wasn't, so she
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Speaker 1: claimed she was a victim.
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Speaker 2: And that should be enough. What that should be enough
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Speaker 2: if you didn't do it, like what like this bitch
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Speaker 2: defamed you? And okay, okay girl, Yeah.
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Speaker 1: I mean I don't know. If I got accused of
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Speaker 1: being a recruiter for Jeffrey Epstein and I really wasn't,
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Speaker 1: then I might I might be upset. I might file
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Speaker 1: a lawsuit. Yeah, yeah, I guess let's try it. Let's
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Speaker 1: accuse someone of being a recruiter for Jeffrey Epstein and
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Speaker 1: see if.
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Speaker 2: They're I'm full up on accusations.
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Speaker 1: Let's accuse someone of something. By the end of this,
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Speaker 1: I don't recommend it.
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Speaker 2: You want to be shunned by random people that you
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Speaker 2: don't know why for years accuse someone of something The
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Speaker 2: good point, especially if they did it, maybe yeah, yeah, anyway, anyway,
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Speaker 2: not to make it about me.
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Speaker 1: So. One of the weirdest parts of this story happened
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Speaker 1: a few weeks before Virginia Geoffrey died. At the end
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Speaker 1: of March. She posted on social media saying she had
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Speaker 1: suffered renal failure after being hit by a school bus
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Speaker 1: and that doctors told her she had four days to live.
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Speaker 2: What is renal failure?
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Speaker 1: What's a renal kidney failure? Okay, yeah, yea yeah.
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Speaker 2: Why not just say kidney failure?
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Speaker 1: Well, this was her actual quote. I've gone into kidney
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Speaker 1: renal failure.
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Speaker 2: Joe, Okay, okay, I just didn't know what renal was.
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Speaker 1: They've given me four days to live, transferring me to
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Speaker 1: a specialist hospital in urology. I'm ready to go, just
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Speaker 1: not until I see my babies one last time. But
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Speaker 1: you know what they say about wishes end quote. Do
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Speaker 1: doctors do that? Are they like, you got four days
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Speaker 1: to live?
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Speaker 2: I feel like only in movies.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, and even then that would be it's like you're
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Speaker 1: not going to do anything.
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Speaker 3: You can't it's like such a trophy thing. It's like
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Speaker 3: throwing up and that means you're pregnant. It's like the same.
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Speaker 1: And apparently after all of this, her family clarified and
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Speaker 1: said that doctors told her if she left the hospital
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Speaker 1: then she would only have four days left to live. Okay,
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Speaker 1: so maybe they were just trying to scare her into
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Speaker 1: staying in the hospital. Oh seems like that part worked
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Speaker 1: because she was discharged after six days. But very weird,
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Speaker 1: very weird. She the picture she posted was horrifying. Her
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Speaker 1: face was really really fucked up. Ooh, and this is
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Speaker 1: another quote from her post about it. I think it's
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Speaker 1: important to note that when a school bus driver comes
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Speaker 1: at you driving one hundred kilometers as we were slowing
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Speaker 1: for a turn, that no matter what your car is
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Speaker 1: made of, it might as well be a tin can.
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Speaker 1: End quote. That's very strange because also just her face
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Speaker 1: was bruised up.
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Speaker 2: Why is that important to note?
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Speaker 1: Like duh, Yeah, that was definitely an odd tag, Like
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Speaker 1: take this down. This is a clue. And it gets
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Speaker 1: even weirder because a few days after that post, the
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Speaker 1: driver of the school bus in question came forward and
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Speaker 1: said that this accident was being blown way out of proportion.
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Speaker 1: Bus driver's named Ross Muns, and he claimed he was
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Speaker 1: traveling at around forty six miles per hour when he
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Speaker 1: tried to pass a slow moving vehicle and as he
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Speaker 1: began passing, the driver turned into his path, causing the
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Speaker 1: bus to clip the vehicle, damaging the tail.
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Speaker 2: Light, which makes no sense for face fucked up.
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Speaker 1: Nope, And the driver was an elderly woman and they
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Speaker 1: got out and exchanged information and went on their separate ways.
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Speaker 1: He said he didn't even realize there was a passenger
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Speaker 1: in the car, and then he called the elderly driver
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Speaker 1: the next day and she was like, oh, yeah, by
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Speaker 1: the way, my passenger has a black eye. So I
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Speaker 1: don't know what the fuck was going on with this
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Speaker 1: bus accident, the bus drip. I didn't put it in
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Speaker 1: the notes, but the bus driver and we'll link to
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Speaker 1: the article where he says This was kind of suspicious
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Speaker 1: of the accident and felt like maybe they did it
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Speaker 1: on purpose.
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Speaker 3: Also, it sounds like it's not her car, and she's like,
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Speaker 3: no matter what your car's made out of, Like, this
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Speaker 3: isn't even your fucking car.
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Speaker 2: What are you talking about?
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Speaker 1: Yeah?
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Speaker 2: Who's this old lady driver?
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Speaker 1: Yeah? Who is the old woman that was driving?
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Speaker 2: Why do we not know anything about her?
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Speaker 1: It's weird that she's not identified in this. Who is she?
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Speaker 3: Who is she?
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Speaker 1: Where were they going? So many questions. This is a
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Speaker 1: quote from the bus driver. I didn't see her in
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Speaker 1: the car. The driver basically pulled out in front of me.
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Speaker 1: I made sure she was all right. It wasn't a
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Speaker 1: major crash end quote. There is also a police report
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Speaker 1: that describes the incident as a minor collision. A police
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Speaker 1: spokesperson said the collision was reported by the bus driver
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Speaker 1: the following day. The car sustained approximately two thousand dollars
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Speaker 1: worth of damage. There were no reported injuries as a
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Speaker 1: result of the crash. End quote.
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Speaker 3: This sounds like just a random crash that happened, that
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Speaker 3: she was not even in the car of Like, cause
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Speaker 3: when you get in a car accident, everybody gets out
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Speaker 3: of the car.
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Speaker 2: Unless you're like severely injured. Yeah, severely injured.
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Speaker 3: Then there's an ambulance and people get taken away in
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Speaker 3: the ambulance. But the bus driver would have certainly seen her.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, was she trying to fake her death or something?
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Speaker 2: She might have like tried to fake her death and failed,
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Speaker 2: bitched out.
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Speaker 1: Yeah maybe, Yeah. I would love to know who that
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Speaker 1: woman driving the car was.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, that part is so confusing because you.
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Speaker 1: Would think if it was just like her mom or something,
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Speaker 1: they would say that.
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Speaker 2: Or if it was just an Uber driver, they'd be like,
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Speaker 2: it's just an Uber driver.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, But no, we don't have any of those details.
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Speaker 1: She was also supposed to appear in court on April
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Speaker 1: night for violating a family violence restraining order obtained by
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Speaker 1: her husband, but her attorney got that rescheduled to June.
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Speaker 2: What does that mean?
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Speaker 1: That part is really weird too, because it's also mentioned
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Speaker 1: as being maybe one of her motivations if she did
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Speaker 1: take her own life. But the way the family tells
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Speaker 1: it is her husband beat her on a recent family
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Speaker 1: vacation and then came home and filed for this restraining
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Speaker 1: order and got it, and that's why she hasn't been
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Speaker 1: able to see her kids. So someone's lying because if
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Speaker 1: he is the one that did the beaten, I don't
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Speaker 1: know why the judge would give him the restraining order.
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Speaker 1: So it could just be that he's lying.
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Speaker 2: But that's so confusing.
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Speaker 1: It does seem rare that a judge would side with
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Speaker 1: the dude in a case like that.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, like, oh, you hit her, so you should have
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Speaker 3: a restraining order from her so you don't have the
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Speaker 3: urge to hit her.
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Speaker 1: Like what Yeah, and I wonder if she actually did
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Speaker 1: the hitting' and her family is just taking her aside. Also,
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Speaker 1: I have.
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Speaker 3: Heard of people who like get restraining orders from people
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Speaker 3: and then because because the other party doesn't know what
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Speaker 3: to do and that was their last reaction and they're
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Speaker 3: crazy that they just try to also get a restraining
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Speaker 3: order to be like well.
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Speaker 2: If you can, so can I Yeah?
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I could see that.
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Speaker 3: And that I guess happens a lot because like they
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Speaker 3: just don't know what else communication Like, that's like their
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Speaker 3: fix is like abusing that person, So once the training
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Speaker 3: order happens, they're like, well.
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Speaker 2: I was abused too, I should have a rest training order.
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Speaker 1: Also, Yeah, I could see that. It's just weird. That
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Speaker 1: it worked so well and that she lost her kids
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Speaker 1: over it.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know. She's probably got so much PTSD
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Speaker 2: and fucked up shit, like.
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Speaker 1: Oh, I'm sure. Yeah. Yeah. So, as one would expect,
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Speaker 1: folks are a little skeptical about this actually being a suicide.
20:44
Speaker 1: One of those skeptics is her father, Sky Roberts. That's
20:48
Speaker 1: a wnba ass name right there, it really is. How
20:52
Speaker 1: is that not a lesbian? He was interviewed by Pierce
20:56
Speaker 1: Morgan's bitch Ass and said this, First of all, I
21:00
Speaker 1: couldn't even believe it. I mean, I started crying right away.
21:03
Speaker 1: I'm still crying. I can't believe that this is happening.
21:06
Speaker 1: It's impossible. And then for them to say that she
21:08
Speaker 1: committed suicide, there's no way that she did. Somebody got
21:12
Speaker 1: to her end quote. But also it seems like that's
21:15
Speaker 1: just a hunch that he's got.
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Speaker 3: His dad has also got to feel guilty forever, because
21:18
Speaker 3: what a bad dad that you ended up having your
21:20
Speaker 3: kid work for Epstein.
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Speaker 2: And she was on the streets at fourteen, and.
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Speaker 1: Her dad worked at mar A Lago at the time. Also, yeah,
21:28
Speaker 1: and she like when she got offered the job, she
21:32
Speaker 1: came and told him, and he was like, fuck, yeah,
21:34
Speaker 1: I go be a massage therapist for a rich old man.
21:37
Speaker 2: Yeah.
21:37
Speaker 1: Absolutely very strange. So yeah, there's not much else to
21:41
Speaker 1: his story. He just thinks there's something up. There are
21:45
Speaker 1: headlines out there that say, a lawyer who has represented
21:48
Speaker 1: Epstein victims has quote called for an investigation into Geoffrey's death.
21:53
Speaker 1: And I think those headlines are playing a little fast
21:56
Speaker 1: and loose with what he actually said, because they make
21:59
Speaker 1: it seem like this lawyer immediately thinks some sort of
22:03
Speaker 1: shenanigans are afoot, but it seems like he's actually a
22:06
Speaker 1: little more on the fence about it, if anything. Lawyer's
22:09
Speaker 1: name is Spencer Covin, and firstly, he mentions that victims
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Speaker 1: of sexual assault are quote sometimes a three times higher
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Speaker 1: rate to commit suicide than an ordinary individual in society.
22:22
Speaker 2: Sometimes.
22:23
Speaker 1: I also hate how he worded that. What does sometimes
22:27
Speaker 1: a three times higher.
22:29
Speaker 2: Like a non statement?
22:31
Speaker 1: Yeah, an ordinary individual that don't say it that way?
22:35
Speaker 2: Yeah, Like what the fuck does that mean?
22:38
Speaker 1: It's weirdos that got abused when they were young?
22:41
Speaker 2: And what the shit? Victim blaming ass statement? Like how
22:44
Speaker 2: do you manage to be victim blaming and still say
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Speaker 2: almost nothing. Yeah, sometimes victims want to die more than.
22:53
Speaker 1: Other people than regularly okay, than normal people.
22:59
Speaker 2: Yeah, because you're oh freak forgetting abuse.
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Speaker 1: But he also added this kind of long quote. Sorry.
23:06
Speaker 1: She tweeted out many years ago that she was never
23:08
Speaker 1: going to contemplate suicide, so if she died, you know,
23:12
Speaker 1: it wasn't by her own hand. But circumstances change in
23:16
Speaker 1: people's lives. The Australian government needs to release that information
23:20
Speaker 1: to let the world know what happened. She had so
23:22
Speaker 1: many powerful people angry at her that I think in
23:25
Speaker 1: order for everyone the world, her family to truly close
23:30
Speaker 1: the book on this story, they should fully investigate that
23:32
Speaker 1: suicide and make it public so that people don't have
23:36
Speaker 1: these questions in their mind like we had after the
23:39
Speaker 1: death of Jeffrey Epstein himself. I agree with that, Yeah,
23:43
Speaker 1: I mean, aren't they Yeah, I mean they're I feel
23:48
Speaker 1: like they're probably looking into it, I hope, and maybe
23:52
Speaker 1: they'll release the information, but people are It's cute that
23:55
Speaker 1: he thinks any investigation on the part of any government
23:59
Speaker 1: authority factual. Well, not just that that anyone who is
24:04
Speaker 1: suspicious is going to take that as factual. They'll be like, well,
24:09
Speaker 1: the government is investigating themselves.
24:12
Speaker 2: Yes, oh, show the calls coming from inside the house.
24:17
Speaker 1: So yeah, people are going to have those questions no
24:20
Speaker 1: matter what. The Australian government releases. Her own lawyer, though,
24:25
Speaker 1: seems to be less suspicious. That would be Carrie Lowden,
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Speaker 1: who was Virginia Geoffrey's lawyer at the time of her death.
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Speaker 1: At first, there was this quote attributed to her, We've
24:37
Speaker 1: got big question marks over it. There's suicide and then
24:40
Speaker 1: there's misadventure. End quote what misadventure.
24:47
Speaker 2: Coming to the stage misadventure.
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Speaker 1: She also said that Geoffrey was quote in a lot
24:53
Speaker 1: of pain, but she was looking forward to things in
24:55
Speaker 1: the future, So that would make it seem like she
25:00
Speaker 1: was saying, no, this probably was not a suicide. Very sketchy,
25:05
Speaker 1: but she followed that statement up, and I can't tell
25:08
Speaker 1: if she really doesn't believe that there's foul play or
25:12
Speaker 1: if someone just got to her and was like, how
25:14
Speaker 1: about you fucking take that statement back, lady. Yeah, here
25:19
Speaker 1: is her follow up. I am not willing to speculate
25:21
Speaker 1: on her cause of death as to whether it was
25:23
Speaker 1: suicide or misadventure. Parentheses death from unnatural causes, including when
25:29
Speaker 1: the deceased person willingly took a risk and parentheses. Huh.
25:34
Speaker 1: I do not believe it was suspicious in any way.
25:37
Speaker 1: The coroner will determine in due course the cause of death,
25:40
Speaker 1: and that will be established based on the evidence.
25:43
Speaker 2: Your fucking statement is suspicious, bitch, what are you talking about?
25:47
Speaker 1: Yeah? Misadventure? Is she saying, like being a Jeffrey Epstein whistleblower,
25:52
Speaker 1: was the risk she willingly took?
25:54
Speaker 3: I think it's like saying, like if say, she like
25:57
Speaker 3: stabbed herself to death, it's like she tripped in on
26:00
Speaker 3: the knife ten times?
26:01
Speaker 1: Yeah? Yeah, was she like found whoa underneath like a
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Speaker 1: tight rope or something?
26:08
Speaker 2: Oh? I hate when I misadventure?
26:10
Speaker 1: Yeah, I've never heard it said that way.
26:12
Speaker 2: I've never heard it said period. Why is it used?
26:16
Speaker 1: Isn't that also just death by adventure? Yeah?
26:20
Speaker 2: If you're adventuring, you're taking a chance, right, you know this.
26:23
Speaker 2: There's no risk, no reward situation with adventure.
26:27
Speaker 1: What you get bit by a snake when you're out
26:29
Speaker 1: hiking and die?
26:30
Speaker 2: Misadventure?
26:31
Speaker 1: Yeah, that is death by adventure, And like.
26:35
Speaker 2: That's a way cooler ruling than suicide.
26:38
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, misadventure. That sounds fun. Do you know the
26:42
Speaker 1: artist Sophie I don't think so.
26:44
Speaker 2: Okay, Well, she died and the way that she died
26:46
Speaker 2: is really sad and fucked up, but I would classify
26:49
Speaker 2: it as misadventure.
26:50
Speaker 1: Oh, let's hear it.
26:51
Speaker 2: She was climbing a roof to look at the stars
26:55
Speaker 2: and moon and fell and died.
26:57
Speaker 1: Oh shit, that's misadventure. Misadventure. Yeah, yeah, but it's like very.
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Speaker 3: Sad, and I usually, like, I usually don't even talk
27:06
Speaker 3: about it because it makes me so sad because she
27:08
Speaker 3: was so cool.
27:09
Speaker 1: Yeah. That sucks, It sucks so much. Yeah. So she
27:14
Speaker 1: also added that she was quote not critical of the police,
27:17
Speaker 1: nor am I demanding any investigation end quote, and then
27:22
Speaker 1: also added some stuff about how the police are already
27:24
Speaker 1: investigating and that she's sure they'll do a great job. Sure,
27:28
Speaker 1: sure they will.
27:29
Speaker 2: I'm sure misadventure.
27:32
Speaker 1: So yeah, it seems like people are on the fence
27:34
Speaker 1: as to whether this was suicide or not. It's mentioned
27:39
Speaker 1: in a People magazine article that Geoffrey was experiencing quote
27:43
Speaker 1: emotional and physical pain end quote in her last few months.
27:47
Speaker 1: According to family, she and her husband of twenty two years,
27:51
Speaker 1: the father of her three kids, were estranged at the
27:54
Speaker 1: time of her death and had separated in twenty twenty three.
27:57
Speaker 1: And this is the article that mentions that he allegedly
28:01
Speaker 1: beat her during a family trip, but that after that
28:04
Speaker 1: trip he filed a violence restraining order against her and
28:07
Speaker 1: that it was granted. So suspicious, very very confusing.
28:14
Speaker 2: The whole thing is suspicious also with like such a
28:17
Speaker 2: high profile situation like this where there's like so much
28:21
Speaker 2: like just room for manipulation with the husband stuff, Like
28:25
Speaker 2: you never know what really was going on there. Who
28:28
Speaker 2: knows who got.
28:29
Speaker 1: In his ear, you know, Yeah, it could go any
28:31
Speaker 1: number of ways. It is weird that there's all these
28:35
Speaker 1: suicides around this. The JFK assassination is weirder. There's a
28:40
Speaker 1: lot of strange deaths of witnesses in that, but this
28:43
Speaker 1: is close. One of the JFK witnesses died from a
28:46
Speaker 1: karate chop to the neck of that one of my
28:49
Speaker 1: favorite details of.
28:50
Speaker 2: Its really intense.
28:53
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeah, because you would think that's not a
28:55
Speaker 1: way you could die, but apparently no.
28:57
Speaker 2: And that's also like very slapstick.
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Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, I feel like that's nothing that.
29:03
Speaker 2: Happens in Austin.
29:04
Speaker 1: Powers Like if that's a way to kill someone. Why
29:07
Speaker 1: doesn't everyone who wants to kill someone just do it
29:10
Speaker 1: that way?
29:10
Speaker 2: That's like that, that seems so efficient.
29:13
Speaker 1: Yeah, just you're not leaving any tri I mean, I
29:16
Speaker 1: don't know what kind of trace it leaves. It must
29:18
Speaker 1: leave something if police can look at it and go,
29:20
Speaker 1: oh shit, that was a karate chop.
29:25
Speaker 2: Another karate chop to the neck.
29:27
Speaker 1: Boys, it's all the rage these days. So yeah, this
29:32
Speaker 1: is kind of a developing story, so there's not much
29:35
Speaker 1: else to it so far. It's just been ruled suicide
29:40
Speaker 1: and people have their suspicions, but nothing else has come
29:44
Speaker 1: out about it. Very sad story either way.
29:48
Speaker 2: But another another tale of misadventure.
29:52
Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly, the continuing Misadventures of Jeffrey Epstein. Oh god,
29:59
Speaker 1: so yeah, I think that is our shorter than usual episode.
30:04
Speaker 1: If there are any updates, you know, we will follow up.
30:08
Speaker 1: We're on it and let you know. But that's all
30:12
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