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Ep: 698: Is Now The Time To Harvest Your Target Buck?? (Rut Fresh Radio 9.27.23) · Wired To Hunt Podcast

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Speaker 1: Welcome to Wired to Hunt's rut Fresh Radio, bringing you
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Speaker 1: the latest reports from the Whitetail Woods, presented by First Light,
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Speaker 1: creating proven versatile hunting apparel for the stand, saddle or blind.
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Speaker 1: First Light Go farther, stay longer, and now your hosts
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Speaker 1: Casey Smith and Tyler Jones.
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Speaker 2: This is rutfresh Radio. I'm your host, Casey Smith, and
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Speaker 2: guess what.
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Speaker 3: It's actually been a tough week in the Whitetail Woods,
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Speaker 3: but the looming effects of a potential coal front has
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Speaker 3: everybody on their toes.
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Speaker 2: This is rout Fresh. Let's go what's happening to everybody?
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Speaker 2: This is rutfresh, brought to you by First La Gear. Casey,
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Speaker 2: you've been doing some hunt lately? I have not. I
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Speaker 2: am like I am just chomping at the bit to
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Speaker 2: get out there. Yeah, I've been doing quite a bit
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Speaker 2: of elk hunting.
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Speaker 3: If you want to hear more about that, go check
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Speaker 3: out the Element podcast also dropped today. We'll have a
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Speaker 3: episode that gives a lot of details from that hunt,
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Speaker 3: because it was awesome. They were fired up and going
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Speaker 3: crazy because September is the l crut. However, September not
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Speaker 3: so much the whitetail rut. But bucks are killable if
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Speaker 3: you can get them on a pattern and you made
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Speaker 3: a remarkable to go off air. How that's a little
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Speaker 3: bit tough right now because a lot of people have
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Speaker 3: killed their patterned buck already in the month of September,
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Speaker 3: and now we're getting into the place where maybe you're
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Speaker 3: trying to plan B or planning C. You're trying to
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Speaker 3: find something new, and it gets a little tougher, especially
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Speaker 3: because animals are interesting. They are all just a little different,
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Speaker 3: just like humans. Like most humans are pretty predictable. We're
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Speaker 3: gonna eat something for breakfast, something for lunch, something for dinner.
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Speaker 3: But outside of that, you might have a Michael who
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Speaker 3: wants to go to Taco Bell or me and you
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Speaker 3: that want something kind of nice and cooked at home.
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Speaker 3: Right So that to say, right now, it's a little
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Speaker 3: bit tough because a lot of deer are doing different stuff.
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Speaker 3: And that's kind of what it sounds like kind of
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Speaker 3: across the country too. The guys are kind of remarking
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Speaker 3: that it's like pretty standard procedure out there, except for
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Speaker 3: the fact that nobody knows for sure what that procedure is.
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Speaker 2: Well, I think a lot of it is that there's
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Speaker 2: a lot of nocturnal movements still right now, and I
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Speaker 2: think that those just kind of stagnant tempts, even if
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Speaker 2: they're not super hot, are still just not like inspiring
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Speaker 2: deer to move earlier. And it seems like with a
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Speaker 2: guess that that's kind of a thing for sure. But
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Speaker 2: you know, also, you know, you still have this pattern
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Speaker 2: pattern ability thing going on, and you guys will probably
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Speaker 2: hear like some of this going on, I'm sure from
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Speaker 2: a lot of the places across the country in the
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Speaker 2: next week or so, where if you do like your
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Speaker 2: season may just now be opening up, or it may
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Speaker 2: open up October one or something like that, So sometime
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Speaker 2: recently or within the next week, and if you have
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Speaker 2: something going your way on trail camera, then it's probably
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Speaker 2: gonna still go your way. You know. A cold front
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Speaker 2: would be great to inspire them to get up on
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Speaker 2: their feet, but it also could mess up some guy
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Speaker 2: who's got a pattern, you know, going right now. And
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Speaker 2: so if that's the guy and he's got a cold
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Speaker 2: front looming, he needs to go get out in the
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Speaker 2: woods right now and kill it. Dear for something changes,
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Speaker 2: you know, So it's also a good time of year
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Speaker 2: or two.
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Speaker 3: And this is kind of where the way I think
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Speaker 3: of things sometimes it doesn't align with everybody else. But
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Speaker 3: if you got deer that are moving pretty nocturnal, it's
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Speaker 3: a great time to hunt mornings and get into bedding.
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Speaker 4: You know.
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Speaker 3: It's like kind of a turn and burn type thing,
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Speaker 3: where like if you don't kill them, you might bust
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Speaker 3: it out. But like if you're you know, getting deer
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Speaker 3: on trail camera that are at night on a food source,
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Speaker 3: if you know a good idea about where they're bedding,
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Speaker 3: you can go on a morning, you know, get in
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Speaker 3: there real early and be in the right spot. You know,
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Speaker 3: it makes me think about believe it was October third
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Speaker 3: of the year twenty twenty one, you did that exact
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Speaker 3: thing South Dakota. We knew fourth it was it was
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Speaker 3: Eric's birthday. That's right, Yeah, that's right, birthday bug from Eric.
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Speaker 3: So we went then went and boughtym a twinkie at
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Speaker 3: the gas station.
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Speaker 2: Every hostess we could find it.
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Speaker 3: But yeah, so like it's the thing that works early
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Speaker 3: now that is you know, kind of a week out still,
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Speaker 3: but the deer pretty much going to be doing that
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Speaker 3: same thing until they shift to kind of that pre
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Speaker 3: rut stage, which we're all antsy about.
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Speaker 2: Right telling you, you know, and that's something that another
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Speaker 2: thing to consider, you know, if that that was a
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Speaker 2: public land deer, right, if I was, if I had
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Speaker 2: a place that I needed to play more conservative than
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Speaker 2: which I have a few you know, I'm not going
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Speaker 2: to go probably and do that unless I see something
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Speaker 2: change so or you know, even I can't remember in
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Speaker 2: twenty twenty when I killed a deer on a scrape
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Speaker 2: in Illinois, a big buck, and I played that pretty
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Speaker 2: conservative too, because we knew that that scrape had been
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Speaker 2: producing all summer, right, and so we knew what was
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Speaker 2: going to happen. We just needed we needed something to
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Speaker 2: really solidify the fact that there was gonna be a
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Speaker 2: good chance of daylight movement. And that was a big
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Speaker 2: cold front. And and instead I almost went a week early.
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Speaker 2: And if i'd have gone that that buck that I
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Speaker 2: killed showed up that on that cold front the week prior.
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Speaker 2: It just was he was in the in the dark.
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Speaker 2: So it ended up being good. I talked to some
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Speaker 2: people up there that were more from the area and
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Speaker 2: they were like, you should wait, I think because things
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Speaker 2: are still really just right at right at dark pretty
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Speaker 2: much if they're coming out in daylight. So it went doubt.
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Speaker 3: That brings up a little something we were actually fixing
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Speaker 3: to get to go finally do some why too, I'm
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Speaker 3: gonna tell you what state, because you're gonna creep us
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Speaker 3: out a little bit, and I don't want you to
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Speaker 3: come over finding us.
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Speaker 2: I know I pay for some of the people from
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Speaker 2: Maine to figure out our spots.
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Speaker 3: So but the place that we're going, we got some
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Speaker 3: permission on some private ground that is like a lot
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Speaker 3: of ag fields, and I don't know how much ground
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Speaker 3: we're gonna have. If that's not agg fields, you know,
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Speaker 3: it's gonna be like kind of like tree rose fence
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Speaker 3: rose in the fields, so a lot of deer around.
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Speaker 3: But that makes mornings really tough. And if there is cover,
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Speaker 3: we are liable to have to go through the agg
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Speaker 3: fields to get to it. So there's not a lot
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Speaker 3: of acreage to it. So the mornings or evenings thing.
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Speaker 3: It's going to have to be something to kind of
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Speaker 3: decide on this, Tyler, how do you feel about it?
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Speaker 3: Are you do you feel like because we're gonna do
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Speaker 3: this in about three days because we don't have a
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Speaker 3: lot of time to hunt this place. Is it worth
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Speaker 3: going in and boogering stuff or is it worth just
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Speaker 3: trying to have three good evening hunts where you don't
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Speaker 3: have deer that are all scooped up?
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Speaker 2: Man? I think I think you know, it's going to
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Speaker 2: be probably worth being a little bit conservative until the
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Speaker 2: last morning. Maybe you know, they're just kind of seeing
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Speaker 2: at least the first day or two. What what you
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Speaker 2: what you at least assume is going on. And the
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Speaker 2: issue with this and this is like a this is
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Speaker 2: a three through thing across the US probably, but ag
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Speaker 2: is produced by tractors which have to enter that ag
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Speaker 2: field through a road system at some point, right, so
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Speaker 2: you end up where you enter properties is the ag
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Speaker 2: and the betting is further back in right yep most
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Speaker 2: of the time. So that's why it's hard, because you
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Speaker 2: can't just you know, come in from the backside a
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Speaker 2: lot of times because if you could, then they would
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Speaker 2: plant that too or whatever, you know, and I feel
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Speaker 2: like we won't be walking.
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Speaker 3: But if you had a little e bike or something,
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Speaker 3: it might help that, you know, you can zoom back
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Speaker 3: there and just have a little bit different impact. Do
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Speaker 3: you think that this is something I actually don't know
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Speaker 3: the answer to. But deer seem to enter ag fields
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Speaker 3: at specific places, like they this is the spot that
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Speaker 3: the deer come in. They don't just kind of spider
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Speaker 3: web in. But I almost feel like in the morning
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Speaker 3: sometimes they kind of like spider web out, like they
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Speaker 3: kind of get caught out there and they're like, oh,
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Speaker 3: jump the fence.
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Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, right, sure, I feel like that too.
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Speaker 3: It's makes it a little tougher to try to pattern
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Speaker 3: deer because I was thinking, I was like, you know,
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Speaker 3: we could pull up. One way we could use our
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Speaker 3: mornings is glass and feel and figure out where they're
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Speaker 3: leaving the fields and then know you can go set
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Speaker 3: up there.
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Speaker 2: But a buck might do a loop. They don't use.
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Speaker 3: They don't actually do a lot of linear things. You know,
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Speaker 3: a lot of times they're looping to go who knows.
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Speaker 2: What fee the next month or whatever. Yeah.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, So I don't know, it'll be interested to see
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Speaker 3: because I haven't ever hunted this situation too much.
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Speaker 2: There's usually always like an option for.
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Speaker 3: The morning, and maybe there will be I don't know,
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Speaker 3: but it's gonna take some scouting stuff figure out well.
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Speaker 2: And I think that if there is an option it's
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Speaker 2: probably going to take a long walk and therefore early mornings.
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Speaker 3: Yeah. Well, I've been doing a lot of long walking
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Speaker 3: and uh, I don't really want any more.
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Speaker 2: The evening. It's kind of tired.
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Speaker 3: Man.
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Speaker 2: Yeah.
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Speaker 3: Well, we do have a diverse group this week from
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Speaker 3: around the country to talk about what's going on the
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Speaker 3: White Tail Woods. It's kind of weird too, because a
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Speaker 3: lot of times things are different because the country is
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Speaker 3: so big and White tra are so different. But this
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Speaker 3: is like a really specific time of year where it's
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Speaker 3: like just that calm before the big game type thing
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Speaker 3: where everybody's just like, all right, it's coming, you know,
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Speaker 3: or whatever.
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Speaker 2: So who are we talking to today? Yeah, So I
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Speaker 2: try always to spread these things out when we you know,
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Speaker 2: quote unquote book guests. But I want to make sure
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Speaker 2: we're getting some south, some north, some east and west
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Speaker 2: that kind of thing as much as possible. And it's
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Speaker 2: hard depending on what sasars are open. But Arkansas opened
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Speaker 2: up recently, so our buddy Nick Gonzalez has been up
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Speaker 2: there hanging out with the mosquitoes and trying not to
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Speaker 2: get carried off in Arkansas. We're also going to talk
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Speaker 2: to cam Baits up in Wisconsin. Cam's a super cool dude,
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Speaker 2: very knowledgeable, smart individual that has been hunting the Wisconsin area.
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Speaker 2: And that's a state I've never hunted. Actually I've scouted it,
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Speaker 2: but I've never hunted it. I've seen it. That's what
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Speaker 2: you do. And then Jason Read from timber Ninja out
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Speaker 2: North Carolina. He's, you know, the speaking of walking, he's
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Speaker 2: the master walker. He loves walking very far into Christopher
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Speaker 2: just be walking all the time. He's out there walking
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Speaker 2: around in North Carolina hills. And then Garrett Addison from Minnesota.
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Speaker 2: He's been doing a much different game where you don't
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Speaker 2: walk very far because you hunt right next to the
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Speaker 2: driveway in the urban areas. That's cool, Yeah, it's it's
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Speaker 2: it is a diverse group and there's a lot of
10:34
Speaker 2: different things going on. You know, a lot of you
10:37
Speaker 2: people have been sending us messages about states and places
10:40
Speaker 2: you know, you'd like to have. Unfortunately, there's about four
10:44
Speaker 2: guests every week, and uh, there's you know what forty
10:48
Speaker 2: something states that have white tail in them, and we're
10:51
Speaker 2: gonna cover them as much as possible. Uh, but you know,
10:54
Speaker 2: south central, western eastern Illinois might not make it. You know,
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Speaker 2: you know, no, I mean so especially not right now
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Speaker 2: because there's not a season open days, right. Illinois will
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Speaker 2: make it, you know, during the season, I'm sure, but
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Speaker 2: like your particular area, I'd like to help you out
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Speaker 2: and get that done. But it's it's enough for us
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Speaker 2: to get the states all lined out as much as possible.
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Speaker 2: So we're trying. We're trying, guys, and I appreciate your
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Speaker 2: support guys listening to this thing. I know Mark appreciates
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Speaker 2: it as well, and we'll try to have him back
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Speaker 2: on one of these days when he gets done trout
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Speaker 2: fishing and all that kind of stuff. So anyway, let's
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Speaker 2: get to those guys all right on the phone. Now,
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Speaker 2: I've got Nick Gonzalez. He's an Element correspondent. He's been
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Speaker 2: out in Arkansas. What's going on, Nick, Oh?
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Speaker 4: Not much.
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Speaker 5: About to get some Chick fil.
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Speaker 2: A, man, it's about to be, you know, a pleasurable
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Speaker 2: fast food experience, spicy deluxe time man, for sure. Cool. Well,
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Speaker 2: so you've been in Arkansas doing some hunting. You're hunting
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Speaker 2: publicly in I was how'd that go?
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Speaker 6: Say?
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Speaker 5: The least? I've had better hunts?
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Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I didn't didn't see a whole lot
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Speaker 7: of deer action on this trip. Saw a few dough
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Speaker 7: lots of mosquitoes, and a lot of snakes.
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Speaker 3: Oh snake, all our bodies out there, What was what
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Speaker 3: was the tactic that you were so a little background here.
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Speaker 3: You you went on a hunt early last year Tarkansas
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Speaker 3: and had a good hunt, So I'm assuming you were
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Speaker 3: kind of just going off of some of the previous
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Speaker 3: knowledge there. What was the tactic that you were going
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Speaker 3: in there on?
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Speaker 7: Yeah, so last year we were kind of hunting the food.
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Speaker 7: We also had some water, so last year was a
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Speaker 7: real dry year, and the location that we hunted last
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Speaker 7: year was one of the only spots in the area
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Speaker 7: that had really good water, which is what they were patterning.
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Speaker 7: This year, we weren't able to get to that same
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Speaker 7: spot just too due to a couple of different circumstances,
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Speaker 7: so we had to improvise out new areas. But essentially
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Speaker 7: we were hunting the same thing, just bead to food,
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Speaker 7: mostly acrons. Found some per simmons while we were out
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Speaker 7: there as well, so that's kind of what.
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Speaker 5: We were after.
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Speaker 2: Is that what those snakes were eating per simmons?
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Speaker 7: Uh No, the only thing that's all eating. Those actually
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Speaker 7: were coyotes.
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Speaker 2: Oh, they they see loves coyotes, man, man, k let
13:20
Speaker 2: me tell you something. I have a lot of encounters
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Speaker 2: with coyotes these days.
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Speaker 3: It seems they intend to really like to mess up
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Speaker 3: my hunts, which I hope that didn't happen for you.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, So what kind of acorns? Were they? Red oaks
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Speaker 2: or white oaks?
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Speaker 5: I couldn't tell you, to be honest with you. I
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Speaker 5: need to do some more research.
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Speaker 2: Were they small and in swampy areas?
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Speaker 7: Yeah?
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Speaker 5: They were small and they're real green.
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Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, so probably like swamp or water oaks as
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Speaker 2: they call them, and willow oaks I would assume. But uh,
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Speaker 2: those things we found they they tend to work later
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Speaker 2: in the season two because they got so much tannin
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Speaker 2: in them. But any anyway, so you know you have
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Speaker 2: a rough hint. But you did see some deer, right,
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Speaker 2: I did?
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Speaker 7: Yeah, just a few doze and they were both times,
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Speaker 7: are both sets that I saw them. They were hitting
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Speaker 7: the agrons just coming out of just coming out of
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Speaker 7: their bedding in the evening.
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Speaker 2: Where were they betting in being Yeah, just like super
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Speaker 2: thick honeysuckle and stuff like that or what was it?
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Speaker 7: Yeah, basically just yeah, thick areas like that. Yeah, it's
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Speaker 7: all swamp land out there's everything. You know, it's kind
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Speaker 7: of hard to find the betting because everything looks the same.
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Speaker 2: Cover Sure enough, Man, did you find any rubs yet
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Speaker 2: while you were out there?
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Speaker 7: I didn't find many at all. Actually I saw one
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Speaker 7: on a really small tree, but.
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Speaker 4: That was it.
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Speaker 2: Not like a little wispy to just give you not
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Speaker 2: much confidence. So you know, if you were if you
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Speaker 2: were thinking about like this next week based off any
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Speaker 2: you know, weather patterns or any variability that you can
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Speaker 2: think of, would you still hunt the same pattern maybe
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Speaker 2: a different area, But would you still hunt deer moving
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Speaker 2: from betting into the acorns?
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Speaker 7: Yeah, for sure. I mean I think that's probably your
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Speaker 7: best bet at this point. Just I think that's the
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Speaker 7: only thing that they're moving for right now.
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Speaker 2: So i'd be moving from them cotton mouths. So, if
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Speaker 2: you had.
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Speaker 3: To predict the buck movement over the next week and
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Speaker 3: give it a rating of one to ten, what are
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Speaker 3: you going to call it for Arkansas?
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Speaker 7: Honestly, probably like a four, just because the weather is
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Speaker 7: going to be about the same. It's still pretty warm,
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Speaker 7: I think maybe mid to low sixties in the mornings
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Speaker 7: and then mid eighties or so in the during the day,
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Speaker 7: so I don't expect it to be much better than
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Speaker 7: it was this week.
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Speaker 2: M Yeah, okay, well, man, I hope that it goes
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Speaker 2: better for you next time you go up there, man.
15:58
Speaker 2: And I hope your Chick fil A is super tasty
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Speaker 2: and as they say, I hope it's their pleasure, you
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Speaker 2: know what I mean that they save you that the
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Speaker 2: chick Fila.
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Speaker 5: They're pretty consistent, so I'm sure they are.
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Speaker 2: Chick Fish for board is pretty good on this one.
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Speaker 5: Man.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, well, thanks for hopping on and doing that for us. Man.
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Speaker 2: And uh yeah, we'll be talking to you soon.
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Speaker 5: All right, sounds good.
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Speaker 7: Appreciate you guys.
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Speaker 2: On the phone. I've got cam Baits. He's been out
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Speaker 2: in Wisconsin hunting. What's going on camp?
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Speaker 6: Oh Man, I'm honestly, I'm waiting for cold weather to
16:32
Speaker 6: roll in. But that's not too big of an issue. Yeah,
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Speaker 6: I hunted the entire opening weekend, so Saturday Sunday learned
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Speaker 6: a lot actually, But yeah, I mean, I'm waiting for
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Speaker 6: some of the colder weather to roll in to really
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Speaker 6: see some more deer movement in the in the morning
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Speaker 6: hours and the evening hours than normal.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, but it's been good. Cool. Yeah, So I got
16:59
Speaker 2: I got a quot for you. Then, uh, Saturday, I
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Speaker 2: coach the pee wee football game and it was ninety six.
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Speaker 2: What's cold for you in Wisconsin? Cool? Oh?
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Speaker 5: Man.
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Speaker 6: The temperatures I want to see in the morning, I
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Speaker 6: want to see in the thirties to forties.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, in the current months we're at. Yeah. Yeah.
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Speaker 6: Opening day though, I think it was morning temps were
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Speaker 6: fifty five and then afternoon temps were seventy two and sunny.
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Speaker 2: Man. I think there's a song about that, isn't there.
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Speaker 3: Actually, So you know, this might be a little bit
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Speaker 3: like basic level, but I think it's probably a good
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Speaker 3: idea to talk about.
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Speaker 2: What do those cold tents do for you?
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Speaker 6: They get the they get the deer moving sooner. When
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Speaker 6: it's a little bit warmer out, the deer tend to
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Speaker 6: not hunker, They just bed longer, and so it pushes
17:54
Speaker 6: out those moving times from where you'd want to see
17:56
Speaker 6: at the six am, seven am, they push out to or.
18:00
Speaker 2: Eight, nine, ten am.
18:02
Speaker 6: So and so it doesn't really allow you to well,
18:04
Speaker 6: it doesn't allow you to prep for the day.
18:06
Speaker 2: Well m M, gotcha.
18:09
Speaker 3: So do you also, you know, the tempts you listed
18:12
Speaker 3: there were looking at kind of like first frost dates
18:14
Speaker 3: and stuff.
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Speaker 2: Does the the.
18:16
Speaker 3: Brows or the the food sources tend to shift whenever
18:19
Speaker 3: you get that first frost.
18:21
Speaker 6: Yeah, by then you'd still see some of the you'd
18:24
Speaker 6: see some of the farmers picking corn by then, or
18:28
Speaker 6: picking beans. They've already started to pick corn up here.
18:32
Speaker 6: But you start to see deer shift from movement out
18:35
Speaker 6: to those types of food sources like egg food sources.
18:38
Speaker 5: You see them.
18:38
Speaker 2: Start shift inwards to.
18:42
Speaker 6: Trees, dropping acorns, stuff like that.
18:46
Speaker 2: So is that what you've been hunting, is you know
18:48
Speaker 2: a major egg food sources.
18:51
Speaker 6: Yeah, so I tend to I tend to make my
18:54
Speaker 6: decisions off of trail cameras right now because the land
18:56
Speaker 6: I hunt isn't driving distance of my house, and so
19:02
Speaker 6: I tend to hunt off of trail cameras right now.
19:04
Speaker 2: And basically I'm really looking at travel.
19:06
Speaker 6: Corridors, not necessarily where I would set up.
19:09
Speaker 2: But to go, all right, are you moving in this direction?
19:13
Speaker 6: If they're moving in this direction, then yes, they're probably
19:16
Speaker 6: hitting that field during the evening time. And so I'm
19:21
Speaker 6: just seeing what's moving to the food source.
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Speaker 3: Gotcha, are you thinking about scrapes at all yet or
19:28
Speaker 3: is it still too early?
19:30
Speaker 2: It's too early.
19:30
Speaker 6: I would expect to see that here in the next
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Speaker 6: week or two where you see an uptick in scrapes
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Speaker 6: and rubs.
19:36
Speaker 2: Actually, so in the next week is are you would
19:40
Speaker 2: you change what you're doing if you're going forward and
19:42
Speaker 2: hunting next week or would you stick with you know,
19:45
Speaker 2: trail camera data that's showing you where they're head into
19:49
Speaker 2: and essentially hunting between bed and food.
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Speaker 6: I would say within okay, I would say within the
19:54
Speaker 6: next week, I'm going to stick with the trail cam
19:57
Speaker 6: data and I'm going to hunt between bed and.
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Speaker 2: Food here in the next two to three weeks.
20:02
Speaker 6: Then I would start looking for scrapes and rubs and
20:05
Speaker 6: really determine, Hey, am I going to put my setup
20:08
Speaker 6: near one of those travel corridors from scrape to rub
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Speaker 6: and just use that as where I would set up.
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Speaker 3: All right, cool man, So looking forward for the next week,
20:21
Speaker 3: then if it's kind of consistent with what you've been
20:23
Speaker 3: saying on a scale of one to ten, what do
20:25
Speaker 3: you expect bug movement to be like over the next week?
20:29
Speaker 2: Buck movement over the next week I would expect it
20:34
Speaker 2: to probably be a six. Pretty good, that's not bad, man.
20:39
Speaker 6: Yeah, but that's also factoring in, Hey, through the trail cameras,
20:44
Speaker 6: Do I have them figured out? Because I mean they're
20:46
Speaker 6: still moving during the day, But it's do I have
20:49
Speaker 6: that sussed out to know? Am I going to be
20:51
Speaker 6: close to where they're still moving during the day between
20:54
Speaker 6: these food sources embedding? Then I would say it's a six.
20:57
Speaker 6: But below that, if you're just winging it, it drops.
21:00
Speaker 4: Yeah.
21:00
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, well I feel like every time I'm winging it,
21:03
Speaker 2: I have low odds anyway, So try gammers are helpful things, man,
21:07
Speaker 2: for sure. Well we appreciate it. Cam. Thanks for the report. Man,
21:11
Speaker 2: I hope that going forward. Uh like in two or
21:14
Speaker 2: three weeks you're killing rutting bucks over scrapes and stuff. Man, Yeah,
21:19
Speaker 2: I mean that'd be awesome. I'll for sure let you
21:21
Speaker 2: guys know. All right, guys, Yeah, I have a good
21:24
Speaker 2: one you too, see you on the phone now. I've
21:44
Speaker 2: got Jason Redd. He's been out in North Carolina doing
21:48
Speaker 2: some timber ninja stuff and hunting. How's it going, man, Man,
21:52
Speaker 2: it's doing good. It's a beautiful day. I hear some
21:55
Speaker 2: birds out there in the background. It sounds like, Yeah,
21:58
Speaker 2: I'm sitting on the back porch. Yeah, you know, I
22:00
Speaker 2: mean Portchiting this time of year can be pretty fun.
22:02
Speaker 2: It's a little warm in Texas, but I don't know
22:04
Speaker 2: if it's the same there in North Carolina or not.
22:07
Speaker 8: Today Verhah is about seventy four. But we came out
22:09
Speaker 8: of this. It's been hot. This is the end of
22:13
Speaker 8: summer here, but this is our kind of like first
22:14
Speaker 8: little sprinkling at fall.
22:17
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's cool. So you've been hunting a little bit
22:19
Speaker 2: this week. You're the kind of guy that likes to
22:22
Speaker 2: get after a target buck sometimes and really trying to
22:24
Speaker 2: figure out something, especially on public land, and you know
22:28
Speaker 2: some of that. Can you explain kind of what the
22:30
Speaker 2: country you've been hunting looks like?
22:33
Speaker 8: So, yeah, I hunt mainly National Forest up the mountains
22:35
Speaker 8: North Carolina, So it's a lot of old grove forest,
22:39
Speaker 8: you know, really no no timber cuts, you know, masts
22:44
Speaker 8: and terrain is like your key key thing components here.
22:48
Speaker 8: But yeah, I've been after a buck for four years
22:51
Speaker 8: that I'm hunting right now.
22:52
Speaker 2: Yeah, you told me you feel like you're kind of
22:54
Speaker 2: squeezing in on him. And figuring him out. Now what
22:57
Speaker 2: kind of what kind of pattern have you been unting
23:00
Speaker 2: him on right now? What I've been really focused on
23:04
Speaker 2: is food. Acorns are key here.
23:07
Speaker 8: Acorns are dropping heavy in my area, and I know
23:11
Speaker 8: where he likes to bed this time of year. He's
23:13
Speaker 8: opened up some sign in there last week. You know
23:17
Speaker 8: that they just started shedding their velvet last week, and
23:20
Speaker 8: these rubs definitely looked like you know, he was shedding
23:22
Speaker 8: his velvet.
23:23
Speaker 2: And then he.
23:24
Speaker 8: Also, you know, with that velvet coming off, that testosterone
23:26
Speaker 8: going up, you know, deer kind of doing some funny
23:29
Speaker 8: things right now. These bucks are and he already opened
23:31
Speaker 8: up a scrape this week too, so you know, it's
23:35
Speaker 8: right in the line, on this elevation line, with his
23:37
Speaker 8: bed at this saddle. The one thing that limits me though,
23:41
Speaker 8: is that I know he's bedding on private and I'm
23:43
Speaker 8: hunting on the public, so I can't push any further
23:46
Speaker 8: than I am. So you know, really what I'm working
23:49
Speaker 8: on is, you know, him coming to this saddle to
23:52
Speaker 8: eat acorns, but with so much mass on the ground
23:54
Speaker 8: right now, he doesn't had to travel very far.
23:57
Speaker 2: Do you have cameras in the area.
23:59
Speaker 8: I just put one in that area because he wasn't
24:01
Speaker 8: in there last year this time, but he had been
24:03
Speaker 8: the previous years that I've hunted him, and for whatever reason,
24:06
Speaker 8: I didn't get him in their early season last year.
24:08
Speaker 8: And I think, you know, as he's you know, he's
24:11
Speaker 8: at least a seven year old beer, so I think,
24:14
Speaker 8: you know, his home range is shrinking and this is
24:17
Speaker 8: primarily has been his core area. So I think he's
24:20
Speaker 8: going to be in there tire this year.
24:22
Speaker 2: I'd be interested to see how much daylight movement you're
24:25
Speaker 2: getting for sure. That's ah, you know, that's an interesting
24:29
Speaker 2: It's an interesting time of year because you know, as
24:31
Speaker 2: we get kind of closer to October, some of those
24:33
Speaker 2: scrapes will open up and those kind of things, and uh,
24:36
Speaker 2: in my in the past, you know, it's it can
24:39
Speaker 2: still be hard to kill him very far from their beds,
24:42
Speaker 2: you know, and until like late October a lot of times.
24:45
Speaker 2: So that's interesting. Now, if you were you know, you said,
24:50
Speaker 2: you've had kind of a just a spout of decent weather,
24:54
Speaker 2: good decent tempts. It's been kind of warm before that.
24:57
Speaker 2: What is uh, what is the forecast looking like going forward?
25:00
Speaker 2: I mean, are you going to be probably sticking to
25:02
Speaker 2: the same type of thing, trying to really just hunt
25:04
Speaker 2: really close to that private and and hopes that he
25:07
Speaker 2: shows up in the daylight.
25:09
Speaker 8: Yeah, I mean so, actually I'm going on a trip
25:12
Speaker 8: out of state next week, but if I was hunting him,
25:16
Speaker 8: you know all this week, you know that moon's starting
25:19
Speaker 8: to come full, and I do notice a little bit
25:21
Speaker 8: more mid day movement when you have a full moon
25:24
Speaker 8: in the early season, because I you know, I think
25:26
Speaker 8: this beer out but uh yeah, but my goal is
25:29
Speaker 8: I did put a sale cam in there, and I
25:30
Speaker 8: want to see, you know, if there's potential that he's
25:32
Speaker 8: beating on the other side of his sadle. If he is,
25:34
Speaker 8: I can push a little bit further, so I'd be
25:36
Speaker 8: in there, you know, really.
25:38
Speaker 2: As close as I could. Because any type.
25:40
Speaker 8: Of weather change, you know it's somewhat drastic or the
25:44
Speaker 8: moon can make that deer guy his bed a little
25:46
Speaker 8: bit surelier and travel a little bit longer.
25:48
Speaker 2: Sure So, if you had to make a guess at
25:52
Speaker 2: what the buck movement will be like on a scale
25:55
Speaker 2: of one to ten in the next week, based off
25:57
Speaker 2: of weather patterns, moon or just time a year or
26:01
Speaker 2: anything any variable, what would you rate the buck movement
26:05
Speaker 2: to be like, if you had to guess.
26:07
Speaker 8: I think, if you know, as we get into later
26:09
Speaker 8: next week, i'd be more along with seven scale personally,
26:14
Speaker 8: and I would, like I said, I think I would
26:16
Speaker 8: gamble on that being a midday, early season movement, So
26:19
Speaker 8: I'd be getting to my stand about seven or eight
26:21
Speaker 8: o'clock and pretty much sitting all day if I had
26:23
Speaker 8: something I was seriously after. If I don't have something
26:26
Speaker 8: I'm seriously after right now, I'd have a stand on
26:28
Speaker 8: my back checking fresh sign around dropping oaks, because you
26:31
Speaker 8: know those bucks, they tend to like a certain o
26:33
Speaker 8: shaw until they move on to another one.
26:35
Speaker 2: Gotcha, man, that's a good report. Well, I appreciate the time, Jason,
26:38
Speaker 2: and I hope that you get to wrap your hands
26:40
Speaker 2: around his antlers at some point man this year. Yeah, buddy,
26:43
Speaker 2: we will, thanks man. Okay, Now on the phone, I've
26:47
Speaker 2: got Garrett Oddison. He's hunting up in Minnesota. He's been
26:50
Speaker 2: hunting with the White Tailed DNA team and Alex Comstock
26:53
Speaker 2: up there. Man, what's been going on?
26:56
Speaker 4: Oh, not a whole lot, Tit's I've been pretty slow. Actually,
27:00
Speaker 4: are mature bucks are kind of mi I A we
27:02
Speaker 4: actually just had one show up the other day. But
27:05
Speaker 4: for the most part, we're just sitting in spots waiting
27:08
Speaker 4: for those boys to show up.
27:10
Speaker 5: Yeah are they?
27:12
Speaker 2: So? Are those big mature bucks you when you say
27:14
Speaker 2: showing up you're mean on camera?
27:16
Speaker 5: I guess right, yeah, pretty much, or we're the mouth.
27:19
Speaker 2: I guess Okay, sure.
27:21
Speaker 5: So we're in a suburban setting, so you'll talk around.
27:25
Speaker 2: Here, yeah, man, I mean people are seeing that. There's joggers,
27:28
Speaker 2: there's bickers, all of it. Man, So sure sure yeah.
27:33
Speaker 2: So as far as as far as the camera data goes,
27:37
Speaker 2: are those deers showing up in daylight? Ah?
27:41
Speaker 5: Not yet so far.
27:42
Speaker 4: I think we're so are we're blocked up in our city.
27:47
Speaker 4: We're giving sections, so we're only able to hunt so far.
27:50
Speaker 4: And some of these big mature bucks are smart, you know,
27:53
Speaker 4: and they pulled off in the spots that you can't hunt.
27:56
Speaker 5: And then once we get closer.
27:57
Speaker 4: To the middle of October November, they're going to start growing.
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Speaker 5: Up in those spots where we can hunt.
28:03
Speaker 4: Right now, we're getting them, yeah right, we're getting them
28:05
Speaker 4: after dark right now?
28:07
Speaker 2: Gotcha? So what what patterns are you hunting them on?
28:11
Speaker 2: Are you just hoping that you can get as close
28:13
Speaker 2: to bedding as possible, or are you sitting near feed
28:15
Speaker 2: of some sort or what?
28:17
Speaker 5: Yeah, right now we're sitting pretty close to feed.
28:19
Speaker 4: We're still, like pretty much mostly everybody in the Midwest.
28:22
Speaker 5: Hunting food to bed.
28:23
Speaker 4: We're just trying to get in between those bucks and
28:26
Speaker 4: just hoping for a hail Mary. Right now, one of
28:29
Speaker 4: our teammates is on a pretty good one, and so
28:32
Speaker 4: he's on.
28:34
Speaker 2: I guess is the what's the feed that you're you have?
28:40
Speaker 4: Uh, we got acorns, we have apples.
28:45
Speaker 5: Sometimes the deer, you know, going to people's gardens.
28:47
Speaker 4: So if you can set up close to as close
28:50
Speaker 4: as you can to people's houses, I mean, that's where
28:52
Speaker 4: the deer is trying to go.
28:54
Speaker 2: Gotcha. Okay, So as far as like the you know,
29:00
Speaker 2: shoot a deer in that situation, does it ever make
29:02
Speaker 2: you nervous?
29:03
Speaker 7: Yeah?
29:04
Speaker 5: It does, for sure. For sure. You try.
29:07
Speaker 4: That's what the whole summer is, trying to make the
29:09
Speaker 4: most ethical shot and make the most when it happens.
29:13
Speaker 2: Yeah, I bet man. So, you know, when I talked
29:16
Speaker 2: to you first before we were on air here, you
29:19
Speaker 2: mentioned that it's kind of rainy up there. I guess
29:21
Speaker 2: it's been kind of rainy. Has that been kind of
29:25
Speaker 2: the conditions last week?
29:28
Speaker 5: Uh?
29:28
Speaker 4: I know they've actually been pretty hot, which is probably
29:32
Speaker 4: why those bucks are staying after.
29:34
Speaker 5: Dark two before they're getting up out of their beds.
29:36
Speaker 2: So do you think this weather will change things?
29:40
Speaker 5: Yeah?
29:40
Speaker 4: For sure, because I'm looking at next week, it's supposed
29:42
Speaker 4: to temperature supposed to drop into the sixties, so that
29:46
Speaker 4: should get.
29:46
Speaker 5: Those deer moving earlier.
29:48
Speaker 2: Okay, So you so if you were going to be
29:51
Speaker 2: hunting next week, or say you're gonna you're going to hunt,
29:55
Speaker 2: are you hunting the same patterns essentially hunting apple trees,
29:58
Speaker 2: ach and trees, those kind of things, and trying to
30:01
Speaker 2: still hope that those bucks are just getting up on
30:03
Speaker 2: their feet earlier, but you're you know, ending up in
30:05
Speaker 2: the in those spots before dark hits.
30:10
Speaker 5: Yeah for sure, for sure.
30:11
Speaker 4: I'm also going off of a historical data. I know
30:14
Speaker 4: where these for the most part. I mean, it's a
30:16
Speaker 4: deer can go wherever it wants.
30:18
Speaker 5: But going off historical data, those deer they're bound to
30:21
Speaker 5: move through my area. I just got to be there
30:23
Speaker 5: at the right place at the right time, right.
30:25
Speaker 4: So this, like you said, this next week is looking
30:28
Speaker 4: a lot better than it did opening.
30:29
Speaker 2: Week, gotcha. Okay, So if you if you had to
30:33
Speaker 2: rate it on a scale of one to ten as
30:34
Speaker 2: far as buck movement goes in the next week, based
30:37
Speaker 2: off of any variables you can think of, what would
30:40
Speaker 2: you what would you give it?
30:42
Speaker 5: I would go probably solid five.
30:45
Speaker 2: Okay, that's good man. You know five was my number
30:48
Speaker 2: in high school, So I'm cool with that. You know, awesome, dude. Well,
30:53
Speaker 2: I appreciate the information, Garrett, and I hope that those
30:55
Speaker 2: big bucks show up for you next week.
30:58
Speaker 5: All right, me too, man, say yeah, yeah.
31:03
Speaker 3: Those are some fantastic reports from around the country, some
31:06
Speaker 3: real information for you to use and to get you
31:08
Speaker 3: hop about the upcoming days.
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Speaker 2: Thank you so much for listening.
31:12
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31:13
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31:17
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31:20
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31:23
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31:25
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31:26
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31:30
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31:30
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31:33
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