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Credlin | 16 April · Credlin

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Speaker 1: Peter Cudland Live on Sky News Australia.
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Speaker 2: We don't mind Chris Kenny, I reckon those two blokes
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Speaker 2: on Thursday night, just kick off the weekend and one
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Speaker 2: of my favorite things we put to wear good evening. Everyone,
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Speaker 2: welcome to the show. He's what's coming up tonight on Predline.
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Speaker 2: It couldn't happened at a worse time that massive fire
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Speaker 2: at the Geelong refinery. One of my family members used
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Speaker 2: to work there, so I've got a bit of the
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Speaker 2: inside juice on what happened and what likely will happen
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Speaker 2: from here on in.
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Speaker 3: There is talk of fuel rationing.
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Speaker 2: A massive win too for single sex spaces as the
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Speaker 2: Federal Court upholds the appeal of a lesbian group. They
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Speaker 2: simply want their meetings to be just for that biological
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Speaker 2: women attracted to biological women. I'll speak to one of
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Speaker 2: the organizers behind the case and see if it's going
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Speaker 2: to give others hope. Like sel Grover class on the
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Speaker 2: hustings with the One Nation candidate for the seat of Pharaoh,
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Speaker 2: David Farley. Now you've heard what the farmers have had
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Speaker 2: to say. That reckon, he's got a good handshake. Matters
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Speaker 2: in the bush. Let me tell you, and the reaction
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Speaker 2: on the around when locals many well, that tells me
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Speaker 2: is in the hunt and an increase to our defense
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Speaker 2: spending today announced by Richard Marl.
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Speaker 3: But is it what he would have us believe.
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Speaker 4: What we've seen so far is it's an exercise in
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Speaker 4: creative accounting.
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Speaker 3: Not wrong. I'll get to that in a moment.
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Speaker 2: But first astray as fuel woes deepened today with a
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Speaker 2: big fire and one of our two only remaining refineries.
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Speaker 2: This is Geelong's Viva refinery, which normally supplies about ten
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Speaker 2: percent of our fuel needs, well to be precise, ten
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Speaker 2: percent of Australia's liquid fuels, but around fifty percent of
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Speaker 2: Victoria's petrol supply, and it's the petrol part of the
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Speaker 2: plant today that was on fire. The Blazer was reportedly
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Speaker 2: caused by a leak, perhaps resulting from maintenance changes arising
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Speaker 2: from the increased production tempo in the fuel crisis. And
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Speaker 2: while some production will reportedly can continue because of repairs,
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Speaker 2: are we further disruptions to petrol and avgas meaning we'll
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Speaker 2: need to secure even more of a supply from overseas, where,
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Speaker 2: says Chris Bowen, the PM's playing a blinder.
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Speaker 5: Of course, we are not for one second relaxing our
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Speaker 5: efforts to ensure security of fuel supply. That's why the
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Speaker 5: Prime Minister's been in Singapore is currently on.
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Speaker 1: His way back.
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Speaker 6: He played an absolute blinder.
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Speaker 3: I give me a break.
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Speaker 2: There's no end to this man's capacity for self delusion. First,
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Speaker 2: the whole fuel crisis, he said, was a right wing conspiracy.
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Speaker 2: Then we were told get out there, spend hundreds of
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Speaker 2: thousands by yourself in ev Then came advice to ditch
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Speaker 2: the roof racks and drive more smoothly. Well, clearly they
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Speaker 2: haven't seen the state of our pothole roads in Victoria.
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Speaker 2: But worst of all was the continued insistence by Bowen that.
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Speaker 3: We need to double down in renewals.
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Speaker 2: This is what this is about, doubling down on renewables,
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Speaker 2: even though it's the fossil fuels that the pms on
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Speaker 2: this Asian tour begging for more.
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Speaker 5: There isn't one country in the world that said, you
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Speaker 5: know what this fuel crisis reminds us is we need
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Speaker 5: more fossil fuels. In fact, our countries around the world
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Speaker 5: are saying this underpins and underlines the need to keep
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Speaker 5: going with things like electrification and ensuring renewable energy.
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Speaker 2: If being a goose was an Olympic sport, that Bloke
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Speaker 2: would be a gold medallist. Meanwhile, the US blockade of
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Speaker 2: Iranian ports short term will make global fuel supplies even
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Speaker 2: more precarious. The Iranian blockade of the Straits was virtually
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Speaker 2: stopping fuel coming from Iraqata and the UAE. Now there's
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Speaker 2: a US blockade in place that will stop fuel coming
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Speaker 2: from Iran as well. President Trump's aim sensible enough, is
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Speaker 2: to strangle the Iranian theocracy's finances worse than their economic
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Speaker 2: crisis inside Iran force their hand. But in the short term,
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Speaker 2: the pressure on global fuel stocks gets worse, so supplies
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Speaker 2: here will get less certain and more expensive. Now it's
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Speaker 2: hard to overestimate just how disruptive this could all get
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Speaker 2: because quite literally, you know, Australia runs on diesel. Now
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Speaker 2: with all of this chaos, is think would be having
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Speaker 2: national cabinet meetings weekly to drive change, but we're not. Instead,
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Speaker 2: even the States have given up on globe trotting elbow
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Speaker 2: when they are going it alone, just as they did
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Speaker 2: which wasn't great during COVID Queensland. Will they want to
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Speaker 2: drill for oil in the Tarum Trough as they should.
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Speaker 2: WA's Labor government had just started to create their own
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Speaker 2: fuel reserve, buying up four million letters of diesel this week.
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Speaker 2: Now the new South wales Men's government's looking to do
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Speaker 2: about the same. Now, how about the Prime Minister spend
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Speaker 2: some time behind his desk and on the phone sorting
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Speaker 2: this mess out, focused on the things that are you
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Speaker 2: can actually control here in our own country, like drilling
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Speaker 2: for oil and building the storage capacity we just don't have,
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Speaker 2: rather than flying overseas for little more than these photo opportunities.
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Speaker 2: I mean, is it any wonder our country's going downhill?
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Speaker 3: Fast?
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Speaker 2: And tonight my final report from the critical seat of Farah.
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Speaker 2: That will be the first electoral test for the new
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Speaker 2: coalition leadership team of Angers Taylor and Matt Canavan blas
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Speaker 2: the first federal test for one nation since it established
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Speaker 2: pole parity with the National Liberals in recent months. Remember,
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Speaker 2: there is no Labor candidate in the race, so the
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Speaker 2: effective Labour candidate, certainly the candidate on the left is
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Speaker 2: the teal masquerading as an independent Michelle Milthorpe, who remind
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Speaker 2: you didn't want to speak to sky viewers this week
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Speaker 2: Now she insists that she's not part of the overall
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Speaker 2: teal movement, which itself insists is.
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Speaker 3: Not a political party.
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Speaker 2: Yet Climber two hundred that's bankrolled all the tills is
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Speaker 2: bankrolling Milthorpe out right now to try and raise her
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Speaker 2: one million dollars to win the seat.
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Speaker 3: Now, given the biggest.
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Speaker 2: Electric issue in Farah is water, and the tials always
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Speaker 2: put environmental water ahead of farm water, why would the
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Speaker 2: people of Parah want to jeopardize their own future by
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Speaker 2: electing someone who doesn't put farming first. The fact that
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Speaker 2: Get Up is now hitting the seat hard to pump
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Speaker 2: up Millthorpe's tires should tell you everything you need to
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Speaker 2: know about her politics. As always, the big question for
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Speaker 2: voters is whether to support a party of government or
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Speaker 2: a party of protest. Now I can absolutely understand why
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Speaker 2: once rusted on coalition voters are unhappy. The last coalition
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Speaker 2: government was a big disappointment to put it mildly, especially
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Speaker 2: with the revolving door of the Prime ministership and Peter
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Speaker 2: Dardin Well he was in the box seat to beat
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Speaker 2: Albert Easy six months out from the election, but blew it,
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Speaker 2: and then the Liberals picked a manager, not a warrior,
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Speaker 2: and Susan Lee as their leader and she was hopeless.
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Speaker 2: So it's no wonder that one nation's vote has surged.
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Speaker 2: But with Canavan and Taylor at the helm, things are different,
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Speaker 2: different enough to hold back the one nation wave.
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Speaker 3: We'll see, we'll see.
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Speaker 2: This is the sea that I guarantee will come down
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Speaker 2: to complex preference flows on the night.
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Speaker 3: So to say it'll be interesting, well that's an understatement.
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Speaker 3: Whatever you do.
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Speaker 2: If you live in Farah, I would just encourage you
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Speaker 2: to put that green left teal last, All right, let's
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Speaker 2: go to Camper for the headline. Skinny's political reporter Riven Spargo.
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Speaker 7: A fire of Australia's two oil refineries is expected to
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Speaker 7: impact petrol production. The Blazer Viva Energies Toelong plant is
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Speaker 7: now extinguished. Authorities confirmed the fire, which broke out late
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Speaker 7: last night, was likely caused by equipment failure.
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Speaker 5: We've got somewhere to go to work at the full impact. Obviously,
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Speaker 5: this is not a great step forward.
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Speaker 7: The refinery supplies ten percent of Australia's fuel. The Alberanezi
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Speaker 7: government is facing accusations of creative accounting after pledging to
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Speaker 7: increased defense spending by fifty three billion dollars. Spending will
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Speaker 7: rise to three percent of GDP by twenty thirty three,
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Speaker 7: but only by redefining how that figure is calculated.
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Speaker 2: And so we're using the NATO measure, which is how
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Speaker 2: you compare apples with apples.
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Speaker 4: Is it's an exercise in creative accounting. Well, creative accounting
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Speaker 4: does not defend a single Australia.
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Speaker 7: Even with the boost, Australia's plan still falls short of
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Speaker 7: expectations set by the Trump administration. Australia will be delay
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Speaker 7: it an extra one hundred million liters of diesel after
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Speaker 7: the government secured commitments from Brunei and South Korea. Anthony
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Speaker 7: Alberinezi announced the deal alongside Malaysia's Prime Minister. That fuel
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Speaker 7: will be delivered in two separate shipments.
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Speaker 2: Jody my Panels going is contributed at Carolee Kats and
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Speaker 2: Barnas and One Nation Chief of Staff James Ashby, welcome
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Speaker 2: to you both. I'll start with fuel. We heard there, Karalie.
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Speaker 2: Thankfully that massive fire at the Geelong refineries out couldn't
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Speaker 2: have come at a worse time, though it's going to
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Speaker 2: hit unlettered particularly hard in Victoria.
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Speaker 3: It's half of Victoria's petrol supply.
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Speaker 2: So if you're sitting at home you haven't filled up
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Speaker 2: your tank, I'd get out there and fill it up.
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Speaker 2: Things will need to be reassessed pretty fast. And I
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Speaker 2: hate to say it, I reckon fuel rationing at least
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Speaker 2: in Victoria is on its way.
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Speaker 8: Well I think it probably is, Peter. The other thing
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Speaker 8: is this is responsible for, as you said, fifty percent
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Speaker 8: of Victoria's fuel, but also ten percent of Australia's. There's
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Speaker 8: only one other working refinery in Brisbane. But the thing
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Speaker 8: is the government is always behind the eight ball. It's
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Speaker 8: always behind the eight ball. You've got the Prime Minister
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Speaker 8: has now flown to Malaysia running around trying to get fuel.
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Speaker 3: We also don't know.
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Speaker 8: That the fuel that he says that he's secured, whether
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Speaker 8: that was on its way anyway. What I would have
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Speaker 8: liked to have seen is a four point plan.
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Speaker 3: Not that ad that.
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Speaker 8: You beautifully covered on the show this week, but a
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Speaker 8: four point plan is to what we're going to do
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Speaker 8: in the future to actually invest in Australia and make
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Speaker 8: sure that we don't just have two refineries. You know,
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Speaker 8: we've now got one off flying where's the plan so
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Speaker 8: that we're not in this position again flying to Malaysia
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Speaker 8: and Brunei and things that's not really.
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Speaker 3: Doing any good.
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Speaker 8: We need to invest in this country, James.
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Speaker 2: Let's demystify this for people at home, because you and
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Speaker 2: I know exactly what's going on in Canberra. The Prime
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Speaker 2: Minister's done none of these deals. They were done with
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Speaker 2: the bureaucrats and the commercial players in the market. They
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Speaker 2: were done long before the Prime Minister gets on the pane,
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Speaker 2: because you don't want to fly all that way and
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Speaker 2: get embarrassed if the deal falls over. So the deals
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Speaker 2: are done in Australia, Why couldn't we just have the
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Speaker 2: announcement in Australia? Yeah, why can't we just have this
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Speaker 2: done remotely so that things like as I said tonight,
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Speaker 2: the National Cabinet can go on. Right now, we've got
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Speaker 2: all the states going at alone because they don't even
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Speaker 2: trust the Prime Minister's got to handle on this.
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Speaker 9: No, and I think long term it's not just going
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Speaker 9: to be fuel that the states will go it alone
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Speaker 9: on because as you rightfully put, there's now two states
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Speaker 9: Wa and New South Wales have said, look, we don't
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Speaker 9: trust what this federal government are doing, and their Labor
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Speaker 9: Party members they're just on a state level.
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Speaker 1: They've both got huge.
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Speaker 9: Mining and agricultural industries that are heavily reliant, let alone
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Speaker 9: the trucking industry and our freight that gets around on trains.
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Speaker 9: I really think we have lost our way when we
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Speaker 9: have nationalized the schemes, whether it come to our electricity
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Speaker 9: or fuels, and I think that's the path we're going
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Speaker 9: to have to go. I know we've got the National
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Speaker 9: Energy Guarantee there which all states participate, but then when
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Speaker 9: you have events like this where fuel supplies fall over,
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Speaker 9: of course you're going to play protectionist and look after
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Speaker 9: your own state first. So good on those states for saying, well,
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Speaker 9: if the Prime Minister is not going to do it,
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Speaker 9: we will. It's time we really take a good hard
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Speaker 9: look at where this country is going under Chris bar
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Speaker 9: and I've got no confidence that we're going to have
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Speaker 9: adequate fuel security moving forward, let alone energy security, and yeah,
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Speaker 9: maybe it is time we go alone. I'm all for
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Speaker 9: that because I need security here in my state of
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Speaker 9: Queensland when it comes to keeping the lights on and
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Speaker 9: making sure those minds continue operating. I know there's been
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Speaker 9: contingency meetings held today in coal mines here in central Queensland,
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Speaker 9: because some of the staff told me that they were
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Speaker 9: heading into them at nine o'clock this morning.
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Speaker 2: And look, there's nothing to stop us right now building
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Speaker 2: the storage facilities, even if we haven't got the fuel
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Speaker 2: to put it in. Hopefully we get through this crisis.
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Speaker 2: They're there, they're built, the lands acquired, everything's ready to go.
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Speaker 2: We can put the fuel in. But they're not doing
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Speaker 2: any of that. But they are paying the bureaucrats a
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Speaker 2: lot of money eight hundred thousand dollars to run an department,
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Speaker 2: up to a million a year. It's over a million
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Speaker 2: if you're the head of Prime Minister in cabinet. It's
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Speaker 2: a million if you're the head of Treasury. This is
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Speaker 2: just the tip of the iceberg. Now sure politicians, the
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Speaker 2: pe and the Opposition leader they are half that amount.
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Speaker 2: But this is really out of step, and this is
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Speaker 2: what I think is forcing the so called Independent Renumeration
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Speaker 2: Tribunal to do a review. Fair enough, but what about
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Speaker 2: this renovation renovation of the Reserve Bank offices in Sydney
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Speaker 2: Caroley one point two b billion.
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Speaker 8: Dollars one point two billion dollars, where would that go?
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Speaker 8: And of course, as we know, this has been delayed
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Speaker 8: till twenty twenty nine because the RBA Martin place in
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Speaker 8: Sydney was full of asbestos and concrete cancer and they're
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Speaker 8: in other premises one point two billion dollars. The renovation
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Speaker 8: doesn't need to be done. The building needs to be
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Speaker 8: pulled down. They can go somewhere else storage.
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Speaker 3: Well, there you go.
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Speaker 8: But also in terms of the salaries, when you've got
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Speaker 8: people earning nearly ten times the average Australian salary, they
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Speaker 8: are forgetting that this is our money. It's a taxpayer
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Speaker 8: funded job. There should be not a taxpayer funded job
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Speaker 8: that is one million dollars. And you know, can I
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Speaker 8: remind you look at the Bureau of Meteorology The initial
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Speaker 8: website cost was two million dollars. That blew out to
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Speaker 8: ninety six and a half million dollars. And they still
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Speaker 8: never forgot it right. And they seem to think that
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Speaker 8: this money is just to be thrown away like confetti.
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Speaker 8: I don't want to insult the remuneration tribunal, but they're
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Speaker 8: not exactly going to not find an increase and I,
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Speaker 8: you know, and it's up to I think, you know
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Speaker 8: independence and David Pocock brought it up. He's actually called
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Speaker 8: the common sense on this that these salaries are far
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Speaker 8: too high and it's not their money, it's our money
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Speaker 8: as taxpayers.
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Speaker 2: James, one of the seats that you won at the
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Speaker 2: recent stuff Australian election is headed for a recount because
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Speaker 2: someone found there were six hundred ballots not counted. But
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Speaker 2: correct me if I'm wrong. The seat's been declared. So
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Speaker 2: even if all those votes went against you, your candidate
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Speaker 2: who's now been declared as the MP, well that can't
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Speaker 2: be overturned.
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Speaker 9: Well, it doesn't give me much confidence in our electoral commissions,
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Speaker 9: to be honest, Peter. We've had this time and time
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Speaker 9: again through different election cycles. You would think that the
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Speaker 9: process would only get easier as modern technology improves, But no,
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Speaker 9: for some reason. Look, I only heard earlier that they
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Speaker 9: found about eighty one ballots. Now you're telling me there's
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Speaker 9: six hundred. That's even more concerning. Look, it has been declared.
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Speaker 9: They're suggesting that if those ballots are counted and there's
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Speaker 9: a different outcome, it might end up in the Court
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Speaker 9: of Disputed Returns at the end of the day. That's
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Speaker 9: the last place. I want to see it go, but
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Speaker 9: it doesn't give me much confidence in every other seat
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Speaker 9: as well. How many times has this happened? Is it
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Speaker 9: just this one? It's very convenient. I just I don't
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Speaker 9: like the way it's headed and there needs to be
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Speaker 9: a real hard look. There should be a solid investigation
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Speaker 9: in South Australia to determine whether the Electoral Commission are
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Speaker 9: up to the job. And look, I'd be honest here,
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Speaker 9: I think someone's head's got a roll. I think someone
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Speaker 9: needs sacking over this. But those usual bureaucrats just keep
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Speaker 9: their jobs regardless of what the outcome is.
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Speaker 1: It's real sad.
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Speaker 2: Well, they might be moved away from the Electoral Commission,
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Speaker 2: but they'll pop up somewhere else.
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Speaker 3: That's what they do.
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Speaker 2: But I will say again is another reason why you
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Speaker 2: need good reviews of the electoral system. I still maintain
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Speaker 2: we have to have an electronic role so we can
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Speaker 2: strike people off when they vote. And I want to
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Speaker 2: see ID. I really want to see ID when people vote.
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Speaker 2: Chris Bowen's own department, Climate Change and Energy carely in
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Speaker 2: a bit of trouble because they're all about the environment.
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Speaker 2: Now they've had to admit well, we've talked about this
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Speaker 2: for years, but they've had to emit. Not only can't
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Speaker 2: you recycle the wind turbines and the solar panels, but
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Speaker 2: when you try and put them into landfill they leach
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Speaker 2: out toxic chemicals.
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Speaker 3: Exactly.
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Speaker 8: They've only got a twenty year lifespan. And there seems
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Speaker 8: to have been a lot of money put into this
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Speaker 8: scheme and not much to rolling it out for recyclables,
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Speaker 8: but not much money into thought of decommissioning it as well.
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Speaker 8: Materials that are being used overseas making this are not
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Speaker 8: recyclable and there is so much waste. I mean, you
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Speaker 8: know they want to decommission power stations. A power station
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Speaker 8: is there for hundreds of years. It's not actually using
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Speaker 8: a lot of agricultural arable land, is it. But all
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Speaker 8: these solar panels. It's ridiculous. And also with Chris Bowen,
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Speaker 8: he's actually a huge part of the problem. You've got
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Speaker 8: the Prime Minister going up trying to secure fossil fuels
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Speaker 8: and fuel and he's denying that we need them. He's
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Speaker 8: out of step with everything. He is one of the
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Speaker 8: biggest problems to Australia's power supply.
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Speaker 2: James I was up in far on the weekend. As
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Speaker 2: you know, we talk to farmers on the air on Tuesday,
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Speaker 2: and aren't we had the live in the NAT candidates
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Speaker 2: last night. Your bloke's in the gun tonight. I've got
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Speaker 2: a package of David out and about in the seat.
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Speaker 3: You know.
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Speaker 2: Well, I'll make the point. I think he's competitive. He's
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Speaker 2: absolutely competitive. If anything, the reception on the ground confirmed
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Speaker 2: my gut feel. But this is really tipped it for me.
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Speaker 2: This ad. When the left start to go after you,
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Speaker 2: you know you're making headway.
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Speaker 1: Have a look every time you fill out. You're paying
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Speaker 1: the price for Trump's war in I run, cost.
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Speaker 10: A fertilizer has small than doubled.
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Speaker 1: So what does one nation.
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Speaker 11: Say about it?
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Speaker 12: Must put what Trump's done.
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Speaker 8: I knew oil prices would go up if.
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Speaker 3: I did this.
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Speaker 12: Yes, I support what he's done.
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Speaker 8: When oil prices go up, we make a lot of money.
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Speaker 12: I congratulate Senator Trump and the United States.
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Speaker 2: Well, the proofs she's a teal, doesn't it if a
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Speaker 2: willing out get up as a hit squad, she's a teal?
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Speaker 9: Yeah yeah, yeah, But I too support Trump in his
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Speaker 9: decision to go after radical Islam. That's precisely what this
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Speaker 9: was about. You know, this was a country and a
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Speaker 9: regime that was not just you know, holding Israel to hostage,
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Speaker 9: but so many other Islamic countries that border them as well,
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Speaker 9: and you know they've been sponsoring terrorism right across the globe.
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Speaker 9: So of course we support what Trump did there. The
19:21
Speaker 9: consequence of what has occurred is what the problem we're
19:24
Speaker 9: all facing now. But the desperation here from get Up,
19:28
Speaker 9: you know, the left have funded this.
19:30
Speaker 1: You've just got to have a look at Millthorpe's campaign.
19:32
Speaker 9: She's been supported by those unions that would otherwise be
19:35
Speaker 9: supporting labor. Now she's got get Up on side that
19:38
Speaker 9: have raised half a million dollars. She's raised, you quote,
19:42
Speaker 9: the sum of about a million dollars. So when you
19:46
Speaker 9: have a look at this, she's spending a multimillion dollar
19:49
Speaker 9: campaign and we will only know where the money came
19:51
Speaker 9: from after the election.
19:53
Speaker 1: She hasn't been upfront with people.
19:54
Speaker 9: Oh yeah, they're running scared because David Farley, who's our
19:57
Speaker 9: candidate there in Parah, is sitting at forty one percent
20:02
Speaker 9: according to Yukom's in the latest poll. So that's a
20:04
Speaker 9: big strong primary vote, which with preferences if they come
20:08
Speaker 9: our way from the Nationals and Liberals should put him
20:11
Speaker 9: in the box seat to wind because his only competition
20:15
Speaker 9: is Milthorpe, who was a green dressed in teal and
20:19
Speaker 9: now parading around in orange for some reason, trying to
20:22
Speaker 9: distance herself from that teal color. So be very cautious
20:26
Speaker 9: on the piling booth. Orange should represent one nation only,
20:29
Speaker 9: not a teal, not a fake teal. David Farley all
20:32
Speaker 9: the way, Good on you, David.
20:35
Speaker 2: We'll see it, correct Beer. Is it about a week
20:37
Speaker 2: now before we have pre poll?
20:41
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's right.
20:42
Speaker 9: Yeah, So it's all hands on deck and I think
20:46
Speaker 9: we'll be We've got a very very strong campaign team.
20:49
Speaker 9: There's over five hundred T shirts that have already gone
20:52
Speaker 9: out and they put another order in for another five
20:54
Speaker 9: hundred for volunteers. So expect a big wave of orange
20:58
Speaker 9: come election day in that seat of Faris to be enormous.
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Speaker 3: All right, leave it there, Thank you to you both.
21:03
Speaker 3: Have a great weekend.
21:05
Speaker 2: Let's go down to the government's defense announcement today. Fourteen
21:08
Speaker 2: billion dollars they tell us over four years as a boost,
21:12
Speaker 2: and a total of fifty three billion over the next decade.
21:16
Speaker 2: Which is three elections away. The Defense Minister Richard Marles
21:20
Speaker 2: says this will take defense spending to three percent of
21:23
Speaker 2: GDP in NATO terms by twenty thirty three, but that's
21:28
Speaker 2: still short of the US request to live spending to
21:30
Speaker 2: three point five percent of GDP.
21:33
Speaker 3: Let's unpack it now with someone who can read through
21:35
Speaker 3: the spin.
21:36
Speaker 2: The Australians Foreign editor Greg Sheridan greet you called it
21:40
Speaker 2: today pop gun defense. I call it mickey mouse accounting.
21:45
Speaker 2: Talk us through what's real and what's imaginary here.
21:50
Speaker 13: Well, Peter, it's great to be with you. Look, this
21:53
Speaker 13: is really a disgraceful day. These documents demonstrate that the
21:58
Speaker 13: Albanese government is absolutely lutely uninterested in national security. This
22:03
Speaker 13: is smoke and mirror's folder role and it's the four
22:08
Speaker 13: card tricks. So just to run through a bit of it,
22:10
Speaker 13: we spend two point zero eight percent of GDP on
22:14
Speaker 13: defense today, about the same as it was when Alberanesi
22:18
Speaker 13: came into government. In the course of Alberanese's government, inflation
22:22
Speaker 13: was higher than had been predicted in defense documents, so
22:25
Speaker 13: in fact, the purchasing power of defense has been eroded.
22:29
Speaker 13: Now Miles claims that our current spending of two point
22:33
Speaker 13: zero eight percent of GDP if you include all the
22:36
Speaker 13: things that he alleges NATO nations include in their defense,
22:40
Speaker 13: like national police forces and so on, is really two
22:43
Speaker 13: point eight percent. Then he says we're going to get
22:46
Speaker 13: all the way up to three percent by twenty thirty three.
22:50
Speaker 13: So that means, in this dire strategic environment, with all
22:54
Speaker 13: of the things the government tells us, we're going to
22:56
Speaker 13: increase over the next seven years our defense spending by
23:00
Speaker 13: zero point two percent of GNP. But wait, there's more.
23:03
Speaker 13: Five billion dollars of the fourteen billion dollars it's supposed
23:07
Speaker 13: to come in the forward estimates is actually private sector finance. Now,
23:12
Speaker 13: you know, the Defense Department has always got the private
23:14
Speaker 13: sector to build buildings and so on, but they've never
23:17
Speaker 13: before counted that as part of their defense budget. And
23:21
Speaker 13: then you know, there are just so many As you know, Peter,
23:25
Speaker 13: this is a government dedicated to obfiscation and stopping you
23:29
Speaker 13: from getting information, and there are so many black holes
23:32
Speaker 13: in these documents. I would say it constitutes that best,
23:36
Speaker 13: a marginal increase in defense and a small investment in drones,
23:41
Speaker 13: which they've been dragged kicking and screaming against their wills to.
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Speaker 3: Make Yeah, it was interesting.
23:48
Speaker 2: I caught it with mckryan, the former general a while back,
23:51
Speaker 2: and he said, you know, he had been going over
23:53
Speaker 2: to Ukraine twice every year since the world started and
23:56
Speaker 2: comes back to Australia and he briefs our guys in
23:59
Speaker 2: camp and says, we're not nimble enough. Look what they're
24:02
Speaker 2: doing over here, you know, speaking defense language to them
24:05
Speaker 2: about how they are operating in a really low cost
24:09
Speaker 2: environment with these drones. But they are now really at
24:12
Speaker 2: the forefront of modern warfare, kinetic warfare. And it's and
24:17
Speaker 2: we were told, obviously back in October last year there'd
24:20
Speaker 2: be some sort of review. We've just announced some expenditure
24:23
Speaker 2: in this area. But why does it take us three
24:26
Speaker 2: years to move the defense you know, mothership about three
24:30
Speaker 2: degrees around the corner. If we're ever at war, we're
24:34
Speaker 2: just not going to be fast enough, nimble enough. And
24:37
Speaker 2: don't even get me started about getting young people to
24:40
Speaker 2: want to sign up about the event. After the events
24:42
Speaker 2: of the last couple of weeks.
24:44
Speaker 13: Well, you're absolutely right, Peter, I mean, this is just
24:47
Speaker 13: a national disgrace. There'll be Harvard Business School studies in
24:50
Speaker 13: how not to do policy about Australian national defense. So
24:55
Speaker 13: a few years ago the Albernese government decided not to
24:58
Speaker 13: purchase missiles for defense, patriots and so on. Now it's
25:02
Speaker 13: decided in this document that it will do that after all.
25:05
Speaker 13: But guess what, the queue has just got about five
25:08
Speaker 13: miles longer and the supply has just got about five
25:10
Speaker 13: miles shorter. So by not doing it four years ago,
25:14
Speaker 13: god knows when we're going to get those missiles. But
25:16
Speaker 13: look at the drones now. The government is calling things
25:20
Speaker 13: like ghost bat and ghost Shark, which are really big
25:22
Speaker 13: unmanned aircraft and big unmanned underwater vessels. They're useful things
25:27
Speaker 13: to do, but the government is calling them drones, and
25:29
Speaker 13: that's where the majority of its drone expenditure is going.
25:32
Speaker 13: But modern warfare, as McK ryan said to you, is
25:36
Speaker 13: defined by small, cheap, swarming drones. Now, the government's defenders say, well,
25:41
Speaker 13: we're you know, we're a big country, We're a long
25:44
Speaker 13: way away. You've got to have range in our drones.
25:48
Speaker 13: But those Iranian Shaheed drones, which cost thirty thousand bucks
25:53
Speaker 13: each to make, they have a range of two thousand kilometers.
25:56
Speaker 13: Now imagine if we had two thousand or twenty thousand
26:01
Speaker 13: equivalent Shaheed drones scattered around northern Australia. Any potential aggressive
26:08
Speaker 13: that got within two thousand kilometers of Australia would have
26:11
Speaker 13: to take that into account. We know for sure that
26:15
Speaker 13: Chinese will be able to deploy the equivalent of these
26:18
Speaker 13: from two thousand miles away from our shore. And only
26:22
Speaker 13: now in this document are we beginning to spend a
26:26
Speaker 13: couple of dollars on any kind of drone capacity of
26:30
Speaker 13: that kind whatsoever. But you still can't see. The documents
26:34
Speaker 13: are so opaq. You can't see what we're going to
26:37
Speaker 13: buy when we're going to buy it. And it looks
26:39
Speaker 13: like the expenditure is backloaded again. So next year we'll
26:43
Speaker 13: have roughly the same percentage of GDP going to defenses
26:47
Speaker 13: we've got this year now, Males, you know, he does
26:50
Speaker 13: a good Winston Churchill impersonation in his retrick. He's telling
26:53
Speaker 13: us how much China is spending on defense and how
26:56
Speaker 13: dangerous it is, more nations in conflict than ever since
27:00
Speaker 13: World War Two, long supply lines, and he's doing almost
27:04
Speaker 13: nothing about it.
27:08
Speaker 2: It was interesting that he used the China word because
27:11
Speaker 2: it's been kryptonite for some time with Labor. We saw
27:14
Speaker 2: that today. I'll leave it there now, Greg, but thank you.
27:17
Speaker 2: I will read your columns to The Australian with interest
27:19
Speaker 2: over the weekend as all this gets pulled apart all right.
27:22
Speaker 2: After the break, we'll return to Farah, We'll catch up
27:25
Speaker 2: with One Nation's David Farley, and I'll be interested in
27:29
Speaker 2: how you read him out amongst real people after the.
27:33
Speaker 3: Break, Welcome back.
27:38
Speaker 2: Still to become a massive women in the battle to
27:40
Speaker 2: defend women's spaces in Australia, but it could have ramifications
27:44
Speaker 2: for others. Sel Graver's one I'm thinking you've heard. But
27:48
Speaker 2: first you've heard from the farmers of Farar. You've heard
27:50
Speaker 2: from the Nats and Liberals too. Well, tonight you're gonna
27:53
Speaker 2: hear from the man who could cause a real upset,
27:55
Speaker 2: One Nation's David Farley. Up until recently, critics claimed One
28:05
Speaker 2: Nation's big rise in the polls wouldn't turn up in
28:08
Speaker 2: seats in an election, but South Australia proved them wrong
28:11
Speaker 2: after the party managed to win seven and come close
28:14
Speaker 2: to ending up the official opposition. Now the big test
28:18
Speaker 2: is Farer and a seat in the House of Representatives.
28:21
Speaker 2: And the two top contenders couldn't be more different. Despite
28:26
Speaker 2: a loss last May, Clibor two hundred back to teal
28:29
Speaker 2: Michelle Milthorpe or She's back for another attempt and looking
28:33
Speaker 2: to steal the march from her is One Nation candidate
28:37
Speaker 2: David Farley. I put in numerous requests to speak with Milthorpe,
28:42
Speaker 2: but she wasn't available at any time over the weekend,
28:46
Speaker 2: so I thought I'd head out to catch up with
28:48
Speaker 2: One Nation candidate David Farley, who was spending his saturdays
28:52
Speaker 2: speaking with operators at a local Blighty dairy just outside
28:56
Speaker 2: of the town of Findley. If it wasn't apparent all
28:59
Speaker 2: ready on the ground, the rise of One Nation is
29:04
Speaker 2: real and they're cutting through with people like dairy farmer
29:07
Speaker 2: operators father and son duo Robert and Sam, who have
29:11
Speaker 2: never supported them.
29:13
Speaker 3: In the past.
29:14
Speaker 13: Personally, I've lost a bit of faith with the major parties.
29:17
Speaker 5: I think it's just the fact that.
29:18
Speaker 6: They they say one thing to your face and then
29:22
Speaker 6: go and do something else in Parliament.
29:24
Speaker 14: Yeah, no, I'm leaning to One Nation there.
29:28
Speaker 4: We just need a big one to eighty degree change
29:31
Speaker 4: in the way the country's going.
29:32
Speaker 3: So yours is a vote to shake things up.
29:36
Speaker 15: Absolutely, we'll come to your stand Silk. We need the diesels, say,
29:44
Speaker 15: I don't know what would happen. I know we would
29:47
Speaker 15: be we'd have to shut down in this district. There's
29:50
Speaker 15: been a lot of fuel theft, a lot really yep, yep,
29:54
Speaker 15: And I just just people are guessers.
29:58
Speaker 2: As someone who has had a career running big agricultural
30:01
Speaker 2: companies here and overseas, finally understands that food security is
30:08
Speaker 2: national security.
30:10
Speaker 11: One of the major tenements of managing the sovereign responsibility
30:13
Speaker 11: of a nation is food security. And inside food security,
30:17
Speaker 11: then of course, becomes all the inputs for it, water, diesel, fuel,
30:22
Speaker 11: qualified labor, skilled labor. It's a whole host that all
30:25
Speaker 11: come together to make food available to a nation.
30:29
Speaker 2: A good litmus test for any candidate is how they
30:32
Speaker 2: go out in the hustings and on a Saturday in
30:35
Speaker 2: the country. The only way to meet that town is
30:38
Speaker 2: at the local footing.
30:40
Speaker 16: Just got to be switched on and we've got to
30:41
Speaker 16: hit them balls hard.
30:43
Speaker 8: Just keep cracking in their boys, and let's go.
30:44
Speaker 3: Let's come on.
30:49
Speaker 11: It brings communities together. And what's unique today this is
30:52
Speaker 11: the first time in three years that Blighty has been
30:54
Speaker 11: able to field a third team, the junior team. Unfortunately
30:58
Speaker 11: Blight he lost its hotel recently. And it all comes
31:00
Speaker 11: down to the core of water, which drives the economy.
31:03
Speaker 11: And if we can't have resilience in our towns which
31:06
Speaker 11: create resilient food chains, unfortunately we end up having a
31:09
Speaker 11: failing nation. We lose resilience as a nation as well.
31:13
Speaker 2: Even through hard times, these regional communities are doing their bit,
31:18
Speaker 2: but for many the same can't be said about camer
31:22
Speaker 2: My vote will.
31:23
Speaker 6: Be changed, for sure. We've just got to have a
31:25
Speaker 6: change with the other two parties, and you know we've
31:31
Speaker 6: got to blame them both.
31:32
Speaker 8: They promise the world to I think, get your votes,
31:34
Speaker 8: but then it all changes pretty quickly.
31:37
Speaker 2: This growing cynicism is electric wide and it hasn't come overnight.
31:44
Speaker 2: And if David Farley's reception is any guide, one nation
31:48
Speaker 2: is capturing the.
31:49
Speaker 3: Disillusioned voter.
31:52
Speaker 2: Any But for all of Farley's campaign effort, the real
32:05
Speaker 2: cut through is the personal popularity of his leader, thirty
32:09
Speaker 2: year political veteran Pauline Hanson.
32:12
Speaker 16: You just can't help but admire Pauline Hanson because she says,
32:16
Speaker 16: boombang whatever, what people are thinking, doesn't be half and
32:21
Speaker 16: half like albanicis she.
32:24
Speaker 1: Just got balls?
32:25
Speaker 8: I suppose let's just goes the show, but she says
32:28
Speaker 8: and how she runs things just all over it.
32:30
Speaker 14: I think Pauline's great because she speaks the truth and
32:35
Speaker 14: if everyone can get behind her, I think she is
32:39
Speaker 14: all for the Aussies, you know, and to get things
32:42
Speaker 14: moving in the right direction.
32:45
Speaker 6: She's been trying in jail, She's been she's been ridiculed,
32:51
Speaker 6: and she has never changed right from the right from
32:54
Speaker 6: when she was come into politics.
32:58
Speaker 2: So can candidate ever on the things that matter to
33:02
Speaker 2: the people of Sarough.
33:03
Speaker 17: We need water.
33:05
Speaker 6: Without water, you can't farm in the desert.
33:07
Speaker 14: The communities are busted up and diminishing because of the
33:11
Speaker 14: water and water crosses the.
33:14
Speaker 2: Teal candidate Michelle Milthorpe isn't ignorant to the fact that
33:18
Speaker 2: this is the burning issue of the campaign and just
33:23
Speaker 2: outside town she's taken out massive billboards to push the
33:26
Speaker 2: case for a Royal commission into the Murray Darling scheme.
33:31
Speaker 2: But people want more than billboards and talk and Milthorpe will,
33:36
Speaker 2: they say.
33:36
Speaker 3: She's barely been seen.
33:38
Speaker 2: Or heard outside of Aubrey. No one though could accuse
33:42
Speaker 2: David Farley of hiding.
33:44
Speaker 3: In his office.
33:46
Speaker 11: There's a job to do, and there's a lot of
33:47
Speaker 11: heavy lifting to do, and at the end of the
33:49
Speaker 11: two years, we want to be able to show the
33:50
Speaker 11: constituents of Farah our scorecard. And that scorecard will be
33:54
Speaker 11: marking water, It'll be marking immigration, that will be marking
33:57
Speaker 11: liquid energy, it'll be marking electrical and important, it'll be
34:00
Speaker 11: marking health as well.
34:01
Speaker 2: You are in pre polls for two weeks, so you
34:04
Speaker 2: really got two weeks to change hearts and minds.
34:07
Speaker 11: I think everyone's a one nation voter, they just don't
34:10
Speaker 11: know it.
34:10
Speaker 2: Again, I'll tell you what he's going to shake things up.
34:17
Speaker 2: But as you heard there from James Ashby, there's a
34:19
Speaker 2: poll out that's got him in the mid forties. You
34:22
Speaker 2: need fifty percent plus one, of course to win. I'm
34:25
Speaker 2: primary vote outright, the tials in the mid twenties. The
34:29
Speaker 2: Limbs and Nats are below that, so preferences will be key.
34:33
Speaker 2: But I'm told them amentum for the Teals really fallen
34:35
Speaker 2: off the last couple of weeks as more people understand
34:39
Speaker 2: she's a Teal or not an independent. Anyway, you've got
34:41
Speaker 2: to watch us here on Sky News on the ninth
34:44
Speaker 2: of May. We've got a special coverage of this race.
34:47
Speaker 2: I'll be there on the desk with the team and
34:49
Speaker 2: we'll get to some pretty interesting conversations when we get
34:52
Speaker 2: to the allocation of preferences joined us up the break
34:56
Speaker 2: that massive Federal Court decision women's spaces finally protect. I
35:00
Speaker 2: speak to one of the advocates behind the ruling in
35:02
Speaker 2: a moment. Well, go back, We've heard all the carry
35:08
Speaker 2: on about this fight between the White House and the
35:11
Speaker 2: Paper c I've got an interesting take on this coming
35:15
Speaker 2: up with my panel in a moment. But first, yesterday,
35:17
Speaker 2: that significant day in the battle to protect single sex
35:21
Speaker 2: spaces for women biological women.
35:24
Speaker 3: Now you will call.
35:25
Speaker 2: Several months ago, I spoke with the Cole Mowbray, who's
35:27
Speaker 2: the spokeswoman the Lesbian Action Group, which was fighting a
35:30
Speaker 2: ruling by the Australian Human Rights Commission which prevented them
35:34
Speaker 2: from banning biological men calling them whatever they want to
35:37
Speaker 2: call themselves from their events. Now, why this has had
35:41
Speaker 2: to travel as far as the Federal Court is beyond me.
35:44
Speaker 2: But yesterday the judge upheld the group's appeal, finding that
35:47
Speaker 2: the tribunal had erred in finding that exemptions to the
35:51
Speaker 2: Sex Discrimination Act should not be allowed because they would
35:54
Speaker 2: permit conduct that would otherwise be considered discrimination. Now hazard
35:59
Speaker 2: of a way to go, but could have huge ramifications
36:03
Speaker 2: for other legal fights, in particular the case involving our
36:07
Speaker 2: good friend Sal Grover. Here to discuss this big win
36:11
Speaker 2: for common sense and a win for women. Nicle, My Bray, Nicole,
36:15
Speaker 2: thank you for your time. I'm so pleased after we
36:17
Speaker 2: spoke to you before the decision to speak tonight after
36:21
Speaker 2: this terrific win. It's got to be a huge relief.
36:26
Speaker 12: We're thrilled, We're very happy. It's been a huge relief
36:31
Speaker 12: and it's as it should be. You know, there's been
36:35
Speaker 12: an error in the reading of the act and we'll
36:43
Speaker 12: probably go back to the tribunal now with a fresh slate.
36:46
Speaker 12: We haven't got our exemption that was never going to
36:50
Speaker 12: happen in the federal court. We have to go back
36:52
Speaker 12: to the tribunal in order to try and get that again,
36:57
Speaker 12: the single sex exemption.
37:01
Speaker 2: It's just crazy that you've got to spend all this time, money,
37:04
Speaker 2: effort to fight for rights that you know, women have
37:09
Speaker 2: been fighting for for a good part of a century.
37:11
Speaker 2: We secure them about thirty years ago, and now the
37:15
Speaker 2: world's been turned upside down totally.
37:18
Speaker 12: And the reading of the six Discrimination Act, it should
37:23
Speaker 12: they should sex based rights and those of who have
37:26
Speaker 12: a gender identity their rights should we should align, you know,
37:33
Speaker 12: without them imposing their rights on our rights. So the
37:37
Speaker 12: reading of the act is that they have their their lane,
37:43
Speaker 12: for want of a better term, and we have our
37:45
Speaker 12: lane and we can coexist quite happily that way. We
37:49
Speaker 12: have our rights, they have their rights. That's all we're
37:51
Speaker 12: wanting is for our rights to be respected, and.
37:56
Speaker 3: That's all we've always wanted. That's the really part of
37:59
Speaker 3: the problem.
38:00
Speaker 2: Anyone like you and me that are trying to defend
38:03
Speaker 2: the rights of biological women, we get called all sorts
38:06
Speaker 2: of you know, names, shouted down as if we are
38:11
Speaker 2: trying to discriminate against others. But all we are saying
38:14
Speaker 2: is anytime your attempt to claim rights impinges on my
38:20
Speaker 2: rights and my biological rights, which, as I said, we
38:23
Speaker 2: have fought for for so long, so long.
38:25
Speaker 3: That's it we've got to fight again. We cannot put
38:28
Speaker 3: up with that.
38:29
Speaker 12: It's about women having boundaries, but also having our boundaries
38:33
Speaker 12: respected and our boundaries are just not being respected. We're
38:38
Speaker 12: being told we're not allowed to have boundaries and this
38:40
Speaker 12: is being forced upon us without you know, I haven't
38:44
Speaker 12: even consent.
38:47
Speaker 2: I will have to say here it was Julia Gillard
38:50
Speaker 2: who took the word woman out of the Sex Discrimination Act.
38:54
Speaker 2: I mean, I absolutely want this repealt, I want to change.
38:58
Speaker 2: Where do you stand on this?
39:01
Speaker 12: So she not only took out the definition of women,
39:03
Speaker 12: she took out the definition of man. So how can
39:08
Speaker 12: you protect sex based rights when you don't have a definition.
39:11
Speaker 12: You need to define what you're protecting in order for
39:15
Speaker 12: the legislation to work. And that's part of the big
39:17
Speaker 12: falldown of what's happened. So absolutely I think that they
39:21
Speaker 12: need to be defined adequately in order to protect sex
39:25
Speaker 12: based rights.
39:28
Speaker 3: All right, well, you're on a win, you're on a roll.
39:30
Speaker 2: Let's keep it up mate, as you go all the
39:31
Speaker 2: way through through the Federal Parliament, we'll take on the
39:35
Speaker 2: Prime Minister and others and we'll get this fixed. Nicole,
39:37
Speaker 2: well done, congratulations hopefully, thanks shout out to all these
39:41
Speaker 2: amazing women for all of us.
39:44
Speaker 3: Yeah, thank you for coming on tonight as a whole.
39:48
Speaker 2: Oh we cut it off there, I'm sorry about that.
39:51
Speaker 2: She's fantastic. I'm really pleased with this result. All right,
39:54
Speaker 2: Trump and the Pope? Is it all what it seems?
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Speaker 3: After the break? Welcome back.
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Speaker 2: Let's go to one of the major international dramas of
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Speaker 2: the week, this funeral surrounding Trump's AI Jesus picture and man.
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Speaker 2: And this is not necessarily interrelated, but there's a connection
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Speaker 2: the feud with the Pope. Now, I thought Analie Nielsen,
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Speaker 2: our Washington commentator, has astute points that she made.
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Speaker 3: Have a listen.
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Speaker 10: Look, they are over I think it's like one point
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Speaker 10: four billion Catholics in the world, but they're not a
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Speaker 10: homogeneous group, and voting in the US, they do tend
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Speaker 10: to lean slightly more Republican, but there's a very powerful
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Speaker 10: liberal lobby within the Catholics, and of course they're very
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Speaker 10: represented by Hispanic voters, and they've probably got different issues
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Speaker 10: with Donald Trump. Right now, the AI image of him
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Speaker 10: is Jesus. That was obviously a misfire and that's going
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Speaker 10: to hurt him among his supporters. But at the end
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Speaker 10: of the day, really, if you've voted for Donald Trump,
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Speaker 10: he's not religious. He wasn't at church on Easter Sunday
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Speaker 10: he was in the golf course.
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Speaker 2: Nor did he swears both have allegians on a Bible.
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Speaker 2: That's interesting as well. Joining me now in my panel,
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Speaker 2: sky Ones contributed Kosher Garda. In the past chair of
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Speaker 2: the Parliament Foreign Affairs and Defense Committee, a labor man
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Speaker 2: Michael Danby. So I want to pull them apart because
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Speaker 2: I think they're two different issues. I'll start with the
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Speaker 2: Jesus image. I think that's not just Catholics who care
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Speaker 2: about Jesus. That's Christian, it's fundamentalless. It's a big issue.
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Speaker 2: In the South, there are.
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Speaker 3: A lot more.
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Speaker 2: Focused on religion and their politics and we are perhaps
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Speaker 2: in Australia kosher. But also that whole just lie about
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Speaker 2: it being the doctor thing. I think that's also where
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Speaker 2: people go, come on mate.
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Speaker 18: Yeah, and that I think it is concentric circle. So
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Speaker 18: there's the Catholics. That's a brighter Christian community and it
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Speaker 18: is a big part of the diaspora, and it certainly
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Speaker 18: the electorate and the right, and then it's just everybody
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Speaker 18: to as you say, like come on, we know that
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Speaker 18: you didn't think it was a doctor. And it's also
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Speaker 18: not like Trump, he doesn't usually delay things are back down. Yeah,
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Speaker 18: true and amplifies and it's very interesting and I think
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Speaker 18: that's actually there's a third piece to it that I
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Speaker 18: would add to analysis analysis, which is this issue is
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Speaker 18: the Iran War and all that is something that he
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Speaker 18: is struggling with with large factions of his bees. And
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Speaker 18: in the past, when he's spired with the Pope were
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Speaker 18: done things like this. The beast has been with him,
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Speaker 18: whether it's climate or immigration or whatever. And here are
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Speaker 18: the beasts not fully with him, and I think that
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Speaker 18: is probably a coloring way. He deleted the tweet and
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Speaker 18: then meet up the whole cover story of being a doctor,
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Speaker 18: which nobody buys.
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Speaker 2: And look just on the Pope. I mean, the Pope's
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Speaker 2: not said anything about radical Islam. The Pope's not gotta
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Speaker 2: out there and fought for the fifty thousand young people
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Speaker 2: killed in protests in Iran. I am Catholic, but long, long,
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Speaker 2: long ago, do Catholics take dictation from the Pope. Yes,
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Speaker 2: he's got an important role in the church, but it's
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Speaker 2: nowhere near this big deal. I think that non Catholics
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Speaker 2: are trying to write this into being Michael, what.
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Speaker 17: Do you think, Well, I think it's true that Trump
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Speaker 17: comments were in bad taste, whether it's the Jesus image
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Speaker 17: or or taking on the Pope directly. But surely it's
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Speaker 17: a legitimate Peter to given the Catholic doctrine of a
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Speaker 17: just war, to question whether after all of those attacks
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Speaker 17: on all of the Arab countries in the Gulf, the
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Speaker 17: threat to Steve Whitkoff that will have eleven atomic bombs
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Speaker 17: when they're in that original thing, it's legitimate to say
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Speaker 17: that is something that you know, people who believe in
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Speaker 17: adjustable Yes, blessed are the peacemakers, but you can't take
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Speaker 17: it to the degree that we don't do anything well.
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Speaker 2: The Church was pretty involved in crusades, let's be honest.
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Speaker 2: I mean, I don't mind them sparring. You know, a
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Speaker 2: political leader isn't always right, and a religious leader's not
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Speaker 2: always right. I think it's good to have these sorts
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Speaker 2: of debates, but everyone's saying the fact that they're fighting
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Speaker 2: sparring with each other is a terrible thing.
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Speaker 3: I don't necessarily buy that.
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Speaker 17: He'd have more authority. I think the Pope, with his
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Speaker 17: engagement with this larm, which is not necessarily a bad idea.
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Speaker 17: If he went to Nigeria and spoke up on behalf
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Speaker 17: of them. The caller murdered and persecuted Christians. Then you've
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Speaker 17: got to balance it both in doctrine just war versus peacemakers,
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Speaker 17: and in you know, don't get involved in any wool versus.
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Speaker 2: The only thing we can be thankful for is that
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Speaker 2: Trump put up a picture of himself as Jesus, not Mohammed.
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Speaker 3: Imagine that.
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Speaker 18: Yeah, and he did see in one of his tweets
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Speaker 18: on Easter.
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Speaker 3: I think presbla.
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Speaker 17: He said it several times, tongue in.
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Speaker 18: Cheeks, so you never know what's coming out of his
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Speaker 18: social account.
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Speaker 2: Doesn't this go to a broader problem though, you know
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Speaker 2: he's tweety away in the middle of the night.
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Speaker 3: I've worked for it. Waste phone.
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Speaker 2: I know if that was happening with Tony Abbott, I'd
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Speaker 2: tell Margie reached over and rip it out of his hands,
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Speaker 2: or you know, the officer'd be stepping in with some
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Speaker 2: sort of protocol. What's happening internally?
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Speaker 18: I think it's a double ed sword with Tron because
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Speaker 18: some of his best things have also happened through that
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Speaker 18: phone late night. He has had some whether it's later
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Speaker 18: ones like when he was spiring with Richard gear just
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Speaker 18: off the top of my head.
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Speaker 2: But I think that was when your point you made before.
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Speaker 2: It is powerful when his base we're out there on
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Speaker 2: social media with him. Now he's got sort of protagonists
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Speaker 2: like you know, Megan Kelly and Tucker Carlson starting to
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Speaker 2: bite away at the edges.
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Speaker 18: Yeah, he's losing a lot of coroners of support that
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Speaker 18: he had and then when you add into that sort
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Speaker 18: of erratic, eccentric tweets, it's not helpful when his rate
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Speaker 18: on message. I think people loved it where it's just
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Speaker 18: a style. Not all people loved it, but those who do.
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Speaker 18: It's a it's a style, it's a modern mode of communication.
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Speaker 18: It has its place, and it was always intriguing that
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Speaker 18: he's in his seventies and he kind of understood social
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Speaker 18: media and away that most wouldn't. But it is a
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Speaker 18: double edged sword. And then you see things like this
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Speaker 18: come out.
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Speaker 2: And the frustration for something like me is he is
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Speaker 2: right on Iran, He is right to be doing everything
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Speaker 2: is Michael and the blockyde is in this fight.
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Speaker 17: The USNavy and the blockadeed working. You know, Iran's losing
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Speaker 17: five hundred million dollars a day, and he'll starve them
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Speaker 17: into another round of negotiations where they'll do better and
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Speaker 17: the American government will be able to, you know, withdraw
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Speaker 17: itself from the Middle East. But you know, the real
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Speaker 17: problem is now with Italy, which didn't let the Americans
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Speaker 17: use there based in Sicily, and I'm pleased that Councilor
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Speaker 17: Mertz is now saying that the Germans should pay more
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Speaker 17: for defense expenditure, particularly with Ukraine. Let's hope they do
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Speaker 17: as much as the Japanese are doing in this part
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Speaker 17: of the world.
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Speaker 2: And look on Maloney. Of course she has to come
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Speaker 2: out and defend the pope. He shouldn't have reacted to her.
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Speaker 2: She's an ally and they've got along famously. And this
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Speaker 2: is where the glass jawer of Trump's a bit of
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Speaker 2: a problem. Talk to me about the decision in Hungary,
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Speaker 2: the loss for Victor albarn is that right, broader ramifications,
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Speaker 2: how do you read it?
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Speaker 17: Peter Mojo is a great guy, the one who won,
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Speaker 17: and it just shows how ridiculous Vans's last minute intervention was. There.
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Speaker 17: He's a conservative, he's in favor of keeping immigration borders
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Speaker 17: in Hungary, but he doesn't favor working as a catspull
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Speaker 17: for putin visa the Ukraine and the European Union will
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Speaker 17: free up a whole lot of money that the Ukraine
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Speaker 17: that the Hungarians rowed, So I think it's a bright
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Speaker 17: future for Hungary. I'll be going back to Budapest along
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Speaker 17: with Keev and I think it's a great thing for them.
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Speaker 18: And there was a big corruption play was part of
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Speaker 18: it too, So first all, there's sort of a change
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Speaker 18: candidate issue or Orban was in there for sixteen.
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Speaker 3: Years and bit of that time people just get.
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Speaker 18: Fatigued, and there were a lot of credible allegations of corruption,
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Speaker 18: not direct bribery or things like that, but sort of favoritism,
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Speaker 18: crony capitalism, giving government contracts to his inner circle and
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Speaker 18: things like that.
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Speaker 3: And it is Eastern Europe, yes, yes, lots of but much.
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Speaker 17: I used to work for Aubun until a year and
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Speaker 17: a half ago. So it's not as if he's not
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Speaker 17: a right winger or a conservativeory Russia.
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Speaker 3: The briefing potentially of pertent shocking.
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Speaker 18: Yes, and he for that reason he was credible as
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Speaker 18: well the Peter because he came from the inner sanctum.
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Speaker 18: Just to build on that point, in terms of the
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Speaker 18: change that it will do. Yes, he's from the right,
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Speaker 18: probably a bit more moderate than on and so I think,
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Speaker 18: you know, it'll be interesting to see. But all this
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Speaker 18: Needo stuff brewing, you know, how this how this transpires
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Speaker 18: with the new leadership there.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, just quickly on.
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Speaker 17: NATO, well, Mertz says that the Germans should step up.
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Speaker 1: They should.
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Speaker 17: I don't think the Americans are the ones who are
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Speaker 17: clearing the straits of hormers. It's the American name and
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Speaker 17: in East Asia. So it's very nice for the Europeans
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Speaker 17: to come along and put a few mind sweepers afterwards.
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Speaker 17: I'm not against that we should all cooperate together, but
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Speaker 17: it's some cloud cuckoo land, as the Germans say to
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Speaker 17: to say they can do without the Americans.
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Speaker 3: Thank you to you both. Right, that's it. You may
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Speaker 3: have a lovely weekend. I'll see you Monday. He's Andrew