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4yrs in a Mexican Prison- survival story- JC Almanza · Nightmare Success In and Out

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What happens when your worst fear becomes your reality?
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Hi. I'm Brian Cassidy.
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Welcome to the nightmare success in and out podcast.
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Where we explore a, how to overcome your fears.
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And Nightmares is set yourself free.
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We're going to be exploring this topic with guys that was in
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Leavenworth with and others who survived their own nightmare.
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These stories can be inspiring. Sometimes sad, there's some
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humor but hopefully you can come away with a nugget of something
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that will help you knock down some of the prisons.
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You It up in your own mind. Alright, welcome back nightmares
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success in and out listeners. While do I have a good guest
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today? And I know you guys come here
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for, you know, what happens when your worst fear becomes your
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reality, how do you death? How do you survive?
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What do you do with all that? Once you survive, this guy
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survived so many times. I'm I can't believe he's alive.
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I want to give a big shout-out to Peter.
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Meyerhoff, it was funny because I Kind I was told, JC, JC
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almanza is my guest? And I just told him I'm kind of
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a groupie of his because I've been following his wrong too
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strong. He used the wrong too strong,
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man, and such a unbelievable Story.
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I mean you know, he's born into the streets of South Chicago
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gangs and drugs and he ends up at 17 years old and I'm in a
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Mexican prison, a Mexican cartel against up into the Federal
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Prisons and what he's been able to do with his life since he's
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gotten out. I mean it's just it's just a
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Force for good and I hope he shares his story about the shoes
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and how that story has gone in and become such a force of good
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for the kids. He's got 80,000 subscribers on
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I mean, he's a big deal, he was on the show, locked locked up
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So, JC, so excited to have you, man.
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Welcome in. I'll thank you.
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Thank you for having me. It's, it's always a blessing to
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be able to, I guess, share my story.
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Just to give hope, you know, well, and I think that's the the
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very cool thing about your story, and how open you are with
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it, how authentic you are with it.
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Just just the honesty. The vulnerability of how you
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tell your story and it's It's just you can't walk away with
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not feeling like wow, this was real and inspiring.
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And you know, if this guy can do it from how.
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And let's talk about this, because you were born into the
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streets, the hard streets of South Chicago southside Chicago.
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Can you tell us a little bit JC? What, what life was like for you
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as a kid in those streets, in your home, Mom, Dad.
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Tell us a little bit about Mom, Dad and siblings and what you
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had How many my my younger years were really, really tough,
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really dark. My parents were really young
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when they had me and my sister and my two sisters.
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I have two sisters and my dad ended up, you know, getting into
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the gang life and living on the streets and just in trouble.
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And my mom had to move in with her with her brother.
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And in case, if I remember, if I remember right, when you say
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they were young, they were like 14 and 16 years old, right?
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Yes, yes. Yeah.
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You know, it was normal in Mexico to get married that that
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young you know my my grandparents got married at 14,
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you know. And there were kids having kids.
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So we got to United States. We come from a small town in
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Mexico. That there's there's money.
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It's pretty, you know, hip but my dad was in used to the United
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States and especially the drugs and all that stuff.
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So you know he fell in love with that stuff and left us and my
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mom had to fend for herself and she didn't know English and had
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never worked. So she moved in with her brother
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and I mean he was just He just had some serious issues.
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He he raped. You know, he raped me, he would
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drown me, it was a lot of hell. Would you like that time JC?
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It was from the age of four tonight.
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Well, you know, the the the things that I remember the most
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is our, you know, the drowning and the dark room he would lock
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me in for like hours. And as a kid You know, cold
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water as it as it was, was already scared me.
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And yeah, yeah, no, but him him, you know, getting it ready to
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our, I already knew what he was gonna do to me, you know, just
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really messed me up. Jamal, know anything about it,
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huh? Did your mom know anything about
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what was going on? You know.
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It's a question that I know the answer to but I've been afraid
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to ask. Yeah.
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Yeah, I'm not gonna lie, you know, I forgave my mom already
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and it's, you know, its history is done.
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I don't blame her. You know, she who knows what
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happened to her, you know, right.
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So I just, I just made my peace with it so you know, so when you
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were that age, Age and having to go through that.
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I mean what, what goes through a nine year, olds and eight year
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olds, mind of this, this basically torture fear.
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You know, how are you dealing with that?
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You know, I now that I've been like more stable.
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Yeah and I'm because I used to be like a little Tasmanian
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Devil, just too much energy, just running all over the place.
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I think back now and I think about my memories as a child and
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there's a very memory that I have of me and my little sister
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were you know, we weren't allowed to have toys, we didn't
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have bikes nothing, he was just kind of mental torture.
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Pitcher for kids pretty much. I guess that's what he was like
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into. Mhm.
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So I stole the neighbors bike, one for my sister, and one for
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me and I remember that day, like it was yesterday.
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We rode from the morning, all the way to the night because
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like I just seen my little sister so happy.
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I felt so tough. I felt like a grown-up.
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I felt like yeah, like a man and I knew what was gonna happen
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once. We got back, you know?
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But I was ready to deal with it just because of that moment.
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So it was it was tough man and my heart started turning into to
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Stone. I'm not gonna lie, it just it.
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By the time I was nine and I was in Chicago, I wanted blood.
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I mean, I had already You know, started doing a lot of just bad
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stuff so that how did I guess did it just transition pretty
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easily for you JC because the crowd that you probably were
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running with they were kind of into getting in trouble being in
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things and it was you were right there.
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Did that become they become kind of like your family.
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Is that what is that? Was that kind of a security for
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you to fall? Into a group of people that were
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kind of helping take care of you.
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You know, my family, especially my grandparents my
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great-grandparents. Try to, you know, take remove me
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from the environment and and my uncle also, but I was already so
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damaged that they didn't really, they didn't even know what to
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do. You know, they did studies Army
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and psychiatrists and counselors and I was just a mess.
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So on the streets, I felt normal hurting people.
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Felt normal chasing people down trying to shoot them.
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Like I felt I you know I sometimes I feel scared to share
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how I felt because you know people will judge you and in and
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say oh you know where you deserve to be in prison and it
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sometimes I'll be like you really don't know what that
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person has been through. You know.
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So it's you can't really say that.
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Yeah that's I mean, it's so true and especially after going
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through what you were were going through as a kid and how how
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impressionable you are, you know, trying to learn your way.
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And then you know how did school and stuff fit into that world.
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Did, did you go did you? How did that work for you?
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You know, you're hitting all the you're good they didn't they
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didn't know how to teach me. I was always in trouble, you
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know, me and my wife talk about this all the time.
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I I was so scared of getting called to read because I didn't
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know how to read. You know, I was so scared to go
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up to the board because I didn't know what was going on.
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You know, II had Something was wrong with me, you know, I
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didn't I couldn't read, I couldn't write and I became the
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class clown to get in trouble, so I could get out of the class.
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Yeah. So they just kept moving me up
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its fifth grade, sixth period. Like, I don't even remember
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passing any classes, you just went through, they just kept
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pushing it forward. And, you know, you hear about
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that a lot though. And what I think is so
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fascinating about it, to j.c. is, you know, reading read so
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much about your life and what you went through and you're such
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a smart committed guy, you know, you've built things and you
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haven't given up. I mean, the things that you've
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done since you've gotten out it would be, it would have been
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very easy to say, I just don't know how to do that, or, you
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know, I just, you know, nobody taught me this.
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You made yourself learn and you had a commitment to stick with
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it. And it's interesting because
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even though you were on the bad side of things, Had that
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leadership quality. And, you know, it was just kind
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of in the in the realm of the world that you knew and it's as
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we go through this, it's interesting to see how that
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turns that all those things that you use to create yourself to be
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the top of the chain, you use to, when you got out to use that
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with that inner drive, to build where you are today, I just
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think it's really interesting. You're so, when you get the
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interesting thing is too is That your world didn't, you know on
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the streets there you get in early and you know your world
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gets kind of all kinds of crazy but you know, you're 17 when you
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first can you walk us through how that all happened?
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Because you were you're a young guy.
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Yeah. So 17 is when I was already like
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I was already working and I started working going to Mexico
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at 16 and you know I am, I told the story before, but Valerie
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Valerie though, later on. I guess we'll talk about her.
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But she, she was a big figure in my childhood because she was
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always, always trying to get me off the street always tryna.
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I was just that kid, man, that was always on the street, always
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carrying the gun. Always, just always in trouble,
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Joe. I always tell people I believe
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that it was self suicide. I was trying to commit suicide
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because that's how miserable I was, you know, and how I lost
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and I didn't fit in and even even being a bad guy.
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When I was at 100% bad guy, I still didn't feel like I fit in
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that one. Yeah.
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You felt like an imposter, the bad guy world, you know.
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I felt like that wasn't me. It just wasn't.
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So so how did you, how did you make that cross?
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Because you were in your in South Side Chicago, you end up
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down in Mexico, was it from the people that you met in Chicago,
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that had the connect to the at the time called it's a really
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big gang. That's called the singing
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disciples, you know, the Disciples of the devil.
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So we started a branch of them on 59th Street and I was young,
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I was in my early. Years up of my violence and
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everything. So I was about 12 of us and we
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just we dominate thought the south side and we were we just a
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bunch of crazy, crazy lost. Kids, I met Valerie, because she
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was the girlfriend to my to my gang leader.
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So, out of the bunch, she would always like try to help me out
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and give me a little jobs. Do this do that?
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And When she made the connections to Mexico and
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everything, she offered me a job right away.
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And she was like, do you want to do it?
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You know, this, this is your ticket off the streets pretty
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much. And, and that's how I looked at
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it because I didn't see myself being like, like, going to
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school or, I don't know. I always tell people, I didn't I
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didn't see my seat. I see myself being like a
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big-time drug dealer in like retiring with a restaurant and I
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like living the part. Be like for the rest of my life.
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That's kind of how I see myself back then.
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You know. So I started doing it.
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I started making money and it was it was a disaster.
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I mean, what kid what kid would 16 year old kids walking around
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with like 10 grand in the stock? Yeah, it was.
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Yeah, no, I mean that it but it's, it's also interesting that
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Valerie was somebody that believed in you, you know, kind
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of picked you out of the crowd and must have seen something in
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you and she plays a role in your life, you know throughout?
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Yeah. So when the Mexico, How does it
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go down in Mexico? How do you get, how do you get
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tangled in Mexico? And that's a nightmare of a
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thought to get. I always tell people, you know,
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it's bad down there. It's bad.
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And what you see, it's even worse, you know, it's it's bad.
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And you I always say, I tell people that I'm I was Lucky that
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I was young that I was young and my mind I was in my prime of
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like, violence. I was able to, to be able to
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take it because, like, if you were to send me there now, oh,
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they would eat me alive. I would, I would, I would not
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make him day. Well, I'm wondering though.
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JC, like what was going on when you get, when you got arrested
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in Mexico and you knew you were going to go down in prison in
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Mexico. What was going through your
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mind? I was pretty calm actually I was
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you know, you know, thinking that they were going to get me
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out. I just, I had my hopes really.
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Yeah, really high. And, you know, I kind of felt
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like it was gonna be a tap, you know, on the wrist and they were
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going to let me out because of who I worked for and you know,
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everything, everything went just went completely, you know, left
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field and I know I mean, When you walk in that first day, what
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happens as far as I'll never forget the big black door.
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The way it's slammed and just me walking in and just trying to, I
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guess find find my way I wasn't. I wasn't terrified until I got
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stabbed. Yeah.
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Once I stabbed did I got a little terrified and then
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happened right? When you walked in right?
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Yeah, I mean he I was there for about maybe 10 minutes 5
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minutes, something like that, you know.
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But I walked in pretty much with I knew how to walk into places
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with my game face on. Yeah.
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So and I tell people that, you know, people that haven't been
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to prison. Really don't don't know how to
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do that. Like, you know, you To look a
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certain way, you have to walk a certain way.
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Everything has to match with how you look, you know, I call a
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camouflage. Yeah.
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So, you know, and then I got stabbed and I knew, I knew, I
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knew something bad was going to happen because They look at us
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as like Traders, they don't they don't take us in like we all
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your, you know, your Mexican know.
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Like you're, you're born in the United States, you got it made.
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Like you you you don't suffer like us.
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So they look at us like as Traders.
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So I knew something was gonna happen.
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I mean, and after that, it was it was every day, every day.
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I was lucky that I had a There was another guy there.
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He was an American and his name was Ricardo.
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And he he knew how to box Hughes.
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Who's my best friend might have like writer diet and we're
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always together and since I was always using drugs, he was
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always watching my back. Yeah.
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And he he he's a really good friend to this day man and I owe
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that guy. I owe that guy.
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Some of the 38 lives that the 38 lives, you've lived shocked that
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I've lost along the way so I've never had anybody on.
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You know that went to a Mexican prison has been in a federal
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prison I can only imagine because watching different
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things on TV. It just looks like first of all,
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federal prison is not a good place to be but Mexican, prison
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looks like absolute hell. We're told people, you know,
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when you when you when you go to an American prison, they give
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you what you need. When you go to a Mexican prison
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you got to fend for yourself. Yeah.
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So it's just it's just how it is.
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It's not backed up by money or none of that stuff you know.
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If you have family there they'll take you food, you know so you
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get those baskets delivered to you every day but if you don't
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then you buy food, there's restaurants in there.
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And if you go to Tau it's going to be like really bad.
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Like, well, I think you were talking about in one of your
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talks that they, it's not like everybody gets fed.
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They just drop off food to a, you know, a wing of the prison
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and you kind of fend for yourself.
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Well, that's overpopulated that, you know, once the food comes in
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the line just gets long, you know what people's cups and
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because it's pretty basic in the morning.
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It's watered down oatmeal with a hard piece of bread and for
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lunches is rice and beans and some tortillas and 444 dinners.
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The same thing again on the bread and the oatmeal.
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So it's a pretty pretty basic diet, but if you don't make it,
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you don't make it. It's just it's so overpopulated.
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Well and you ended up JC doing for years there and the Mexican
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prison. So did, was that what you were
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sentenced to? Or did you get, were you able to
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transfer out and go to the United States?
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No, I got sentenced to 15 years in Mexico, but I put in for a
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transfer for the United States to pick me up at the time they
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were, there were extraditing Mexicans for Americans.
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There were doing exchanges at the time, and I was able to get
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on the program and I just, I waited, but it took forever man.
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And, you know, everything just went crashing down for me.
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When I got there, I was like the man, you know, I established my
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turf, you know, I was working for the man.
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I pretty much did whatever I wanted, you know, lots of drugs,
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lots of women. And I just started getting more
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and more into trouble because, you know, my ego.
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My, my head started getting big, and I beat up the wrong person.
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Then I started, you know, using too Many drugs.
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It is just started. It started a whole whole chain
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of events that, you know, almost almost cost me my life.
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A couple of times on it, was by God's grace that I made it out
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of there. I mean, to tell you the truth,
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man. They once they moved me to that
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unit where I really was told not to even leave, you know, if I
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wanted to, you know, get out to United States.
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I was, I'm not, I'm not gonna lie.
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In constant fear because they could come and get me anytime
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and night. I seen how they Lynch people.
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They're like, it's, it's it's not cool like Iraq.
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I rather be on the south side of Chicago and just get shot and
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that's it. You know, I don't, I don't want
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to get lynched by it, you know, 78, people 20 people, right?
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So, you know, Tommy, I can't even imagine, I had the fear of
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that, you know, in the bad characters, you know?
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But I think it's kind of interesting though because you
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when you came in and I know you talked about the floor to
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transition to going to the Florida prison and and along the
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way you're talking about the somehow some way you want to
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make a change, you know, somehow some way is there a way to make
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this happen? Can you kind of walk us through
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that? Your mind, your mind, set at
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that time? What you're thinking after
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you've gone through so many of these different steps through
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the prison world, the streets of the city, South Side, Chicago,
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what, where you at in your head? What?
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Before Florida, I had spent almost a year in solitary and
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it's a long time really did something to me.
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You know, it did something to me, were I just I kept thinking
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about yeah I always tell a lot of the people that I know I
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always tell them go in your bathroom but some books in
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there. Put the food that you're going
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to eat close the door and stay there.
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Sit there for 24 hours, just sit.
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It there. Don't leave.
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You can leave not sit there and you'll realize who you have to
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deal with? Yeah, I mean, did you did you
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feel like you're going crazy JC? Because I can't.
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Imagine I would, I had a guy on here.
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I'll see a couple podcast ago, there was a been in solitary for
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three years. And you know, I just, I can't
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imagine. How did you what were your
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strategies of dealing with it with that daily basis?
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At first, I was coping with it, just kind of get into the days.
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I want to say probably went through a stage of depression
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where I was just sleeping a lot getting up, just to eat and
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laying down again, and just like that, but then, that doesn't
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work, no more. So then you started, you know,
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pacing, you start going a little crazy.
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So then he started, he started to incorporate workouts.
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After you incorporate workouts, then you clean the self from top
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to bottom. Are, you could pretty much eat
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off the floor after toilet. Yeah.
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And it just becomes like a routine that you just do
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everyday to the tee. Yeah, you know, and I got to the
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point where I was doing that but then that wasn't working no
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more. So, I always tell people that
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the librarian guy used to pass by.
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He really never had nothing good and do good books losing my
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mind. I was losing my mind that day
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and I don't like to read, like, novels, I don't know.
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Like I just, I don't know. I'm not considered, you know,
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and he had a book but it was about to Bible and I started
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reading it and it started giving me some peace and I was like,
26:13
wow. Wow.
26:13
And I just thought it was like a normal book I didn't even know
26:16
it was a book of the Bible. I didn't find out until later
26:18
you know. They start giving me some peace
26:21
man and the whole solitary story is like a huge story.
26:26
I don't know if you've ever heard that story, but it changed
26:31
me because they ended up putting me in with one of the Mongols.
26:34
It's a motorcycle gang. They put me in there with him
26:39
and I got to learn that there was I was like meaning that, you
26:46
know, we're not educated, didn't know how to read, didn't know
26:49
how to write, didn't know. A lot of things that I guess you
26:55
could say, normal people are due.
26:57
No educated people do not hate to say it like that and that
27:02
relationship with him really started making me think about.
27:08
Like I think I could change. I think I could be a different
27:11
person because to this moment. Aunt, all I knew was selling
27:15
drugs. I mean, all I knew was making a
27:19
quick Buck. I didn't care about the law, you
27:23
know, I did whatever I want it. So it really started changing
27:28
me. So when I was on that bus to
27:30
Florida, I was really praying because I was like, man, I don't
27:34
know how to pray, but I hope there's no gang members there
27:38
when I get there because I don't want to be, you know,
27:41
Affiliated. I don't want to be on the Yeah,
27:44
I'd I just don't want to catch more time because that's what
27:47
happens. You get more time and more time
27:49
and more time, you know, a lot of people that haven't done time
27:53
on higher security yards, don't know the difference because
27:57
they've been two camps or low security were really nothing
28:01
happened. Right?
28:03
So, you know, I need yard stuff happens and sometimes even if
28:08
you don't want to you, you have to jump, you have to do stuff
28:12
because that's not not your own people.
28:14
Take you out the own people stab you up.
28:16
So it's like it's a crazy world man.
28:20
I got there and there was a lot of games that work out from
28:28
everywhere. And you know, the thing of it is
28:32
there's a good side to that too. Because those guys also help you
28:35
get set up. There's nothing good about
28:37
traveling as a prisoner, you know you got your stuff, you get
28:41
set up and then they move you and you get moved to another
28:44
place. But the good side of that being
28:48
Affiliated and all those things is those guys help you out, you
28:51
know, they welcome you in, they make because that's your life,
28:55
you're going to live there at your home.
28:57
So that's the, you know, the kind of the golden.
29:00
Cuffs to the deal is you know they're going to help you.
29:03
And I know when you got to Florida they gave you a big bag
29:07
of care package. It was like Hey JC man, welcome.
29:12
And you were like man. I don't know.
29:14
I was just saying, I want you to do this, their chances you
29:20
because then you experience the commodity again, you you feel
29:25
welcome, you feel loved, you know.
29:27
So it's it's hard sometimes to give Hope that life when it when
29:31
it's all, you know, because I mean it was my family, it was
29:36
who I broke bread with, you know, and and imprison you you
29:41
eat with him, you shower with them.
29:44
You work out with them. So it is a 24/7 relationship
29:49
that you have with these guys. Yeah, you you build really stock
29:53
strong bonds with them, you know.
29:56
Well, and you do any did that? And but I think the thing that
30:00
Changed you as you were already changing in your mind, was I
30:04
think you were getting the opportunity to get into the was
30:07
at the our debt program. I got into the art that program
30:11
and I wish I had a probably explain that because you and I
30:14
know our dad because we were in our tap but the our debt program
30:18
is the one thing in prison that you can get a year off for its
30:22
rational thinking it's behavioral thinking actually I
30:25
think it's a really good thing if people teach it properly
30:29
because you No, probably should be taught in high school or, you
30:32
know, wherever because it's not a bad thing for people to think
30:36
about why they think the way they think and maybe catch
30:39
themselves, doing something thinking something before they
30:41
act, but you get into that program and can you kind of lead
30:46
us through because you, you don't just naturally just cut
30:49
away from. Hey, I'm with this group that
30:53
I'm affiliated with. And, oh, by the way guys, I'm
30:55
not going to be with you anymore.
30:57
It doesn't quite work that way that easily.
31:01
I mean, I always say, God is God been in my life?
31:04
Like, my guardian, angel must have like, Broken Wings
31:07
arthritis because somebody's always had my back, you know,
31:14
When you're in prison, you're not supposed to get out of your
31:17
gang while you're in prison. I know you wait till you get out
31:23
and sometimes I make decisions without thinking, I make
31:27
decisions just out of my heart, you know, and I sat there and I
31:32
was like, you know what? I don't, I don't wanna, I don't
31:35
wanna, I don't want to meet. I don't want to gang bang.
31:38
I want to do this art that program.
31:40
I want those nine months of you know, live in, you know, because
31:44
they kick you out if they see you throwing up gang signs and
31:48
stuff like that for your, it's almost like they set you up to
31:52
fail because they put you on a yard with a bunch of gang
31:54
members. Yeah.
31:55
But you're not supposed to be Affiliated, right?
31:58
Everybody's affiliated. So I tell the leader and he's
32:04
like, well, you know what's going to happen?
32:07
And I was like well yeah I mean I guess I thought you would
32:11
understand what you kind of gave him your life story.
32:14
You know. It was a hard story to hear, I
32:16
mean, and and then he said, well, you know what's going to
32:19
happen? You give him your heart and soul
32:22
down to, you know, what's going through your mind and he says,
32:26
yeah. Okay.
32:26
Well anyway, here's what's going to happen.
32:29
So you go back to your cell, There's a lot of people would
32:32
call the hearts in there, you know?
32:34
So yeah, I go back to my cell and, you know, I pick up my
32:40
knife and I'm like mad like you know that the eagle kick didn't
32:43
me and I was like was they're going to try and get me off the
32:47
yard. I'm gonna, you know, I'm going
32:49
to take a couple with me then you know and it's just going to
32:53
have to be like that. But something just something in
32:58
my heart, man. I tell people that that c was
33:01
already there that I just didn't want to be in prison, no more.
33:04
Like I didn't, I felt like I was like, I had a purpose but I just
33:10
didn't know what it was yet. Yeah, and I opened up the Bible
33:14
and I read Psalms 51, and I put it down and I went to work, I
33:21
was working in the kitchen and I was Making the ground beef and
33:26
one of the one of the black Stones came running up to me.
33:32
And it's a, you know, gang from Chicago that they pretty much
33:37
ride with us there with the land King.
33:39
So he comes and tells me he's like, hey, they got, they got
33:42
all the land Kings in there. Do you know they're escorting
33:45
them out? And I was like, stop it and, you
33:50
know, I ran out to the window and yeah, sure enough they were
33:53
they had been under investigation, I guess.
33:55
Prior to me getting there for like cell phones, the guard was
33:59
helping them bring it in. It was this big, big thing, man.
34:02
It was, I think the wardens daughter.
34:05
That was a CEO. There it was, it was big and
34:09
they were under Federal indictment.
34:12
And they were taking them all out and I was counting them and
34:15
I was like, well there goes that one.
34:17
There goes that one and I was like man, they took all the head
34:21
guys. So you know when I when I got
34:25
out the next day on the yard I was like I'm going to do some
34:30
sweet time now I'm gonna I'm gonna pretty much do whatever
34:34
whatever I want. And there was there was a there
34:37
was a couple and Kings left there but they were more kick
34:40
back and we still had to do. Do certain things to preserve
34:45
our table to, you know, on the yard our spot, there were still
34:50
things that I needed to do, but they knew that I was in.
34:52
I know, I know gang banging stuff, and I'm not going to lie
34:58
in Florida. I mean, I was like the only race
35:03
that could really sit on anybody's table, everybody just
35:07
the Bloods, the white everybody, everybody should.
35:12
Hand. I just carried myself a
35:14
different on that yard. It's interesting.
35:17
You know, it didn't happen a lot.
35:19
It's very segregated. Very primitive Society.
35:22
Yeah. Especially with the white dudes,
35:25
why do they are my favorite? Just Johnny, Johnny Haynes.
35:32
I remember his name, he was from the south and he was just, I
35:37
just had never been around people like that before and it
35:41
was It was like almost I guess funny but at the same time it
35:46
made me feel good because I could win these people over and
35:50
they they actually like love me. They respected me.
35:54
Well, I think that's why you have been able to do what you've
35:58
done. Since you've gotten out, I mean,
36:01
you've put all kinds of people together.
36:04
I know that, you know, going back into the yard like that
36:07
after you've been You know, kind of the Mind change.
36:14
What did you feel like your time was different that you're doing
36:17
time different Yeah, I started doing time different because I
36:23
start trying to educate myself, you know, I spent a lot of time
36:27
and education, I think I got about.
36:30
I think I had about 30 certificates that I every cycle
36:36
Tigers got to everything. I just, I became hungry for
36:41
knowledge, I became hungry. I I discovered that I wasn't as,
36:47
as dumb as had. Buddy had, you know.
36:49
Yeah, had told you but I just had, I had to teach myself, so
36:54
that's what I did. I pretty much taught myself how
36:57
to read her. I mean, I barely get to it, but
37:00
I'd get through it. I'm very hard at it.
37:02
So, I'll do it over and just that's just how I learned.
37:07
So JC, did you have any connection to the outside like
37:12
family girlfriend's brothers or your sisters?
37:16
Anybody that you were connecting to?
37:18
Outside, while you were in. My Redeemer.
37:23
That makes me a little emotional at times about it.
37:25
You know what's hard to do time? You know, I saw a lot of guys
37:31
that I was with that. They didn't have, you know, they
37:35
lost everything and then they lost their family.
37:37
And, and I was, you know, I always say I was so lucky
37:42
because I didn't, you know, I had a great wife that, you know,
37:45
she basically put a cape on it, be, you know, a superhero type
37:48
person, keeping everything together but always We thought,
37:51
you know, the guys that did their time that they were just
37:55
doing their time, and didn't have any connection because I
37:57
almost felt like, when I had visits, it was almost like I got
37:59
to straddle the fence, you know, from the outside world to the
38:04
visit. I mean, it was always so paint.
38:06
The only thing was it's so painful when the visits over
38:10
because you know, in your back end to the the prison world but
38:15
as you got closer to the door knowing that you're going to get
38:19
out, what was going, Through your mind.
38:24
I mean, at the beginning, when I was younger, when I was like,
38:27
coming in and out of state prison and stuff like that, my
38:30
first thing on my mind was, you know, the neighborhood.
38:35
What I was going to do to make money stuff like that and my
38:39
gang and as I got older, when I got out of the feds, I mean I
38:44
did the same thing. I went back to straight back to
38:46
my gang when I moved out here to Arizona, you know, I guess you
38:52
could say. I joined another gang because I
38:54
got into a motorcycle, you know, a little crew and I started
38:59
doing the same thing I was doing in Chicago, just in a different
39:02
city but I was I really was, I guess I could say that all over
39:09
the place, man. I mean, I never really had a
39:12
family because the world that I mingled with so it doesn't roll
39:18
like that. Yeah.
39:20
So I mean I used to hate guys like you exactly what you got
39:24
the visit and when they got the money I just I used to even when
39:28
I was on that archetype yard they had you know sex offenders
39:31
there and they were getting visits they were getting money
39:36
and I used to always say just hit me, really hard man.
39:40
I had. I had a lot of hate in my heart
39:45
so JC win because I felt like to me when I'm gone through
39:52
different scenarios with your story that you somewhat hit rock
39:57
bottom. When you're in that year
39:58
solitary and you kind of come to like, I need to I can and start
40:03
kind of believe. But when do you think that the
40:06
True transformation happens so that you become wrong, too
40:09
strong that you become this Force for good.
40:12
What happened? So I was on the bus.
40:19
Going to back to prison. I'm a violation.
40:23
And this is after I got out for the first time and I was out for
40:29
a couple of years, but it made me kind of fall in love with the
40:33
streets before I didn't care, I was bright back in my
40:37
environment, right? So they put me on a bus and they
40:43
they send us to Victorville. And in Victorville, they have,
40:49
you know, two mediums and a high security.
40:53
And when I say hi is, you know, cement walls, 20 feet, whatever.
40:58
Lega just really big and in my head, I'm seeing on the bus.
41:04
So they stopped on the first first prison prisoners get off,
41:08
and I'm like, okay, so I'll probably go to the second one,
41:11
you know, prisoners come off. Second one.
41:15
And there's only three of us left on the bus and we pull up
41:18
to Victorville to the USP. And I looked at the guys and I
41:22
was like, wow, they're sending us behind behind the wall.
41:28
And the guys were the guys, you know, he's still my homie today.
41:33
He's like, I've been here. It's like it's bad, it's not
41:36
good and I was like, wait to tell me that Everything was so
41:48
breathtaking, just adore, the gate opening the wall.
41:53
I mean it really impacts you like crazy.
41:58
And once we got in, I mean we were there for maybe an hour two
42:04
hours. We were going to get fed and
42:07
somebody was already getting stabbed for a piece of chicken.
42:12
Like there was blood all over the walls.
42:14
And Prince and I'm sitting there eating and I'm like, you know,
42:20
what am I, what am I doing here again?
42:23
Like, you know, I'm like 40 years old.
42:29
It's like I'm an old man now. And, and I say that because of
42:35
everything that I've been to, you know, right?
42:38
That's a lie. Everything.
42:39
Yeah. And if it wouldn't have been for
42:43
that guard, that seen my tattoo on my leg and just made some
42:47
phone calls and just you know another angel I call it you know
42:51
he got me out of there and they ended up transferring me to
42:56
Lompoc and Lompoc is alone. I had never been to a little my
43:01
life never And when I got there, I always tell people.
43:05
I had never seen so many white dudes in prison, and they were
43:10
all there for white collar crimes.
43:12
You know, I mean, there was a lot of like Bank crimes.
43:14
There was a lot of just, you know, different kind of crimes.
43:18
Yeah, there was a couple of rough, you know, rough heads
43:20
around around but not too many and the yard look completely
43:26
different. They had a wave pile, they had
43:28
basketball courts, they had a lot of stuff that When I got
43:33
there I was like, man I could do like, 20 years here, it had a
43:41
lot of amenities that so I just I felt different when I went to
43:48
that yard because I felt I guess you could say a little bit
43:52
smart. I felt like I maybe I could
43:55
actually pull this off and I started writing a lot.
44:00
I still have my notebooks. I saw your notebook on.
44:03
On one of your, you actually turn the pages where you've got
44:06
your stuff. I think that's any way goes.
44:08
I think it's on your, is it on your website?
44:10
That that is one of my videos because I did everything that I
44:14
said I was going to do on my yes.
44:16
What? I think so cool.
44:17
Yeah. And I think that's what I get
44:20
when I started following you. I thought man, I love that.
44:22
Anybody who write stuff down like that and then follows
44:25
through, that's just that in itself is inspiring.
44:28
You know, I started with small things, you know, getting my
44:31
license because I didn't have one And then, just all the bad
44:35
stuff that had did that turn my whole life into like chaos.
44:39
I started fixing them, you know, get just everything and it felt
44:43
so good once everything was taken care of because I felt
44:46
like I had an identity. I wasn't, you know, k67 119?
44:50
Yeah, no more just to go over it was pretty cool.
44:55
So this is your, your 40 year old guy.
44:58
You starting to feel like, hey, you know, I'm because I was kind
45:01
of an OG when I went in, I was 47.
45:04
So, you know, you feel, there is a lot of young guys, but so is
45:09
that where it happened for you JC?
45:11
Is that what that was? The, that was the world.
45:14
Where the change really started getting the fuel.
45:17
Yeah, I have, I have 100 names on this notebook of names that I
45:22
was thinking about. Yeah, I wanted to name Like you
45:26
know back then I was just kind of thinking that was going to be
45:29
just Fitness. I didn't really think it was
45:31
going to be what it is now. Yeah.
45:34
And one day, I was just walking the yard with a couple of my
45:37
boys, a lot of my friends thought I was a cook but I was a
45:40
little crazy because I used to I used to walk around with the big
45:44
boots, my cutoff jogging pants, and just a really big sweater.
45:48
Yeah. All the time.
45:50
And I used to jog in them and walk around and they just
45:53
thought I was like a mental patient.
45:55
Well, those boots aren't good. If those are the issued Usos are
45:58
terrible. So you know, in my head I was
46:03
dreaming and that's one thing. I try to explain to people like
46:09
as a kid. I didn't get to have toys, I
46:12
didn't get to have none of that stuff.
46:14
So I played with a lot of cardboards, I played with
46:18
looking at newspaper ads of the toys and playing with them in my
46:22
head. Like, that's, that's how I
46:26
played. So I I guess you could say I've
46:29
used that to my advantage of imagination.
46:31
Sure. Yeah, that's why I have my
46:33
imagination. So I would walk around for
46:36
hours. On the yard and just come up
46:39
with names and video ideas and what I was going to do and just
46:46
just just everything. I once you get me going it's
46:50
like you got to like turn me off.
46:52
What it's just it's fascinating because you you live such a for
47:00
those who want to check it out. Go to go to JC's both his
47:05
website and and to Um, his YouTube channel because there's
47:10
so much content there, that's just so incredible.
47:12
But you know, I told you this before we get started, it's
47:15
incredible that you survived, but was so incredible.
47:18
Is that you survived and figured out how to put the puzzle
47:23
together. And then you started once you
47:26
got out and it wasn't easy, I mean, you and I were talking
47:30
about that the other day, it wasn't easy.
47:33
You know, you've got 80,000 some odd subscribers on.
47:36
YouTube but one point you said you had like 15 or like I don't
47:40
know if this is going to work but you didn't give up on it.
47:43
No, I one thing I am is hard-headed and I'll figure it
47:50
out. You got it pretty much, you got
47:52
it. I mean, I think one of them is
47:55
kind of an emotional story but you have such a way to tell
47:59
stories, but the shoe story can, you can you walk us through how
48:05
that came for you personally and what you Den?
48:08
Turned full circle 180 back around to the kids.
48:16
Where was it was I want to say the early 90s and everybody was
48:21
buying those expensive gym shoes, like Jordans, Bo
48:25
Jackson's. You know and these were back
48:29
then hundred hundred hundred twenty dollars shoes but you
48:33
back then it was probably like 400 dollars, you know?
48:35
So it was very expensive and my dad really didn't care about
48:41
what I what kind of shoes you got me.
48:43
So you know, I was always wearing kind of plastic shoes.
48:47
You know? Jordache has Payless Shoes.
48:51
Yeah. And it affected me so much
48:54
because like I try to play basketball, I tried I tried to
48:58
play a lot of sports. A lot of people don't know that
49:00
like I played a lot of sports box seeing all kinds of stuff
49:03
but I always got made fun of because of my shoes.
49:09
They would rip on the side and my dad wouldn't buy him.
49:11
So I would have to wear them like that.
49:13
So Kids make fun, you know, I just didn't feel good.
49:18
So, I was very young. I want to say, I was in seventh
49:25
grade. Yeah, and I had older gang
49:27
member friends. They were always giving me, we'd
49:30
always, just give me stuff. And since I wasn't using or
49:33
anything, I would just say that up, you know, put it in my
49:36
drawer, save it up and I I learned how to start.
49:42
I started selling drugs and I started, you know, just doing it
49:47
and, and I bought myself the Bo Jackson's and I remember cutting
49:53
grass. And thinking, man, this is going
49:58
to take me a year to be able to save up when I could do it this
50:04
way. So you know, I would always
50:06
measure I guess you could say that the good in the bad but I
50:09
always chose the bad because it was faster easier.
50:14
And you know I got my shoes and out, never forget Maan, they
50:18
were black, the silver like lining the mint made the eggs,
50:22
like it completely. Changed my that first day of
50:28
school that year were. I felt like I was I was the man.
50:32
Yeah. And you know, now I try to do
50:37
that for the kids because I'll have she'll runs because I
50:42
believe that every kid on the first day of school needs to
50:46
have new shoes. Yeah.
50:48
Like I mean, who doesn't get hyped up about the first day of
50:53
school, right? No.
50:55
And, you know, I just I'm a strong believer in them.
50:59
And there's a lot of things that I try to do now that it's about
51:03
the kids, or youth or men might my age because men my age, you
51:08
know, it took us a long time to even I would tell people, I'm
51:11
still a kid trapped in a grown man's body.
51:14
Yeah, like, I'm a kid like this is why I laugh so much.
51:18
This is why I have such a sense of humor, you know, it's stuff
51:21
that made me not go crazy after Everything that I've been
51:25
through like hey it was it was like me, entertaining myself.
51:30
Yeah. How did you how did you work?
51:33
This whole Fitness thing in because there's there's some
51:36
powerful stories on people. I remember the one guy that was
51:40
talking that, you know, he didn't know what to think of you
51:43
and and and he had, you know, he was in a bad way and you did a
51:49
lot of research and figured out what he needed and it really
51:54
Changed his life. But he said, you know, once he
51:56
realized that you were really trying to help him in the best
52:00
way you could and you were, you know, he was struggling and now,
52:04
you know, he's a totally different person.
52:07
What, how did you, how did you push all that together?
52:10
JC to make, you know, wrong too strong, your Fitness.
52:14
I mean, for those who will see this on YouTube, you'll see that
52:18
JC's. Not a little man.
52:20
He's, he's pretty well fed. You can lift quite a bit, I
52:24
think. Think he holds some records for
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lifting. A lot of weight.
52:28
Well I've been working out since I was nine years old, I, there's
52:32
always been way to my house. My dad was a gym rat, and that's
52:37
how he got all his girlfriend's at the gym.
52:39
That's all we were always at the gym working now.
52:43
And when I came home, you know, I wanted a career in something
52:48
that I made my own schedule. I made my own like money,
52:52
everything I controlled everything.
52:54
Because I don't like to have bosses, so I said, okay, I'm
52:59
gonna be a trainer. I'm gonna be the best trainer in
53:03
Arizona, and he knew a lot about it too, right.
53:06
I mean that's there's a passion. Yeah, and I just, I started
53:12
doing it. I I started winning clients over
53:16
because my knowledge was like, just it was, I don't know, the
53:21
big words, I just know the science behind the body, I just
53:24
No, I just know what to tell you to do and we get it done.
53:28
Yeah. And the results were just back
53:31
to back to back to back where everybody started to get to know
53:35
who I was and a year later. I opened up my own gym but I
53:41
ended up back in prison so it's like, it's a crazy story.
53:44
Today, you got 10 hours and tell you the whole quick, but, you
53:50
know, the teeth. But the people that, you know,
53:53
and I know that you win it up. Back and forth.
53:55
And but each time that you end up back and forth you've changed
54:00
and you become a better version of what you want your change to
54:05
be. And I think that's why it's so
54:07
interesting. You know, we're talking here
54:09
today because each time you went back, you came out and and no
54:14
now you're out and I can't see you going back.
54:16
You know it's one of those things where you've you totally
54:20
have transformed. You've totally made the
54:22
transition. You know, doing what you, you
54:27
know, what you're doing fuels you out now and you know how
54:31
you, I guess the other thing is that I find interesting is that
54:36
you used your passion of, knowing how to keep the body fit
54:41
and how to build and become what you should be a better version
54:45
of yourself. But really in a sense and I hear
54:48
these people talk about you, you've kind of become their life
54:51
coach your. Yeah, they're there.
54:54
Getting in shape and they're feeling better.
54:56
But in a sense to you are more of that to your more of a life
55:02
coach to him. I've uh, I've about building
55:06
relationships with my clients because I've learned that, you
55:11
know, everybody has a story. Everybody's been through
55:14
something. And I've learned to I've learned
55:18
more from them than they've had for me.
55:20
Actually, they've been my my good teachers and even how the
55:28
way that I speak everything, they've they've been like my
55:32
teachers my And I train like 50 and over.
55:37
Thank God somebody does elders and it just it made me want to
55:46
do my job better. So I started researching man.
55:50
I start I would come home and watch 12.
55:52
Well, YouTube video about Fitness a YouTube video about
55:55
editing a YouTube video about pictures thumbnails and I was
55:59
just on a schedule, I would just come home, come home, come home
56:01
and I knew it was going to take me long.
56:03
Than a person that get, you know, go to school or I actually
56:08
read a book and learn, but I knew that one day, my hard work
56:13
was going to pay off. So I just I just kept doing that
56:16
doing that, doing that and wrong strong just kept just kept
56:20
changing. It went from a fitness brand to
56:23
supplement brand to. It's really a Lifestyle brand.
56:29
Yeah, it just evolved to so many things.
56:32
I think it needs a A lot to people on wrong, too strong
56:35
because everybody has something wrong that they, you know, it's
56:40
relative in their own life. You know what, whatever, went
56:43
wrong, you know, could have been a bad childhood could have been
56:46
a divorce, could have been somebody's death, you know,
56:48
there's so many things that can occur gone to prison but wrong
56:53
too strong. Really I think means something
56:55
to everybody and I think that's why what you're doing is really
56:59
and I think that's why you have so many followers.
57:01
Your Your message is you can make it.
57:06
Your messages is that regardless of where you've been, you can
57:09
still get over the hurdle and you can still become the person
57:13
you want to become and that's what I think is.
57:16
So powerful about what you're doing.
57:18
JC is you, you are using and this is what this podcast is
57:23
about. You know, nightmare success is
57:25
about, you don't get success without walking through your
57:28
fears, in your nightmares, you've got to knock that or go
57:31
under it around or whatever. You got to step into it and it's
57:35
not-it's not fun to step into because you got to step out of
57:37
your comfort zone and I think that's what your secret sauce
57:42
is. I think that and I think that's
57:43
why I was drawn to you you know over a year ago is it your first
57:49
of all your your story is so impactful but you continually
57:54
show that you can do it and that's what people like people
57:59
like a good comeback and people like to think you know what But
58:04
look at, look at JC, he's making it happen.
58:06
Maybe I can get off the couch here and not sit on the side
58:09
because I always tell people, you know, JC you don't want to
58:12
be the guy sitting on, you know, you're rocking chair on the, the
58:16
porch at 85 years old. So I wish I could have gotten
58:19
into the game and, you know, that's what your stories about
58:24
you got on the field, my not been perfect, that you're
58:27
playing the game and you're making the making the plays, and
58:30
I think that's what people like. About what you're doing and, you
58:34
know, I think wrong too strong as a perfect brand for you to.
58:39
God knows what you're going to do with it.
58:41
You're probably be a movie star. I'm taking a taking a theater
58:47
track, I know you told me you're in college and I did a couple of
58:51
acting things and I'm just, I'm a dreamer.
58:55
I've been a dream since I was a kid.
58:57
And, you know, I just feel that when you set your mind to do
59:02
stuff and you You discipline yourself, you you you could
59:06
accomplish anything, you are like it's just I tell people
59:11
I've only been out for five years.
59:13
Yeah. And in a lot of people are like
59:16
get out of here and I'm like, yeah.
59:18
But man, I came out and I hit the ground running.
59:23
Yeah, like, yeah. I made some of the same mistakes
59:26
I had made in my life but it's because I didn't know better.
59:30
I just, I was still kind of learning.
59:33
So, I had to maneuver, but my big, my big honestly, my big
59:37
change came when I when I met my wife and she introduced me to,
59:42
you know, to my faith. And it just started changing my
59:45
life, even more. My discipline just added on to
59:50
that and everything started to change.
59:53
Everything started to fall in place, you know, I'm a firm
59:56
believer that God is, is using me for a purpose and I'm just
1:00:01
staying on course doing what? I have to do.
1:00:04
And one of those big things is me of being of service, helping
1:00:08
people, you know, change and just just guiding them.
1:00:13
I just hold the flashlight, they got to do the work, you know.
1:00:16
That's it. I guess I always ask people this
1:00:20
on the show is what do you think's your biggest takeaway
1:00:23
through everything. I mean, you've lived one hell of
1:00:25
a journey. I mean, for those people
1:00:27
listening out there. What do you think is your
1:00:29
biggest takeaway through all this Amber why I cry every day?
1:00:35
There's not a day that I don't cry because I'm so grateful of
1:00:38
what my life is today, because of everything that I've been
1:00:41
went, like, I'll start crying right now.
1:00:43
Okay, you making me emotional. I don't know what you're gonna
1:00:45
say, and it's just because I'm just so grateful of my wife, my
1:00:51
house, my life, my friends. You Peter just just everything
1:00:57
the way that who I'm surrounding myself with, I'm so blessed,
1:01:01
man. And I just want to keep helping
1:01:04
people, man, because if I feel like this, everybody should feel
1:01:08
this way. Yeah, man.
1:01:09
That's that's, that's good stuff.
1:01:11
And and, you know, it's and I guess that's the thing that at
1:01:16
all, this stuff you could have gone in such a dark path for the
1:01:22
rest of your life. JC.
1:01:24
And you just, you didn't, you know, you made it.
1:01:28
You made another turn and that was the right turn on the fork
1:01:30
in the road. And I really think that's that's
1:01:34
the secret to your success. And I think, you know, your
1:01:36
personal life getting that to have a foundation and feel like
1:01:40
you've got that, you know, grab onto.
1:01:44
I think that's also a big piece of that to get to you.
1:01:49
I know you can just Google you. I mean, you got tons of stuff on
1:01:52
me wrong. Just strong, is your website
1:01:58
wrong too, strong on your Tube. That's the I mean there's so
1:02:03
many great things on your YouTube channel.
1:02:06
Subscribe, anything else. I didn't ask you JC.
1:02:12
I leave anything out Irene, man. It's been, it's been a crazy
1:02:17
ride. It's people.
1:02:20
People are like well, how many years did how many years that
1:02:23
and I'm like mad if I knew it would be a big like it would
1:02:28
solve the whole puzzle. Yeah, you know I mean because my
1:02:31
life was so you know so like just like a pinball machine just
1:02:36
back and forth and in and out of prison violence just murder and
1:02:41
that's why I tell people. That's why I'm so grateful
1:02:43
because I didn't, I didn't know. Peace.
1:02:48
Could be like this joyful, this, this, it could feel this way and
1:02:52
having a partner to like be able to enjoy that with and man, it's
1:02:57
just it's changed my life so much.
1:02:59
And I just, I want to just keep helping people might feel the
1:03:03
way that I feel and you know you could be so bitter, you know of
1:03:07
being, you know, a kid that was more or less tortured and and
1:03:10
went through all the things you'd never want to.
1:03:12
Child to go through and then go into that other Dark World and
1:03:17
you're not bitter and it just exudes out of you, your
1:03:20
gratitude, your gratefulness. And, you know, I think that's
1:03:24
why people in people want to be around that and I've, you know,
1:03:28
so impressed with your success. And so happy for your success,
1:03:31
JC, you've done great for those out there who are still looking
1:03:38
for a book that you didn't buy it at Christmas.
1:03:41
There's a Nightmare success. The The one I wrote, check it
1:03:44
out, on Amazon, you can get it at Barnes and Noble.
1:03:47
You can actually get it at Walmart to.
1:03:50
If it's great to go to either, you know, Apple, you can you can
1:03:55
follow the show, go to Spotify, you can hit the Bell, leave me a
1:03:59
review on Apple because it helps promote the show through.
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Love the reviews broadcast e.com, leave a message.
1:04:07
I love to go back and forth. In fact, I had somebody come on
1:04:09
the other day and they gave me an idea.
1:04:11
So love all that As I used to say, when I was at Leavenworth,
1:04:17
right? In my e-mails back and forth to
1:04:19
the people on the outside. Stay strong.
1:04:22
And I'll do the same to mr. Wrong, and strong JC, man.
1:04:25
Thank you so much today. Thank you for having me, bro.
1:04:30
All right, man. Nightmare success in and out.
1:04:28
Thank you for having me, bro. All right, man.
1:04:30
Nightmare success in and out.