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Master Your Metabolism: The Guide to Body Communication · Chatting with The Experts with Paula Okonneh

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  Hello everyone, and welcome to another episode of Chatting with the Experts
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  TV show and podcast where I, the host, Paula Okonneh speak with women.
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  Women from Africa, the Caribbean, and in the diaspora.
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  But sometimes I make exceptions.
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  I've had men on the show and I've also had women who have visited Africa or the
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  Caribbean and they are excellent guests.
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  Well, today
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  I am gonna be speaking with Dr. Jeanette Linder, but before she
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  comes on, let me tell you what we are gonna be talking about.
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  Our topic today is the Metabolic communication Method- Learning
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  to Listen and Talk to your Body.
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  Isn't that exciting?
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  And Dr. Linder says, "most of us have stopped listening to our bodies when we
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  were young, and now we don't know how."
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  She says, "learning to listen subjectively and objectively takes
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  training and patience, but it is possible then you can help your body
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  heal and improve your health span.
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  I can't wait for that.
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  So I'll tell you a bit about her before she joins us.
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  She is a functional and integrative physician dedicated to
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  patient-centered personalized care.
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  Her leadership experience spans large hospital systems and private practices
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  managing budgets up to $40 million.
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  How many of you have seen that?
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  I can't imagine what $40 million looks like, but she'll tell us about that.
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  And she builds high integrity teams focused on safety,
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  inclusivity, and strong work ethics.
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  She has an integrative approach and emphasizes five key lifestyle factors,
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  which are movement, nutrition, sleep, and rest, stress management and connection.
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  Wow.
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  I got so much to say about her, but why don't I invite her to join us?
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  Welcome to the show, Dr. Linder.
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  Thank you so much.
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  Did I say everything about you?
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  Your bio was so impressive, like oh my goodness, and I was like,
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  oh, I think it's time I stopped reading and have you appear.
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  So thank you for joining us.
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  Happy to be here.
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  So, you say that we don't listen to our bodies once we get a bit older than what,
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  15 or 10, we stop listening to our bodies and we stop talking back to our bodies.
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  Tell us how we can do that.
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  At my age, it may be a bit difficult, but I'm willing to learn.
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  You know, it's so hard because when we get engrossed in something, we forget to eat.
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  Mm-hmm.
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  Or we forget to go to the bathroom, or we're having fun playing in the yard.
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  That's not such a bad way of not listening to your body, but then
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  we start to work, and work and work and the phone rings and it's home.
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  You don't answer it.
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  The phone rings and it's work.
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  You do answer it.
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  Your bladder rings and you completely ignore it until you have not gone to the
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  bathroom for hours and hours and hours.
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  And I used to think that my compensation package should be based upon bladder
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  capacity, 'cause I would've had the most money in the building.
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  But that's not how it works.
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  Instead, all I did was just make myself miserable.
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  And ignore those messages.
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  I didn't eat when I was hungry.
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  I didn't sleep when I was tired.
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  And you know, after you stay up for a while, well you're awake again.
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  And then when you wanna go to sleep, you can't.
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  So how do you start to listen again?
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  It takes a lot of effort.
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  For some people they can do it just through subjective things, writing
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  journals or paying attention or focusing on one little thing at a time.
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  I was much more stubborn than that.
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  I needed to have objective measures of my sleep, of my activity, of my
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  blood sugar, of my metabolism, and it took time and it took grace and
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  forgiveness because we've been shamed for so long for not working hard enough
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  and then not taking care of ourselves and nobody told you how to do both.
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  So you know, it is not an easy process.
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  And it took me a long time.
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  I had to burn out and be completely exhausted because I was doing the
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  work thing and the home thing.
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  And in a one year period, I lost 13 friends and family in
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  my personal life, not patients.
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  I was, you know, the go-to doc who answered the questions and helped
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  with some of the end of life things.
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  And I was, you know, still working time and a half and all of those things.
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  And, I just burned out to a crisp and I realized I need to take the advice
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  I've given to my patients, which is when you're in crisis, you're the only
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  person who can be the sister or the mother or the wife or the daughter.
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  Anybody else can take out the trash or do the dishes or run to the store, but you're
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  the only person who can do those things.
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  And I realized I need to do the same thing and my friends and family group.
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  So I retired and I also realized, thank you.
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  I was exhausted.
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  My health had gotten worse.
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  So I work with a nutritionist and I got worse because just 'cause
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  they're a nutritionist doesn't mean that they listen and they get you.
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  And she shamed me for not knowing these things 'cause
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  I'm a doctor and I should know.
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  Mm-hmm.
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  So, I started to study really hard.
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  I was really demoralized.
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  I'm like, if I can't figure this out, how are other people gonna figure this out?
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  And I spent hundreds and hundreds of hours studying functional medicine.
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  And reviewing all sorts of things and starting to listen to my body with
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  wearables and other things like that.
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  And then in six months, I lowered my cholesterol, 70
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  points without any medication.
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  I slept better.
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  I was happier, I was healthier.
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  And my daughter said, retirement looks good on you.
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  And then I miss serving humanity, so I went back and I decided I
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  needed to help other people do this because it was so hard for me.
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  How are they gonna figure it out?
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  How are they gonna have the time to figure it out?
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  There you are.
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  To tell us how, because this is, I mean, everything you spoke about, and
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  I'm not a physician, but everything you spoke about, I could relate to,
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  you know, staying up late at night to finish some work for some clients.
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  And I'm thinking blue light is not good and so I'm struggling to stay
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  awake and then of course being exposed to so much blue light 'cause I'm
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  working on a computer, then I'm awake.
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  My body's tired, and so I finish what I'm doing and then go to bed,
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  let's say at 4:00 AM get up at seven, three hours sleep and I can't
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  function for the rest of the day.
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  And I think to myself, if I had just slept through the night and woken up,
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  I'm sure I could have gotten through that project instead of in five hours.
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  I could have done it in two and a half, if not less so, yes.
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  Yes, exactly.
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  I get things done so quickly now I feel kind of guilty 'cause it used to take
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  me so long before when I was distracted and exhausted and trying to pound the
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  caffeine and the sugar to stay awake.
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  Mm-hmm.
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  And now I just get it done because I can focus.
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  It's such a gift.
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  I'm very lucky that I had that break.
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  A lot of people don't have that.
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  So how are they gonna learn to do it without that 18 months off?
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  Yes, yes, yes.
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  But I love the fact that you said you went back and you went back to serve humanity.
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  You missed humanity, and you went back to serve humanity.
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  Yes.
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  Talk a bit about that.
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  I know you're doing integrative medicine, so...
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  Yeah.
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  So I went back in a couple of different ways.
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  Mm-hmm.
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  I have been a radiation oncologist my whole career.
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  I love that.
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  I consider that crisis intervention.
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  I love helping my patients.
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  I love doing that, but it's not something I wanna do 50, 60 hours
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  a week anymore, and certainly not a hundred like I did at my worst.
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  And so I do that part-time in another state when they need me.
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  And I started my functional practice which is virtual, so I can take
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  care of people in multiple states and I can have nice time with them.
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  It's not a 15 minute visit.
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  I've never had such a thing in this practice because helping people
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  change the way they live takes dedication and it's very personalized.
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  What I would say to you would be very different than what I would
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  say to myself or someone else.
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  And then I also found a way with this wonderful partner who I met, who's
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  a career strategist to help people anywhere in the world, women who are
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  ambitious and climbing the corporate or entrepreneurial ladder of leadership.
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  Mm-hmm.
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  Without destroying their health and relationships.
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  So, we try to ignite leadership from within and we call that
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  Arise and Be Well workshops.
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  And so that way I don't need to have a medical license in every state
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  and country, but I can help people learn to take care of themselves.
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  So I kind of unretired three times.
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  So cool.
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  Unretired.
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  Three times.
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  Okay.
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  Yeah.
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  And I still have a life.
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  And you're still smiling?
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  Yeah.
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  Wow.
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  So, for those listening of viewing this, 'cause this is a global
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  podcast, what exactly do you mean?
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  Well, you mentioned something a few minutes ago about being on virtual
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  and Rise and what was the other be...
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  Well.
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  Rise and be well.
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  Tell us a little bit about that, because you said it's virtual, so anyone,
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  anywhere can be your client, your patient, and learn how to rise and be well.
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  Yes, so the Rise part is taught by my partner Michelle Lance, who is
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  a career strategist who worked her way up from bartender to national
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  executive at a Fortune 10 company, so she knows how to get it done.
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  She's amazing.
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  She teaches the Rise part, which are the career strategies,
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  and I teach the Be Well.
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  And of course you need them both because in her career coaching she saw that all
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  these people were suffering with the same sorts of lifestyle issues that we all do.
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  And you need to have them both to succeed.
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  You can't give your best presentation to the board and seal a huge deal
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  if you can't think straight and focus and you're yawning, right.
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  Or you're, you know, jittery from too much caffeine.
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  So, we do workshops that are virtual, live or recorded.
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  We have an online school and we also do corporate trainings,
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  so it's pretty exciting.
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  That's really exciting.
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  Oh my gosh.
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  I love, you know, , I've always been in the online space
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  before it became the norm.
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  , And I was saying to someone today that unfortunately, I know Covid was a tough
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  time for so many people, but at the same time, it made remote work so much
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  more accessible to others worldwide.
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  So that now you know, you can impact lives positively wherever that person
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  may be as long as they have some form of internet connection and then they have,
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  you know, like Zoom or Teams or some other way that they can connect with you.
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  And it has made the world smaller.
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  So must it has, it's amazing.
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  Yes.
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  And then I'm lucky enough to be in these wonderful women's
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  entrepreneurial groups where I met you.
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  And they're global as well.
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  So I meet people who are mentors from other countries and
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  friends and it's really lovely.
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  Yes, yes.
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  I'm so thankful for this.
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  So let's talk about the difference now between functional medicine
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  and conventional medicine.
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  How do they fit together actually?
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  That's such a good question, and it's a controversial one.
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  It's always been controversial.
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  It's especially controversial with some of the things going on in the news because
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  the combination is misunderstood in many times, people think of extreme supplements
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  and herbs and you know, things that are very far from the mainstream, but that's
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  not the kind of medicine that I practice.
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  So conventional medicine, we're all familiar with that.
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  Basically you learn a diagnosis and then there's a series of pills or procedures
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  and rarely lifestyle that are recommended.
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  We know from the World Health Organization that 71% of chronic
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  illnesses are due to lifestyle.
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  Now, the other 29% need conventional medicine with pills
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  and procedures and lifestyle.
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  Everybody needs lifestyle and so I do love the crisis intervention of the
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  conventional medicine model, and I love the escorting people to wellness
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  side of the functional and integrative medicine side, and they can go together.
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  And if you just do one or the other, you're gonna miss out on what's needed.
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  You know, conventional medicine is much better for acute things like infections
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  and major injuries and things that require surgery and mechanical things that are
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  broken, and cancer and things like that.
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  It's not so good at things like diabetes and heart disease and other things
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  that the medicines may cover up for a while, but continue to get worse over
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  the years where you can at least improve partially and sometimes completely
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  with significant changes in lifestyles and selective herbs and supplements.
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  I don't use them a lot.
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  I like lifestyle first, which of course, it is more challenging.
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  It's much easier to take a pill and have something done to
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  you than to change your life.
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  So true.
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  So true.
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  And you know, being educated on how to make lifestyle changes creates the
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  lifestyle change because lots of people don't know, you know, they run out as you
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  said, and probably get supplements, and it's taken a while for us to know that
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  not all supplements are good for you.
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  And you gotta still sometimes know your body.
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  You know, as you talked about earlier on, listening and talking to your body.
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  For example, I was having some knee pain and someone said, you know, get some
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  turmeric and boil it with some ginger and make a tea, homemade tea and drink it.
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  I did that and I did it because, oh, oh my gosh, this feels so good.
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  And then I noticed my head start to spin and I'm like, why am I feeling so dizzy?
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  And it was after doing some research and talking to my sister who's a physician,
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  she's like, do you know ginger and turmeric can lower your blood pressure?
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  And I was like, never thought about that.
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  I have low blood pressure and so I shouldn't take anything.
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  But those were natural things, you know.
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  I impressed
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  Your sister knew that.
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  Most docs would not know that, so kudos to her.
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  But yes, you know, there are times when they, when you can use those things and
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  sprinkle them in or sometimes higher doses, but everything has a consequence.
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  Good, bad, neutral, whatever.
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  But our biggest anti-inflammatory is movement exercise.
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  It's also the only thing proven to help prevent Alzheimer's.
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  You know, these pills might slow it down a wee bit, but they don't cure it.
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  They don't prevent it, but exercise does.
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  And so how do you get people to make changes?
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  Well, they need to be motivated and it needs to be personalized.
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  If we gave everybody the same list of things.
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  We know that doesn't work.
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  How many people join the gym in January and stop three weeks later?
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  Mm-hmm.
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  Right.
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  They'll have access to these things, we have to find something that sparks
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  joy or interest or has something that makes them want to continue the habit.
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  So the key is habit stacking.
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  You know, like I couldn't remember to take my medicine.
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  I'm like, how can I yell at my patients if I can't remember it myself?
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  So, right.
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  I had to put my medicine next to my toothbrush and took out my night pack
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  and my morning pack with my toothbrush.
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  I'd brush my teeth at night, take my night stuff, put it away, brush
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  my teeth in the morning, take my morning stuff, put it away.
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  You can do the same thing for what you eat and your movement, your connection
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  with people and yourself, your meditation.
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  You just create these little habits, two minutes at a time, five minutes
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  at a time, 10 minutes at a time, and before you know it, my morning routine
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  went from two minutes to 45 minutes.
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  I've built the time in there and sometimes an hour if I sneak in the New
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  York Times puzzles, but it's by choice.
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  It's not rushed.
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  It makes me really happy and it ticks a lot of important boxes, and
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  now it happens automatically because I've built it two minutes at a time.
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  That's so helpful to know, and I think it's even more so... sometimes
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  for physicians, I was married to a physician, so you know, people tend to
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  think physicians, because you all are the many times the caretakers that.
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  You don't also have the same human problems that other humans have, you know?
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  But to say that, you know, you have to build it into your lifestyle.
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  Start with, like you said, you didn't remember to take
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  your pills in the morning.
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  So you put it near to your toothbrush because you knew you
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  were gonna brush your teeth.
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  Right?
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  And telling a patient that sometimes I'm sure changes the whole.
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  Oh my gosh.
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  I keep forgetting.
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  Oh, I must get the pill box.
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  And the pill box is in the kitchen and you brush your teeth in
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  the bathroom and so you forget.
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  You're rushing up such a simple solution to...
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  yeah.
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  Make a world of difference.
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  And that might not work for another person who needs to take it at
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  a different time of day, but we have to find what works for them.
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  And physicians are notoriously bad at taking care of themselves.
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  I mean, the early death rate is pretty high.
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  So, everybody has the same kind of body.
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  They just function differently, and you have to learn the care and
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  feeding of your own body and give other people grace when they need
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  different things from you than you.
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  So true.
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  So true.
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  So I know you emphasize five lifestyle factors, movement, nutrition, sleep and
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  rest, stress management, and connection.
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  How can we modify that?
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  What do you mean by when you say five modifiable lifestyles?
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  So that's what I learned from the Institute for Functional Medicine.
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  Mm-hmm.
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  Those are the main aspects of your life that all contribute to your metabolism.
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  Mm-hmm.
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  So, you know, when you have a bad night's sleep and you can't think
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  clearly and you're craving carbs and your guts might not be quite right.
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  Your joints are stiff and you have more pain.
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  That's a direct result of your metabolism being altered because you didn't have
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  time to rest and digest and lower your blood sugar and make your brain happy.
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  When you're sleeping, it's the only time that your brain can clean itself.
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  That can happen with all sorts of other things.
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  Some people have chronic illness because they're chronically stressed and they're
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  clenching their teeth and their blood pressure is up or other things like that.
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  Or they could have rashes because they are massively stressed
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  and until they work on that.
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  Some of that will get better when you cover it up with steroids, but you
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  stop the steroids and they come back.
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  Come right back.
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  Yep.
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  Yeah.
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  Or it could be nutrition, you know, and stress is a really an interesting
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  thing because it's not just what you're thinking and who's around you.
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  It's everything in, on and around your body.
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  The carpets on the floor.
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  Mm-hmm.
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  The perfumes that someone may have that you're sensitive to.
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  Some people are super smells and they live in a world of discomfort because
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  everything's an assault on them, which actually is a sign that they're
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  metabolically out of balance because little things are very difficult to
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  tolerate either because they're super irritable, because they've had caffeine
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  and their stress hormones are building up.
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  They've had something else and they can't clear them out.
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  You know, sometimes you can't make enough, sometimes you can't get rid of them.
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  It's like the chocolate factory with Lucille Ball and, Lucy and
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  Ethel on the I Love Lucy show.
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  Yeah.
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  If you've ever seen, when they're working in the chocolate factory and the chocolate
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  is coming by and they're supposed to put it in the little cups and it keeps going
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  and it speeds up and they can't keep up.
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  So they start eating them and they start shoving 'em in their pockets
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  and they start throwing them on the floor, and now there's not
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  enough chocolate going downstream.
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  So if you imagine that Lucy and Ethel are the enzymes in your body that
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  can't keep up either because you have a genetic predisposition that makes
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  them slower or because you're missing the fuel that they need to work, like
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  vitamins and minerals that make them work.
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  And so not only is the chocolate building up over here, that chocolate
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  might be a very irritating chemical that's super helpful in a medium amount
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  and super irritating in a high amount.
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  And then you've got this enzyme down here that's not getting what it needs.
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  Mm-hmm.
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  So now this one's too low and this one's too high.
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  And if all these gears work together.
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  And they're all out of sync, your orchestra sounds terrible and you
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  feel terrible, so your pain is up and your immune system is down and
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  you're very unpleasant to be around.
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  That's how our bodies work.
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  So sleep, movement, connection, that's relationships with other
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  people and yourself and nutrition and movement, all help those gears move
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  the way they're supposed to move.
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  And enable us to function the way we're supposed to function.
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  Yes.
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  Yes.
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  I mean, nutrition makes such a difference, but the right nutrition.
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  I'm learning more and more because, like you said, the chocolate, made
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  me think about when I was younger, my job was to eat these fried
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  bananas, or we call them plantains.
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  I love them.
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  I love them and I obviously love them too much as a kid because that was
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  my job every Sunday and I don't know how my parents didn't figure out if
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  like so much to fry and this small quantity is always coming to the table.
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  'Cause as I was eating, as I was frying them, I was...
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  I can relate to that.
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  It wasn't good for my skin.
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  At that time I was, you know, 12, 13, when you start getting acne and pimples.
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  Yeah, exactly.
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  Mm-hmm.
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  Exactly.
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  It's also not your fault that you like the taste of that, you know?
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  And in Mother Nature, those sorts of things are only
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  around for a few weeks a year.
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  And so it's fine if you snuff down every plantain that you see, but in modern
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  world, we can get those all the time.
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  Yes.
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  And we eat them way out of proportion.
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  You know, it used to be tons of plants, maybe some grains,
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  some meat every so often.
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  And now it's tons of grains that have been broken into little byproducts and
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  things that have been turned into a tiny little subset of what they normally are.
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  So all the clothes have been taken off the food, so it just rushes into your
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  bloodstream and it makes you high.
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  You know, people used to say, I want whatever Jeanette's on.
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  'cause in high school I was like so fun at the parties.
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  I was doing M and Ms and brownies, and there was no hash in my brownies.
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  I was offered that, but I didn't want sticks in my brownies.
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  I just wanted the sugar, just gimme the real sugar.
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  And they didn't see me hours later when I would crash and feel terrible.
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  They only saw me when I was zipping around laughing like crazy.
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  And that's what it's meant to do in your body, give you energy quickly.
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  But we're not supposed to have it all the time.
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  And then when we do, we get outta balance and we literally have an addiction
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  cycle, and then we get sad and grumpy and have cravings when we don't get it.
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  And then that changes our guts.
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  The microbes that live in our guts actually put out chemicals
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  that go straight to our brain, that make us crave carbs.
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  Isn't that crazy?
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  Yes.
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  And it also puts out inflammatory chemicals.
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  So our joints hurt.
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  So now we're grumpy, we're craving carbs.
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  Everything is sore and we just wanna feel good.
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  So we do a little more caffeine and sugar and we feel pretty good for about an hour.
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  Yes.
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  And we feel terrible.
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  And the cycle continues.
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  Lather, rinse, repeat.
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  Yes, that's it.
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  That's it.
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  Dr. Linder.
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  So, wow.
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  I can't believe we've been talking for this long.
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  Yeah.
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  So, if we want to really start, can you summarize it?
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  If we really want to start learning how to listen and talk back to
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  our bodies, where do we start?
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  Do we start?
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  So to keep it really simple, which may sound fancy, but it's not, you
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  can get an over the counter continuous glucose monitor, and that will tell
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  you how your body responds to different foods, at different times of the day
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  based upon how active you are, whether you're upset or not, the order in which
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  you ate them, it's a game changer.
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  And there are two companies that sell 'em over the counter
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  for very reasonable prices.
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  One is hellolingo.com.
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  H-E-L-L-O-L-I-N-G-O dot com and I am not an affiliate.
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  I'm not getting money for this.
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  They have a really nice interface and then stello.com, ST-E-L-L-O dot
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  com, and they both are accessible for about $89-$99 a month where
• 27:33
  you can start to do experiments.
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  Some people only need to wear them for a month.
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  I've, I wear them off and on, and for a couple of years I've found
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  that I can tolerate things now that I couldn't tolerate before.
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  I could not eat an apple and peanut butter before.
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  Now I can.
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  Because my metabolism is healing and I don't spike higher, and I'm
• 27:55
  much more active and happy now.
• 27:57
  So that's a good way to get something.
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  Journaling is really important and you can take it to a lot of detail.
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  You can write down your symptoms in great detail, or you can keep it very simple.
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  Today my energy is high, medium, low.
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  My mood is good, grumpy, you know, neutral.
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  My guts are good, or you can keep it very, very simple.
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  And then start to compare.
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  This other information, and then you can do it for all five
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  modifiable lifestyle factors.
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  You know, how much did I move?
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  When's the last time I talked to a friend?
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  You know, am I ignoring voicemails from my fabulous cousin?
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  You know, should I really get in touch with her and feel good?
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  Or is this other person not so good for me to be around?
• 28:45
  So I limit our visit to 30 minutes and, you know, so you're not, don't have
• 28:50
  to necessarily end the relationship, although sometimes you don't.
• 28:54
  So all these things could be very simple, or if you're like me and you're a data
• 28:59
  junkie, I like to get lots of information.
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  I like to use a device called Lumen, that allows me to look at my metabolism
• 29:08
  to see how much fat and how much carb I'm burning, which is really interesting
• 29:14
  and it took me a while to figure out how to wake up and fat burn, which is
• 29:20
  the way you're supposed to wake up.
• 29:22
  But if you're really stressed or you ate too late, or you ate too many
• 29:26
  carbs or you're not getting enough sleep or other things like that, you
• 29:31
  won't go into fat burn in the morning.
• 29:33
  And that took me a while to figure out, and I'm back there thankfully.
• 29:39
  Wow.
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  Yes.
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  These are all good things that we need to know about, you know, understanding
• 29:45
  and , as you said, listening and talking back to our body sometimes involves
• 29:50
  getting, you know, these like wearables or journal I'd like to journal and, and
• 29:54
  then you talked about Lumen, did you say?
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  L-U-M-E-N, and that's a very cool device, but that's just
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  kind of the beginning of it.
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  You know, when you put it together with very detailed intake.
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  You know, when I see a patient, I spend a lot of time reviewing their symptoms,
• 30:15
  their story, you know, what happened to you before you were born actually
• 30:19
  affects the way your body works.
• 30:21
  Yeah.
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  About your life.
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  And so you can take it to a much deeper level.
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  But if you wanna try to start this on your own, a lot of people feel a
• 30:31
  lot better when they just start to discover how they react to certain
• 30:35
  foods and drinks and circumstances.
• 30:39
  Now having the desire to change once you learn that information
• 30:43
  is a whole nother conversation.
• 30:46
  It is indeed.
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  And we may have to have that another time.
• 30:50
  Yeah.
• 30:51
  I have learned so much from you.
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  Thank you.
• 30:53
  So for those listening in or viewing this later, and we are gonna have people who
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  join us, how can people find you online?
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  Do you have a website?
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  Are you on LinkedIn?
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  Any of the social, other social media?
• 31:04
  I do.
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  I'm on LinkedIn, Dr. Jeanette Linder Wellness and my website
• 31:09
  is drjeanettelinder.com.
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  Note only one N in Jeanette.
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  I'm on Instagram.
• 31:15
  I am not a very good social media type person, but, I will
• 31:19
  respond if you, if you contact me.
• 31:21
  And then my business with Michelle Lance is lancelinder.com,
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  L-A-N-C-E-L-I-N-D-E-R dot com.
• 31:32
  And we actually have a workshop starting at the end of June if you want a live
• 31:38
  one, every other week for four sessions.
• 31:42
  And then every month for four more sessions, we'll meet live
• 31:48
  for about an hour and a half.
• 31:49
  So we can go over a lot of really cool stuff in the Rise And Be Well workshop and
• 31:54
  then you get a chance for some one-on-one coaching during those calls as well.
• 31:59
  That's awesome I wish I had remembered, oh, maybe you and Michelle
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  Lance can come on and you know, talk about how you work together.
• 32:09
  We'd love to.
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  We have a lot of fun.
• 32:12
  It sounds like you do.
• 32:14
  Yeah.
• 32:15
  It's for those of you who listen and who are listening in or viewing this later
• 32:19
  on, I wanted to tell you and encourage you that if you'd like to be a guest on
• 32:24
  my show, reach out to me on my website, which is chattingwiththeexperts.com.
• 32:29
  I'm also on LinkedIn as Paula Okonneh.
• 32:31
  And I do have a business page.
• 32:33
  There I am on Instagram, my handle there is @ chat_experts_podcast.
• 32:44
  And I also on Facebook and you, I hesitate a bit because I should
• 32:49
  be more active on Facebook, but I'm not, and I'm working on that.
• 32:53
  I also have a YouTube channel.
• 32:55
  You can reach us there.
• 32:57
  Please subscribe and share with others because one thing that we as women
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  need to do is to encourage other women to be inspired, to be empowered
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  and to be educated, because there's so many things that we don't know,
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  but we can learn from each other.
• 33:15
  So thank you so much Dr. Jeanette Linder.
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  Lots of fun
• 33:21
  . Being a guest.
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  And then now let's wait for those who have joined us to ask
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  you questions, live questions.
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  Thank you.