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Ep. 342: Epic Hunting Road Trips and Archery with Chris Bee · Wired To Hunt Podcast

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  Speaker 1: Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast, your home for
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  Speaker 1: deer hunting news, stories and strategies, and now your host,
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  Speaker 1: Mark Kenyon. Welcome to the Wired to Hunt Podcast. I'm
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  Speaker 1: your host, Mark Kenyan, and this is episode number three
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  Speaker 1: forty two. In the show, I am joined by professional archer,
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  Speaker 1: Avid bow Hunter and YouTube phenomen Chris B to discuss
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  Speaker 1: competitive archery, mental strength in the Moment of truth, and
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  Speaker 1: epic road trip hunting. All right, welcome to the Wired
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  Speaker 1: to Hunt podcast, brought to you by on X. Today,
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  Speaker 1: we've got a fun show for you as I'm joined
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  Speaker 1: by Chris B. Now, Chris is a fellow Michigander and
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  Speaker 1: uh proud to say, a fellow Michigan State alum. And well,
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  Speaker 1: I don't know if he's an a lumb yet, he's
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  Speaker 1: a Michigan State attendee. Hand a guy that I started
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  Speaker 1: taking notice of a few years ago through his popular
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  Speaker 1: be Real YouTube channel where he showcases all sorts of
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  Speaker 1: pretty epic hunting trips and archery videos and various other
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  Speaker 1: fun antics. And he's doing a he's doing a very
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  Speaker 1: good job with it. It's it's good stuff, it's fun stuff.
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  Speaker 1: In addition to the hunting and shooting media he produces.
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  Speaker 1: He's also a professional archer, having been a Vegas Shoot
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  Speaker 1: finalist and having had multiple national and international podium finishes. So,
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  Speaker 1: in short, the guy's a hell of a shot. He's
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  Speaker 1: a bass to the wall hunter and a very good storyteller,
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  Speaker 1: and that, in my mind, is the recipe for a
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  Speaker 1: good chat. So today with Chris, we talked a little
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  Speaker 1: bit about his competitive archer history and the ways that
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  Speaker 1: shaped him as a hunter. We discussed some of the
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  Speaker 1: lessons he's learned along the way about archery and competition
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  Speaker 1: that have helped him perform in high pressure situations like hunting.
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  Speaker 1: We dive into archery advice and practice regiments. We finally
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  Speaker 1: spend a lot of time actually discussing his most recent
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  Speaker 1: hunting season, which involved just it was an insane hunting season.
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  Speaker 1: He had a d i y road trip to Alaska,
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  Speaker 1: a three state tour across the West in a impressively
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  Speaker 1: rigged camping van. He had more white tail hunts than
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  Speaker 1: I think you can count on two hands, uh, And
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  Speaker 1: across all that we touch on his favorite gear. We
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  Speaker 1: talked about camping, food, hunting lessons learned, tips for planning, hunting,
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  Speaker 1: road trips and a whole lot more so, that is
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  Speaker 1: what we have in store for you. And during times
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  Speaker 1: like these, while we're recording, which is in late March
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  Speaker 1: mid the whole COVID nineteen pandemic, I think we need
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  Speaker 1: conversations like this more than ever. You know. It's it's
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  Speaker 1: one that's full optimism and fun and some escapism, and
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  Speaker 1: it's just jam packed with something that we love so much,
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  Speaker 1: which is hunting, and we need a little more of
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  Speaker 1: that love and excitement right now, I think. So get
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  Speaker 1: ready for an escape from the bad news and an
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  Speaker 1: invitation to dream about your next hunting trip too. I
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  Speaker 1: hope you enjoy it, and we'll talk to you soon.
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  Speaker 1: All right, now, on the other side of the line
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  Speaker 1: with me, I've got Chris B. Welcome to show. Chris,
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  Speaker 1: thanks for having me Mark. Let's say it's exciting. I'm
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  Speaker 1: excited to be talking on this. I've listened for a
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  Speaker 1: long time. That's awesome, man. Well, thanks for listening and
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  Speaker 1: for making the time um to do this. I guess
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  Speaker 1: a lot of us have maybe a little more time
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  Speaker 1: than usual since most people are on lockdown here at
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  Speaker 1: home given the crazy things. Now you're you're in Michigan, right, Yeah, Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I'm not too far from Yeah, so we're we're underneath
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  Speaker 1: the same government stay at home shelter in place order,
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  Speaker 1: So we were not even supposed to be going to
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  Speaker 1: the pro shop, going to the hardware store, doing anything anymore. Yeah. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I got that text last night. Pretty crazy. Yeah. So
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  Speaker 1: so basically all we're allowed to do is have Skype
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  Speaker 1: phone calls to talk about honey. Not that bad. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: it could be worse, I guess in that case. Um. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: so you're you're somewhere in like mid Michigan, right, give
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  Speaker 1: or take. Yeah, so I'm I'm just east of Lansing. Um,
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  Speaker 1: and then I do a lot of hunting, like right
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  Speaker 1: around the Lansing area. It's awesome, awesome. You're not too
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  Speaker 1: far from my buddy further, he's east of Lansing a
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  Speaker 1: little bit too, so you guys might be bumping to
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  Speaker 1: each other in that general reagion. Um. Yeah, so you're
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  Speaker 1: I've been kind of aware of you now for a
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  Speaker 1: few years, watching your stuff on YouTube, thinking it's pretty cool,
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  Speaker 1: and I I've had you on the list of someone
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  Speaker 1: I wanted to talk to for a while now, and
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  Speaker 1: after your hunting season, and seeing all that and just
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  Speaker 1: being really horribly bitterly jealous of you in a lot
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  Speaker 1: of ways and thinking to myself, Man, this crispy, I
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  Speaker 1: don't like him at all. He's doing everything I want
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  Speaker 1: to do right now. You got a heck of the year.
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  Speaker 1: So so yeah, I want to talk to you about
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  Speaker 1: last year. I want to talk to you about some
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  Speaker 1: of the things you've got going on right now from
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  Speaker 1: an archer perspective, because I think there's a lot of
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  Speaker 1: people similar to us locked down and wanted to do
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  Speaker 1: something productive and worked on your archery game. I think
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  Speaker 1: is a pretty good thing to do right now. So
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  Speaker 1: I want to dive into a lot there because you've
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  Speaker 1: got this background in tournament archery, and I want to
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  Speaker 1: I want to kind of hear a little bit about
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  Speaker 1: how that started for you. As I understand it, you
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  Speaker 1: got a hunting at a young age and then pretty
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  Speaker 1: quickly got into the target archery stuff. Can you give
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  Speaker 1: me just a really quick rundown of kind of how
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  Speaker 1: that began for you, Um, what that looked like. So
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  Speaker 1: I was, um, I was six years old when I
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  Speaker 1: got like one of those little tiny fiberglass you know,
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  Speaker 1: red bows shoot in the backyard and really don't stick
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  Speaker 1: in the target like that type of setup. So I
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  Speaker 1: shot that for like, you know, for a year or so,
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  Speaker 1: and then um I found a local club it's actually
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  Speaker 1: Livingston Conservation Sports Association UM and that's not too far
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  Speaker 1: from me, and my dad got um me ugged into
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  Speaker 1: a youth program up there, and I think I was
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  Speaker 1: seven or eight when I started doing that. And it's
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  Speaker 1: like you can basically like borrow a basic recurve and
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  Speaker 1: you can shoot Saturday mornings and like you can score
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  Speaker 1: if you want, and so it was kind of cool
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  Speaker 1: and that got me like involved in a community aspect
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  Speaker 1: of archery at like super young age. So that kind
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  Speaker 1: of progressed. Like several years later, I got a boat
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  Speaker 1: for Christmas, um a com pombo, and I kept shooting,
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  Speaker 1: and then I think I was ten years old is
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  Speaker 1: when I shot my first tournament, like just a local
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  Speaker 1: state tournament. UM. And that's the first year I shot
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  Speaker 1: a deer also with the bow, so they both kind
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  Speaker 1: of were happening at the same time, and it just
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  Speaker 1: kind of escalated from there. Like you go to a
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  Speaker 1: couple of local shoots and then you know, you keep
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  Speaker 1: getting better and better and then someone says, hey, you
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  Speaker 1: should go shoot you know, this tournament out of state,
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  Speaker 1: and You're like, okay, let's go explore that. So we went.
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  Speaker 1: We went to a couple lot of state tournaments and
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  Speaker 1: went to nationals and kept upgrading equipment, and eventually, by
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  Speaker 1: the time I was in like fourteen fifteen sixteen, I
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  Speaker 1: was on like United States Archery team for like their
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  Speaker 1: national team, which is the top five in the nation.
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  Speaker 1: Um So. I was on that from age fourteen through
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  Speaker 1: nineteen every year, um so, traveling all around and stuff.
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  Speaker 1: And then when I was when I was sixteen, actually
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  Speaker 1: that's like when I had my first quote unquote sponsor.
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  Speaker 1: Um I did really good at an event in Vegas.
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  Speaker 1: And whenever you do good in like a big event
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  Speaker 1: or anything, it just it just draws eyeballs on her
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  Speaker 1: or whatever. So people are always their sponsors are always looking.
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  Speaker 1: So anyways, um hoy actually picked me up when I
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  Speaker 1: was sixteen at the Vega shoot. So from there that
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  Speaker 1: kind of spurred my professional career, I guess you could say.
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  Speaker 1: And I started shooting more in than professional divisions and
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  Speaker 1: traveling around and everything. And you went to my right,
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  Speaker 1: you went to Michigan State yeah, and technically I'm still going.
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  Speaker 1: Nice go grain man, that's my own model right there.
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  Speaker 1: Really right on, I didn't know that. Yeah, I'm oh,
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  Speaker 1: oh nine graduate, so so so you're still you're still going.
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  Speaker 1: You guys have got class canceled though now right, oh yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I don't. I'm not taking any classes as a semester.
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  Speaker 1: But yeah, all the everything's canceled. Everything shut down. Everyone
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  Speaker 1: I believe how to be moved out by April something
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  Speaker 1: the beginning of April. So that's pretty crazy. My wife
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  Speaker 1: actually works at Michigan State, so she's she's pretty tapped
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  Speaker 1: into what's going on. And every day I'm hearing the
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  Speaker 1: different things and pretty nuts. So my camera guy, Bryce,
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  Speaker 1: who does a lot of my stuff, he's a sophomore
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  Speaker 1: at Michigan State, so he's a he's all pushed around. Now, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: that's a place I love. It's nice. My wife works
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  Speaker 1: from home most of the time, but she does go
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  Speaker 1: in the office once a week or so, and uh
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  Speaker 1: I sometimes go up there with her and work at
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  Speaker 1: a Starbucks or something. It's just a good excuse to
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  Speaker 1: get back up there and and just relive the gold
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  Speaker 1: glory days. Well, next time, after all was quarantine stuff.
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  Speaker 1: You should hit me up. Yeah, I go to all
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  Speaker 1: the Starbucks by that. Yeah, there's a there's a couple
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  Speaker 1: of good ones there. So yes, we'll have to uh,
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  Speaker 1: we'll have to do that. Um. But something you said
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  Speaker 1: a second ago, I want to rewind a little bit too, um,
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  Speaker 1: because you got you got this early start and then
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  Speaker 1: it progressed and you kept getting more and more into it,
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  Speaker 1: and you didn't mention this, but I think as you
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  Speaker 1: got more and more into the tournament side of things,
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  Speaker 1: you also got more and more into the hunting side
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  Speaker 1: to right. That's true, So that was that was going
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  Speaker 1: on for you. I selfishly, and this is gonna date
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  Speaker 1: me as being an old man now, but I selfishly
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  Speaker 1: want to ask you about this because I'm a dad now.
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  Speaker 1: I've got a two year old son and I want
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  Speaker 1: him to do like the same thing, and of course,
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  Speaker 1: so I don't want to force me anything, but I'd
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  Speaker 1: selfishly like him to do the similar things that you
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  Speaker 1: got into. Like I'd love to see him love archery
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  Speaker 1: and love hunting from an early age. Um, My dad
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  Speaker 1: got me into hunting, but not into the archery side
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  Speaker 1: of things, and it was like a very casual thing
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  Speaker 1: he was not. Um, you know, I kind of I
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  Speaker 1: kind of picked it up myself and got really excited
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  Speaker 1: about and got him more into it. UM. So I'm
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  Speaker 1: curious for you, you know, when you were pretty young
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  Speaker 1: and it sounds like your family is getting you into
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  Speaker 1: the stuff. What were the things that were like most
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  Speaker 1: impactful or that that helped you get into this and
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  Speaker 1: became so passionate. Was it just the fact that you
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  Speaker 1: got this bow and you were into it, or were
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  Speaker 1: there other things that maybe I mean I was, I
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  Speaker 1: was super into it. I mean I really I enjoyed it,
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  Speaker 1: and I played other sports through UM, through elementary and
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  Speaker 1: middle school. Like I was, I was active in other
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  Speaker 1: sports along with doing it, so it wasn't like my
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  Speaker 1: only thing, um. But no, it was. It was definitely
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  Speaker 1: something something I was super passionate about. And I think
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  Speaker 1: because it tied in with hunting so much at first,
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  Speaker 1: because like, my dad's a big hunter. We live on
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  Speaker 1: We're this we are the classic deer hunting Michigan family.
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  Speaker 1: We live on ten acres. We have another fourteen acre chunk.
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  Speaker 1: You know, we hunt out of the backyard. We have
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  Speaker 1: several tree stands on the back so we would go
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  Speaker 1: hunting all the time, and my dad got super into um,
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  Speaker 1: I don't know if you're familiar with Tony Lapratte. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: so we've gone to a lot of his stuff. So
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  Speaker 1: my dad got super into food plants and hinge cutting
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  Speaker 1: and deer management and everything. So on our other chunk
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  Speaker 1: right down the road. Um, we kind of went crazy
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  Speaker 1: on that. So not only like deer hunting at a
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  Speaker 1: young age and I'm like eight, nine, ten, eleven, Um,
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  Speaker 1: we would go like multiple days in the summertime and
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  Speaker 1: just like go to town over there doing two pods,
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  Speaker 1: hinge cutting and everything. My dad was self employed, so
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  Speaker 1: he can he was kind of flexible, so we spend
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  Speaker 1: like days, you know, just going crazy over there. It's
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  Speaker 1: it's it's pretty cool and now years later, but yeah,
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  Speaker 1: so I was super involved all the way through. And UM,
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  Speaker 1: I don't like a parent standpoint, My parents are just
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  Speaker 1: super supportive of it. UM, never forceful. And now like
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  Speaker 1: now that I'm older and I see um kids and
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  Speaker 1: helping kids and a little bit of coaching here and there,
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  Speaker 1: it's super important just for parents not to be like
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  Speaker 1: forceful and things like you you you provide the opportunity
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  Speaker 1: and if they bite on it, then you support. But
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  Speaker 1: I see so many kids that, um, you know, it's
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  Speaker 1: just like the satellite coach parent, you know, and it's
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  Speaker 1: like just so forceful and like you gotta do this,
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  Speaker 1: you gotta do that, and it's like it's like one,
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  Speaker 1: I don't like to see it because it's just you know,
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  Speaker 1: the kids doing something they might not actually want, you know,
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  Speaker 1: and it just creates it just creates this friction. So yeah,
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  Speaker 1: probably something that's similar to what you see across all
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  Speaker 1: these other sports too, right, Yeah, but you know a
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  Speaker 1: lot of these other sports are are a team oriented,
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  Speaker 1: so you you get away with um, you know, the
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  Speaker 1: team aspect. Archery is so individual, you know, it's it's practice.
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  Speaker 1: His individual tournaments are individual, like you can shoot in
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  Speaker 1: your backyard like it's it's not very team oriented. So
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  Speaker 1: there are some advantages and disadvantages with that. It's a
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  Speaker 1: good point. It's a good point. Uh. I'm curious if
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  Speaker 1: you think that I'm on the right path then, because
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  Speaker 1: I'm trying to take that approach you just said, like
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  Speaker 1: show support, get him excited, but not force it. Um So,
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  Speaker 1: so my son he's well on his way. He's two
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  Speaker 1: full years old and he's got I've got him a
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  Speaker 1: little nerve bow with a nerve arrow, and he is
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  Speaker 1: to the point now where he gets pretty pumped. He'll
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  Speaker 1: run around the house with his bow and he'll say,
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  Speaker 1: shoot deer, Shoot deer. He'll go up to the shoulder mountains.
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  Speaker 1: He'll he'll draw back, he'll stop them. He'll stop them
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  Speaker 1: with him rat and then he'll shoot him with the
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  Speaker 1: nerve bow. Would you say he's on the right path?
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  Speaker 1: I think you're doing all right. That's funny, kills me.
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  Speaker 1: It's pretty funny stuff, man, it's fun um. So so
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  Speaker 1: then what about for other you know, younger folks listening.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know, sixteen year olds out there, someone who's
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  Speaker 1: maybe getting into it or dabbling, um, wants that he
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  Speaker 1: has been considering should I start shooting tart show, shoot
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  Speaker 1: three D or should shoot some league? Um? Any advice
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  Speaker 1: for somebody who's thinking about getting into this is it?
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  Speaker 1: Is it something that's going to help people become better hunters?
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  Speaker 1: I would sure think so. But what are your thoughts
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  Speaker 1: on that or any tips as far as what to
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  Speaker 1: get involved in or anything. So I did a I'm
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  Speaker 1: kind of refreshed on this subject because I just did
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  Speaker 1: a blog post on it um. But the archery world
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  Speaker 1: is like super intimidating to the average bowl hunter, Like
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  Speaker 1: there's a there's a lot of unknowns. There's you know,
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  Speaker 1: from equipment to form to even like going in a
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  Speaker 1: pro shop and asking for help. Like if you if
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  Speaker 1: you just bought a bow like ten years ago and
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  Speaker 1: you haven't done anything since. Like, it's it's super intimidating.
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  Speaker 1: So the best thing to do, UM, I think, in
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  Speaker 1: any aspect if you're trying to find either more help
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  Speaker 1: on your equipment, more help on form um, or like
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  Speaker 1: more tournaments league type stuff, is trying to connect with
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  Speaker 1: the pro shop UM most of the time. And I
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  Speaker 1: understand there are pro shops that aren't as good as
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  Speaker 1: others or friendly or whatever, but for the most part,
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  Speaker 1: pro shops have a very good resource at getting you information.
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  Speaker 1: You know, from leagues. Many pro shop have like Tuesday night,
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  Speaker 1: Friday night leagues you can get plugged into, um, you know,
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  Speaker 1: obviously helping with tuning and form and everything. But then
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  Speaker 1: I mean online, like there's so much stuff online now,
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  Speaker 1: I mean you could pretty much, you could pretty much
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  Speaker 1: if you're that type of person, do everything on your own.
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  Speaker 1: Tuning Lise and everything, but I still feel like getting
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  Speaker 1: plugged in somewhere is so important. I mean, I've as
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  Speaker 1: long as I've been shooting up always somewhat been plugged
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  Speaker 1: in somewhere, even if it's like just a just a
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  Speaker 1: club you know, where you see people every now and
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  Speaker 1: again and you just go up and shoot. Um, it's
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  Speaker 1: just it's it's important for growth, I feel like in archery,
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  Speaker 1: because you see other people shoot, you see what they're doing,
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  Speaker 1: you ask, you bounce questions. You know, if you just
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  Speaker 1: shooting isolation, it's a I don't know, it's I feel
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  Speaker 1: like that that community is so important in archery. It's
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  Speaker 1: it's pretty easy to start off and ingrain bad habits
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  Speaker 1: if you're just doing it by yourself. To right, that's yeah,
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  Speaker 1: you know, you you get on a tangent of yeah this,
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  Speaker 1: this feels good, you can do this, and you realize
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  Speaker 1: that like something is totally jacked up. So and getting
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  Speaker 1: a coach is important, like if you really really really
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  Speaker 1: want to get good, like if you want to go
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  Speaker 1: like the tournament route, tournament route. Um. I know guys
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  Speaker 1: that have done it by themselves, but it's always hard
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  Speaker 1: and they always find difficulties. Um, finding some sort of
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  Speaker 1: coach is always super important, and you can and there's
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  Speaker 1: resources online, like you can go on USA Archery and
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  Speaker 1: they actually have a whole lineup of like certified coaches
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  Speaker 1: in your area with like their selling and email number
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  Speaker 1: and stuff, so you can actually reach out to him. Um.
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  Speaker 1: But for the most part, hitting up a pro shop,
• 17:06
  Speaker 1: someone will know someone that knows someone. Most of the time,
• 17:10
  Speaker 1: you know, something will work. You know, I never went
• 17:13
  Speaker 1: the tournament route or considered that, but just back to
• 17:16
  Speaker 1: having a second set of eyes on you. I I
• 17:19
  Speaker 1: wish I had had that because I basically just taught
• 17:22
  Speaker 1: myself how to shoot, like my dad and I learned
• 17:24
  Speaker 1: how to bow hunt together. And and it's basically me
• 17:27
  Speaker 1: learning and showing him kind of and yeah, and and
• 17:33
  Speaker 1: and I probably learned it all wrong. Well I did
• 17:36
  Speaker 1: learn all wrong. I had a whole lot of bad
• 17:38
  Speaker 1: habits I just was kind of figuring out as I went.
• 17:40
  Speaker 1: And then over the last you know, five ten years,
• 17:43
  Speaker 1: I've had to address all these bad habits and things
• 17:46
  Speaker 1: I've been doing wrong and and trying to fix that
• 17:48
  Speaker 1: now that I know a little bit more. But man,
• 17:50
  Speaker 1: if if I had, you know, if I had been
• 17:52
  Speaker 1: doing it right fifteen years ago, eighteen years ago or whatever,
• 17:56
  Speaker 1: it would have been a whole lot easier for me now,
• 17:57
  Speaker 1: that's for sure. So I wish i'd had that. But yeah,
• 18:00
  Speaker 1: um it's a it's a great point you make, and
• 18:03
  Speaker 1: it's nice to know that if you do want to
• 18:04
  Speaker 1: go that more serious route, that you can find coaches.
• 18:07
  Speaker 1: And what's a coach to do? I mean, what's in
• 18:09
  Speaker 1: your in your kind of line of when they're up
• 18:12
  Speaker 1: to tournament kind of stuff? I mean, is a coach
• 18:15
  Speaker 1: meeting with you and just watching your shoot and running
• 18:17
  Speaker 1: you through drills and examining your former or what what's
• 18:20
  Speaker 1: that process look like? So like for me now, um,
• 18:23
  Speaker 1: my main coaches down in Atlanta, So and I'm to
• 18:28
  Speaker 1: the point like where I don't need like a tune
• 18:29
  Speaker 1: up like all the time, you know, But I mean
• 18:32
  Speaker 1: I still need when I go down there like every
• 18:34
  Speaker 1: couple of months because um Ul Trivi you archery. I
• 18:38
  Speaker 1: don't know if you've heard of them, They've been on
• 18:40
  Speaker 1: my stuff a little bit, but they're down in Atlanta too,
• 18:41
  Speaker 1: So I go down there for them a lot, and
• 18:43
  Speaker 1: then I get coaching also, But like you show up
• 18:46
  Speaker 1: and you know. His name is George. He's like, yep,
• 18:49
  Speaker 1: you're doing this or you're doing that, and I'm like,
• 18:50
  Speaker 1: all right, that's why I come down here. Still, it's
• 18:54
  Speaker 1: like you're you're never ending. You fall into these bad habits,
• 18:56
  Speaker 1: so they're they're minor form tweaks or recently it's been mental.
• 19:01
  Speaker 1: So George is really good at, you know, mindset type
• 19:05
  Speaker 1: stuff because archery and hunting. I mean, there's a reason
• 19:08
  Speaker 1: why there's buck fever. You know. All buck fever is
• 19:11
  Speaker 1: is your mind, you know, so if you can control that,
• 19:15
  Speaker 1: and it's no different in archery. I mean, like buck
• 19:17
  Speaker 1: fever is so so similar to like when you're super jack,
• 19:21
  Speaker 1: to like you know, shoot a perfect round, like your
• 19:24
  Speaker 1: last arrow on a perfect round, or you're about to
• 19:26
  Speaker 1: win a tournament, like mastering. That feeling is no different
• 19:31
  Speaker 1: either way. Do you feel like you've mastered it? No,
• 19:35
  Speaker 1: not even close. I don't know if you ever master it.
• 19:38
  Speaker 1: That's the thing. It's like this ongoing it's just an
• 19:41
  Speaker 1: ongoing battle. Like this year especially it was super hard,
• 19:45
  Speaker 1: like tournament wise for me because I like switch bow
• 19:47
  Speaker 1: companies and there's this extra pressure and so so tell
• 19:52
  Speaker 1: me about that. What do you mean by that extra pressure?
• 19:54
  Speaker 1: Is it because is it? Is it simply because you've
• 19:57
  Speaker 1: got pressure into a sponsor, or is it you're grow
• 20:00
  Speaker 1: a platform or is it you feel like, hey, I
• 20:02
  Speaker 1: really want to be winning these things, because all right,
• 20:04
  Speaker 1: it's just tell me all the above, all the above.
• 20:06
  Speaker 1: So like you switch when whenever you switch bow companies,
• 20:09
  Speaker 1: and um, I can have a little bit like following
• 20:12
  Speaker 1: has grown, you know, tremendously since the past years, so
• 20:15
  Speaker 1: there's more eyeballs on my personal channels, and you know,
• 20:20
  Speaker 1: I feel like it's not actually the case. I know
• 20:22
  Speaker 1: it's not actually the case, but I feel like I
• 20:24
  Speaker 1: let people down, you know, when I don't shoot well,
• 20:26
  Speaker 1: like followers or whatever. And then when you switch bow companies,
• 20:30
  Speaker 1: it's like you're like, oh, is he gonna shoot good
• 20:32
  Speaker 1: with the new bow? You know, because like you switch
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: and they're always like, you know, is he gonna shoot
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: as good or better or whatever? So there's like that
• 20:41
  Speaker 1: sort of pressure. And does does Derek Nelson never like
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: text you to say, man, you really screwed it up, dude?
• 20:47
  Speaker 1: I mean jokingly just kidding. Nelson's cool, And it's actually
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: Derek Phillips is uh is the pro staff manager um
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: on the target side. So they actually, I don't know
• 20:59
  Speaker 1: if you're familiar with them, most of the hunting people
• 21:01
  Speaker 1: probably aren't too much, but they have like um, you know,
• 21:05
  Speaker 1: Derek literally manages the pro staff for Matthews. So it's
• 21:10
  Speaker 1: really cool that there's like a whole community side on that. Yeah,
• 21:15
  Speaker 1: it's cool. So tell me, tell me about what you're
• 21:19
  Speaker 1: doing to try to I mean, because because where everyone listening,
• 21:23
  Speaker 1: all of us hunters were always trying to the same
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: thing when it comes to hunting. I mean, I don't
• 21:27
  Speaker 1: think I will ever get tired of thinking about or
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: talking about how to handle the moment of truth. Like
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: there's that's the crux of every it really is, and
• 21:37
  Speaker 1: the mental side of things is both frustrating and kind
• 21:39
  Speaker 1: of fascinating for me too. So how have you gone
• 21:42
  Speaker 1: about trying to tackle that? What do your what's your
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: coach say? What do you do? There's a lot this
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: is like this is a giant wormhole that you can
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: go down quick, especially with archery, because there's so there's
• 21:54
  Speaker 1: so many things. It's it's different archery archery in the
• 21:57
  Speaker 1: typical tournament, you could shoot anywhere from like dirty two,
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: you know, a hundred arrows for scoring in a day,
• 22:05
  Speaker 1: and most of the time every single one has to
• 22:07
  Speaker 1: be perfect. So instead of just like one shot like
• 22:11
  Speaker 1: on a deer, like like I can. I haven't mastered,
• 22:16
  Speaker 1: but I gotten pretty good at like pulling myself together
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: for one shot, but doing it for like ninety in
• 22:21
  Speaker 1: a row. That's it gets it gets more difficult for sure. UM.
• 22:26
  Speaker 1: So there's a there's a lot of things you can do. UM.
• 22:29
  Speaker 1: I think the most recently for me, like on a
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: personal level, has been, um being more intentional with my shooting.
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: So instead of wishing for things to happen, you actually
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: make them happen. So if you're sitting there aiming and
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: you have the pin in the middle, and you're just
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: sitting there and you're like, Okay, I really hope this
• 22:52
  Speaker 1: goes in the middle, and you're just like going through
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: your shot, and then the shot goes off and you're like, Okay,
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: did it go in the middle? You know, like that
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: sort of thing. And instead what I've been trying to
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: do is being way more intentional and being like, Okay,
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: this is going to go right in the middle, put
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: the pin on the middle, go through the shot. Yep,
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: that went in the middle. So it's like it's all
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: about mindset start to finish, from even walking in the
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: door of the tournament. You know, if you if you
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: it's so sensitive archery so sensitive, if you like, if
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: you have the wrong mindset all the way through, it
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: just it just impacts you know your shot so much.
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: So having a different mindset being more it's not necessarily confident,
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: because I feel like you can have confidence but still
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: have those hesitations throughout the shot, but um not having
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: hesitations throughout the shot. And I'm not talking about like punching,
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: because there's a difference being intentional and being like okay,
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: right now, you know that's not what I'm talking about.
• 23:46
  Speaker 1: I'm talking about like very very slight um intentional shots
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: and and that kind of goes from I don't know
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: if you've heard of Joel um from Yeah, yeah, he's
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: super at So me and him, me and him a
• 24:03
  Speaker 1: couple of months ago got talking and and I've known
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: of his stuff, but he really opened my eyes just
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: like a time in a conversation I was like, holy cow,
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: you know what you're talking about? Like I know and
• 24:14
  Speaker 1: I'm aware of everything he's saying, but just like the
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: way he says it and just goes about it. It's like, jeez,
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: so I don't know. That's kind of where I'm at
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: um personally. But there's there's all sorts of things you
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: know mentally that you can do. What what's something that
• 24:31
  Speaker 1: throws off your mindset? Like have you had have you
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: had an experience where you went into a tournament where hell,
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: even a hunt where you went in in your mind
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: just just wasn't right and you paid. Can you give
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: you an example, as someone next to you could just
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: be like, oh I just dropped a nine and you're
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: like crap, It's like am I gonna drop a nine
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: in this one? Like that's all it takes. And then
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: the entire time you can or you can't think about it.
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: It's all about how you deal with those type of
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: how do you get that out of your head? Then
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: there's all sorts it's like, um, let's see okay, So
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: a book um from Lanny Bassam. It's called what Winning
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: in Mind? He had a thing um where you have
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: to do a repetition of one thing and the only
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: thing about that one thing for like eight times in
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: a row. So like whatever it is, if you put
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: your pocket if you put your hand in your pocket
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: and take it out for eight times in a row,
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: and then you only like you literally have your conscious
• 25:23
  Speaker 1: mind only thinking about that, and then when you're done
• 25:26
  Speaker 1: with that sequence, then you forgot whatever you were thinking about.
• 25:30
  Speaker 1: There's things like that, or you just you know, you're
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: just confident with yourself and you'll be like, Okay, well
• 25:36
  Speaker 1: that guy at your shot nine, but I'm not gonna
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: shoot nine, and I'm just gonna shoot you know, my
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: shot or my arrow or or whatever. And that boils
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: down to more of um. You can look at your
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: scorecard um like all at once, like a big picture,
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: but what you really should be looking at and shooting
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: is one arrow at a time. So like every end
• 25:59
  Speaker 1: of vidual arrow is its own and it has its
• 26:02
  Speaker 1: own value and its own score and its own shot,
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: and it's not a culmination of it all. So it's like, sure,
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: it could be a three hundred out of three hundred
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: at the end, but every single arrow has to score
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: at ten. So all you're in control of you're not
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: in control of the future like the next arrow, and
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: you're not in control of the last arrow you just shot,
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: So all you all, you're in control of is this
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: one arrow right now? So just shoot a ten, Just
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: shoot the perfect shot, and then worry about the next one.
• 26:32
  Speaker 1: So when you boil it, when you boil it down,
• 26:34
  Speaker 1: you know, micro like that. It helps a lot too.
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: Easier said than done, though, I bet so much. I
• 26:41
  Speaker 1: wish I could just go up to the line and
• 26:42
  Speaker 1: be like, all right, you shoot three and then to
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: shoot it, you know, but you can't do that, So
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: so walk me through. Let's say you've shot your second
• 26:50
  Speaker 1: to last shot and it's good, Everything is perfect as
• 26:53
  Speaker 1: it could be. Now you get your last air of
• 26:55
  Speaker 1: the tournament. It's the it's the big Vegas shoot. I saw.
• 26:59
  Speaker 1: I don't I don't know I've anything you did, but
• 27:00
  Speaker 1: I saw you were a little bit, maybe a little
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: frustrated with how things ended up this past year in Vegas.
• 27:03
  Speaker 1: Is that right? Yeah? Well I dropped too, and you
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: drop one and you're done. Okay. So let's say it's
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: it's this coming this next season. You're in Vegas again.
• 27:12
  Speaker 1: You've done it perfect. Now you've got your last arrow.
• 27:15
  Speaker 1: Uh you you step up to the line. Walk me
• 27:18
  Speaker 1: through exactly what you do, exactly what yourself talk is.
• 27:22
  Speaker 1: I want to know the exact process you're gonna follow
• 27:26
  Speaker 1: on your final perfect shot to to finally do what
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: you want to do. Okay, so last year was actually
• 27:33
  Speaker 1: not the hardest, but I will walk it through for
• 27:35
  Speaker 1: me at least, but I will walk you through it. Um,
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: what is the hardest shot? Hard shots for me are
• 27:40
  Speaker 1: like the first ones? Well, would would you do anything
• 27:44
  Speaker 1: different from the first to last? Given that scenarily you
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: don't do anything different. And that's the thing. You don't
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: do anything different throughout the entire thing. Every single shots
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: exactly the same. And that's you know, it's all about repetition.
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: It's all about consistency. But there's also you know, every
• 28:00
  Speaker 1: everyone has a different things. A lot of people like
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: say things in their head as they shoot. But I mean,
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: I'll knock my arrow, I'll you know, get in my
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: pre draw, which is like knocking ero release, set everything up,
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: and then you always, like I always look at the target,
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: you know, get essentially acquired with the target because there's
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: multiple um spots on your target. There's like a triangle
• 28:20
  Speaker 1: for vegas, so you have to you're not allowed to
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: shoot two arrows in the same target. So and we
• 28:26
  Speaker 1: all we always shoot in the same order, like every
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: archer has their own order, so we're we're always pretty
• 28:31
  Speaker 1: good at that. UM. But now and again people shoot
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: like the neighbor's target or the one above them. So
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: you always want to acquire your target, like you always
• 28:39
  Speaker 1: lock lock on on your target. So pre draw, you
• 28:43
  Speaker 1: get set up, you drop back, and then you always
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: want to make sure you're going going into your shot
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: either um saying the repetition you know, sound or sequence
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: that you do once you get a full draw, or
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: like a blank mind or something positive. You never want
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: to you like, go in it with nothingness because when
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: your when your mind is not thinking about anything and
• 29:04
  Speaker 1: it's blank, it's super easy to bring in external sources
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: and you don't get thinking about something bad. Um. So yeah,
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: you go into that sequence and it's changed a lot
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: lately because I've been messing around that. But I've counted
• 29:22
  Speaker 1: you know, one, two, three, boom, and then you know,
• 29:26
  Speaker 1: shot goes off. You know, I've saying a song I've saying,
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: I've said, Um, there was a little phrase I was saying.
• 29:35
  Speaker 1: I forget what it is. It was a while ago,
• 29:37
  Speaker 1: but it was like one perfect shot, one perfect shot,
• 29:40
  Speaker 1: or you can say, okay, I'm gonna do this right now,
• 29:43
  Speaker 1: and then you draw out the last word until it
• 29:46
  Speaker 1: goes off. So it doesn't there's no right or wrong
• 29:49
  Speaker 1: with that. It's just like you should have some sort
• 29:52
  Speaker 1: of sequence when you're shooting, or you're gonna you're just
• 29:57
  Speaker 1: gonna get um you're more um favorable to have, like
• 30:03
  Speaker 1: you know, external things bothering you. Um So anyways, Yeah,
• 30:06
  Speaker 1: shot goes off and then you're good. But what happens
• 30:10
  Speaker 1: a lot of times is when you're under that stress,
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: your shots go a long, so you hold longer than normal,
• 30:15
  Speaker 1: and then you get under fatigue and you start getting
• 30:17
  Speaker 1: stressed and then shots go off and those are normally
• 30:21
  Speaker 1: the bad ones. So making sure your shot timing is
• 30:24
  Speaker 1: like relatively the same under those pressure situations is super important.
• 30:29
  Speaker 1: So you're those shots are holding longer just because you're
• 30:31
  Speaker 1: trying to be extra careful to make sure you're aiming
• 30:35
  Speaker 1: right or Yeah, the problem with archie if you try
• 30:38
  Speaker 1: too hard, you're gonna fail, right. That is so like
• 30:41
  Speaker 1: this weird fine line between being you can't be a
• 30:45
  Speaker 1: try hard But you also said like you want to
• 30:48
  Speaker 1: be intentional with it. You want to like you know,
• 30:50
  Speaker 1: as Joel Turner talks about you need to have a process,
• 30:53
  Speaker 1: you have to have you know, you have to be
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: in control of the whole shot sequence, but at the
• 30:57
  Speaker 1: same time, you also kind of want to be like
• 31:01
  Speaker 1: second nature almost like it's it's like you want to
• 31:04
  Speaker 1: be an autopilot, but you want to be in control.
• 31:06
  Speaker 1: And it's somewhere in between. That's the perfect place. But
• 31:09
  Speaker 1: it's really hard to put your finger on it. Um. Yeah,
• 31:12
  Speaker 1: I don't know, man, I'm I'm wanting I'm wanting you
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: to give me a secret weapon for this. There is
• 31:17
  Speaker 1: no secret weapon. That's the thing. I'm trying to figure
• 31:19
  Speaker 1: it out. You know, I'm still trying to figure it out.
• 31:23
  Speaker 1: I don't know what there is. It's just like you
• 31:25
  Speaker 1: just gotta keep going at it. And the more you're
• 31:27
  Speaker 1: exposed to it, the east you're eight kids. How much
• 31:31
  Speaker 1: of this translates over to your hunts? When you like
• 31:34
  Speaker 1: the things, you're working to get your mind right for
• 31:36
  Speaker 1: your tournaments, how much does that translate to your hunts? Um,
• 31:42
  Speaker 1: it carries over pretty easy. I actually don't. Um, I
• 31:45
  Speaker 1: got practice with my hunting bone and get everything dialed in,
• 31:48
  Speaker 1: but I don't I don't necessarily like train with my
• 31:52
  Speaker 1: hunting though, I guess, um. And then when it comes
• 31:56
  Speaker 1: to like shooting a deer or something, that's pretty much
• 32:00
  Speaker 1: little pilot. I don't have like a certain um formula,
• 32:05
  Speaker 1: I guess um. One thing that I have always done
• 32:08
  Speaker 1: over the years is make sure to like, um aim,
• 32:12
  Speaker 1: like pick your spot, because I've been, you know, my
• 32:14
  Speaker 1: younger years known to like put all of the pins
• 32:16
  Speaker 1: on the deer and shoot. That's why I shoot a
• 32:19
  Speaker 1: single pin now. Um. So yeah, aiming is very critical
• 32:26
  Speaker 1: because sometimes when you're just so jacked up, you just
• 32:29
  Speaker 1: kind of like shoot at the deer. So when I
• 32:33
  Speaker 1: when I draw back, I aim like a very critical
• 32:37
  Speaker 1: at Okay, I'm gonna hit the deer right here and
• 32:39
  Speaker 1: then shoot. And then you know most of the time
• 32:41
  Speaker 1: that that works out unless external and I mean like
• 32:44
  Speaker 1: this year I did have I wounded. I hit a
• 32:46
  Speaker 1: deer in the shoulder. Um, I hit a deer high, skimmed,
• 32:50
  Speaker 1: skimmed its back, So like it does happen. Um, it's
• 32:54
  Speaker 1: just the fact of hunting. You know, it's you're dealing
• 32:56
  Speaker 1: with a live animal. But um, how do you handle
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: the situation like that? Do you being coming from the
• 33:03
  Speaker 1: level of archery, experience and and and knowledge that you
• 33:08
  Speaker 1: have when you have a bad shot or when you
• 33:11
  Speaker 1: have a whatever was that happened? Like that wounded deer.
• 33:14
  Speaker 1: Do you have some like hyper analysis you do when
• 33:17
  Speaker 1: you're trying to figure out what do they do wrong?
• 33:18
  Speaker 1: In my process? Or most of the time, most of
• 33:20
  Speaker 1: the time I do know, Like I know what happened
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: for both of them. What happened. So the one dude
• 33:26
  Speaker 1: I hit in the shoulder, um, he was super alert
• 33:30
  Speaker 1: and it was sixty five yards, and I said, I'm
• 33:33
  Speaker 1: gonna hug the shoulder a bunch because I felt like
• 33:37
  Speaker 1: he was just going to run rather than duck. I
• 33:41
  Speaker 1: don't know why I thought that, but I was like,
• 33:43
  Speaker 1: I'm just gonna like hug the shoulder pretty tight. And
• 33:45
  Speaker 1: I hit right where I was aiming because he didn't move,
• 33:50
  Speaker 1: So I was like, gosh, dang it. So that that
• 33:52
  Speaker 1: was it. I don't know why I thought of that.
• 33:54
  Speaker 1: Right when I drew back, I was like, all right,
• 33:56
  Speaker 1: put it like right close to shoulder. Um. And then
• 33:59
  Speaker 1: the other I'm as a mule deer at seventy four
• 34:03
  Speaker 1: and that one I think was just a misrange because
• 34:07
  Speaker 1: he was um. There was a couple of branches like
• 34:11
  Speaker 1: right close to him and around him. So I really
• 34:14
  Speaker 1: think that I just ranged one of those branches and
• 34:19
  Speaker 1: it's just a total misrange because the left and right
• 34:21
  Speaker 1: was pretty good. Do you like after this happens, Yeah,
• 34:26
  Speaker 1: take a shot of deer. You're trying to recover it.
• 34:28
  Speaker 1: You don't find it. It's the worst moment for any
• 34:31
  Speaker 1: hunter just about. All right, I know that feeling unfortunately too. Um,
• 34:36
  Speaker 1: how do you personally deal with it? Is it? Is
• 34:38
  Speaker 1: it literally the next day or that day you're sitting
• 34:41
  Speaker 1: and stewing on this stuff you just told me? Or so,
• 34:44
  Speaker 1: Like Wyoming was the the shoulder shot one and it
• 34:49
  Speaker 1: was like a one fifty white tail, like the biggest
• 34:51
  Speaker 1: white tail I would have killed. And we're sitting on
• 34:56
  Speaker 1: this edge of a of a alfalfa field and uh,
• 35:00
  Speaker 1: it's super cool terrain out there. It's like mountains. This
• 35:03
  Speaker 1: is like meal deer country, and then in the bottoms
• 35:05
  Speaker 1: was white tail country. So we're sitting sitting on the
• 35:07
  Speaker 1: edge just like watching this field and it's like it's
• 35:10
  Speaker 1: getting twilight, you know, it's like twenty minutes left of
• 35:13
  Speaker 1: shooting light, and this buck pops out like four yards away,
• 35:17
  Speaker 1: So we all look at each other and we're like,
• 35:19
  Speaker 1: we gotta go. So we ran like a mile. It
• 35:24
  Speaker 1: was at least a mile in this ditch. Like we
• 35:28
  Speaker 1: ran probably like in fifteen minutes, you know, all the
• 35:31
  Speaker 1: way around and luckily there was this ditch all the
• 35:34
  Speaker 1: way around this field, and we got to the point
• 35:39
  Speaker 1: where like we popped up. We popped up a couple
• 35:40
  Speaker 1: of times, but we got to the point where he
• 35:42
  Speaker 1: was and we popped up and he was right there
• 35:44
  Speaker 1: at you know whatever. I think it was sixty I
• 35:50
  Speaker 1: forget it's in the video, but arranged it, drew back,
• 35:55
  Speaker 1: stood up, and he was just looking at me and
• 35:57
  Speaker 1: I shot um. So, yeah, that eat me up a
• 36:00
  Speaker 1: lot because I hit him the shoulder. We went and
• 36:03
  Speaker 1: found the arrow. There was like zero penetration um, which
• 36:07
  Speaker 1: pros and cons of expandable broadheads. I was shooting expandable
• 36:10
  Speaker 1: broadhead with pounds and a five fifty graine arrow, and
• 36:14
  Speaker 1: I had a half inch of penetration. Yeah. So we
• 36:19
  Speaker 1: followed blood for three d yards and he started doing
• 36:23
  Speaker 1: circles and we were pretty sure we were like following
• 36:25
  Speaker 1: him around. But the problem is that we had a schedule,
• 36:28
  Speaker 1: so we had to go to Nebraska the next day,
• 36:31
  Speaker 1: like like the next day or no, We're going to
• 36:33
  Speaker 1: drive through the night and get there in the morning.
• 36:35
  Speaker 1: That's what we're gonna do. So we decided shoulder shot,
• 36:39
  Speaker 1: he's probably going to live and be all right. So
• 36:42
  Speaker 1: we backed out. Well, we ended up finishing our Western
• 36:46
  Speaker 1: tour like a half a day early, and we were
• 36:49
  Speaker 1: only like eight hours away from Wyoming still, so we
• 36:53
  Speaker 1: actually drove all the way back to Wyoming and we
• 36:57
  Speaker 1: looked for another half day and we didn't find anything.
• 37:00
  Speaker 1: No more blood, no more no more anything. But we
• 37:03
  Speaker 1: went We spent an extra eight hours of driving to
• 37:06
  Speaker 1: go back to look just for you know, for my
• 37:09
  Speaker 1: mind really, because my mind was just thinking the entire
• 37:12
  Speaker 1: time in the next two states. So, yeah, that's good.
• 37:17
  Speaker 1: That's hard to that's just that's never easy no matter
• 37:21
  Speaker 1: way anyway look at it. Yeah, especially when it was
• 37:23
  Speaker 1: my fault for like, you know, if I do it
• 37:26
  Speaker 1: was aiming two inches further back, it would be dead,
• 37:28
  Speaker 1: do you do you I know, like talking to other
• 37:33
  Speaker 1: buddies or even in my own situation, I've I've dealt
• 37:37
  Speaker 1: with this a little bit differently in different cases. There's
• 37:39
  Speaker 1: there was one time I hit a deer and wounded it,
• 37:42
  Speaker 1: and search and search never could recover him. And it
• 37:45
  Speaker 1: like just took the wind out of my sales and
• 37:47
  Speaker 1: I didn't want to hunt for like a week. I
• 37:48
  Speaker 1: was just like, I don't even know if I want
• 37:50
  Speaker 1: to keep going, and just like just took me out
• 37:52
  Speaker 1: of the game. And then there's another time depressed. Can
• 37:56
  Speaker 1: it really can? But then if at other times where
• 37:57
  Speaker 1: I thought, you know what, you just have to get
• 37:59
  Speaker 1: right back on the horror and go out the next
• 38:01
  Speaker 1: day and pound your boat, just like shoot your ball, bunch,
• 38:03
  Speaker 1: make sure your confidence is there, and then get right
• 38:05
  Speaker 1: back after it. U what what have you found to
• 38:09
  Speaker 1: be what works well for you? If you have a
• 38:11
  Speaker 1: miss or or a bad shot, do you want to
• 38:13
  Speaker 1: get right back after it? Do you step away? Usually?
• 38:16
  Speaker 1: What's how do you get your mind right after that
• 38:18
  Speaker 1: kind of a failure. I guess you could call it.
• 38:21
  Speaker 1: The past couple of years, I really haven't had a
• 38:23
  Speaker 1: choice to step away, Like I've always had trips planned
• 38:26
  Speaker 1: or was on a trip or you know, so it's
• 38:28
  Speaker 1: like you can't really take a break, you know. So
• 38:32
  Speaker 1: my go to I I always shoot right after like
• 38:35
  Speaker 1: a bunch, make sure everything's dialed in, and once I know,
• 38:40
  Speaker 1: like everything's dialed in and that it was like either
• 38:43
  Speaker 1: my fault or an external factor. Like as long as
• 38:46
  Speaker 1: I know what happened, I'm okay. Like as long as
• 38:49
  Speaker 1: I know, like the deer's gonna live and I know
• 38:51
  Speaker 1: what happened, then I'm fine. I probably I have no
• 38:54
  Speaker 1: idea what happened, or it's like I was having a
• 38:56
  Speaker 1: mental breakdown and like punch a trigger. That's no point though, Um,
• 39:01
  Speaker 1: Luckily I've never really had to deal with that, um
• 39:05
  Speaker 1: like hunting, punching the trigger, target panic type stuff, so
• 39:09
  Speaker 1: I've always been able to figure out the problem and
• 39:12
  Speaker 1: assess it. Have you ever had that problem in tournament scenarios?
• 39:17
  Speaker 1: Target panic or anything like that? So there's different forms
• 39:19
  Speaker 1: of target panic. There's like legit you can't even aim
• 39:22
  Speaker 1: on the target and you gotta like swing into it
• 39:24
  Speaker 1: and punch a trigger, which is like very common, like
• 39:27
  Speaker 1: you hang high and then you swing down and shoot
• 39:29
  Speaker 1: into it. And then there's like performance target panic where
• 39:34
  Speaker 1: you you can't aim quite at the middle, but you
• 39:38
  Speaker 1: can aim like a half inch or an inch below it,
• 39:40
  Speaker 1: no problem. And when you say you can't aim it that,
• 39:42
  Speaker 1: do you mean you just get kind of stuck there.
• 39:44
  Speaker 1: Get stuck. Yeah, you can't like but but in practice,
• 39:49
  Speaker 1: so this happens a lot of tournament archers deal with this.
• 39:51
  Speaker 1: It's very very slight target panic that can be fixed,
• 39:54
  Speaker 1: you know, like in a weekend of training most of
• 39:58
  Speaker 1: the time. Um, but practice as you can aim the middle,
• 40:00
  Speaker 1: you can shoot in the middle, it doesn't matter, like
• 40:02
  Speaker 1: middle doesn't matter. Show up to a tournament, you hang
• 40:05
  Speaker 1: an inch low because now you have this performance pressure
• 40:09
  Speaker 1: and you're like, you're scared of the middle. Essentially, you
• 40:12
  Speaker 1: don't you don't want to perform. Well, you're telling yourself,
• 40:15
  Speaker 1: I'm not gonna you know, you're scared of the performance.
• 40:17
  Speaker 1: You're scared of the first place trophy, you're scared of
• 40:20
  Speaker 1: the fans, you're scared of the check. Like, so you
• 40:23
  Speaker 1: just like hang an inch low and you just move
• 40:26
  Speaker 1: your site so you can do that. And so I've
• 40:29
  Speaker 1: experienced that before. Um, but I've never experienced like just
• 40:33
  Speaker 1: crazy target panic. Luckily, now back on that, I'm kind
• 40:38
  Speaker 1: of jumping around here, but you keep on popping these
• 40:41
  Speaker 1: different ideas in my mind. So back on the tournament side,
• 40:44
  Speaker 1: you describe that performance anxiety of sorts that you've you've
• 40:47
  Speaker 1: had maybe a little bit of at times, what do
• 40:50
  Speaker 1: you think is And maybe you don't know, but if
• 40:55
  Speaker 1: you if someone had a gun to your head and said, hey, Chris,
• 40:58
  Speaker 1: what is the hurdle that you need to get over
• 41:01
  Speaker 1: to to take this thing to the next level to
• 41:03
  Speaker 1: get where you want to be? What's the one thing
• 41:05
  Speaker 1: like you've got a crush or the one thing that
• 41:06
  Speaker 1: you've got to fix or what's holding you back? I
• 41:10
  Speaker 1: think it's time. We've had many, many late night tournament
• 41:16
  Speaker 1: over a glass of line conversations on this, like probably
• 41:19
  Speaker 1: too many to think of, and um, you always when
• 41:24
  Speaker 1: you want to analyze it, every major pro most there
• 41:28
  Speaker 1: are some like wonder childs, but most of the major
• 41:32
  Speaker 1: pros um rise right around twenty seven to thirty years old.
• 41:40
  Speaker 1: And in life, most of the time right around that age,
• 41:44
  Speaker 1: you either um, you're done with college, you may or
• 41:49
  Speaker 1: may not be married, but most of the time you're
• 41:51
  Speaker 1: like in some sort of like solid relationship, you have
• 41:54
  Speaker 1: some sort of solid income, and you have your life
• 41:57
  Speaker 1: a little bit more figured out. So in that part
• 42:00
  Speaker 1: of your life when you're like a decent pro but
• 42:05
  Speaker 1: you're not winning enough and don't have enough sponsors to
• 42:09
  Speaker 1: make it your living. You really don't care as much
• 42:14
  Speaker 1: how you perform, therefore you perform better. You know. Right now,
• 42:21
  Speaker 1: I understand that if I win Vegas, I can pay
• 42:23
  Speaker 1: off student loans and and get a really good kickstart.
• 42:27
  Speaker 1: So I'm thinking about that when you're when you're a
• 42:30
  Speaker 1: little bit farther down the line, emerging into it. Like
• 42:35
  Speaker 1: I'm talking, I'm not talking about like the professionals that
• 42:37
  Speaker 1: are established and everything, talking about like guys in my
• 42:40
  Speaker 1: situation five years from now that are a little bit
• 42:43
  Speaker 1: more you know, on a foundation. You know, they really
• 42:46
  Speaker 1: don't really don't care, you know how they do, but
• 42:49
  Speaker 1: it's it's different. So I think, Um, for my personal situation,
• 42:56
  Speaker 1: I either need to let time deal with that and
• 43:00
  Speaker 1: sure I'll like progress and do well from now until then,
• 43:03
  Speaker 1: but I really won't be fully archery mature until then,
• 43:07
  Speaker 1: or I need a you know, have that mindset now
• 43:10
  Speaker 1: and just understand that. But it's easier said than done. Yeah,
• 43:14
  Speaker 1: how old you? Okay, so you're twenty two and you're talking.
• 43:19
  Speaker 1: Seven to thirty is when a lot of people hit
• 43:21
  Speaker 1: their stride. Um, all right, So paint me a picture
• 43:26
  Speaker 1: when you're so five years from now, what's your what
• 43:32
  Speaker 1: are you gonna be doing? What's what's your life like?
• 43:35
  Speaker 1: Yourn tell me what that goal is. I don't know.
• 43:38
  Speaker 1: I have some goals, but cheese, Hey man, you know
• 43:42
  Speaker 1: what you're getting into when you came on here. I mean,
• 43:45
  Speaker 1: I don't know right now. I mean the past couple
• 43:47
  Speaker 1: of years has been pretty awesome. I've been able to
• 43:49
  Speaker 1: turn this into like my full time job, so I'm
• 43:52
  Speaker 1: I'm pretty stoked about that. Um. So the next five years, UM,
• 43:57
  Speaker 1: the plan is to grow everything and continue and whatever
• 44:02
  Speaker 1: opportunities arise arise because of it. Um. I started my
• 44:07
  Speaker 1: YouTube channel when I was young, like thirteen fourteen, but
• 44:12
  Speaker 1: everything around my YouTube I've spurred so many new opportunities,
• 44:16
  Speaker 1: Like YouTube has always been my my pillar of growth essentially.
• 44:21
  Speaker 1: So I don't know. I I see myself, UM definitely
• 44:24
  Speaker 1: still shooting, um a bunch. I mean, I just love
• 44:27
  Speaker 1: to shoot, So I don't really see myself stopping, um,
• 44:31
  Speaker 1: especially this year. There have been times in the past. Um, really,
• 44:36
  Speaker 1: like two or three years ago, I thought about stopping
• 44:38
  Speaker 1: shooting and just like hunting and stuff. For this past year,
• 44:41
  Speaker 1: I really hammered down and uh, I really loved shooting again,
• 44:45
  Speaker 1: so I'm super jacked about that. UM, So definitely going
• 44:48
  Speaker 1: to continue shooting. UM. I love working um on the
• 44:52
  Speaker 1: business side of things UM, like my own stuff and
• 44:56
  Speaker 1: helping out ultraView Archery I do. I help out quite
• 44:59
  Speaker 1: a bit them Colby Hanley who owns it, it's like
• 45:02
  Speaker 1: one of my best friends. So we're always um working
• 45:05
  Speaker 1: on stuff and collaborating. So I definitely see myself diving
• 45:09
  Speaker 1: in more, more and more and more into the business
• 45:11
  Speaker 1: side of things UM, hopefully growing YouTube channel beyond. I
• 45:17
  Speaker 1: mean right now we're kind of projected by the end
• 45:20
  Speaker 1: of summer to reach a u K subscribers, so that
• 45:23
  Speaker 1: would be rad UM. So yeah, you never know. I
• 45:26
  Speaker 1: don't know. I really don't have a game plan. It's
• 45:28
  Speaker 1: a thing. I just kind of like know what I
• 45:31
  Speaker 1: have to do like today and tomorrow and that's about
• 45:33
  Speaker 1: it and this end vision. But I don't have like
• 45:37
  Speaker 1: a you know, solid solid plan right now. Anyways, So
• 45:44
  Speaker 1: you're doing this full time. You're filling your hunts for YouTube,
• 45:48
  Speaker 1: you're vlogging, your showcasing, your your tournaments, all these different things,
• 45:52
  Speaker 1: and you're also you know, participating these tournaments and and
• 45:56
  Speaker 1: all that is this it's kind of a dream job
• 45:59
  Speaker 1: for a lot of people. Right, yeah, it's pretty close
• 46:02
  Speaker 1: to dream drive for you probably then, right, yeah, dream job.
• 46:05
  Speaker 1: I didn't know that was a dream. Just kind of
• 46:07
  Speaker 1: like it just kind of like happened. It's crazy, but yeah,
• 46:12
  Speaker 1: it's funny. Though you talked earlier how there's this sense
• 46:15
  Speaker 1: of added pressure once you start and I once you
• 46:20
  Speaker 1: start kind of getting this thing. And I've definitely felt
• 46:22
  Speaker 1: this too when I started building my platform my audience. Um,
• 46:26
  Speaker 1: I all of a sudden felt this whole new pressure
• 46:28
  Speaker 1: around everything I was doing. And if I you know,
• 46:30
  Speaker 1: if I didn't had the success in the field that
• 46:32
  Speaker 1: I thought I was supposed to, I feel like I
• 46:34
  Speaker 1: was a failure or that I was letting people down.
• 46:36
  Speaker 1: People would like I think I'm an idiot or or
• 46:39
  Speaker 1: not worth you know, listening to or whatever. So I know, yeah, yeah,
• 46:45
  Speaker 1: I know what you're going through there. Um, but it's
• 46:48
  Speaker 1: it's some days you're like, oh, man, this this almost
• 46:52
  Speaker 1: takes some of the fun out of this thing that
• 46:54
  Speaker 1: used to be just a fun thing to do. Um
• 46:56
  Speaker 1: when it becomes a job. But then at the same
• 46:59
  Speaker 1: time to pinch my self and remind myself, man, you know,
• 47:02
  Speaker 1: don't ever lose the fun. Don't ever let that happen
• 47:04
  Speaker 1: because standard nine to five, you know, doing it on
• 47:07
  Speaker 1: the weekends, it could be way worse. Um, so there's
• 47:10
  Speaker 1: definitely catch twenty two there. But yeah, and I'm I'm
• 47:14
  Speaker 1: managing that. I'm trying to figure that out, you know,
• 47:16
  Speaker 1: navigating it. But it's been good. It's been fun. It's
• 47:21
  Speaker 1: this year, or you can keep going, we can dive in.
• 47:25
  Speaker 1: I have so much I want to touch on real
• 47:27
  Speaker 1: quick about this hunting season because it was crazy, but well, yeah,
• 47:30
  Speaker 1: I mean this, this is a nice segment and because
• 47:33
  Speaker 1: it's funny. Um, you're twenty two, I'm thirty two, and uh,
• 47:39
  Speaker 1: as I was telling you before we started recording this,
• 47:42
  Speaker 1: watching your season last year, I just was really jealous.
• 47:47
  Speaker 1: And then it's it's weird. I shouldn't be jealous because
• 47:49
  Speaker 1: I have my dream job. I'm super lucky to be
• 47:51
  Speaker 1: able to make a living in this industry of this
• 47:54
  Speaker 1: world too. Um, but you know, I have certain obligations
• 47:59
  Speaker 1: that keep me from doing a whole bunch of the
• 48:01
  Speaker 1: crazy stuff you're doing, which is awesome, and I wouldn't
• 48:03
  Speaker 1: trade what I've got. I'm very, very thankful for for
• 48:05
  Speaker 1: everything I've got going on my life and my family
• 48:07
  Speaker 1: and everything. But I do wish that when I was
• 48:09
  Speaker 1: twenty two, I would have taken off on a season
• 48:13
  Speaker 1: like you did in ten and uh and just just
• 48:18
  Speaker 1: looks like you had a hell of a good time. Man.
• 48:20
  Speaker 1: So so at some point I've got a couple more
• 48:24
  Speaker 1: archer questions that I'm probably gonna circle back to. But
• 48:27
  Speaker 1: on the twenty hunting season, first line up, like, give
• 48:31
  Speaker 1: us the high level, thirty ft overview of everything you
• 48:34
  Speaker 1: did in and then I want to dive into some
• 48:37
  Speaker 1: of the specifics. But we first got to understand the
• 48:39
  Speaker 1: scale of this epic tour of the country. Two thousand nineteen,
• 48:43
  Speaker 1: I decided I was going to spend all of my
• 48:45
  Speaker 1: money and go everywhere pretty much. So I pretty much
• 48:49
  Speaker 1: went all out, went to eleven states. I had twelve
• 48:53
  Speaker 1: buck tags and my goal was twelve bucks because Levi
• 48:59
  Speaker 1: Morgans out twelve bucks last year. I was like, who
• 49:03
  Speaker 1: you know, and and this this is a touchy subject
• 49:06
  Speaker 1: to It's like how many deer can you actually shoot?
• 49:09
  Speaker 1: And it becomes unethical. That has been like that has
• 49:12
  Speaker 1: been a turning thing in my mind. But anyway, said,
• 49:14
  Speaker 1: we can talk about that later. Yeah. Um, so I
• 49:19
  Speaker 1: started in Alaska in August shout at Cariboo total d.
• 49:23
  Speaker 1: I y met these guys who are Archie tournament. They
• 49:26
  Speaker 1: invited me out, barely have spent more than thirty minutes
• 49:30
  Speaker 1: talking to them before, and I just totally went up there.
• 49:33
  Speaker 1: We spent twenty four hours together, driving up all the
• 49:36
  Speaker 1: way to nearly Prude obey Us over the calendar Caribou Tag.
• 49:41
  Speaker 1: Spent eleven days out there. Shot one um, other guys
• 49:45
  Speaker 1: almost shot a couple. We flung a couple of arrows.
• 49:48
  Speaker 1: They're really hard, especially especially out there. The way we're
• 49:52
  Speaker 1: doing it. It's like the wild West. Yeah, the Hall Road.
• 49:55
  Speaker 1: I definitely want to hear more about that. The Hall Road.
• 49:59
  Speaker 1: It is the I did quite a bit of research before,
• 50:01
  Speaker 1: and one guy explained it as the budget friendly Alaskan
• 50:07
  Speaker 1: dream hunt, like anyone could do it. I think I
• 50:10
  Speaker 1: spent two grand doing that, so it's not too bad,
• 50:15
  Speaker 1: um for the Alaskan hunt. So that was rat that.
• 50:19
  Speaker 1: I definitely would do that again. Um, it was fun.
• 50:23
  Speaker 1: It was a fun time. You saw incredible things. We
• 50:26
  Speaker 1: saw muskox Um Cariboo. Obviously, we saw a grizzly bear. Um,
• 50:31
  Speaker 1: and you're you're in Alaska, like you know, like there's
• 50:35
  Speaker 1: no joke. Yeah, Like sure, we were on the Hall
• 50:38
  Speaker 1: Road back and forth. Um, and we would we would
• 50:40
  Speaker 1: run that hundred mile strip like all the time. It
• 50:44
  Speaker 1: was intense. So so I looked into doing that hunt.
• 50:48
  Speaker 1: At one point a handful of years ago, I was
• 50:50
  Speaker 1: doing a bunch of research and reading and uh and yes,
• 50:53
  Speaker 1: it sounds like it's a heck of a great budget opportunity.
• 50:55
  Speaker 1: But then I did hear from some people saying that
• 50:57
  Speaker 1: it can just be like a ship show with all
• 51:00
  Speaker 1: sorts of people if they migrations crossing the road, everyone's
• 51:03
  Speaker 1: in the same place and it's hard to get away
• 51:05
  Speaker 1: from other people. Is that that's true? It can be,
• 51:08
  Speaker 1: it can and it can't. So we had we went
• 51:10
  Speaker 1: the week after opening week, um, and I think opening
• 51:15
  Speaker 1: week was a little more busy, but we probably only
• 51:18
  Speaker 1: saw twenty trucks the entire time. Um. But the thing
• 51:24
  Speaker 1: is is where the caribou are the people are, so
• 51:27
  Speaker 1: like there was one time three big bowls in the group.
• 51:31
  Speaker 1: We found them first because we were just driving, and
• 51:33
  Speaker 1: then like, oh, there they are, you know, four yards
• 51:36
  Speaker 1: off the road. So we parked, and uh, in the
• 51:38
  Speaker 1: way the hall road is five miles on each side
• 51:41
  Speaker 1: is archery only like from the ditch. From the ditch
• 51:43
  Speaker 1: five miles you just can't shoot them like standing on
• 51:45
  Speaker 1: the road. And so we run after these cariboo. We
• 51:50
  Speaker 1: get all set up there, feeding towards us like it
• 51:52
  Speaker 1: was gonna work, Like it was just gonna work. We
• 51:54
  Speaker 1: were each huddled down to like this rock because it's flat,
• 51:57
  Speaker 1: so there's like this little rock and we're huddled next
• 52:00
  Speaker 1: to it. And then sure enough, a freaking diesel comes
• 52:02
  Speaker 1: strolling up parks just running, so they're all looking at it,
• 52:06
  Speaker 1: and then another truck pulls up and they're like get
• 52:08
  Speaker 1: out and they're looking at them, and then they run
• 52:10
  Speaker 1: around or they turn around and run back and they
• 52:14
  Speaker 1: try to swing around and then they all spook, you know.
• 52:17
  Speaker 1: So it's it is. It is kind of challenging. And
• 52:19
  Speaker 1: even the one that I shot um we saw from
• 52:24
  Speaker 1: like three quarters of a mile away. I have no
• 52:26
  Speaker 1: idea how we saw it, um, And we started hiking
• 52:29
  Speaker 1: after it, and before we knew it, we looked back
• 52:32
  Speaker 1: behind us and there's two guys up on the mountain
• 52:34
  Speaker 1: like back behind us, and we're like great, but we
• 52:37
  Speaker 1: were in this I talked talked about it pretty blatant
• 52:41
  Speaker 1: in the video, but I'm like, yeah, I think we
• 52:42
  Speaker 1: saw them first, and I think we're ahead of them.
• 52:45
  Speaker 1: So I was like, we'll just keep going and if
• 52:46
  Speaker 1: we run into them, then we run into them. But
• 52:48
  Speaker 1: we were clearly after the same one. So we go
• 52:52
  Speaker 1: and we get in the position and we're like, yeah,
• 52:54
  Speaker 1: they're still like, you know, three yards away or so,
• 52:56
  Speaker 1: it's like we're gonna try to kill him. So we
• 53:00
  Speaker 1: we dived down around this little Luckily we had some terrain,
• 53:02
  Speaker 1: so we worked around this terrain and uh get to her.
• 53:05
  Speaker 1: Maybe he was about a hundred yards away, and it
• 53:06
  Speaker 1: peeked over and he wasn't there, so you can't really
• 53:11
  Speaker 1: see it in the video, but he actually got spooked
• 53:15
  Speaker 1: by the other hunters that swirled around. So those guys
• 53:18
  Speaker 1: actually did us a favor, and the bull ran straight
• 53:21
  Speaker 1: towards us on top of me like thirty yards, like
• 53:25
  Speaker 1: right on the little it was just like a little
• 53:28
  Speaker 1: hill that he was on. And this isn't on video,
• 53:31
  Speaker 1: but I actually drew back on it at like thirty
• 53:34
  Speaker 1: yards and I looked at the camera and my buddy
• 53:38
  Speaker 1: I was filming and he wasn't filming. I was on
• 53:41
  Speaker 1: his heart, like, oh my gosh, like I could just
• 53:43
  Speaker 1: smoke him right now. And I was waiting for him
• 53:46
  Speaker 1: to get the camera, and I let him walk right by.
• 53:49
  Speaker 1: So then I let down and he runs right by
• 53:51
  Speaker 1: my buddy with the camera like right by him, like
• 53:54
  Speaker 1: ten yards, and then I run over to him and
• 53:56
  Speaker 1: circle around and then he starts videoing and the deal
• 54:00
  Speaker 1: and I whipped and missed the shot at like fifty
• 54:04
  Speaker 1: because he was moving around and my range was wrong.
• 54:07
  Speaker 1: Those cariboo never stopped ever ever stop. It's they're always moving. Um.
• 54:12
  Speaker 1: So then I quickly reloaded and by the time the
• 54:14
  Speaker 1: cariboo knew what was up, he had an arrow sticking
• 54:17
  Speaker 1: in him. And uh then he ran to a hundred
• 54:20
  Speaker 1: and he was just like wobbling there at a hundred,
• 54:23
  Speaker 1: and I ranged him and smoked him and he dropped.
• 54:26
  Speaker 1: So that's how that happened. Yeah, that was I saw
• 54:31
  Speaker 1: part of that of that hunt up until you got
• 54:33
  Speaker 1: the shot. And that was pretty crazy. Um. And that terrain,
• 54:36
  Speaker 1: I mean you just yeah, it's flat's why open, but
• 54:40
  Speaker 1: huge vistas, I mean beautiful in its own kind of
• 54:43
  Speaker 1: stark way. Um. I mean it's it's hard to beat
• 54:47
  Speaker 1: Alaska as far as the experience. Yeah, I totally recommend it.
• 54:51
  Speaker 1: And there's ways you can like rent vehicles in uh
• 54:56
  Speaker 1: not Anchorage. What's what's the one just Fairbanks? Fair Banks? Yeah,
• 54:59
  Speaker 1: you can in fair Banks. You can fly into fair Banks.
• 55:01
  Speaker 1: We're in a vehicle drive up. But the buddies I
• 55:05
  Speaker 1: knew lived in Anchorage, so I drove all the way
• 55:07
  Speaker 1: from Anchorage. That was all. So first Alaska trip, right, yeah,
• 55:14
  Speaker 1: my first big, like big adventure type trip. One out
• 55:19
  Speaker 1: of ten rating? Did it? Did it hit ten to
• 55:21
  Speaker 1: hit your expectations or what? Nine? Nine, eight or nine?
• 55:26
  Speaker 1: We were thinking we'd see more caribou, and but that's
• 55:30
  Speaker 1: hit or miss with the migration, you know. Yes, I
• 55:33
  Speaker 1: don't mean to make you jealous, but on my caribou hunt,
• 55:36
  Speaker 1: I probably saw ten thousand. Yeah we saw uh no,
• 55:41
  Speaker 1: but that's still pretty cool man. Still it was cool. Yeah,
• 55:45
  Speaker 1: So yeah, what happened next? Then we went to Kentucky
• 55:49
  Speaker 1: early season in September. Um. I brought little Cooper with me.
• 55:54
  Speaker 1: We always go on a hunt every year. That was
• 55:55
  Speaker 1: kind of a bust um. And then we went to
• 55:59
  Speaker 1: oh then we into Texas, shot a pig out of
• 56:02
  Speaker 1: a helicopter that was pretty rad with the bow, and uh,
• 56:06
  Speaker 1: then we went to then we hit the Western Tour.
• 56:09
  Speaker 1: So the Western Tour UM quickly kind of sponsored it.
• 56:13
  Speaker 1: Um let us bring out there four by four machine,
• 56:16
  Speaker 1: which was awesome. Um, it was was so rad. Yeah,
• 56:20
  Speaker 1: we got to talk about that. Yeah, because so you
• 56:24
  Speaker 1: were going on this multi state Western tour and quickly,
• 56:29
  Speaker 1: for those who aren't familiar, it's like a big big
• 56:32
  Speaker 1: camper van or big conversion van that was tripped out
• 56:34
  Speaker 1: for this kind of thing. Can you walk us through
• 56:36
  Speaker 1: what that van setup was? Yeah, So it was two
• 56:40
  Speaker 1: bunk beds that flipped down on the side so you
• 56:42
  Speaker 1: can put them up for storage or travel or whatever.
• 56:46
  Speaker 1: And uh there was four seats so driver, passenger, and
• 56:49
  Speaker 1: then like a half row in the back and then
• 56:52
  Speaker 1: there's like a bunch of storage. Um. There are solar
• 56:54
  Speaker 1: panels on the top. So the whole thing was power
• 56:56
  Speaker 1: like the van didn't need to be on and like
• 56:59
  Speaker 1: power like we ran a microwave like you could, you
• 57:01
  Speaker 1: could do whatever you wanted. Um. And then we actually
• 57:04
  Speaker 1: put a sleeper, little sleeper topper on top. Um. So yeah,
• 57:08
  Speaker 1: it was fully functional for four people, Like, four people
• 57:11
  Speaker 1: could run out of it, no problem. Um, now quickly
• 57:14
  Speaker 1: hooked you guys up with that, right, Yeah, do you
• 57:17
  Speaker 1: have an idea of what it costs to buy something
• 57:20
  Speaker 1: like that? We did research because we were curious. You
• 57:22
  Speaker 1: can buy like a stripped out transit van for thirty
• 57:28
  Speaker 1: thirty like a pretty new one. Um, and then all
• 57:30
  Speaker 1: the renditions we were thinking were like twenty five grand.
• 57:35
  Speaker 1: It's not cheap, but not know, not more. But you
• 57:39
  Speaker 1: buy a brand new truck, you know, I mean, I
• 57:42
  Speaker 1: don't know. It's not for everyone, but you can also
• 57:45
  Speaker 1: do it, you know, the budget friendly way. You get
• 57:47
  Speaker 1: kind of a beater and four by four conversion and
• 57:51
  Speaker 1: rig it out, you know, and for probably then you
• 57:55
  Speaker 1: got a sweet hunt and rig that you can live
• 57:56
  Speaker 1: out of. Now you don't have to pay for hotels
• 57:58
  Speaker 1: and everything. Yeah, it's it's a really cool way to
• 58:01
  Speaker 1: do it. I've been very tempted. I've looked at looked
• 58:04
  Speaker 1: at vans for a while thinking about doing something like
• 58:06
  Speaker 1: that because I love I love just going on my
• 58:08
  Speaker 1: hunts and sleeping in the back of my truck and
• 58:10
  Speaker 1: that works great. But yeah, sometimes wish she had more room. Yeah, yeah,
• 58:15
  Speaker 1: it was it was cool. So we started. We started
• 58:18
  Speaker 1: in Wyoming, UM, hunted there for six days. UM. We
• 58:22
  Speaker 1: tagged out one out of three tags there. Wyoming is rough. Um.
• 58:28
  Speaker 1: Then we headed to Nebraska. We're three for three on
• 58:32
  Speaker 1: studs in Nebraska. UM. We hunted there for four days,
• 58:39
  Speaker 1: shot three And then we went to South Dakota. Hunted
• 58:44
  Speaker 1: there for a day and we shot two bucks. That
• 58:47
  Speaker 1: was crazy. How that happened? Back to back, Um, and
• 58:51
  Speaker 1: then we drove home. So how many days of a
• 58:53
  Speaker 1: total day? Fourteen days total? You hunted three different states.
• 58:57
  Speaker 1: You had a bunch of guys, bunch of Yeah, in
• 59:01
  Speaker 1: every state we like new people were like joining us.
• 59:04
  Speaker 1: So it was pretty cool. So I gotta believe that
• 59:06
  Speaker 1: people see these videos on YouTube or they're listening now
• 59:09
  Speaker 1: and they're wondering, how the heck did you pull it off?
• 59:11
  Speaker 1: I mean, lots of people go on a Western hunt
• 59:14
  Speaker 1: and they research and they plan all year, and they've
• 59:16
  Speaker 1: got one place and they try to find one place
• 59:19
  Speaker 1: to hunt, and uh, they're happy and lucky if they
• 59:22
  Speaker 1: get one shot. And you guys hit three states all
• 59:25
  Speaker 1: these different places. Um? Were these was this public land?
• 59:29
  Speaker 1: Was a private was it with buddies to do these
• 59:31
  Speaker 1: places like what was all that? So Wilding was a
• 59:34
  Speaker 1: buddy's lease. Um, Nebraska is a friend's property. And South
• 59:40
  Speaker 1: Dakota was walking hunting, Okay, And so there's a little
• 59:44
  Speaker 1: bit of pre intel on some of these spots and
• 59:46
  Speaker 1: some figuring out in your own all of them were.
• 59:49
  Speaker 1: South Dakota was a little bit of intel. Um, some
• 59:51
  Speaker 1: buddies from Wisconsin we met out there and they hunted
• 59:54
  Speaker 1: there a year prior. Um when it wasn't like here
• 59:58
  Speaker 1: they all are, you know, it was like right, we
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 1: can hunt. You know these chunks or whatever. These chunks
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 1: we know, Um, Nebraska, Wyoming we know like the back
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 1: of our hand. Nebraska we know pretty well. Um, so
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 1: those were like, you know, I'm pretty familiar in South
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 1: Dakota was totally foreign to us. Which part of the
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 1: state was that southwest? That was north Northwest. Yeah, it's
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 1: cool stuff all those three states. What's your favorite Nebraska,
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 1: but Nebraska or South Dakota. South Dakota was pretty awesome, um,
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 1: because there's a lot of walk in in public ground
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 1: and uh, you're getting into like a different kind of
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 1: Western field. Like Nebraska is probably my favorite, just because
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 1: we go out with my buddy Tim, and it's just
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 1: like fun hanging out with Tim and there's like tons
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 1: of deer um and there's giants like everywhere behind every tree. Yeah,
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 1: well he's got some sweet pieces of property. Um. Yeah,
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 1: I don't know. But Wyoming is cool because it's it
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 1: feels like out west, big mountains. You know, we see elk,
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 1: we see meal deer, we see everything. But I don't know.
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 1: They all kind of have their own their own deal.
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 1: I hate naming favorites. Everyone's like, what's your favorite state,
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 1: what's your favorite And I'm like, I don't know. It's
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 1: like they all kind of have their own own thing
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 1: that I love about them. Yeah. I understand that you've
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 1: hunted sounds like a few of these states before Nebraska
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 1: definitely before wilding before Um, anything that you learned last
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 1: year on that front, on chasing mule's like that and
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 1: in some white tail too. Um yeah, come away with
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 1: any any lessons learned or anything meal deer. We kind
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 1: of got a formula down for Nebraska. Now. The way
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 1: that Nebraska is is where we're at there's lots of
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 1: ad fields and then just like on the edge of
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 1: an agg field or or like in the middle of it,
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 1: there's a pasture, it literally goes down like it's like
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 1: negative space if it looks like almost. So what we'll
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 1: do is we'll get out there in the morning early
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 1: and we'll sit on a and it's it's just pretty standard.
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 1: But for Nebraska it's a little different because you can't
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 1: get like on a mountain and look in the morning,
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 1: you know. So we'll just get in the pasture somewhere
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 1: where we can see like kind of the farthest um,
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 1: and then we'll see them normally drop down in and
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 1: bed down in the past year and then go through it, um,
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 1: you know, try to put stock on it or whatever. Um.
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 1: But the past two years, the same exact thing happened.
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 1: Um my buck last year and my buck this year.
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 1: We're actually just driving around in the truck in the
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 1: past year because they're all they're literally like cow pastures,
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 1: and we would bomb accidentally these bucks out of their
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 1: bed like just driving one place to another and be like, oh, yeah,
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 1: they're bedded right there there. They go, Okay, let's put
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 1: a pin right there, And then next morning we would
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 1: go look over that same spot and they would come
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 1: back in bed in the same spot. So it was
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 1: kind of interesting in this year. We didn't bump it
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 1: hundred percent out of his bed, but we were driving.
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 1: It was, um, just twilight at night. We're just driving
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 1: back to camp, and we saw this buck just up
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 1: on the ridge and we're like, he had to have
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 1: just gotten up out of his bed to go to
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 1: the go to the fields. So the next morning we
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 1: set up kind of in that area, just overlooking that
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 1: whole thing, and sure enough he came down, um just
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 1: in one of the draws, and that stock took a
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 1: long time. And another lesson I guess is I've slowed
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 1: way down. Um, there's a lot of times. You know,
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 1: this is my fourth year meal der hunting, um, and
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 1: I don't I'm not a master, or don't know a
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 1: whole lot, but all I know is you really have
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 1: to slow down, and you really can't go slow enough
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 1: if they're bedded. I think I took three hours to
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 1: go two d yards and uh, because we had to
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 1: work work these rim edges of these um cuts. Essentially
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 1: they're not huge cuts, but it was just big enough
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 1: and just steep enough where like you couldn't see them entirely,
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 1: so we would me and Bryce. Bryce was like, right,
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 1: behind me filming. We just worked really slow around these
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 1: like four um four cut rim edge and finally on
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 1: the fourth one um we saw him, luckily, and then
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 1: I worked my way down and shout him at sixty
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 1: five and so have you you've seen him from across
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 1: the way. I said, okay, I think he's better there,
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 1: and then you circle the way around or how did
• 1:04:28
  Speaker 1: that work? Yeah? So we saw him coming off the
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 1: cornfield probably four yards away, work down into the cut
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 1: um and then disappeared. But the thing was is there
• 1:04:38
  Speaker 1: was these four big cuts that we saw and we're like, well,
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 1: he could be in anyone really, because he could have
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 1: just like whazzled around and laid down. And in these cuts,
• 1:04:46
  Speaker 1: they're like they almost look like, um, we're in Michigan,
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 1: so you know when there's in the farmer's field and
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 1: they just planted and it's kind of steep. We got
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 1: a big rain and it like washes out and that's
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 1: what it looks like. It looks like a big version
• 1:04:59
  Speaker 1: of that up. I know exactly what you mean. Yeah,
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 1: And uh so there was like four of these and
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 1: we're like, oh, he could be really in anyone. And
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 1: there's these deep little spots that can bed right around,
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 1: so we knew he could be in the first one
• 1:05:12
  Speaker 1: or he could be in the fourth one. So every
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 1: single one, in every single corner, you just have to
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 1: act like he's going to be right there. You know,
• 1:05:18
  Speaker 1: if we just like blew through it and we're like, ah,
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 1: he's not now, when he's not now, when he's not now,
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 1: and we would have busted him, you know, he either
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 1: would have hurt us or something. So he's I don't know.
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 1: In in last year also, um, I slowed way down
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 1: on my buck because similar thing happened. We watched him
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 1: come up over this little hillside and dip down into
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 1: a cut, but we couldn't see down in the cut.
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 1: It's like same Azact situation. So we had to just
• 1:05:42
  Speaker 1: work the edge super super slow and that probably took
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 1: an hour. So and another thing it's like in Wyoming,
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 1: I wish I practice this a little better with patients,
• 1:05:56
  Speaker 1: is we had one opportunity at a meal deer for
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 1: six days, like one in solid opportunity, and I kind
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 1: of like rushed it because I was like it's first morning,
• 1:06:05
  Speaker 1: Like I just rushed it and I kind of blew
• 1:06:07
  Speaker 1: the stock. So it was like if I spent like
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 1: a half a day, like or the whole day just
• 1:06:11
  Speaker 1: trying to kill this one buck in his spot, we
• 1:06:13
  Speaker 1: would have killed it, but instead we try to kill
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 1: him in thirty minutes, and we blew it, you know,
• 1:06:18
  Speaker 1: and and therefore we wasted six days, you know, or
• 1:06:20
  Speaker 1: not wasted, but we then spent the next six days
• 1:06:23
  Speaker 1: going at it. So if I just spent one day
• 1:06:26
  Speaker 1: or like the half a day trying to just like
• 1:06:28
  Speaker 1: really ninja in on this block, it would have worked
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 1: other than going slow? What else do you do to
• 1:06:35
  Speaker 1: be a ninja when you're stalking at him? Do you
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 1: do you go as far as like thrown on stocking sacks,
• 1:06:41
  Speaker 1: taking off your shoes or anything that? How about wind?
• 1:06:44
  Speaker 1: Did wind play into any of these? How you're dealing
• 1:06:47
  Speaker 1: with circles or anything like that? What else is going
• 1:06:49
  Speaker 1: through your mind on that stock? This year, my Nebraska
• 1:06:52
  Speaker 1: mule deer, it was like dead calm, which sucked because
• 1:06:55
  Speaker 1: it was super it was dry, It was dead calm,
• 1:06:58
  Speaker 1: and it was like that grass that follow yellow grass,
• 1:07:01
  Speaker 1: Like every step was just crunchy. So I don't like
• 1:07:06
  Speaker 1: to take off my boots because one time I took
• 1:07:09
  Speaker 1: my boots off and like wore my socks to stalk
• 1:07:12
  Speaker 1: in and well, one you can stop on a cactus
• 1:07:15
  Speaker 1: and really jack yourself up. Um to the bucks spooked up,
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 1: but then ran around and stopped, and I could have
• 1:07:23
  Speaker 1: if I had my boots on, I could have hauled
• 1:07:25
  Speaker 1: butt around and then got back on them. So if
• 1:07:28
  Speaker 1: I were to ever um do that, I definitely would
• 1:07:31
  Speaker 1: wear the moccasin type things. I would never like just
• 1:07:33
  Speaker 1: do socks. But um, I just go slow, like I'm
• 1:07:37
  Speaker 1: like slow, I'm talking about like he'll barely touching, and
• 1:07:41
  Speaker 1: then you feel make sure you're not stop stepping on
• 1:07:43
  Speaker 1: a stick, and then you like roll your edge of
• 1:07:45
  Speaker 1: your foot down, make sure nothing's crunching, and then go
• 1:07:48
  Speaker 1: all the way down and then shift pressure onto that
• 1:07:51
  Speaker 1: foot and then you do the same thing next week.
• 1:07:53
  Speaker 1: I mean that's what we did for like three hours straight.
• 1:07:56
  Speaker 1: It gets sucked. But you gotta act like every single
• 1:07:58
  Speaker 1: little when you're in a situation, like you have to
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 1: act like every single little thing is gonna be betted behind.
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 1: So maybe that's too much or not, but in those
• 1:08:09
  Speaker 1: type of situations, all it takes is one little thing,
• 1:08:12
  Speaker 1: you know, It's just like white, one little thing can
• 1:08:16
  Speaker 1: jack it up. I think that's why it's so exciting
• 1:08:20
  Speaker 1: and addicting, because all those little things matter. You just
• 1:08:24
  Speaker 1: gotta do so on point. Um, So you did fourteen days,
• 1:08:29
  Speaker 1: you guys days miles. Um, I think we got seven
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 1: bow kills on film. That's a heck of a haul.
• 1:08:40
  Speaker 1: How How what about gear? What about travel? Um? I
• 1:08:47
  Speaker 1: gotta believe you came out of this with some favorite
• 1:08:51
  Speaker 1: gear or some things that just absolutely saved the day
• 1:08:53
  Speaker 1: or that. Now I'll never I'll never do a hunt
• 1:08:56
  Speaker 1: like that without this or a little hack you figured
• 1:08:58
  Speaker 1: out anything like that. Just as far as hunting trips
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 1: like that, that that stuck out. Yeah, Um, I pretty
• 1:09:06
  Speaker 1: much wore like the same stuff I run um sick
• 1:09:09
  Speaker 1: of gear mountain pants pretty much for everything right around
• 1:09:12
  Speaker 1: like that middle October because it's like just a little
• 1:09:16
  Speaker 1: cold in the morning, but then it's pretty hot, so
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 1: that those pants are just killer. Um. And then I
• 1:09:23
  Speaker 1: talked about this a lot on like my channels, But
• 1:09:25
  Speaker 1: my favorite jacket and I were like all sick of stuff,
• 1:09:29
  Speaker 1: not all sick of stuff, but mainly sick of stuff. Um.
• 1:09:32
  Speaker 1: It's the Kelvin light hoodie that brown. I love that hoodie.
• 1:09:36
  Speaker 1: It's like if people are like, what one piece would
• 1:09:39
  Speaker 1: you buy if you could only buy one piece, I
• 1:09:41
  Speaker 1: really think it would be just that one because you
• 1:09:45
  Speaker 1: can wear it for insulated for white tail, an outer
• 1:09:48
  Speaker 1: for light tail, because it's pretty quiet and it's fine
• 1:09:51
  Speaker 1: and all those mornings glassing kind of like in that
• 1:09:54
  Speaker 1: mid season. It works awesome. And I've shot so many
• 1:09:58
  Speaker 1: deer wearing that jacket. It's like, definitely might go to
• 1:10:02
  Speaker 1: um out West. Out there. You definitely need a solid
• 1:10:05
  Speaker 1: pair of boots. Um. I run kind of tracks their
• 1:10:11
  Speaker 1: bottom used or got them used and they were good. Um.
• 1:10:15
  Speaker 1: I really haven't messed with many others, but I think
• 1:10:18
  Speaker 1: that's pretty common. Everyone says you always need a good
• 1:10:20
  Speaker 1: pair of boots. You really do? You know, you can't.
• 1:10:22
  Speaker 1: You can't be chomping around with with whatever unless you're
• 1:10:27
  Speaker 1: unless you're just a special breed like that. There's a
• 1:10:30
  Speaker 1: rancher out in Wyoming and he came out hunting with
• 1:10:33
  Speaker 1: us for a day and he was in the sketchers.
• 1:10:36
  Speaker 1: It's like, bro, what are you doing? He does it
• 1:10:39
  Speaker 1: every day, so it's like he's like whatever. Um, yeah,
• 1:10:42
  Speaker 1: I don't know. There's so much. One one major takeaways
• 1:10:47
  Speaker 1: every year I bring less like my first my first
• 1:10:51
  Speaker 1: time out West, I brought so much. And every year
• 1:10:54
  Speaker 1: I consolidate and consolidate because I brought This year, I
• 1:10:58
  Speaker 1: brought like recreation and clothes that I never even touched,
• 1:11:02
  Speaker 1: like I could have, you know, eliminated a whole suitcase
• 1:11:06
  Speaker 1: pretty much. There's just there's just things every year that
• 1:11:10
  Speaker 1: I can solivate because you just really don't need it,
• 1:11:13
  Speaker 1: Like when you're hunting like that, like literally hunted fourteen
• 1:11:17
  Speaker 1: days straight. All you're doing is hunting. You're not you know,
• 1:11:20
  Speaker 1: sun up to sundown. We were trying to kill something
• 1:11:24
  Speaker 1: and you're just not spending a lot of time doing
• 1:11:28
  Speaker 1: other things. So it's like remembering that for next year
• 1:11:32
  Speaker 1: and packing wise, you know, really consolidate on things. Do
• 1:11:35
  Speaker 1: you do you bring any emergency archery repair stuff? Uh? Yeah,
• 1:11:41
  Speaker 1: very minor stuff. What what would you what would you
• 1:11:44
  Speaker 1: consider like must have that someone should bring, or or
• 1:11:47
  Speaker 1: any backup pieces or accessoris or anything like that. Either
• 1:11:51
  Speaker 1: rather so than like backup pieces, I would um, I
• 1:11:54
  Speaker 1: would mark on your bow, like your your peep site,
• 1:11:58
  Speaker 1: either like you measure your peepsite or you put a
• 1:12:01
  Speaker 1: little sharpie mark on your like where your peep site
• 1:12:04
  Speaker 1: is on your bow. That is like the number one
• 1:12:06
  Speaker 1: thing that gets bumped. I missed it here a couple
• 1:12:09
  Speaker 1: of years ago because my peep site got bombed or
• 1:12:11
  Speaker 1: moved like slid down the string and missed it low. Um,
• 1:12:15
  Speaker 1: so that's like the number one thing I would recommend,
• 1:12:19
  Speaker 1: um peepsite. It's really not falling out. Your rest could
• 1:12:22
  Speaker 1: get bombed, but you really can't like just throw a
• 1:12:25
  Speaker 1: new one on. Um, My equipment is pretty hardy. UM.
• 1:12:30
  Speaker 1: I don't even bring like an extra bow. I probably should,
• 1:12:33
  Speaker 1: especially on a trip like that, especially if I have one. UM.
• 1:12:39
  Speaker 1: I really don't have too much extra stuff that I
• 1:12:42
  Speaker 1: bring like that. Um, it's funny you say that both
• 1:12:46
  Speaker 1: thing I've always had the same thing. I should bring
• 1:12:48
  Speaker 1: an extra bow. I should bring an extra bow. But
• 1:12:50
  Speaker 1: then it just comes down to space and wanting to
• 1:12:53
  Speaker 1: keep it as minimal as possible. And it's like your
• 1:12:57
  Speaker 1: bow is gonna blow up and it's gonna be like
• 1:12:59
  Speaker 1: unusable or you're you're gonna be able to like fix
• 1:13:01
  Speaker 1: it with like whatever you have. Like I think the
• 1:13:05
  Speaker 1: same way as a tournament. You know, it's like your
• 1:13:07
  Speaker 1: BA is gonna break to a point where you can't
• 1:13:09
  Speaker 1: fix it. So you're gonna be screwed or is going
• 1:13:11
  Speaker 1: to be something super super small that you can fix
• 1:13:13
  Speaker 1: easy if the bad thing happens, it's just not your day. Yeah, yeah, exactly. Um,
• 1:13:19
  Speaker 1: what about food after fourteen days on the road, what
• 1:13:22
  Speaker 1: was learn anything as far as good travel food or
• 1:13:25
  Speaker 1: how you guys handle that. Yeah. So this year what
• 1:13:28
  Speaker 1: we did different is actually did pre made meals. So
• 1:13:31
  Speaker 1: we made like fried rice, a ton of fried rice,
• 1:13:33
  Speaker 1: made it and uh, and then freezer packed it and
• 1:13:36
  Speaker 1: froze it and then um, I think I did eight
• 1:13:42
  Speaker 1: days or nine days of food for that for four
• 1:13:45
  Speaker 1: people each day. Um, so frozen and then actually did
• 1:13:49
  Speaker 1: dry ice and a yetie and it kept it frozen
• 1:13:52
  Speaker 1: for all those eight days. And then we did uh
• 1:13:57
  Speaker 1: we did mac and cheese micro wave mac and cheese,
• 1:14:00
  Speaker 1: and then we did because we had a microwave in
• 1:14:02
  Speaker 1: the quickly. And then we did the super cheap dollar
• 1:14:06
  Speaker 1: or you can buy like a twenty pack burritos at
• 1:14:09
  Speaker 1: Walmart for like three dollars. You get a bunch of those,
• 1:14:12
  Speaker 1: and we actually just like ate those as a d
• 1:14:14
  Speaker 1: thought warming them up. It kind of sounds like you
• 1:14:18
  Speaker 1: basically eat on a hunting trip, like I ate during college. Yeah,
• 1:14:22
  Speaker 1: you know kind of when you when you go to
• 1:14:24
  Speaker 1: eleven states and spend all of your money, you're still
• 1:14:26
  Speaker 1: balling on a budget. So yeah, that's awesome. It's very minimal.
• 1:14:32
  Speaker 1: That's the good stuff. Though. Those are sometimes the best
• 1:14:34
  Speaker 1: meals if you don't anything fancy. It's just what do
• 1:14:37
  Speaker 1: they say they say, I'm gonna get the phrase wrong,
• 1:14:42
  Speaker 1: but like exertion is the best spice, Like after a long,
• 1:14:46
  Speaker 1: hard day of work, it makes the food taste better
• 1:14:49
  Speaker 1: just by virtue of what happened. Sprinkle sprinkle some dirt
• 1:14:52
  Speaker 1: on anything, and pretty much needed at that point. Our
• 1:14:54
  Speaker 1: best meal was in South Dakota. We finally had like
• 1:14:57
  Speaker 1: we finished early in the day, so we had like
• 1:14:59
  Speaker 1: a couple all hours at the end and we cooked
• 1:15:02
  Speaker 1: up some back straps for everyone, and we had six
• 1:15:05
  Speaker 1: people in camp. That was the biggest camp, so that
• 1:15:07
  Speaker 1: was really cool. We had. We had a good time
• 1:15:10
  Speaker 1: right at the end. Yeah, that trip was literally more
• 1:15:14
  Speaker 1: sun up to sundown, fourteen days straight of hunting. It
• 1:15:17
  Speaker 1: was so intense, and like when we were in Wyoming
• 1:15:20
  Speaker 1: it was like ten miles a day, twelve miles a day.
• 1:15:23
  Speaker 1: Nebraska was a little bit more laid back and then
• 1:15:25
  Speaker 1: I think in South Dakota the one day we hunted,
• 1:15:27
  Speaker 1: we did like fourteen miles in a day. Would you
• 1:15:30
  Speaker 1: do would you do a trip like that again? Yeah? Yeah,
• 1:15:33
  Speaker 1: we're planning one. Um this year it's gonna be a
• 1:15:36
  Speaker 1: little different. Um, it's gonna have an elk hunt in it,
• 1:15:39
  Speaker 1: hopefully so. But three states probably the same amount of time,
• 1:15:44
  Speaker 1: right around the same time frame. Anything you do differently
• 1:15:47
  Speaker 1: logistically or planning or anything like that. Looking looking forward
• 1:15:52
  Speaker 1: towards your next hunt, specifically for the Western tour, maybe
• 1:15:56
  Speaker 1: pick spots that are a little closer together, know, like
• 1:16:00
  Speaker 1: find find the Golden Triangle, you know of of three
• 1:16:03
  Speaker 1: states or something. If you're gonna hit up states or
• 1:16:05
  Speaker 1: two states, you know, if you want to hit up
• 1:16:07
  Speaker 1: two states, you know, you go on right on the
• 1:16:09
  Speaker 1: border of one and then just jump across like two
• 1:16:12
  Speaker 1: over the counter states. Um, maybe do that because like
• 1:16:15
  Speaker 1: some our spons for like twelve hours apart. It's funny
• 1:16:18
  Speaker 1: bring that up because it also brings up another thing
• 1:16:21
  Speaker 1: that I've sometimes debated internally, and I've kind of been
• 1:16:24
  Speaker 1: forced to pull back on this a little bit, just
• 1:16:26
  Speaker 1: with you know, stuff that goes on family and everything.
• 1:16:29
  Speaker 1: But I sometimes have debated in past years if it
• 1:16:34
  Speaker 1: makes more sense to hunt a bunch of different states
• 1:16:37
  Speaker 1: but be bounding in place to place and have time limits, um,
• 1:16:41
  Speaker 1: or do you want to just focus on a couple.
• 1:16:44
  Speaker 1: So that's super interesting you say that, because that's my
• 1:16:47
  Speaker 1: focus for this year, So explain that. What do you mean?
• 1:16:50
  Speaker 1: Which way? So like this year, we had three to
• 1:16:53
  Speaker 1: five days in each state and it was hard. Like
• 1:16:57
  Speaker 1: in most of these places, like Western Toil we had
• 1:16:59
  Speaker 1: a little bit. But at these places like Ohio, Iowa, um,
• 1:17:06
  Speaker 1: West Virginia, like all the other places I went, no
• 1:17:10
  Speaker 1: previous experience, so we're just like showing up and we'll
• 1:17:13
  Speaker 1: be like, all right, how do we kill a deer?
• 1:17:15
  Speaker 1: You know? Pretty much. And we had three to three
• 1:17:18
  Speaker 1: to four days, three or five days, sometimes two days
• 1:17:21
  Speaker 1: to figure it out, and it was just draining and
• 1:17:23
  Speaker 1: it was hard. So this year we're narrowing it down.
• 1:17:27
  Speaker 1: I think I'm only going to five or six, which
• 1:17:31
  Speaker 1: is still a lot, but compared to eleven, which was
• 1:17:35
  Speaker 1: a lot. UM, narrow it down, spend more time, you know,
• 1:17:39
  Speaker 1: try to um essentially, try to kill some bigger dear,
• 1:17:43
  Speaker 1: you know, because my goal this year was like if
• 1:17:47
  Speaker 1: it gets me pumping a little bit and it's like
• 1:17:49
  Speaker 1: a good solid bock, I'll shoot it. Like I shot
• 1:17:51
  Speaker 1: you know, a couple of two year olds and whatever.
• 1:17:54
  Speaker 1: And I did that just for the adventure, you know,
• 1:17:56
  Speaker 1: go somewhere trying to figure it out. Shoot you dear
• 1:17:58
  Speaker 1: you know, that was my goal, which was awesome. Yeah.
• 1:18:02
  Speaker 1: This year, I don't know, Like I'm hopefully going to
• 1:18:05
  Speaker 1: draw in Kansas this year, UM, so I'll probably spend
• 1:18:09
  Speaker 1: you know, a solid seven eight days planned for Kansas, um,
• 1:18:16
  Speaker 1: you know, just to spend some time out there. So
• 1:18:20
  Speaker 1: I don't know, it's it's uh, that has been a
• 1:18:23
  Speaker 1: very um hot topic lately, especially talking with Bryce. We've
• 1:18:27
  Speaker 1: been like strategizing on on that. So I don't know,
• 1:18:31
  Speaker 1: spend some more time in Michigan. I spent so much
• 1:18:33
  Speaker 1: time in Michigan preparing food plots and everything, and it's
• 1:18:37
  Speaker 1: like I'm always gone, So it's like I don't really
• 1:18:39
  Speaker 1: get to hunt it. Yeah, you gotta gotta give the
• 1:18:43
  Speaker 1: homestakes some love, yeah, I know. And it's like it's
• 1:18:45
  Speaker 1: the most challenging of all of them almost in my opinion. Yeah, yeah,
• 1:18:50
  Speaker 1: I certainly feel the same way. It's my buddy Dan Johnson,
• 1:18:55
  Speaker 1: who's on the podcast a lot with me Liz in
• 1:18:58
  Speaker 1: Iowa and tell him that for years and finally he's
• 1:19:01
  Speaker 1: gonna come and hunt Michigan this year, so he'll finally
• 1:19:04
  Speaker 1: get to see what we're talking about. It's probably not
• 1:19:06
  Speaker 1: gonna hunt it again, No, probably not so once in
• 1:19:08
  Speaker 1: a lifetime. Thank I'm actually really impressed you guys. Shout
• 1:19:13
  Speaker 1: back on the back forty. It was just it was
• 1:19:17
  Speaker 1: touching go there for a while, man, just because I
• 1:19:21
  Speaker 1: know how it goes. Yeah, it can be. It can
• 1:19:24
  Speaker 1: be tough. But managed to find a few ever once
• 1:19:27
  Speaker 1: in a while. So gonna work for him, that's for sure.
• 1:19:31
  Speaker 1: So so you hunted, You hunted a whole bunch of
• 1:19:35
  Speaker 1: white tail states last year, Like you just said, um,
• 1:19:38
  Speaker 1: without taking another hour and going through every single one
• 1:19:41
  Speaker 1: of those and talking to your ear off, was there
• 1:19:43
  Speaker 1: anything that stood out across all of those as far
• 1:19:45
  Speaker 1: as the most interesting or maybe not even that, but
• 1:19:49
  Speaker 1: is there any hunt that sticks with you like you
• 1:19:51
  Speaker 1: look back on it and you think to yourself, oh man,
• 1:19:54
  Speaker 1: that changed how I look at stuff, or that was
• 1:19:56
  Speaker 1: a huge screw up. I'll never do that again. Anything
• 1:19:58
  Speaker 1: like that that stands out from your white talents. So Ohio,
• 1:20:03
  Speaker 1: first time hunting in Ohio. Had some buddies that I
• 1:20:06
  Speaker 1: met actually from Michigan invited me down and they have
• 1:20:09
  Speaker 1: a couple of permission on some farms. Pretty awesome farms
• 1:20:12
  Speaker 1: down there. But Ohio is different, Like there's not a
• 1:20:16
  Speaker 1: lot of deer. Um, Like, we probably only saw ten
• 1:20:20
  Speaker 1: deer in four days of hunting, and uh, but their quality, dear,
• 1:20:25
  Speaker 1: like your opportunity to see a big one is a
• 1:20:29
  Speaker 1: lot higher, you know, per dear um. So that was
• 1:20:33
  Speaker 1: super interesting. Um. Kind of changed my perspective on things
• 1:20:36
  Speaker 1: because a lot of times um and even even in now,
• 1:20:40
  Speaker 1: thinking of Michigan and other spots, we we try to
• 1:20:43
  Speaker 1: hunt like where the deer are, like where a lot
• 1:20:44
  Speaker 1: of deer are, and maybe not necessarily all the time,
• 1:20:48
  Speaker 1: where the big bucks are, you know. So it's like
• 1:20:51
  Speaker 1: sitting in spots where like, all right, you might not
• 1:20:53
  Speaker 1: see a deer today, but when you do, it's going
• 1:20:56
  Speaker 1: to be a good one, you know. I feel like
• 1:20:58
  Speaker 1: a lot of times we get we get cat up
• 1:21:00
  Speaker 1: in and wanting to see a lot of deer because
• 1:21:03
  Speaker 1: like there's spots in Michigan on the farm that we managed,
• 1:21:06
  Speaker 1: but It's like if you see forty deer in a night,
• 1:21:07
  Speaker 1: and you'll see a two year old and a bunch
• 1:21:09
  Speaker 1: of one year olds, but if you sat here, you
• 1:21:11
  Speaker 1: might only see three deer. But the chances are a
• 1:21:15
  Speaker 1: lot more. So I don't I get caught up in
• 1:21:18
  Speaker 1: that a lot. I feel like, yeah, that's a great point.
• 1:21:21
  Speaker 1: And I feel like a lot of people do you know?
• 1:21:24
  Speaker 1: So that's a big shift going from hunting any deer
• 1:21:26
  Speaker 1: to hunting the Yeah it is, and uh, you know,
• 1:21:33
  Speaker 1: I I've done it, like I've grind it out and
• 1:21:37
  Speaker 1: I try to shoot big deer and I've shot I'm
• 1:21:39
  Speaker 1: not having shot like a big deer in Michigan, um,
• 1:21:42
  Speaker 1: but I've shot a lot of like a hundred and
• 1:21:44
  Speaker 1: ten inch deer, which I feel like it is a
• 1:21:46
  Speaker 1: hundred and sixty inch deer in Island. It's a different thing. Yeah,
• 1:21:50
  Speaker 1: I you know, somewhat figured something out. But yeah, I
• 1:21:54
  Speaker 1: don't know that. That made me kind of open my
• 1:21:55
  Speaker 1: eyes on that a little bit. UM. And then I
• 1:21:58
  Speaker 1: go to I've been to Louisiana at the past three years, UM,
• 1:22:02
  Speaker 1: and that's totally different hunting down there. It's a it's
• 1:22:05
  Speaker 1: a really awesome private chunk. It's like a hunt camp
• 1:22:10
  Speaker 1: essentially and a buddy through archery. Austin. He he invited
• 1:22:15
  Speaker 1: me down the past three years, and it's just like
• 1:22:18
  Speaker 1: it's just totally different the deer. Like you go hunting now,
• 1:22:22
  Speaker 1: like kind of like East coast West Virginia hunting, you know, Iowa, Michigan, Louisiana.
• 1:22:28
  Speaker 1: You learn a lot about deer just by doing that.
• 1:22:31
  Speaker 1: You know, the different types, the way they react to things.
• 1:22:34
  Speaker 1: You know, like Louisiana, we can drive a buggy, dump
• 1:22:37
  Speaker 1: a pile of corn, go back and there's deer on
• 1:22:39
  Speaker 1: it right away. If you did that in Michigan, if
• 1:22:42
  Speaker 1: you did that like any other place, you would never
• 1:22:44
  Speaker 1: kill a deer ever. You know. It's just like I
• 1:22:48
  Speaker 1: don't know, super eye opening, just the different types of
• 1:22:50
  Speaker 1: deer behaviors, how they do things. I don't know. So
• 1:22:55
  Speaker 1: what else is on the on the gauntlet for then?
• 1:22:58
  Speaker 1: Kansas miss again? Which other states? Um? You got to do?
• 1:23:05
  Speaker 1: Like the only reason why Western Tour worked is because
• 1:23:08
  Speaker 1: like I had somewhat of a game plan and deadlines
• 1:23:12
  Speaker 1: and strategy. So Kansas, UM, I'd like to make it
• 1:23:15
  Speaker 1: back to South Dakota, UM, Nebraska for sure, hunting with Tim.
• 1:23:19
  Speaker 1: Just like to go hang out with him, to hunt
• 1:23:21
  Speaker 1: of him. It's awesome. Um, Elk is probably gonna be
• 1:23:24
  Speaker 1: in Colorado. UM, I got some buddies out there that
• 1:23:28
  Speaker 1: I'll probably tag along with. UM. Other than that, it's
• 1:23:32
  Speaker 1: like the four for the four states, and then Michigan
• 1:23:35
  Speaker 1: for sure. UM, I might dabble with Indiana this year
• 1:23:39
  Speaker 1: because it's close and I probably sit down there a
• 1:23:42
  Speaker 1: couple of weekends try to figure something out. UM sleeper state.
• 1:23:46
  Speaker 1: It is a sleeper state, and uh, yeah, I don't know,
• 1:23:50
  Speaker 1: but yeah, I'm I'm I might add I probably will
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  Speaker 1: add one more. I'll go to Louisiana hopefully again this
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  Speaker 1: year for sure. UM that's always a grand slam at
• 1:23:58
  Speaker 1: the end because because there's so many deer and it's awesome.
• 1:24:02
  Speaker 1: Um we go in January or right at the beginning
• 1:24:05
  Speaker 1: of January end of December because that's when their rud is.
• 1:24:08
  Speaker 1: But yeah, I really want to hang around like that
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  Speaker 1: six six states this year, just so I can spend
• 1:24:12
  Speaker 1: more time, maybe multiple trips back, um, I don't know,
• 1:24:17
  Speaker 1: and then documenting that I'm not a cent sure how
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  Speaker 1: I'm going to do it this year if I want
• 1:24:21
  Speaker 1: to do it a day by day or a state
• 1:24:24
  Speaker 1: series or what um kind of depends on capacity, on
• 1:24:30
  Speaker 1: how fast we can get things turned around or whatnot.
• 1:24:32
  Speaker 1: That's no easy task, that's for sure. People want content yesterday,
• 1:24:36
  Speaker 1: they don't want it tomorrow. That's true. That's true. Um Man.
• 1:24:41
  Speaker 1: It sounds like a fun, fun schedule ahead of You
• 1:24:43
  Speaker 1: got a good year planned out. Um So with all
• 1:24:47
  Speaker 1: those hunts coming up, you've got pressure on you to
• 1:24:52
  Speaker 1: have successful hunts. You're you've got a lot of people
• 1:24:55
  Speaker 1: watching you now. You of course are doing things on
• 1:25:00
  Speaker 1: the tournament side as well. What I want to know
• 1:25:02
  Speaker 1: is we wrap this up, is what are you doing
• 1:25:05
  Speaker 1: right now from an archery side to make sure you're
• 1:25:08
  Speaker 1: ready for all that stuff later in the year. Because
• 1:25:10
  Speaker 1: because a lot of people are locked down right now,
• 1:25:12
  Speaker 1: we kind of kind of lead with us early on
• 1:25:13
  Speaker 1: and then I kind of forgot to dive into it.
• 1:25:15
  Speaker 1: There's a lot of people right now that probably have
• 1:25:17
  Speaker 1: a little more time on their hands at home to
• 1:25:19
  Speaker 1: be dialing in on the archery side, maybe earlier than
• 1:25:22
  Speaker 1: they usually do. What what are you doing and what
• 1:25:25
  Speaker 1: are some things that some other ideas for people to
• 1:25:29
  Speaker 1: really crank up their archery practice right now and do
• 1:25:32
  Speaker 1: it in an intentional, thoughtful quality way. Um, since there's
• 1:25:36
  Speaker 1: nothing better to do. Yeah, for real, right now? Is
• 1:25:40
  Speaker 1: it this springtime? I feel like for me, it's always
• 1:25:44
  Speaker 1: a good time to mess with the different equipment. Um,
• 1:25:47
  Speaker 1: if it's like equipment you already have, you're just gonna
• 1:25:49
  Speaker 1: tweak around, or you know, maybe getting like a different
• 1:25:52
  Speaker 1: set of arrows and messing around with that. Now it's
• 1:25:54
  Speaker 1: just a great time to mess with the equipment because
• 1:25:56
  Speaker 1: they're far away from season other other than Turkey season,
• 1:25:59
  Speaker 1: if you're gonna trying to shoot them with the bow,
• 1:26:01
  Speaker 1: but we're far enough away from season, or do you
• 1:26:03
  Speaker 1: feel like mess with stuff and tinker around, um, and
• 1:26:07
  Speaker 1: now it's a good time. Um. I normally get my bows,
• 1:26:10
  Speaker 1: my hunting bows, dialed in and set up now and
• 1:26:13
  Speaker 1: then I'll shoot them like all summer long and like
• 1:26:15
  Speaker 1: check up on them and make sure they're they're doing
• 1:26:17
  Speaker 1: good and everything. But get them set up now. And
• 1:26:20
  Speaker 1: I never like to rush. And I've been in so
• 1:26:23
  Speaker 1: many situations where I'm like, you know, the day before,
• 1:26:26
  Speaker 1: a week before, rushing to get something set up, and
• 1:26:29
  Speaker 1: then it's never it's never a so like past couple
• 1:26:33
  Speaker 1: of years. Um, my setups have been so dialed and
• 1:26:36
  Speaker 1: so perfect early and then they you know, and then
• 1:26:40
  Speaker 1: shoot with them, get familiar with them, and uh, you know,
• 1:26:43
  Speaker 1: by the time September rolls around, they're already ready to go,
• 1:26:47
  Speaker 1: you know. So yeah, now now it's a good time
• 1:26:49
  Speaker 1: to really mess with your bow and uh, you know,
• 1:26:54
  Speaker 1: like many of us right now and for the next
• 1:26:56
  Speaker 1: week or two or however long. I hopefully not too
• 1:26:59
  Speaker 1: much longer. We're stuck inside and many people can't shoot. Um,
• 1:27:03
  Speaker 1: but becoming familiar with your bow on like the technical
• 1:27:06
  Speaker 1: side of stuff if you can, and uh, and diving
• 1:27:08
  Speaker 1: into a lot of online content. You know. The most
• 1:27:12
  Speaker 1: important thing for me too is confidence. And when I
• 1:27:18
  Speaker 1: know my equipment, When I know, like I said earlier,
• 1:27:23
  Speaker 1: when I when I missed the deer or wounded deer
• 1:27:25
  Speaker 1: or whatever, as long as I know what happened and
• 1:27:29
  Speaker 1: I can fix it, you know, I'm in a better place.
• 1:27:31
  Speaker 1: And I know that a lot because I know my equipment,
• 1:27:34
  Speaker 1: I know my form. So it's like I was a
• 1:27:37
  Speaker 1: good time to study kind of you know, we're stuck inside.
• 1:27:39
  Speaker 1: It's understanding equipment, looking online, knowing how things work. You know,
• 1:27:44
  Speaker 1: there's so many good, so many good and bad resources online,
• 1:27:49
  Speaker 1: so definitely pick and choose and kind of filter things out.
• 1:27:52
  Speaker 1: But yeah, what are a few of your favorite resources
• 1:27:54
  Speaker 1: for for archery stuff? And then also you mentioned when
• 1:27:58
  Speaker 1: we were talking mindset early on you mentioned a book
• 1:28:01
  Speaker 1: something I can't remember who it was, some about winning.
• 1:28:03
  Speaker 1: Are there any other books or people on the mindset
• 1:28:05
  Speaker 1: side of things that would be interesting too? Yeah? So
• 1:28:08
  Speaker 1: a book, um that I mentioned is with Winning in
• 1:28:11
  Speaker 1: Mind by Lanny Bassom, and it's not archery specific. It's
• 1:28:15
  Speaker 1: actually more like rifle shooting specific, but he does talk
• 1:28:18
  Speaker 1: about archery a little bit, but it's all about mindset.
• 1:28:21
  Speaker 1: Like that's the entire book. Kind of boring if you
• 1:28:25
  Speaker 1: if you're not deep into that, but that's really good. Um.
• 1:28:30
  Speaker 1: George Ryles UM has a lot of good segments called
• 1:28:35
  Speaker 1: thing a week if you just literally type in a
• 1:28:38
  Speaker 1: YouTube thing a week. He has like tons of very
• 1:28:41
  Speaker 1: um in depth detailed videos on like one specific thing.
• 1:28:47
  Speaker 1: It's like you know, you're shooting hand or whatever. And
• 1:28:50
  Speaker 1: he's done that for years, so you can find some
• 1:28:53
  Speaker 1: really old ones. But George Ryles, he's my coach down Atlanta.
• 1:28:56
  Speaker 1: He's he's one so many things. He's like, he's like
• 1:29:00
  Speaker 1: the pro that was like the top of the line
• 1:29:02
  Speaker 1: pro like twenty years ago. So now all he does
• 1:29:06
  Speaker 1: is like coach. He still shoots. He actually made the
• 1:29:08
  Speaker 1: biggest shoot off like four years ago. Still. Um yeah,
• 1:29:12
  Speaker 1: super knowledgeable there, George Riles. You can find all this stuff. Um.
• 1:29:16
  Speaker 1: Joel Turner shot i Q for for anyone, bull hunters,
• 1:29:22
  Speaker 1: trad people. Um, even he he's big into oh yeah,
• 1:29:28
  Speaker 1: he's big into trapped but turnament shooters, anything for mindset,
• 1:29:31
  Speaker 1: even for shooting, but for mindset especially. Um, he's got
• 1:29:34
  Speaker 1: a ton of stuff. Dudley. Dudley's got some good stuff
• 1:29:37
  Speaker 1: of course. Um, but everyone pretty much knows that. Um yeah,
• 1:29:43
  Speaker 1: try to stay off archie talk. Don't give you started. Yeah,
• 1:29:49
  Speaker 1: they can get messy in there real quick. Yeah that's crazy.
• 1:29:52
  Speaker 1: Um okay. So then final thing for folks once they
• 1:29:57
  Speaker 1: do get outside and they're shooting, UM, few tips for
• 1:30:02
  Speaker 1: better practice, for for good quality practice. Um. And then
• 1:30:07
  Speaker 1: it's a two part I do this a lot as
• 1:30:09
  Speaker 1: I I asked a question and then I add all
• 1:30:11
  Speaker 1: these add on So so so sorry for that. Um, so
• 1:30:15
  Speaker 1: tips for better practice and then secondly, do you recommend
• 1:30:19
  Speaker 1: people practice differently as the season progresses as a year progress.
• 1:30:24
  Speaker 1: So so should we be practicing differently now than we
• 1:30:27
  Speaker 1: would be in August than we would be in October? Right?
• 1:30:30
  Speaker 1: I got you? So. Um, things you should focus on
• 1:30:34
  Speaker 1: when your practice is to set goals for yourself and
• 1:30:39
  Speaker 1: only compare against yourself at the distances you can shoot
• 1:30:43
  Speaker 1: and at the skill level you can shoot. Um. A
• 1:30:46
  Speaker 1: lot of people want to get messages all the time.
• 1:30:49
  Speaker 1: It's like, oh I wish I could shoot what you shoot,
• 1:30:51
  Speaker 1: or you know, I'm not shooting as good as you
• 1:30:53
  Speaker 1: or whatever. And now social media and everything, you know,
• 1:30:56
  Speaker 1: you can see all these people with their groups in
• 1:30:59
  Speaker 1: their schools and everything. So you should really only compare
• 1:31:03
  Speaker 1: against yourself and try to grow against yourself. Um, and
• 1:31:07
  Speaker 1: don't wear yourself out obviously, you know, take it baby
• 1:31:10
  Speaker 1: steps if you don't shoot a whole lot or anything. Um,
• 1:31:13
  Speaker 1: but I guess that's one tip for practicing, like just
• 1:31:16
  Speaker 1: in your backyard and stuff. Um, and then throughout the season. Um.
• 1:31:24
  Speaker 1: What I like to do is I do like to
• 1:31:25
  Speaker 1: stretch things out, and a lot of my videos I
• 1:31:28
  Speaker 1: shoot far, you know, like eighty yards, ninety yards, hundred yards.
• 1:31:31
  Speaker 1: And what that does is that really amplifies your mistakes,
• 1:31:36
  Speaker 1: you know. It Uh, it opens up your groups, allows
• 1:31:39
  Speaker 1: you to um try to tone in your groups that
• 1:31:43
  Speaker 1: farther because like for me, if I shoot twenty yards,
• 1:31:46
  Speaker 1: it's like sure, like I can really micro manage that in.
• 1:31:51
  Speaker 1: But when you back up farther, it just amplifies everything
• 1:31:55
  Speaker 1: so much for me. But that's not you know, those
• 1:31:59
  Speaker 1: far distances could do the same thing for someone at
• 1:32:02
  Speaker 1: forty yards. You know, if someone you know can do
• 1:32:06
  Speaker 1: a paper plate at forty yards and try to dial
• 1:32:09
  Speaker 1: that in, you know, I'm a paper plate at a hundred,
• 1:32:12
  Speaker 1: you know. So everyone has their own distance that they
• 1:32:15
  Speaker 1: really can max out and then zone in and then
• 1:32:18
  Speaker 1: maybe max out a little bit more and then zone in.
• 1:32:20
  Speaker 1: So it just makes you a better archer when you
• 1:32:22
  Speaker 1: back it up a little bit. If you're always just
• 1:32:24
  Speaker 1: shooting twenty yards like that's all you do, tony yards,
• 1:32:26
  Speaker 1: that's it. Sure you can get better and everything, but
• 1:32:30
  Speaker 1: unless you're scoring, or unless you're like really you know,
• 1:32:34
  Speaker 1: paying attention to how your group size and it isn't
• 1:32:37
  Speaker 1: everything can't really improve per se or see your improvements. Yeah,
• 1:32:43
  Speaker 1: so that's that's something I've seen too. What about one
• 1:32:46
  Speaker 1: way to get better at long distance shooting, because because
• 1:32:49
  Speaker 1: I've always tried to stretch it out more and more
• 1:32:51
  Speaker 1: and push myself. But then, like you just said, your
• 1:32:54
  Speaker 1: group's open up, every mistake gets amplified. Uh, anything we
• 1:32:59
  Speaker 1: can be we can be doing to get better at
• 1:33:02
  Speaker 1: those long shots other than just doing it a lot. Yeah,
• 1:33:05
  Speaker 1: well it's not just one thing. And like the long shot,
• 1:33:08
  Speaker 1: it's not getting good at the long shot, it's just
• 1:33:10
  Speaker 1: like getting good at your shot. So like a middle
• 1:33:14
  Speaker 1: at twenty yards, if it's like dead nuts at twenty,
• 1:33:17
  Speaker 1: it would have been dead nuts at a hundred, you know,
• 1:33:19
  Speaker 1: So it's like middle's middle. It's just you know, how
• 1:33:23
  Speaker 1: your shot is, so like really focusing on your form.
• 1:33:27
  Speaker 1: You know a lot of people worry so much about equipment, equipment, equipment, equipment.
• 1:33:31
  Speaker 1: You know, I gotta do this, I do that, I
• 1:33:33
  Speaker 1: do this, But then the forum's jack you know, so
• 1:33:36
  Speaker 1: if it's you know, there's so many things with form,
• 1:33:38
  Speaker 1: like I can't there's just not one thing you can
• 1:33:40
  Speaker 1: point to. But um, like I said earlier, like if
• 1:33:44
  Speaker 1: you really want to get better, you're struggling finding a coach,
• 1:33:47
  Speaker 1: finding a pro shop, videoing yourself, you know, like putting
• 1:33:51
  Speaker 1: your phone on a tripod, looking and then looking online
• 1:33:54
  Speaker 1: really analyzing it. Um. Yeah, form, form is so important.
• 1:33:59
  Speaker 1: Like if you did the same thing if your boat,
• 1:34:01
  Speaker 1: let's just say your bow is so untuned so jack,
• 1:34:04
  Speaker 1: your knock was sticking in the target, it was doing
• 1:34:06
  Speaker 1: a somersault. But it does that every single time. You know,
• 1:34:10
  Speaker 1: your boat does the same thing every single time, like
• 1:34:13
  Speaker 1: for real, it does so Like if your bow is
• 1:34:15
  Speaker 1: so jacked, but you did the same thing every time
• 1:34:18
  Speaker 1: and you shot every single time, you'd still shoot really good.
• 1:34:22
  Speaker 1: You know. There's so many times like there's a there's
• 1:34:25
  Speaker 1: there's a professionals that will like they tune their bow,
• 1:34:29
  Speaker 1: but then they like untune their bow to get optimum groupings.
• 1:34:34
  Speaker 1: Essentially it's for short term and uh yeah, it's it's
• 1:34:39
  Speaker 1: it's all about your form. It's all about consistency. You
• 1:34:42
  Speaker 1: can shoot, you can shoot anything. You can pick up
• 1:34:44
  Speaker 1: any bow, and as long as your form is good
• 1:34:47
  Speaker 1: and and everything, you can shoot good with it. So
• 1:34:50
  Speaker 1: I feel like that's so over especially in the world
• 1:34:53
  Speaker 1: of everyone's like foc and all this crazy stuff. It's like, okay,
• 1:34:58
  Speaker 1: calm down. The most important thing. Do you know how
• 1:35:00
  Speaker 1: to shoot? A bow. You know, it's easy to get
• 1:35:03
  Speaker 1: hung up on all the menut shaw I kind of
• 1:35:06
  Speaker 1: I'm not good at the menu show when it comes
• 1:35:09
  Speaker 1: to archery equipment and gear. So I've tended to to
• 1:35:13
  Speaker 1: focus on the side that I feel some sense of
• 1:35:16
  Speaker 1: confidence around, which is which is trying to figure out
• 1:35:18
  Speaker 1: good form and consistency and all that stuff. And then
• 1:35:21
  Speaker 1: I just like outsource those other equipment things to the
• 1:35:24
  Speaker 1: pro shop and say, hey, help me make sure this
• 1:35:26
  Speaker 1: stuff's lined up because I can't keep track of it all. Yeah,
• 1:35:30
  Speaker 1: So I don't know that's good stuff, man, Um, I
• 1:35:33
  Speaker 1: think you've got to You've got a cool thing going.
• 1:35:36
  Speaker 1: So I've I've enjoyed hearing more about it today, and
• 1:35:39
  Speaker 1: I think people people certainly will have to. So if
• 1:35:42
  Speaker 1: people want to see what's got going on, follow your
• 1:35:44
  Speaker 1: YouTube videos or you on social media. Where can they
• 1:35:47
  Speaker 1: find all this stuff? Yeah? So just in YouTube, just
• 1:35:50
  Speaker 1: search my name Chris b B just like the Bumblebee.
• 1:35:53
  Speaker 1: Gotta do it every single time. Or people are like, no,
• 1:35:56
  Speaker 1: what's your full name? But yeah, I'm YouTube and Instagram
• 1:36:00
  Speaker 1: is Chris be real? And uh yeah, follow along there
• 1:36:04
  Speaker 1: and what kind of stuff do they expect over on
• 1:36:06
  Speaker 1: YouTube here in the off season. So offseason, Um, I
• 1:36:10
  Speaker 1: just did a bunch of bow build videos, so I
• 1:36:12
  Speaker 1: like to start to finish on bow builds and people
• 1:36:15
  Speaker 1: really love those. Um A lot of shooting, a lot
• 1:36:18
  Speaker 1: of fun I love doing like uh, funny church shots,
• 1:36:22
  Speaker 1: long shots. So we do a lot of entertaining stuff
• 1:36:24
  Speaker 1: in the off season. Um. So yeah, we're I'm looking
• 1:36:28
  Speaker 1: forward to a little bit warmer temperatures so you can
• 1:36:30
  Speaker 1: do a lot a lot more cool stuff outside. Very cool. Well,
• 1:36:34
  Speaker 1: I'll make sure to send folks check all that out.
• 1:36:37
  Speaker 1: And I appreciate you taking the time talk about all
• 1:36:39
  Speaker 1: this stuff. Yeah, no problem, it was fun. I enjoy it.
• 1:36:43
  Speaker 1: To Chris, let's stay in touch and good luck. This
• 1:36:46
  Speaker 1: season sounds good. Thanks guys, and that is it for
• 1:36:50
  Speaker 1: us today. Thank you for listening. Make sure check out
• 1:36:53
  Speaker 1: all of Chris's stuff. Like I mentioned, it's good stuff,
• 1:36:56
  Speaker 1: it's fun, a lot of good information and hunts to
• 1:36:59
  Speaker 1: follow along with, so enjoy that stuff. Otherwise, just be
• 1:37:03
  Speaker 1: safe out there, folks. I just hope and pray that
• 1:37:06
  Speaker 1: everyone in our Wired Hungue community is healthy and safely
• 1:37:10
  Speaker 1: at home with your friends or your family, whoever you
• 1:37:12
  Speaker 1: live with, and that you're all doing well. Um, thinking
• 1:37:15
  Speaker 1: of all of you, and until next time, stay wired
• 1:37:20
  Speaker 1: to hunt.