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- 0:00Speaker 1: What's up, everyone, and welcome to another episode of the
- 0:02Epstein Chronicles. In this episode, we're going to take a
- 0:05look at Glanne Maxwell's response and opposition to the government's
- 0:10motion to unseal the grand jury transcripts case number one
- 0:16two zero dash cr DASH zero zero three three zero
- 0:20dash PAE United States of America. First Glenn Maxwell. Gleann
- 0:26Maxwell's response in opposition to government's motion to unseal grand
- 0:30jury transcripts introduction. Jeffrey Epstein is dead. Glenn Maxwell is not.
- 0:38Whatever interest the public may have in Epstein, that interests
- 0:41cannot justify a broad intrusion into grand jury secrecy. In
- 0:45a case where the defendant is alive, her legal options
- 0:48are viable and her due process rights remain. When Epstein died,
- 0:52prosecutors from the Southern District of New York pivoted and
- 0:56made Maxwell the face of his crimes. She became the
- 0:59scapegoat and the only person the government would put on trial.
- 1:03She was convicted in a media firestorm of false reporting
- 1:06and mischaracterizations of the evidence. Oh yeah, sue me, pretty simple,
- 1:11right to everybody that defamed you. She won't do that, though,
- 1:15because she knows that people are telling the truth about
- 1:17her Now, with their case pending before the Supreme Court,
- 1:20the government seeks to unseal untested hearsay leyden grand jury transcripts,
- 1:25which contain statements presented in secret and never challenged by
- 1:30the adversarial process. Maxwell has never been allowed to review
- 1:34those transcripts, even though the government did not oppose her
- 1:37request to do so. The government seeks to unseal the
- 1:41grand jury transcripts citing historical interest, without regard for how
- 1:45that release will affect Maxwell's privacy, interests, her appending petition,
- 1:49and any future litigation. The government's memorandum Docket seven ninety
- 1:54six cloaks itself in Craig, but that case emphasized that
- 1:58disclosure requires them most careful judgment and the public's curiosity
- 2:02in a defendant's secret conduct at a grand jury hearing
- 2:05cannot eclipse the right the defendant has to secrecy and
- 2:09overwhelm his objection to public discourse Second Circuit nineteen ninety seven.
- 2:15Because this is ongoing litigation in a criminal case involving
- 2:19a living defendant with existing legal remedies, the government's motion
- 2:23should be denied. The government fails to establish special circumstances
- 2:28warranting disclosure of grand jury materials in an ongoing case.
- 2:33Section two. There is a tradition in the United States
- 2:37that is older than the nation itself, that grand jury
- 2:41preceding shall remain secret. In Craig one thirty one ft
- 2:45three d At one oh one and one oh two,
- 2:48quoting Biagi, Second Circuit, nineteen seventy three, This tradition of
- 2:52secrecy is codified in Federal Rule of Criminal Procedures sixt e.
- 2:57The rule of secrecy is not without exceptions. However, the
- 3:00rule six e three lists several exceptions. The Second Circuit
- 3:05has additionally recognized that there are certain special circumstances in
- 3:09which release of grand jury records is appropriate, even outside
- 3:13the boundaries of Rule sixty three. Importantly, the discretion of
- 3:18a trial court in deciding whether to make public the
- 3:21ordinarily secret receedings of a grand jury investigation is one
- 3:25of the broadest and most sensitive exercises of careful judgment
- 3:28that a trial judge can make. In Craig involved a
- 3:33petition by a doctoral candidate to unseal the nearly fifty
- 3:37year old grand jury testimony of a high ranking government
- 3:40and employee Harry Dexter White based on historical interest in
- 3:44white suspected role as a communist spy. The Court in
- 3:48Craig denied the petition to unseal. On appeal, the Second
- 3:52Circuit affirmed the trial court's denial of the petition, finding
- 3:56that the court did not abuse its discretion when it
- 3:59found that sufficiently exceptional circumstances did not exist to warrant disclosure,
- 4:04and affirming the lower court's denial of the motion to unseal.
- 4:08The Second Circuit acknowledged historical interest as a potential basis
- 4:12for disclosure and offered a non exhaustive list of factors
- 4:15that a trial court might consider when confronted with ruling
- 4:19on a motion to unseal. Those factors include, but are
- 4:23not limited to, one the identity of the party seeking disclosure.
- 4:27Two whether the defendant to the grand jury preceding or
- 4:31the government opposes the disclosure. Three why disclosure is being
- 4:35sought in the particular case, for what specific information is
- 4:38being sought for disclosure? Five how long ago the grand
- 4:42jury proceedings took place, six, the current status of the
- 4:46principles of the grand jury proceedings and that of their families.
- 4:50Seven the extent to which the desired material, either permissibly
- 4:54or impermissibly has been previously made public. And eight whether
- 4:59witnesses to the grand jury proceeding who might be affected
- 5:02by disclosure are still alive, and nine the additional need
- 5:07for maintaining secrecy in their particular case in question. In Craig,
- 5:12the Court noted that all of the factors and their
- 5:15precise significance must be evaluated in the context of the
- 5:19specific case. The timing of the request to unseal is
- 5:23one of the most crucial elements to be considered by
- 5:26the District Court. Here, the grand jury convened just five
- 5:29years ago, not decades ago. This is not a case
- 5:32where the passage of time eroded many of the justifications
- 5:36for continued secrecy, nor is it a case where time
- 5:40has brought about the death of the principal parties involved
- 5:43in the investigations, as well as their immediate families. Epstein
- 5:48may be dead, but Maxwell is alive and litigating her case.
- 5:53Maxwell's petition for a writ is pending before the Supreme Court.
- 5:57She's preparing a habeas petition. Disc Losure of grand jury
- 6:00material at this stage risk irreparably tainting the legal process
- 6:05by injecting sealed testimony into the public debate while judicial
- 6:09review is ongoing. The reputational harm from releasing incomplete, potentially
- 6:15misleading grand jury testimony untested by cross examination would be
- 6:19severe and irrevocable. Those allegations, if released in raw, untested form,
- 6:25would inevitably influence any future legal proceeding should Maxwell succeed
- 6:30nor post conviction litigation. The government's proposal to redact victim
- 6:35identifying information does not mitigate this harm. The substance of
- 6:39the allegations, not the names, creates the prejudice public curiosity
- 6:44is insufficient when Maxwell's legal and reputational interests are at stake.
- 6:48These factors weigh heavily in favor of preserving the secrecy
- 6:52of the grand jury material. Although the government's memorandum sets
- 6:56forth that certain aspects and subject matters of the transcript
- 6:59became public during Maxwell's trial, Maxwell has never had an
- 7:03opportunity to review the entirety of the grand jury materials
- 7:07of her case. The government provided a list to the
- 7:11court under seal of witnesses whose accounts were conveyed in
- 7:15the grand jury, and a corresponding list noting which witnesses
- 7:18testified at trial. That list has not been disclosed to us.
- 7:23The government's memorandum, however, acknowledges that the law enforcement witnesses
- 7:27who testified before the grand jury are alive and remain
- 7:31active in the NYPD and FBI, respectively. The government's memorandum
- 7:37also disclosed that many of the complaining witnesses who formed
- 7:41the subject matter of the grand jury witness testimony are
- 7:44also alive. This factor, likewise, counsels against disclosure of the
- 7:48grand jury transcripts, given the need to protect both active
- 7:52law enforcement personnel and alleged victims. Three, there is no
- 7:57precedent supporting release of grand jury transcripts appending case like
- 8:01this one. Yeah, no precedent for your client get moved either,
- 8:04But here we are. None of the cases cited by
- 8:08the government justified disclosure here in National Security Archive involved
- 8:13a decade old grand jury proceeding against Julius and Ethel
- 8:17Rosenberg relating to charges of conspiracy to commit espionage by
- 8:21providing information about the atomic bomb to Soviet agents. In
- 8:26nineteen fifty one. The Rosenbergs were tried, convicted, and sentenced
- 8:30to death. They were executed in nineteen fifty three. In
- 8:34twenty fifteen, upon a motion by a nonprofit institution and others,
- 8:39Judge Hellerstein granted a petition to unseal the grand jury
- 8:43testimony of David Greenglass, ethel Rosenberg's brother. In granting the
- 8:48petition to unseal green glass grand jury testimony, the court
- 8:54observed that in the sixty five years that had passed
- 8:56since the Rosenberg trial, many believe that ethyl Rol Rosenberg
- 9:00was innocent and had been framed by green Glass. As
- 9:03a result, and only after green Glass had passed away,
- 9:07the Core concluded that green glass grand jury testimony should
- 9:10be released since it provided information in a case of
- 9:14historical interest to the public. It's noteworthy that Judge Hellerstein
- 9:18refused to unseal the transcript while green Glass was alive,
- 9:21finding that green glass interest and preserving the secrecy of
- 9:25his grand jury testimony was sufficient to prevent its unsealing
- 9:29during his life to despite the public interest in the case.
- 9:33Impetition of American Historical Association involved a similar request by
- 9:38historical associations in nineteen ninety eight to unseal transcripts of
- 9:42two special grand juries convened from forty seven to nineteen
- 9:46fifty pertaining to espionage investigation of Alger Hiss. Hiss, a
- 9:52former high ranking State Department official, was convicted of committing
- 9:56perjury and responding delegations that he was a Soviet spy.
- 10:00Hiss maintained his innocence until his death and publicly suggested
- 10:04that his prosecution was a political hit job by Richard
- 10:08Nixon to mobilize public opposition to Communism. In granting the
- 10:13request to unseal the fifty year old grand jury material,
- 10:17the court noted the significant passage a time, along with
- 10:20the fact that most of the relevant witnesses, including Hiss,
- 10:23had died. The court ultimately ruled that the great historical
- 10:28importance of the his case outweighed the minimal interest in
- 10:31preserving secrecy IDEA two ninety three. Disclosure is being sought
- 10:37in this case due to the immense public interest in
- 10:39Jeffrey Epstein and Glenn Maxwell's cases, along with public interest
- 10:44in the government's handling of those investigations and prosecutions. The
- 10:49public interest identified by the government, while understandable, is insufficient
- 10:54to warrant disclosure of grand jury materials at this time.
- 10:58The government frames this inst as historical, yet it is
- 11:02nothing more than widespread and intense public curiosity about an
- 11:06ongoing criminal case. Neither in petition for National Security Archive
- 11:12nor petition of American Historical Association support the conclusion that
- 11:17the Maxwell grand jury materials should be released. Each of
- 11:21those cases involved testimony debting back at least five decades,
- 11:25along with grand jury testimony relating to defendants and witnesses
- 11:29who were deceased. In Biagi is equally unavailing in Biagi
- 11:35for seventy eight, Second Circuit nineteen seventy three. That case
- 11:39involved the unsealing of grand jury testimony of a US Congressman,
- 11:43Mario Biagi, who had not been indicted and who had
- 11:46waived any protection to secrecy by seeking complete disclosure in
- 11:50the form of a motion requesting disclosure of his own
- 11:53testimony for its own sake. The government in Biagi moved
- 11:58to unsealed Biagi's grand jury testimony only after Biagi petitioned
- 12:02a three judge panel in the Southern District of New
- 12:04York to examine his grand jury testimony and publicly report
- 12:08whether he had invoked any constitutional privilege relating to his
- 12:12personal finances or assets. The Second Circuit affirm the District
- 12:17Court's order directing the public disclosure of Biaggi's testimony based
- 12:21solely on his waiver finding that, no matter how much
- 12:24or how legitimately the public may want to know whether
- 12:28a candidate for high public office has invoked a privilege
- 12:31against self incrimination before a grand jury, or has lied
- 12:36about having done so, that interest must generally yield to
- 12:39the larger one of preserving the salutary rule of law
- 12:43embodied in Rule sixty of Federal Rules a criminal procedure.
- 12:48But that is not this case. Maxwell, unlike Biagi, has
- 12:51preserved her right to grand jury secrecy and vigorously opposes
- 12:55disclosure of the grand jury material. Lastly, the Florida case
- 13:00the Government sites CIA Florida Holdings versus Dave Ahrenberg, has
- 13:05no presidential value in this jurisdiction and involved a civil
- 13:09suit under Florida public records, not federal grand jury materials
- 13:13protected under Rule sixty. See order granting plaintiff's motion for
- 13:18reconsideration of the trial courts, February twenty ninth, twenty twenty
- 13:22four Order CIA Florida Holdings, Dave Arenberg and Joseph Abruzzo,
- 13:27Fifteenth Circuit, July one, twenty twenty four. It is wholly
- 13:31in opposite. There is no precedent for unsealing grand jury
- 13:35transcripts in an ongoing matter like Maxwell's case. Accordingly, the
- 13:39government motion should be denied. Conclusion, the government's motion to
- 13:44unseal the grand jury materials in this matter should be denied.
- 13:48This was dated August fifth, twenty twenty five, and it
- 13:52was signed by David Oscar Marcus. All of the information
- 13:57that goes with this episode can be found in the
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