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The Fantastic Miss Piggy Podcast - Episode 2: How It Just Kind of Happened · Muppet Fan Podcasts with ToughPigs.com

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  I have many questions about Miss Piggy, but one that's been
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  occupying me lately is what was going on with the crew with the
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  USS Bonefish. I will explain.
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  In July 1977, there was a wire service article in newspapers
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  across the country declaring that AUS Navy submarine
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  stationed at Pearl Harbor had declared that their ideal woman
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  and official pin up girl was Miss Piggy.
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  Now this is summer of 1977 after the first season of The Muppet
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  Show had aired, so it was not super unusual to see people
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  going nuts over The Muppets. But the crew of this Navy
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  submarine went out of their way to specifically announced to
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  newspapers that they were no longer interested in Farrah
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  Fawcett Majors because now they were devoted to this pig puppet.
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  This is interesting to me because first season Miss Piggy
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  was not yet the glamorous superstar that she would become.
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  She only had one outfit that she wore all the time and the puppet
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  was about to get a very welcome redesign.
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  Also, she was created basically as an irritant who would
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  literally throw herself at Kermit and get in his way.
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  But the guys on the USS Bonefish, they sent her a
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  photograph of their submarine autographed by the entire crew
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  and Lieutenant Commander Jr. Mccleary invited Miss Piggy to
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  visit them in Hawaii, Although he did warn her about attending
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  any Luau's since they could be dangerous to her health.
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  And the weird thing is, I bet some of those guys were
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  straight. So today on the podcast we're
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  going to talk about first season Miss Piggy and we are going to
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  figure out what did they see in her.
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  I can't give you anything but love, baby.
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  That's the only thing I've plenty of, baby.
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  Kissy kissy and welcome to another episode of the fantastic
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  Miss Piggy Podcast. I'm Danny Horn and this podcast
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  chronicles my journey to learn everything there is to know
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  about that divine swine being comparable Miss Piggy.
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  We are talking about season one of The Muppet Show today and my
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  guest from moving right along The Muppet Movie Podcast is the
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  attractive and talented Anthony Strand.
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  Kissy Kissy Anthony. Welcome to the show.
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  Kissy kissy Danny I wanted. I wanted to think of another
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  thing like a like a Mercy Buku Danny or something.
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  But that would work. All I could think of was was Pee
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  Wee Herman saying Mercy Blade, and I wanted to say that
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  instead. Yeah, no, thanks for having me.
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  I'm. I'm excited.
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  Hi. Great.
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  I am delighted to have you here. Why don't you tell the nice
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  people about moving right along? Moving right along is a Muppet
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  Movie podcast brought to you by toughpigs.com.
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  Say just like this podcast and and this in our one It's myself
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  and Ryan Rowe, the co-owner current co-owner of the website.
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  We watch Muppet movies 2 minutes at a time, so each episode is 2
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  minutes in order, sequential order of a Muppet movie.
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  Well, not each episode is 2 minutes.
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  Each episode is. No.
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  In in each episode we cover 2 minutes, a 2 minute chunk of the
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  movie. Our episodes are typically much
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  longer, but we've done the 1st 4 movies, we've done Christmas
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  Carol, and now we'll do Muppet Treasure Island sometime in the
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  future. Yeah, it feels a little bit like
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  you're putting it off Muppet Treasure Island for some reason.
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  Well, I I we we can talk about this here.
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  I don't. I The thing is, I don't like the
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  movie very much at all. And Ryan likes it more than I.
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  But I don't know that it's like his favorite movie, though.
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  I don't know that he like, I know it's not his favorite
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  movie. Yeah, it's like a sixth favorite
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  Muppet movie or something. So I don't know that he's really
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  all that excited about being the guy who's like, actually, I
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  gotta, I gotta defend it, You know, like, I I think I'm much
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  more excited to be like, uh, sub par than Ryan.
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  Is to be like that puts him in the position of like, right?
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  Yeah, yeah, you're gonna have to.
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  You're gonna have to, like, dig into the metaphor of it.
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  Yeah, yeah. And the metaphor of it is, can
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  we do that again after Muppet Christmas Carol?
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  And it turned out it turned out they could not.
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  Yeah, no, not really. At least not that time.
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  That's the story of Muppet. Treasure Island is like we we
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  have a winning formula. And then it turned out that
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  formula won exactly once. Right.
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  Yeah. And it's and.
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  And so now it's just another Brian Brian Henson novelty
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  piece. Right, exactly.
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  But Miss Piggy doesn't show up for over an hour into that
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  thing, so let's not talk about that.
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  No. Well, that's when I'm coming.
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  I usually come on the show for the Miss Piggy parts and just
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  talk about how great Miss Piggy is.
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  So it's nice that this time I I got you to come on my show to
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  talk about how great Miss Piggy is.
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  I'm here for it. Now one thing I like to do is
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  start out the podcast by saying something nice about Miss Piggy,
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  which I think every podcast should do.
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  And you would be amazed by how many podcasts do not open that
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  way. Like This American Life is like
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  OK, before we get started though, let's say something nice
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  about Miss Piggy. So Anthony, I will ask you, what
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  is one of the ways that Miss Piggy has made your life better
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  and happier? One of my favorite things about
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  The Muppets is the way that in in songs, especially the way
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  Frank Oz will ad Lib. Just like silly lines off the
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  wall lines to entertain himself. And there is no better vehicle
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  for this than Miss Piggy. There are so many mediocre
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  Muppet projects from the 1990s where Frank Oz is playing Piggy
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  and clearly bored out of his gourd, and then he'll just yell
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  I'm going fruitcake or something that's, you know, that's
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  incurment on pig. And it makes me so happy that
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  that Piggy's ability to just like, 'cause chaos, even, even
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  when the project didn't want her to and didn't care.
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  Right, yes. Yeah.
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  You, you know that's. What she brings.
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  It's it's one of the things that kept The Muppets alive during
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  during like a dark era for them. They're like post gym, pre
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  Disney sale, you know, which is what we're in.
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  We're in on the podcast right now, so I'm hearing a lot of
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  that stuff. And man, every time Frank gets
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  to play Piggy, it's like The Muppets are back.
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  Something special, Yeah, that's a really good one.
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  We are going to talk about kind of how she happened as she
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  developed over the first season of The Muppet Show and I
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  preparing for this. I kind of realized what a smart
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  idea was for moving right along that you talk about two minutes
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  of the movie because this is a really big topic and there is so
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  much to talk about. So we're going to, we're going
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  to hit the highlights and see how this goes.
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  Now in 1980, I wanted to start out with just a little sound
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  clip on the Today Show when Frank Oz was asked if Miss Piggy
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  was based on anybody. Is there an amalgam of real
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  people in her, or is she absolutely fantasy?
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  Is there any Mae W for instance in?
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  No, no, I had. I didn't pattern her, pattern
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  her after anyone. It just came from my warped view
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  of women. It it it just, it just kind of
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  happened. So that's what we're doing
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  today. We are going to look at how it
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  just kind of happened. So let's start out with episode
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  one O 1 with Julia Perez episode.
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  This is the first episode of The Muppet Show, and it ends with
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  temptation as sung by the Muppet Glee Club, the bunch of frogs
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  and chickens and pigs who are part of the Glee club, including
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  this Piggy and Kermit's the conductor.
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  And they start out by singing different songs and Kermit says
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  it would be better if they were all singing the same song.
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  The chickens say wild and pig says the frog is the genius.
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  And then here's Miss Piggy's first line.
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  She kind of Mumbles to another pig.
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  He's awful cute too. And that is where that is how
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  Miss Piggy enters our lives. Which is such a it's such a
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  mission statement of a line, right.
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  It's like, I mean it's it's truly right up there with there
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  goes Charlie Brown, good old Charlie Brown, how I hate him
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  being being the first peanut strip.
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  Or it's just like from from minute one, it's clear what this
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  thing is going to be. Yeah.
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  And and that's going to be for the next 5 decades, that's going
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  to be the runner. Right.
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  And Kern calls for piggy honey. They they say that they want to
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  sing temptation, so they're all in.
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  Since there seems to be some consensus of opinion here, the
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  Muppet Glee Club will now render temptation Piggy honey, you can
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  take this all off. Yes, my love.
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  There we go. I know him.
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  And then she mutters to the to the pig next to her.
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  I love him. So Kermit calling her Piggy
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  Honey, he's just, like, being being a director, right?
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  He's he's just, he's trying to schmooze her.
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  He's trying to get a performance out of her, right?
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  Like he's he's, he's Warren William in 40 2nd St. or
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  something. He doesn't care about her.
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  I I I would say that's up for debate.
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  At this sketch, you think he's. Well, actually, actually, yes.
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  Like for this sketch, I would say yes, that's up for debate.
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  As of her very next appearance, absolutely not.
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  Sure, like Kermit. Can we talk about Kermit here
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  for a SEC? Let's He feels very Sesame
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  Street ish to me in this sketch. Like, he's trying to wrangle all
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  these all these silly creatures, you know, which is like not
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  silly creatures on Fraggle Rock, but like creatures who are being
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  silly. And he he's like talking down to
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  them. The same way he talks down to
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  Grover or Cookie Monster. You know, when they're when
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  they're presenting a body part or whatever, you know?
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  Yeah 'cause these animals are just being goofy and stupid.
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  Yeah, yeah, He doesn't feel like like backstage.
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  Overwhelmed. Kermit.
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  He's very like like teacherly we maybe, maybe we should all sing
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  the same song, you know, like he's very, very like trying to
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  like, speak calmly to to get what he wants.
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  Well, and he's like, and they never do this again on the show.
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  They never put they don't really put Kermit out on stage like
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  this with a group of people. Yeah, not unless he's singing.
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  Like if he's if he's performing the song, they'll do that, but.
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  Now I I I could say from like within the continuity that like
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  this sketch might be the reason why he doesn't do this anymore.
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  Because it goes poorly. It goes poorly for him.
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  Yeah, I just. Want to take a second to
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  acknowledge the costume because Piggy is wearing a special
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  costume just for the scene. I don't know if you clocked
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  that. It's not her typical silver
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  satin dress. Like everybody looks super
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  snazzy in this. All the frogs and the pigs are
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  wearing purple tuxedos. And the chickens and Piggy, they
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  have spangly dresses on. And so there's a couple chickens
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  in blue, and then Piggy is in kind of like a light maroon, and
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  she's got a flower and she's got, she's got bare arms in
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  this. This is one of the very few
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  times that she doesn't have gloves on.
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  So they start singing Temptation and Piggy takes the solo, and it
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  is Richard Hunt's voice. And that's so unsettling, like
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  and and even even some of the sketches that we watched for
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  this. We heard Richard Hunt a little
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  bit in some of those episodes. Yeah, you know, there's a
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  there's a panel discussion in Florence Henderson right, where
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  she's, she's Richard Hunt. But it's just so strange that
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  this is her big moment. This is piggy star making
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  moment. She's frank, to be clear for the
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  audience. She's Frank Oz when she's
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  talking. Yes, yeah, when she says I love
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  him. And yes, my love, that is Frank.
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  Oz, It's Frank. Yeah, yeah.
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  And then she starts singing and it's Richard Hunt.
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  It's this, it's this, you know, pretty close to Gladys the Cow.
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  Yeah, it's it's that kind of like, matronly voice.
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  Yeah. And it's like because I think I
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  I heard this before I ever saw it.
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  Like, I think my first experience with this was I I I
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  don't know if we want to shout out Scott by name, but.
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  Let's do it, yeah. All right, Our friend Scott 2020
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  plus years ago posted MP threes of every single song from The
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  Muppet Show season one on its website.
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  And so I hadn't seen most of those episodes, and certainly
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  this is from the first episodes. It was one of the first songs I
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  listened to and I don't think I knew it was Piggy singing until
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  you like you told me on the on the Tough Pigs forum, you know?
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  Yeah, and and you wouldn't know that just from listening to this
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  as the song, Yeah, because it does.
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  It sounds like Gladys the Cow from Sesame Street.
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  Right, right. So it's just like, oh, there's
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  there's Richard Hunt taking the solo.
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  Great. Always nice to hear Richard
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  right. So this is it's the curious case
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  of this piggy in the first season, where she gets passed
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  back and forth between Frank Oz and and Richard Hunt for most of
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  the first season. Right.
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  Which so does Mildred is, is Richard is.
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  Yeah. Well, 'cause like Frank plays
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  her during at the dance when she's dancing with George, it's
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  always great there. And like Aaron, Oscar plays her
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  sometimes, Richard plays her sometimes and and I think even
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  Louise Gold in season 2 once or twice and but she's she's like
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  treated like a character. You know, she like always has
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  that like upper crust Margaret DuMont voice who's ever playing
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  her. But they just kind of are like
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  whatever who's ever available. So I I don't know if it's just
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  that most of the performers were men.
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  So it's like, oh, the female characters can just.
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  Go anywhere. Can just be played by whoever I
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  I guess. Well, something that's funny is,
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  is that Richard. Like, I I understand that, you
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  know, she gets past back and forth a bit, but Richard plays
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  her for way longer than you'd expect.
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  He's still occasionally playing her.
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  It's up until 1/17 that he's still playing her like way after
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  we've already had like Miss Piggy focused episodes like some
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  of the ones that we're going to talk about.
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  Right. And so one thing that I think is
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  they may have just taped a whole bunch of sequences at once.
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  So like for at the dance, Richard Hunt plays Piggy for all
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  of the at the dance spots for the first half of the season and
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  then in 115 he switches to a different female pig and on and
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  vets hospital like Hunt and Oz kind of like share them for most
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  of the season it goes back and forth.
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  So like episode one O 5 is Hunt, episode one O 9 is Oz.
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  Because Richard isn't playing Janice yet.
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  Yeah, no. So he's like half of the time
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  he's playing Miss Piggy, Nurse Piggy in Vets Hospital and then
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  Hunt does Vets Hospital in 117 and then that's the the last
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  time in the season after that. She's entirely Frank Oz.
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  Yeah. So I bet they did shoot a bunch
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  of vets, hospitals in a row, right?
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  Like that would make sense. I would imagine that at the
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  dance at least, yeah. But yeah, Frank is Frank is
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  playing George and Mildred in most of those.
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  Yeah, that's true. So here she comes, singing
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  Temptation to Kermit and she's forcing her way through the
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  crowd. This is Piggy's great advantage
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  in the show. I think there's something
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  brilliant that is accidental here.
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  The thing that literally takes her out of the background chorus
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  is that she loves Kermit. Like having her fall in love
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  with Kermit is such a good idea because Kermit is the main
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  character. She could not have chosen a more
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  productive storyline to the extent that is the only enduring
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  storyline that The Muppets ever have.
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  I mean, I guess so storyline now that you say it, yeah, because
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  like, Fozzie is not funny. It's not a story.
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  It's not a storyline. Yeah, don't get chased by Doc
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  Hopper forever. Like Gonzo doesn't have a thing
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  with Camilla that like last as a story.
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  Right. It's just kind of in and out.
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  Every once in a while we'll see something about Godzilla and
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  Camilla. Or not, yeah.
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  But unrequited romance? It offers endless story
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  potential. Well, just I think you'll, I'm
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  sure you'll talk about this in later episodes, but like then it
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  all leads up to that period in the 80s where it kind of feels
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  like they're married like it does, it does feel like an arc
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  that like starts here and ends with I got you Marine, the Mink.
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  You know, say Manhattan or Oh yeah.
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  No, I I think it ends with family Christmas.
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  Where they where they essentially are a married couple
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  and Kermit spends the whole special like worrying that his
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  wife is going to show up so he can give her his Christmas
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  present. Like there's no no sense at all
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  of like the chase of of Piggy Go being after Kermit and him not
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  wanting. Like he just misses her and
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  wants her there from from from minute one in That special, you
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  know? No, I think you're totally right
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  that that that arc really, yeah, it does go until 1989 and then
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  in the 90s they just started mixing it up again.
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  Is there is there anything that you want to say about
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  temptation? One thing about temptation is I
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  this is this is online muppet fan stuff.
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  You can cut this if you want, but I remember, do you remember
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  this? Back in the old days, there was
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  like a rumor that the whole thing was ad libbed.
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  That is a thing, yeah. Yeah, people would say that
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  like, oh, Piggy was just supposed to be a a background
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  character, but then Frank Oz ad libbed the whole thing.
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  Which one? If it's not Frank, it's Richard.
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  And to like, no, That's what the whole sketch is about.
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  Yeah, it's clearly not the case, because there's no there's no
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  joke otherwise. Right.
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  Yeah. So people are silly I guess is
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  my is my thought. Well, I think people get it
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  mixed up with the other legend, which is the next thing we're
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  going to talk about in episode 104, the Ruth Buzzi episode.
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  Backstage plot for this episode is there's a mechanical wind up
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  TV show host that's just Kermit. It's just Kermit.
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  With a big wind up key in his back, which is super cute I
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  know. Late in the episode Piggy makes
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  her appearance the the the mechanical Kermit has been
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  causing some chaos backstage. She is waiting for Kermit
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  outside a dressing room door. He opens the door.
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  Oh, light of my life, front of my heart at last we are alone.
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  So this is now the first time that we see how Miss Piggy
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  actually speaks to Kermit, and it's like that.
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  It is very over at. It is like, it is absurd.
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  It's it feels very like 8th grade Renfair enthusiast Piggy.
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  You know, like. And then she does it when she's
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  alone as well. Because Kermit leaves, she goes
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  into the dressing room. The line that I wrote down in
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  the dressing room is, oh, wretched day for a pig in her
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  prime to be the scorned, which is like feels like Pogo or
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  something, you know it's some. Kind of melodrama.
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  Yeah, I guess so, yeah. That's how I'm thinking about
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  it, yeah. Or like a little bit of pesty
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  Shakespeare or something. Yeah, yeah, it it it doesn't
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  feel loose enough to be Piggy as we would come to know her.
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  Well, definitely not. Oh how I long to hear my love
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  whisper sweet passion. And she's doing this in private
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  like this isn't this isn't for sure.
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  She's really like this. So it's marking her out as this
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  extremely theatrical character who has like a melodrama that's
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  happening in her head. Yeah.
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  And so we hardly know anything about Miss Piggy at this point.
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  But but the one thing that we know is that she is fantasizing.
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  Like not just for Kermit's sake, but because this is what she
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  does. And The funny thing is, I don't
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  think there's anything, you know, you and I are both like,
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  what does this sound like? Like what is this?
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  And I think it's possible that that this is just a new thing
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  that happened in the world. I don't know.
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  I don't know if there was anything like this in history
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  before. Well, I mean, this is much
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  later, but like, did you watch Hey Arnold?
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  I did not. Probably too old for hey Arnold.
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  Yeah, you're like a decade older than me.
• 18:47
  Helga the character Helga Pataki, whose whole thing is
• 18:49
  that she's a bully, but she's in love with Arnold.
• 18:52
  Will do this as soon as she's alone.
• 18:53
  She's always like my sweet Arnold, the Prince of my heart.
• 18:58
  That foot, that football shaped head, fills me with delight or
• 19:02
  whatever. That's that's what this feels
• 19:04
  like to me. Yeah, like, like, so maybe she
• 19:07
  is just being season one episode 4 Miss Piggy for some reason.
• 19:10
  But it like suggests that it's like, just like you mentioned
• 19:14
  Shakespeare. It feels like theatrical
• 19:16
  longing, you know? And Piggy's in a theater.
• 19:20
  I mean, we don't know how long she's had this job, you know?
• 19:23
  I mean Piggy. Piggy.
• 19:25
  This job has made her more theatrical.
• 19:27
  Well, I think Piggy has such theater kid energy anyway.
• 19:30
  Yes, yeah. You know, and so like here where
• 19:33
  she's young, it makes total sense to me that she's just like
• 19:37
  writing. Poetic drama, kid.
• 19:40
  Lines for herself backstage. Yeah, you know, that checks out
• 19:43
  I think. Yeah, absolutely.
• 19:44
  She's rehearsing, always rehearsing.
• 19:47
  So Robot Kermit shows up and Robot Kermit is horny for Miss
• 19:51
  Piggy. Like, This is why a generative
• 19:53
  AI is a problem. Is this right here?
• 19:56
  Hey, listen, yo, hey, yo, how about you and me getting
• 19:59
  together and making some steam heat?
• 20:04
  Snuggle Bunny. Yeah, look, look, look, Let me
• 20:07
  take you away from all this. A marriage made in heaven.
• 20:11
  A frog and a pig. We could have bouncing baby
• 20:13
  figs. I I had forgotten that it was a
• 20:17
  robot Kermit who said bouncing baby figs, by the way.
• 20:20
  That that's the first time that that comes up.
• 20:22
  Yeah, that. That's where it comes.
• 20:23
  From It's the robot's idea, Yeah, yeah.
• 20:25
  And then he whispers sweet nothings into her ear, which
• 20:29
  apparently are really they are very much sweet somethings,
• 20:31
  because she gets offended by it. Yeah, she's like horrified.
• 20:34
  Yeah, I I honestly, I remembered the punchline of this scene as
• 20:38
  being that. Like she's enthralled and then
• 20:40
  the real Kermit shows up and and ruins it for her.
• 20:43
  But that's not what it is. Yeah, no, she's pissed off.
• 20:46
  She's horrified. But right.
• 20:48
  And this is the legendary karate chop.
• 20:50
  It was supposed to be a slap. And the story is that in
• 20:53
  rehearsal Frank Oz kind of for he, he has said basically like
• 20:58
  kind of for some reason and the and the some reason is because
• 21:01
  Frank Oz is always trying to plus his material.
• 21:03
  He turns it into a karate chop and it was hilarious.
• 21:07
  And so that's what they do on the show and she karate chops
• 21:09
  him to the ground and then she stamps on him several times.
• 21:13
  It is violent and it is very funny.
• 21:17
  Piggy piggy. Let me explain.
• 21:20
  Explain this. She hasn't found the low growl
• 21:30
  in her voice yet. She's still like always high
• 21:32
  falsetto. But the stamping, I think, is
• 21:34
  what makes her really like masculine and aggressive in
• 21:37
  this. This is something like, I want
• 21:39
  to talk a little bit about kind of like Battle of the Sexes
• 21:42
  comedy, because that's what this is.
• 21:44
  And I think people these days, this is the thing that is now
• 21:48
  happening on the Internet, that people are complaining about
• 21:52
  Miss Piggy, like the boy chasing.
• 21:54
  Like, it's not just saying that he's cute, Like, she comes for
• 21:56
  him, she like leaps on him, she pins him to the ground, he runs
• 22:00
  away and she chases him off stage like she does not leave
• 22:03
  the lizard alone. And so the reading of that has
• 22:07
  become kind of more complex in the modern world.
• 22:09
  But at the time, this was just like battle of the sexist
• 22:12
  comedy. So I'm wondering if you can, if
• 22:14
  you have thoughts on that? Sure.
• 22:16
  Well, you. I remember when you asked me to
• 22:18
  come on the show you they asked me to think of movie characters
• 22:24
  from like the 30s and 40s who feel like antecedents for Miss
• 22:27
  Piggy. Right.
• 22:29
  And the first thing that came to mind is Barbara Stanwyck and the
• 22:33
  Lady, the The President Sturgis movie, which I I know, I know
• 22:38
  you're a Sturgis fan as well. Maybe that's why it was the
• 22:40
  first one to come to mind. But she plays a con woman in the
• 22:43
  movie who is trying to win over this heir, this beer, beer ale,
• 22:50
  right? Isn't it Henry Fonda?
• 22:53
  Yeah, he's an heir to an ale fortune on this cruise ship.
• 22:57
  And she just keeps coming for him like he, Henry Fonda is such
• 23:02
  a like milquetoast, just like he's just like a befuddled every
• 23:07
  man he's. A real innocent he's Yeah, he's
• 23:10
  been up to Amazon looking for snakes for like 10 years and
• 23:13
  doesn't really know how to deal with women, right?
• 23:16
  And she just like keeps coming for him.
• 23:19
  There are like multiple scenes in that movie of her like on top
• 23:23
  of him and him not knowing what like physically on top of him
• 23:27
  and and him not knowing what to do, you know.
• 23:31
  And I want to Sorry to spoil an an 82 year old masterpiece.
• 23:36
  Everyone should see it like no. One watched the.
• 23:39
  Lady Eve Watch Lady Eve. It's Yeah, but like at one point
• 23:43
  she convinces him that she's not herself, but another lady who
• 23:47
  looks like her, basically so that she can seduce him again.
• 23:51
  Like. Basically like having him, him
• 23:55
  having escaped from her clutches.
• 23:57
  She's like, I need a new angle. I'm going to pretend that I'm
• 24:00
  not the same person so I can do it again, which feels like Piggy
• 24:04
  obviously didn't do that thing, but like, it feels very piggy.
• 24:07
  It feels very like, like like the pursuit cannot end because I
• 24:11
  have failed once, you know. Yeah, I need to.
• 24:14
  Come back and come back in a even more glamorous way.
• 24:17
  Which is right, exactly, yeah. Yeah.
• 24:20
  And, like, so that. That's one example.
• 24:22
  But there are a lot of romantic comedies from the 30s and 40s
• 24:26
  especially, that that are centered on, like, here's a
• 24:30
  brassy Dame and A and a befuddled man who doesn't know
• 24:34
  how to deal with this of this, like, rush of affection.
• 24:39
  And so that's what Kermit and Piggy are.
• 24:42
  That's exactly what Kermit and Piggy are.
• 24:45
  This. It's it's screwball comedy,
• 24:46
  basically. Yeah, it's it's exactly
• 24:48
  screwball comedy. And it's again, yeah, you're
• 24:51
  right. It's not a setup that really
• 24:53
  exists anymore. Like once once second wave
• 24:55
  feminism came in, we don't, you know what I mean?
• 24:58
  Like it's it's like a very like like pre women's Lib thing for
• 25:06
  like. Where the where the comedy comes
• 25:07
  from. Essentially this is a woman on
• 25:09
  top in this relationship. She's the the dominant force in
• 25:13
  the relationship and she and she stays there basically in in like
• 25:17
  30s and 40s screwball comedies. Like she stays there just by
• 25:19
  talking faster and way more. Right, exactly.
• 25:23
  If she's faster and funnier than the guy is, then then, you know,
• 25:26
  Katharine Hepburn is sort of like striding around in the
• 25:28
  world and and Cary Grant is sort of like a little puppy chasing
• 25:32
  at me. Like, wait, but what?
• 25:34
  What are you what are you doing to my life?
• 25:35
  Yeah. Right.
• 25:36
  Bring Bringing Up Baby, Of course, you just mentioned is
• 25:39
  another one that's like that. And actually, Speaking of
• 25:42
  Bringing Up Baby, five years before this started, What's Up
• 25:48
  Doc is basically a remake of Bringing Up Baby, where I think
• 25:53
  that's kind of the last time that that really happened, where
• 25:55
  where Ryan O'Neal is like a boring scientist who just wants
• 25:59
  to think about his rocks. And Barbara Stanwyck just kind
• 26:03
  of comes in like a whirlwind, talks about all the colleges she
• 26:06
  got kicked out of. You know, you know her like just
• 26:10
  kind of like he. There's a there's a scene in
• 26:12
  What's Up, Doc? We want to talk about Miss
• 26:14
  Piggy. There's a scene in What's Up,
• 26:17
  Doc? Where Ryan O'Neal wanders into
• 26:19
  an empty room in an unfinished skyscraper, sees a tarp over a
• 26:24
  piano, pulls it off. Barbra Streisand is laying on
• 26:29
  the piano and tells him to play as time goes by so she can sing
• 26:35
  it. And then she does.
• 26:38
  And then they're like she like rolls off of the piano onto him,
• 26:42
  talks about all the colleges she got kicked out of.
• 26:45
  She keeps talking until they kiss and you know that's that's
• 26:51
  not that far off. I haven't.
• 26:52
  Seen. Now I have to.
• 26:53
  I have to go see what's up You've.
• 26:54
  Never seen what's up, Doc? Oh man, you really got to see
• 26:58
  what's up, Doc. Like, yeah, apparently.
• 27:00
  That's that's that's just one delightful scene of many yeah.
• 27:03
  But anyways there are a lot of I mean I think when when we when
• 27:09
  you asked me to think about this like I know I talked about
• 27:12
  Carole Lombard and nothing sacred.
• 27:14
  Carole Lombard is another actress who who has real Miss
• 27:19
  Piggy energy. Like she always feels like she's
• 27:21
  in charge no matter what movie she's in.
• 27:24
  I I mean, something like to be or not to be isn't a very
• 27:28
  muppety set up. Obviously it's set during the
• 27:30
  Holocaust and it gets very serious, but it's still like
• 27:33
  Jack Benny's the husband and he's a goofball and Carole
• 27:37
  Lombard's in charge all the time, you know?
• 27:40
  Being in charge is is being in charge in these movies?
• 27:42
  Is it just the? Is it just verbally or is there
• 27:45
  also some physical? Well, nothing secret actually.
• 27:48
  Has the scene where she and Frederick March both punch each
• 27:51
  other out. Yes.
• 27:52
  Which feels feels like almost transgressive now.
• 27:56
  Like you wouldn't. Yeah, you can't imagine both.
• 27:59
  Or a back in. Comedy strike each other in the
• 28:00
  face. Right.
• 28:01
  It's like, it's like and it's and it's like a comedy scene.
• 28:04
  Yeah, Yeah. I mean, it's like, it's like
• 28:06
  funny face, mutual face punches to show that they're falling in
• 28:09
  love, you know, and and and I think that's why I thought of
• 28:13
  nothing sacred, because that feels like Piggy.
• 28:17
  Carole Lombard punching Frederick March in the face more
• 28:19
  than anything feels like Miss Piggy.
• 28:21
  You know, yeah. What?
• 28:24
  What else? Well, I I think I thought about
• 28:25
  the actress Glenda Farrell who played played the journalist
• 28:28
  torture. But did you ever get around to a
• 28:29
  Glenda Farrell movie? I.
• 28:30
  Saw. Yes, I saw some of those.
• 28:32
  Or I saw like some parts. I saw some scenes.
• 28:34
  Sure. And with her, what reminds me
• 28:37
  about Piggy of Glenda Farrell is that she's very glamorous.
• 28:40
  She's very beautiful. Yes, she is.
• 28:42
  She's a real cutie. I mean, I like, but she often
• 28:47
  has this, like, masculine edge to her where anytime she needs
• 28:51
  to take control, it's like her voice drops and she's just like,
• 28:54
  all right Buster, let's get to work, you know?
• 28:57
  Which feels very, very like Piggy to me.
• 29:00
  She's, and she's a she's Glenda Farrell.
• 29:03
  She plays Torchy Blaine. That was her series and.
• 29:06
  She was like a a gal reporter. Right.
• 29:09
  Which, which I want to say it was Jerry Siegel in 1988 during
• 29:14
  the the Superman 50th anniversary stuff like in an
• 29:17
  interview specifically cited Torchy Blaine as an inspiration
• 29:21
  for Lois Lane. Yes.
• 29:22
  That that's that's not just conjecture.
• 29:23
  It's like, you know, I was, I was, yeah, like we were, we we
• 29:27
  were watching these movies and and we liked the idea, you know,
• 29:31
  basically. So and there's and, you know,
• 29:33
  Lois Lane and Miss Piggy have some similarities as well, I
• 29:36
  think. So I think that there's just
• 29:38
  this big Stew of like strong willed female characters in the
• 29:46
  mid 20th century. Yeah, that that piggy grows out
• 29:49
  of. And I mean, I love all that
• 29:52
  stuff, you know, obviously, like, I'm sitting here citing
• 29:54
  plot details from multiple 30s and 40s comedies, but there's
• 29:58
  just something about that type of heroine, you know, as as just
• 30:04
  just maybe because it's not, it's not really a character type
• 30:07
  you can do anymore. I do think it's interesting that
• 30:10
  Piggy has kept it alive to some degree.
• 30:13
  Yeah, that she still is that like screwball comedy character.
• 30:16
  Yeah, and great. Muppet Caper is a screwball
• 30:18
  comedy movie 100%. That's actually.
• 30:21
  Yeah. And she's perfectly in that role
• 30:23
  of like the dominant woman and and it has like mistaken
• 30:26
  identity. And everyone is like hurrying to
• 30:29
  cover things up, like her climbing up the the the house on
• 30:33
  Highbrow St. and pretending that's her house.
• 30:36
  That's that's a screwball comedy moment.
• 30:37
  That's totally a Barbara Stanwyck move.
• 30:40
  Like, I think that's why Great Muppet Keeper is my favorite
• 30:43
  Muppet movie. Now, now that we're talking
• 30:44
  about it, like it feels like this era of film that I that I
• 30:48
  really love that we both. Yeah, that you and I can like
• 30:52
  we're going, we're going deep into screwball comedy and we're
• 30:54
  both just loving it so much. Exactly, exactly.
• 30:57
  I guess, I guess the the message for this part of the podcast is
• 31:00
  just for all the folks who have been like, wait, what is this?
• 31:04
  What's going on? Let's just tell them the movies
• 31:06
  that you got to see Bringing Up Baby, you got to see The Lady
• 31:08
  Eve, go and watch these movies. If you have not watched them,
• 31:10
  they are actually excellent. And and what's up doc for a
• 31:13
  newer 1. And what's up, Doc?
• 31:15
  And the Great Muppet Game. And the Great Muppet Keeper.
• 31:18
  If you're listening to this podcast and you haven't seen the
• 31:19
  Great Muppet Keeper, like I I know podcasts will say, like,
• 31:23
  stop right now and go do it. But come on.
• 31:26
  No, we don't watch the stop. Nobody, nobody, nobody stop
• 31:28
  right now. But when we're done, we'll be
• 31:30
  done at some point someday. Anthony, I have faith that
• 31:34
  someday you and I will be done with this conversation.
• 31:37
  I'm not sure when that's going to be.
• 31:40
  And then we can watch Great Muppet Keeper.
• 31:42
  So episode one O 6, the Jim Neighbors episode, maybe
• 31:45
  something extremely peculiar. The one thing that we know about
• 31:49
  Piggy from Like Temptation and from this karate chop scene, she
• 31:52
  is hopelessly in love with Kermit and so as soon as that's
• 31:56
  established they immediately complicate it by having her
• 31:59
  express love for somebody else. She just comes right out of the
• 32:02
  gate being surprising and multi dimensional.
• 32:06
  There is a talk spot with Kermit and Jim Neighbors where Jim says
• 32:10
  that as a country boy he likes being around all the chickens
• 32:13
  and the pigs, especially that Miss Piggy.
• 32:14
  I just love her and she immediately.
• 32:17
  That was my Jim Neighbors impressions.
• 32:18
  Pretty good. It was good.
• 32:19
  It was good. And she immediately dashes to
• 32:21
  his side. Right.
• 32:23
  Especially that Miss Piggy. I just love her.
• 32:25
  Oh, Piggy Billy, you called. My love Hey, Miss Piggy.
• 32:28
  And so now she is in love with James James for the first time.
• 32:34
  She gives a guest star a more formal version of his name and
• 32:38
  for the first time expresses passion for a guest star when
• 32:41
  the sketch continues like Jim does some loud opera singing
• 32:43
  which blows Kermit like right off his seat and and Piggy says
• 32:47
  well. He doesn't appreciate classical
• 32:50
  music dreams, but it drives me bananas.
• 32:59
  So I feel like this is this is pioneering new forms of personal
• 33:03
  expression and that is the thing that Miss Piggy does.
• 33:07
  Well, I like how Jim Nabors seems like so amused by all of
• 33:13
  this. Like, there's one line where she
• 33:16
  talks about being born at Becker's butcher shop and he
• 33:19
  just kind of goes bug eyed, you know, he's like startled.
• 33:23
  And it seems like it's because like he's just, it seems like he
• 33:27
  was thinking of her as a person. You know, like, like we we
• 33:30
  should probably know Jim Nabors, famously gay, came out of the
• 33:33
  closet decades later. Was was already with his future
• 33:38
  husband at this time. Oh, I didn't.
• 33:41
  Know that got married in 2013, but they they've been together
• 33:43
  since 1975. His his his husband Stan.
• 33:47
  So like, obviously Jim Nabors the real life guy isn't going to
• 33:51
  be like Miss Piggy. What an attractive woman.
• 33:53
  Or you know, or whatever. Sexually at least.
• 33:56
  But he seems so delighted to to be doing this sketch with this
• 34:01
  pig hitting on him. Well, like any gay man, would
• 34:04
  you have? Well, exactly like that's what
• 34:06
  I'm saying. Like this is the first one, This
• 34:08
  is the first time. That Miss Piggy makes first
• 34:11
  contact with the enemy, first contact with the gay man, and he
• 34:16
  is delighted with her. Yeah, as he as we all are.
• 34:21
  Oh, that's so funny. And I like that.
• 34:23
  Once again, Piggy is going for the highest status guy in the
• 34:27
  room, and that is going to be a pattern for her that it's
• 34:31
  Kermit. Like Kermit is the boss.
• 34:32
  But then whenever there's a guest star, a hot guest star,
• 34:35
  hot male guest star, I should say.
• 34:37
  Even if he's not hot, this is Jim Nabors now.
• 34:40
  Right. Like, not, not to knock him, but
• 34:42
  like he's going, no. You are you are right.
• 34:44
  No one thinks of him as as like a a hot man.
• 34:47
  I don't think he doesn't stand visibly.
• 34:49
  Yeah, he. Does episode 107 is the first?
• 34:54
  This is the Florence Henderson episode.
• 34:55
  This is the first episode that you might say is like, that's a
• 34:58
  Miss Piggy episode. Like she's got a backstage plot
• 35:01
  that lasts for most of the episode.
• 35:03
  Such as they were at that time. Like it's not, it's not the most
• 35:06
  plot heavy Muppet Show well and it's also like kind of a pig
• 35:10
  heavy episode in general. We have the we have the pig
• 35:16
  daredevils stacking up on. Yeah, you know, And there's just
• 35:19
  a lot of, like, pig, pig sketches, I feel like.
• 35:23
  So she comes up backstage. There's the pig.
• 35:26
  Acrobats have been have been on stage, and Kermit is yelling at
• 35:29
  them. Move.
• 35:29
  It move it. Get out of here.
• 35:31
  Out, out, out. Out.
• 35:32
  Out. You have such a masculine yell.
• 35:36
  Is. Is there anything at all,
• 35:37
  anything I could do for you, my dear?
• 35:40
  No. Because I want to make you
• 35:41
  happy. When you're happy, the pig is
• 35:45
  happy. Which I just love as a lion.
• 35:49
  Right. Well, and I love it, because
• 35:50
  what it also means is that she immediately aggressively attacks
• 35:55
  him with what I have written in my notes described as 1,000,000
• 35:59
  Kisses 'cause she's just all over him.
• 36:03
  Yeah, yeah, she is like, Yep, literally just leaps on top of
• 36:07
  him. And she makes snorting noises.
• 36:11
  She makes like pig noises, which you would never think of her
• 36:15
  doing that now, but like that actually comes up a few times
• 36:18
  that she makes like pig. Which, but it seems like it's
• 36:20
  only when she's like, real excited like.
• 36:23
  Oh yeah. No, that's her.
• 36:24
  That's her. We are getting into it.
• 36:26
  Yeah, we are getting into it. Noise for sure.
• 36:30
  So Kermit's kind of crushed. And that sketch or that, that
• 36:35
  scene, I should say, there's no real resolution to that.
• 36:38
  She just gets up and she says forgive me for being so forward,
• 36:42
  but I'm a liberated pig TA and this just goes away.
• 36:46
  The end of the scene and Kermit's just crushed.
• 36:49
  And then there's the talk spot. Kermit and Florence are flirting
• 36:53
  with each other because, again, this is just a thing that they
• 36:56
  do on The Muppet Show of just like The Muppets are horny like
• 37:00
  a lot of the time. All the time, yeah.
• 37:02
  And so here comes Piggy. Well, well, well.
• 37:07
  While the pig's away, the frog will play.
• 37:11
  Hi Peggy, Don't hide Piggy me, you frog stealer.
• 37:15
  Now they're kind of having a fight.
• 37:16
  Now she's picking a fight with Florence Henderson.
• 37:19
  The thing that's. She calls her.
• 37:20
  She calls her frog stealer Florence Henderson.
• 37:24
  To be clear, in case listeners don't know the mom from The
• 37:28
  Brady Bunch, a show that is over by this, like, this isn't like,
• 37:32
  this isn't young ingenue Florence Henderson.
• 37:34
  This is like, T mom TV mom Florence Henderson.
• 37:38
  What I like, though, is that one Florence makes a few jokes
• 37:42
  during this, you know, Piggy says I'm like, putty in your
• 37:46
  hands or whatever, right? And then Florence Henderson
• 37:49
  calls her a cement mixer. That's that's a song.
• 37:54
  That's a song. Oh, OK, I didn't know that.
• 37:56
  But either way, I like that Piggy glares at her just 'cause
• 38:00
  she can't stand another woman making jokes.
• 38:03
  Like in in front of the Frog, you know?
• 38:06
  But then Florence Henderson also kind of seems to be on Piggy's
• 38:10
  side, because when Piggy calls her a frog stealer, she, like,
• 38:14
  completely sells Kermit out. She's just like, it wasn't me.
• 38:19
  It was this guy, you know. Yeah, yeah, she's ready to have,
• 38:23
  like, a whole conversation about it.
• 38:24
  Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, she's yeah, she's she's
• 38:27
  there for it. Yeah, so Kermit has disappeared
• 38:29
  by this point. Piggy kind of rushes off to find
• 38:32
  her love, and Florence is laughing and and says that she's
• 38:36
  crazy. Kermit comes back up and she
• 38:38
  touches him on the arm and then Piggy runs in and says I told
• 38:43
  you not to touch him, and karate chops her.
• 38:46
  So that's this is the second karate chop, and it's a guest
• 38:48
  star. And then Piggy bites Florence on
• 38:51
  the arm. Her season piggy is an absolute
• 38:55
  lunatic. She is more dangerous than
• 38:58
  animal and Crazy Harry combined like she will do anything.
• 39:02
  I don't think there's another. There's another example of a
• 39:05
  Muppet, just like straight up biting a guest star because they
• 39:10
  get mad at him going backstage. She grabs him again.
• 39:15
  Oh karma. Every time you yell it sends a
• 39:18
  shudder through my body. I tremble with desire and
• 39:23
  uncontrollable passion. And just like basically just
• 39:27
  keeps doing melodrama, dialogue. Adam.
• 39:29
  Yeah, yeah, yeah, until he just he blows up.
• 39:32
  Now they they can't keep doing this, just having her jump on
• 39:36
  him. So they're gonna need to find
• 39:37
  more things for her to do. But we are 7 episodes into the
• 39:41
  show and they have at least they have figured this part out.
• 39:44
  Right. Charles Asnovor, Episode One O.
• 39:48
  9 Asnovor Yes, the French Frank Sinatra.
• 39:52
  Here he is. Yeah, in his talk spots, this is
• 39:54
  another miss Piggy goes in and messes with the guest star.
• 39:58
  Yep. And so this is a big moment,
• 39:59
  'cause this is this is the moment when Piggy learns about
• 40:03
  speaking French. Yeah, it's a brand new concept
• 40:06
  for. Yeah, Charles is talking to
• 40:08
  Kermit about speaking French and how romantic people find French.
• 40:11
  So romantic, Charles Azenboris like calls Miss Piggy over and
• 40:15
  Kermit says she she doesn't speak a word of French.
• 40:18
  And so. That's startling now, like,
• 40:21
  'cause she always kind of doesn't speak much French, but
• 40:24
  like, she loves to act as though she does.
• 40:27
  I believe that starts in the second season.
• 40:29
  This is the origin. This must be.
• 40:33
  Yes, Charles, hey. Listen, you really got to her.
• 40:49
  What did you say? Well, I I said your oil filter
• 40:51
  has a leak and your transmission is second.
• 40:55
  She is so into it. She gets real turned.
• 40:59
  On breathing so heavily. And she And in the end she jumps
• 41:04
  on him and she just kisses and kisses him.
• 41:06
  There's more oinking so. Million kisses.
• 41:08
  Yeah, he's. Still doing that?
• 41:09
  Yeah. A million kisses.
• 41:10
  And then she rushes off because she's just she has lost control
• 41:13
  of herself completely. Kermit tries to apologize, and
• 41:17
  Charles Adsenfor says sorry. I just met the girl of my dreams
• 41:20
  and then he kind of walks off looking for her.
• 41:24
  Yeah, and then then Now they're married still and.
• 41:27
  Now they're married. So here I think this sketch is
• 41:29
  important because here I think is the 1st place where the
• 41:33
  audience might start to get the message that maybe Piggy is
• 41:36
  fantastic rather than annoying. That like here's a here is a
• 41:41
  character that is interpreting this behavior in a more positive
• 41:44
  way. Which celebrities will do a lot?
• 41:48
  Oh yeah, so this is going to keep coming up.
• 41:50
  Yeah. And this the first time when
• 41:51
  she's really when she has made her first actual conquest.
• 41:55
  We all do. We want to say that she karate
• 41:56
  chops Kermit and calls him a barbarian at the end.
• 42:00
  Why don't you say that yes. 'Cause I like that that she he
• 42:03
  Kermit says one man's poison is another man's bacon To to
• 42:07
  Charles Asneworth, Piggy comes in karate chops and looks down
• 42:10
  at him and says Barbarian, which is, I think is such a funny
• 42:16
  moment, and also like she's the one who violently attacked him.
• 42:19
  You know, Yep. And it's so like, I don't know,
• 42:22
  It's good piggy material. It feels like they're really
• 42:25
  figuring her out here, you know, that like she can she can stomp
• 42:28
  Kermit to the ground and then call him a barbarian.
• 42:30
  And it makes total sense. And at the same time, she can
• 42:33
  seduce Charles Aznavour that she is just this this boiling pot of
• 42:38
  emotion, and that's something really different that she is
• 42:41
  bringing to The Muppet Show. I don't think any other
• 42:43
  character has feelings on that level.
• 42:48
  Gonzo, I guess, would be the other one.
• 42:50
  Gonzo really is. Is, yeah, Gonzo does.
• 42:52
  Involved with his. Feelings and all that, yeah, In
• 42:54
  this season. I think those are the two and
• 42:56
  they and they both turn into major characters.
• 42:59
  Neither of them are necessarily set up that way from the start
• 43:02
  that everybody thought that those two were going to be main
• 43:05
  characters. It was mostly, I think people
• 43:06
  knew like Kermit and Fosse, and I think that's something that
• 43:09
  actually that both Piggy and Gonzo do in the first season to
• 43:12
  kind of establish themselves is that they are, they become
• 43:14
  characters who have real feelings.
• 43:16
  So episode 111 with Lena Horne. This is the first time that
• 43:21
  she's expressing concern about her career where she asks Kermit
• 43:26
  why she's not doing her song tonight and Kermit's answer is.
• 43:30
  Well, Peggy, because Lena Horne is our guest this week.
• 43:33
  And how can I say this? There are singers and there are
• 43:36
  singers. You catch my drift?
• 43:40
  Oh, and and you don't want me to over shadow.
• 43:45
  It was hard. Of course you're right.
• 43:47
  What a considerate frog. She's excited about that, like
• 43:54
  she a little bit later on in the backstage sketch, she says.
• 43:56
  The consideration you've shown Lena Horne has only reinforced
• 44:00
  my undying love for you. Yeah.
• 44:03
  And then it turns into chaos and violence.
• 44:06
  Kermit talks to Scooter about it, and Kermit tells Scooter
• 44:09
  that sometimes in this business you have to be ruthless,
• 44:12
  merciless and cruel. He's teaching Scooter how to how
• 44:14
  to succeed in show business. What?
• 44:18
  Oh, I'm sorry. You see, I I've got to be
• 44:20
  ruthless, merciless and cruel. Cruel.
• 44:24
  I'll show you, cruel kid. Never told me about this part
• 44:30
  part. This cruel.
• 44:37
  And then Piggy attacks him. Yep, for stating Kermit's actual
• 44:41
  opinion, that's what I like. It's not even in his opinion
• 44:45
  that's true. It's just that like.
• 44:47
  Kermit is you are you are pissing me off.
• 44:50
  Kermit's a good producer, you know, Like, he knows how to talk
• 44:53
  to his his talent. He should not have been running
• 44:56
  his mouth like that with Scooter.
• 44:57
  That's the that's his big mistake.
• 45:00
  And then she does it again with Kermit.
• 45:02
  Where Piggy? Where Kermit?
• 45:03
  Says Piggy. Sometimes the truth hurts, she
• 45:05
  says hurt. I'll show you hurt.
• 45:08
  And then she karate chops in. So this is now.
• 45:10
  I feel like this is the episode that that really just makes the
• 45:13
  karate chop into a thing. Right.
• 45:16
  This we, I think we're expected to recognize it.
• 45:18
  Yeah, like. At this point you just you have
• 45:20
  to watch what you say and what you what you do with Miss Piggy
• 45:23
  or she'll cut you in half before this.
• 45:26
  Like I think that I that I think is interesting about about this
• 45:28
  episode is before this everything was about romance.
• 45:31
  Even when she karate chop Kermit before it was about romance
• 45:34
  where he's just insulted her. This is the first one that's a
• 45:38
  karate chop for business reasons.
• 45:40
  Right, you're right. So, so she is now becoming
• 45:42
  formidable, like she's becoming a a a dangerous presence in the
• 45:47
  show backstage. It's now not just it is now free
• 45:50
  floating aggression. It is not only about her romance
• 45:53
  with Kermit but now now she's becoming a terrifying force.
• 45:57
  And then there's there are three piggy songs right after that all
• 46:01
  in a bunch in the mid middle of the season.
• 46:03
  So in episode 112, she does auk spot where she sings another
• 46:07
  Somebody Done Somebody Wrong song And 1:13 with Bruce Forsyth
• 46:11
  she sings Let there Be Love. And then 1/15, she she finally
• 46:14
  gets her own opening number where she sings what now, My
• 46:17
  Love? And so it it feels like here
• 46:20
  they have, they have realized like, oh wait, Miss Piggy's a
• 46:22
  thing and she's supposed to be a singer.
• 46:25
  And we haven't actually had her sing anything yet.
• 46:28
  She's just been talking about it.
• 46:30
  Maybe let's give Piggy some song.
• 46:33
  Man, I feel like I asked you to. To watch the the Bruce Forsyth
• 46:36
  that won the The Let There Be Love.
• 46:39
  Right. So I mentioned at the top of
• 46:42
  this podcast that temptation was the thing that I heard before I
• 46:46
  saw. Right.
• 46:47
  And I don't think that's the case here.
• 46:49
  I mean, it must have been, I heard all those season one
• 46:50
  songs, but I didn't like, latch on to Bruce Forsyth and Piggy at
• 46:55
  that time, right? But when my wife Roz and I first
• 47:00
  started dating in 2009 I this is this is pretty late for this to
• 47:05
  happen. But it happened.
• 47:06
  I burned her a mixed CD 'cause we one of the first things we
• 47:10
  bonded over was The Muppets, right.
• 47:12
  And I burned her ACD of all Muppet love songs.
• 47:16
  So it's so it's your I mean it's never before never again and
• 47:19
  it's the first time it happens and and gonna always love you
• 47:21
  and all that kind of stuff. But also Let There Be Love by
• 47:25
  Piggy and Bruce Forsyth and Love in a laundromat by Gonzo and.
• 47:29
  Camilla. And like all this silly stuff
• 47:32
  I'd give my soul by Moki Fraggle right about Boguni.
• 47:36
  And no wonder she fell for you. It's that's right.
• 47:39
  That's right. That's.
• 47:40
  Beautiful and much like Piggy and Charles Asnovor, We are
• 47:43
  married still, so I've heard. Let there be love 'cause we'll
• 47:47
  put that on in the car sometimes on road trips, I've heard Let
• 47:50
  there be love so many more times than I've seen it, you know?
• 47:55
  And so watching it yesterday for this podcast, what struck me the
• 48:00
  most was I think of when Piggy goes love between Bruce and the
• 48:04
  pig. Love, love, love, love or
• 48:06
  whatever. Like, that feels so much like
• 48:09
  that thing she's gonna do later on The Muppet Show where she's,
• 48:11
  like furiously kissing Elton John's chest.
• 48:15
  Or like she and Kris Kristofferson look like they're
• 48:18
  about to go get a room in an episode with his wife as the
• 48:21
  other guest star, You know? Yeah.
• 48:25
  So in my mind, it's like piggy, like aggressively flirting with
• 48:28
  Bruce Forsyth, but it's not. They don't touch.
• 48:30
  They both are in stationary positions and they don't touch
• 48:33
  one another. So it's just like the the like
• 48:38
  memory of other later Piggy duets.
• 48:41
  Like, it's just like how I imagine this one being.
• 48:43
  Stitched. Well, this one it's, you know,
• 48:46
  they can't, she can't move towards him because for the
• 48:49
  first time she's actually. Sitting.
• 48:51
  She's. Sitting in a very in a very
• 48:52
  glamorous pose next to Bruce at the piano and showing her legs
• 48:56
  and her feet, which is amazing, and the guest star is singing a
• 48:59
  romantic song specifically for her.
• 49:01
  And it's, I mean it's Bruce Forsyth who we should, we should
• 49:06
  note maybe for listeners isn't really a singer.
• 49:09
  I mean he's ATV host. He's a, he's like ATV presenter
• 49:12
  in England. He's not he's not really a a
• 49:15
  singer. He's not really a comedian.
• 49:17
  But he did this, he did this very well, I feel.
• 49:19
  He. No, he does do this very well
• 49:21
  and I think he's very charming in the episode.
• 49:23
  But it's like it's not like this is like some heartthrob.
• 49:25
  This is this is Dick Clark, you know or something.
• 49:28
  This is British Dick Clark, essentially, you know.
• 49:30
  Yeah. And I think it's fascinating.
• 49:33
  But she is putting. Passion to it, yeah.
• 49:35
  Right. That that that's who it is.
• 49:36
  And she's still putting passion here and he seems like he's
• 49:38
  having a great time. Yeah, like, he seems like he's
• 49:40
  having fun. And so I think this is this is
• 49:42
  now a direct cue for the audience.
• 49:44
  I feel like now this is a statement that Miss Piggy is not
• 49:48
  a completely ridiculous character, and that seeing Miss
• 49:52
  Piggy as glamorous is more fun than not seeing her as
• 49:55
  glamorous, right? Sure, you can kind of.
• 49:57
  You can put her into this pose and people start buying into the
• 50:02
  fiction because this is funnier than the actual reality.
• 50:05
  You think this is the one that the the USS cuttlefish?
• 50:09
  What was it? The USS Bonefish.
• 50:12
  USS Bonefish, this, you think this is the one that they saw?
• 50:15
  They were like we got to. I yeah, I feel like this one.
• 50:18
  I feel like this is involved. If folks are not familiar with
• 50:21
  this sketch, go and look at episode 113.
• 50:23
  You will see exactly what As soon as you see it, you will You
• 50:26
  will say it yourself. This is this is worth getting a
• 50:29
  whole Navy submarine. Right.
• 50:33
  Well, and it's all You don't even have to look up the episode
• 50:34
  on Disney Plus. Like, you can Google Muppet
• 50:37
  Show, Let there Be Love and like the sketches on YouTube.
• 50:39
  Oh, that's true. You know you can just watch the
• 50:40
  sketch. I forget how the Internet works.
• 50:43
  Yeah, there's a lot of Muppet Show sketches on YouTube.
• 50:45
  Yeah, there really are now that you say that.
• 50:46
  Yeah. Yeah, it's not like the old
• 50:49
  days. It's not like the tape trading
• 50:50
  days then. Yeah, I know.
• 50:52
  We were just talking about like making Nick CDs.
• 50:53
  That kind of brought me back into the back of the past, back
• 50:56
  into the old days. So episode 116.
• 51:00
  This is it, Avery Schreiber. This is a big one, yeah.
• 51:03
  This is so, so I'm going to lay all my cards on the table.
• 51:05
  This is my favorite episode of season one.
• 51:07
  I've seen it, except for Vincent Price, which which we watch
• 51:10
  every year. This is the other season one
• 51:12
  episode I've seen the most times.
• 51:14
  I watch it all the time. I went on, I reviewed it for
• 51:17
  Tough Pigs, and I went on Muppet Turkey's episode about it.
• 51:20
  Because. I love so much.
• 51:22
  I just like, here's the thing, I don't know Avery Schreiber
• 51:25
  outside. Like, I know that Burns and
• 51:27
  Schreiber comedy team existed. I know Jack Burns was the head
• 51:30
  writer on season one, you know? But, like, I don't think I've
• 51:33
  ever seen Burns and Schreiber on stage together.
• 51:36
  I don't think I've never, like, looked up their clips.
• 51:37
  Yeah, I know I have not either. But I love him in this episode.
• 51:42
  Like he seems like he just he, to me, he's one of the 1st guest
• 51:45
  stars who like, really meshes perfectly with The Muppets
• 51:49
  comedy wise. Like he just he just gets it,
• 51:53
  you know, like every single thing he does in this episode,
• 51:57
  like works with The Muppets. There's not there's no, like,
• 52:01
  now we're gonna give Avery Schreiber's, you know, 'cause
• 52:03
  they'll do that, they'll be like, now here's the guest star,
• 52:06
  just like Steve Martin making blue animals or whatever, which
• 52:09
  is fine. I I I love Steve.
• 52:11
  Don't get me wrong, but. He's not.
• 52:14
  He's not doing Avery Schreiber material.
• 52:15
  He's doing Muppet material. He's doing Muppet material.
• 52:18
  Even when he does burns and Schreiber thing, it's with
• 52:20
  Fozzie, you know, like, and a big part of that is that he
• 52:26
  seems so delighted to be like bouncing off of Miss Piggy in
• 52:32
  the in the talk spot, you know? But, and he is supposed to be in
• 52:35
  on it, on this the the plot is that that she is pulling a trick
• 52:39
  on Kermit and Avery Sharver is part of that trick and he seems
• 52:42
  to be delighted to to be doing that.
• 52:44
  Yeah, he's into it for sure. So what's happened here is that
• 52:49
  when you first see backstage, Miss Piggy asks Scooter to help
• 52:52
  her out. This is kind of I what I see
• 52:54
  this as like the birth of the truck driver in Muppet guys
• 52:58
  talking in the in that documentary Frank has, he talks
• 53:00
  about Piggy and he says that when he did the karate chop,
• 53:04
  that kind of created Piggy for him.
• 53:06
  And he says because she's really a truck driver underneath.
• 53:10
  And this episode, I think, is where you really, for the first
• 53:12
  time like you see that truck driver emerge.
• 53:14
  Scooter. Scooter.
• 53:16
  Oh dear. Nephew of the feature owner.
• 53:19
  Well, yes, Miss Payne. Would you do Miss Piggy a favor?
• 53:23
  Sure, why not? Well, you may have noticed I
• 53:27
  have given my love to Kermit. He may also have noticed his
• 53:31
  reluctance in returning. Same.
• 53:33
  Oh. So you want me to get your love
• 53:35
  from Kermit and give it back to you?
• 53:37
  Oh, OK. Where?
• 53:38
  Where does he keep it? I'm using Little twit, isn't it?
• 53:45
  No bonehead. I want you to make him jealous.
• 53:49
  And that's kind of like the truck driver really coming out
• 53:51
  for the first time. So something that I think is
• 53:54
  amazing here is she started the season in that melodrama mode
• 53:59
  that we were talking about of like, Oh my life, my love frog
• 54:02
  of my arms. Oh, to see a pig scorned.
• 54:06
  Right. And now she's saying no bonehead
• 54:09
  in that with that kind of like masculine growl.
• 54:11
  This is a very different character from what she was just
• 54:15
  nine episodes ago, like the Florence Henderson when she was
• 54:19
  doing that stuff. That was that was 107.
• 54:20
  This is 116. This is a couple months later.
• 54:25
  And so then in the talk spot, Kermit's talking to Avery
• 54:27
  Shriver, and she comes in and basically does that melodrama
• 54:33
  kind of dialogue again, except this time it's an act.
• 54:39
  Oh please, please let me just stand here and gaze upon that
• 54:43
  adorable face. Well, there's no time for that,
• 54:46
  no matter how adorable you think my face is.
• 54:49
  Not your face out Toto his. And it's the kind of stuff that
• 54:57
  she would have said before, except now it's it's a gag.
• 55:01
  Now she's being sarcastic. Speaking of Avery, like, being
• 55:04
  into it after Kermit says that Piggy means his Avery's adorable
• 55:09
  face. Or, I mean Kermit says you.
• 55:11
  You mean my adorable face, right.
• 55:13
  That's what Kermit says. Avery does this, like, skeptical
• 55:16
  eyebrow, this, like just like, I, I, I, I don't think so.
• 55:20
  Frog, you know? And he's just like, he's so
• 55:25
  excited about playing along and like, I think is it Piggy and
• 55:29
  him both say, what's the matter in unison to Kermit?
• 55:32
  Yeah, that's great. It's so fun.
• 55:34
  Yeah, Avery says. He keeps kosher, so Bacon never
• 55:39
  touches these lips or whatever, and then she karate chops.
• 55:42
  Put your lips to this. That's so good.
• 55:45
  And there the truck driver lives.
• 55:47
  Fozzie Bear, stand by. You are jealous, aren't you?
• 55:51
  Fozzie stand by. No, I'm not Fozzie stand by.
• 55:57
  Well, Scooter told me it was all a trick.
• 56:00
  Scooter stand by. Nice punt.
• 56:07
  Who? Needs you?
• 56:11
  Flip her face. So this is now 3 karate chops in
• 56:18
  one episode. Yeah.
• 56:20
  Miss Pinky is now officially a terrifying force who is just
• 56:23
  occupying the Muppet Theatre. Yeah, that's true.
• 56:27
  She is now entirely in control of this place.
• 56:31
  So there's there's eight more episodes in the season after
• 56:34
  this, but this was the last clip you wanted me to watch.
• 56:37
  Yeah, I realized that actually. So there's I have something to
• 56:40
  say about the 124 as well. OK, which is Remind Me 120.
• 56:44
  Don't tell me, Don't tell me. All right, That's Mum and Shots,
• 56:48
  No? You are so right.
• 56:50
  Is it mum and shots? Yeah, stick to your guns.
• 56:53
  All right, cool. Yeah.
• 56:53
  Hey, that's Mum and shots I heard.
• 56:55
  You got it on the first one, yeah.
• 56:57
  This is the one where where Gonzo's in love with Piggy.
• 57:00
  Oh, sure, yeah. Yeah, and Piggy has nothing but
• 57:02
  withering scorn for him. And the thing that I think is
• 57:04
  amazing with this episode is Gonzo is doing exactly the same
• 57:08
  thing to Piggy that Piggy was doing to Kermit in the early
• 57:12
  episodes. Like he literally throws himself
• 57:15
  on top of her. Just like 3 she threw herself on
• 57:17
  Kermit. Hug me, Miss Piggy.
• 57:20
  Hold me. I will not hug you.
• 57:22
  You put Turkey. Hold my hand.
• 57:27
  Pick of my dreams. Will you be a twat?
• 57:32
  It is the exact same thing, and she despises it.
• 57:36
  Right, right. And she just cried chops.
• 57:38
  And this is exactly the opposite of what she was when she
• 57:42
  started. And that was only six months
• 57:45
  ago. This character has made it a
• 57:47
  complete 180° turn where now Gonzo is the effeminate lover.
• 57:52
  At one point he says kissy kissy to her and faced with her own
• 57:55
  behavior of just a few months ago, it turns Piggy into the
• 57:59
  truck driver and all she wants to do is yell and insult him and
• 58:03
  finally karate chop him. Yeah, also, though that weirdly,
• 58:07
  that is the basis for their entire relationship on Muppet
• 58:12
  Babies for some. Reason.
• 58:14
  That's right, the original Muppet Babies.
• 58:15
  Gonzo's always hitting on her. She's always like, get away from
• 58:18
  me, you weirdo, you creep. And it's like, why is this what
• 58:23
  the babies are doing on the baby show?
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  I don't know. Why is there this weird,
• 58:28
  uncomfortable love triangle? Take it up with Scott Shaw, I
• 58:32
  guess. So if you think back to
• 58:36
  temptation, where all all she says is like he's cute and yes,
• 58:41
  my love and everything for her is so is is feminine and
• 58:45
  melodramatic. There is so much development in
• 58:48
  Miss Piggy's character from the first episode to the last of the
• 58:52
  season. Yeah.
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  Where she still keeps that like over the top femininity that she
• 58:57
  had at the beginning of the season, but now it's a put on.
• 59:01
  You're right. Everything that she was in
• 59:04
  episode one O 1 is now sarcasm like she still loves Kermit.
• 59:08
  That's the thing that stays consistent is she still actually
• 59:11
  does want the same thing, but her approach is just completely
• 59:15
  different. And she's going to stay
• 59:17
  consistent from here on out and never change again.
• 59:19
  Yeah, her development is over. That's what I'm gathering from
• 59:22
  this. There's some more I.
• 59:24
  I'm kidding. I.
• 59:26
  Believe there's some more things that are going to come up in the
• 59:27
  future. I can't wait to hear what they
• 59:29
  are on your podcast because I've never seen The Muppets after
• 59:33
  after The Muppets episode for some reason.
• 59:36
  I'm just a die hard. There's more.
• 59:38
  Season one fan, yeah. There's got to be somebody who's
• 59:43
  like, they went downhill, they went completely downhill.
• 59:46
  You know, I bet there were people at the time.
• 59:47
  You know, when I, when it was the new show and this was like
• 59:51
  this like silly pun based at the dance show, you know was what I
• 59:55
  loved. I don't, you know?
• 59:56
  And then I don't care if they, if they develop and sing, if
• 1:00:00
  they want to sing Boy in the gallery, what do I care about
• 1:00:03
  that? You know, Are you going to do a
• 1:00:06
  whole episode about Piggy singing like boy in the gallery
• 1:00:11
  and all these like British Music Hall songs in season 2?
• 1:00:15
  Would you like to come back as a guest and we'll have an episode
• 1:00:18
  about that. Maybe you're right.
• 1:00:21
  You know who might is? Is Roz actually consider that
• 1:00:24
  stuff? Consider yourself booked.
• 1:00:27
  Well, Anthony, thank you. Thank you so much for joining me
• 1:00:30
  today. This has been really, really
• 1:00:31
  great. Thank you for having me, Danny.
• 1:00:34
  Where can people find you? They can find me.
• 1:00:37
  They can find my work at toughpigs.com, a website that
• 1:00:42
  you might have heard of before. And I don't write for the site
• 1:00:46
  as much as I used to. I don't write for the site
• 1:00:48
  hardly at all anymore, but. Now you're a podcaster.
• 1:00:51
  I'm a podcaster I Co host moving right along a Muppet Movie
• 1:00:54
  podcast practice by toughpigs.com which we discussed
• 1:00:57
  at the top of the show, but hopefully we'll have a new
• 1:00:59
  season out for Muppet Treasure Island sometime and you can
• 1:01:03
  listen to that. But in the meantime we have full
• 1:01:06
  seasons on The Muppet Movie, Great Muppet Keeper, Muppet
• 1:01:10
  State Manhattan, Muppet Christmas Carol, and special
• 1:01:13
  bonus season on Muppet Family Christmas.
• 1:01:16
  So. And you have to say, like your
• 1:01:18
  post, your post Christmas Carol season has been amazing.
• 1:01:23
  The specials we've done so far, I mean, yeah, like where where
• 1:01:26
  we had Robert Kraft on, I can't believe that.
• 1:01:28
  I know we're talking about like, Beach Party and talking about
• 1:01:30
  Kermit on Pig. They're some of my favorite
• 1:01:31
  episodes of the of the whole show.
• 1:01:33
  Thank you. So can I can I tell that story
• 1:01:36
  Is that is that OK to like plug here what that is do it.
• 1:01:39
  We we did an episode Ryan and I and our friend Becca who I
• 1:01:42
  future guest on this podcast. Be honest.
• 1:01:44
  But my my understanding we did an episode about Kermit Unpigged
• 1:01:50
  and the album from mid 90s And then the producer of that album,
• 1:01:55
  the head of Jim Henson records Robert Kraft found the podcast,
• 1:02:00
  listened to it and was so delighted that someone made a
• 1:02:05
  podcast about this. And it was actually a good
• 1:02:07
  conversation that he emailed us and said hey if you have
• 1:02:11
  questions I'd love to answer them.
• 1:02:13
  So he came on the show. Well, it turns out that after
• 1:02:15
  Jim Henson records, Robert Kraft was the head of music production
• 1:02:20
  for 20th Century Fox films for almost 20 years.
• 1:02:25
  So this is the guy who produced, like the Titanic soundtrack.
• 1:02:29
  Yeah, and and like once more with feeling from Buffy the
• 1:02:33
  Vampire Slayer, you know, and like all kinds of stuff.
• 1:02:37
  And he came on our show to talk about Muppet Beach Party.
• 1:02:42
  Like that's what a thrill. Like, genuinely, What an
• 1:02:44
  unexpected thrill it. Was so fantastic.
• 1:02:47
  And that is the kind of magic you get with moving right along.
• 1:02:50
  Well, thank you. I'm glad we've also had Danny
• 1:02:53
  on, boy. I don't.
• 1:02:56
  Know probably 15 times. I mean, you've been on every
• 1:02:58
  season at least a couple apps and you did 5 for for family
• 1:03:03
  Christmas, Christmas and you were in a few different bonus
• 1:03:06
  episodes. I mean, you've been on, you're
• 1:03:08
  one of our most frequent guests. I know I want to be in another
• 1:03:11
  bonus episode. I I get, it's I, you know, I get
• 1:03:14
  jealous every time you do a bonus episode.
• 1:03:15
  And I'm like, wait, I'm not on that one.
• 1:03:17
  What the hell is? That is that for real.
• 1:03:19
  No, I'm fine. All right, Well, next time
• 1:03:21
  coming up on this show got Jared Faircloth coming in.
• 1:03:24
  He's going to talk about Pigs in Space from Season 2, and that's
• 1:03:28
  going to be fantastic. So stay tuned for that kissy
• 1:03:31
  kissy. And thank you for listening to
• 1:03:33
  this episode of the Fantastic Miss Piggy Podcast, brought to
• 1:03:36
  you by toughpigs.com. If you have comments or
• 1:03:38
  questions or you know stuff about Miss Piggy that you'd like
• 1:03:41
  to share, you can write to me at fantasticmisspiggy@gmail.com.
• 1:03:45
  That's Fantastic Miss Piggy at Gmail.
• 1:03:48
  I'm also on X at Fantastic Miss P And I'm Blue Sky at Danny
• 1:03:52
  Horn. Or come and join us on The Tough
• 1:03:54
  Pigs Discord. Thanks everyone.
• 1:03:55
  I'll see you next time. Gee, I'd like to see you looking
• 1:04:01
  swell, baby. Diamond bracelets.
• 1:04:06
  Woolworth doesn't sell baby till that lucky day.
• 1:04:14
  You know that. Well, baby, I can't give you
• 1:04:21
  anything but love.