Latest / Dr Justin Coulson's Happy Families / #65 2 Year Olds and Bedtime
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- 0:01Speaker 1: This is the Happy Family's podcast with doctor Justin Coulson.
- 0:03Speaker 1: We are Luke and Suzie and this is the podcast
- 0:06Speaker 1: for time poor parents who just want answers now.
- 0:10Speaker 2: And let's ask a question.
- 0:11Speaker 3: Lake.
- 0:11Speaker 2: She said, my two year old is refusing to sleep
- 0:13Speaker 2: in his own bed. He insists on sleeping with me
- 0:15Speaker 2: and refuses to go to bed until I'm going to bed,
- 0:17Speaker 2: screams the house down. If I go to bed when
- 0:19Speaker 2: he's meant to be going, I get no downtime and
- 0:22Speaker 2: often fall asleep without getting the dishes done, et cetera.
- 0:25Speaker 2: Any suggestions on how to get him to love his
- 0:27Speaker 2: bed again?
- 0:28Speaker 1: Well, well, I like that question. It's a great love
- 0:32Speaker 1: his bed again. Whether or not we have an answer for.
- 0:33Speaker 2: You, Well, we've brought him the expert, Dr Justin Coulson,
- 0:36Speaker 2: parenting expert from Happy Families dot com dot au. How
- 0:39Speaker 2: do you get a two year old to love his
- 0:40Speaker 2: bed again?
- 0:41Speaker 3: That's a great question. I don't.
- 0:44Speaker 4: I mean, as an adult, I just don't relate. Right,
- 0:46Speaker 4: My bed is one of my fast things in the world.
- 0:49Speaker 1: One isn't four my bed my pillow Like. We went
- 0:54Speaker 1: on a holiday recently and we stayed in some wonderful
- 0:56Speaker 1: places could not wait to get to my bed with my.
- 1:00Speaker 3: Now, what is it with two year olds?
- 1:01Speaker 4: I don't have a specific answer how they can love
- 1:04Speaker 4: their bed again, but certainly I've got a few ideas
- 1:07Speaker 4: that can help us to calm our children and help
- 1:10Speaker 4: them to go to sleep well.
- 1:13Speaker 3: So let me go with a few of the obvious ones. First.
- 1:15Speaker 4: I'm sure that most parents have thought about this, but
- 1:18Speaker 4: it's worth highlighting them anyway. So the first thing we
- 1:21Speaker 4: need to consider is what we call sleep hygiene. What's
- 1:25Speaker 4: the room temperature? Is it too hot? Too cold? Is
- 1:28Speaker 4: our child going to be comfortable? Is the bed nice?
- 1:30Speaker 4: Is it dark enough?
- 1:31Speaker 3: Are they scared of the dark?
- 1:32Speaker 4: Do we need to have a tiny little lamp that's
- 1:34Speaker 4: plugged in somewhere. We want to look at how much
- 1:37Speaker 4: noise is happening. You know, they're big siblings that are
- 1:40Speaker 4: running up and down the corridor or playing Fortnite in
- 1:43Speaker 4: the lounge room and screaming at the screen.
- 1:45Speaker 3: Is it conducive to sleep?
- 1:49Speaker 4: If we've got all those things happening, then the next
- 1:52Speaker 4: thing I'd say is how much screen time is your
- 1:56Speaker 4: child getting? Because research tells us clearly increased screen time,
- 2:01Speaker 4: especially close to bedtime is associated with less sleep and
- 2:04Speaker 4: poorer quality sleep. The brain's so stimulated, so that leads
- 2:09Speaker 4: us to the next thing. Is there a nice routine?
- 2:12Speaker 4: Do we have a nice calming routine after dinner? Is
- 2:16Speaker 4: at bath time and could time and singing and stories
- 2:20Speaker 4: and all of those things that are calming and soothing
- 2:24Speaker 4: on a personal level in our home. We've just started
- 2:27Speaker 4: doing something kind of different and I feel a little
- 2:30Speaker 4: funny mentioning it, but let's do it anyway. We've just
- 2:34Speaker 4: had a friend who got us out of those essential
- 2:37Speaker 4: oils the thing at the moment, and they gave us
- 2:41Speaker 4: some oils and they said, try this on your kids.
- 2:43Speaker 4: And so we've been just getting the oil thing happening,
- 2:47Speaker 4: and our children have gone to sleep in about two
- 2:49Speaker 4: or three minutes. With one of the kids, we put
- 2:52Speaker 4: a little bit on their feet. With another one of
- 2:54Speaker 4: the kids, we've just got a diffuser in the room.
- 2:55Speaker 4: With another one, we just put it on their neck
- 2:57Speaker 4: or behind their ears or whatever. These oils are sending
- 3:01Speaker 4: our kids to sleep. It's beautiful and they it's like
- 3:04Speaker 4: the smell just calms them.
- 3:06Speaker 3: It's legal and it's legal.
- 3:08Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, these are these are these things I mean,
- 3:11Speaker 4: it's beautiful, and what type of.
- 3:12Speaker 1: Oil it is? Shopping shopping online now.
- 3:17Speaker 3: I would have to check with my wife to find out.
- 3:19Speaker 4: I know one of them loves this wild orange and
- 3:21Speaker 4: the other one loves lavender, so lavender oil and wild orange,
- 3:25Speaker 4: different kids have different responses. But there's something about the smell.
- 3:28Speaker 4: It's so soothing and it just calms them instantly, and
- 3:32Speaker 4: so we found that to be an extraordinarily.
- 3:35Speaker 3: Bathing just go to sleep forever. So I think that's it.
- 3:40Speaker 4: And the one other tip that I'd give is, you
- 3:42Speaker 4: know when you when you know you've got a headache,
- 3:44Speaker 4: and you put your thumb on one eyebrow and your
- 3:46Speaker 4: index finger on another one and you just kind of
- 3:49Speaker 4: rub across your forehead. Doing that with your kids, it
- 3:53Speaker 4: seems to actually calm them. You put your thumb on
- 3:55Speaker 4: one eyebrow one of your other fingers and you just
- 3:58Speaker 4: stretch your fingers out across their horrid of their eyebrows
- 4:01Speaker 4: and it's really calming. And again, I'd never read a
- 4:04Speaker 4: great scientific paper saying that oils or a forehead rub
- 4:09Speaker 4: will do it for you, But these are the sorts
- 4:11Speaker 4: of things that parents consistently say help.
- 4:13Speaker 1: But justin you might get them off to sleep so
- 4:15Speaker 1: beautifully well, and then you go to sleep and everything's
- 4:18Speaker 1: appropriate and rosy until about one o'clock in the morning
- 4:20Speaker 1: or midnight, or fifteen minutes after you go to bed,
- 4:24Speaker 1: ver it might be, and children of all ages coming
- 4:27Speaker 1: in because they want to sleep in the bed with mum,
- 4:29Speaker 1: with mum and dad, with whatever parent is there. And
- 4:32Speaker 1: for me that makes no difference. For sues, that means
- 4:36Speaker 1: she doesn't sleep a wink for the rest of the night,
- 4:38Speaker 1: whatever time that is.
- 4:39Speaker 4: Have you noticed that little kids just chase you around
- 4:42Speaker 4: the bed no matter how close to the edge you get,
- 4:45Speaker 4: they just keep following it.
- 4:48Speaker 1: I got an elbowed in the face on a king
- 4:50Speaker 1: sized bed with a seven year old and I was
- 4:53Speaker 1: on the edge.
- 4:54Speaker 3: Get out of bed, dad, go sleep in my bed.
- 4:57Speaker 4: It's one of those things where I mean, part of
- 4:59Speaker 4: me just oh, I mean, they're kids, and they want
- 5:02Speaker 4: to be close, and it's natural for them to want
- 5:04Speaker 4: to sleep with us. And you know, tribally, you know, evolutionary,
- 5:08Speaker 4: that's what they did. Families slept together, and so in
- 5:10Speaker 4: some ways we're kind of we're kind of fighting against
- 5:13Speaker 4: human nature by forcing them to sleep in their own bed,
- 5:17Speaker 4: on their own in a room five ten twenty thirty.
- 5:20Speaker 3: Meters away from ours. That's kind of hard for them.
- 5:23Speaker 4: I think we need to be as compassionate as we can.
- 5:27Speaker 4: Of course, it's hard to be compassionate at one am
- 5:29Speaker 4: when you've just been elbowed in the face by a
- 5:30Speaker 4: seven year old.
- 5:31Speaker 3: You kind of want to elbow them.
- 5:32Speaker 4: Back out of the bed. And so there's a couple
- 5:35Speaker 4: of things that I'd suggest. The first is this, we've
- 5:37Speaker 4: we've made a decision in our home that our children
- 5:40Speaker 4: were not allowed to date, that they won't be allowed
- 5:43Speaker 4: to date until they're sixteen and sleeping all night in
- 5:47Speaker 4: their own bed.
- 5:49Speaker 1: Ah. I'm just trying to picture twenty three year old
- 5:55Speaker 1: still not going out on dates going because I'm just
- 5:57Speaker 1: not willing to give up.
- 5:59Speaker 3: Well so far.
- 6:00Speaker 4: Can we explain that to them from the age of
- 6:01Speaker 4: about two and they all kind of figure it out
- 6:04Speaker 4: by the time they're five or six or seven, and
- 6:06Speaker 4: we're like, well you worked that out eight or nine
- 6:08Speaker 4: years early.
- 6:08Speaker 3: You're doing really well.
- 6:11Speaker 4: But on a more practical note, there's a handful of
- 6:14Speaker 4: things that you can do. The first is that you
- 6:17Speaker 4: can just get out of bed and go and get
- 6:18Speaker 4: into theirs, and with a couple of my kids who
- 6:21Speaker 4: were just awful in the nighttime, that's what I did
- 6:25Speaker 4: for a number of months. And let's face it, you know,
- 6:29Speaker 4: can I just be a little bit you know, adult
- 6:31Speaker 4: for a second. If you want to have some enjoyable
- 6:33Speaker 4: intimacy with one another, chances are that's done by one o'clock.
- 6:39Speaker 4: And at one o'clock in the morning, all you want
- 6:41Speaker 4: to do is sleep. You don't need to cuddle anymore.
- 6:43Speaker 4: You just want to sleep, So get out of bed
- 6:44Speaker 4: and go and get into theirs. If that's not suitable
- 6:47Speaker 4: for you, you could consider putting a mattress on the
- 6:50Speaker 4: floor in your room so that they can sleep in that,
- 6:52Speaker 4: or so that you can or you could just pick
- 6:57Speaker 4: them up and carry them back into their room and
- 6:59Speaker 4: lay on the floor law next to them and pat
- 7:01Speaker 4: them back off to sleep and get back into bed. Look,
- 7:03Speaker 4: there is no easy answer. Life sometimes is complicated, Life
- 7:07Speaker 4: sometimes is tiring. Life sometimes is messy, especially as a parent,
- 7:10Speaker 4: And this is one of those things where they will grow.
- 7:13Speaker 3: Out of it.
- 7:13Speaker 4: The more fuss you make over it, the more anxious
- 7:18Speaker 4: and insecure they'll feel, and the more you'll prolong it.
- 7:21Speaker 4: The more accepting you are, the more compassionate you are,
- 7:24Speaker 4: the more gentle and loving you are, the sooner they
- 7:27Speaker 4: will figure it out, the safer they'll feel, and you'll
- 7:30Speaker 4: sleep all night.
- 7:32Speaker 1: How you feel. So because it doesn't impact me, because
- 7:33Speaker 1: I sleep, I'm okay with that.
- 7:35Speaker 2: I'm fine with that.
- 7:36Speaker 1: Yeah, so what does that change what we do?
- 7:40Speaker 3: We do?
- 7:40Speaker 1: We do anything different now?
- 7:41Speaker 2: I don't think we need to do anything.
- 7:42Speaker 4: I just need to take the cues because otherwise Susan
- 7:44Speaker 4: is just going to start kicking you out of bed
- 7:47Speaker 4: even if you here's the problem. Though, even if you
- 7:49Speaker 4: do that, you'll still get chased around the bed. I've
- 7:52Speaker 4: got a whole king size bed and they want to
- 7:54Speaker 4: be right next to you on the edge.
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- 7:58Speaker 1: Thank you so much.
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