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Detroit Tigers Offseason Mailbag + More On Kenley Jansen · Tiger Territory: A Detroit Tigers Podcast

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  Speaker 1: And welcome into another episode of Tiger Territory, part of
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  Speaker 1: the Foul Territory Network, a Detroit Tigers podcast. I'm Kieren
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  Speaker 1: Steckley with me, as always a man who is old
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  Speaker 1: fashioned in some ways, no.
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  Speaker 2: Way sports the latest trends. He is Cody Stevenaggan.
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  Speaker 3: How you doing, Hey, I'm doing all right, Karen. We
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  Speaker 3: are here in the holidays season, but the action is
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  Speaker 3: not stopping. We heard from Scott Harris recently talking about
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  Speaker 3: the Kinley Jansen signing. I'd expect the Kyle Finnegan signing
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  Speaker 3: to be official sometime by the end of the week.
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  Speaker 3: I think we're gonna hear from Drew Anderson soon and
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  Speaker 3: Tigers might still have at least a little bit of
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  Speaker 3: work to do, so it never stops, that's for sure.
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  Speaker 1: Well, you know, not to you know, pat myself on
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  Speaker 1: the back, but you know, being an old fashion but
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  Speaker 1: also looking forward. That's kind of the Jansen signing in
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  Speaker 1: a nutshell from the Tigers perspective, because again, like the
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  Speaker 1: whole he's not really shy about being a closer type deal.
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  Speaker 1: That would be the old fashion element. But the Tigers,
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  Speaker 1: who consider themselves forward thinking, especially when it comes to
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  Speaker 1: their pitching decided to ink him and we got the
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  Speaker 1: details further on that contract. So it's a two year
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  Speaker 1: or it's a one year contract with a team option
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  Speaker 1: for a second year. The first year nine million, the
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  Speaker 1: second year twelve million. Now if they do not exercise
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  Speaker 1: the team option, then there's a two million dollar buyout.
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  Speaker 1: So essentially he is owed eleven million from the Tigers
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  Speaker 1: and it comes down to whether they want to pay
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  Speaker 1: an additional ten million next year for him to pitch
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  Speaker 1: on the team.
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  Speaker 2: So nice little contract for ken Leen like creative.
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  Speaker 1: I like it, and again a little bit outside the
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  Speaker 1: box for the Tigers, you know, you know, getting getting
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  Speaker 1: the getting that those terms agreed to. So so I
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  Speaker 1: guess we'll just start with the closer thing like this
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  Speaker 1: is this the Tigers closer? What's Scott Harris have to say?
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  Speaker 3: Great answer there. I don't know that's going to be
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  Speaker 3: for AJ to figure out. Scott Harris said, I'm just
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  Speaker 3: going to try to give him, him being AJ, as
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  Speaker 3: many options as possible and trust him to sort through
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  Speaker 3: it all in spring training. Scott went on to say,
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  Speaker 3: the one thing I can share is that before we
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  Speaker 3: signed Kinley, we connected him with AJ. So that they
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  Speaker 3: could have a conversation. From that conversation, we learned Kinley
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  Speaker 3: is all about winning. He's willing to pitch in any spot.
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  Speaker 3: He just wants to be in a winning environment, and
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  Speaker 3: he was really attracted to Detroit as a destination. So
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  Speaker 3: seams up in the air. I think if it's not
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  Speaker 3: a definite, yes we signed him to be the closer,
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  Speaker 3: it's going to be a little bit open ended. But
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  Speaker 3: like I said last time around, there must have been
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  Speaker 3: some assurance of, Hey, as long as you're good man,
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  Speaker 3: we're going to try to get you the twenty four
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  Speaker 3: saves you need to get to reach five hundred for
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  Speaker 3: your career. Now, going back through the aj Hinch era
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  Speaker 3: in Detroit, there have been three times in five years
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  Speaker 3: where someone has gotten more than twenty four saves. Gregor
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  Speaker 3: Risoto had thirty, Alex Lange had twenty six, Jason Foley
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  Speaker 3: had twenty eight, and will Vest had twenty three last year.
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  Speaker 3: So it's certainly not out of the realm of possibility.
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  Speaker 3: Kenley Jansen can get twenty four saves for the Tigers,
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  Speaker 3: But I think the big question is with will Vest
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  Speaker 3: also in this bullpen, with Kyle Finnegan also going to
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  Speaker 3: be in this bullpen. What does that distribution look like?
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  Speaker 3: Is he actually going to be the best ninth inning
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  Speaker 3: option giving you also have Will Vest now shout out
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  Speaker 3: to Fangrafts who wrote this, and I could certainly see it.
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  Speaker 3: There's a world where the Tigers right handed side of
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  Speaker 3: their bullpen functions pretty nice. If Finnigan is kind of
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  Speaker 3: that set up guy seventh inning, maybe eighth, and Vest
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  Speaker 3: is a little more versatile, like a fireman, a stopper.
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  Speaker 3: Maybe sometimes he's pitching the eighth, sometimes the ninth. Sometimes
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  Speaker 3: he's coming in with guys on base. He's a little
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  Speaker 3: more of a flex stopper role. And then most of
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  Speaker 3: the time Jansen's the guy taking the ball in the ninth.
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  Speaker 3: That could allow for Vest to still be the guy
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  Speaker 3: getting the ball in the game's biggest situation, a decent
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  Speaker 3: trunk at the time, even if it's Jansen who comes
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  Speaker 3: away with the S or the SV next to his
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  Speaker 3: name at the end of the day. If Jansen's at
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  Speaker 3: all good, which we'll talk about that and the metrics
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  Speaker 3: a little more here in just a second, that would
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  Speaker 3: not be a bad functioning bullpen at all. That'd be
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  Speaker 3: a pretty nice little trio maybe to get the last
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  Speaker 3: nine outs against right handed orders.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, And like I said, we'll get to the metrics
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  Speaker 1: here in a second. But you know, it's it's funny,
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  Speaker 1: you know, laying out those some of those save leaders
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  Speaker 1: that have had the higher you know amounts accounting numbers
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  Speaker 1: in the AJ era obviously reputationally and and trustworthiness like
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  Speaker 1: Soto laying fully to a certain extent, like they don't
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  Speaker 1: compare obviously to somebody who's on the cusp of five
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  Speaker 1: hundred saves, right, and so like they that that like
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  Speaker 1: this might be in a way kind of like a
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  Speaker 1: new toy, like a new toy for AJ and and
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  Speaker 1: Chris Feder and company to kind of have that in
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  Speaker 1: the back of you know, you know, like that card
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  Speaker 1: to play that they haven't always had. And and maybe
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  Speaker 1: it makes you It can you can become a little
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  Speaker 1: bit more rigid while also having more flexibility around that
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  Speaker 1: more rigidness, which is Canley kind of getting the last
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  Speaker 1: guy to get the ball. And and also I'm one
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  Speaker 1: of the things I'm curious about is how are they
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  Speaker 1: gonna be able to kind of keep these guys fresh
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  Speaker 1: like it and and kind of engaged given that they
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  Speaker 1: all are.
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  Speaker 2: Kind of back.
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  Speaker 1: You know, you're not always gonna have stressful late ending.
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  Speaker 1: Sometimes it's good reasons, sometimes it's bad reasons. And so
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  Speaker 1: we we know how we know how Vest is in
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  Speaker 1: those in those kind of like non leverage situations and
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  Speaker 1: all that stuff.
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  Speaker 2: So, uh that that's.
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  Speaker 1: Gonna be something that's gonna be very curious to follow
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  Speaker 1: as the season goes on.
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  Speaker 3: And that's something that Scott mentioned to you know, they
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  Speaker 3: can use these guys differently within the same series to
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  Speaker 3: prevent opposing batters maybe from seeing the same back end
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  Speaker 3: reliever two or three times over the course of the series.
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  Speaker 3: Maybe you just you know, switch up the order. Now,
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  Speaker 3: that can depend on matchups. As I've mentioned, Jansen has
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  Speaker 3: a way different look. He's eighty percent cutter, a little
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  Speaker 3: more east west than these other guys. There are gonna
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  Speaker 3: be certain batters he just matches up best against, But
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  Speaker 3: there also might be certain situations where you can have
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  Speaker 3: Vest against one pocket a hitters one day and Jansen
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  Speaker 3: against that same pocket the next just as a way
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  Speaker 3: of keeping your relievers fresh, keeping your looks fresh and different.
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  Speaker 3: That could certainly work to the Tigers advantage. Now, this
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  Speaker 3: is all with the caveat that everyone's healthy and everyone's performing,
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  Speaker 3: and it never really works that way with major league bullpens.
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  Speaker 3: But on paper, despite all the concerns against Jansen, I
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  Speaker 3: think you feel better with him on this roster than
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  Speaker 3: you would if he were off of it and some
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  Speaker 3: minor league signing took his play. Now might you feel
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  Speaker 3: better with Edwin Diaz or Devin Williams or maybe even
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  Speaker 3: Ryan Helsley, Sure, but for where they were, for where
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  Speaker 3: the market is right now, I get the idea behind
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  Speaker 3: it at the very.
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  Speaker 1: Least, well the idea also. Cody is something that I
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  Speaker 1: mentioned and then Scott Harris opined on today, and that's experience,
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  Speaker 1: and I was just kind of verifying what I thought
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  Speaker 1: here with the stats. How do you like in twenty
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  Speaker 1: one career postseason series? How do you like a two
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  Speaker 1: point two e R that's CML right to you with
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  Speaker 1: with twenty saves And that includes the twenty twenty World
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  Speaker 1: Series championship with the Dodgers. So again, if there were
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  Speaker 1: other there are, and we're going to get to some
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  Speaker 1: of these. There are concerns about how the Tigers are
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  Speaker 1: approaching the twenty twenty sixth season in regards to like,
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  Speaker 1: are they approaching it as a team that is been
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  Speaker 1: in the final four or not the final four, but
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  Speaker 1: the second round back to back years and uh and
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  Speaker 1: like you know, you're trying to kind of break through
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  Speaker 1: that ceiling a little bit. This is a move that,
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  Speaker 1: like we would like, out outside of the Tigers sphere,
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  Speaker 1: you would interpret as this is them trying to kind
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  Speaker 1: of break the glass ceiling. They're they're solidifying their bull
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  Speaker 1: playing with a guy who's been there, done that, and
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  Speaker 1: uh and you know it was gonna make them even
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  Speaker 1: more dangerous in the postseason. That's how That's how I
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  Speaker 1: would look at it if I was outside the Tiger sphere.
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  Speaker 1: But Scott Harris I guess agrees with that too.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah. I mean, this is what's so interesting about this signing.
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  Speaker 3: Almost every picture the Tigers have skyn and the Scott
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  Speaker 3: Harris era. We sit down with Scott and he lays
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  Speaker 3: out a bunch of metrics kind of to convince us
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  Speaker 3: that this picture is better than what his actual recent
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  Speaker 3: performance has been. And this one's the opposite. This is
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  Speaker 3: a yeah, I know all the metrics say this, but
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  Speaker 3: we think Kenley Jansen can still be very good. We
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  Speaker 3: talked about some of this last time. But Jansen's coming
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  Speaker 3: off a seat in which he had career worsts and
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  Speaker 3: with rate in k percentage and average exit velocity against
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  Speaker 3: and expected era, the highest fly ball percentage of his career,
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  Speaker 3: the second worst barrel rate of his career, the babbit
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  Speaker 3: against him was one ninety five, which is incredibly low
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  Speaker 3: lows of his career, and he stranded the third highest
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  Speaker 3: percentage of runners in his career. That's a bunch of
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  Speaker 3: stats that'll tell you is reasonable to predict. Kin Lee
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  Speaker 3: Jansen gives up some hard contact and in surrenders more
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  Speaker 3: hits and more runs than he actually did in terms
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  Speaker 3: of real results. A year ago he didn't allow as
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  Speaker 3: many hits and runs as he should have, and this year,
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  Speaker 3: pinning some change, he might be due to allow a
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  Speaker 3: lot more hits and a lot more runs, which would
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  Speaker 3: be a problem for the Tigers. Asked kind of about
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  Speaker 3: this idea, Scott Harris pointed to another metric. He pointed
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  Speaker 3: to Kinley Jansen's end zone with rate. He said that,
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  Speaker 3: let me just pull up the quote all right, Struggling
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  Speaker 3: to find it. He said, he's gonna miss plenty of
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  Speaker 3: bats for us. He went on to say he missed
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  Speaker 3: more bats in the zone last year than he has
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  Speaker 3: since twenty twenty one. Now, I don't want to be
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  Speaker 3: too mean to Scott, but at least per stat cast,
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  Speaker 3: that is not true. Kenley Jansen in the zone had
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  Speaker 3: a twenty two percent with rate. If you're watching on YouTube,
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  Speaker 3: that's on the right hand column. He missed more bats
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  Speaker 3: in zone in both twenty twenty one, twenty twenty two,
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  Speaker 3: and twenty twenty three, so he improved it over twenty
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  Speaker 3: twenty four. But it was his third best since twenty
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  Speaker 3: twenty one. It wasn't like it was some remarkable improvement.
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  Speaker 3: Scott Ayris also mentioned the June twenty fourth date a lot.
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  Speaker 3: Now Jansen had like a one point one to one
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  Speaker 3: ERA from June twenty fourth to one. He was on
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  Speaker 3: the surface really good, and he pointed to his cutter,
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  Speaker 3: particularly its performance in the zone. This is what that
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  Speaker 3: pitch did just by month last year. You can see
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  Speaker 3: it ticks up from missing bats about sixteen percent of
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  Speaker 3: the time in May to twenty in June twenty three
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  Speaker 3: in July, although I up to thirty in August. Now
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  Speaker 3: out of the zone, there were times that struggled Jansen
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  Speaker 3: didn't give as much chase With all his pitches out
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  Speaker 3: side the zone, he wasn't getting the same rate of
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  Speaker 3: swing and miss he normally has. But with the cutter,
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  Speaker 3: you know, the whiff rate ticked up a little bit,
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  Speaker 3: and that seems to be something that Tigers feel good about.
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  Speaker 3: With Kinley Jansen, they're looking mostly basically at how his
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  Speaker 3: cutter performed in the second half of the season. Again,
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  Speaker 3: it wasn't a drastic change, but there was at least
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  Speaker 3: some evidence that's like, if he can repeat that, he
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  Speaker 3: could be setting himself up for some success. A lot
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  Speaker 3: of numbers there, Cody, I don't really mean that much.
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  Speaker 3: He was a little better with the cutter in the
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  Speaker 3: second half. He didn't actually miss many bats anyway.
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  Speaker 2: Anyway, cut it that was good. I like that. So yeah,
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  Speaker 2: I mean this is.
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  Speaker 1: I think this this is just kind of summarize it
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  Speaker 1: a little bit. It's a move that I think we
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  Speaker 1: can feel good about. They're not on the hook for
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  Speaker 1: any you know, any sort of long term contractual, contractual obligation,
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  Speaker 1: financial or years wise or whatever. And I'll be curious
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  Speaker 1: how he does this year and then whether they kind
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  Speaker 1: of deem it good enough to kind of bring back
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  Speaker 1: they gave they gave themselves that that out and that option.
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  Speaker 1: I guess, depending on which way you look at it,
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  Speaker 1: and and how he kind of fits into this bullpen,
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  Speaker 1: I'll be I'll be.
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  Speaker 3: Going to put you on the spot, Karen. Would you
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  Speaker 3: rather have Jansen on this deal or Ryan Helsley as
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  Speaker 3: your closer two years twenty eight million, which is what
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  Speaker 3: the Orioles gave him.
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  Speaker 2: I'd rather have Elsley, I would.
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  Speaker 3: I think there's a lot more upside with Hellesley. I
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  Speaker 3: think I agree. Helsley of course has a second, terrible
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  Speaker 3: second half with the Matts, But dude throws a hundred.
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  Speaker 3: Jansen doesn't throw a hundred anymore. I think there's more
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  Speaker 3: of the elite closer type still in Ryan Helsley where Jansen.
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  Speaker 3: I think you're hoping he can be good above average,
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  Speaker 3: but he's clearly you know past to.
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  Speaker 1: Speak, It's true, And in baseball and in life, you
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  Speaker 1: get what you paid for. All right, let's speaking of
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  Speaker 1: things that are not paid for. Let's go to our
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  Speaker 1: unsponsored but contractually obligated Terrek Schooble update here at Tiger Territory. Now,
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  Speaker 1: this one is a little bit of a stretch. It's
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  Speaker 1: a little bit quieter on on the Schooble front now,
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  Speaker 1: but I do believe that this is a note from
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  Speaker 1: your colleague Ken Rosenthal that does apply to the Tarrek
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  Speaker 1: Athletic as. Up to day, only twenty one of the
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  Speaker 1: athletics top fifty free agents had reached agreements, and that
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  Speaker 1: group included four who accept the qualifying offers. Obviously Clavor
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  Speaker 1: Torres be one of them. Baseball free agency moves at
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  Speaker 1: its own pace. Teams are just as active exploring trades
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  Speaker 1: as they are on the open market. Any trades this
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  Speaker 1: offseason are more difficult to complete for an encouraging reason,
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  Speaker 1: Virtually every team is trying to improve.
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  Speaker 2: Now.
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  Speaker 1: He mentions the Cardinals are not the Rockies, and the
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  Speaker 1: White Sox aren't necessarily going all in. But he quotes
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  Speaker 1: an executive who says no team wants prospects. If you're
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  Speaker 1: willing to take prospects, you'll get more on the dollar
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  Speaker 1: than you will for major league players. So we obviously
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  Speaker 1: have no idea what the asking price for Trek Scoogle
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  Speaker 1: would will be.
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  Speaker 2: But if the.
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  Speaker 1: Tigers were willing to just take prospects prospects, this quote
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  Speaker 1: in general makes it seem like different year, that would
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  Speaker 1: be what it would take and the two teams could
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  Speaker 1: come to an agreement. It seems like now, especially the
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  Speaker 1: Tigers being good and then you sign a Kenley Jansen type,
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  Speaker 1: you can't just sell Trek Scoogle the asset for prospects.
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  Speaker 1: I do believe there's a parallel there. Code That was
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  Speaker 1: very interesting from Kat.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah. I mean that's a little bit of a shift.
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  Speaker 3: We've been in this era where gms hold on to
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  Speaker 3: prospects so tightly and teams covet prospects, love to trade
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  Speaker 3: big contracts for prospects. Is that beginning to shift back
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  Speaker 3: a little bit? Who knows? It's an interesting note for
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  Speaker 3: the record. Another groundbreaking, earth shattering update. Scott Harris was
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  Speaker 3: asked today about trading Derek Scuble and if you don't,
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  Speaker 3: do you have to go quote all in? He said,
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  Speaker 3: I understand the question, I understand why you got to
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  Speaker 3: ask it. I'm not going to engage in hypotheticals if
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  Speaker 3: we trade or if we don't trade certain players. We
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  Speaker 3: have a good team right now. We're trying to win.
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  Speaker 3: We're trying to put the best team on the field
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  Speaker 3: that we can. That's my job, and I think we
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  Speaker 3: made a meaningful step towards that with Kinley today. So
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  Speaker 3: there you go. There is your unsponsored Terrek Scoople update.
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  Speaker 1: I'll tell you what, man, Scott Harris is many things.
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  Speaker 2: He like.
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  Speaker 1: He's a human, so he's got good traits and he's
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  Speaker 1: got flaws. But one of the things that he is
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  Speaker 1: great at is he always understands the question. He always
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  Speaker 1: understands the question. All right, we asked for some questions.
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  Speaker 1: We hadn't done a mail bag in a bit, Cody,
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  Speaker 1: so we asked for some questions from our loyal listeners.
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  Speaker 1: And no reason to delay any further. Just kind of
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  Speaker 1: dive right in. Speaking of Scott Harris, what he did
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  Speaker 1: last year would be considered a shuffle.
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  Speaker 2: When he acquired or you know.
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  Speaker 1: Assigned labor Torres, that was obviously a shuffle in the
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  Speaker 1: uh in the makeup of the team. So this is
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  Speaker 1: from Scott. You think the Tigers make a trade to
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  Speaker 1: shuffle the offense because it doesn't seem like they're going
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  Speaker 1: to sign an impact bat. Now, obviously Torres was a signee,
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  Speaker 1: So I understand that, but it was a shuffle. The
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  Speaker 1: shuffle part is what I was getting at there. Uh
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  Speaker 1: the answer that to me, it seems like no, it
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  Speaker 1: it seems like there's not going to be a whole
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  Speaker 1: lot of shuffling going on. It seems like they're pretty
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  Speaker 1: content with keeping things in order and trying to improve,
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  Speaker 1: you know, linearly or vertically I should say metaphorically, as
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  Speaker 1: opposed to like doing some sort of rearrangement aspects.
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  Speaker 3: So that's why I think this was certainly a big
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  Speaker 3: question I had at the beginning of the off season.
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  Speaker 3: Is there a way they could reshape this team? Would
• 17:42
  Speaker 3: they be willing to part with any of their young players,
• 17:45
  Speaker 3: maybe to get more of a sure thing. After what
• 17:49
  Speaker 3: Scott Harris has said on the record this offseason, after
• 17:52
  Speaker 3: conversation with team and league officials at winter meetings, I'm
• 17:56
  Speaker 3: with you, Kieren, I can't foresee a trade or I
• 17:59
  Speaker 3: guess my question would be for whom. I don't think
• 18:04
  Speaker 3: they're going after Kittel Marte. I don't think that's real,
• 18:07
  Speaker 3: and so who else makes sense to add to that.
• 18:12
  Speaker 3: Scott Harris today was asked about improving the offense via
• 18:15
  Speaker 3: free agency. He said, I think there's an important point here.
• 18:20
  Speaker 3: Just because a lot of the names look the same
• 18:23
  Speaker 3: doesn't mean the team is the same. From the day
• 18:26
  Speaker 3: I got here, I articulated a vision that has built
• 18:28
  Speaker 3: around development. If we're going to build around development, this
• 18:32
  Speaker 3: is what it looks like. So just because the team
• 18:36
  Speaker 3: is full of the same players doesn't mean it's the
• 18:38
  Speaker 3: same team. Which is quite the statement. But what he
• 18:40
  Speaker 3: meant was he pointed to like the development of Dylan Dingler.
• 18:43
  Speaker 3: This time a year ago was like, will Dingler even
• 18:46
  Speaker 3: be able to stay in the big leagues? And then
• 18:49
  Speaker 3: he finished the years the Tigers' most valuable position player
• 18:52
  Speaker 3: in terms of war So he's saying if a couple
• 18:54
  Speaker 3: other guys make leaps like that, they might as well
• 18:57
  Speaker 3: be different players. It might as well be a different team.
• 18:59
  Speaker 3: He's not in incredibly wrong, as we've talked about before.
• 19:02
  Speaker 3: It's just staking so much on the development of young players,
• 19:06
  Speaker 3: which in a way is a form of risk in
• 19:08
  Speaker 3: and of itself.
• 19:11
  Speaker 1: Hell yeah, it's a form of risk, bro, Like, you know,
• 19:13
  Speaker 1: they could be the same guys not be good like
• 19:15
  Speaker 1: that's like, that's get worse. That's the reality situation, Like
• 19:19
  Speaker 1: and and By the way, it's not just young players
• 19:21
  Speaker 1: like it's it's it's veterans, Like you know, Torres is
• 19:24
  Speaker 1: not obviously an old man or anything, but what if
• 19:27
  Speaker 1: he falls.
• 19:28
  Speaker 2: Off like that?
• 19:29
  Speaker 1: Has that happened in the history of baseball?
• 19:31
  Speaker 2: You know what I mean? So, like, yeah, that that's
• 19:33
  Speaker 2: you know, you say, it's also a risk.
• 19:35
  Speaker 1: That's a double edged sword too, so uh so, yeah,
• 19:39
  Speaker 1: I mean, I I will say this, if you follow
• 19:44
  Speaker 1: this team closely, and you follow like how they like
• 19:47
  Speaker 1: their guys, and you know, if you're a fan of
• 19:49
  Speaker 1: the team, you probably like a lot of these guys too,
• 19:52
  Speaker 1: You're now at the point where you're gonna make uncomfortable decisions.
• 19:56
  Speaker 1: Like I've said before, last year, it was not that
• 19:59
  Speaker 1: uncomfortable to take or see meet Spencer Torkelsen's starting job.
• 20:04
  Speaker 1: This year, it'd be a little uncomfortable, So that that
• 20:08
  Speaker 1: is part of it, all right, Moving on to our
• 20:11
  Speaker 1: next question. This is from David any Chatter on Job's
• 20:19
  Speaker 1: health slash status. Are we not likely to see him
• 20:23
  Speaker 1: until twenty twenty seven? Might he be a bullpen option
• 20:26
  Speaker 1: in the second half of twenty twenty six?
• 20:28
  Speaker 2: So this is pretty recent.
• 20:30
  Speaker 1: I always kind of assumed he would be on the
• 20:32
  Speaker 1: timeline that he could pitch in twenty twenty six. I
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: got some pushback on that, but it seems like that
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: is tentatively the plan for Job is that he will,
• 20:46
  Speaker 1: like the goal is to pitch in twenty twenty six.
• 20:48
  Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely, I asked Scott, here's this at winter meetings,
• 20:51
  Speaker 3: and sounds like pretty definitively actually, he expects Job to
• 20:55
  Speaker 3: be back at some point in the year. My dog
• 20:59
  Speaker 3: does not seem to like this idea. Sorry, guys. She
• 21:01
  Speaker 3: thinks they need to be more cautious with Job. And
• 21:03
  Speaker 3: that was what I was wondering. Do you do you
• 21:05
  Speaker 3: even consider that or not? Sounds like Jackson Job's gonna pitch.
• 21:13
  Speaker 1: Yeah, So, I mean, I I do like the timing
• 21:18
  Speaker 1: of this question because I believe he just started throwing.
• 21:23
  Speaker 1: Now what I mean by that is, I think I
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: saw on Instagram that he posted something to the equivalent
• 21:28
  Speaker 1: of gonna try out this new ucl So, I mean,
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: I'm sure it was like very like light toss or
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: something like that, but he is progression to return to
• 21:38
  Speaker 1: throwing or you know, whatever the tiger's terminology they like
• 21:41
  Speaker 1: to use. I do believe that that is something that
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: by the way could like if Scott Harris talks about
• 21:47
  Speaker 1: guys who are gonna be coming back, might be like,
• 21:50
  Speaker 1: I guarantee you come trade deadline time. You know we're
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: gonna get like, we're gonna get job back, like we're
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: gonna add a picture.
• 21:57
  Speaker 3: It's kind of like making a trade.
• 21:59
  Speaker 2: It's kind of making it right. I'm telling you that's
• 22:01
  Speaker 2: gonna happen.
• 22:03
  Speaker 3: All right.
• 22:04
  Speaker 2: Here's a fun one.
• 22:07
  Speaker 1: Troy Melton is your guy for a long time.
• 22:09
  Speaker 2: He's a favorite.
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: It's a favorite of the Tigers Minor League report. So
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: we have a question from Nathan, is there another Troy
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: Meltain type pitcher in the system that could have an
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: impact on the team next year? Starting pitching. He's looking
• 22:23
  Speaker 1: more and more like a massive need for twenty twenty
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: seven and beyond. That is true, Nathan, So here's a
• 22:29
  Speaker 1: chance you got a guy, Cody, you got a guy
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: for us?
• 22:32
  Speaker 3: I think my guy and this is based heavily off
• 22:35
  Speaker 3: the guys at Tigers Minor League Report once again, but
• 22:39
  Speaker 3: my guy's Andrew Sears. He's the Tigers number fourteen prospects
• 22:42
  Speaker 3: on MLB pipelining right now. He's a lefty, little bit
• 22:46
  Speaker 3: of a funky three quarter slot. Performed really well in
• 22:50
  Speaker 3: West Michigan two nine five era, got up to double
• 22:53
  Speaker 3: A just briefly six games there. But mid nineties fastball,
• 22:58
  Speaker 3: good slider, good sinker, really dominates the strike zone. So
• 23:03
  Speaker 3: he's a little bit of command overpower. It seems like
• 23:06
  Speaker 3: he's not really the Troy Milton type of pitchure. What
• 23:09
  Speaker 3: I liked so much about Melton was the power was
• 23:11
  Speaker 3: the vert fastball. If there's an underrated guy who could
• 23:15
  Speaker 3: make a quick jump, it's Sears again. He's got the funk,
• 23:17
  Speaker 3: He's got a robust repertoire, and if he continues to
• 23:21
  Speaker 3: throw strikes, I think he's going to move fast through
• 23:24
  Speaker 3: the system. There are a couple more guys I'd keep
• 23:26
  Speaker 3: an eye on, Jake Miller, who's recovering from hip procedures
• 23:30
  Speaker 3: on both hips, but he was added to the forty man.
• 23:33
  Speaker 3: He's a talented pitcher. And Troy Watson, who was on
• 23:36
  Speaker 3: the verge of getting a call up last year. The
• 23:38
  Speaker 3: Tigers signed him to a I believe in minor league
• 23:41
  Speaker 3: contract that has a one point two million dollar guarantee
• 23:44
  Speaker 3: if he gets in the big leagues, so they kind
• 23:47
  Speaker 3: of you know, this guy's not even on the forty man,
• 23:49
  Speaker 3: but they kind of put their money where their mouth
• 23:52
  Speaker 3: is to secure that they were able to bring back
• 23:54
  Speaker 3: Troy Watson. I think that's kind of the next wave
• 23:57
  Speaker 3: of guys we could see in the big leagues, and
• 23:59
  Speaker 3: I like Sears probably the most out of those guys.
• 24:03
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Miller would be my guy.
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: Obviously, you tend to think that the team likes him
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: when they add him to the forty man. And again,
• 24:11
  Speaker 1: I'm not going to claim to be like, you know,
• 24:14
  Speaker 1: Fishonado watching his games like a guy's Roger and Chris
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: or whatever. So they do a great job, but I
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: look at his profile and it kind of reminds me
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: of a Tyler Alexander type left. He doesn't necessarily throw hard,
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: can do the start thing, probably better in the hybrid role.
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: So Jake Miller and also, that's really what we saw
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: from Troy.
• 24:33
  Speaker 2: Melton this year.
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: So that made me think like, is this kind of
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: you know, could this kind of be this year's Troy Melton?
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: Is Like, that's really what he was for the Tigers
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: this season by happenstance. And so Jake Miller is a
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: guy that I'm keeping an eye on as well. All Right,
• 24:51
  Speaker 1: let's move on to the number one topic of the
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: past two offseasons. Cody our guy, Alex Bregman is from
• 24:59
  Speaker 1: Chief Keith love it amazing, amazing name there is. Alex
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: Bregman not considered a strong fit for the Tigers anymore.
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: I mean, I see it. I mean it seems they
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: want hitters to come from within, especially Kevin McGonagall. But
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: is it possible the Tigers are still interested in signed Bregman?
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: So let me let me kind of answer this first
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: code and then you take it from whatever point of
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: view you want. It just kind of seems like there's
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: not any real smoke to the Tigers and Bregman. It
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: just like the connections are obvious, and people make those
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: connections and it does check a lout of boxes and
• 25:42
  Speaker 1: make sense. But I just figured if there was mutual
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: interest by this point in year two of doing.
• 25:49
  Speaker 2: This, I know they offered the contract last year, I just.
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: Feel like we would get a little bit more substance,
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: you know, a little steak.
• 25:58
  Speaker 2: For that sizzle, and we don't have it.
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: And now it's like, oh, the d BAC's interested, Like
• 26:02
  Speaker 1: it just kind of feels it just kind of feels
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: like the Tigers. Maybe they're monitoring, but I feel like
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: they've kind of mentally moved on.
• 26:09
  Speaker 2: That's my guess.
• 26:12
  Speaker 3: Yeah, well we'll see. I had said, you know, a
• 26:14
  Speaker 3: couple of weeks back, the Tigers fans probably need to
• 26:16
  Speaker 3: move on from the Alex Bregman idea. But of course
• 26:19
  Speaker 3: it's the story that just won't die. I think the
• 26:22
  Speaker 3: point of the question like is he no longer a fit?
• 26:24
  Speaker 3: And I think that's why there hasn't been a lot
• 26:26
  Speaker 3: of interest from the Tiger's side. They have McGonagall coming,
• 26:30
  Speaker 3: they have how you leave Max Anderson, Bryce Rayner behind.
• 26:34
  Speaker 3: That the appeal of signing Bregman last year on a
• 26:37
  Speaker 3: six year deal. They had at least two years and
• 26:40
  Speaker 3: remember they wanted to give him an opt out after
• 26:42
  Speaker 3: the second year, but not the first year. They had
• 26:46
  Speaker 3: at least two years where he was kind of gonna
• 26:48
  Speaker 3: be the dude there, kind of right before all the
• 26:51
  Speaker 3: prospects hit. Well, one of those years is already gone,
• 26:53
  Speaker 3: one of his prime years. He's a year older now
• 26:56
  Speaker 3: that's already gone. He's about to be thirty two. So
• 26:59
  Speaker 3: there's a little more risk signing him if it were
• 27:01
  Speaker 3: to be a six year deal. There's a little less
• 27:03
  Speaker 3: need in terms of the amount of time before. Kind
• 27:07
  Speaker 3: of these guys that the Tigers are banking everything on
• 27:10
  Speaker 3: hit the big leagues. So I think that's why it's
• 27:13
  Speaker 3: not a fit, especially on a long term deal. I
• 27:17
  Speaker 3: still think this is probably not gonna happen. But the
• 27:20
  Speaker 3: Dbacks report was really interesting the other day because I
• 27:25
  Speaker 3: was beginning to get a little worried about Alex Bregman's market.
• 27:28
  Speaker 3: Let's just say Bobachek goes back to the Blue Jays
• 27:32
  Speaker 3: and the Red Sox instead of signing Bregman, they trade
• 27:35
  Speaker 3: for Kittel Marte. Where's Bregman gonna go? I guess now Arizona.
• 27:40
  Speaker 3: But in some world where maybe if his market craters
• 27:44
  Speaker 3: and he could again be had on a short term deal,
• 27:47
  Speaker 3: might the Tigers circle back and check it out. I
• 27:50
  Speaker 3: guess he can't rule it out, but it certainly seems unlikely.
• 27:54
  Speaker 3: It seems far fetched. I wouldn't be surprised if he
• 27:56
  Speaker 3: just ends up back in Boston.
• 27:57
  Speaker 1: Karan, Yeah, I mean, I don't know, dude. The Boston
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: thing makes me a little That feels weird too, Is
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: that wrong?
• 28:05
  Speaker 2: Like that feels weird too?
• 28:07
  Speaker 3: It was non existent this time last year, so they played.
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: Like they also have a lot of young guys that
• 28:12
  Speaker 1: they want to play, and they also tend to operate
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: with tighter per strings than their reputation would uh would dictate.
• 28:20
  Speaker 2: And then and then also like.
• 28:22
  Speaker 3: Are they actually willing to give out you know, this
• 28:24
  Speaker 3: sort of deal he's going to want.
• 28:26
  Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, I don't know. The Boston thing seems weird.
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: The Arizona thing that came out of so much out
• 28:31
  Speaker 1: of left field. I was like, man, I actually might
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: be where what happens?
• 28:37
  Speaker 2: Yeah?
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: So anyway, moving on to our next question. This is
• 28:43
  Speaker 1: from Bay to bing Boy to Boom any chance the
• 28:50
  Speaker 1: the any chance Mice to get traded mentions the CBA
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: there right, there might be time to move him. This
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: is a cell This is a cell high question Cody
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: with Casey Mies the less mentioned impending for agent on
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: the Tiger staff All Star. This is the opposite of
• 29:10
  Speaker 1: what I brought up early in this offseason about extension
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: question Mark. So, if I feel like the answer to
• 29:17
  Speaker 1: this question is if you trade Casey Mies, I mean
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: it's probably gonna be trade deadline and it means the
• 29:22
  Speaker 1: season has gone terrible, I'd be that'd be my opinion.
• 29:26
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I agree. Also, the Tigers just need pitching. You know,
• 29:31
  Speaker 3: they're counting on Mice to be part of the rotation
• 29:33
  Speaker 3: and hopefully pitch. Well, they just don't have you know,
• 29:35
  Speaker 3: they have some depth, but I don't know that you
• 29:37
  Speaker 3: have a ton you want Mines to be after Trek
• 29:41
  Speaker 3: Scuball one of your better pitchers next year. I just
• 29:43
  Speaker 3: don't think it makes sense to trade him at this point.
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: Well said, all right, this is from David Mitchell, fun little.
• 29:52
  Speaker 1: This is a this is a question I go into
• 29:54
  Speaker 1: my head all the time, David, so good job on this.
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: Do you think the very cautious the agent approach is
• 30:01
  Speaker 1: more than fifty percent driven by the owner or is
• 30:05
  Speaker 1: it more of the Harris slash Greenberg infatuation with doing
• 30:10
  Speaker 1: things their own way of influence. Sometimes it appears at
• 30:13
  Speaker 1: the front office just doesn't want to do what other
• 30:16
  Speaker 1: clubs do.
• 30:17
  Speaker 2: Uh.
• 30:19
  Speaker 1: This is a very good question. I do believe that,
• 30:23
  Speaker 1: and I've said this before. I do believe that Scott Harris,
• 30:27
  Speaker 1: if he had like an unlimited budget, he would spend
• 30:29
  Speaker 1: it all on things that were like not payroll, like
• 30:33
  Speaker 1: all the like the gadgets, like you know, personnel for
• 30:37
  Speaker 1: you know, analysts and analytics and all those things. I
• 30:41
  Speaker 1: do believe this is how Scott Harris views the best
• 30:44
  Speaker 1: way to have a sustainable, winning baseball operation.
• 30:49
  Speaker 2: Uh maybe that's what Maybe that.
• 30:52
  Speaker 1: Was his sales pitch and that's why Chris Ilig ended
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: up hiring him.
• 30:55
  Speaker 2: I don't.
• 30:56
  Speaker 1: I wish I knew what Chris was like, you know,
• 30:59
  Speaker 1: when it comes to pay role and all that stuff.
• 31:01
  Speaker 1: It hadn't really had a chance to know. I guess
• 31:03
  Speaker 1: maybe we'll know soon with the schoogle thing. But I
• 31:07
  Speaker 1: just feel like this is who Scott Harris is. This
• 31:09
  Speaker 1: is kind of just feels like who he is.
• 31:11
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I think this is an interesting question. The Tigers
• 31:14
  Speaker 3: certainly don't operate like some teams in the league, but
• 31:17
  Speaker 3: I will say they're unfortunately a lot of teams in
• 31:21
  Speaker 3: Major League Baseball that don't do exciting stuff. They're just
• 31:23
  Speaker 3: not the ones we hear about a lot. But even Cleveland,
• 31:27
  Speaker 3: I think there are a lot of similarities in the
• 31:29
  Speaker 3: way these organizations are being run right now. Detroit's a
• 31:32
  Speaker 3: bigger market, should be able to carry a bigger payroll.
• 31:34
  Speaker 3: They do carry a bigger payroll, but that's a front
• 31:37
  Speaker 3: office where I think there are some similarities, and you
• 31:40
  Speaker 3: can kind of go up and down the league, even Baltimore,
• 31:43
  Speaker 3: who's only recently gotten aggressive Tampa. Of course, those are
• 31:47
  Speaker 3: front offices Milwaukee that have kind of operated this way
• 31:50
  Speaker 3: for a long time, maybe have been a little more
• 31:53
  Speaker 3: decisive in if they had Derek Scoogle, maybe they would
• 31:56
  Speaker 3: trade him. Maybe it wouldn't be this big debate. So
• 32:00
  Speaker 3: it's not like completely uncommon to have I'll say the
• 32:04
  Speaker 3: word risk averse, risk aversion in your front office. But
• 32:09
  Speaker 3: I don't think it's Yeah, I don't think it's like
• 32:11
  Speaker 3: some mandate from ownership. I think maybe there are certain
• 32:14
  Speaker 3: budget confines you have to work within. But I think
• 32:16
  Speaker 3: it's a philosophy that this is how Scott Harris believes
• 32:19
  Speaker 3: in building a baseball team, or at least in building
• 32:22
  Speaker 3: a baseball team in this market, very much how the
• 32:25
  Speaker 3: Giants were run when he was the GM there under
• 32:28
  Speaker 3: Farhan's aiety. And another thing I've realized, I think in
• 32:32
  Speaker 3: all lines of work, people hire people who are like them,
• 32:37
  Speaker 3: idiots higher idiots, and smart people hire smart people, and
• 32:43
  Speaker 3: maybe like I can see Chris Harris, Wow, Chris Harris
• 32:49
  Speaker 3: have fru idio. I can see Chrisilich and Scott Harris
• 32:52
  Speaker 3: sitting down and just kind of vibing and like, you know,
• 32:55
  Speaker 3: with their business school backgrounds and finding common ground and
• 32:59
  Speaker 3: maybe what they think are the best. I think Scott
• 33:01
  Speaker 3: Harris was hired by Chris Ilich for a reason, and
• 33:06
  Speaker 3: part of that reason is the way he has been
• 33:08
  Speaker 3: building building out this organization.
• 33:12
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, they see him in lockstep. Like I said,
• 33:15
  Speaker 1: I do believe that Scott Harris is a man who
• 33:18
  Speaker 1: is very loyal to his process and loyal to his
• 33:23
  Speaker 1: you know, to his numbers, I guess for lack of
• 33:25
  Speaker 1: a better term, and like there's certain there's something to
• 33:30
  Speaker 1: be said about that. What the success the team has had,
• 33:32
  Speaker 1: the question is is ad enough to carry them forward?
• 33:35
  Speaker 1: And again he always says the quotes about like the headline,
• 33:39
  Speaker 1: guys of the trade deadline, the names and free agency,
• 33:43
  Speaker 1: Like a lot of times those those names outweigh production.
• 33:47
  Speaker 2: And he's not necessarily wrong about that.
• 33:48
  Speaker 1: But you know, you look at the teams that advance
• 33:51
  Speaker 1: in the playoffs, a lot of times they got dudes
• 33:53
  Speaker 1: on them, just saying all right, well along those lines,
• 33:58
  Speaker 1: this is from Robert James. Any is there any way
• 34:02
  Speaker 1: you can talk about specific free agents and how they fit.
• 34:04
  Speaker 1: We know they need to add in a vacuum. That's
• 34:07
  Speaker 1: need to add in quotes in a vacuum. But who
• 34:09
  Speaker 1: besides Bregman actually makes sense. Well, one of them just
• 34:12
  Speaker 1: got taken off the market code of your guy, so
• 34:15
  Speaker 1: you know that we can have We can put that
• 34:17
  Speaker 1: one to rest.
• 34:19
  Speaker 3: Ha Song Kim is gone one year, twenty million, no
• 34:22
  Speaker 3: option back to the Braves. I thought Hassong Kim made
• 34:26
  Speaker 3: a lot of sense for the Tigers. I think there
• 34:28
  Speaker 3: was at least some interest. But twenty mil is a
• 34:30
  Speaker 3: lot if you don't believe Hassong Kim's good. The Braves
• 34:33
  Speaker 3: just gave him twenty mil. It's a one year deal.
• 34:36
  Speaker 3: There might have been some hesitation on his part to
• 34:38
  Speaker 3: play in a park like k America a one year deal.
• 34:43
  Speaker 3: He's going back to the Braves. The A's, according to
• 34:45
  Speaker 3: Ken Rosenthal, offered him what four years, but wanted him
• 34:48
  Speaker 3: to play second. There's only twelve million AAV with a
• 34:51
  Speaker 3: lot of incentives. He's clearly going to take the high
• 34:54
  Speaker 3: payday try to have a good year in cash in.
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  Speaker 3: I thought he was the player still out there that
• 34:58
  Speaker 3: made the most sense. It's a fair question, because I
• 35:02
  Speaker 3: don't know who else makes sense other than Bo Baschett.
• 35:06
  Speaker 3: If you're not gonna get him, I don't know. You know,
• 35:09
  Speaker 3: I'm not interested in the Isaiah Kiner Phileffas of the world.
• 35:13
  Speaker 3: You know, you'll get center field trading for Jared Duran.
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  Speaker 3: I still think it could make a lot of sense,
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  Speaker 3: but in terms of free agency, not much moves the
• 35:20
  Speaker 3: needle there for me. I wouldn't hate him signing another
• 35:23
  Speaker 3: starting pitcher, but I think the names of guys who
• 35:27
  Speaker 3: are obvious fits, at least at the higher end of
• 35:29
  Speaker 3: the market, have dried up pretty quickly.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, Bashett still checks a lot of boxes,
• 35:37
  Speaker 1: and you know, now it seems like he's, you know,
• 35:40
  Speaker 1: his camp is putting out word that he you know,
• 35:42
  Speaker 1: he'd be willing to play some second base. So that's
• 35:45
  Speaker 1: obviously trying to facilitate more offers and kind of drum
• 35:49
  Speaker 1: up his market a little bit. So we'll see, we'll
• 35:51
  Speaker 1: see how that plays out. I mean, I'm still in
• 35:52
  Speaker 1: favor of signing Bashett like that. That makes all the
• 35:55
  Speaker 1: sense in the world to me. If you want to
• 35:57
  Speaker 1: go with you know, out field options, like you're right,
• 36:01
  Speaker 1: it has dried up quickly. I don't think Nick Castiano's
• 36:05
  Speaker 1: reunion is impending Cody. It looks like they're gonna, uh,
• 36:09
  Speaker 1: you know, cut ties with him over there in Philadelphia.
• 36:12
  Speaker 3: That don't don't think Nick's gonna have a lot of suitors. Unfortunately.
• 36:15
  Speaker 3: I love me some Nick Casianos.
• 36:17
  Speaker 2: But yeah, that's the thing.
• 36:19
  Speaker 1: That's a that's a name, that's a guy that in
• 36:21
  Speaker 1: the postseason, you see him in the batter in order
• 36:23
  Speaker 1: to see him come up, and you kind of expect
• 36:25
  Speaker 1: good things to happen. And then you look at his
• 36:26
  Speaker 1: stats this past year and it's like, well, do you
• 36:31
  Speaker 1: do you need?
• 36:32
  Speaker 2: Do you need Nick Casianos when you have Kerry Carpenter?
• 36:35
  Speaker 2: You know what I mean?
• 36:35
  Speaker 1: Like, that's that that that's kind of where the Tigers
• 36:38
  Speaker 1: are at now right. So and by the way, Carry
• 36:41
  Speaker 1: Carpenter is definitely one of those guys that's becoming, you know,
• 36:43
  Speaker 1: one of those names, even though he is not in
• 36:46
  Speaker 1: All Star.
• 36:47
  Speaker 2: So all right, I think that's it. I think that's
• 36:50
  Speaker 2: all we got, Cody.
• 36:51
  Speaker 1: Uh, pretty pretty fun, fun conversations.
• 36:54
  Speaker 3: I like.
• 36:55
  Speaker 1: I like the fact that the Tigers throw us a
• 36:57
  Speaker 1: curveball with the with the Jansen signing, because again, it.
• 37:01
  Speaker 2: Was a little bit out of character. It's a little
• 37:03
  Speaker 2: just enough to keep us.
• 37:05
  Speaker 1: It could expand our horizons on how we predict that
• 37:08
  Speaker 1: the theme.
• 37:09
  Speaker 3: To say, they really don't give us a ton of
• 37:10
  Speaker 3: content to work with other than just like Smoky not
• 37:14
  Speaker 3: that real rumors with schoobl and Bregman.
• 37:18
  Speaker 2: Uh.
• 37:18
  Speaker 3: They signed Sean Gunther and Jack Little back to minor
• 37:21
  Speaker 3: league deals. Baby, that's how they're gonna round out this bullpen.
• 37:24
  Speaker 3: And I don't hate that. By the way, Sean Gunther especially, yeah,
• 37:28
  Speaker 3: can be pretty good from the left side. But the
• 37:30
  Speaker 3: Jansen thing, I don't know. It's not the worst content
• 37:33
  Speaker 3: to work with. It's a name, it's a Scott Harris said,
• 37:36
  Speaker 3: probably a future Hall of Famer. Is it gonna be
• 37:39
  Speaker 3: a train wreck or not? We'll see. I don't hate it.
• 37:44
  Speaker 3: I don't hate it, but if it goes bad, we're
• 37:46
  Speaker 3: gonna know why. Yeah.
• 37:48
  Speaker 1: And you're also set up to where if if he
• 37:51
  Speaker 1: is a train wreck, you are not screwed on the
• 37:53
  Speaker 1: back of one year. So yeah, yeah yeah, so uh
• 37:57
  Speaker 1: so that's uh that is so thin of note as well.
• 38:00
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