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Speaker 1: Hi, get everybody. I'm Dan Hord and thanks for downloading
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Speaker 1: bottles with you on New Uesday. Addition, as the Bengals
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Speaker 1: head to Kansas City for a New Year's Eve rematch
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Speaker 1: of the last two AFC Championship games as they face
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Speaker 1: the Kansas City Chiefs. Coming up, I'll talk to Orlando
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Speaker 1: Brown Junior about facing his former team. We'll hear from
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Speaker 1: the NFL Networks Andrew Siciliano about the bengals final two
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Speaker 1: regular season games, and in this week's No The Foux Conversation,
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Speaker 1: we'll look at the Chiefs with their radio analyst Danan Hughes.
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Speaker 1: Last Saturday's game in Pittsburgh was rough, but it was
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Speaker 1: still a special day for Orlando Brown Junior. In the
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Speaker 1: locker room after the game, he watched the birth of
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Speaker 1: his second son, a boy named Sonny, on FaceTime. This week,
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Speaker 1: he goes back to Kansas City, where he earned a
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Speaker 1: Super Bowl ring last year. I caught up with Orlando
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Speaker 1: on Wednesday. First congratulations are in order. Orlando Brown Junior
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Speaker 1: is a two time dad as of Saturday.
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Speaker 2: Yes, I am, Yes, I am. Man.
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Speaker 3: I'm super super blessed to be able to obviously be
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Speaker 3: here for my kids.
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Speaker 2: Man.
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Speaker 3: You know, losing my dad at fifteen was hard for me.
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Speaker 3: But man, to be able to bring these lives in
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Speaker 3: the world and beat her for him menace everything to me.
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Speaker 1: And both Christmas babies one born just before the they're
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Speaker 1: just after.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly, man, the twenty third and twenty eighth.
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Speaker 1: So all right, let's talk about Sunday's game. It's one
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Speaker 1: of the great rivalries in the NFL, the Bengals against
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Speaker 1: the Chiefs. You were on the other side of the
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Speaker 1: rivalry for the last couple of years. What did you
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Speaker 1: think of the Bengals from the opposite sideline.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, well, I mean one of the reasons I signed here.
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Speaker 4: Man.
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Speaker 3: You can always tell how tough and physical, how hard
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Speaker 3: this group plays, how determined they were. You know, I
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Speaker 3: think being on the other side of things, man, having
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Speaker 3: only one of the one of the battles, that was
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Speaker 3: what stuck out to me the most.
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Speaker 1: Was there anybody on the Bengals roster where you were like, man,
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Speaker 1: I don't like that guy, and now that your teammates
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Speaker 1: you're like, hey, this is a cool dude.
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Speaker 2: Yeah. Honestly, probably all of them, Probably all of them,
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Speaker 2: you know.
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Speaker 3: I it's funny to say that, you know, we were
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Speaker 3: just recently talking about that, just because the rivalry is
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Speaker 3: so competitive, and you know, you you don't really know
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Speaker 3: the guys in the other locker room, and you know,
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Speaker 3: I was just staying on all of them, honestly.
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Speaker 1: So going back to the AFC Championship game last year,
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Speaker 1: did the Bengals calling Arrowhead Burrowhead or the Mayor's ill
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Speaker 1: advised video trolling Patrick Mahomes kick you off at the time.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean personally, man, you know, I get it.
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Speaker 3: You know, the trash talk and stuff. I can't really
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Speaker 3: say it bothered me. Maybe it's some of the others
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Speaker 3: as much, but you know, it's kind of a part
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Speaker 3: of it, man, And I think that's what made the
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Speaker 3: robbery so entertaining. It's so great, is those little things
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Speaker 3: that kind of going on the outside that you know,
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Speaker 3: obviously going to the game and up until that point,
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Speaker 3: I mean, what they had won three straight against US,
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Speaker 3: so you know they had our number.
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Speaker 1: Or visiting with the Orlando Brown junior. In other sports,
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Speaker 1: when you face a former team, it's not necessarily physical.
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Speaker 1: On Sunday you'll be looking to pummel guys that were
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Speaker 1: close friends ten months ago. Was that strange the first
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Speaker 1: time you did it? And is it still strange now?
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Speaker 4: No?
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Speaker 3: Man, I mean, you know, at the end of the day,
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Speaker 3: it's my job. Man, I don't care if my mother
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Speaker 3: had a home on the other side of the ball.
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Speaker 3: That's just the kind of way I think about it.
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Speaker 3: You know, this guy's trying to feed his family like
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Speaker 3: I'm trying to do trying to feed mine, and so
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Speaker 3: you know, when it comes to the mentality, man, I mean,
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Speaker 3: there is no backing down, there is no laying off.
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Speaker 3: It's full go, you know, once we're out there on
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Speaker 3: and light on.
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Speaker 1: So you're going into Arrowhead, which holds the record for
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Speaker 1: loudest stadium for a sporting event. It was one hundred
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Speaker 1: and forty two decibels several years ago. Is it the
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Speaker 1: loudest that you've ever played in?
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Speaker 4: Yeah?
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Speaker 2: Man, definitely.
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Speaker 3: You know, I think Arrowhead is extremely loud from all
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Speaker 3: the times that I've been there, even as an opposing
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Speaker 3: player Seattle too, you know that that environment. And here
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Speaker 3: in Cincinnati another another stadium that's crazy, M and T Bank,
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Speaker 3: Baltimore and San Francisco. Man, those stadiums, those fans get rowdy.
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Speaker 1: Now, So as an o lineman at some point is
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Speaker 1: loud just loud or the ones that you just mentioned,
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Speaker 1: is at a different level in trying to communicate.
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Speaker 3: It's a different level when trying to communicate because honestly,
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Speaker 3: it's hard to hear the man next to you, and
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Speaker 3: so uh sometimes even with the quarterback checking and play
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Speaker 3: or if you are on cadence in a certain situation
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Speaker 3: under center. I mean, it's hard. It's hard. But you know,
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Speaker 3: those are things you got to overcome on the road.
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Speaker 3: And that's why I'm super excited for the opportunity to
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Speaker 3: get out here to Kansas City with this team. Is
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Speaker 3: you know, because there is gonna be adversity in this game,
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Speaker 3: and uh, that's that's part of the sport, that's part
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Speaker 3: of you know, these Bengals Chiefs games, and uh, you know,
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Speaker 3: I think the crowd noise is going to kind of
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Speaker 3: add to that. And so that's what makes it special, man,
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Speaker 3: is you know, we get the opportunity to go out
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Speaker 3: here against a really good football team, obviously a team
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Speaker 3: that you know, took this team out of the Super
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Speaker 3: Bowl last year, and and uh, you know all those
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Speaker 3: things that go into it.
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Speaker 2: Man, it's super exciting.
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Speaker 1: So after the loss to Pittsburgh on Saturday, most of
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Speaker 1: the other results were favorable to the Bengals except for
6:55
Speaker 1: Buffalo winning, but the other games kind of fell in
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Speaker 1: Cincinnati's favor. Were you even really paying attention to any
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Speaker 1: of that? And now that you know it has it
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Speaker 1: energized the team at all, knowing, hey, we're still very
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Speaker 1: much in this.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, man, you know, no matter what with the season, man,
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Speaker 3: I try to take it one week at a time.
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Speaker 3: And I know that's kind of cliche and a little
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Speaker 3: bit of corny, but you know, so many things can
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Speaker 3: happen week to week, and trying to keep up with
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Speaker 3: playoff contention, and you know, the week fourteen or it's hard,
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Speaker 3: you know what I mean? And so I keep it
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Speaker 3: week the week, man, And first and foremost, we got
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Speaker 3: to beat this football team in Kansas City, and I
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Speaker 3: think from there everything else will take care of yourself.
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Speaker 1: The Chiefs record is one game better than the Bengals record,
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Speaker 1: and they've had a healthy Patrick Mahomes all year. Obviously
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Speaker 1: you have not had a healthy Joe Burrow all year.
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Speaker 1: What do you think's up in Kansas City?
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Speaker 3: Yeah, well, I mean, I think overall, just in the NFL,
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Speaker 3: you look around how competitive the league is, and how
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Speaker 3: much more competitive it is. You know, the NFL is
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Speaker 3: designed to somewhat haven't even playing field, in the way
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Speaker 3: that free agency works, in the way that the waiver
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Speaker 3: wire works with the worst team getting the best option
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Speaker 3: rec for the draft, all those different things. And uh,
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Speaker 3: I think you look around the league, man, even within
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Speaker 3: their division. For Kansas City, Denver is a better football
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Speaker 3: team than they've ever been. Uh, the Raiders are a
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Speaker 3: really good football team, playing really hard. And you know
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Speaker 3: the Chargers are are you know, playing hard as well,
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Speaker 3: even though they're down with Justin Herbert. So when you
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Speaker 3: have a little small things like that going on around
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Speaker 3: the sport, man, you've got teams like Buffalo that are
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Speaker 3: that are really good, have really good rosters. You know,
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Speaker 3: I think all those things kind of go hand to hand.
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Speaker 3: And so man, that's that's what that's what this league
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Speaker 3: is about. It's it's literally a game of inches and so, uh,
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Speaker 3: Kansas City has come up short a few times due
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Speaker 3: to that reason. Man, whether it be a turnover here there,
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Speaker 3: you know, you take one of those turnovers out the game.
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Speaker 3: I mean, I mean it's it's a pretty competitive game
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Speaker 3: last week for them. So, uh, that's just kind of
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Speaker 3: way the cookie crumbles.
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Speaker 2: You could say.
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Speaker 1: One thing that hasn't dropped off in Kansas City is
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Speaker 1: the d.
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Speaker 2: Yeah.
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Speaker 1: Number two in scoring defense, number two in yards allowed.
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Speaker 1: Is this as well as they've ever played on defense
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Speaker 1: since you've been a member of the NFL?
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Speaker 2: Yeah, definitely, Man, I think this def this is really special.
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Speaker 3: And they have you know, they have been They've always
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Speaker 3: had pretty much the same faces and names.
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Speaker 2: A few new.
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Speaker 3: People here and there, but you know, Spags is a
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Speaker 3: great defensive coordinator, man, and he gets this guy's going.
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Speaker 3: He's got greatest sinstant coaches. Obviously, Chris Jones is the
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Speaker 3: first battle of Hall of Famer, you know. So it's
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Speaker 3: a lot of things going going their way in terms
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Speaker 3: of that man, and they play really hard as well.
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Speaker 1: Fifth time around between these two rivals, it's all four
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Speaker 1: previous games have been decided by three points.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, and that's That's what this is about.
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Speaker 3: Man is winning it turnover battle, you know, being the
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Speaker 3: most disciplined team and winning a lot of scrimmage.
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Speaker 1: Congrats on Young Sunny, best of luck on Sunday, Yes, sir,
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Speaker 1: thank you. The Bengals are currently a seven point underdog
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Speaker 1: at Kansas City. The last time they lost to Pittsburgh,
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Speaker 1: they were a ten point underdog the following week and
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Speaker 1: beat Jacksonville in overtime on Monday Night Football thirty four
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Speaker 1: thirty one. Here's Zach Taylor.
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Speaker 5: You can look back to how this room was, how
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Speaker 5: locker room after the day after we lost Pittsburgh the
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Speaker 5: first time, you know, and there could have easily been
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Speaker 5: a narrative that this team's going to hang it up,
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Speaker 5: and that's not what happened. Instead, three games in a
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Speaker 5: row where we played really inspired football and found three
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Speaker 5: wins and you got ourselves back in the hunt. So
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Speaker 5: we're no different in the situation right now where we
10:13
Speaker 5: need to be at our best this week against Kansas City.
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Speaker 5: And I'm excited to see if these guys respond. And
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Speaker 5: I know what they are, I know how they're going
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Speaker 5: to respond, and I'm excited to see it this week.
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Speaker 1: If the Bengals can win their final two games, they
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Speaker 1: have a ninety four percent chance of making the playoffs.
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Speaker 1: If they go one and one, it's a twenty one
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Speaker 1: percent chance. So a win in Kansas City this week
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Speaker 1: would be ginormous. For more in the likelihood of pulling
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Speaker 1: it off. I caught up with a familiar face from
10:42
Speaker 1: the NFL Network. He is a host on the NFL
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Speaker 1: Network and he's called some games on the radio for
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Speaker 1: the Cleveland Browns this year. It is great to welcome
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Speaker 1: in my friend Andrew Ciciliano. Andrew, if the Bengals can
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Speaker 1: win their last two games, they can still make it
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Speaker 1: to the playoffs, and that road to the playoffs again's
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Speaker 1: at Kansas City this week. What do you make of
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Speaker 1: the Chiefs who are nine and six and just four
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Speaker 1: and four at home?
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Speaker 6: Oh boy, Dan, Happy Holidays, Merry Christmas, Happy New Year,
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Speaker 6: all that fun stuff to you and yours. It was
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Speaker 6: not a merry Christmas, I know for the Chiefs. I
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Speaker 6: think I was like everyone else. You know, by the
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Speaker 6: time you get with the family and by the time, yeah,
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Speaker 6: you figure out you know, when is dinner going to
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Speaker 6: be served? Should I have another appetizer? Should I pour
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Speaker 6: another drink. You looked up and all of a sudden,
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Speaker 6: the Chiefs were losing in the fourth quarter, and everybody
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Speaker 6: wanted to blame Taylor Swift. I think they have some
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Speaker 6: legitimate issues, and I don't know that I've ever seen
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Speaker 6: I think this really tells the story. I don't know
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Speaker 6: that I've ever seen Patrick Mahomes that visibly frustrated on
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Speaker 6: the field, and it's been building. Obviously, there have been
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Speaker 6: moments and postgame with Josh Allen a couple of weeks
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Speaker 6: ago with the Gadarius tonyoff size that obviously was his
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Speaker 6: volcanic moment on the field, but just the first stration
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Speaker 6: down in, down, out, the body language with Kelsey throwing
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Speaker 6: the helmet and everything as well. I think that offense
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Speaker 6: is broken. They have nobody who can get open. Mahomes
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Speaker 6: truly does have to do everything by himself. With the
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Speaker 6: checko down concussion protocol, I think that adds an extra
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Speaker 6: layer of difficulty for the Chiefs. I think this team
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Speaker 6: is eminently beatable, even if the game is in Kansas
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Speaker 6: City and we keep waiting for it to click. Oh,
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Speaker 6: don't worry, Mahomes and Andy Reid are going to figure
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Speaker 6: it out well. They have it yet, which leads me
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Speaker 6: to believe if they aren't going to.
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Speaker 1: After Kansas City, it's a home game against the Cleveland Browns.
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Speaker 1: You called the Browns game last week on the radio.
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Speaker 1: At this point, the way Joe Flacco is playing, are
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Speaker 1: the Browns a legit contender?
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Speaker 4: I think they are.
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Speaker 6: Dan and the Browns fan in me, and for those
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Speaker 6: who don't know, I was born and raised day Browns fan,
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Speaker 6: I will be there for Thursday night football in the
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Speaker 6: stands as a fan dressed formally. Of course, the Browns
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Speaker 6: fan in me doesn't want to say it because you
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Speaker 6: tell yourself you can't have good things and don't dream
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Speaker 6: of playoff victories yet, just take it day by day,
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Speaker 6: week by week, as Stefanski says, go one to oh
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Speaker 6: every week. But Flacco has brought a new level of confidence,
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Speaker 6: and I think in this holiday season, I don't want
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Speaker 6: to get too deep here, but I think the issue
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Speaker 6: of gratitude is relevant here if you go back and
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Speaker 6: you look after the Jaguars victory, when Stefanski gave flackaway
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Speaker 6: game ball postgame speech in the locker room, Flacco said
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Speaker 6: to the team, thank you for having me, like thank
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Speaker 6: you for letting me in here. He is that grateful
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Speaker 6: to have another shot at it, and with this team
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Speaker 6: it's working, and they are that grateful in return to
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Speaker 6: have him, and it is a sight to behold and
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Speaker 6: the level of confidence and joy with which they were
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Speaker 6: playing because he is there is something Andrew.
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Speaker 1: Let's turn to Jake Brown and he's made five starts
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Speaker 1: since Joe Burrow went down. His passer rating is ninety
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Speaker 1: nine point four. He's averaging more than three hundred passing
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Speaker 1: yards per game in this year of backup quarterbacks. What
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Speaker 1: do you think of Jake Browning in the job he's
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Speaker 1: done in Cincinnati.
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Speaker 6: I think it's phenomenal. Part of me was yelling at
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Speaker 6: my TV in the first quarter, Daan, I'm sure you
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Speaker 6: were yelling at the radio as well when he I think,
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Speaker 6: tried to throw the ball away in the back right
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Speaker 6: corner of the end zone. But also when you have
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Speaker 6: t Higgins make the play the week before, you have
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Speaker 6: that confidence, and Jake is certainly not one lacking confidence
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Speaker 6: that you can make that play. I love the guy,
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Speaker 6: I think, Dan, you and I talked on serious x
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Speaker 6: MNFL radio the day after the Joe Burrow injury. I
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Speaker 6: had you on as a guest, and I said, I
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Speaker 6: think the season's over, not out of spite, I just
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Speaker 6: didn't see this coming. It is a great holiday gift
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Speaker 6: and the Bengals still have a shot, which this time
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Speaker 6: of the year is all you can ask for. And
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Speaker 6: here's here's why Bengals fans should be rooting for the
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Speaker 6: Browns on Thursday. Because if the Browns win, and the
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Speaker 6: Browns are in and the Ravens win and the Ravens
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Speaker 6: lock up number one, Brown's got nothing to play for
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Speaker 6: a week eighteen and they are decimated by injuries, and
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Speaker 6: you could see PJ. Walker week eighteen. So Bengals fans
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Speaker 6: root for the Browns.
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Speaker 1: Let's talk about a Bengals defensive player. When people around
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Speaker 1: the NFL talk about the great edge rushers in the league,
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Speaker 1: they're going to mention TJ. Watt, Miles Garrett, and obviously
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Speaker 1: Micah Parsons and some others. You don't hear Trey Hendrickson
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Speaker 1: come up all that often.
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Speaker 4: TJ.
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Speaker 1: Watt's the only player in the NFL right now with
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Speaker 1: more sacks than Trey who has sixteen. Does he belong
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Speaker 1: in that conversation? And do you have a theory for
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Speaker 1: why he doesn't get that kind of publicity.
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Speaker 6: That's a great question. Why does he not? That I
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Speaker 6: can't answer, But I think a sack and six straight
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Speaker 6: games of those overall numbers certainly deserve more attention. I
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Speaker 6: think the people to know football know the kind of
16:07
Speaker 6: job Trey Henderson does against the run as well. I'll
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Speaker 6: go back to Stefanski. He went off in his soapbox
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Speaker 6: last week about stats being the only numbers kind of
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Speaker 6: like home runs in baseball, that anyone pays attention to,
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Speaker 6: but it truly doesn't tell the entire story, whether it's
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Speaker 6: pressures or TFLs or plays in the backfield in general,
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Speaker 6: Trey Hendrickson has all of those things if you take
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Speaker 6: a deeper dive, and that's not analytics, that's just a
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Speaker 6: better way of analyzing the way somebody is playing. Trey Henderson.
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Speaker 6: Hendrickson does deserve more attention. But the squeaky wheel, like
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Speaker 6: Michah Parsons and Jerry Jones complaining about not getting holding calls,
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Speaker 6: generally speaking, is what's going to be heard on the
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Speaker 6: screaming head shows every morning when you turn your radio on.
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Speaker 1: All right, let's look ahead to next year. The Bengals
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Speaker 1: will have a healthy Joe Burrow back, and they're going
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Speaker 1: to have them as their quarterback at least through twenty
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Speaker 1: twenty nine. After the contract extension that he signed prior
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Speaker 1: to this season. There are going to be some salary
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Speaker 1: cap implications to come. But give us your long term
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Speaker 1: prognosis for the Cincinnati Bengals.
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Speaker 6: What did Joe say? The window is as long as
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Speaker 6: I'm here right the window is my career. I think
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Speaker 6: I'm going to go. I'll have what he's having. I
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Speaker 6: fully believe that. But I also know Dan, as you
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Speaker 6: guys will know there and is always the topic of conversation,
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Speaker 6: especially this year, that there are other contracts to worry about,
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Speaker 6: another mouths to feed, specifically in the wide receiver room.
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Speaker 2: So it's going to be a balancing act.
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Speaker 6: And what you hope doesn't happen is honestly what's going
17:44
Speaker 6: on right now in Kansas City, because we all agree
17:48
Speaker 6: that if they had simply paid a little bit more
17:51
Speaker 6: to Tyreek Hill, then maybe people aren't blaming Taylor Swift
17:56
Speaker 6: and the Chiefs offense is still clicking, and it would
18:00
Speaker 6: be great if you could keep that wide receiver room intact.
18:05
Speaker 6: I don't know that you can but as long as
18:07
Speaker 6: Joe is there, I firmly believe that they will be fine,
18:10
Speaker 6: because I also believe in Duke Tobin's ability to continue
18:14
Speaker 6: to restock this roster.
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Speaker 1: You are spending time with your family for the holidays.
18:19
Speaker 1: We interrupted a shopping spree.
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Speaker 6: That's what's in the back couring rain here in northern Virginia.
18:25
Speaker 6: I actually came inside here to the car to get dry.
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Speaker 1: All right, Well in happy shopping once you get out
18:32
Speaker 1: of the car, once it stops raining. We appreciate your time,
18:35
Speaker 1: enjoy that Browns game, and look forward to catching up
18:38
Speaker 1: again sometime soon. Thanks Andrew.
18:40
Speaker 6: Like I said, happy holidays, Merry Christmas, and Happy New
18:43
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18:47
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Speaker 1: Browning is going to have to rebound from the first
19:15
Speaker 1: bad start of his NFL career, as he threw three
19:19
Speaker 1: interceptions in Saturday's loss at Pittsburgh.
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Speaker 7: I'm not the first quarterback to that have a tough game,
19:24
Speaker 7: and there's been a lot of great quarterbacks that I
19:26
Speaker 7: had some really really bad games, and so I'm not.
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Speaker 2: Discouraged by that.
19:31
Speaker 7: I think you watch it with I watched my losses
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Speaker 7: the same way I watch my wins, and there's always
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Speaker 7: going to be something you need to do better taking
19:40
Speaker 7: that into account. But then also, like for me, it's
19:42
Speaker 7: you know, okay, it's very easy to say, okay, don't
19:45
Speaker 7: turn the ball over. Okay, Well, you know, how do
19:48
Speaker 7: you do that while it's sustaining aggressive in the scheme,
19:50
Speaker 7: because I do need to play well and play like
19:52
Speaker 7: that in order to win games. There's no quarterbacks in
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Speaker 7: the NFL that are just showing up on game day
19:56
Speaker 7: and you know, just playing not to mess up and
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Speaker 7: then winning a bunch of games games. So it's not
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Speaker 7: as easy as just saying that, And so you got
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Speaker 7: to find that balance and you know, hopefully be able
20:07
Speaker 7: to do that throughout this week of practice and play well.
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Speaker 2: It's the Chiefs.
20:11
Speaker 1: If Browning had enough attempts to qualify, his passer rating
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Speaker 1: of ninety eight point five would rank sixth best in
20:18
Speaker 1: the NFL. Patrick Mahomes is currently fifteenth in that stat
20:23
Speaker 1: mostly due to his fourteen interceptions, the highest total of
20:27
Speaker 1: his NFL career. For more on Kansas City and the
20:31
Speaker 1: Bengals Chiefs rivalry, radio analyst Danan Hughes joined Dave laphaman me,
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Speaker 1: I'm the Bengals game plan and show.
20:40
Speaker 4: It's definitely different circumstances now, but still a lot on
20:44
Speaker 4: the line for us and you guys, and we have
20:47
Speaker 4: to make the best of it. So it's still going
20:48
Speaker 4: to be an epic clash. Definitely. You guys are one
20:53
Speaker 4: of the teams, one of the two probably three teams
20:56
Speaker 4: that I say in the NFL that are very comfortable
20:59
Speaker 4: coming in to Geha Field at Arrowhead Stadium, and we
21:04
Speaker 4: have to be ready for it. We haven't played our
21:06
Speaker 4: best football at home. Of our six losses, four of
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Speaker 4: them have been at home, so we got to change
21:12
Speaker 4: that around and for the first time, if we can
21:15
Speaker 4: get this win or at least one of the next
21:17
Speaker 4: two wins, we'll be in the playoffs and we'll have
21:20
Speaker 4: an uphill battle with Patrick Malmes having to go on
21:23
Speaker 4: the road at some point. So definitely a lot on
21:26
Speaker 4: the line, a lot to be digesting right now, but
21:31
Speaker 4: it's the matter at hand that we have to try
21:33
Speaker 4: to take advantage of.
21:34
Speaker 8: Are you surprised that the Kansas City Chiefs have not
21:38
Speaker 8: found their rhythm offensively yet? You know, it's been up
21:42
Speaker 8: and down. I guess, to say the least. What's your
21:45
Speaker 8: thought there? Why do you think they're struggling so badly
21:48
Speaker 8: to find their rhythm?
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Speaker 4: Yeah, I am definitely surprised. I think many people around
21:55
Speaker 4: the Chiefs Kingdom are surprised that we are not necessarily
22:00
Speaker 4: as consistent as you would like. I think earlier this
22:03
Speaker 4: season you kind of always chalk it up as Okay,
22:05
Speaker 4: you don't need to be your best in September, and
22:08
Speaker 4: then October came along and you had a few wins,
22:11
Speaker 4: and you kind of felt like, all right, we're just
22:14
Speaker 4: kind of hitting out groove. It's taking a little bit
22:16
Speaker 4: longer than normal. Then November comes in December and we
22:21
Speaker 4: can see these these losses that are starting to place
22:26
Speaker 4: themselves in our situation, and we're like, Okay, now there's
22:30
Speaker 4: some concern, and I don't think it's anything like fear.
22:33
Speaker 4: I don't think it's anything like there's any disappointment or
22:40
Speaker 4: panic feeling of the season is down down the drain,
22:43
Speaker 4: or any panic. It's more just about concern because if
22:48
Speaker 4: you look at the games that we've lost, we've lost
22:50
Speaker 4: six games, you can make an argument that five of
22:54
Speaker 4: them came down to five plays. All five of those
22:57
Speaker 4: plays were wide receivers that dropped the ball or didn't
23:02
Speaker 4: make a play on the ball, or just didn't make
23:05
Speaker 4: a play. Now that doesn't mean that there aren't other
23:08
Speaker 4: factors well, whether it's the offensive lineman or other guys
23:11
Speaker 4: not running right route, or Patrick maybe getting too much
23:14
Speaker 4: pressure to safe. But it came down to five places.
23:18
Speaker 4: And as a former wide receiver, I don't have a
23:22
Speaker 4: problem saying that because I know what goes on in
23:25
Speaker 4: that meeting room. I know what the mice that is
23:27
Speaker 4: of wide receivers at this level, and sometimes you just
23:31
Speaker 4: gotta wail it. Like I played with Joe Montana for
23:33
Speaker 4: two years and guess what, anytime we didn't do anything
23:38
Speaker 4: on offense, it was our fault. It wasn't going to
23:40
Speaker 4: be his like, we know we know that going in.
23:43
Speaker 4: You know that when you play with a great quarterback,
23:46
Speaker 4: usually it's going to be your fault if things don't
23:49
Speaker 4: go well. And the wide receivers just haven't really stepped
23:52
Speaker 4: up to what I think they should be and taking
23:56
Speaker 4: some of this stuff personally, you would think that they
24:00
Speaker 4: would amp up their play and it just hasn't been
24:03
Speaker 4: able to transpire that way.
24:05
Speaker 1: Cheets radio broadcaster Danan Hughes as our guest. I want
24:08
Speaker 1: to talk about the O line because for the season,
24:10
Speaker 1: the Chiefs are among the NFL leaders in fewer sacks allowed,
24:14
Speaker 1: but it was a problem last week against the Raiders
24:16
Speaker 1: four sacks, giving up ten quarterback hits. I know the
24:19
Speaker 1: left tackles missed a few games with an injury. Was
24:22
Speaker 1: that just an outlier game or has the offensive line
24:26
Speaker 1: had some chinks in the armor in recent weeks.
24:30
Speaker 4: I'd say a mixture. I mean, I think when you
24:33
Speaker 4: become a team that is so heavy pass happy, that
24:38
Speaker 4: teams can roll the dice on the run game. And
24:42
Speaker 4: I understand and you guys probably are the same way
24:45
Speaker 4: because when you have the best player on the field,
24:47
Speaker 4: whether it's Joe Burrow when he was healthy or obviously
24:50
Speaker 4: Patrick Mahomes. Chances are the ball is going to be
24:53
Speaker 4: in that person's hands more times than not. So what
24:56
Speaker 4: we saw from the Raiders with MaTx Crossey on the
24:59
Speaker 4: outside is they just lined up and why techniques and
25:03
Speaker 4: basically said, we're going to try to run really fast
25:06
Speaker 4: around your tackles and if we don't get home, we're
25:10
Speaker 4: going to force Patrick Mahomes to step up into the
25:13
Speaker 4: pocket and that's where our big two guys are going
25:16
Speaker 4: to be in its safe. They only glitch one time
25:18
Speaker 4: in that game, and to me, that's a concern because
25:22
Speaker 4: if you're getting you've been around this game a long time.
25:25
Speaker 4: If you're getting pressure with four, that makes it truly
25:29
Speaker 4: an uphill battle for your offense to have any efficiency,
25:32
Speaker 4: and most times, really good defenses. If you look at
25:35
Speaker 4: the defenses in the past, whether it's the Ravens, the
25:39
Speaker 4: Buccaneers and years in the past, etc. It's usually because
25:42
Speaker 4: their front four are doing work so the other seven
25:46
Speaker 4: guys can take away all the passing lanes and confuse
25:49
Speaker 4: the quarterback. It's not because it's a blitz happy defense.
25:53
Speaker 4: So the fact that they were able to get pressure
25:56
Speaker 4: and it started immediately I mean we went three and out,
25:59
Speaker 4: three and out. He got sacked twice in the first
26:02
Speaker 4: two drives and it was just like an onslaught that
26:07
Speaker 4: I don't think we were prepared for. And I feel
26:09
Speaker 4: like that's kind of a recipe for some headache against
26:13
Speaker 4: us coming up. And when you guys, you look at
26:16
Speaker 4: your guys on the outside who's done a great job
26:19
Speaker 4: Heston and Hubbard in the past, Like I don't see
26:24
Speaker 4: why they wouldn't be watching that film last week and saying, hey,
26:27
Speaker 4: we can do what MaTx Crosby and those guys did.
26:30
Speaker 4: Move around and get up, feel fast, and play with
26:33
Speaker 4: that energizer Bunny tied up kind of mentality, and we
26:37
Speaker 4: got to be able to fix it. We got to
26:38
Speaker 4: be able to fix it immediately because we don't want
26:41
Speaker 4: to be in a situation where we have to go
26:44
Speaker 4: out to La to beat the Chargers to win the
26:47
Speaker 4: AFC West to get to the playoffs, Like it should
26:51
Speaker 4: not have to come down to that, and we're hoping
26:53
Speaker 4: we can write things this week.
26:56
Speaker 8: Defensively, I mean, this unit is playing extremely high level
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Speaker 8: number two in points allowed, and that's that's where the
27:04
Speaker 8: rubber meets the road right there. But Russo, number two
27:07
Speaker 8: in yards allowed, number two in first downs allowed. It
27:11
Speaker 8: it's just it's crazy. It's solid across the board. I mean,
27:15
Speaker 8: how good is this defensive football team?
27:19
Speaker 4: This defense, as far as I'm concerned, going back through history,
27:24
Speaker 4: I've been here since nineteen ninety three, I played with
27:27
Speaker 4: Derek Thomas, Neil Smith, you know, great defenders, great defensive
27:33
Speaker 4: teams back in the nineties, and then the tide turned.
27:37
Speaker 4: And then when even when Andy came and Alex Smith
27:40
Speaker 4: was our quarterback and then into Patrick Mahomes, it was
27:43
Speaker 4: always about the offense this year, Like, this defense is
27:48
Speaker 4: for real. And if our offense would have played up
27:52
Speaker 4: to anyway near the potential that they really have, or
27:55
Speaker 4: up the last year's production, like we'd be sitting here
27:59
Speaker 4: at you know, possibly with one loss on the season.
28:03
Speaker 4: So this defense is for real. The fact that they
28:07
Speaker 4: didn't allow a completed pass after the first quarter against
28:12
Speaker 4: the Raiders, like we only gave up eight points defensively
28:16
Speaker 4: in that game, that tells you something about this team.
28:20
Speaker 4: So yeah, this defense is doing everything they could possibly
28:24
Speaker 4: do to help this team win games. And quite honestly,
28:29
Speaker 4: I would have never thought if you'd have called me
28:31
Speaker 4: back in September and said, Dan, you know what, you
28:34
Speaker 4: guys are going to have nine wins, and you can
28:37
Speaker 4: argue that the defense is truly responsible for about six
28:41
Speaker 4: of them. I would have said, you're crazy. I would
28:43
Speaker 4: have actually drug tested. I said, no way, Patrick Mahomes and
28:47
Speaker 4: Travis Kelsey would allow that to happen. And lo and
28:49
Speaker 4: behold as we go into Week sixteen, that's literally what's happened.
28:54
Speaker 4: The best quarterback in the league, the best tight end
28:56
Speaker 4: of the league, playing back seat to this defense because
29:00
Speaker 4: we're playing what I would think. The Ravens may argue it,
29:04
Speaker 4: and they have a justified argument, but I say, as
29:07
Speaker 4: far as team consistent defense, we're playing as good as
29:11
Speaker 4: anybody or better than anybody in the NFL.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, Danny. My final question has to do with a
29:17
Speaker 1: member of that defense, Lagerius Sneid. Our offensive coordinator Brian
29:22
Speaker 1: Callahan was raving about him earlier today. I know he
29:25
Speaker 1: didn't practice due to injury. How good has Sneid been
29:29
Speaker 1: and is there a chance he will not be able
29:31
Speaker 1: to answer the bell on Sunday.
29:35
Speaker 4: I think it's going to be extremely, extremely tough to
29:38
Speaker 4: believe that he would not show up and be ready
29:41
Speaker 4: to play on Sunday against the Bengals, especially with everything
29:45
Speaker 4: that is on the line, and it kind of brings
29:47
Speaker 4: you to that the disappointment factor of when you have
29:52
Speaker 4: these guys like Isaiah Pacheco on offense, the Lagarius Snead
29:55
Speaker 4: on defense that have been nicked up. Nick Bolton is
30:00
Speaker 4: well still battling back from that risk injury. Had you
30:03
Speaker 4: won some of those games earlier this season that you
30:05
Speaker 4: should have one score game, got the ball late with
30:09
Speaker 4: an opportunity to win, whether it was the Detroit Lions
30:12
Speaker 4: up front, or even going back to that Eagles game
30:16
Speaker 4: and the Buffalo Bills game, you might have an opportunity
30:19
Speaker 4: to be able to bench these guys and say rest
30:21
Speaker 4: up for the playoffs. Well, you don't have that luxury anymore.
30:25
Speaker 4: We're not necessarily fighting for a number one seed. We're
30:29
Speaker 4: fighting for playoff positioning and playoff existence. So I feel
30:33
Speaker 4: like Lajarius Neeed definitely will be out on the field now.
30:36
Speaker 4: As far as his play, I got played with Dale
30:39
Speaker 4: Carter and James Hasty, Albert Lewis, I mean, like some
30:43
Speaker 4: great Chiefs corners that were locked down corners on one
30:48
Speaker 4: side of the field, and Lagarious Steed. The fact that
30:50
Speaker 4: he's able to do what he does against every number
30:53
Speaker 4: one receiver AJ Brown, Davonte Adams play. I mean, you
30:58
Speaker 4: go throughout the list of the receivers that he's played
31:01
Speaker 4: this season and shut them down on either side of
31:05
Speaker 4: the field. He's traveling with guys old school shows you
31:09
Speaker 4: how impressive he's been as a defensive back, and then
31:13
Speaker 4: his presence in the backfield on blitzes as well as
31:16
Speaker 4: like a nickel corner, like he's doing everything for this
31:19
Speaker 4: defense between he and Trent McDuffie has been extremely impressive.
31:24
Speaker 4: I'm looking forward to the matchup. You guys will probably
31:27
Speaker 4: have the top tandem receivers that will face this year
31:32
Speaker 4: and their hands will be full. But if it's any
31:35
Speaker 4: indication of what we've seen from him this season, he's
31:39
Speaker 4: gonna be ready for the challenge.
31:41
Speaker 8: Final question, Thanks for taking all the time you've taken
31:45
Speaker 8: with us. You've been unbelievable. And my question is, well,
31:49
Speaker 8: do you think there's any chance that we'll see Taylor
31:52
Speaker 8: Swift in the press box elevator?
31:57
Speaker 4: There as the possibility she was at the last home
32:00
Speaker 4: game she's been out to I say several of the
32:03
Speaker 4: games back then when we went up to New York
32:04
Speaker 4: in October Chicago when we played at home, so she's
32:08
Speaker 4: she's made our presence here from several games and with
32:12
Speaker 4: the holidays here, I can't imagine why she wouldn't be there.
32:16
Speaker 4: So we'll see that. You know, there's been in the
32:19
Speaker 4: earlier in the season. If you remember when she was
32:21
Speaker 4: around travit had great games, we were winning football games.
32:24
Speaker 4: Then the tide has turned a little bit where it
32:27
Speaker 4: hasn't been the same. So I don't know if they're
32:30
Speaker 4: superstitious or not, but I'm not superstitious at all. So
32:33
Speaker 4: I'll welcome her in the stadium. It gives us an
32:35
Speaker 4: extra boost with the fan base and it's got to
32:39
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