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Tourette Syndrome Interview - Autism Vs Tourettes · Aspergers & Autism Podcast [The Aspie World] AuDHD

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  You have arrived. Welcome to the Aspy world.
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  Here's where we talk about anything and everything ASD in
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  an upbeat and informative way. And now here's your man on the
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  spectrum, your autism ambassador, Daniel Morgan Jones.
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  Guys, what is going on? Oh my goodness, it's so good to
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  be back doing podcasts with people I really already know
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  because it's so much calmer, right?
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  So today my lovely guest is the awesome, the Netflix famous
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  comedian and all around Internet influencer.
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  Because look, Doctor Mike, right?
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  Like you're in pretty much all his videos.
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  So it's Pamela Schuler. I hope I said that right, Right.
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  Yeah, Schuler, like Mueller. Sure.
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  Like Mueller, right? But you didn't get a day off.
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  Like what? What?
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  I need a day off and. Well, we all did a day off.
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  Yeah, You're going to go to Mike's house and like, move in,
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  right? That's a good day off.
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  So if anybody doesn't know right, what the hell we're
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  talking about is Pamela and I, we met, oh God, about five years
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  ago, 2019, Oh my goodness, four years ago and five years ago for
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  what was it called? Link 20.
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  What was this thing called? It was at MIT, but I wonder
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  that. Yeah, just do.
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  Just do. That sounds way better.
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  Yeah, we were. Yeah.
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  We went to every tea together When?
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  I say, you know, we're alumni. You know what I mean?
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  Well, we're some kind of alumni. It might take.
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  Anyway, we had an MIT. We literally had no idea what
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  we're doing for like 10 days and we goofed about and then we got
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  some kind of weird qualification of it was great.
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  And we had a load of free food. The food was great.
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  Something makes me happier than an open like drink bar with
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  coffees and seltzers and sodas. And that's like the unlimited
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  beverages is my thing. The hype was.
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  Great. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, of
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  course. And, and they, I think what,
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  what else did we do? We went on like a couple of
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  fields we went to like the the Google place, right?
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  We went to the Google. They gave us, they gave us food.
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  It was, it was great. I think the coolest part was the
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  people we met. That was it for me because I'm
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  still friends with so many of the the crew from there.
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  Yeah, exactly. Like especially Ben, do you
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  remember Benj, is it Shepherd, the guy who was running the, he
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  was the MIT guy from ESPN. He's the social media VSPN.
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  Well, anyway, he he was one of the lecturers.
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  He was the main guy. Come on, Papa.
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  Yes, yeah. So I like I I talked to him
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  pretty. He he quoted on my book, right.
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  The guy's a ledge. I love the guy because he's just
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  as much as social media did as me.
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  So I was like, oh, man, he's a good guy.
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  And they're also trouble. We management for.
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  Yeah, Yeah. So quite George really funny.
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  Me and Alex, Alex Waldrich and James Rath.
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  We were in LA doing vidcom and we would get, we were in this
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  like crazy, like celebrity party and Jay Shetty and, and, you
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  know, Courtney were there. She was like, dude was like,
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  holy shit. Like we're all like, like, wait,
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  what's going on? Like, and it was just great
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  because we just like, it was just great.
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  It was like an impromptu MIT meet up.
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  Anyway, it was so good. And yeah, and yeah, it's just so
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  much. And I think so many of of the
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  alumni from there are in LA now. So this time I'm going back.
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  It's going to, it's going to be sick.
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  Emily Ledoux's in New York. We've we've got a good mix, but
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  yeah. That's right.
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  His little, his not a little. It was cool.
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  He did ATV like a series docu series that I was a part of.
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  I've seen it touched a bunch of the people.
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  Yeah, I think we did have a group chat at one point, but I,
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  I think I, I don't know if I still have that on my phone, but
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  anyway. But like, you know, most of the
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  people, I think we follow each other on socials and it's like
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  just dead cool to keep up with because it's like at least we're
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  all doing crazy shit. So that's the background of me.
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  How many of them know each other?
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  And we rowed on a on a big kind of like canoe thing, right?
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  The we end up. Rowing.
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  Yeah, we have to row. Just like a not the best idea to
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  put all of us with different disabilities in a rowboat.
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  And I never left. I don't I think I laughed so
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  hard I was crying like I have rest.
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  I'm 4 foot 6 1/2 between all of us.
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  Like we had James, who's blind, who was like, don't guys?
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  I'll hear Angel has one. We're like, it's like, OK, Angel
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  has like a robotic arm. Like which side are we going on?
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  Like, and she had that whole thing.
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  She had that like the ring thing.
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  I was like, dude, like she just kicked ass.
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  I was like sweating. She was like not even breaking a
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  sweat. I was.
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  Like, oh, I love doing it, but a little too short for it and it
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  kept knocking me backwards. But again, we like we leaned
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  into how funny it was. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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  I don't. I don't think I've ever laughed
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  as hard as that night on that. It was like because we had a BBQ
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  at the end of it, right? You what?
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  We had a BBQ at the end of it, remember?
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  Like there was a BBQ we had little sweet.
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  Tell you what, nobody told us how heavy those boats would be.
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  We had to carry them ourselves. Oh, I didn't help.
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  Oh, Princess Flipping Hamlet Anyway, but yes, so Pamela, I
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  invited Pamela onto the show because not only is she like
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  super funny and brilliant and beautiful, Pamela also has
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  Tourest syndrome, which he she spoke about, which is one of the
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  most interesting conditions. And Pamela.
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  But my first question right is, is, is Tourette A neurological
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  condition? Like, well, yeah, is that what's
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  classed as right neurological? Neurological disorder and it
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  means that that people do movements and noises that are
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  uncontrollable, that we call tics TICS, not TICKS.
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  Those are bugs, but I don't threats.
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  We all. It all looks different for all
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  of us. So not everyone yells bad words,
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  which is what like South Park likes you to think.
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  I've never got five people with threats.
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  Only one has an additional diagnosis of yelling words or
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  phrases. But all of us do uncontrollable
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  and repetitive movements and noises.
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  I have done that before. Oh man, that's interesting you
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  you said repetitive movements and noises.
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  So with autism, right? I have, so I have ticks, I have
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  to actually medication helps. The medication I'm on actually
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  helps reduce the amount of ticks because my tics are kind of like
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  nervous, I forget like super, super nervous.
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  And what's really interesting is that autistic individuals will
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  do things repetitively a lot of the time.
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  So I have like a lot of repetitive things that I do and,
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  and that's really interesting. Do you think there's like a a
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  crossover there between those types of behaviors and like
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  neurodevelopmental issues and autism?
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  I do, I have a number of friends who are autistic and we get to
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  compare and contrast and there's a bunch of things that we both
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  do. It just feels like it comes from
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  different reasons, if that makes sense.
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  Like Tourette's lives in a different part of the brain.
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  So Tourette's is more closely related to Parkinson's than
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  other things, at least for my reading.
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  But I'm not a doctor, so who really knows?
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  Get my comma phone. Ask him quick.
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  Questions for me all the time. I've doctor friends who
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  regularly receive pictures that I find on the Internet.
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  I'm just like, diagnosed it. So definitely overlap.
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  But I also, a lot of people with Tourettes have an, it's an
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  umbrella disorder, so we have other things.
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  So like I also have obsessive compulsive disorder.
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  There's a lot of overlap there, yeah.
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  Dude, that's like super interesting because like so
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  within autism you have all of these like the you have these Co
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  morbid Co occurring conditions, right?
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  And it kind of like you never really just no, no one ever goes
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  like hey, so you're only got some spectrum and that's it.
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  That's not the only badger carry, kind of like with the
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  treads in right. But really interesting.
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  You know, somebody asked me the other day, they said and I did
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  it. I think I did it on a TikTok in
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  a reply, somebody said, what is the worst like issue?
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  Like, you know, of all the issue you have, what's the worst
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  thing? What is it?
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  Something relates also blah, blah, blah.
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  I said by far the worst thing is having OCD because especially if
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  you're an autistic person, right, just from my and then I'm
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  going to ask, I'm going to get into this right now.
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  The reason I'm saying this, but there's you have OCD is
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  something that you have to do because you believe that if you
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  don't do it, something excessively terrible is going to
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  happen. You have this catastrophic
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  fantasy, right? And with autism and repetitive
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  behaviour or autistic OCD, you do things in a repetitive way
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  because you get enjoyment from those things like the Mario
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  Kondo thing, right? You do the things you get
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  enjoyment on them. You feel spark.
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  But I despise, I actually never use this word.
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  So apologies for it. I hate, that's the word I never
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  use. I hate OCD with a passion.
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  Like it's, it's like a it's like a vine that grows in your head.
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  It's like a disease. It's horrible.
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  And it's the most debilitating part of my conditions of all of
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  them. It is so, so talk to me about
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  OCD. What's your OCD like?
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  What's your experience with it? If you're OK, if you're
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  comfortable to talk about. Oh.
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  I'm an open book, so I like to say that at any given time, one
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  of the two is in the driver's seat.
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  Either Tourette's is in the driver's seat or OCD is in the
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  driver's seat, and sometimes they work together.
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  I have plenty of jokes about how they're back.
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  Twins. Yeah.
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  Oh my. Gosh, or like, or sometimes it
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  works in my favorite, one of my favorite stories is I was coming
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  back from a show alone at New York Penn Station at 3:00 in the
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  morning and you don't want to make eye contact with anyone at
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  any o'clock in the day at New York Penn Station.
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  And I accidentally made eye contact with the gentleman.
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  And because I have Tourette's, I winked at him and he like
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  started walking towards me and then he kicked in and I winked
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  at him 44 more times and he like turned around and walked away
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  and I was like, Oh my God. OCD for the assessed.
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  I was going to say, yeah, they just won, yeah.
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  He was like, even that's too weird for me and he pieced out,
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  which I appreciate. But IOCD, when it's bad, it is a
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  struggle. And I have a great team of
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  people in my world to help manage it.
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  I've got, you know, great psychiatrists, psychologists,
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  neurologists, all the yet all of them.
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  Ologists. Yeah.
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  Right, I pull in help when I need it.
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  That's really interesting. How do you how do you find like
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  cuz on a day-to-day basis, the OOCD like I, I try my best.
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  I'm working with a therapist right now and it's amazing.
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  She's got ADHD. Our sessions are just absolutely
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  off the chance. But like because AHD annexing
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  right? About OCD but you end painting a
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  ceiling. Yeah, dude, we, we were both in
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  a different country by the end of the conversation, right?
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  But yeah, yeah. And it was like, what the fuck?
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  Honestly, the amount of like digression in those sessions,
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  honestly, we, we booked it. It's supposed to be like 1/2 an
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  hour session, but they end up being like an hour and a half
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  because of all the bullshit. We'd anyway, she's a lovely
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  woman, but she's ADC. It's amazing.
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  So, well, she's so she's working with at the moment.
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  So I kind of how come it was some of the big ones I have and
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  like, some of the big ones I have are like are like the
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  specific, this is the worst one, right?
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  I got to say the worst one. So, and it happened from trauma,
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  right? I remember I was taking a shower
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  when I in the first apt I was in, I was taking a shower in the
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  apartment. I had music blasting because
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  like, you know, when you're living alone, you're like, yeah.
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  So I had music playing. I was in the shower.
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  And then I got, I come out of the shower and it's like
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  everything's great. And then I, I make myself like
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  a, a sausage sandwich, you know, very British.
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  And then I get this like, yeah, it's amazing.
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  And then I get this, I get this like phone call from my
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  girlfriend's mother saying unfortunately her father had
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  just dropped dead. And I was like, oh, shoot.
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  So I was like, damn. Anyway, So then every time I
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  went to go for a shower after this, I can't listen to music.
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  Right. But then what happens with the
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  OCD is that it it's not only I can't listen to music, I Can't
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  Sing in the shower and I can't listen to music in my head with
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  OCD Mate an awesome. I'm just like there's always a
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  song in my head, right? So I'm like, I'm scared to go to
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  the shower. It's like holy, not like I
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  shower every single day, but I'm just saying going to the shower
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  comes to task. So to me like that how to build
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  taken. Would that be right?
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  If you think I can't even shower after having a run because I'm
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  scared that it's going to kill my family members right?
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  Like and it sounds crazy you say out loud.
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  And you're like, that's not just someone else with those CG.
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  Yeah, exactly right. I'm like the idea.
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  You know what? I mean, like it sounds when you
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  say it to yourself, you're like, I mean, say, but you're not
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  right? You're just, you're battling
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  with this, like this, this, I don't know, It's like a power
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  struggle, right? When I was a kid, OCD.
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  So when when I was a kid I had a very severe case of tourettes.
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  I still have a severe case but it's less noticeable to everyone
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  else at this point. I feel it constantly, often
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  hurts but it's not as noticeable as a kid.
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  Like broke my neck from throwing my head back.
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  Was out of school for years and OCD was just as bad and as a
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  like in middle school I used to set an alarm clock for every
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  hour in the night as a kid to smell the carpet to see if there
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  was a fire. I used to wake up in the middle
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  of the night and walk around my whole house and check every door
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  knob to see if there was a fire. I had a real fear of axe
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  murders. I don't even know the way to
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  murder people anymore, but I had it and it wasn't.
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  Murder if you're a fireman. I was like, specifically axe
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  murders. And so like every night I would
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  open my doors and yell, I see you.
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  I'm calling the police because I believed that if there was an
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  axe murderer who heard me say that, they'd be like, this would
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  be scaffolding. One saw me.
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  I got to go. I got to not do a murder.
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  Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I get it.
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  It makes so much sense. But you know what's crazy?
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  Like it, it's scary how I totally get out.
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  I'm like, yeah, yeah, dude, like I'm with you all the way because
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  like, it makes sense. Like I'm like, yeah, bad.
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  You stay away. I'll come and shout down the
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  hallway. You know, one of the ones that I
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  think it's OK when you're in like your home, right?
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  Like going in and out of the shower and doing all this stuff.
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  But like one of the worst ones is I like to run 5 kilometers or
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  6 kilometers. Otherwise in miles, like 3-4
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  miles, I don't know. And when I'm running, when I
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  come off the sidewalk onto the road and then back on, I have to
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  use like left right foot first and left foot back on.
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  But some sort of mess this up. Yeah.
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  But then he like, and then I have to go back to the start and
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  then I go, well, how far back do I go?
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  And then I'm like, honestly, dude, like so a 20 minute run
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  could take a couple of hours easy.
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  And I'm like, and people look at you like, what is this guy
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  doing? You know, all these people like,
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  I don't know. Mr. Jones is walking his dog.
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  He's like, what are you doing, man?
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  I'm like, yeah. And you panic because you feel
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  like you look like an idiot, right?
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  And so I think being and, you know, having public, having
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  issues that you have when you're out in public, you can't control
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  and you'll know exactly. You know, it's probably the most
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  like, you die a little bit inside, don't you?
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  Yeah, I just did a keynote about how what I sometimes bark from
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  Tourette's and how barking taught me everything I need to
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  know about fear. Because it was so scary to just
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  be in public for so many years with the fear of barking or
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  barking in public, and how that changed my perception of the
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  world. And now I've leaned into it.
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  If I'm going to bark, I'm going to bark.
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  But it was like a whole journey of kind of embracing the fear
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  around just being myself. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
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  And you got you got to just kind of go, I always call it the John
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  Tucker theory, right? Have you seen John Tucker Must
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  die that movie? OK, so if there's a part of the
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  movie where this the girl this because he's sleeping with all
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  those girls, right? And they're all trying to get
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  all back. And he's a nice looking dude and
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  but he's a bit of a jock, right? Or he's a typical Chad.
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  So they're like, oh, we're going to get rid of all his underwear
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  and replace it with girl phones, right?
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  Like, you know, really tight panties.
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  And so he goes the only thing. So he's wearing these panties
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  and he goes to basketball practice and all the dudes are
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  like, yeah, And there are all the dudes like, dude, like, why?
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  They're really weird panties. They're trying to embarrass him.
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  And then he's like, dude, these have given me so much more
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  freedom to play basketball. Like, you need to get yourself
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  there. And then all the dudes just
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  like, OK, well, this guy makes sense.
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  You have to own it. You have to embrace it.
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  It's called the John Tucker syndrome.
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  That's what I call it anyway. And you have to write.
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  That's the only way to deal with it, Right.
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  OK, so two things. A second question, but something
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  really interesting. I back in my sleep also, which
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  is really interesting. And I, I don't even know why.
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  Like I've always. Done.
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  I love that if we first of all can we hanging out we somehow
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  are like mirrored but the same. Like like, you know, it's funny
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  like like ex girlfriends, like you were barking and you sleep.
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  I'm like, oh, weird. It's like, I swear I'm not a
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  werewolf. Like, I swear.
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  Like, was it? Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly.
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  Like, yeah. So you like it?
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  You. Know at my show yesterday,
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  nobody sat in the front row, which is so normal.
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  And I'm not like I'm I do typical stand up, but this was
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  like comedy and storytelling about inclusion and mental
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  health, which is really how I make living at this point.
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  I do companies and schools and everything, but nobody in the
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  front row. And without even thinking about
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  it, I said I bark, but I don't bite.
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  Did like I I bet their reaction was a bit like like.
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  A number of confusions. Before so I OK, but anyway,
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  yeah, they they were scared of you like jumping down to the
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  stage and just singing a Chuck down on the knee.
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  Russian. I'm not going to bark and then
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  bite you. Although here's the deal.
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  Yeah, it depends how tester. You look right, right.
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  Yeah, it. Depends.
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  Don't piss me off, but it's it's funny, like the barking thing,
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  like and then so I just kind of like adopted it something I do.
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  And so like, especially when like when like my current
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  girlfriend was like, yeah, you're back in your sleep.
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  And I'm like, yeah. What the heck?
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  I'm like, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah, it thumbs up.
• 16:54
  The Love Hot 1's pretty cool, right?
• 16:55
  It's like, can you do it? Amazing.
• 17:05
  That was so cool. OK.
• 17:07
  So like my question is how does Tourette's impact your life
• 17:14
  performances or if at all? It does and it's kind of
• 17:19
  different. So one of the things with
• 17:20
  Tourette's is it's constantly, for me at least, shifting and
• 17:23
  evolving. So I might have one tick for a
• 17:25
  week or a month and then it changes.
• 17:28
  And so little things like I request a hands free microphone
• 17:30
  if my set is longer than 10 minutes because my hands tick
• 17:34
  more than any other part of my body.
• 17:35
  They're constantly I, I haven't held a pen or pencil in 25
• 17:38
  years, so I'll often hold a mic in the Crest of my hand or like
• 17:42
  in this Crest of my arm if they don't have one for me.
• 17:45
  Sometimes stress effects my breathing because it right like
• 17:49
  the way I talk and breathe. And so I when that's a tick
• 17:52
  that's happening, I will get dizzy mid state, like mid show.
• 17:56
  If I'm doing, I do like an hour 15.
• 17:58
  So you know, 40. No one wants to hear me talk
• 18:02
  that long, truly. Would it be yourself up?
• 18:05
  My family will constantly be like, we don't understand why
• 18:08
  people pay you to talk. We have to listen to it.
• 18:09
  And I was like exactly. I get the same argument.
• 18:13
  Honestly. Tell me about.
• 18:15
  It so it's like kind of it's always shifting sometimes.
• 18:20
  Well, I always wear like good flat shoes on stage because
• 18:22
  otherwise I will weeble wobble and I will fall down.
• 18:27
  But it's always shifting and I kind of have to like, look at
• 18:29
  what shows are that week and what Tourette's is doing and
• 18:32
  come up with a game plan. Geez.
• 18:34
  So, so you have, you have to evolve with it, right?
• 18:36
  Like it's a, it's a yeah, yeah. That's why I think I'm so
• 18:39
  innovative and creative because I'm doing it just to live in my
• 18:41
  own world and then I my career too.
• 18:45
  Dude, that's so clever. Like I, I think you know, like
• 18:49
  like I don't have like none of my ticks present themselves.
• 18:51
  Like I've never been on stage on how to tick right.
• 18:53
  But like, and I guess like the ticks that come with are very
• 18:56
  like few and far between. And it's kind of rare, right?
• 19:00
  But when you're dealing with it on a daily basis, like you must
• 19:02
  be able to just think like, OK, what's what I'm gonna do to
• 19:04
  overcome this? Or I'm gonna So you make your
• 19:06
  own systems, right? Yeah, and I tick, you might not
• 19:09
  see it a ton on zip. I'm ticking at least every
• 19:11
  second. I mean, it's it is something
• 19:13
  that my body is ticking constantly.
• 19:17
  And so yeah, I have to like kind of name it, be honest with it
• 19:21
  and then come up with a game plan.
• 19:23
  But I like, yeah, that's a lot. And it's hard.
• 19:26
  And it's like sometimes my body really hurts or is tired or even
• 19:30
  in pain, which I just said hurts.
• 19:31
  So twice I said that. But sometimes I have to, like,
• 19:35
  get really a lot. I get creative, but that
• 19:37
  translates into my world. And like, I have a whole living
• 19:41
  now as a creative human because I think I would kind of meet the
• 19:45
  world where it is, just like I have to meet myself where it is.
• 19:47
  Does that make sense? Yeah, 100% because it's.
• 19:49
  Like a thing, but. Rather rather than missing
• 19:52
  another emotional life each go. Well, look, these are the caps
• 19:54
  I'm dealt. This is my life.
• 19:55
  This is who I am, right? I'm gonna do it because like me,
• 19:57
  I count. I'm sorry.
• 19:58
  Go ahead. No, no, please.
• 20:00
  That's I have a masters in advocacy and what I work with
• 20:03
  communities I like, I'll often do a show and then workshops.
• 20:05
  So with companies, I'll do training and, and, or like
• 20:08
  summer camps, I'll work with summer camp staff.
• 20:09
  And a lot of what I talk about is how we can use creativity to
• 20:12
  meet people where they are because every single person is
• 20:15
  so incredibly different. And so creativity is about
• 20:17
  trying two or three things. And if it doesn't work, trying
• 20:20
  three more until we can set that person up for success, which is
• 20:23
  what I. You like split testing the, the,
• 20:28
  the, the hands, right? I think it's, I think it's
• 20:34
  really interesting because like, you know, a lot of people will
• 20:36
  like, and I have this thing I say like, you know, God has put
• 20:40
  you on this for a reason, right? You're here for a reason, right?
• 20:42
  And you have a thing to follow through with, right?
• 20:44
  You have a plan. And so life is happening for
• 20:47
  you. It's not happening to you.
• 20:48
  And you know, there's a reason why that, you know, you have
• 20:51
  text. There's reason why my brain is a
• 20:52
  bit messed up sometimes because we're supposed to learn from
• 20:55
  this, right? Because like in school you learn
• 20:56
  and then you take a test, but God gives you a test and then
• 20:58
  you learn, right? Like that's how I view the
• 21:00
  universe, right? And I'm like, Oh, damn.
• 21:02
  So I always think to myself, like, you can never really be
• 21:04
  yourself up too much and be like, oh, you know, I feel like
• 21:07
  I just go, OK, what are the cards I've got?
• 21:09
  You know, like, let's go play Uno, man, have I got a reverse
• 21:12
  card today? You don't, you don't know.
• 21:13
  I'm like, I like. That.
• 21:15
  Yeah, it's, it's, it's kind of like it's the it's the thing
• 21:17
  that keeps me going, right? It's having faith in that.
• 21:19
  And when people say faith, I think that's what they truly
• 21:21
  mean. It's like knowing that there's a
• 21:22
  bigger purpose to you, right? And I think that's a really cool
• 21:25
  thing to remember. But yeah.
• 21:27
  And that for everything that makes life harder, it also adds
• 21:29
  something to my world when I allow it to.
• 21:31
  Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like it, it can.
• 21:35
  Yeah. Because you said, oh, it's
• 21:36
  evolving, it's changing. It's it's dynamic.
• 21:37
  Like there's so many things and, and people learn from you from
• 21:40
  doing it. Maybe that's the point, you
• 21:41
  know, who knows? But I think not like not beating
• 21:45
  yourself up about the things that you believe or you perceive
• 21:48
  them could potentially be detrimental to an average
• 21:51
  person, Right. But who the Hell's average?
• 21:52
  You know what I mean? Like average is boring anyway.
• 21:54
  I'd rather be extraordinary. Matter of how much you hide it.
• 21:58
  Yeah, yeah, yeah. Everybody's weird.
• 22:00
  Are they axe murderers everywhere?
• 22:01
  You know I'm joking. I'm.
• 22:02
  Joking a lot of believes they aren't weird.
• 22:03
  Oh that scares me. What are you hiding?
• 22:07
  Yeah, yeah, I'm totally normal. Get him out.
• 22:10
  Like, yeah, yeah. It's not true that that guy
• 22:14
  would own an axe. Like that's where it comes from.
• 22:16
  Right, that's the axe murderer. Yeah, exactly.
• 22:20
  It's the finance. Yeah, yeah, Carl from Finance
• 22:23
  like quick get security on the Quad.
• 22:28
  What? Take it back.
• 22:29
  All right, Yeah, I don't know John from finals.
• 22:33
  There you go. Here we go.
• 22:34
  That ones like everyone's a John.
• 22:36
  Literally John. Peterson from finals.
• 22:41
  He's got a fishing boat. He goes on the weekends down the
• 22:43
  Hudson. Yeah, exactly.
• 22:46
  It's where he disposes the bodies of my gums.
• 22:47
  But instead snap, I'm joking the Mr. Beaumont now Anyway, the I
• 22:52
  totally got on the tangent about bullshit.
• 22:54
  Pamela, the question that every the world has an ellipse of the
• 22:57
  case. Second question.
• 22:57
  First question. Everyone was like, why are you
• 22:59
  so short? I'm joking.
• 23:00
  The second I'm joking, I'm joking I.
• 23:03
  Made her child just asked me that.
• 23:05
  The one next door she goes, why are you so short?
• 23:06
  And I said I forgot to grow. No, she actually asked you.
• 23:09
  So people asked me that I was only.
• 23:10
  Joking just mean questions. Yeah, it sounds like somebody
• 23:14
  needs to put some spicy candy through the door.
• 23:16
  You know what I'm saying? Like die, you need to purchase
• 23:20
  an axe. And I'm joking.
• 23:21
  I'm joking, by the way. I'm not condoning murder or
• 23:23
  anything like that. Anyway, I'm on it, man.
• 23:26
  You know, the question is, did you find a date on Netflix?
• 23:32
  So for those who don't know, I was on Netflix's Jewish
• 23:36
  Matchmaking. I did not audition to be on a
• 23:39
  Netflix reality dating show. The matchmaker and someone else
• 23:43
  from the team saw me performing in LA years ago and asked me to
• 23:46
  do this. And I went out on a date with a
• 23:49
  gentleman named Stuart. And I did not find love, but I
• 23:53
  found a a friendship and a good time and I learned a lot about
• 23:56
  myself. Oh, that sounds like one of
• 23:59
  those. Idiots and I found pride in
• 24:01
  dating with a disability on Netflix on a show that wasn't
• 24:03
  about just dating people with the same disability.
• 24:06
  Interesting, Yeah, because there's AI know a few people who
• 24:08
  are on a show called Love on the Spectrum.
• 24:12
  And and that's yeah, we've got a lot to say and I would only get
• 24:15
  that, but. Yeah, but but that's just people
• 24:17
  on the spectrum, right? Which is kind of like, to me,
• 24:19
  it's like chicken, chicken fights, right?
• 24:20
  You just put chickens in the cage and you're gonna fight.
• 24:22
  You've been to the same disability, you know, like why
• 24:25
  did? Why is the broader view here?
• 24:26
  You know, and no offense, I love each and everyone of you guys,
• 24:28
  but you know. Also like just because I'm
• 24:31
  tourettes doesn't mean I only date and also probably shouldn't
• 24:35
  date someone with tourettes because we.
• 24:37
  Banging heads, yeah. Yeah, I'm it's true.
• 24:41
  So many jokes about I dated like I was sort of a palsy and gosh,
• 24:44
  we like both broke our noses the first time we tried to care.
• 24:49
  That's sick. I'm sorry everybody.
• 24:52
  No, I'm joking. This is probably she's amazing.
• 24:53
  You have to check out her social.
• 24:55
  How? How can people find you online?
• 24:56
  Like where do you? Where can people find your
• 24:58
  content? Great question.
• 25:00
  They can find me stalking you because I love everything you
• 25:02
  can do. But they can also find me at
• 25:06
  Pamela. Comedy is my Instagram and
• 25:08
  TikTok and my website ispamelacomedy.com.
• 25:11
  Oh nice, I'm going to actually link everything down below.
• 25:13
  So I'm on YouTube watching this I'll link it down below but
• 25:16
  anybody on the other socials I will link her handles down
• 25:18
  below. You just follow through just.
• 25:21
  Handle the comedy, but truly, I don't remember right now.
• 25:25
  I don't know, the last video I saw where you on YouTube was you
• 25:27
  would do some of the document taste testing something I think
• 25:30
  or you would, I don't know. You do knock a challenge with
• 25:32
  Mike and I was like, are these two good?
• 25:33
  There was never yes, we were the Vitamix one.
• 25:36
  We were he. I had one he mentioned in what
• 25:38
  was store bought. Yeah, that was it.
• 25:40
  That was it. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 25:41
  And it was really interesting. But yeah, Mike, what a hell of a
• 25:44
  guy. Anyway, so you got any plans to
• 25:46
  do any more stuff with Netflix or is that just like a one off
• 25:49
  thing? Stay tuned.
• 25:53
  I love it. I love it, man.
• 25:54
  The tea is real, man. I love it.
• 25:57
  OK, well, look, if you fancy coming to LA for a couple of
• 26:00
  days, I'm there in June. In June, The end of June for
• 26:02
  Vidcon. I'm talking of Vidcon.
• 26:03
  So we're going to come and hang out.
• 26:04
  Me and Alex will be there, and I think I'm going to hang out with
• 26:07
  Angel. And maybe I can't remember his
• 26:14
  name now. Why don't remember his name?
• 26:16
  Our friend who's blind. James Ross.
• 26:18
  James Ross. What the fuck?
• 26:19
  Sorry, James, You're listening. If I don't go to this, will you
• 26:22
  all just still send me videos of you having fun without me so I
• 26:25
  can pretend like I was there? Sure, naked selfies.
• 26:27
  Are they cool? Yeah, exactly what I wanted.
• 26:30
  Yeah, I'll put them. There you go.
• 26:31
  I would like videos, please. It's Vidcon.
• 26:33
  Thank you. And it's true.
• 26:34
  It's true. We can get.
• 26:35
  Yeah, we're gonna have high production value as well, right?
• 26:37
  Because, like, it's videographer galore.
• 26:39
  So yeah, we'll get something somewhere, you know, what's our
• 26:41
  room, you know, really, CD, you know, but high production cost.
• 26:44
  Thank you so much. Of course.
• 26:48
  Oh my gosh, we're going to get the tanning business and
• 26:50
  everything. It'll be so good.
• 26:51
  You know, be like check out James Rath like you've never
• 26:54
  seen him before, you know, nor is he now.
• 26:56
  I'm joking, James, I love you. It's so funny.
• 26:58
  He he got Apple vision pro and Alex was like dude, you can't
• 27:02
  even see like what are you doing?
• 27:04
  It's like. He's brilliant though.
• 27:08
  James is amazing. Everyone there was so much
• 27:11
  cooler than I'll ever be, and I think that was my favorite part
• 27:13
  of it. No, dude, I swear.
• 27:15
  Do you know what I think two things.
• 27:17
  I had two observations from from my MIT drip.
• 27:19
  The first one was that everybody was hot balloons, balloons, man.
• 27:23
  The first one, everybody was hot, right?
• 27:24
  We were all good looking dudes and chicks and like it was a
• 27:27
  good looking team. And I thought, hey, they
• 27:29
  selected us on purpose to be nice looking, right?
• 27:32
  It's true. Come on, like think about it,
• 27:34
  right. And then and then the second
• 27:35
  thing was that everyone was cool as fuck.
• 27:38
  Like nobody was there was nobody inferior or superior.
• 27:41
  We were all like, like ahead of a game, you know, I was like.
• 27:44
  Yeah, those things were a good time.
• 27:45
  I it that was like a really fun chunk of time in in our lives.
• 27:49
  Yeah. Like, yeah, I, I love it.
• 27:52
  And like, I think I'll always like, I always carry because I'm
• 27:55
  always like, oh, you know, sometimes I think to myself,
• 27:57
  like, am I doing the right thing?
• 27:58
  Is my, is my work, you know, working?
• 28:00
  Am I helping people improve their lives?
• 28:02
  And I'm thinking back to that time when we were there and then
• 28:03
  and MIT, they were like, you're all here because you do
• 28:05
  something impactful to people, right?
• 28:06
  And I'm like, oh shit. Because we went through a crazy
• 28:08
  intense interview process, remember?
• 28:10
  Yeah, because it was a free program at MIT.
• 28:12
  If you got in, it was it was the pilot year.
• 28:14
  So they paid for travel, hotel, meals, everything.
• 28:17
  Awesome. Dude the scholarship alone was
• 28:19
  like 80 grand, do you know that? No.
• 28:21
  Wow, that's bonkers. Like, that's great.
• 28:24
  Serious. But like, yeah, the Ruderman
• 28:26
  Foundation are amazing. Like Jane Ruderman.
• 28:28
  Like, I still have him on, like, Twitter.
• 28:30
  And I'm like, what a guy. What a guy.
• 28:33
  And his wife was hot as hell. Well, what was her name?
• 28:37
  I can't remember her name now. Missus Ruderman.
• 28:40
  I miss this ruder bed now I don't.
• 28:43
  I don't remember offhand and I feel bad now.
• 28:46
  Oh, I'm going to feel bad when this comes out.
• 28:47
  But she's lovely. I've met her more than I've met
• 28:49
  then. She is amazing, like what a
• 28:52
  woman and like just this powerhouse, you know, it's like
• 28:55
  really like beautiful. That woman comes in like, yeah,
• 28:56
  you know, we're going to do this program.
• 28:58
  MOT. I'm like, oh, dude, I felt
• 28:59
  inferior that I was like, yeah, who is this person?
• 29:02
  But it was great. It was a great time and very
• 29:04
  blessed to have had that experience and to share that
• 29:06
  time with you guys. You know, like it was great.
• 29:08
  You know what a good bunch of people.
• 29:10
  I think we'll be in each other's lives forever, which is kind of
• 29:12
  nice to meet forever people. Something like that, yeah.
• 29:15
  That do not that that is it. That's for me.
• 29:18
  That's life. OK, so I'm going to fly to New
• 29:20
  York at one point in the next couple of months.
• 29:22
  So I'm going to I'll I'll text you and just tell you when I'm
• 29:25
  going to be in that part of the world of North America and
• 29:28
  everything. Hang out.
• 29:29
  Pamela. Thank you.
• 29:30
  Shalom Mothertrapia. Thank you for having me, this
• 29:34
  has been really fun. You're the best.
• 29:36
  It's my pleasure. Thank you so much, dude.
• 29:39
  Hey guys, thank you so much for checking out this podcast.
• 29:41
  Make sure you are subscribed because there are people
• 29:43
  listening right now who are not subscribed to this podcast.
• 29:45
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• 29:47
  OK guys, See you in the next one.
• 29:49
  Peace.