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Episode 169: The Good/Bad of AI Art & Social Media with Hermes Auslander · Chucks Cantina

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  Speaker 1: This is Chuck's Cantina podcast where anything and everything is
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  Speaker 1: up for discussion, and now here's your barman, Chuck O'Donnell.
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  Speaker 2: I'm hearing you as long as you're hearing me, and
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  Speaker 2: I'm not hearing an echo on myself.
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  Speaker 3: I think we're all good.
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  Speaker 4: You know, I can hear yourself talk.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, who does.
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  Speaker 4: I don't I get like in voice because I'm trying
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  Speaker 4: to get into that. But like with voice acting, like
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  Speaker 4: other podcasts like they always like want to have their
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  Speaker 4: their volume and stuff like in their ears. I'm just
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  Speaker 4: like no, I just like I just watch the soundbar
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  Speaker 4: as long as as long as the guests can hear
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  Speaker 4: me and I can see my sound boars. No, the
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  Speaker 4: red I'm good. One of my one of my his
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  Speaker 4: his nickname is O. G. Patron, That's that's what his
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  Speaker 4: nickname is in my show. He has it like that
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  Speaker 4: and I'm like, how does it not drive you crazy?
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  Speaker 4: And he goes you just you just you just get
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  Speaker 4: used to it.
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  Speaker 2: I'm like, no, with the virtual stuff, yeah, I mean
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  Speaker 2: when it's in house. I like it when we're all
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  Speaker 2: talking amongst each other and we can all hear each other,
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  Speaker 2: right head phones correctly, but yeah, digitally, it's just there's
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  Speaker 2: it's just yeah, it's too weird. It's like a phone
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  Speaker 2: call that you're hearing yourself and it's just not okay,
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  Speaker 2: right exactly.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, like like you said, like in a like
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  Speaker 4: professional like virtual yeah, but like you know, like my
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  Speaker 4: wife can really saying what I talk sometimes because I
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  Speaker 4: don't shut the hell up, So why would I want
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  Speaker 4: to hear myself talk for an hour? Exactly? I mean
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  Speaker 4: this is usually how it goes anyway. We usually don't
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  Speaker 4: have like a like welcome to the proper show. It's
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  Speaker 4: just welcome to Chuck's Cantina. That's usually how it goes.
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  Speaker 4: I'm your barnment host where they want to call me
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  Speaker 4: to ord skin to it, I'm your barmin host for
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  Speaker 4: the hell call me Chuck. This is episode what are
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  Speaker 4: we on? One sixty nine? Nice and uh as always
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  Speaker 4: thanks to join us. You can find us at Chuck
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  Speaker 4: Santina on your socials, Chuckscanteen, Jimo dot com if you
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  Speaker 4: want to reach out to the show or information, or
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  Speaker 4: you can find me on pot match as well, which
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  Speaker 4: is actually how me and my guest today actually had
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  Speaker 4: found each other. Would you care to introduce yourself.
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  Speaker 3: Sure.
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  Speaker 2: How however, however this goes, I'm always terrible at I'm
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  Speaker 2: not myself.
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  Speaker 4: No, No, I was gonna read your profile, but I'm like,
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  Speaker 4: I don't know if I could do it justice because
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  Speaker 4: I was like, I was telling my wife about this
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  Speaker 4: the other day and she's like, how are you gonna
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  Speaker 4: do that? I'm like, I don't know, I'm pretty good.
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  Speaker 4: I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, it's like I was like,
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  Speaker 4: I read it, and I like, I said, you and
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  Speaker 4: I barely talked online. I just read your profile. I'm like, yeah,
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  Speaker 4: you're in.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, well, the canteena seems like the place that you
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  Speaker 2: would meet the alien, you know, as soon as we
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  Speaker 2: get all of our interstellar travel you know worked out
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  Speaker 2: for you know, as as far as Earth is concerned,
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  Speaker 2: and we actually have this cantina set up at you know, available.
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  Speaker 2: I think this is exactly what it's gonna sound like.
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  Speaker 2: Is they're gonna see a lot of overlap. Because when
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  Speaker 2: I was looking at your profile, I saw the same thing.
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  Speaker 2: I was like, oh, yeah, this seems cool. You know,
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  Speaker 2: you're gonna maybe have a couple favorite beverages because who
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  Speaker 2: knows what you're you know romulan Ale. Maybe it's your
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  Speaker 2: favorite one. So like, let's let's figure let's talk about
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  Speaker 2: what we like to drink and why we're all at
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  Speaker 2: the CANTEENA I was like, yeah, that sounds like a
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  Speaker 2: blast to me. So so I'm in. But like I said,
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  Speaker 2: I'm terrible at introducing myself.
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  Speaker 4: Then I can I can do my I can do
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  Speaker 4: it justice for you. Let me so my guest today,
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  Speaker 4: every real quick, I apologize, should ask you this, how
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  Speaker 4: do you pronounce is a Hermes? It is probably for
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  Speaker 4: the reason I asked is actually I went to a
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  Speaker 4: high school with a Hermes and uh and like he
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  Speaker 4: would just he would like, you hate everyone. Some people
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  Speaker 4: call me her mess Hermes. I'm like, that's it's Hermes.
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  Speaker 4: But like some people he would just say call me
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  Speaker 4: herm anyway, So we're getting onto it. My guest today,
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  Speaker 4: I'm I'm like reading this and I'm like, how do
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  Speaker 4: I like? Like, it's a good intro, it's a really
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  Speaker 4: good it's a good profile. So uh is a like myself.
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  Speaker 4: Fellow podcast house host one from the scuttle Butt podcast.
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  Speaker 4: You can find their podcast wherever you find your podcast.
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  Speaker 4: You know, is an artist if you will objective, you know, outsider,
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  Speaker 4: you know also is the best way to say it.
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  Speaker 4: You're just an alien. You're just an alien. You know,
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  Speaker 4: you're visiting Earth for a while until you get bored
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  Speaker 4: here kid, Sorry, what's about to come up here? In
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  Speaker 4: a couple of months, you might leave, so you know,
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  Speaker 4: I mean I saw some of your work on your website,
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  Speaker 4: which you could find some of their portfolio art on
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  Speaker 4: hermesaucelander dot com. You know, you have a passion for
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  Speaker 4: visual arts. And you somehow infiltrate the US military, which
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  Speaker 4: we'll get that to in a second, unless that's just
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  Speaker 4: a joke, and then I'll bleep that on a minute.
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  Speaker 4: And yeah, you have trouble much of the planets. You
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  Speaker 4: see many of your wonders, and uh yeah, I appreciate
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  Speaker 4: and I appreciate your last bunch assus. Where the opinion?
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  Speaker 4: Please don't feel the messenger, because that's something I always say.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, I always say on this podcast or in
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  Speaker 4: this canteen and everything to say, because talk about anything,
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  Speaker 4: I always try to avoid politics. If it comes up,
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  Speaker 4: I'll be like, yeah, sure, cool, bye, Okay, let's go
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  Speaker 4: on the next subject. But yeah, no, welcome to the show.
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  Speaker 3: Well, I'm happen to be here.
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  Speaker 2: That was a much better introduction than I could ever do,
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  Speaker 2: So I appreciate that.
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  Speaker 3: Is it Charles or Chuck? I mean I both.
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  Speaker 4: I always say, I go, I mean by the show's
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  Speaker 4: Chuck's cantina, so too Shui Chuck. But like I always say, whatever,
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  Speaker 4: I always tell anyone whatever makes it easier on you, you
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  Speaker 4: can call me that. Just don't call me Chucky, because no,
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  Speaker 4: I do not look like a little terrifying doll. I
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  Speaker 4: look like a giant, freaking bear. So and I don't
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  Speaker 4: know why, because I actually enjoy those Chucky movies. But like,
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  Speaker 4: I don't know why the word the name Chucky. I
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  Speaker 4: think actually I don't know. If you're a football guy,
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  Speaker 4: I think for me it was actually because I don't
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  Speaker 4: know if you ever heard of the coach in John
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  Speaker 4: Gruden for some reason, that was his nickname. And like, honestly,
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  Speaker 4: if you were to take Chucky the doll and then
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  Speaker 4: convert him into an actual adult and then give him
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  Speaker 4: a haircut, that's probably actually what he would look like.
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  Speaker 4: So I don't know if that has anything with because actually,
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  Speaker 4: I like John Gruden actually used to recent Limelight News.
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  Speaker 4: Long story, he's a dick. Most coaches are what most
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  Speaker 4: coaches are, but he's an actual dick. So but yeah,
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  Speaker 4: that's we move along with that. But anyway, in this
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  Speaker 4: case this morning, though, I'm we are doing this recording
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  Speaker 4: earlier in the morning, so I appreciate you, uh doing
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  Speaker 4: this pretty early on your schedule. I am having some
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  Speaker 4: high quality htol as a drink, and I'm also being
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  Speaker 4: a typical adult and drinking cold Drew coffee. No, I'm
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  Speaker 4: not hot coffee because I'm a bitch. Are you drinking
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  Speaker 4: anything this morning?
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  Speaker 3: Uh?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I have a bloody Mary That's my breakfast of choice. Oh,
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  Speaker 2: figured i'd start out at ten am, nice and early,
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  Speaker 2: just to get the Saturday rolling. I knew that this
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  Speaker 2: was on the agenda, so I figured that'd be a nice,
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  Speaker 2: typical favorite beverage to join the cantina with.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, hey, they'll throw all the bloody mairk. Although
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  Speaker 4: I don't know why. Maybe you can, maybe you can
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  Speaker 4: clear or uh not clear, Maybe you can entice me
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  Speaker 4: to start trying. So I used to hate coffee. I
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  Speaker 4: don't know why never. I mean, I don't like warm
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  Speaker 4: coffee anyway, even even like when it's like super cold,
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  Speaker 4: because I'm in Chicago at Midwest, like it gets damn
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  Speaker 4: bloody cold here. But for some reason, I never I
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  Speaker 4: just refused to drink warm coffee. Bob's you. The last year,
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  Speaker 4: I've gone really into you know, drinking kinds different call
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  Speaker 4: brews and stuff like that. But also going along with that,
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  Speaker 4: I've gone very much into a good friend of mine
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  Speaker 4: and my wife Emily got me into espresso martini's. Now,
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  Speaker 4: another thing about me is I hate vodka. So I
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  Speaker 4: don't know why every time I go to a place
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  Speaker 4: now I used to be I'm still a huge bourbon guy,
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  Speaker 4: but I would always want to do like your old
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  Speaker 4: fashions you're you know, just maybe a whiskey coke every
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  Speaker 4: now and then stuff like that. But I've been getting
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  Speaker 4: really into the espresso martinis. So maybe you can tell
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  Speaker 4: me what I'm doing wrong, not doing wrong, but what
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  Speaker 4: I should be putting into a bloody Mary because every
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  Speaker 4: I mean, especially in the Midwest, you don't get a
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  Speaker 4: bloody Mary here unless you get a full breakfast in
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  Speaker 4: your drink. No.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, So I mean I don't know that you're doing
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  Speaker 2: anything wrong. I'm not a big vodka guy. But I've
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  Speaker 2: kind of to learning different cocktails and seeing, you know,
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  Speaker 2: just experimenting what do I like, what do I don't like.
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  Speaker 2: I came around to gin pretty recently, well in the
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  Speaker 2: last year or two, because the buddy of mine really
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  Speaker 2: likes Ginentonics and he's like, yeah, hot day in the summer,
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  Speaker 2: Gin and Tonic nice and refreshing, and so I have
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  Speaker 2: come around to a lot of the experimentation.
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  Speaker 3: Part of it.
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  Speaker 2: But I mean, as far as like a Bloody Marry goes,
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  Speaker 2: I love that fact that it's like, you know, it's spicy,
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  Speaker 2: it waits you. I make my own Bloody Marry mix.
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  Speaker 2: So I have this big like jug of it in
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  Speaker 2: my in my briage that I pore from and it's
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  Speaker 2: got garlic, it's got pickles, it's got you know, and
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  Speaker 2: so I I have this whole thing with it. And yeah,
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  Speaker 2: I just had a nice crunch of pickle after I'm
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  Speaker 2: done drinking my glass of you know, happy.
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  Speaker 3: Juice in the morning.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, but I mean going back to coffee, that's
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  Speaker 2: a that's a staple though. I mean, in the military,
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  Speaker 2: that's what the military runs off of. His caffeine and
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  Speaker 2: coffee being the biggest part of that. Yeah, I love
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  Speaker 2: myself a nice French press in the morning, you know,
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  Speaker 2: take my time with it as I'm waking up and
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  Speaker 2: getting the crust out of my eyes, you know, here
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  Speaker 2: and the kettle go, and then you know pour that
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  Speaker 2: is the bloom of the coffee. And then I guess
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  Speaker 2: I think more than anything, you just have to enjoy
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  Speaker 2: warm beverages, like you like a hot chocolate or I'm
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  Speaker 2: trying to think, like what a tea guy or you
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  Speaker 2: had a warm beverage guy at all?
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  Speaker 3: A soup guy. Maybe at all.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, I'll here's the thing. I'm a big guy,
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  Speaker 4: so I run hot, so I try to avoid things
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  Speaker 4: that are hot. So that's probably why. But like I mean,
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  Speaker 4: I be wrong. I do enjoy a good soup. It's
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  Speaker 4: actually funny you mentioned like in the last year or so,
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  Speaker 4: my wife and I've actually gotten really into soups. Like
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  Speaker 4: one day, I think it was there's like a random
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  Speaker 4: day we both just got sick, both just did soup
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  Speaker 4: and it was like one of those things like you know,
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  Speaker 4: like like wow, I haven't had super a long time.
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  Speaker 4: This is really good. Next thing, you know, there's like
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  Speaker 4: there's like thirty cans of soup in our kitchen stuff
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  Speaker 4: like that. Also, I love I love me and like
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  Speaker 4: again I can't talk for smack because I I love
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  Speaker 4: me a good like thing of homemade chicken noodle soup
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  Speaker 4: or something like that. Yeah, but like not just soups,
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  Speaker 4: but like kind of like going on the coffee too.
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  Speaker 4: I think it's just like it's like one of those
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  Speaker 4: things like trial by error.
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  Speaker 3: Like I used to.
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  Speaker 4: I'm not really a hot chocolate guy, which I don't
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  Speaker 4: know why because like I think it's delicious, but I
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  Speaker 4: really used to because I don't I used to not
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  Speaker 4: drink coffees in the morning. I used to really be
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  Speaker 4: in teas when I was in college because that's all
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  Speaker 4: I could really afford. And it would give me, you know,
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  Speaker 4: like sometime like you know, teas, some teas have that
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  Speaker 4: caffeine you know, benefits off like that it would give
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  Speaker 4: me that boost. I need to, like you know, work
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  Speaker 4: until the long nights of studying or not studying, just
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  Speaker 4: sitting there playing Xbox all night or whatever, trying to
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  Speaker 4: actually get something going with my life. Like I don't
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  Speaker 4: know like what it's been though, because like yeah, like
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  Speaker 4: and the weird the thing about the coffee like not
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  Speaker 4: that I won't drink a warm coffee. Like for example,
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  Speaker 4: last fall, my wife was in Europe for a work
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  Speaker 4: assignment and as like a little birthday for myself or
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  Speaker 4: vicious for what you did for my birthday, she took
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  Speaker 4: us to Ireland. So now, if you know anything about me,
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  Speaker 4: obviously like I do like Bourbon's of whiskey one of
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  Speaker 4: my favorites, absolute favorites. It is because I'm Irish, but
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  Speaker 4: I also like it just tastes damn delicious. Is Toulamore
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  Speaker 4: New Irish whiskey. So we did the distillery tour and
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  Speaker 4: I don't know like what I think it was, like
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  Speaker 4: we just want to like do the tour they like
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  Speaker 4: have the whole day to just like you know, walk
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  Speaker 4: around whatever. I think we did it. We might have
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  Speaker 4: done like another tour that night too, and then I'm
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  Speaker 4: thinking about it, but like we just like want to
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  Speaker 4: rock around the town of you know, to Lamar and
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  Speaker 4: do all this stuff because yes, it is an actual
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  Speaker 4: place and I'll never forget. Our tours are like eight
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  Speaker 4: thirty nine o'clock in the morning and we walk in
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  Speaker 4: they're doing this whole like welcome here you are. This
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  Speaker 4: is the office, blah blah blah blah. All right, let's
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  Speaker 4: sart off with an Irish coffee. I'm like, oh sure,
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  Speaker 4: I mean, like I've done an Irish coffee. And this
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  Speaker 4: thing was so damn hot because for one, it was
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  Speaker 4: it was like like right at the beginning of September
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  Speaker 4: and August and it was hotter than hell. And then
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  Speaker 4: like of course it was just warm whiskey, a little
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  Speaker 4: bit of cream and then obviously some warm coffee, and
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  Speaker 4: it was so damn good. And like my wife was
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  Speaker 4: just sitting it was watched is like sitting there watching
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  Speaker 4: me get not not like she could tells like she's
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  Speaker 4: really enjoying that beverage. But man, is he miserable? And
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  Speaker 4: like I, like I said, I always I try not
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  Speaker 4: to like and plus like for me too, and again
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  Speaker 4: some people do it like I have. We have a
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  Speaker 4: lot of like you said, like in the military, like
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  Speaker 4: obviously you guys run off coffee or or a caffeine.
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  Speaker 4: My brother was in the army for seven eight years,
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  Speaker 4: and my god, like the amount of caffeine I seeing
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  Speaker 4: that guy drink. If I go to the house and
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  Speaker 4: there isn't coffee or like you know, an energy drink
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  Speaker 4: like box in the fridge and something's wrong or or
• 12:47
  Speaker 4: or it just happens to be grocery shopping day. But
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  Speaker 4: I don't know, like what it was. I just one
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  Speaker 4: day woke up. I wasn't pushed into drinking it. I
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  Speaker 4: wasn't or anything like that. I just one day woke
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  Speaker 4: up and I'm like, I just want to start drinking coffee.
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  Speaker 4: And I hate coffee. So I started doing cold Bruce
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  Speaker 4: and I don't know, I don't know what it was.
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  Speaker 4: I don't know, Like and it's funny. It's literally I
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  Speaker 4: turned thirty last year. It was like maybe like five
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  Speaker 4: days after I turned there, I'm like, I'm gonna go
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  Speaker 4: get a coffee, and then now it's it's been non
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  Speaker 4: it's been nonstup ever since. Like I said, like as
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  Speaker 4: we get older, as we change, like our big taste
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  Speaker 4: buds change and stuff like that. Like you're talking about
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  Speaker 4: like doing like a French press. My father, like I
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  Speaker 4: know he likes to do a French press, but like
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  Speaker 4: he's an espresso fanatic, so like he'll just do that
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  Speaker 4: because I think it's also a little bit quicker. But
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  Speaker 4: I mean kind of say, like like a French press,
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  Speaker 4: I used to work. It's I used to work at
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  Speaker 4: a coffee retailer who I will not.
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  Speaker 3: Say their name who that's why.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, buddy of mine told me that don't name them
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  Speaker 4: unless they're paying or if you really like their stuff.
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  Speaker 4: Like I've already mentioned a whiskey this company. Yeah, he
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  Speaker 4: I used to do like when I was at that place,
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  Speaker 4: I would do the French presses and like again, when
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  Speaker 4: you go to a coffee place, like a certain coffee place,
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  Speaker 4: which is pretty obvious, you know, you want to get
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  Speaker 4: in and get out, but like sometimes it's also too
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  Speaker 4: Like whenever I worked at this place, I always took
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  Speaker 4: my time with the drinks because you don't rush a
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  Speaker 4: good time because you want it if you I always said, hey,
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  Speaker 4: if you're paying for something, you want it to be good.
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  Speaker 4: You don't, I don't, you don't want to have sent back.
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  Speaker 4: But as well as I kind of rambled down there, apologize, but.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I just I love it and this is a
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  Speaker 2: good conversation. This is what the cantina is about.
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  Speaker 4: That's what I mean, that's what that's what that's why
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  Speaker 4: I created the podcast. I'm sure it's the same with
• 14:24
  Speaker 4: the scuttle Ball podcast. Like I remember that, and I
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  Speaker 4: told I've told this through like once or twice on
• 14:30
  Speaker 4: other platforms, but you the first like fifteen episodes I
• 14:34
  Speaker 4: did the Truck's CANTEENA because I think you guys are
• 14:36
  Speaker 4: like what like in the like in the high middle
• 14:38
  Speaker 4: two hundreds now and this is like sixty nine.
• 14:41
  Speaker 3: I think we just did.
• 14:42
  Speaker 4: You said to oh wow, huh Small.
• 14:44
  Speaker 3: World sixty nine. I know, right, it's just nicipitous.
• 14:46
  Speaker 4: Yeah, the first like ten to fifteen episodes, I'll never
• 14:51
  Speaker 4: forget it. Like I try to like write them out because, like,
• 14:54
  Speaker 4: you know, I would have people like, hey, what should
• 14:55
  Speaker 4: we talk about? I'm like, because like the first couple
• 14:58
  Speaker 4: episodes of any podcasts, before you start reaching out to people,
• 15:00
  Speaker 4: you try to like you know, work like, you know,
• 15:02
  Speaker 4: get the little kinks out and make sure all the
• 15:04
  Speaker 4: teas are crossed and stuff like that, and I like,
• 15:06
  Speaker 4: anyone come on, like hey, well here's some bullet points,
• 15:08
  Speaker 4: and like it just it just felt kind of awkward.
• 15:10
  Speaker 4: Just like sometimes it'd be like, all right, they have
• 15:12
  Speaker 4: an hour and we're half an hour or we're only
• 15:14
  Speaker 4: in the first conversation thing, but they really want to
• 15:17
  Speaker 4: talk about number four crap, you know, what I mean.
• 15:20
  Speaker 4: So it's like, okay, either we rushed through to kill
• 15:22
  Speaker 4: three or vice versa, and I'll never forget it. And
• 15:24
  Speaker 4: I and you know, like you have those like episodes
• 15:26
  Speaker 4: you remember and for me, and I would recommend anyone
• 15:29
  Speaker 4: on this podcast or any and I always tell my
• 15:31
  Speaker 4: guest because sometimes I'm like, hey, what podcast I listened
• 15:33
  Speaker 4: to before I come on the show or vice versa.
• 15:34
  Speaker 4: I'm like, here's the episode, and the first one I
• 15:36
  Speaker 4: always say, it's called episode eleven, and it's called the
• 15:39
  Speaker 4: slipification of Vin Diesel. Nice because it ended up just
• 15:45
  Speaker 4: being myself and five other people for other people, just
• 15:48
  Speaker 4: not we It was not planned, just shitting on Vin
• 15:54
  Speaker 4: Diesel for no reason at all, not that he's not
• 15:58
  Speaker 4: a nice guy. It's just we were just talking about
• 16:00
  Speaker 4: how corny and awful the dialogue of the Fast and
• 16:04
  Speaker 4: Furious movies were. But yeah, you know what, people could
• 16:06
  Speaker 4: talk crep all about them, but when they come out,
• 16:08
  Speaker 4: doesn't matter if they suck or if they really suck.
• 16:11
  Speaker 4: It makes a good jillion dollars, which is annoying, you know,
• 16:14
  Speaker 4: because you have movies that were wading oscars and crap
• 16:16
  Speaker 4: and they could barely make enough to put a roof
• 16:18
  Speaker 4: on they're at.
• 16:20
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I was actually listening to it was I think
• 16:25
  Speaker 2: a welcome back or it's been a long time from
• 16:28
  Speaker 2: you guys. Oh yeah, episode one sixty four, because I
• 16:32
  Speaker 2: like to do I've explained this a couple of weeks
• 16:35
  Speaker 2: after I've guessed, well, not necessarily, but will you listen
• 16:39
  Speaker 2: to the last one first, or like a couple of
• 16:41
  Speaker 2: the last ones, like even if you just skim so
• 16:44
  Speaker 2: you can see where we're at audio wise, and then
• 16:46
  Speaker 2: you go back and listen to the first and you
• 16:48
  Speaker 2: can see the growth and you'd be like, okay, who
• 16:50
  Speaker 2: and especially when you have more than one hundred, like okay,
• 16:52
  Speaker 2: let's see what growth they've gone through. What how serious
• 16:57
  Speaker 2: are they taking it? And exactly that that point of
• 17:01
  Speaker 2: bullet points that you're making there because we were the
• 17:03
  Speaker 2: same way. It was like how do we figure out
• 17:04
  Speaker 2: these kinks? How do we get it to flow the
• 17:06
  Speaker 2: way we wanted to and what the show really is
• 17:08
  Speaker 2: supposed to be about?
• 17:10
  Speaker 4: Right?
• 17:10
  Speaker 2: And you can see the difference in that when somebody's
• 17:13
  Speaker 2: show is first starting out and then where they are now,
• 17:15
  Speaker 2: especially like I said, a hundred plus two hundred plus,
• 17:18
  Speaker 2: then you have that growth and you can really appreciate
• 17:20
  Speaker 2: it in a quick, quicker time span than devoting, you know,
• 17:24
  Speaker 2: one hundred and sixty four hours to the podcast you
• 17:27
  Speaker 2: make guess or may not guess on. So no, I
• 17:30
  Speaker 2: was listening to yours and I was like, oh, yeah,
• 17:32
  Speaker 2: there we go. I got the vibe pretty quickly as well.
• 17:34
  Speaker 3: With you.
• 17:35
  Speaker 2: I can't remember who you were talking to. It sounded
• 17:38
  Speaker 2: like one of your boys. Basically, you guys were just
• 17:40
  Speaker 2: Arnold Schwarzenegger.
• 17:43
  Speaker 4: My apologies.
• 17:45
  Speaker 3: That was good. I was like, Okay, these guys like
• 17:47
  Speaker 3: to have fun. They liked it. I like this, Okay,
• 17:49
  Speaker 3: we can definitely vibe. But you're always high quality. H two.
• 17:52
  Speaker 3: Oh you're similar.
• 17:53
  Speaker 2: When I have the wife on, we do like a
• 17:54
  Speaker 2: couple's counseling every you know, like once the week, couple
• 17:57
  Speaker 2: times a month kind of a thing.
• 17:59
  Speaker 4: That's all.
• 18:00
  Speaker 2: And it's just you know, let's catch up, let's actually
• 18:01
  Speaker 2: sit down and have an excuse to talk to each
• 18:04
  Speaker 2: other with our busy lives that we live.
• 18:07
  Speaker 3: And she's always just like, yeah, it's a school night.
• 18:09
  Speaker 2: Yeah I'm just drinking water. Yeah I know it's Saturday,
• 18:11
  Speaker 2: but you know, I'm just drinking water and it's always
• 18:14
  Speaker 2: like the most boring you know exchange between us where
• 18:17
  Speaker 2: I'm like, well I would have shotguned this beer.
• 18:19
  Speaker 3: Oh yeah, so I know.
• 18:22
  Speaker 2: I just I love the flow of of of that
• 18:24
  Speaker 2: and then and of course the show's progression, so I
• 18:28
  Speaker 2: love seeing that.
• 18:29
  Speaker 4: I appreciate that well, and like that's the thing too.
• 18:32
  Speaker 4: And I know your episode, yeah, if your episodes two,
• 18:34
  Speaker 4: one sixty four of it's been a while and as
• 18:38
  Speaker 4: I said, like, yeah, my wife is on a longer
• 18:40
  Speaker 4: work term assignment, so I was taking that time.
• 18:42
  Speaker 3: Too, Fazo lan deuts Schlend, Yeah.
• 18:44
  Speaker 4: Exactly, spend spend some time with her, you know, making
• 18:47
  Speaker 4: sure she's all right, working her already and everything like
• 18:49
  Speaker 4: that paperwork, plus our dogs with her too, so just
• 18:52
  Speaker 4: getting all that stuff. But like and yeah, like I said,
• 18:54
  Speaker 4: like I think realistically, like I'm the and it's crazy
• 18:57
  Speaker 4: to say it's been three years that I've been doing
• 18:59
  Speaker 4: the podcast and like I'm me saying like and you
• 19:00
  Speaker 4: guys are you know, literally a hundred epistles ahead, which
• 19:03
  Speaker 4: is awesome too, But it's just I think I realistically
• 19:08
  Speaker 4: have only missed like other than like that like one
• 19:10
  Speaker 4: weird jubbers, Like I think it was like three weeks.
• 19:12
  Speaker 4: I think I've only missed like like weapons, like there's
• 19:14
  Speaker 4: like two throughs, like hey guys, no episode this week,
• 19:17
  Speaker 4: and like one was because of a recording issue, one
• 19:19
  Speaker 4: was because of like a guest cancel, and I think
• 19:22
  Speaker 4: actually the third one was because I got very severe
• 19:24
  Speaker 4: food poison. So like, sorry guys, no episode this week.
• 19:29
  Speaker 4: But and again I always I always say, I always
• 19:32
  Speaker 4: say I apologize for the arm of Sports Singer, but
• 19:34
  Speaker 4: I always say it will never stop because I don't know,
• 19:36
  Speaker 4: I don't know what it is. We just it just
• 19:38
  Speaker 4: we just go into it. And it's just like it's
• 19:42
  Speaker 4: like you said, like you just gotta have that fun
• 19:43
  Speaker 4: because I always try to act like whenever I come
• 19:46
  Speaker 4: on this podcast, regardless if I'm talking to it, but
• 19:49
  Speaker 4: you hear the person like yourself, like why you really
• 19:50
  Speaker 4: haven't you know, connected with before, or like you said,
• 19:53
  Speaker 4: I one of my boys, or like my wife. It's
• 19:56
  Speaker 4: I always try to be like, hey, look, there's no
• 19:58
  Speaker 4: microphone here, there's no there's no one here. Everything you
• 20:02
  Speaker 4: say is safe in here. And like I said, I
• 20:05
  Speaker 4: the only stuff I've ever deleted in terms of recording
• 20:08
  Speaker 4: is if somebody says a person's full name who is
• 20:11
  Speaker 4: in the public limelight, because I'm just like, you just
• 20:13
  Speaker 4: don't do that, and like, you know, if you don't
• 20:14
  Speaker 4: do podcasting or recording, you just you know, you just
• 20:17
  Speaker 4: go yeah Jim Schwartz and b blah blah blah. It's like,
• 20:22
  Speaker 4: I don't know, like not that, like you're gonna have
• 20:24
  Speaker 4: some creep like look up someone's name. But again, we
• 20:26
  Speaker 4: live in a As much as we love this I mean,
• 20:29
  Speaker 4: I mean, you could probably answer this better. As much
• 20:32
  Speaker 4: as I love this planet, I can admit that there
• 20:35
  Speaker 4: are some cuckoo heads. And I mean especially a person
• 20:38
  Speaker 4: like yourself who's traveled this planet and you're just visiting
• 20:41
  Speaker 4: you for a short time. I'm sure you can attest
• 20:44
  Speaker 4: that there are some real a holes out there.
• 20:45
  Speaker 2: Unfortunately, so oh absolutely yeah, I mean you, I'm sure,
• 20:49
  Speaker 2: I'm sure anybody, any parent out there. I don't know
• 20:51
  Speaker 2: if you have kids or not, but any parent out
• 20:53
  Speaker 2: there can easily see I mean, how how.
• 20:57
  Speaker 3: Quickly online just interactions.
• 21:00
  Speaker 2: Again, just love, I do enjoy the fact that we
• 21:03
  Speaker 2: can connect across Like you said, you're in the Chicago area.
• 21:07
  Speaker 2: It's crazy that we can connect in real time, you know,
• 21:09
  Speaker 2: across this, you know, awesome technology and have a conversation.
• 21:13
  Speaker 3: Ran.
• 21:13
  Speaker 2: Like I said, we haven't done this before. This is
• 21:15
  Speaker 2: our first time meeting conversing. We you know, did a
• 21:18
  Speaker 2: couple messages on pod match just to schedule this and
• 21:22
  Speaker 2: here we are, We're having a conversation and you know,
• 21:24
  Speaker 2: having a good time.
• 21:25
  Speaker 3: This is awesome. It's fun.
• 21:26
  Speaker 2: I get to have a drink and meet somebody new.
• 21:28
  Speaker 2: I've really been blessed with that as far as the
• 21:30
  Speaker 2: podcast concerned. But again, you know, I know plenty of
• 21:34
  Speaker 2: parents out there where or people in the limelight where yeah,
• 21:38
  Speaker 2: there's a little bit more information out there that you
• 21:40
  Speaker 2: weren't I guess planning or expecting.
• 21:43
  Speaker 3: We're going to be used maliciously, especially if you have kids.
• 21:47
  Speaker 2: You know, it's it's very easy to have your kid
• 21:50
  Speaker 2: out there on social media and all of a sudden
• 21:53
  Speaker 2: they're geo tagged and they have to take a picture
• 21:55
  Speaker 2: in front of you know, the Wendy's on the corner
• 21:58
  Speaker 2: of such and such, and now that that's you know,
• 22:00
  Speaker 2: a you know, a very visible and easy target for
• 22:05
  Speaker 2: some of the more malicious individuals out there that you know,
• 22:07
  Speaker 2: unfortunately do exist, and yeah, it is it is the
• 22:12
  Speaker 2: double edged sword, I guess of you know, just like
• 22:15
  Speaker 2: anything else, you know, you can't have the good without
• 22:17
  Speaker 2: the bad, and being aware of that I think is
• 22:19
  Speaker 2: certainly yeah, is it's certainly better. It's a big part
• 22:23
  Speaker 2: of why you know, my podcast, myself, my persona online
• 22:28
  Speaker 2: is as minimal as possible, not only for like the
• 22:31
  Speaker 2: mental health aspect of it. I think it's good to
• 22:35
  Speaker 2: to not be stuck in your phone twenty four to seven,
• 22:38
  Speaker 2: doom scrolling and whatnot. Not to say I'm not guilty
• 22:40
  Speaker 2: of it occasionally, but you know, I definitely minimize a
• 22:43
  Speaker 2: lot of that just for the mental health. But as
• 22:46
  Speaker 2: far as like privacy goes, it's it's a big thing
• 22:49
  Speaker 2: that I think more people should be aware of and
• 22:51
  Speaker 2: care about for things just like employment. You know, you
• 22:54
  Speaker 2: see that a lot where they're like, oh, I see
• 22:56
  Speaker 2: you liked this post on which is shitty that people
• 22:58
  Speaker 2: do that you like this post to two years ago
• 23:00
  Speaker 2: and what did you mean by.
• 23:02
  Speaker 3: You know that shitty part?
• 23:03
  Speaker 2: But at the same time, it's you know, for for myself,
• 23:06
  Speaker 2: for the online persona.
• 23:07
  Speaker 3: With the artwork is as far as the artwork is.
• 23:09
  Speaker 2: Concerned, that was something I noticed right away as people
• 23:12
  Speaker 2: would go into the art or things that I would
• 23:15
  Speaker 2: say in the podcast after I built that up, and
• 23:19
  Speaker 2: that if they knew me from a from work or
• 23:21
  Speaker 2: a personal level or something like that, they would go
• 23:24
  Speaker 2: into you know, the show or the artwork or the
• 23:26
  Speaker 2: writing and sort of judge it through that lens of
• 23:30
  Speaker 2: me as they knew me, you know, that public person
• 23:34
  Speaker 2: or face that they knew me, and they weren't really
• 23:37
  Speaker 2: absorbing or in my eyes like you know, giving the
• 23:41
  Speaker 2: you know whatever, the piece, the artwork or the writing
• 23:42
  Speaker 2: or whatever, it's it's time of day, because oh it's
• 23:46
  Speaker 2: it's Hermes Is stuff. So it's obviously like, oh, what
• 23:48
  Speaker 2: does he mean by this or what does he mean
• 23:49
  Speaker 2: by that? And then the other side of it is
• 23:53
  Speaker 2: you'd see an authentic interpretation where they didn't know you know,
• 23:57
  Speaker 2: the hermes, the guy behind the masks, so to speak,
• 23:59
  Speaker 2: and they would see it as it's something completely different.
• 24:02
  Speaker 3: This is how I.
• 24:02
  Speaker 2: Interpret this, And I was like, yes, that's exactly you know,
• 24:05
  Speaker 2: good job. And then so how do you do.
• 24:08
  Speaker 3: That more often?
• 24:09
  Speaker 2: How do you get an authentic, you know, feel for
• 24:11
  Speaker 2: something It's it's through an anonymous mask, it's through an
• 24:15
  Speaker 2: anonymous lens you know, you got to strip away a
• 24:18
  Speaker 2: lot of the bullshit that people bring to the table,
• 24:21
  Speaker 2: I guess. And so with like the podcast, especially with
• 24:24
  Speaker 2: us being in the military. Two third myself and another
• 24:26
  Speaker 2: co host are in the military, how do we strip
• 24:30
  Speaker 2: what we have to say that's you know, I wouldn't
• 24:33
  Speaker 2: say important, because nobody everybody's opinion is important. But you know,
• 24:38
  Speaker 2: especially with the craziness is going on with the commander
• 24:40
  Speaker 2: in chief right now, or like the democratic process, as
• 24:43
  Speaker 2: as military member, as service members, a lot of us
• 24:46
  Speaker 2: are talking. A lot of us have thoughts and opinions
• 24:49
  Speaker 2: about what's going on right or wrong, and there should
• 24:51
  Speaker 2: be a place that we can discuss that without having
• 24:53
  Speaker 2: you know, without getting reprimanded, right and so a big,
• 24:56
  Speaker 2: a big way to do that is to do it
• 24:59
  Speaker 2: behind that obviously anonymous kind of a lens, because then
• 25:03
  Speaker 2: Master Chief so and so can't get mad at termes
• 25:05
  Speaker 2: at Morpheus, you know, you know, Private first class so
• 25:08
  Speaker 2: and so they can they can email all day long,
• 25:11
  Speaker 2: and they can hate mail all day long, and that's
• 25:13
  Speaker 2: great for the algorithm.
• 25:14
  Speaker 3: So please do but you can't.
• 25:16
  Speaker 2: You can't reprimand us, you know, officially, and Uncle Sam
• 25:19
  Speaker 2: can't reprimand US officially because we're not necessarily representing the
• 25:23
  Speaker 2: actual uniform. We just happened to wear it outside of
• 25:27
  Speaker 2: the podcast, if that makes sense.
• 25:28
  Speaker 4: So well, it's like you're it's like you said about
• 25:31
  Speaker 4: like keeping things close to the vest, like and it
• 25:34
  Speaker 4: just sucks that today. And I had a conversation about
• 25:40
  Speaker 4: something like this with someone recently who was a little
• 25:42
  Speaker 4: bit older than I, and they made it coming about
• 25:47
  Speaker 4: like you know, oh back, you know, essentially the back
• 25:49
  Speaker 4: in my day kind of spiel, like you can have
• 25:52
  Speaker 4: these conversations with people and there wouldn't be a fight
• 25:55
  Speaker 4: about it. But I understanding. I'm just it's just I've
• 25:58
  Speaker 4: never seen as much negativity, to which I said, no,
• 26:00
  Speaker 4: it's just because it's much as much view on other
• 26:03
  Speaker 4: opinions wasn't as available. It's always been like this, unfortunately,
• 26:07
  Speaker 4: it's just now people have more ability to post their
• 26:12
  Speaker 4: feelings and stuff like that. But like, this is the
• 26:14
  Speaker 4: thing that blows in my mind regardless of you know,
• 26:17
  Speaker 4: what anyone's opinions are in the upcoming election or your
• 26:20
  Speaker 4: favorite sport team and stuff like that, I always go,
• 26:23
  Speaker 4: I always stand by the fact of no. Obviously, like
• 26:26
  Speaker 4: you want to keep certain some things close to the vest,
• 26:28
  Speaker 4: you know, like you know, hobnestly, I don't post like
• 26:32
  Speaker 4: where I live, or I don't post like where my
• 26:36
  Speaker 4: wife is working. You know, you know, you obviously don't
• 26:38
  Speaker 4: post the normal stuff. Like if there's like certain things
• 26:40
  Speaker 4: else you want to keep away from the public limelight,
• 26:42
  Speaker 4: you just don't talk about that stuff or in any
• 26:45
  Speaker 4: kind of form. But it just sucks because like today,
• 26:49
  Speaker 4: like you know, you could say things and like I
• 26:51
  Speaker 4: always live by this whole, like you know, if I'm
• 26:53
  Speaker 4: going to post it, I need to stand behind it.
• 26:54
  Speaker 4: But then like you'll see people like that post certain things.
• 26:57
  Speaker 4: But then like you look at their profile picture and
• 26:59
  Speaker 4: it's a picture of like some wrestling chick, or it's
• 27:03
  Speaker 4: a picture of just some anime character and their name
• 27:05
  Speaker 4: is like you know, Goku my is my life for
• 27:09
  Speaker 4: three two one or whatever, and like you know, you
• 27:11
  Speaker 4: would never know like who they were, you know, they
• 27:13
  Speaker 4: would never say that stuff in public, and like, yeah,
• 27:15
  Speaker 4: like some stuff you just don't say in PUG. But
• 27:17
  Speaker 4: I just and like you said, like I think today
• 27:20
  Speaker 4: it's just so it's and it's also it's just hard
• 27:22
  Speaker 4: to keep things close to us because you want to.
• 27:25
  Speaker 4: I mean, we all have this like weird urge because
• 27:27
  Speaker 4: of social media, like showcase, like here's what I'm doing,
• 27:30
  Speaker 4: you know, like like oh hey, like I haven't posted
• 27:32
  Speaker 4: on let me show everyone that I'm in Disneyland, or like,
• 27:34
  Speaker 4: oh hey, I'm I'm in Switzerland. Let me show everybody
• 27:37
  Speaker 4: for some reason, and like sometime and like instinct sometimes
• 27:39
  Speaker 4: it's just like we don't need that because I'm like,
• 27:41
  Speaker 4: I mean, I don't know if you remember like when
• 27:42
  Speaker 4: Twitter first came out, like that's all everyone was doing. Here,
• 27:45
  Speaker 4: I am making mashed potatoes. Here, I am making this
• 27:48
  Speaker 4: hashtag five thousand hashtags within the one hundred and twenty
• 27:51
  Speaker 4: character limit, and it's just like, you know, I think
• 27:54
  Speaker 4: things have gotten better where like people are posting every
• 27:56
  Speaker 4: single thing they're doing. But yeah, and like I actually
• 28:01
  Speaker 4: I kind of want to actually kind of roll off
• 28:02
  Speaker 4: the ball a little bit about also your like you're
• 28:05
  Speaker 4: the Wendy's kind of comment because there was one thing
• 28:08
  Speaker 4: on your pod match profile I didn't notice obviously kind
• 28:14
  Speaker 4: of going on the technology realm, it is expanding quite
• 28:17
  Speaker 4: a lot. It's expanded quite I mean, it expands insane,
• 28:19
  Speaker 4: saye amount every single day. But especially in the last
• 28:21
  Speaker 4: six months it's expanded about. And now obviously there are
• 28:27
  Speaker 4: weird there are laws that protect people and stuff like that,
• 28:30
  Speaker 4: but you made a kind of like the kind of
• 28:31
  Speaker 4: like you know, taking a photo like front of Wendy
• 28:32
  Speaker 4: and stuff like that. Like I mean, there's been like
• 28:34
  Speaker 4: lawsuits where it's like they they used my photo that
• 28:37
  Speaker 4: I took at Burger k or we shouldn't be saying
• 28:39
  Speaker 4: names at burger joints and you're seeing like all this stuff.
• 28:46
  Speaker 4: But actually, the thing I really want to get your
• 28:48
  Speaker 4: thoughts about, and because obviously it is expanding, I really
• 28:51
  Speaker 4: want to get your thoughts on h on ai because
• 28:54
  Speaker 4: obviously that is the hot topic right now. And obviously
• 28:57
  Speaker 4: as a person who you know, you don't don't bobviously
• 28:59
  Speaker 4: any of disclosed all like what you've done, like with
• 29:01
  Speaker 4: like military and stuff like that. There's one get like
• 29:03
  Speaker 4: what your thoughts at aire because and this is my thought,
• 29:07
  Speaker 4: is anything with any kind of new technology or increased technology,
• 29:10
  Speaker 4: there is always a good, but then there's always an
• 29:12
  Speaker 4: equal band that's just inevitable.
• 29:14
  Speaker 3: This is the way it is, of course.
• 29:15
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean my general thoughts on AI is that, yeah,
• 29:20
  Speaker 2: it's a new tool. It is an exciting tool, especially
• 29:27
  Speaker 2: if I was to go the optimistic route, seeing all
• 29:30
  Speaker 2: of the uses that I would imagine could be beneficial
• 29:33
  Speaker 2: with it, even the ones that we've seen thus far.
• 29:36
  Speaker 3: So it is a tool. I know.
• 29:39
  Speaker 2: There was a lot of hysteria when it first was
• 29:42
  Speaker 2: like popping up with all this AI art, and then
• 29:44
  Speaker 2: it started to get really good, and all the artists
• 29:46
  Speaker 2: you know that I follow or you know a lot
• 29:48
  Speaker 2: that I, excuse me, interact with online, we're all pretty
• 29:53
  Speaker 2: concerned most of it. We're pretty concerned saying, oh, this
• 29:55
  Speaker 2: is gonna take our job basically, or this can take
• 29:57
  Speaker 2: our style, this is gonna be theft, this is that
• 29:59
  Speaker 2: the other. And I just think it's because of how
• 30:03
  Speaker 2: you know, personally, I think that that mentality is a
• 30:07
  Speaker 2: little misplaced, mostly because and I think more people have
• 30:10
  Speaker 2: come around to this now that the hysteria and the
• 30:13
  Speaker 2: jolt of this new technology has sort of subsided.
• 30:16
  Speaker 3: Even though it has only been you know, a couple.
• 30:18
  Speaker 2: Of years, a couple of months kind of a thing.
• 30:20
  Speaker 2: But this exponential growth is something that we you know,
• 30:24
  Speaker 2: as artists, as creators, as humans probably are you know,
• 30:28
  Speaker 2: not probably are definitely not used to seeing such a
• 30:32
  Speaker 2: such a growth and so fast. But it has been coming,
• 30:35
  Speaker 2: has been a long time coming. So I think that
• 30:37
  Speaker 2: mentality is a little misplaced because you know, look.
• 30:39
  Speaker 3: At the internet.
• 30:40
  Speaker 2: You know, when the Internet first popped off, all of
• 30:43
  Speaker 2: a sudden, photos could be uploaded and stolen left and
• 30:46
  Speaker 2: right for you know, and photography is like, oh what,
• 30:49
  Speaker 2: you know, how am I gonna monetize my photos? Now
• 30:52
  Speaker 2: that you don't have to go to my you know,
• 30:53
  Speaker 2: my portfolio or come to me personally and ask for
• 30:57
  Speaker 2: me to take your picture. You can just you know,
• 30:59
  Speaker 2: take the pictures I've taken before. And now we have photoshop,
• 31:02
  Speaker 2: you can photoshop yourself and oh my god, like, how
• 31:04
  Speaker 2: am I going to survive? And the same thing with artists, like,
• 31:06
  Speaker 2: if you think about it, they've been able. Hopefully you
• 31:09
  Speaker 2: don't hear my siren out there, I guess somebody dying.
• 31:13
  Speaker 4: It's okay, I'm sure losing the episode. You've heard my
• 31:15
  Speaker 4: cat watch or twice, so it's.
• 31:17
  Speaker 2: Okay my cat. Yeah, she'll she'll definitely jump in on
• 31:19
  Speaker 2: my lap every now and then. But but like when
• 31:22
  Speaker 2: when art was first like getting online as well, a
• 31:24
  Speaker 2: lot of I did see and hear a lot and
• 31:27
  Speaker 2: saw the potential for theft with that.
• 31:29
  Speaker 3: You know, you just take a screenshot or you.
• 31:31
  Speaker 2: Download somebody's piece, and then you claim it as your own,
• 31:34
  Speaker 2: and all of a sudden, if you're a little bit
• 31:35
  Speaker 2: better at marketing or social media, social media started to
• 31:40
  Speaker 2: you know, explode. Now you can just claim to be
• 31:42
  Speaker 2: this artist, or you can make a couple of tweaks
• 31:44
  Speaker 2: to this and before the artist can really go through
• 31:46
  Speaker 2: the process of getting that work back, doesn't matter. You've
• 31:49
  Speaker 2: already made your money. So you saw that with the internet,
• 31:51
  Speaker 2: and AI is just the latest, you know, you know,
• 31:54
  Speaker 2: evolution of that. I think so, I think there is
• 31:58
  Speaker 2: plenty of the good and bad. But as to be optimistic,
• 32:02
  Speaker 2: I personally have used it for so many you know,
• 32:06
  Speaker 2: so many things to speed up the process of art myself,
• 32:10
  Speaker 2: to speed up the you know, like the storyboarding, the
• 32:12
  Speaker 2: writing process. I've been working on whatever I want to
• 32:16
  Speaker 2: call my book here, I've been working on this for
• 32:19
  Speaker 2: a while, and it makes it a lot easier to
• 32:21
  Speaker 2: research certain topics and to expand on those topics and
• 32:24
  Speaker 2: then to write out something, you know, a couple of
• 32:27
  Speaker 2: times and then say okay, actually, yeah, I like how
• 32:30
  Speaker 2: I said it. Here, rewrite this, you know in you know,
• 32:35
  Speaker 2: Jeff Goldbloom style, right, and then I.
• 32:36
  Speaker 3: Can be like, oh, that's funny. Let me take that
• 32:39
  Speaker 3: quote you know something, you know.
• 32:40
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and then if you and of course if you
• 32:42
  Speaker 2: have characters, then you can sort of upload character profiles
• 32:46
  Speaker 2: into whatever AI you're looking at, and then you can
• 32:48
  Speaker 2: go through sort of like a D and D campaign
• 32:51
  Speaker 2: and see how they would react in this scenario and
• 32:54
  Speaker 2: then take what you like out of that scenario and
• 32:56
  Speaker 2: put it into where you're going with your actual story.
• 32:59
  Speaker 2: So to me, it's a very helpful tool, and I've
• 33:01
  Speaker 2: seen it, you know, be be a lot of fun.
• 33:04
  Speaker 3: I've I've had a lot of fun with it. It's
• 33:06
  Speaker 3: it is exciting to see how fast it's growing.
• 33:09
  Speaker 4: Now.
• 33:09
  Speaker 2: The pessimist side of me, the less optimistic side of me,
• 33:14
  Speaker 2: it sees a lot of it both in I mean,
• 33:17
  Speaker 2: you could use you could use the internet as this
• 33:19
  Speaker 2: example as well to what we were describing, you know,
• 33:22
  Speaker 2: a second.
• 33:23
  Speaker 3: Ago of how how quickly.
• 33:26
  Speaker 2: Malicious uh malicious actors might use this for their advantage
• 33:31
  Speaker 2: in in a in a way that you that the
• 33:34
  Speaker 2: average person who again has no malicious intent or has
• 33:37
  Speaker 2: no ill intent, would.
• 33:39
  Speaker 3: Never have expected it to be used. Akay, the geo.
• 33:41
  Speaker 2: Tagging the location, you know, the hashtag whatever, and now
• 33:44
  Speaker 2: you can connect with underage kids. That kind of a thing,
• 33:48
  Speaker 2: you know, that's that's a that is a dark side
• 33:51
  Speaker 2: that a lot of us, even though we see the
• 33:53
  Speaker 2: tool and we see this amazing possibility, all of a sudden,
• 33:57
  Speaker 2: are now made aware of and are like, Okay, how
• 33:59
  Speaker 2: do we you know, how do we balance this?
• 34:01
  Speaker 3: How do we how do we put the correct safeguards
• 34:03
  Speaker 3: on this?
• 34:04
  Speaker 2: And most of it, when, especially with something like AI,
• 34:07
  Speaker 2: comes down to the individual, how you're going to use
• 34:11
  Speaker 2: it and what you're going to get out of it,
• 34:13
  Speaker 2: then you have these you know, actors when it comes
• 34:16
  Speaker 2: to you know, maybe a malicious country or something, you know,
• 34:20
  Speaker 2: whether it's malware or cyber attacks, et cetera. As as
• 34:23
  Speaker 2: far as like the military is concerned. I take it
• 34:25
  Speaker 2: back to both the Internet connection to nuclear like programs
• 34:31
  Speaker 2: and this, and even further back to the nuclear program itself.
• 34:34
  Speaker 2: You know it was it was something that was made
• 34:37
  Speaker 2: out of a wartime necessity, I guess which if you
• 34:42
  Speaker 2: want to get into the philosophy of whether or not
• 34:45
  Speaker 2: nuclear weapons are good or bad or should be used
• 34:48
  Speaker 2: or shouldn't be used. That's definitely its own little tangent
• 34:51
  Speaker 2: rabbit hole. But nuclear power was something that came out
• 34:56
  Speaker 2: of that as a positive and could you know, theoretically
• 35:00
  Speaker 2: solve a lot of the issues that we've seen post
• 35:03
  Speaker 2: you know, World War Two and even currently you know,
• 35:05
  Speaker 2: with you know, poverty and energy stricken countries, you know,
• 35:08
  Speaker 2: a lot of you know a lot of the minerals
• 35:10
  Speaker 2: and things that we're you know using let's say, forced
• 35:13
  Speaker 2: labor for in order to power our phones and our
• 35:16
  Speaker 2: technology that we're currently you know using right now as
• 35:19
  Speaker 2: you and I talk in the in you know, a
• 35:22
  Speaker 2: first world Western country. That's something that we could use
• 35:26
  Speaker 2: something very negative, at least initially negative for something extremely positive.
• 35:31
  Speaker 3: And it just comes down to, yeah.
• 35:33
  Speaker 2: The individual and hopefully a collection of individuals that want
• 35:37
  Speaker 2: that and agree that that's what we want and not.
• 35:41
  Speaker 3: Get caught up in this well, you.
• 35:43
  Speaker 2: Know, it's you know, it's a matter of red versus blue,
• 35:46
  Speaker 2: or Red wants half of what Blue wants, but Blue
• 35:49
  Speaker 2: wants the other half, and so you got to pick
• 35:51
  Speaker 2: which half you want today because tomorrow it'll be Project
• 35:54
  Speaker 2: twenty twenty five. Or you know, authoritarian whatever.
• 35:58
  Speaker 3: And you know, I think.
• 35:59
  Speaker 2: That's easy to get, you know, whether it's football or
• 36:02
  Speaker 2: anything else, easy to distract ourselves with, because individual responsibility
• 36:07
  Speaker 2: is a tough thing, you know, like we all know
• 36:09
  Speaker 2: that's what we should be doing individually. You know, we
• 36:12
  Speaker 2: got to take responsibility for our lives. Our actions are
• 36:16
  Speaker 2: what coffee we're going to drink. But that's tough sometimes,
• 36:19
  Speaker 2: you know, those decisions are tough, and when it's told
• 36:21
  Speaker 2: to us, you know, it can it can lighten some
• 36:25
  Speaker 2: of that, you know, burden, at least superficially.
• 36:27
  Speaker 3: So I think of AI being what it is.
• 36:30
  Speaker 2: We it's it's definitely an exciting technology that we need
• 36:33
  Speaker 2: to be careful with. I can see the abuse potential,
• 36:36
  Speaker 2: but as the average Joe guy, I think most of
• 36:41
  Speaker 2: us can see that the potential can outweigh the negative
• 36:44
  Speaker 2: if we all agree that that's what we want. We
• 36:46
  Speaker 2: don't want the negative, and so how we mitigate that negative,
• 36:49
  Speaker 2: I think is the conversation question, you know, that we're
• 36:52
  Speaker 2: all dealing with right now.
• 36:53
  Speaker 4: I mean, like it's like I was on your I
• 36:57
  Speaker 4: was on your website hermeisauce under dot com, and I
• 36:59
  Speaker 4: was some of your portfolio, some of your work, and
• 37:01
  Speaker 4: it's like it's awesome, to say the least, it's it's
• 37:07
  Speaker 4: very good. Like I think, and I apologize that this
• 37:11
  Speaker 4: isn't correct, but I think it was a Jesus Christ
• 37:13
  Speaker 4: on a pterodactyl. I saw that, and I'm like, that's
• 37:18
  Speaker 4: pretty badass. But and it's just and I think that's
• 37:23
  Speaker 4: the thing too, because like, for example, like I recently
• 37:28
  Speaker 4: a couple of years ago, I got my first tattoo.
• 37:30
  Speaker 4: In this last year or so, I've gotten some more tattoos.
• 37:34
  Speaker 4: And I don't get wrong. In life, what do we want?
• 37:39
  Speaker 4: We want to get things we want in the easiest way,
• 37:42
  Speaker 4: you know, fathomable. We wanted to just you know, I
• 37:44
  Speaker 4: just essentially type it in and it's there. Cool, I
• 37:48
  Speaker 4: got what I need. I just and I can only
• 37:50
  Speaker 4: imagine because like I'm nowhere even close as artistic as you,
• 37:55
  Speaker 4: but like I just enjoy I like as much as
• 37:58
  Speaker 4: I love doing something, I also love the creative process. Like,
• 38:02
  Speaker 4: for example, right now, my wife and I were doing
• 38:04
  Speaker 4: a lot of like talking like hey, here's what we
• 38:06
  Speaker 4: do want, here's what we want to do on the
• 38:07
  Speaker 4: outside of our house. Like I literally have like bookmarks
• 38:11
  Speaker 4: or like folder bookmarks on my computer and my phone
• 38:14
  Speaker 4: of like things that we're gonna do outside and stuff
• 38:16
  Speaker 4: like that. And then like the I only have I
• 38:20
  Speaker 4: got I only have four tattoos, but like the creative
• 38:24
  Speaker 4: process that like I went through two of them. The
• 38:28
  Speaker 4: why I have a I have a helmet piece on
• 38:30
  Speaker 4: my deltoid and then I have a a it's an
• 38:32
  Speaker 4: R two D two piece on my quad. The process
• 38:36
  Speaker 4: I went through with creating everything with the artists. I
• 38:42
  Speaker 4: just like, as much as I love my tattoos and
• 38:44
  Speaker 4: they mean a lot to me, I just I remember,
• 38:47
  Speaker 4: like almost like enjoying the process of like going talking
• 38:50
  Speaker 4: with them about it more because like I mean, like, hey,
• 38:53
  Speaker 4: if you want to go get a tat like you know,
• 38:55
  Speaker 4: if you want to go get a tattoo a period
• 38:56
  Speaker 4: of platypus on, you're like, go get a period of
• 38:58
  Speaker 4: platopus and you're like all that. But like I just
• 39:02
  Speaker 4: remember because I noways tell like any artists or like
• 39:04
  Speaker 4: you know, any any person that comes on the CANTEENA
• 39:06
  Speaker 4: like I want you to come on here. As if
• 39:09
  Speaker 4: you're in a bar and you're having a good time
• 39:11
  Speaker 4: and if you're drinking, you're not, that's fine, but you're
• 39:14
  Speaker 4: just talking through about whatever you want, because it's just
• 39:17
  Speaker 4: it's it's it's us being us. We're expressing ourselves to
• 39:22
  Speaker 4: our truest form. And I just see some of these
• 39:25
  Speaker 4: AI things and I just feel bad because like, like
• 39:28
  Speaker 4: like the the the person that did my leg piece, like,
• 39:31
  Speaker 4: and I asked him, like, how are you doing? How
• 39:33
  Speaker 4: do you feel about AI? And he's like and he's like,
• 39:35
  Speaker 4: don't be wrong. Some of it is the coolest things
• 39:38
  Speaker 4: I've ever seen. But when you're a person who thrives
• 39:41
  Speaker 4: on putting your work and your thought into someone else's,
• 39:46
  Speaker 4: you know, you know, because it's like this, this is
• 39:48
  Speaker 4: why they describe to me the best way they say
• 39:50
  Speaker 4: things like when you like a person goes to a mechanic,
• 39:52
  Speaker 4: you know, and then they make commercials off this, Hey,
• 39:54
  Speaker 4: what's wrong with your car? And they say it's making
• 39:56
  Speaker 4: this weird noise And of course they make a noise
• 39:58
  Speaker 4: that's not even closer with the actual noise. You have
• 40:01
  Speaker 4: to take what they have, figure out what the issue
• 40:05
  Speaker 4: is or what they want to get addressed, and then
• 40:07
  Speaker 4: go with that. And I'm like, I like, that's actually
• 40:09
  Speaker 4: not a bad I mean, it's it's completely different. Professional.
• 40:12
  Speaker 4: I'm like, it's that big because he's like yeah. Because
• 40:14
  Speaker 4: for example, when I got this piece on my leg, uh,
• 40:19
  Speaker 4: it was kind of inspired in a way by a
• 40:22
  Speaker 4: TikTok I saw where someone was essentially like say like, hey,
• 40:27
  Speaker 4: here's like some cool ideas for like for like tattoos
• 40:30
  Speaker 4: or drawings. And it was just like this little tiny
• 40:32
  Speaker 4: it was like a little tiny piece. I'm like maybe
• 40:34
  Speaker 4: not even a half inch tall, maybe three inches wide.
• 40:38
  Speaker 4: And the reason I wanted to get this thing on
• 40:40
  Speaker 4: my leg was because was because a couple of years
• 40:43
  Speaker 4: ago I've had I've had two knee surgeries on the
• 40:45
  Speaker 4: same leg because of football. And I remember I sent this.
• 40:49
  Speaker 4: I sent this idea to the guy. I didn't send
• 40:50
  Speaker 4: him the phone. I'm like, I'm like, hey, here's what
• 40:52
  Speaker 4: I'm thinking this long this why, here's what I want
• 40:54
  Speaker 4: to get. And he's like okay, and he's like, what
• 40:57
  Speaker 4: what are you looking for? And I go I said,
• 40:59
  Speaker 4: and I said, I would actually like for you to
• 41:00
  Speaker 4: tell me what you think you can do with that,
• 41:01
  Speaker 4: because I always want you know, like again, you have
• 41:05
  Speaker 4: this vision in your head. But I don't want to
• 41:07
  Speaker 4: walk in and be like no, I want exactly what
• 41:08
  Speaker 4: I want. I want, but I want their they're essentially
• 41:12
  Speaker 4: they're touched there Insignia's signature if you owe their watermark
• 41:16
  Speaker 4: on anything they do, so I'll never forget. We talked
• 41:19
  Speaker 4: about it and I went in that day and he's like, Okay,
• 41:21
  Speaker 4: how comfortable are you with this tattoo? Like, I mean,
• 41:24
  Speaker 4: like I haven't seen him, Like this is something that
• 41:27
  Speaker 4: means a lot too, really want to go. He goes, okay, great,
• 41:29
  Speaker 4: you're not getting a little line tattoo today, Like oh,
• 41:31
  Speaker 4: really goes no, You're gonna get a quad tattoo. I'm
• 41:34
  Speaker 4: like oh. And then he flipped his iPad and he
• 41:39
  Speaker 4: showed me four different concepts and I'm like and you know,
• 41:43
  Speaker 4: it's like it's like you know, it's like it's like
• 41:45
  Speaker 4: when you go into like buy a car, it's like, noll,
• 41:47
  Speaker 4: here's my price. Tis one together they're like, well for
• 41:48
  Speaker 4: five five grand more, you can get this. It's like, oh,
• 41:51
  Speaker 4: it's the car I want, you know. And when he
• 41:54
  Speaker 4: showed me that, I'm like, oh, okay, we're doing this
• 41:57
  Speaker 4: like no questions asked, Like oh yeah, Like that's it's
• 42:00
  Speaker 4: so sick. And but you know, when he took the
• 42:02
  Speaker 4: time he goes like here, hey, if we get this big,
• 42:03
  Speaker 4: here's what we'll do if we do this, and like
• 42:05
  Speaker 4: because they took the time, but like and yeah, some
• 42:09
  Speaker 4: AI things are cool, but like the thing I like,
• 42:11
  Speaker 4: it's like, you know, as much as I said earlier,
• 42:14
  Speaker 4: as much good as comes with it, there's also as
• 42:16
  Speaker 4: much bad because especially like with film currently, you know,
• 42:19
  Speaker 4: you're seeing it being somewhat integrated into movie productions television productions.
• 42:27
  Speaker 4: It was a rumor I don't know if I was
• 42:28
  Speaker 4: ever confirmed. There was that Marvel showed us Secret Wars
• 42:33
  Speaker 4: was it or something like that, and like they say,
• 42:36
  Speaker 4: like that essentially the rumor was the entire intro was
• 42:38
  Speaker 4: done through AI and it looked like shit talk shit, Yeah,
• 42:44
  Speaker 4: it looked like shit. And it's just like like like
• 42:48
  Speaker 4: these and that's the thing too, Like that's why people
• 42:50
  Speaker 4: can making fun of like movies today because like again
• 42:52
  Speaker 4: it's it's it's a it's not a bad example. But
• 42:55
  Speaker 4: like just go back and watch the first Iron Man,
• 42:58
  Speaker 4: you know, which is crazy to say now, really you
• 43:00
  Speaker 4: feel old. That movie is almost twenty years old. The
• 43:02
  Speaker 4: special effects in that movie are fantastic. It's insane or Okay,
• 43:06
  Speaker 4: you know what, not even that. Let's get rid of
• 43:08
  Speaker 4: Iron Man. Let's go back to ninety three the Jurassic Park. Okay,
• 43:12
  Speaker 4: movies thirty years old. God, I feel old saying that,
• 43:16
  Speaker 4: because that's how I am. But movies thirty years old,
• 43:19
  Speaker 4: the CGI, the special effects in that are perfect. You
• 43:21
  Speaker 4: then have these movies today that are coming out and
• 43:24
  Speaker 4: they're partially using AI and special effects and all that
• 43:27
  Speaker 4: stuff for almost quadruple what those movies cost. And it's
• 43:31
  Speaker 4: just like what am I watching here? You know what
• 43:34
  Speaker 4: I mean? But and it's like you said, there is
• 43:38
  Speaker 4: good and there is bad with it. But like I said,
• 43:40
  Speaker 4: I think it's also like one of those scenes where
• 43:41
  Speaker 4: we need to take the time but and like learn
• 43:46
  Speaker 4: more about it, try to find and also like find
• 43:49
  Speaker 4: a way I always say too, especially for like people
• 43:50
  Speaker 4: like yourself, like who like are in this artistic profession,
• 43:54
  Speaker 4: find a way to regulate it, because like I said, like, yeah,
• 43:55
  Speaker 4: you know what you can put You could put your
• 43:59
  Speaker 4: watermark or your signature all over it. But unfortunately there
• 44:02
  Speaker 4: are weights to get rid of that today, which sucks.
• 44:04
  Speaker 4: And that's why I because actually like the last thing
• 44:06
  Speaker 4: I mean I would ever want, especially for you is like,
• 44:08
  Speaker 4: you know, you create this. I saw this like one
• 44:10
  Speaker 4: piece that you did. It was like and like the
• 44:13
  Speaker 4: way your website had it. Like I opened I literally
• 44:16
  Speaker 4: opened it up and I literally went, holy shit, that's sick.
• 44:19
  Speaker 4: It was like it was like a little picture and
• 44:21
  Speaker 4: it has showed what was It was Gandalf and the
• 44:24
  Speaker 4: Rain from Lore of the Rains. And then I open
• 44:25
  Speaker 4: it up and all of a sudden there's there's and
• 44:27
  Speaker 4: there's Star Wars the Jokers there for some reason, and I'm.
• 44:31
  Speaker 5: Like, oh shit, like that's sick, you know what I mean.
• 44:35
  Speaker 5: But at the same time, it's just like what, like
• 44:39
  Speaker 5: what happened? Like what's going on.
• 44:45
  Speaker 4: I just think though that anytime you can have a
• 44:50
  Speaker 4: way to control something that's so powerful, so understanding, like
• 44:54
  Speaker 4: it's one of those things that should be prioritized, like
• 44:56
  Speaker 4: we need to make sure this is done.
• 45:00
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that is.
• 45:02
  Speaker 2: I think that's a reasonable reaction to have. Is that
• 45:06
  Speaker 2: we got again, we got to minimize or at least
• 45:08
  Speaker 2: have the conversation how to minimize some of.
• 45:10
  Speaker 3: The negative fallout.
• 45:11
  Speaker 2: But I also think again, just like with special effects,
• 45:15
  Speaker 2: you know, with CGI, you know, I'm sure there are
• 45:17
  Speaker 2: plenty of actors and directors, and you know what filmmakers
• 45:22
  Speaker 2: that when CGI was getting more and more prevalent, they
• 45:25
  Speaker 2: you know, especially in the early days when it was
• 45:27
  Speaker 2: really shitty, you know, similar to AI being really shitty.
• 45:30
  Speaker 3: Now we're very much against it.
• 45:32
  Speaker 2: And yet today there's you know, I don't know what
• 45:35
  Speaker 2: the exact percentage is, but well over half, if not
• 45:38
  Speaker 2: seventy five plus percent of all movies have some CGI
• 45:42
  Speaker 2: in them, and then the bigger the action is probably
• 45:44
  Speaker 2: the bigger the CGI is. Now some people would argue, well,
• 45:48
  Speaker 2: that was putting certain you know, departments out of business,
• 45:51
  Speaker 2: you know, like cinematography for example, or something where that
• 45:54
  Speaker 2: turns out that it's not entirely true. We adapt, and
• 45:56
  Speaker 2: we as creatives enjoy these problems to you know. Then
• 46:01
  Speaker 2: we get presented with, oh, well now we have CGI cinematography.
• 46:05
  Speaker 2: Now you've got to plot these out in a different
• 46:08
  Speaker 2: more you know, like analytic type of setting.
• 46:11
  Speaker 3: How can we do that?
• 46:12
  Speaker 2: And and now we have you know, like you said,
• 46:14
  Speaker 2: we have things like Marvel that blew up into billions
• 46:17
  Speaker 2: and billions of dollars worth of different new departments, different teams.
• 46:24
  Speaker 3: Well, I mean.
• 46:26
  Speaker 2: Yes, we all we we do I do acknowledge our
• 46:30
  Speaker 2: our Disney overlords. You know, I have no problem with
• 46:32
  Speaker 2: our with our Communists overlords. But but but I mean,
• 46:39
  Speaker 2: but seriously, joke, I mean, joke. All you want that
• 46:42
  Speaker 2: some of the things that we that when I was
• 46:44
  Speaker 2: a kid saw for the front, like like Jurassic Park,
• 46:47
  Speaker 2: that was something that was branded, you know, new technology,
• 46:50
  Speaker 2: but they knew they couldn't you know, have it out
• 46:52
  Speaker 2: in the sunlight.
• 46:53
  Speaker 3: You know, all.
• 46:54
  Speaker 2: The warts and features of the you know, t Rex
• 46:58
  Speaker 2: attacking those cars, those jeeps. So you know, you had
• 47:01
  Speaker 2: a director and you had you know, you had you
• 47:04
  Speaker 2: had the art department and the creative you know, angle
• 47:07
  Speaker 2: to say, okay, well how about we put it in
• 47:09
  Speaker 2: the rain, We'll put it at night, you know, similar
• 47:11
  Speaker 2: to Jaws. You know, the less you see the more
• 47:13
  Speaker 2: you know that kind of thing and that creator, you
• 47:16
  Speaker 2: know that you create that timeless thing. And so with
• 47:18
  Speaker 2: AI coming out now I agree that yeah, there's this,
• 47:22
  Speaker 2: you know, this theft that's probably going on, or this
• 47:24
  Speaker 2: you know, let's draw this in hermes Ouslander style, you know,
• 47:28
  Speaker 2: and put it you know, on planet Mars or whatever. Okay, great,
• 47:32
  Speaker 2: that's a different creation because if you know, if you
• 47:34
  Speaker 2: look at my style and and things that I create
• 47:37
  Speaker 2: or things that I put my name on.
• 47:39
  Speaker 3: It's not it's not that hard.
• 47:41
  Speaker 2: Today to figure out what, you know, what it is
• 47:46
  Speaker 2: that you're after in the art. And if you what
• 47:47
  Speaker 2: you're after in the art is you know this. You know,
• 47:51
  Speaker 2: let's be not to bash any AI program there, but
• 47:53
  Speaker 2: this like sort of superficial, highly processed, almost like photoshopped,
• 47:58
  Speaker 2: you know, sense about it.
• 48:00
  Speaker 3: That's cool.
• 48:01
  Speaker 2: I play around with Night Cafe and I create a
• 48:04
  Speaker 2: lot of fun you know where after the Trump stuff,
• 48:07
  Speaker 2: I was like or July fourth, you know, I was like, here,
• 48:10
  Speaker 2: how about you give me all the Founding fathers riding
• 48:13
  Speaker 2: eagles into battle with tanks and you know all that
• 48:16
  Speaker 2: and then boom and yeah, in twenty seconds, I have
• 48:19
  Speaker 2: like twenty of those examples.
• 48:21
  Speaker 3: But there their faces are all messed up. They have
• 48:23
  Speaker 3: too many fingers, this and that, this and.
• 48:24
  Speaker 2: The right, which is funny and is fine whatever, and
• 48:27
  Speaker 2: if you want to spend money, you can improve that.
• 48:29
  Speaker 2: But I can look at one of those and like boom.
• 48:31
  Speaker 2: I like this example of the eagle with George Washington,
• 48:35
  Speaker 2: similar to what I did with Jesus on a pterodactyl.
• 48:38
  Speaker 2: You know, I like this Trump on the tank with
• 48:41
  Speaker 2: you know Biden baby riding his shoulder. You know, I
• 48:44
  Speaker 2: could take pieces because I have that ability that an
• 48:47
  Speaker 2: AI doesn't, and I can then say in a very
• 48:50
  Speaker 2: specific highly you know, you know, stylized fashion for my
• 48:54
  Speaker 2: own self that no other AI has or no other
• 48:56
  Speaker 2: person has. I can then take those and put it
• 48:59
  Speaker 2: into my style, put it into my you know, mind's eye,
• 49:01
  Speaker 2: and in the next you know, day or two, have
• 49:03
  Speaker 2: something completely unique that started from some random AIS you know,
• 49:08
  Speaker 2: deep learning algorithm that produced based on what I was
• 49:11
  Speaker 2: thinking in my head and what I typed out for it,
• 49:13
  Speaker 2: something that I actually have physical on T shirts or
• 49:16
  Speaker 2: on posters and if I want to go a set
• 49:18
  Speaker 2: further and paint it, you know, for the next fifty hours,
• 49:22
  Speaker 2: and that's something that will give me my little therapy
• 49:24
  Speaker 2: session that is just good for me. And if other
• 49:26
  Speaker 2: people are seeing that and getting connect with that, I
• 49:28
  Speaker 2: think that's pretty easy. Just like you know Instagram models.
• 49:31
  Speaker 2: There's a lot of AI Instagram models out there, and
• 49:33
  Speaker 2: if you are one of those doom scrollers, you know,
• 49:36
  Speaker 2: like foaming at the mouth, need to you know, I
• 49:40
  Speaker 2: don't know, visit poor or one of these hubs will
• 49:43
  Speaker 2: say twenty times.
• 49:45
  Speaker 3: All day, Yeah right, Why would you say the name.
• 49:49
  Speaker 2: If that's what you need to do and that's what's
• 49:50
  Speaker 2: getting you by throughout the day. You know, I'm not
• 49:52
  Speaker 2: here to judge anybody's lifestyle, but that's personally not for me,
• 49:55
  Speaker 2: and personally not what I would say a majority of
• 49:58
  Speaker 2: people are after these days. Sure we all like the
• 50:01
  Speaker 2: dopamine hit, and sure we all can get addicted to
• 50:04
  Speaker 2: a lot of these things, but by and large, a
• 50:06
  Speaker 2: lot of us can recognize when something is productive or
• 50:08
  Speaker 2: not for us.
• 50:09
  Speaker 3: And you can, you.
• 50:11
  Speaker 2: Can, you can easily tell the difference between it, you know,
• 50:14
  Speaker 2: one of those Instagram models that's you know photo, yeah,
• 50:18
  Speaker 2: photoshopped or AI generated, and you can. Again, if you're
• 50:21
  Speaker 2: one of those doom scrollers that's all you're doing, I'm
• 50:23
  Speaker 2: sure you'll get tricked by it. I'm sure that'll add
• 50:25
  Speaker 2: to your you know bank, your whatever. I don't know
• 50:28
  Speaker 2: what's a PC version of spank bank, but you can
• 50:31
  Speaker 2: add that and to your account, to your savings account
• 50:36
  Speaker 2: there and you know, knock yourself out, have ad a hoss.
• 50:40
  Speaker 2: Here we are in the matrix and nobody's doing anything.
• 50:42
  Speaker 2: But for the rest of us, or for the majority
• 50:44
  Speaker 2: of us in my eyes, that are are interested in learning, exploring, traveling,
• 50:51
  Speaker 2: do you know, connecting with each other and doing you
• 50:53
  Speaker 2: know that.
• 50:54
  Speaker 3: I feel like that's what.
• 50:55
  Speaker 2: Social media is and was always about, was that connection.
• 50:59
  Speaker 2: And again advertisements and things have sort of warped it
• 51:02
  Speaker 2: and changed into what it is.
• 51:03
  Speaker 3: Why we have this doom scroll now.
• 51:04
  Speaker 2: But I think AI is easy is very quickly highlighting
• 51:10
  Speaker 2: how easy it is to do those things and how
• 51:12
  Speaker 2: easy it is to hijack a lot of these things
• 51:14
  Speaker 2: like AI. But you have you know, guys like us
• 51:17
  Speaker 2: that are going to take AI and use it for
• 51:18
  Speaker 2: something fun, use it for something new, and then yeah,
• 51:21
  Speaker 2: you know, somebody may have the immediate viscial reaction of no,
• 51:25
  Speaker 2: that's going to replace my job, or no, that's going
• 51:26
  Speaker 2: to steal this from me. But I think that's just
• 51:28
  Speaker 2: you know that that's a you know, that's too quick,
• 51:31
  Speaker 2: that's too it's jumping jumping the gun a little. But
• 51:33
  Speaker 2: I think if you take your time, you can find
• 51:35
  Speaker 2: something cool in it too. If you're a writer, if
• 51:37
  Speaker 2: you're a podcaster. I mean, for our show, we I
• 51:40
  Speaker 2: have a lot of fun cloning voices, you know, and
• 51:43
  Speaker 2: then putting like, oh we have you know who, was
• 51:47
  Speaker 2: it a Sam Elliott who's going to go into our
• 51:49
  Speaker 2: Whiskey Wednesday introduction with us? Of course you put a disclaimer,
• 51:53
  Speaker 2: not really Sam ellen Elliot. But it's super cool that
• 51:57
  Speaker 2: I can have Sam Elliott, you know, hanging out for
• 51:59
  Speaker 2: a quick WI Wednesday, you know, in that you know,
• 52:02
  Speaker 2: big Lebowski style, you know, And that's fucking awesome.
• 52:06
  Speaker 3: And if Sam.
• 52:07
  Speaker 2: Elliott sees that, it's like, fuck you guys, don't do that. Okay, Sam, sorry,
• 52:10
  Speaker 2: I'll take it off. But maybe that Sam saw it,
• 52:13
  Speaker 2: Maybe Sam, you want to hang out and have a
• 52:14
  Speaker 2: whiskey for real, like, and then we don't have to
• 52:16
  Speaker 2: clone the AI voice like that's a similar Oh boy,
• 52:19
  Speaker 2: right right, That's that's what I see with all of this.
• 52:22
  Speaker 2: These are just new tools that I can just like
• 52:24
  Speaker 2: when the Internet came out and you can now connect
• 52:26
  Speaker 2: to these celebrities, you know, theoretically theoretically and you saw
• 52:30
  Speaker 2: it occasionally, yeah so and so tag so and so
• 52:32
  Speaker 2: and so and so reached out. I was like, hey,
• 52:33
  Speaker 2: you want a first you know, first edition signed copy
• 52:37
  Speaker 2: of my book?
• 52:37
  Speaker 3: Here you go. You just won the lottery kind of thing.
• 52:40
  Speaker 2: We have this ability to connect now, and I think
• 52:41
  Speaker 2: AI is just the latest tool in that that we
• 52:43
  Speaker 2: can use.
• 52:44
  Speaker 4: I and we can wrap up here in a minute.
• 52:46
  Speaker 4: I want to obviously I'm a movie junkie. My wife
• 52:50
  Speaker 4: likes to say that, and I just my my few
• 52:52
  Speaker 4: friends and might like to say, like, I have a
• 52:53
  Speaker 4: movie quote for almost any situation. So there's one right here.
• 52:57
  Speaker 4: This is a movie that obviously when it came out
• 52:59
  Speaker 4: was hand by many people and critics. But ever since
• 53:02
  Speaker 4: it came out on like home video, you know, some
• 53:06
  Speaker 4: people just or DVD or streaming, and it's the cable
• 53:12
  Speaker 4: guy with Jim Carrey, and it's where he goes the
• 53:14
  Speaker 4: future is now, someday you'll be able to play Mortal
• 53:17
  Speaker 4: Kombat with someone in Vietnam and like, which is which
• 53:22
  Speaker 4: hindsight because we came like in the later nineties and
• 53:25
  Speaker 4: not even like what four years later, like everyone's online
• 53:28
  Speaker 4: playing Halo and shit together. And I think it's like
• 53:33
  Speaker 4: and I think like with AI, and it's like you said,
• 53:36
  Speaker 4: and I think and I think, and it's nice that
• 53:38
  Speaker 4: because I've talked with I haven't talked with like other
• 53:40
  Speaker 4: like you know, artists like yourself, like you know, I
• 53:42
  Speaker 4: talk with like a few like tattoo artists who are
• 53:46
  Speaker 4: more I'm not gonna say negative towards a I, but
• 53:48
  Speaker 4: they're obviously a little worried about it because it's like
• 53:50
  Speaker 4: they they you know, they're gonna sit there all of a sudden,
• 53:52
  Speaker 4: some purchases of walks in with a printed piece of
• 53:53
  Speaker 4: paper for Microsoft Outlook or whatever. Hey, here's what I want.
• 53:57
  Speaker 4: It's like like, you know, like, okay, you know what
• 54:00
  Speaker 4: I mean, Like if you're paying for it, sure, But
• 54:03
  Speaker 4: it's like I said, I just think it's one of
• 54:04
  Speaker 4: those things where and this is like with any technology,
• 54:07
  Speaker 4: especially in the last twenty years, it's just one of
• 54:10
  Speaker 4: those things where at some point, hopefully someone takes a
• 54:13
  Speaker 4: step back because like yourself, you're saying like, hey, if
• 54:15
  Speaker 4: I could see something like I could pull this, I
• 54:16
  Speaker 4: could pull this Eagle, I could pull this Trump, I
• 54:20
  Speaker 4: could pull this you know, George Washington or Lincoln. If
• 54:23
  Speaker 4: you can pull ideas from it, fine, And I think
• 54:25
  Speaker 4: like you're taking a good approach to it. And I think
• 54:27
  Speaker 4: it's also one of the says that where some people
• 54:28
  Speaker 4: to like essentially take a step back, take a deep breath,
• 54:30
  Speaker 4: and go, Okay, how can we use this? What can
• 54:35
  Speaker 4: we do with this? And like I said, I'm obviously
• 54:40
  Speaker 4: movies are going to do it. Gaming is going to
• 54:43
  Speaker 4: do it. People in your profession are going to do it.
• 54:46
  Speaker 4: And it's like one of those things like, hey, how
• 54:47
  Speaker 4: can we use this without any of the negative drawbacks
• 54:53
  Speaker 4: instead of just like you, like I said, like people
• 54:54
  Speaker 4: are just going, Okay, cool, I like this. I'm gonna
• 54:56
  Speaker 4: put this on here and I'm gonna put on my website.
• 54:59
  Speaker 4: The only thing I change was I gave Jesus a
• 55:01
  Speaker 4: top hat and I made the Paradactyl rainbow and he's
• 55:04
  Speaker 4: got a pair of goggles from like Mad Max on
• 55:07
  Speaker 4: his face. Cool, please pay me one hundred dollars for
• 55:10
  Speaker 4: this piece. And it's just like we just gotta find
• 55:13
  Speaker 4: ways to regulate that, especially for like you know, people
• 55:15
  Speaker 4: like yourself are getting ripped off, but also just so
• 55:18
  Speaker 4: that like again, you're not gonna make everyone happy, that's obvious,
• 55:22
  Speaker 4: But it's just like one of those scenes where I think,
• 55:25
  Speaker 4: like I said, I think the thing people are just
• 55:26
  Speaker 4: more worried about is like there's like no way to
• 55:27
  Speaker 4: regular So it's like like, you know, is this too
• 55:29
  Speaker 4: much power? Is this the infinity garm leg there's too
• 55:32
  Speaker 4: much power in the palm of my hand. And it's like,
• 55:34
  Speaker 4: no one's asking, like, hey, how do we control it?
• 55:35
  Speaker 4: How do we regulate it so that people aren't abusing it,
• 55:38
  Speaker 4: which of course anyone every Yeah, people are gonna use it. It's
• 55:42
  Speaker 4: just life. That's the way it goes.
• 55:43
  Speaker 2: I mean, don't we have this instinct to control control?
• 55:46
  Speaker 2: It's like, no, the Internet is supposed to be free
• 55:49
  Speaker 2: and open and accessible, and right, yeah, there's gonna be
• 55:52
  Speaker 2: you know, the again, the malicious ones.
• 55:54
  Speaker 3: But let's fucking do it together.
• 55:56
  Speaker 2: And more often than most of us all want the
• 55:59
  Speaker 2: same thing, most of us positivity. And I think we're
• 56:02
  Speaker 2: going to get that if that's what we're all about.
• 56:04
  Speaker 4: Well and like and that, and I appreciate like the
• 56:07
  Speaker 4: disclaiming thing you said about same, Sam Elliott, I can't
• 56:11
  Speaker 4: remember what it was. For my buddy pat Og Patron,
• 56:15
  Speaker 4: we did a podcast about a year ago. I'm not
• 56:18
  Speaker 4: a lawyer. I didn't contact a lawyer about this, but
• 56:21
  Speaker 4: like I read an online example and I on another
• 56:24
  Speaker 4: podcast I wasn't two did the same thing we were doing,
• 56:27
  Speaker 4: like a spoof or joke kind of thing, and I
• 56:29
  Speaker 4: literally wrote out a whole disclaimer about like you know,
• 56:32
  Speaker 4: the thoughts you're about to hear, our opinions, YadA yadaa
• 56:35
  Speaker 4: to reflect others and all that stuff. And like I
• 56:38
  Speaker 4: didn't tell my my buddy that was on my guest
• 56:39
  Speaker 4: that day, and he was like and think goes, wow,
• 56:42
  Speaker 4: that was really well written because how did I take you?
• 56:44
  Speaker 4: And I'm like it took me a while and goes
• 56:45
  Speaker 4: like you did just like like oh you you like
• 56:47
  Speaker 4: you like reached yeah, Like I took my time to
• 56:49
  Speaker 4: make sure that like this stuff was like actually legit
• 56:51
  Speaker 4: because like and again we weren't talking about anything like
• 56:53
  Speaker 4: negative or bad or like you know, like you know,
• 56:55
  Speaker 4: some la were looking to go hey, asshole picked that down.
• 56:57
  Speaker 4: It was it was just like no, we were just
• 56:59
  Speaker 4: we're off. But the subject of the conversation, which some
• 57:03
  Speaker 4: could find a little triggering, like that's just and I
• 57:08
  Speaker 4: think it's just people just need to And that's the
• 57:11
  Speaker 4: other thing too, I think people just need to take
• 57:13
  Speaker 4: a deep breath because unfortunately, in today's world, we have
• 57:17
  Speaker 4: so much access to so many things like the Internet,
• 57:21
  Speaker 4: and unfortunately, yes the internet, as cool as it is,
• 57:23
  Speaker 4: as great of a tool as it is, people also
• 57:26
  Speaker 4: use that tool unfortunately for pure evil, and it's like
• 57:29
  Speaker 4: we just need to take a step back, take a
• 57:31
  Speaker 4: deep breath, and be like, Okay, what can I use
• 57:34
  Speaker 4: this tool for? Like for me or for yourself. You
• 57:37
  Speaker 4: use it to post your work, use it to you know,
• 57:39
  Speaker 4: essentially make a living, and also use it to use
• 57:42
  Speaker 4: your podcast to perform and put your podcasts off for
• 57:45
  Speaker 4: the world to listen to. I use mine for my
• 57:48
  Speaker 4: podcast and to connect with other creators because I like
• 57:52
  Speaker 4: is the thing too, Like I love the thing I
• 57:54
  Speaker 4: love doing. I love connecting with people like yourself where
• 57:55
  Speaker 4: it's like, hey, what are we gonna do here? Like
• 57:58
  Speaker 4: what can we do? Like you know, like I can
• 57:59
  Speaker 4: get a good vibe off you? You need a good
• 58:01
  Speaker 4: vibe off me. Oh there's been people I'm like, you know,
• 58:03
  Speaker 4: I don't have I get a great vibe often, but
• 58:04
  Speaker 4: that excites is. Okay, let's try it anyway because maybe
• 58:06
  Speaker 4: you know, before we know it, we could work. Because
• 58:08
  Speaker 4: like one of my one of another another guests we
• 58:12
  Speaker 4: have on here, his name is nickname is Clickity Clack.
• 58:14
  Speaker 4: Good really good friend of mine. But man, like there
• 58:18
  Speaker 4: are times him and I when we're hanging out with
• 58:20
  Speaker 4: each other like we always have that like ALP not
• 58:22
  Speaker 4: alpha mentality, but like hey I need to I need
• 58:25
  Speaker 4: to get my opinion out before you kind of thing.
• 58:27
  Speaker 4: And it's just like how like this is this is
• 58:29
  Speaker 4: how and I have always vibe and like on the podcast,
• 58:31
  Speaker 4: it's made for some great podcasts, but there's also times
• 58:34
  Speaker 4: on the podcast I had to be like, dude, shut up,
• 58:38
  Speaker 4: like like let like let let me talk, let og
• 58:41
  Speaker 4: patron talk, let shop I'm doing the nicknames, let shag
• 58:44
  Speaker 4: Zilla talk. Like let's just all let's all get our
• 58:46
  Speaker 4: opinions in here. And like, and the funny thing too,
• 58:48
  Speaker 4: is like some of my friends like they don't know
• 58:49
  Speaker 4: each other, like they know each but they don't know
• 58:50
  Speaker 4: each other that well. And like it's funny when they
• 58:52
  Speaker 4: like interact and they like interrupt each other and like
• 58:54
  Speaker 4: oh hey, asshole, but like yeah, it's talking here and
• 58:58
  Speaker 4: like and the thing too, we and I'm sorry, we
• 59:00
  Speaker 4: can wrap up here in a second. The thing you
• 59:02
  Speaker 4: would I want to go back to a little bit earlier,
• 59:03
  Speaker 4: like you were talking about, like you know, like whatever
• 59:06
  Speaker 4: like you do to get like your daily access you know,
• 59:08
  Speaker 4: like nobamine or like excitement your life. That's your life.
• 59:11
  Speaker 4: Great do what you gotta do. I remember I had
• 59:15
  Speaker 4: a conversation with another podcast host offline. I always give
• 59:19
  Speaker 4: him credit because he really helped me get my podcasts
• 59:23
  Speaker 4: at something like he gave me like all these great
• 59:25
  Speaker 4: ideas and tips. His name is Missionary Thomas from the
• 59:27
  Speaker 4: Wrestling To podcast and he wants it in a podcast
• 59:31
  Speaker 4: like because he does. He does a wrestling podcast where
• 59:33
  Speaker 4: if you don't any think about wrestling, there is as
• 59:37
  Speaker 4: corny and fake as it can be. There's obviously those
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  Speaker 4: hurts behind it, but some of the fans in that
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  Speaker 4: realm also, like Star Wars, can go way over to top.
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  Speaker 4: And do you just see some of the shit that
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  Speaker 4: people not even just say, like just like on their
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  Speaker 4: own things like just in like in a comment that
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  Speaker 4: like or like in a comment of a tweet he makes.
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  Speaker 4: It's just like would you like would you say this?
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  Speaker 4: And like, like I said, if you post it, be
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  Speaker 4: willing to say to public And just some of the
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 4: stuff you see these people tweet or comment, it's just like,
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  Speaker 4: good lord, like what is the matter with you? And again,
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  Speaker 4: and I think it's one of those things where sometimes
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  Speaker 4: you know people you know, everyone you know, we're all
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  Speaker 4: going through this thing called life. It is easier said
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  Speaker 4: than done, but like sometimes you just got I think
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  Speaker 4: also nothing people to find. Don't use social media or
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  Speaker 4: the internet as a way to how I wear this,
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  Speaker 4: get your frustrate, use it as a tool to get
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  Speaker 4: you to release some stress, but don't use it as
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  Speaker 4: a tool to like attack others for your struggles. That's
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  Speaker 4: probably what I'm trying to say. It's like, it's like
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  Speaker 4: I said, there's a famous quote another quotess on a
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  Speaker 4: movie quote and I can't remember who said it. And
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  Speaker 4: actually I know who said it, but the person who
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  Speaker 4: said the quote said, I don't know who said the quote.
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  Speaker 4: And they say that they say that every time whenever
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  Speaker 4: they say this quote. I think that's like that's something
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  Speaker 4: that's like, that's some real humbleness of like this person's
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  Speaker 4: going outther waise. They don't have to say that, and
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  Speaker 4: that's it's it's nice to be important, but it's more
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  Speaker 4: important to be nice. Yeah, And I think, especially in
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  Speaker 4: today's I mean not even just in the world, but
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  Speaker 4: in America today, that's something that we really need to
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  Speaker 4: get a grasp on so and hopefully we do well.
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  Speaker 3: I couldn't. Yeah, Oh, I couldn't agree more.
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  Speaker 2: I think I have a similar thought process when it
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  Speaker 2: comes to you know, posting, whether it's anonymously or you
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  Speaker 2: know and they're a pseudonym or anything else. I think
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  Speaker 2: you had you had mentioned earlier in the show. You know,
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  Speaker 2: occasionally you'll see somebody lashing out online, then you go
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  Speaker 2: to their profile or say something, you go to their profile.
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  Speaker 3: It's like, you know, Goku.
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  Speaker 2: Twenty seven idea or whatever, Right, you don't, there's no
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  Speaker 2: there's no way to tell who that person is. But
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  Speaker 2: I think I think there is very much that that
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  Speaker 2: is exactly what.
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  Speaker 3: You are seeing, is that person you know.
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  Speaker 2: And even if that's just one facet of the person,
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  Speaker 2: if you're the type of person that hides behind anonymity
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  Speaker 2: and lash out, you're.
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  Speaker 3: Very much highlighting who you are.
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  Speaker 2: And if that's what you're doing eight hours a day,
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  Speaker 2: I don't think anybody's gonna think anything else other than
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  Speaker 2: Goku twenty seven is a fucking asshole.
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  Speaker 3: Whereas I look at it, well, I've always looked at it.
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  Speaker 2: As what you say online, especially when you strip away
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  Speaker 2: a lot of the you know, not nuance, but you know,
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  Speaker 2: all this other baggage of you know, oh, so and
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  Speaker 2: so's this ethnicity, this sex, this gender, this, you know,
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  Speaker 2: person living in this place. You strip all that away.
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  Speaker 2: You have the anonymous, you know, pseudonym factor.
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  Speaker 3: You're you're one hundred.
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  Speaker 2: Percent stripping away. You're stripping yourself down to your like merit.
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  Speaker 2: It's just what you say what you don't say online.
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  Speaker 2: So if you're lashing out, okay, I guess you're an angry,
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  Speaker 2: hateful kind of a person. But if you're under the
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  Speaker 2: pseudonym and you're, like you said, highlighting each other's strengths,
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 2: you're out there trying to have legitimate conversations. You're interested
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 2: in X, Y and Z, and you're posting about X,
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  Speaker 2: Y and Z, you know, from a curious perspective, And
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  Speaker 2: then somebody lashes out at you and you respond with, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: you know, I'm sorry you feel that way, or how
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  Speaker 2: can we talk about that kind of a thing.
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  Speaker 3: That's something that you're highlighting that.
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  Speaker 2: If I look at your Goku two thousand and seven profile,
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  Speaker 2: I'm like, wow, Goku two thousand and seven is a thoughtful, considerate,
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  Speaker 2: positive person. You know, I don't need to know anything
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  Speaker 2: further than that. I just know from the merit that
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  Speaker 2: you have displayed online that.
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  Speaker 3: That's who you are. So I think that not even
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  Speaker 3: a double edged sword. I think people need to.
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  Speaker 2: Realize that that's actually like at least the perspective I
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  Speaker 2: have with it. And I think that's actually the perspective
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  Speaker 2: of social media that you can have. It's not that
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 2: you're hiding behind something because you're not. People can see
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  Speaker 2: right through this facade if that's all you're doing is
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 2: lashing out and vice versa.
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  Speaker 4: If you're not, you know, no, and I like, it's
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 4: like you said, it's just you can look at their
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 4: stuff and see if they are a positive person. Like
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 4: and here's the thing too, it's like if they're not
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 4: a positive person, and like it's like, let say, it's okay,
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 4: I'm just gonna move on. I don't need to worry
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 4: about it. And you know, obviously if they keep like
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 4: commenting on you, and here's the thing too, they keep
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 4: commenting on your stuff. You know, like anytime you post
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 4: anything on your website or your socials, it's like, hey,
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 4: here's my new you know, here's here's a new piece
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  Speaker 4: I worked on. Go check it out. Blah blah blah blah. Okay,
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  Speaker 4: every time you post them and this sucks or like
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  Speaker 4: it's like the guy from Happy the movie, like the
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 4: guy from Happy gidmore jackass, like every every every every
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  Speaker 4: put jackass. It's like, you know what, as nasty as
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 4: people can be online, block button, it's one of the
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  Speaker 4: greatest inventions is all social media. Absolutely, I've only I've
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 4: only had to block one person because they were just
• 1:04:23
  Speaker 4: posting or commenting. Like it was like the most random
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 4: spam to hack, like you know, like hey, click on
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  Speaker 4: the I think great podcast by the way, click on
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  Speaker 4: this blah blah blah blah. It's like, dude, like now
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  Speaker 4: I have no problem people commenting on my stuff, like,
• 1:04:38
  Speaker 4: oh wow, great interesting topic. Here's my opinion on this. Okay,
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 4: cool your thing? Like when it's so obviously like or
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  Speaker 4: like you know, like you know obviously no, there's no
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  Speaker 4: there's no room in any room that I'm in with
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 4: hate speech. I can't dount stand by that ship. But
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 4: like the block button is there for a reason and
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  Speaker 4: it works. It's great. Yes, can this person? Yes? Can
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 4: that person Goku two thousand and seven or the and
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 4: Goku the day? Can that person really go the one
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  Speaker 4: who said the first? Can that person go? Either way?
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  Speaker 4: To make a new profile, make a new email, all
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  Speaker 4: that jazz, and we can Goku twenty seventeen just to
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  Speaker 4: you know, go like a ha, you thought you got me, motherfucker.
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  Speaker 4: It's like you just probably spend twenty minutes making a
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  Speaker 4: new thing just to go on my platform and go, haha,
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  Speaker 4: I'm back. It's like I'm glad I was in your
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 4: thought process for half your day, like like please, like yeah,
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 4: knock yourself out, please go and by the way, blot,
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 4: but hey, that's the where we live in. It is
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 4: what it is. But at the end of the day,
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 4: it's like I said, we're all we're all in this together,
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  Speaker 4: and like if and like I mean, I could tell
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 4: right away you're a very positive person.
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  Speaker 3: I know that.
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  Speaker 4: I'm I try to be a very positive person. And
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 4: that's just the life we got to try to live.
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 4: And if you're in that realm space where you're negative
• 1:05:48
  Speaker 4: or you are a negative person, like hey, I wish
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 4: you nothing but the best, but like hopefully you can
• 1:05:53
  Speaker 4: probably put this come join us. It's a lot nicer
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 4: over here, you know. It's not like you're drinking hot
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 4: coffee on a hot day, like refuse to do just
• 1:06:00
  Speaker 4: come over here, come to the brighter side, have some fun,
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 4: have a beer in your case of a buddy Mary,
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 4: and we'll call the day.
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  Speaker 3: So call it absolutely.
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  Speaker 4: On that note, we'll get out of here. I do
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  Speaker 4: appreciate your time this morning. Before we get out of here.
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