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- 0:03Speaker 1: At eight fifty one in the morning on April ninth,
- 0:06Speaker 1: two thousand nineteen, a retired municipal planner named Beverly Holt
- 0:11Speaker 1: followed her beagle into the tree line behind Teller's Creek.
- 0:15Speaker 1: The dog had caught something. What Beverly found, pad locked
- 0:19Speaker 1: and rusting at the edge of a concrete pad, was
- 0:22Speaker 1: a portable steel storage container hidden behind fifteen foot leyland
- 0:27Speaker 1: cypress trees. She thought it was abandoned equipment.
- 0:30Speaker 2: She was wrong.
- 0:32Speaker 1: Inside that container was a folding table, a folding chair,
- 0:36Speaker 1: a pair of binoculars on a plywood shelf, and a
- 0:39Speaker 1: cork board. The cork board held photographs, dozens of them,
- 0:44Speaker 1: all of the same woman, all taken without her knowledge,
- 0:47Speaker 1: and the earliest one was dated six years before that darn.
- 0:51Speaker 1: The photographs showed a woman gardening in a wide brimmed
- 0:55Speaker 1: blue hat, carrying a thermos into the public library on
- 0:59Speaker 1: a Thursday, loading groceries into her car, living an ordinary
- 1:03Speaker 1: life in a neighborhood where the same faces appear at
- 1:06Speaker 1: the same mail boxes every morning. Her name was Amanda Mills.
- 1:11Speaker 1: She was sixty two years old, and she had no
- 1:14Speaker 1: idea this container existed. What happened inside that container changes
- 1:19Speaker 1: the moment you understand what it represents. Not a spontaneous obsession,
- 1:24Speaker 1: not a crime of opportunity, a construction, deliberate patient, and
- 1:29Speaker 1: years in the making. A man had chosen Amanda Mills
- 1:33Speaker 1: as a target before she had ever said a single
- 1:35Speaker 1: word to him. Grover Falls sits in the foothills of
- 1:38Speaker 1: western North Carolina, the kind of city where the mountains
- 1:41Speaker 1: begin to press close enough that you can see their
- 1:44Speaker 1: outline from a parking lot. It is not a small town,
- 1:47Speaker 1: but it has the memory of wine. People recognize neighbors
- 1:50Speaker 1: by their routines. They know which house puts out seasonal
- 1:54Speaker 1: decorations first. They notice when the same car parks in
- 1:58Speaker 1: the same spot. Amanda Mills had lived on Calloway Drive
- 2:02Speaker 1: for nineteen years. She moved there after building a life
- 2:06Speaker 1: that had seen real loss. Her husband, Ray, died of
- 2:09Speaker 1: a cardiac event in two thousand eleven. After his death,
- 2:13Speaker 1: she continued working part time as a book keeper at
- 2:16Speaker 1: a dental clinic not far from her home. She kept
- 2:19Speaker 1: her Thursday Bridge club, the same group of women for
- 2:23Speaker 1: eleven years. She tended her front garden through every season.
- 2:28Speaker 1: Investigators who later reviewed her habits used a specific phrase
- 2:31Speaker 1: to describe her a deeply consistent person. That consistency was
- 2:36Speaker 1: not a character flaw. It was how she survived grief
- 2:40Speaker 1: and built something stable on the other side of it.
- 2:43Speaker 2: She called her daughter Priya.
- 2:44Speaker 1: Twice a week. She returned to the same library on
- 2:47Speaker 1: the same day. She planted tulips in the same bed
- 2:50Speaker 1: each spring.
- 2:51Speaker 2: These were not ticks.
- 2:52Speaker 1: They were the architecture of a life she had chosen carefully.
- 2:56Speaker 1: Priya Naire, Amanda's adult daughter from a previous marriage, lived
- 3:00Speaker 1: in Charlotte, roughly three hours east. They were close in
- 3:03Speaker 1: the way that distance sometimes sharpens a relationship, regular calls,
- 3:09Speaker 1: visits on holidays, a mother and daughter who had learned
- 3:13Speaker 1: to stay connected across the gap. There is something that
- 3:17Speaker 1: becomes difficult to absorb once you know what was inside
- 3:20Speaker 1: the container, and it involves a man Amanda Mills would
- 3:24Speaker 1: eventually come to know. Amanda's front garden was visible from
- 3:28Speaker 1: the parking structure of the commercial building next door. That building,
- 3:32Speaker 1: a low rise with service access on the east side,
- 3:35Speaker 1: was one of the regular contract stops for a heating
- 3:38Speaker 1: and cooling technician named Chad Morgan.
- 3:41Speaker 2: He worked for a.
- 3:42Speaker 1: Company called Brennan Coal Climate systems. He had been servicing
- 3:46Speaker 1: that building since January two thousand thirteen. Amanda never knew
- 3:50Speaker 1: that Morgan was forty one years old.
- 3:53Speaker 2: At the time of his arrest.
- 3:55Speaker 1: He had told Amanda he was divorced. He had told
- 3:57Speaker 1: her he had bought the vacant lot behind millhe Trace
- 4:00Speaker 1: because he liked the quiet. Both statements were technically structured
- 4:05Speaker 1: to sound like disclosures while giving nothing real away. The
- 4:09Speaker 1: first photograph on that court board was dated June twenty thirteen,
- 4:13Speaker 1: and it Amanda is kneeling beside her front garden. She
- 4:17Speaker 1: is wearing a wide brimmed blue hat with a pale brim.
- 4:20Speaker 1: She is not looking at the camera. She does not
- 4:23Speaker 1: know the camera is there. By the time she met
- 4:26Speaker 1: Chad Morgan face to face at her own front door
- 4:29Speaker 1: in April twenty sixteen, he had been watching her for
- 4:32Speaker 1: three years. The first time Morgan knocked on Amanda's door,
- 4:36Speaker 1: the tulips had just opened. It was April twenty sixteen.
- 4:42Speaker 1: He stood on her front step with a question about
- 4:44Speaker 1: her gutters. That is what he said. A neighbor mentioned
- 4:48Speaker 1: he did hvac work. Would she mind if he took
- 4:51Speaker 1: a look? Amanda said yes, She was sixty years old,
- 4:55Speaker 1: living alone, and a man with a reasonable face had
- 4:58Speaker 1: asked a reasonable quot question. Two weeks later he came
- 5:01Speaker 1: back with a pan of lasagna. By winter of twenty sixteen,
- 5:06Speaker 1: Amanda considered him a close friend. By spring of twenty seventeen,
- 5:10Speaker 1: she believed.
- 5:11Speaker 2: She was in love.
- 5:12Speaker 1: Here is the thing about that progression.
- 5:15Speaker 2: It did not happen by accident. It did not happen because.
- 5:18Speaker 1: Morgan was charming or because Amanda was naive. It happened
- 5:23Speaker 1: because the approach had been engineered three years before the
- 5:26Speaker 1: first knock. The photograph from June twenty thirteen is the
- 5:30Speaker 1: baseline image. Amanda kneeling in her garden blue hath no
- 5:35Speaker 1: awareness of the limbs. That image is not a romantic memory.
- 5:40Speaker 2: It is the start of a file.
- 5:42Speaker 1: Between that first photograph and the April twenty sixteen knock,
- 5:47Speaker 1: Morgan made forty seven documented service visits to the commercial
- 5:51Speaker 1: building next door, forty seven opportunities to observe her schedule,
- 5:55Speaker 1: her habits, her weather, patterns of daily life. Investigators described
- 6:00Speaker 1: Amanda Mills as a deeply consistent person. Bridge club every Thursday,
- 6:04Speaker 1: same group for eleven years. The library also Thursdays same
- 6:10Speaker 1: tote bag, same thermos of coffee, grocery runs on the
- 6:14Speaker 1: same days, gardening in the same bed each spring. Morgan
- 6:18Speaker 1: did not stumble into her predictability.
- 6:20Speaker 2: He cataloged it.
- 6:21Speaker 1: The corkboard showed what that cataloged looked like over time,
- 6:25Speaker 1: photographs spanning eleven seasons, Amanda at the grocery store, Amanda
- 6:30Speaker 1: arriving at the library, Amanda in the garden in four
- 6:34Speaker 1: different years, the tulips in slightly different states each time.
- 6:38Speaker 1: One photograph showed her in rain gear, one showed her
- 6:41Speaker 1: carrying a box from a delivery truck.
- 6:44Speaker 2: The images were not into it.
- 6:45Speaker 1: In the way surveillance is usually the magic.
- 6:48Speaker 2: They were documentary. They recorded the grammar of an ordinary.
- 6:52Speaker 1: Life, assembled with patience. That word patience. In twenty twenty three,
- 6:58Speaker 1: Morgan sat across from a documentary journalist and gave a
- 7:02Speaker 1: recorded interview. He confirmed he had selected Amanda Mills as
- 7:06Speaker 1: a target before he ever spoke to her. He confirmed
- 7:10Speaker 1: the three years of preparation were deliberate. He described himself
- 7:14Speaker 1: without apparent irony, as a patient person. The patients had
- 7:18Speaker 1: a physical artifact. Sometime around twenty fifteen, a windstorm moved
- 7:23Speaker 1: through the neighborhood. Amanda's wide brimmed blue hat blew off
- 7:28Speaker 1: the porch railing.
- 7:29Speaker 2: She looked for it.
- 7:31Speaker 1: She assumed the wind had taken it into a neighbour's
- 7:33Speaker 1: yard or the creek drainage.
- 7:36Speaker 2: She bought a replacement hat.
- 7:38Speaker 1: The original was gone, except it was not gone. It
- 7:42Speaker 1: was inside the container. Detective Iris Chow documented it during
- 7:46Speaker 1: the evidence sweep on April ninth, twenty nineteen. The hat
- 7:50Speaker 1: had been inside that locked steel box for at least
- 7:53Speaker 1: four years before Beverly Holt's dog led her to the
- 7:57Speaker 1: tree line. Morgan had walked into Amanda's year during the
- 8:00Speaker 1: storm and taken it. He had padlocked it behind a
- 8:04Speaker 1: stand of fifteen foot Leilandai trees on a lot he owned.
- 8:08Speaker 1: Then he went back to watching. In autumn of twenty seventeen,
- 8:13Speaker 1: Morgan showed up at Amanda's kitchen table with paperwork. He
- 8:17Speaker 1: explained it simply a joint account at a credit union
- 8:20Speaker 1: in the neighboring county. It would make things easier, he said,
- 8:24Speaker 1: the way couples eventually make things easier. He had filled
- 8:28Speaker 1: out the forms already. Amanda signed over the following eighteen months,
- 8:33Speaker 1: approximately sixty eight thousand dollars moved through that account. The
- 8:37Speaker 1: withdrawals were made in amounts that stayed below the federal
- 8:40Speaker 1: reporting threshom not barely below, consistently deliberately below. When Kent Webb,
- 8:47Speaker 1: the private investigator Priya hired in summer twenty nineteen, pulled
- 8:51Speaker 1: the account records, the pattern was immediate.
- 8:54Speaker 2: Nobody structures withdraws like that. By coincidence.
- 8:58Speaker 1: The amounts varied just enough to avoid looking mechanically, but
- 9:01Speaker 1: they never crossed the line. Each withdrawal had been considered.
- 9:05Speaker 1: Webb found something else. In those same weeks. Morgan had
- 9:09Speaker 1: told Amanda he began working for Brennan Cole Climate Systems
- 9:13Speaker 1: in twenty sixteen. That was the story he had told her.
- 9:17Speaker 1: It appears the story he expected would be verifiable only casually.
- 9:22Speaker 1: Webb requested the actual employment records. The contract start date
- 9:26Speaker 1: was January twenty thirteen. The forty seven service visits, the
- 9:32Speaker 1: three years of photographs on the cork board, the graduated
- 9:36Speaker 1: knowledge of Amanda's schedule that made the April twenty sixteen
- 9:40Speaker 1: approach look spontaneous. All of it lands differently once you know.
- 9:44Speaker 1: Morgan understood he would need a clean origin story and
- 9:47Speaker 1: built one there is a specific photograph in the evidence
- 9:50Speaker 1: log that is worth holding for a red moment. It
- 9:54Speaker 1: was taken from an angle above and to the left
- 9:57Speaker 1: of Amanda's front garden, looking down at the entry path.
- 10:01Speaker 1: The angle is consistent with the second floor east facing
- 10:05Speaker 1: windows of the commercial building's parking structure. That is not
- 10:09Speaker 1: stated as courtroom certainty. What is stated in the photographic
- 10:13Speaker 1: evidence record is that the image was taken from outside
- 10:16Speaker 1: Amanda's property line at distance through some kind of telephoto
- 10:21Speaker 1: or zoom optic, and it shows her at her front door,
- 10:24Speaker 1: key in hand, in a year before she knew his name.
- 10:28Speaker 1: That single image is the architecture of the whole case,
- 10:31Speaker 1: compressed into one rectangle. When the case went to trial,
- 10:35Speaker 1: Morgan's defense argued the relationship had been consensual. The joint
- 10:39Speaker 1: account they contended reflected a genuine partnership that Amanda had
- 10:43Speaker 1: freely entered. There had been no coercion, no threats, no
- 10:48Speaker 1: violence of any kind. A man and a woman had
- 10:51Speaker 1: grown close. The account was a misunderstanding picture the court
- 10:55Speaker 1: room when Susan Tate walked to the stand.
- 10:58Speaker 2: Tate was fifty seven.
- 11:00Speaker 1: Years old and lived in Asheville, ninety minutes west of
- 11:04Speaker 1: Grover Falls. She had called the tip line the same
- 11:08Speaker 1: day Morgan was arrested after seeing the news coverage. She
- 11:12Speaker 1: had recognized the methodology. In two thousand eight, near a
- 11:16Speaker 1: small town outside Roanoke, Virginia, she had met a man
- 11:20Speaker 1: who asked thoughtful questions and showed patient interest.
- 11:25Speaker 2: He was attentive in a way that felt singular.
- 11:28Speaker 1: He photographed her financial documents with his phone.
- 11:31Speaker 2: She discovered them. She ended the relationship.
- 11:34Speaker 1: In two thousand and nine.
- 11:35Speaker 2: She did not report it.
- 11:37Speaker 1: She could not explain at the time what exactly had
- 11:41Speaker 1: happened to her. Morgan had not taken anything technically speaking,
- 11:46Speaker 1: he had taken something she could not name. For years,
- 11:49Speaker 1: the jury heard her describe the approach, the deliberate attentiveness,
- 11:54Speaker 1: the way intimacy was offered in portions, calibrated to build dependency,
- 11:59Speaker 1: the act absence of any moment she could point to
- 12:02Speaker 1: and say there, that was the lie. Because the lie
- 12:07Speaker 1: was the architecture, not a single brick, The defense's argument
- 12:11Speaker 1: that the relationship was consensual collapsed against one specific fact.
- 12:15Speaker 1: Morgan had photographed Amanda before they met. The corkboard predated
- 12:20Speaker 1: the relationship by three years. A person cannot consent to
- 12:24Speaker 1: a relationship whose terms were already written before they were introduced.
- 12:29Speaker 1: Morgan was convicted on six counts eleven days of trial.
- 12:34Speaker 1: The sentence came down in September two thousand, nineteen eleven years.
- 12:39Speaker 2: He appealed twice. Both appeals failed.
- 12:43Speaker 1: The strongest payoff to everything planted across those eighteen months
- 12:47Speaker 1: of documents and withdrawals and photographs arrived not in the courtroom,
- 12:52Speaker 1: but in that twenty twenty three interview room. Morgan looked
- 12:56Speaker 1: at the journalist and confirmed on the record that he
- 12:59Speaker 1: had so elected Amanda Mills before approaching her, that the
- 13:03Speaker 1: preparation was deliberate, that Susan Tate had experienced the same methodology.
- 13:09Speaker 1: He said he considered himself a patient person. The blue
- 13:12Speaker 1: hat had been in the container for at least four years.
- 13:15Speaker 2: He had planned to meet.
- 13:16Speaker 1: Amanda for three years before knocking. He had structured sixty
- 13:21Speaker 1: eight thousand dollars in withdrawals to stay invisible. Everything about
- 13:25Speaker 1: how he operated required long timelines and the absolute certainty
- 13:29Speaker 1: that no one was watching him the way he watched others.
- 13:33Speaker 1: Beverly Holt was sixty three years old and retired. Her
- 13:37Speaker 1: dog was named Copper a Beagle mix twelve years old
- 13:42Speaker 1: who followed a scent line into the trees on a
- 13:44Speaker 1: Tuesday morning in April.
- 13:46Speaker 2: That is what ended it.
- 13:48Speaker 1: The container left Teller's Creek in April twenty nineteen. A
- 13:52Speaker 1: crew hauled it out on a flatbed. What stayed behind
- 13:56Speaker 1: was the concrete path, a rectangle of poured foundation roughly
- 14:00Speaker 1: eight feet by ten sitting in the shadows of the
- 14:03Speaker 1: Leylandee trees. Investigators documented it, then they left it. The
- 14:09Speaker 1: pad is still there. There is something almost clarifying about
- 14:13Speaker 1: that detail. Morgan planned and built and observed for years.
- 14:18Speaker 1: Everything he constructed was eventually taken apart, the account closed,
- 14:23Speaker 1: the photographs cataloged into evidence, the charges filed and argued
- 14:28Speaker 1: and upheld. But the pad remains. The infrastructure of.
- 14:32Speaker 2: What he did.
- 14:33Speaker 1: Outlasted the prosecution by years, sitting behind a tree line
- 14:37Speaker 1: in Milhaven Trace where no one tends to it. Amanda
- 14:41Speaker 1: Mills received restitution as part of the sentencing. The court
- 14:44Speaker 1: ordered Morgan to make payments toward the roughly sixty eight
- 14:47Speaker 1: thousand dollars moved through the joint account. The practicalities of
- 14:51Speaker 1: collecting from a person serving eleven years in state custody
- 14:55Speaker 1: are by every measure complicated. As of the public record
- 15:00Speaker 1: available through twenty twenty three, those payments remained incomplete. Priya Naire,
- 15:06Speaker 1: Amanda's daughter, had hired Kent Webb the summer before the trial.
- 15:11Speaker 1: Webb's work on Morgan's employment history, specifically the discrepancy between
- 15:15Speaker 1: January twenty thirteen and the twenty sixteen date Morgan gave Amanda,
- 15:21Speaker 1: became part of the prosecution's case. The three year gap
- 15:24Speaker 1: that Morgan claimed did not exist. The contract with Brennan
- 15:28Speaker 1: Pole Climate Systems started in twenty thirteen. Forty seven documented
- 15:33Speaker 1: visits to the dental clinic building in the three years
- 15:36Speaker 1: before he ever knocked on her door.
- 15:39Speaker 2: Priya had known something.
- 15:40Speaker 1: Was wrong before most people around Amanda had let themselves
- 15:43Speaker 1: believe it. She called twice a week, and she noticed
- 15:47Speaker 1: the changes in her mother's financial decisions. She hired the
- 15:50Speaker 1: investigator when the case slowed. There is a specific kind
- 15:54Speaker 1: of attention that some people carry for the people they love,
- 15:58Speaker 1: the kind that registers shift, absences, new paths. Prionnaire had
- 16:04Speaker 1: that it mattered. Susan Tate was fifty seven years old
- 16:08Speaker 1: when she called the tip line on April twenty second,
- 16:11Speaker 1: twenty nineteen, the same morning Morgan was arrested. She had
- 16:15Speaker 1: seen the news coverage. She recognized the methodology immediately. She
- 16:20Speaker 1: had been trying to name what happened to her in
- 16:22Speaker 1: two thousand and eight and two thousand and nine for
- 16:25Speaker 1: a decade, and now, watching a press conference about a
- 16:29Speaker 1: man in a different state, the vocabulary she had been
- 16:32Speaker 1: missing arrived in a single broadcast she had not reported
- 16:36Speaker 1: in two thousand and nine. Because Morgan had not taken
- 16:40Speaker 1: anything legally speaking, he had photographed her financial documents with
- 16:45Speaker 1: his phone.
- 16:46Speaker 2: He had studied her.
- 16:47Speaker 1: He had built something toward a purpose she never let
- 16:49Speaker 1: fully materialize because she pulled back, unsettled by something she
- 16:54Speaker 1: could not name. She had trusted that unnamed feeling, and
- 16:59Speaker 1: it had protected her. She could not explain it clearly
- 17:02Speaker 1: enough at the time to file a complaint. Her testimony
- 17:05Speaker 1: at trial was, according to court records, significant. The jury
- 17:09Speaker 1: heard from a second woman who described the same calibrated intimacy,
- 17:13Speaker 1: the same deliberate attentiveness, the same architecture of warmth offered
- 17:18Speaker 1: in measured portions, two women, different years, different cities, same structure.
- 17:24Speaker 2: The defense had no answer to that.
- 17:27Speaker 1: Chad Morgan sat across from a documentary journalist in twenty
- 17:30Speaker 1: twenty three, and answered questions on the record. He had
- 17:33Speaker 1: filed two appeals at that point, both had been rejected.
- 17:37Speaker 1: He had nothing left to win legally, and perhaps that
- 17:40Speaker 1: is why he spoke. He confirmed he had selected Amanda
- 17:44Speaker 1: Mills as a target before approaching her. He confirmed the
- 17:47Speaker 1: three years of prior observation were deliberate preparation. He confirmed
- 17:51Speaker 1: Susan Tate had been an earlier version of the same approach.
- 17:55Speaker 1: And then he said it the sentence that, once heard,
- 17:59Speaker 1: recon textualizes every moment of the preceding years.
- 18:03Speaker 2: He said he considered himself.
- 18:05Speaker 1: A patient person, not remorseful, not mistaken.
- 18:09Speaker 2: Patient.
- 18:10Speaker 1: That single word carries the entire architecture of what he built.
- 18:14Speaker 1: Patience is what you practice when you are waiting for
- 18:17Speaker 1: something you fully intend to take. It is what you
- 18:20Speaker 1: practice when you are watching a woman garden through binoculars
- 18:23Speaker 1: for three years, waiting for the right moment to knock
- 18:25Speaker 1: on your door with a plausible reason to be there.
- 18:28Speaker 1: It is what you practice when you structure every withdrawal
- 18:31Speaker 1: to fall just below the reporting threshold month after month,
- 18:35Speaker 1: knowing no single transaction or a trigger a flag.
- 18:39Speaker 2: The hat was in the container for at least four years.
- 18:42Speaker 2: Think about that.
- 18:43Speaker 1: He took it during a windstorm in approximately twenty fifteen.
- 18:47Speaker 1: Amanda assumed it blew away and bought a replacement. For
- 18:51Speaker 1: four years, she gardened in her new hat while the
- 18:54Speaker 1: original sat on a shelf in a padlocked steel box
- 18:57Speaker 1: thirty yards away. She was living in a story she
- 19:00Speaker 1: did not know was being written. The author had been
- 19:03Speaker 1: at work since twenty thirteen. Amanda Mills is sixty.
- 19:07Speaker 2: Two years old.
- 19:09Speaker 1: She has lived on Callaway Drive for nineteen years. She
- 19:14Speaker 1: still attends Bridge Club on Thursdays with the same group
- 19:17Speaker 1: she has known for eleven years. Investigators described her as
- 19:21Speaker 1: a deeply consistent person, and they meant it as an
- 19:24Speaker 1: observation about how she structured her life. But it is
- 19:28Speaker 1: also true in a different sense. She was consistent through
- 19:32Speaker 1: all of it. She built something real. What was done
- 19:35Speaker 1: to her was a calculated extraction, not a seduction. The
- 19:38Speaker 1: warmth she offered was genuine, the warmth she received was engineered.
- 19:43Speaker 1: That distinction matters more than almost anything else in this case.
- 19:47Speaker 1: Beverly Holt retired from municipal Plannet and Walks Teller's creek
- 19:51Speaker 1: with copper most mornings.
- 19:53Speaker 2: She was sixty three years old.
- 19:55Speaker 1: On the morning of April ninth, two thy nineteen, when
- 19:59Speaker 1: her twelve your old beagle mix followed a scent line
- 20:03Speaker 1: into the trees and stopped at a padlocked container, she
- 20:06Speaker 1: had no reason to notice. She called it in, she
- 20:10Speaker 1: gave a statement, She went home. She had no way
- 20:13Speaker 1: of knowing that a dog's nose on a Tuesday morning
- 20:17Speaker 1: had found the end of something that had been running
- 20:19Speaker 1: for six years. Grover Falls is a mid sized city
- 20:23Speaker 1: at the edge of the Blue Ridge Foothills. Calloway Drive
- 20:27Speaker 1: still runs adjacent to the commercial building where Morgan once
- 20:30Speaker 1: surfaced the HVAC systems. The Leylandyon trees along the creek
- 20:34Speaker 1: line are still fifteen feet tall. The concrete pad sits
- 20:38Speaker 1: behind them, unremarked, overgrown at the edges.
- 20:42Speaker 2: Now Amanda keeps her garden. This show is made by Hobomedia.