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EXCLUSIVE - Chainlink deepens ties with S&P · The Starting Block

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going and listening to that
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conversation.
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Today, we are going to be joined by
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Andrew McCormick.
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From Chainlink Labs a little bit
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later to talk about and
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extending of their work
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with SMP Global.
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We'll have him in the hot seat in a
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few minutes time, but first things
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first, we're gonna start things off
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with the Block Briefing.
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And if you haven't been here before,
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the Block briefing is our rundown of
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the top stories you need to know
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in the last 24 hours curated
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from the Block's fantastic
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editorial news team and our
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website. So let's jump into our
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first headline of the day.
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Galaxy Digital is back in the black.
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The Mike Novogratz led firm swung
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to $323 million
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in net income for the third quarter,
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a sharp turnaround from an $85
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million loss the quarter before.
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Adjusted gross profit jumped to
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$569 million powered
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by growth across crypto trading,
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lending, and its fast expanding AI
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data center operations.
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Trading volumes rose 12%, and
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there's a sweetener for
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shareholders.
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Galaxy announced a brand new $200
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million.
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Share buyback.
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Net income still trailed last year's
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figure but momentum's clearly
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pointing back up for Galaxy.
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Then a major milestone for
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stablecoins Moody's has handed
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Ripple's RLUSD investment
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grade ratings an A2
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long-term and a P1 short-term
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deposit rating.
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The agency pointed to the credit
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quality and market value of RL
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USD's reserves, its liquidity
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and its redemption set up.
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Those reserves, Moody says, are
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parked mostly in highly liquid
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short-duration U.S.
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Government assets and cash, with the
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custodian targeting 103%
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coverage more than the rating
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requires. It's a notable stamp
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of traditional finance credibility
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for Ripple's dollar-back token
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as the stablecoin race
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continues to heat up.
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In staying with Ripple, they're
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deepening their ties with one of
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Wall Street's oldest names.
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BNY is expanding its partnership
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with Ripple, adding XRP and
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the RLUSD stablecoin
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to its institutional custody
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platform.
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The bank already access RLUSD's
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primary reserve custodian, but
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under the new deal, BNY clients will
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be able to mint and redeem RL USD
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directly through the bank.
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The two are also exploring tokenized
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trade finance on XRP
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ledger, working with FinTech
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C2FO to
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finance approved invoices
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on chain.
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Then Robinhood's crypto engines
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revving up the company's crypto
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revenue jumped 20% from
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the prior quarter to $120 million.
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A new big contributor here is
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of course, Robinhood chain, the
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firm's own blockchain pulled
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in 26 million in
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its first full quarter on main nets
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after launching in July.
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Strip that out and core crypto
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trading revenue actually slipped 6%,
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remains down 55%
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from last year's bull market peak.
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Still trading volumes climbed 23%
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to nearly $50 billion
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and prediction markets revenue
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surged to 173
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million. The fight over prediction
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markets just escalated to
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the courts.
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The CFTC is suing the
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state of Utah, firing back
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after Utah sued platform Kalshi,
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accusing it of offering illegal
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gambling to residents.
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The federal regulator filed in the
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US district court in Utah against
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the state and its attorney general,
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Derek Brown, arguing Utah is
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trampling on the CFTC's turf.
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In its words, Congress entrusted the
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agency with sole responsibility to
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oversee these markets.
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It's the latest flash point in a
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growing tug of war between
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Washington and the states
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over who polices prediction
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markets.
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Then a brutal day for Data Vault
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AI.
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Shares of the company, ticker DVLT,
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cratered nearly 50% yesterday
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after it revealed it can't withdraw
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a large amount of Bitcoin from a
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third party wallet run by the
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Bitcoin economy exchange.
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The stock closed around 6.7
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cents down, almost 50% on the
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day. With roughly 250
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million shares trading.
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That's an eight-fold spike in
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trading activity.
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That locked up Bitcoin ties back to
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a deal with Silex, which had
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agreed to buy $150 million
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of Data Vault stock paid in
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Bitcoin.
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Now that payment is
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in limbo, so bad situation there.
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Then our final story, which will
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segue straight into the hot seat
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today.
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Chainlink is deepening its tie-up
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with S&P Global Ratings.
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And this one is aimed squarely at
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on-chain lending.
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The two are bringing SMP's
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vault risk assessments on
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chain, giving institutions and
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DeFi users direct access to
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independent analysis of lending
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vault risk right where they're
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deploying their capital.
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And the timing matters here because
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this market has exploded.
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Deposits in blockchain lending
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vaults hit roughly $10 billion in
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September up from just
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one and a half billion two years
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ago. The assessments weigh
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portfolio, credit quality, liquidity
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mismatch and protocol.
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And governance risk going
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live first on base.
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And that is where I will stop with
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the block bulletin today and
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I will welcome Andrew McCormick from
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Chainlink Labs to the show.
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Andrew, welcome to
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the Show. It's great to have you with
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us.
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Yeah, Garrett, thanks so much.
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Joy to be here.
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I'm a little nervous. You kept
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saying this is the hot seat, but all
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good, man. I'm excited to chat with
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you.
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It's called the hot seat, but that
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doesn't necessarily mean that I'm
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gonna put all of our guests through
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the ringer.
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So there's no need to stress,
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Andrew.
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Look, in layman's terms, can you
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break down this extension in
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this collaboration or this work that
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you're doing with SMP Global and
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what it means for both TradFi
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clients and DeFi crypto
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native users out there?
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Yeah, super excited about this
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news and thankful for the chance to
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chat about it with you today and all
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your many listeners.
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So look, S&P Global, it's
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one of the OGs in the financial
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space.
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They go back 150 years
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and for decade after decade,
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they're providing investors with
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critical information about risk.
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And whether you're an institution or
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you're a retail trader,
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risk is a critical part of the
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decision.
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So in October, a few weeks ago,
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they announced their vault risk
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assessments, looking at lending
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vaults, assessing risks on the
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typical AAA, the B, and
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you know, like we see in traditional
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equities and bonds,
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assessing risk for vaults looking at
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various factors like you teed up and
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what we're announcing today is
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they're putting that critical
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information about this exploding
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asset class on
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chain via Chainlink's data link
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product.
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And so super excited about
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this Because.
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The key to any healthy market
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is quality, accurate
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data. And we think this is gonna
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continue to explode this
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market and excited to work with
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S&P Global to make this possible.
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Can you talk a little bit about the
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chains that this will be rolling out
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to and how that might improve some
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of the data that various
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service providers in the crypto
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industry in general are providing,
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just considering how quickly
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TradFi is coming on chain and
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using our infrastructure.
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Yeah, absolutely. And what a perfect
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example. I mean, you have S&P again,
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old school, massive firm doing
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everything now putting
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data on chain.
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These worlds are not converging.
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I think it's here.
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It's converged.
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Launching today with this data going
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on to base, I suspect in the
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future, it'll be more and more
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announcements as this data continues
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to expand.
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And the beauty here, especially
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being on chain, if you're looking to
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make a decision on different vaults,
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you can look at the website and see
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that information.
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Or you can automate through smart
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contracts.
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And I think this is gonna be a big
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unlock for developers
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to automate a lot of these money
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transfers to vault to vault,
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figure out the best place to put
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your assets.
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This coincides nicely with a few
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weeks ago, we announced a launch
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called our vault adapters to
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allow people move assets across
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vault seamlessly.
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And I'm excited about the vault
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space and lending vaults exactly
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like you said, it's gone from 1.5
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billion to 10 billion in two years.
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Think that's like 600% increase.
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There's not a lot of markets that
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move that much that quickly.
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And vaults in general, massive
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opportunity you think of today in
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traditional rails, traditional
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finance, so much money
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is sitting with investment managers
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and checking accounts just sitting
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there.
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And a lot of times, especially in
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the checking accounts, bank
10:17
accounts, you're earning nothing or
10:19
like point 1%.
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And if vaults
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and these types of products will
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allow people to greater
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utility from their idle assets
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sitting there.
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This market's gonna explode,
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I believe.
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Yeah, you're 100% right.
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I mean, for the viewers out there
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that might not be too familiar with
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vaults, it's a term that's
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kind of crept up in the crypto
10:41
industry, especially in the last
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year. I think if
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you're well established in the
10:46
industry, you might know, but there
10:47
might be a few people out there that
10:48
don't understand what vaults are and
10:50
how they work. Can you break that
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down for us very quickly?
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Yeah, sure.
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So think if you have a smart
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contract, and it tells you this
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is how we're going to use any assets
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in here, lending, borrowing,
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some do investments, different
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portfolios, and you have a
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supermarket of different vaults to
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choose from of how you want your
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capital to be deployed.
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Some are automatic, it follows the
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set rules, others can, you know,
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bob and weave as things change.
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But if you think about a normal bank
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account, your money sitting there,
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you think about investment manager,
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they're sitting there lending vault.
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Assets going in often like stable
11:25
coins and then the vault
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allocator will
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you know curator will
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find the best place to
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use your assets to earn yield.
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Now with these S&P ratings you can
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see the risk involved right and you
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think okay that yields maybe not
11:40
worth that risk but now you are
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empowered to have a better decision
11:44
so it's all about deploying your own
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capital in an made a way
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to hopefully maximize
11:50
yield while.
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Bringing on the appropriate risk for
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you.
11:54
Andrew, can you talk to us a little
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bit about Chainlink's role in
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kind of merging both TradFi and
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DeFi in general?
12:01
I've had the privilege
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of chatting to Sergei Nazarov
12:05
quite a few times in my career.
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One of the smartest people out there
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for sure.
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But Chainlink plumbing is kind
12:12
of really operating under
12:14
the hood of a lot of things
12:15
happening between TradFi DeFi.
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Can you talk a little about this
12:18
evolution and perhaps how you've
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experienced it from your point of
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view?
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Yeah, absolutely.
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So I am new to the team.
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I joined the Chainlink crew in June,
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but for many, many years, I've seen
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Sergey and other Chainlink
12:31
leaders talk about what we're
12:33
witnessing today, this
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convergence.
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And this convergence is
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happening often through Chainlink
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infrastructure and Chainlink rails.
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And whether it's data, cross-chain,
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orchestration, more and more
12:46
compliance, all
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the leading institutions out there
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are using Chainlink it seems in some
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kind of way. And that's the TradFi
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players, DeFi, same
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thing. That's where we started.
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And now it's the kind of firms in
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between these fintechs like
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Robinhood, you mentioned,
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they use us for cross-chain
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for tokenized equities, data
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for tokenize equities.
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So we see ourselves as a key spoke,
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bringing all these worlds
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together and it doesn't happen
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instantly. And there's a ton of hard
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work that's happening in the
13:16
background, but there's more and
13:18
more happening every day.
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In. This convergence is real.
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And even just today, DTCC announced
13:23
their tokenization services are
13:25
live. This is real, like tokenized
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equities trading is happening via
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probably the largest financial
13:31
institution on planet earth.
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And Chainlink has been a big part of
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that DTTC story for
13:37
a while. So we're excited,
13:39
but tired too.
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Talking about Tide, you guys have
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the link conference coming
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up tomorrow. Can you talk a little
13:48
bit about that and who's going to be
13:49
there and what's on the agenda?
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Yeah, super excited about Link
13:54
NYC happening tomorrow.
13:55
We've got over a thousand attendees
13:57
coming. These are leaders from
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the banks, asset managers,
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fintechs, entrepreneurs,
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really excited.
14:05
Look, I'll admit, I'm biased, but
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I've never seen a better speaker
14:08
roster. We've leaders from
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Robinhood, DTCC.
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Pretty much every bank on the planet
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has a leader speaking there.
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Really, really, excited about this
14:19
moment.
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Focusing in on this convergence,
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right? And not just let's bring
14:23
these worlds together and let's
14:24
tokenize everything, but let's do it
14:26
in a way that is secure
14:28
and that it can scale and that we
14:30
can truly help people.
14:31
So all systems go on this
14:33
conference tomorrow in New York
14:35
City, hopefully lots of good
14:36
discussions, meetings,
14:39
you know, people hanging out and
14:41
learning, really, really excited
14:42
about it.
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Yeah, my final question to you,
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just a forward-looking statement on
14:47
the convergence of TradFi
14:49
and the crypto industry in general.
14:51
We've spent a lot of time in New
14:53
York in recent weeks.
14:54
We were there at the NASDAQ two
14:56
weeks ago for the listing of
14:57
Evernote, which is an XRP treasury
14:59
company.
15:00
A few weeks before that, we were at
15:01
Avalanche Summit and we spoke to
15:03
really the who's who from
15:05
big regulators,
15:07
big financial institutions that are
15:09
now coming on chain and tokenizing
15:11
assets. A lot of this wouldn't be
15:13
possible if we didn't
15:15
have service providers like
15:17
Chainlink when it comes to data
15:18
oracles and feeding high
15:20
quality information to both
15:22
crypto native companies like
15:24
exchanges and then, of course,
15:26
the other way around this
15:28
information from our industry to
15:30
big TradFi players, whether that's
15:33
NASDAQ, NYSE, these kind of
15:34
things.
15:36
Talk to us a little bit about why
15:37
perhaps you joined Chainlink and
15:39
where you see fitting into.
15:40
The future of financial
15:43
infrastructure.
15:44
I think it is the future of
15:45
financial infrastructure.
15:47
We're no longer saying TradFi and
15:49
DeFi, just pure finance.
15:51
And I've been in this space for
15:52
about nine years and I've excited
15:54
before.
15:55
Those types of excitement and
15:57
those moments before were often
15:58
about price and hype
16:00
and you know, like we see, we saw in
16:02
2017 and 2020.
16:04
It's so different this time.
16:06
It's about infrastructure and
16:07
building and building systems
16:09
that are gonna revolutionize the
16:11
world and not just about a token
16:13
price.
16:14
So I'm really excited about this.
16:16
Every step in my career, the last 10
16:18
years, go further and further down
16:19
this rabbit hole from E-Trade and
16:20
Morgan Stanley to E-Toro and
16:23
Chainlink. I just follow them
16:25
from so many years.
16:26
And when I heard Sergey a year
16:28
ago at our conference talk about one
16:30
of our new tools, the Chainlink
16:31
Runtime Environment, CRE,
16:33
which allows.
16:35
Banks, NASA managers to build on
16:37
the blockchain using their existing
16:39
rails and technology and systems.
16:41
That was this aha lipo moment
16:43
of like, this is gonna revolutionize
16:44
everything.
16:46
And DCCC is now using that very
16:48
tool. And I think so many more
16:50
will be doing so in the future.
16:52
So 2026 is a big year of
16:54
building. And I Think 2027 is gonna
16:55
be a massive year of scaling.
16:57
And my final, final question
16:59
to you, obviously you're head of
17:01
institutions. I'm very curious the
17:03
kind of people you have knocking on
17:04
your door already.
17:05
I would imagine at this stage,
17:08
Chainlink is a bit of a household
17:09
name, even in the traditional
17:11
finance sector when
17:13
it comes to data articles and
17:15
plugging into this infrastructure.
17:18
Are you doing a lot of call calling
17:19
or are people knocking on door from
17:21
the TradFi sector or is it a
17:23
bit a mix of both crypto and TradFi?
17:26
Yeah, definitely a mix, which is
17:28
exciting to see, you know, I spend a
17:29
lot of time at conferences and
17:31
love meeting people so often at
17:33
these events, you spread into chain
17:35
link gospel as much as possible.
17:36
But my favorite thing is probably on
17:38
the daily I open LinkedIn, I've got
17:39
some DM from somebody
17:42
asking how can we use chain link and
17:44
I love the diversity
17:45
entrepreneur startups, but even last
17:47
week or two weeks ago, one of the
17:49
largest asset managers on the planet
17:51
sends me a DM saying, hey,
17:53
we want to use chainlink.
17:54
How can we do it?
17:55
I will happily chat to
17:57
you about that.
17:57
So it's a wonderful mix.
17:59
We can be friends with everybody,
18:01
which I love.
18:02
And so really, really excited to be
18:03
here and excited about the future.
18:06
Beautiful. Andrew, thanks so much
18:07
for taking the time to chat to us
18:09
today.
18:10
All the best with the conference
18:11
tomorrow.
18:12
You were telling me you were stressed
18:13
or fair. Don't be stressed.
18:14
Everything will be fine.
18:15
You guys are great at what you
18:17
do and I'm sure it'll be a great
18:18
success.
18:19
Amazing wonderful chatting with you
18:20
and enjoy every moment with those
18:22
three kids
18:23
Beautiful, thank you very much.
18:24
Andrew, feel free to drop off.
18:27
We'll just be wrapping up the show
18:28
here for you joining us
18:30
today. Thanks so much for joining us
18:32
on The Starting Block.
18:33
We're just gonna chat a little bit
18:34
about the big news this afternoon
18:36
that'll be coming in.
18:37
Obviously, the FOMC is
18:39
expected to keep its benchmark
18:41
interest rates steady at somewhere
18:43
between 3.75%
18:45
and 4% at
18:47
the conclusion of its meeting later
18:49
today. That's US time.
18:50
Obviously we're here in Europe in
18:51
the afternoon already.
18:53
It's still morning time in the U.S.
18:55
So a lot to look forward to there.
18:57
I'm actually just opening up
18:58
Polymarket as we talk to try and
19:00
find the latest breakdown
19:02
of the Fed decision.
19:04
There's been no change according to
19:05
the Polymarket polls here.
19:08
It's looking like the majority
19:10
of people are
19:12
calling a 50
19:16
plus BPS decrease.
19:19
So it looks like that's
19:21
looking very, very likely.
19:23
Majority of people putting that in
19:24
there.
19:25
Always interesting to look at the
19:27
prediction markets to figure out
19:28
what sentiment is saying about
19:30
the particular outcome of
19:32
this call.
19:34
So we'll wait to see what happens
19:35
there. Obviously the final news
19:37
on the FOMC meeting will
19:39
come in later today.
19:40
And as we all know, that
19:42
usually has a very big impact on
19:44
the price of Bitcoin and crypto
19:46
markets in general.
19:47
So if you're wanting to find out the
19:49
latest on that, keep an eye out on
19:50
the block socials.
19:52
Our news team will be tweeting out
19:54
the outcome of that as soon as
19:56
it happens later this afternoon.
19:58
And if you are curious to hear a
19:59
little bit more on prediction
20:00
markets and why they are so
20:02
important, I did ask Anthony
20:03
Scaramucci about that at the
20:05
beginning of the show.
20:06
His candid thoughts on prediction
20:07
market and why are they both
20:09
positive and potentially a little
20:11
but negative for
20:13
the industry and society as a whole.
20:15
But overall, if you think it's
20:16
gambling, it's not quite the same as
20:18
a traditional gambling platform.
20:20
And if you want to hear.
20:21
Why Anthony Scaramucci thinks
20:23
that you can find that video on
20:25
my ex account for the full video,
20:27
or you can go onto the Blocks
20:29
YouTube channel, click on the live
20:30
segments of our YouTube channel and
20:32
you'll be able to find the full
20:34
episode of our conversation with
20:35
Anthony Scarmucci on our
20:38
platforms.
20:39
That will be it for today's
20:41
starting block show.
20:43
We are gonna be back tomorrow
20:44
afternoon. I'm looking forward to
20:46
tomorrow's show.
20:47
We've got Mark Boyeron from Polygon
20:49
joining us.
20:49
He's been very outspoken on social
20:51
media in recent months.
20:53
He's definitely one of my favorite
20:55
people in the industry, a
20:57
big Bitcoin proponent as well.
20:59
And he'll be talking to us about
21:00
polymarkets shift
21:02
towards payments in general.
21:05
And yeah, we'll have a wide ranging
21:06
conversation. So please set a
21:08
reminder on your calendars.
21:09
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21:11
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21:13
We will be broadcasting if
21:15
you're in the United States.
21:16
That's 1.30 p.m.
21:18
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21:19
here in Europe, of course, we've
21:19
already had daylight savings.
21:22
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21:23
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21:33
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21:35
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