Latest / Reformed Thinking / Missions Q&A Session by Go: West Coast Conference
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- 0:00Welcome to reformed thinking. This is the deep dive.
- 0:03Glad to be here. We take the sources you give us
- 0:05and we, well, we dive deep, try to distill those core insights,
- 0:10aiming for those, you know, aha moments.
- 0:12Right, making sense of it all. Exactly.
- 0:15And you've given us a really rich collection this time.
- 0:17Discussions from a recent conference all circling around
- 0:21the critical topic of missions. Yeah, a lot of material to work
- 0:24through. So our goal today, our mission
- 0:26for this deep dive is to unpack the biblical definitions, the
- 0:30driving forces, and maybe surprisingly, some modern
- 0:34applications of missions. We'll look at the vital role of
- 0:37local churches, which seems key in these sources.
- 0:40How short term efforts fit in, or maybe don't fit in sometimes.
- 0:43Yeah, there's some strong opinions there.
- 0:45And even the place of technology like artificial intelligence, AI
- 0:49in proclaiming Christ around the world, it's quite a mix.
- 0:52It really is. And we've got perspectives from
- 0:55several people who've, you know, spent their lives wrestling with
- 0:58these ideas, Speakers like Paul Brooks, Kosty, Chad, Jason.
- 1:03Good lineup. Yeah.
- 1:04So we'll be drawing directly from what they said to try and
- 1:06grasp what biblical missions really look like, trying to move
- 1:09past some maybe common misunderstandings.
- 1:13Clearing things up. Yeah, aiming to clarify not just
- 1:15what was said, but maybe why it matters for every believer, for
- 1:20you listening. OK, sounds good.
- 1:23Let's let's unpack this right from the start.
- 1:25Then, when we talk about missions, what does Scripture
- 1:28truly mean by that term? And importantly, what might we
- 1:31sometimes mistake for it? Right.
- 1:33Well, the sources we looked at, they're pretty unified on this
- 1:35first point. OK, missions, biblical missions
- 1:39cannot be separated from local church ministry.
- 1:42That's the best. Problem be separated.
- 1:43Yeah, it's fundamentally described as, let me get the
- 1:47phrasing right, one biblical church sending out elder
- 1:50qualified Proclaimers and qualified fellow workers.
- 1:54Elder qualified. That's specific.
- 1:56Very specific and qualified fellow workers too.
- 1:58And the aim in order to plant another biblical church.
- 2:01So planting a church is the goal.
- 2:03It's the explicit goal in this definition.
- 2:06And the sources really emphasize this isn't just, you know, a
- 2:08nice idea. It's presented as a foundational
- 2:11principle we need to hold onto tightly.
- 2:14It shapes everything else. OK.
- 2:15So church centric right from the get go, that definitely seems to
- 2:21correct. Maybe some broader ideas we
- 2:22might have floating around. Yeah, I think it does.
- 2:25But how does that definition then distinguish missions from
- 2:28other, you know, good works, Things we often associate with
- 2:31Christian service, Mercy ministries, social outreach,
- 2:34that kind of thing? Yeah, and that's a really
- 2:36critical distinction that the sources spend time on.
- 2:39They draw a clear line between two key things.
- 2:42On the one hand, you have the great commandment, love God,
- 2:45love your neighbor. That expresses itself in acts of
- 2:48compassion, mercy, helping people.
- 2:49Absolutely vital. Right.
- 2:51Love your neighbor. But then you have the Great
- 2:52Commission, which is the specific instruction to go make
- 2:56disciples, baptize them, teach them everything Christ
- 2:58commanded. The marching orders, so to
- 3:00speak. Exactly with the specific aim of
- 3:02establishing churches where those disciples can gather and
- 3:06grow. OK, so while digging a well or
- 3:10opening an orphanage, providing medical care, these are
- 3:13absolutely good acts of neighborly love.
- 3:16They fulfill the great commandment.
- 3:18Good things, Definitely good things, but the sources insist
- 3:22they are not in themselves fulfilling the Great Commission.
- 3:26OK, so different mandates. Different mandates, and while
- 3:28they're meant to work together, you know, integrate somehow,
- 3:31they need to be understood as distinct in their primary aim.
- 3:35Why is that distinction so important to maintain?
- 3:38What's the risk if they get blurred?
- 3:40Well the concern raised is that if you merge them completely,
- 3:43you often end up diluting this specific unique gospel centered
- 3:47mission of the church. The proclamation part can get
- 3:51lost in the doing good part. I see.
- 3:53So these good works like say medical missions or community
- 3:57development projects, they definitely have value.
- 3:59Oh. Absolutely.
- 3:59The sources praise them. But if they're not the Great
- 4:01Commission itself, how do they properly relate to it?
- 4:04Where do they fit in this framework right?
- 4:06They absolutely have a place and the speakers commend these Mercy
- 4:09ministries, medical work, orphanages, development
- 4:11projects, all that. However, and this is the key,
- 4:16they are only considered biblically valid and I guess
- 4:21effective in a mission sense to the degree that they are tied to
- 4:25church planting or church strengthening.
- 4:27Tied to church. Planting.
- 4:29The crucial point they make is if these ministries don't
- 4:32ultimately culminate in the gospel in the church, meaning if
- 4:36they don't serve the goal of people hearing the gospel being
- 4:39converted and then being gathered into a healthy local
- 4:42body of believers, then from a Great Commission perspective,
- 4:46they're seen as ultimately just short term, or as one speaker
- 4:49put it, quite graphically, band aids on ships that are going
- 4:52underwater. Wow, that's stark.
- 4:54It is, but the reasoning behind it is this.
- 4:58Christians bring something unique to the world, something
- 5:01no other group, no government, no NGO possesses, which is the
- 5:05message of life from darkness to light, from death to life, the
- 5:08gospel. So without that gospel message
- 5:12leading to salvation and incorporation into the Church,
- 5:15any material or physical improvement, however good and
- 5:18beneficial it is, it can only address temporal suffering.
- 5:22It doesn't address the eternal reality.
- 5:25The goal isn't just alleviating immediate symptoms, but bringing
- 5:28the ultimate, eternal solution through Christ.
- 5:31That paints a very specific picture, one that maybe some
- 5:34might find quite narrow. Perhaps it's a suggests a very
- 5:38particular focus. It is a very particular focus,
- 5:40yes. Has this understanding, this
- 5:42intense focus on church planting as the telos of missions, has
- 5:46this always been the primary viewer within the church, or has
- 5:50it shifted? Well, that's interesting.
- 5:52The sources actually expressed some sadness, some concern here.
- 5:56They suggest that maybe in the last 100 years or so, this
- 6:00specific focus on church planting as the primary goal of
- 6:03the Great Commission has been, well, somewhat diminished, maybe
- 6:06even lost in some parts of the broader Christian world.
- 6:09Really. So what was the earlier model
- 6:11then? If you look back at the book of
- 6:12Acts, that's presented as the clear biblical model for
- 6:16missions. OK, Acts.
- 6:17What did the apostles do? They evangelized.
- 6:20People got converted. They gathered those converts
- 6:23into local churches. Immunity.
- 6:25Exactly. And crucially, they didn't
- 6:28consider their work finished. They didn't move on until those
- 6:31churches had qualified elders in place.
- 6:34Leadership. Yes, local leadership, eldership
- 6:36so the church could stand on its own, govern itself and
- 6:39importantly, self propagate. Keep the mission going.
- 6:43Self-sustaining. That's the idea.
- 6:45Think about Paul's statement in Romans 15.
- 6:47He says something like there's no more work for me to do in
- 6:50these regions. Even though not everyone had
- 6:52heard the gospel. Right.
- 6:53Precisely. He knew only a small percentage
- 6:55had likely been directly exposed.
- 6:58But his statement signals something important about his
- 7:00goal. What's that?
- 7:02He viewed the Great Commission as fulfilled in those areas.
- 7:05Once healthy churches were planted, he saw them as outposts
- 7:09of light or embassies of the Kingdom.
- 7:12Embassies of the Kingdom. I like that, yeah.
- 7:14And the sources explain why this church focus is so critical from
- 7:18a long term perspective. Individual converts, if they're
- 7:21not gathered into robust gospel preaching churches, they often,
- 7:27well, their faith might only last one generation.
- 7:30Really. Yeah.
- 7:30They lack the consistent teaching, the accountability,
- 7:33the community, the sacraments, all the things needed to sustain
- 7:37faith and pass it on effectively.
- 7:38Makes sense? But churches, healthy churches,
- 7:41by God's grace and through the work of the Spirit, they can
- 7:44last for generations. They multiply.
- 7:46They spread the gospel far beyond the reach of the initial
- 7:49missionary. So it's about long term impact,
- 7:51not just initial decisions. Exactly.
- 7:53And it's this long term, self-sustaining church planting
- 7:56vision that the sources suggest has been maybe tragically
- 8:00diminished in recent times. That clarity on defining
- 8:03missions, really grounding it in church planting is so helpful.
- 8:06It sets the stage significantly good.
- 8:08But if that's the what the definition, what about the why?
- 8:10What's the engine behind all this?
- 8:12What should compel A believer you know you listening to
- 8:15genuinely engage in missions, whether that's going or sending?
- 8:19Right, the motivation, well, the sources point to a core
- 8:22motivation. It's actually quite simple, but
- 8:24also profoundly spiritual. OK, boils down to this.
- 8:27Christ's love to me compels my love to Him.
- 8:30Christ's love to me. Yes, He is initiating love for
- 8:33us. That love then compels our love
- 8:36to Him. And so I want to obey Him and do
- 8:39what He has commanded. So obedience flows from love,
- 8:42which flows from his love. Precisely, yeah.
- 8:44It's not about mere duty or obligation, like just taking a
- 8:48box. It's presented as an internal
- 8:50drive. An internal.
- 8:51Drive, yeah, and obedience that arises from a heart that's been
- 8:53changed by God's grace. It links back to the New
- 8:56Covenant promise, right? Where God's says He'll write His
- 8:58laws on our hearts and cause us to walk in His ways.
- 9:01Ezekiel 36. Jeremiah 31.
- 9:03Exactly that spiritual renewal gives us a genuine desire to
- 9:07obey His Word, which includes this very clear command to go
- 9:10and proclaim Him to those who haven't heard.
- 9:12So the compulsion is an external pressure.
- 9:15It's an internal reality of the new birth.
- 9:17That's how it's framed, an outflow of a love for Christ
- 9:21that he himself first kindled in us.
- 9:23That makes sense. It also sounds like there's a
- 9:25deeply personal, almost familial aspect to this obedience as
- 9:30well, beyond just following a command, like there's a
- 9:32relationship involved. Oh, absolutely.
- 9:35And one speaker described this with a really striking, intense
- 9:38image, almost like a parent's fierce urgency.
- 9:41What was the image? The driving thought was bring my
- 9:44daughter home to me. Wow.
- 9:46Bring my daughter home, Yeah. It's an analogy, of course, but
- 9:50it helps us grasp this idea that God has an elect people chosen
- 9:54in Christ, scattered across the world, and right now many of
- 9:58them are effectively enslaved and spiritual darkness.
- 10:01They're suffering, maybe even sold and bartered by false
- 10:04ideologies, imprisoned by sin and Satan.
- 10:07That's a powerful perspective. It is.
- 10:09And that outlook, seeing it that way, it evokes a kind of fierce
- 10:12courage, fighting spirit, a recognition, as one speaker put
- 10:16it, that humans were made to fight not against flesh and
- 10:18blood ultimately, but for God's purposes in the spiritual realm.
- 10:21A willingness to engage in the battle.
- 10:23Yes, a call to be willing to risk, to fight hell if you have
- 10:30to die in order to bring them home.
- 10:32To bring God's lost children into his family through the
- 10:36gospel message. That really transforms missions,
- 10:38doesn't it? From just a program or
- 10:40theological concept to an urgent spiritual battle for souls
- 10:44fueled by, well, divine affection, almost.
- 10:47Exactly. It strips away any sense of
- 10:49passivity. It becomes deeply personal and
- 10:51urgent. And ultimately, listening to the
- 10:53sources, it sounds like all these different motivations,
- 10:55obedience driven by love, the familial urgency, they all seem
- 10:59to culminate in one overarching reality, which is the supreme
- 11:02worth of Christ himself. Yes, that's precisely it.
- 11:06That's the absolute peak. Ultimately, all these
- 11:09motivations find their zenith their highest point in the
- 11:12inherent worthiness of Jesus Christ, the.
- 11:14Lamb is worthy. That statement, the Lamb is
- 11:17worthy, it just encapsulates everything.
- 11:18He is worthy of all glory and honor.
- 11:21And this understanding, this conviction of his boundless
- 11:24worthiness, that is what ultimately drives a believers
- 11:27desire to participate in missions.
- 11:30Because when you truly perceive Him as He is, when His glory
- 11:33grips your heart, the sources tell us, you'll never regret
- 11:38what you gave to Him or for His cause.
- 11:40Never regret what you gave. Right.
- 11:42Their only regret, if they have any at all, will be what they
- 11:45kept, what they held back from him.
- 11:47That really shifts the perspective on sacrifice,
- 11:50doesn't it? Completely.
- 11:51It transforms giving, going, suffering, sacrificing.
- 11:54It moves it from being a burden or a loss into a joyful, almost
- 11:58reflexive response to seeing unparalleled worth.
- 12:03It's a conviction that nothing we could possibly give even
- 12:05compares to what he's done for us, or just to his own intrinsic
- 12:09value. Exactly.
- 12:10That's the ultimate fuel for the fire, his worthiness.
- 12:13OK, let's shift gears a bit. Short term missions, STMS,
- 12:16they're incredibly popular in many churches, right?
- 12:18Lots of youth groups go adult teens.
- 12:20Very common, yeah, but they also seem to attract a fair bit of
- 12:23criticism sometimes. What are the main criticisms we
- 12:26heard in the sources? And maybe more importantly, how
- 12:28do the sources suggest they can be done well, if at all?
- 12:31Right. Well, the sources definitely
- 12:32highlighted several pretty significant downsides to poorly
- 12:36executed STM's. Yeah, and they they didn't
- 12:41really pull any punches. OK, let's hear it.
- 12:43One major criticism was just the staggering cost, the financials.
- 12:48How so? They gave an example of the
- 12:50price of sending, say, 40 young people on what one speaker
- 12:54somewhat cynically called a sanctified vacation.
- 12:57Ouch. Yeah, that same amount of money
- 13:00could potentially fund 20 to 25 national church planters for an
- 13:05entire year. Wow, that's a huge disparity.
- 13:08It really makes you think about stewardship, doesn't it?
- 13:11Another issue raised was the preparation, or lack thereof, of
- 13:14many participants, especially younger ones.
- 13:17The view expressed was pretty strong.
- 13:19Individuals shouldn't be sent to the field so that they can
- 13:21acquire the fire for missions. Get motivated out there.
- 13:24Yeah, like it's some kind of spiritual tourism to light their
- 13:26fire. Instead, they should be sent
- 13:28because they already have the fire, meaning they've already
- 13:31demonstrated genuine dedication, service, and maturity at their
- 13:36home church. Maybe they've read the whole
- 13:38Bible. Maybe they've engaged in serious
- 13:40theological study like systematic theology.
- 13:43They've served faithfully locally first.
- 13:46So sending unprepared people can actually be counterproductive.
- 13:49That was definitely the argument.
- 13:51It could do more harm than good. More harm than good?
- 13:53That sounds like they could even be a hindrance to the long term
- 13:56work happening on the ground. They absolutely can be,
- 13:58according to these sources. Missionaries who are living and
- 14:02working long term on the field, they often find these poorly
- 14:06planned STM's a significant burden.
- 14:09A burden How? One speaker mentioned that some
- 14:12missionaries actually dread the summer months.
- 14:14Bread them? Yeah, because churches sometimes
- 14:16send teens of people who frankly, in the words of one
- 14:19speaker, have no business there. They're unprepared, maybe
- 14:23immature. Then the missionary has to.
- 14:25The missionary ends up having to basically entertain children,
- 14:28manage the group, solve their problems instead of focusing on
- 14:32their primary vital work. Gospel proclamation,
- 14:34information, discipleship, Church planting, their core
- 14:37mission. Get sidelined.
- 14:39That's not good. No, missions, as it was
- 14:41described, is not a game. It's a war, a spiritual war.
- 14:45And participation in that war, especially on the front lines,
- 14:49should be earned through serious preparation, spiritual
- 14:52discipline, a clear understanding of the stakes.
- 14:56It shouldn't just be assumed anyone can jump in for a week.
- 14:59Earned, not assumed. Right.
- 15:01And beyond that, a major criticism was the motivation
- 15:04behind many STM's. What about the motivation?
- 15:07Many are criticized for being designed primarily for the
- 15:10benefit of the Western participant.
- 15:12How so? You know, forgetting those
- 15:13Instagram worthy selfies in a foreign context or having a life
- 15:16changing experience or simply to change your life.
- 15:19The focus shifts from the mission itself to the personal
- 15:22growth or experience of the short termer.
- 15:23And the sources saw that as. As a fun, fundamentally twisted
- 15:27understanding of Christian missions, it inverts the
- 15:30purpose. It makes the primary goal
- 15:32serving the participants experience rather than serving
- 15:35God's Kingdom and the people they're supposedly there to
- 15:38reach. OK, so those are some pretty
- 15:40significant pitfalls. Cost.
- 15:42Lack of preparation, burdening missionaries, wrong motivations.
- 15:45Yeah, it's a sobering list. So given all that, how can STMS
- 15:50be conducted effectively? How can they actually align with
- 15:53biblical missions and support the long term work rather than
- 15:56detracting from it? Is there a good way?
- 15:58Yes, the sources do offer a way forward.
- 16:01The key they suggest is to completely reorient the purpose
- 16:05of the trip. Reorient the purpose.
- 16:07Now, instead of centering the trip on the participants
- 16:10experience or growth, STM should be solely exclusively about the
- 16:14mission there focused. Outward, not inward.
- 16:17Exactly. Meaning they exist purely to
- 16:19serve and support the long term missionary or the national
- 16:23church partner on the ground. The ones who will continue the
- 16:25work long after the short term team has gone home.
- 16:28How does that practically change things?
- 16:30It requires churches back home to stop planning trips based on
- 16:34what they think would be good or what their people want to do.
- 16:37Instead, they need to actively consult their missionary
- 16:39partners on the field with real intentionality.
- 16:43Ask the missionary first. Yes, ask them directly what do
- 16:46you need, how can we actually help you and the work God is
- 16:51doing there. This completely changes the
- 16:53dynamic. It moves from a top down, often
- 16:56western centric approach to one of humble strategic support for
- 17:00those already laboring. So it's service driven based on
- 17:03needs identified on the field. Precisely.
- 17:06And this also means these trips should be viewed as a privilege,
- 17:09not a right. A privilege.
- 17:11Yeah, requiring rigorous preparation, spiritual maturity,
- 17:14genuine dedication. Churches should be screening
- 17:16participants, sending only those who are truly ready to be assets
- 17:20on the field, not liabilities. OK, that makes sense.
- 17:22Can you give us some concrete examples?
- 17:24What would that kind of specific helpful support look like in an
- 17:27STM? Absolutely.
- 17:29The sources suggest the most effective use of STMS is often
- 17:32to send in specialists, people who possess specific skills or
- 17:35expertise that meet a defined, often urgent need that the long
- 17:39term missionary or national church has identified.
- 17:42Like what? OK, for instance, sending
- 17:45pastor, theologians, men who really know how to exposite
- 17:49scripture, well, send me them for maybe a week or two
- 17:52specifically to train men on the field.
- 17:55Training local leaders. Exactly.
- 17:57Local pastors, aspiring elders, church leaders, giving them
- 18:00solid biblical interpretation skills, sound doctrine that has
- 18:04a lasting impact. OK, what else?
- 18:06Another example, sending contractors or other skilled
- 18:09tradespeople, maybe plumbers, electricians, builders,
- 18:11construction. Yeah, to build a repair
- 18:13facilities needed for the mission, maybe for a Bible
- 18:16college, an orphanage, a church building providing critical
- 18:19infrastructure that directly supports the long term ministry.
- 18:22Practical, tangible support. Very practical.
- 18:25Or here's another one, sending experienced children's ministry
- 18:29workers, but not just to run Avbs for the local kids for a
- 18:32week. No, but then.
- 18:34The goal would be to train local people, local church members, on
- 18:39how to run programs like Vacation Bible School
- 18:42effectively in their own communities, using their own
- 18:44resources and language. Empowering them for sustainable
- 18:47ministry. Exactly.
- 18:48It's about equipping, not just doing it for them.
- 18:51These are examples where the short term team fills a specific
- 18:54gap, provides specialized training, or completes A crucial
- 18:57project that genuinely empowers the long term work instead of
- 19:01just being a brief disconnected event.
- 19:03That's a much more strategic vision for STM.
- 19:05It really is focused on the need, focused on the long term.
- 19:08OK, this next topic feels very 21st century.
- 19:12It probably wasn't on the minds of missionaries even a few
- 19:14decades ago, right? Artificial intelligence?
- 19:17AI. Does AI have a proper place in
- 19:20visions? What did the sources say about
- 19:23this? Yeah, this was a fascinating
- 19:24part of the discussion. The sources presented a very
- 19:27careful, very nuanced view here. Nuanced out.
- 19:30They generally viewed AI as potentially valid, even helpful,
- 19:34for missions, but only in specific supportive capacities.
- 19:37Supportive roles. Yes, primarily in areas where it
- 19:41genuinely enhances efficiency over comes logistical barriers
- 19:44or maybe scales access to resources.
- 19:47But there was a very strong, very clear, unqualified
- 19:52rejection of using AI in the core spiritual aspects of
- 19:55ministry, preaching, pastoring, that kind of thing.
- 19:58So a definite line in the sand. A very clear line.
- 20:01Applying AI to those core functions was seen as
- 20:04fundamentally problematic. One speaker even used the word
- 20:07abomination. Abomination.
- 20:09Strong word. OK, so where is AI considered
- 20:13acceptable or maybe even helpful in missions?
- 20:16Translation work was by far the most frequently highlighted and
- 20:19accepted use, and you can see why, right?
- 20:21Makes sense. Language barriers are huge.
- 20:23Huge AI can be a tremendous benefit here, translating vital
- 20:27theological material, sermons, books, Bible curricula into
- 20:29different languages, making sound doctrine accessible in
- 20:32places where it's scarce or where finding skilled human
- 20:35translators is difficult or slow.
- 20:37Any examples given? Yeah, they mentioned AI being
- 20:39used to translate entire theological curricula into
- 20:41languages like Hindi, apparently in something crazy like 30
- 20:45seconds, providing potentially a year's worth of solid teaching
- 20:48material. Almost instantly.
- 20:51Another ministry was mentioned that successfully used AI to
- 20:54translate their online content into Spanish.
- 20:57Their Spanish ministry apparently grew to be 4 times
- 21:00larger than their original English one.
- 21:02AI opened doors they couldn't have opened otherwise just due
- 21:05to scale. Incredible reach potential.
- 21:07There definitely beyond translation, AI can also assist
- 21:11significantly with administrative tasks.
- 21:14Like what? Managing complex financial
- 21:16reporting between countries, handling legal compliance
- 21:19issues, processing grant applications, coordinating
- 21:22logistics for missionaries. Things that take up a lot of
- 21:25time and energy. Streamlining the practical side.
- 21:27Exactly. It can help diminish to some
- 21:30degree, as one speaker put it, the linguistic and bureaucratic
- 21:33barriers that missionaries face, potentially freeing them up more
- 21:36for direct ministry and accelerating the practical
- 21:39aspects of gospel spread. So efficiency, scale, overcoming
- 21:42barriers, that seems to be the theme for acceptable uses.
- 21:46That's the common thread, yes. Not replacing core spiritual
- 21:49functions. OK, with such a powerful tool
- 21:52though, what are the key ethical considerations?
- 21:55If you're going to use AI in missions, what guardrails need
- 21:58to be in place? Crucial question The sources
- 22:01stressed that if AI is used, it must be employed with good
- 22:04ethics and clear integrity. Like what specifically?
- 22:08Transparency was key. Being honest with the audience
- 22:11about a IS involvement. For example.
- 22:13For example, if you use an AI generated voice for a video
- 22:16narration, don't alter the speaker's lip movements to match
- 22:19perfectly, creating a false impression.
- 22:22It's the actual person speaking that language.
- 22:24The public should know what's going on.
- 22:26Avoid any kind of deception. Transparency.
- 22:29Got it. What else?
- 22:30Another critical ethical point was the absolute need for human
- 22:33oversight, particularly theological oversight.
- 22:36You need human subject matter experts.
- 22:39The sources emphasize seminary educated men, here reflecting
- 22:42the context of the discussion, to rigorously review, refine and
- 22:45ensure the accuracy and theological soundness of any AI
- 22:48generated content. Why is that so vital?
- 22:50Because AI, especially when dealing with complex theological
- 22:53nuances or biblical interpretation, often produces
- 22:56results that are only, say, about 60 to 70% percent accurate
- 23:00or appropriate. Only 6070%.
- 23:02Yeah, so to just take AI output and disseminate it without
- 23:06rigorous human checking and correction would be
- 23:09irresponsible. You'd risk spreading error,
- 23:11misrepresenting scripture, teaching bad doctrine.
- 23:15That's a serious ethical and theological failing.
- 23:18So human validation is non negotiable.
- 23:20Absolutely paramount. Yeah.
- 23:21Transparency and human validation.
- 23:23OK, now let's wait to that clear boundary line you mentioned.
- 23:26Where is AI absolutely forbidden in ministry according to these
- 23:30sources, even if it seems like it could be effective?
- 23:33The line was drawn very firmly at preaching and sermon writing.
- 23:36No AI preachers. An absolute rejection of using
- 23:39AI to preach or even to write sermons for a human to deliver.
- 23:42This was strongly condemned. Again, that phrase dancing with
- 23:45the the Devil came up. Dancing with the Devil.
- 23:47It was seen as fundamentally undermining the unique personal
- 23:50spirit LED work of a human preacher.
- 23:52Why? What's unique about the human
- 23:54preacher that AI can't replicate?
- 23:56Preaching, as the sources explained it, involves more than
- 23:59just conveying information accurately.
- 24:02It involves the immediate illumination of the Holy Spirit
- 24:04in the moment of preparation and delivery.
- 24:07It involves the unique work of the Spirit through fallible,
- 24:11embodied human beings. Fallible humans.
- 24:14Yes, that fallibility is part of it.
- 24:16God uses weak vessels, that personal connection, that
- 24:19wrestling with the text, that dependence on the Spirit that
- 24:22cannot by its very nature be replicated by a machine, no
- 24:26matter how sophisticated. So even if AI could
- 24:29theoretically craft a sermon that was more eloquent or
- 24:32logically structured. Even then, even if AI could
- 24:35somehow preach better than we can in terms of rhetoric or
- 24:38organization, using it for that core spiritual function is still
- 24:42considered an abomination. Why abomination?
- 24:44Why such a strong term? What's the underlying principle?
- 24:47The underlying principle seems to be that the Christian faith,
- 24:50the Church, and all true ministry are inherently embodied
- 24:53and relational. They involve real people in real
- 24:56space and time. Embodied and relational.
- 24:58Yes, AI being disembodied and non relational in a human sense
- 25:03should never replace direct physical presence and
- 25:06interaction. Interaction among believers, and
- 25:09especially between a pastor and his flock.
- 25:11So concepts like a virtual church run by AI or using AI
- 25:15bots for pastoral care or teaching.
- 25:18Those are considered not what that is.
- 25:20They fundamentally misunderstand the nature of the church and
- 25:23ministry. They lack the physical presence,
- 25:25the personal knowledge built over time, the shared human
- 25:28experience, the empathy born of shared fallibility, the tears,
- 25:32the prayers, everything essential to true Christian
- 25:35community and pastoral care. It lacks the human element, the
- 25:38incarnational aspect almost. Precisely.
- 25:40One speaker made the point very powerfully.
- 25:42The Lord didn't even send angels to preach the word for us, He
- 25:45sent fallible men. Good point.
- 25:47So the concern isn't primarily about the technology of AI
- 25:50itself. It's more about the potential
- 25:52for a superficial theology that might lead someone to misuse it
- 25:56in these sacred areas, thereby distorting the very nature of
- 25:59what God has ordained for His Church and the proclamation of
- 26:01His Word. It's about preserving the God
- 26:04ordained means human relational, spirit dependent ministry.
- 26:09That seems to be the core concern, yes.
- 26:11OK, we've covered a lot. The definition of missions, the
- 26:14motivation, strategies like STM, the place of technology.
- 26:18This brings us back home in a sense.
- 26:20What about the local church itself?
- 26:23The sending church, The home base.
- 26:25What is its proper role in global missions according to
- 26:29these sources? Well, the home church isn't just
- 26:31involved. It's absolutely critical.
- 26:33It's foundational. Remember the definition we
- 26:35started? With yeah 1 biblical church
- 26:37sending out. Exactly 1 biblical church
- 26:39sending out elder, qualified Proclaimers and qualified fellow
- 26:43workers to plant another church. The definition itself starts
- 26:48with the local church. So Missions is an outflow of the
- 26:50church. It should be an outflow of a
- 26:52healthy, functioning local church.
- 26:53The home church has the primary responsibility, according to
- 26:56these sources, for identifying, affirming, equipping, and then
- 27:00sending out the goers, the goers, the missionaries
- 27:03themselves. Right.
- 27:04And notice it's about identifying those who already
- 27:07have the fire for missions, those who've proven their
- 27:10calling, their character, their dedication through consistent
- 27:14study, faithful service within their local congregation first,
- 27:18and who have a clear gospel witness right where they are.
- 27:21So the church isn't just like a travel agency for anyone who
- 27:24wants to go. Definitely not.
- 27:26It's a discerning body. It's responsible for sending
- 27:29those who have been clearly called and are adequately
- 27:32prepared theologically, spiritually, practically.
- 27:35This requires intentional discipleship within the local
- 27:38church, actively identifying those with the gifts at heart
- 27:41for the nations, and providing robust preparation before
- 27:44sending them out. OK, so the church identifies,
- 27:47equips, and sends the goers, but what about the rest of us, those
- 27:50who aren't called to go across cultures?
- 27:53How do we participate from the home base?
- 27:54Yeah, and this is where that well known saying, often
- 27:57attributed to John Piper, comes in handy.
- 27:59Go send or disobey. Go send or disobey, OK?
- 28:03It highlights that every single believer has a critical role to
- 28:07play in fulfilling the Great Commission.
- 28:10If you're not called to go, then you're called to be an excellent
- 28:13sender. An excellent sender.
- 28:15What does that involve it? Involves a lot.
- 28:18It can mean actively raising your children, nurturing and
- 28:21discipling them in such a way that they might become goers.
- 28:25Praying for that even. Raising up the next generation.
- 28:28It involves disciple in other church members right there in
- 28:30your local context, stirring within them a heart for the
- 28:33nation's, encouraging them to consider missionary service if
- 28:37God might be calling them. Encouraging others.
- 28:39Definitely. And of course, it means
- 28:41financially supporting missionaries generously,
- 28:44recognizing, as one speaker put it, that often first world money
- 28:48also drives Third World missions, providing the
- 28:51practical resources needed. Financial support is crucial.
- 28:55Absolutely, and it also includes praying fervently for
- 28:57missionaries and the unreached, and actively stirring up zeal
- 29:01for missions within the church community through prayer
- 29:04meetings, updates, encouragement.
- 29:06Creating a supportive environment.
- 29:08Exactly. Creating what was called a good
- 29:10ecosystem, An environment where the goers feel supported and are
- 29:15unashamed to ask the senders for the practical, financial and
- 29:19prayer support they desperately need.
- 29:21And the senders. And the senders see their money,
- 29:23their time, their homes, their very lies, not as their own, but
- 29:26as resources belonging to God entrusted to them, to be used
- 29:30strategically to enable the gospel to go out to the ends of
- 29:33the earth. It's a partnership, A symbiotic
- 29:35relationship really. Very much so.
- 29:38Goers and senders equally vital, working together under God.
- 29:42Now here's a potential tension. Is there a risk that a home
- 29:45church, by focusing so much energy and resources on global
- 29:49missions, might end up neglecting its local ministry?
- 29:52You know the needs right there in its own community.
- 29:54That's a fair question, yeah, but the sources argued pretty
- 29:57strongly that there's no inherent risk here, provided the
- 30:00motivation for global missions is genuinely biblical.
- 30:03How? So.
- 30:04The argument is that a church genuinely biblically focused on
- 30:08global missions is demonstrating a true preoccupation with the
- 30:11gospel itself and a deep desire to obey the Great Commission.
- 30:15And that kind of passion, that gospel centrality, the sources
- 30:19contend, will naturally overflow into healthy, vibrant local
- 30:23ministry as well. You can't be passionate about
- 30:26reaching the unreached far away if you're indifferent to the
- 30:29lost right next door. The passion should apply
- 30:31everywhere. Right.
- 30:33Plus, think about it. To to be effectively involved in
- 30:37setting out qualified missionaries, a church likely
- 30:39needs to have things in place locally, like qualified elders
- 30:42themselves, and establish ways of raising up leaders.
- 30:45That indicates robust local health to begin with.
- 30:48Good point. The sending capacity reflects
- 30:50local health. Exactly.
- 30:52Now a pastor's primary day-to-day calling is still
- 30:54absolutely to shepherd and love the people who come to that
- 30:57church and to feed them faithfully with God's Word.
- 31:01His focus shouldn't be to just use them for some global vision.
- 31:04Right, shepherd the flock first. Absolutely.
- 31:07But here's the interesting paradox, the sources pointed
- 31:10out. If a pastor faithfully devotes
- 31:13himself to pastoring his local flock while feeding them, caring
- 31:17for them, God often sovereignly uses that healthy local ministry
- 31:21to raise up other people from within that flock that will
- 31:25really be involved in this Great Commission.
- 31:26So healthy local church life fuels missions.
- 31:29That's the idea. They use the example of Doctor
- 31:31John MacArthur. His primary focus for decades
- 31:34has been faithfully pastoring Grace Community Church.
- 31:36Right, expository preaching week after week.
- 31:39Exactly. And yet, out of that intense
- 31:41local focus, God raised up a massive global movement,
- 31:45training countless pastors and missionaries through the
- 31:47seminary and other ministries, who then went out from that
- 31:49healthy local church to preach the gospel worldwide.
- 31:53So the passion for the gospel at home inevitably overflows.
- 31:56It doesn't have to be either. That's the argument.
- 31:58A truly gospel centered church will be missional both locally
- 32:01and globally. The same heartbeat drives both.
- 32:04OK, this has been incredibly helpful, clarifying so many
- 32:08aspects we've talked about the what definition, the why
- 32:11motivation, the how strategies like SDMS, tech, the home church
- 32:16role. Now maybe the final piece.
- 32:19How do we measure success? Yes, measuring success always
- 32:25tricky. How does a missionary, or maybe
- 32:28the supporting church back home, know when the work is actually
- 32:32done in a particular region or among a people group?
- 32:36What's the finish line look like, right?
- 32:37Well, according to the sources, a missionary specific task in a
- 32:41given region is generally considered done when a certain
- 32:44goal is reached, which is the establishment of a healthy,
- 32:47reproducing, self-sustaining gospel church with their own
- 32:49elders and deacons. Healthy reproducing,
- 32:52self-sustaining with local leadership.
- 32:54That's quite a list. It is, and it's not just a
- 32:55simple checklist. It implies several critical
- 32:58components are in place. Like what?
- 32:59It means there are local men raised up from within that
- 33:02church who can clearly and faithfully proclaim the Gospel.
- 33:05Means the Church understands and properly practices the
- 33:08sacraments. Baptism in the Lord's Supper.
- 33:10Ordinances are key. Yes, it means they understand
- 33:13and are willing to practice biblical church discipline as
- 33:17laid out in Scripture for the health and purity of the body.
- 33:20Often neglected but vital. Vital It means the church
- 33:23ideally possesses the Bible in their own heart language and are
- 33:27being taught how to read it, understand it and apply it to
- 33:30their lives. Access to God's Word.
- 33:32Crucial and importantly, it means they are actively training
- 33:36others to carry on the work, passing the baton to the next
- 33:40generation of their own people, including disciple of their own
- 33:43children in the faith. Multiplication built in.
- 33:45Yes, and finally, it means the church itself has developed a
- 33:48heart for outreach and interest in reaching others for Christ,
- 33:52both in their own context and potentially beyond.
- 33:55They've caught the vision. So it becomes ascending church
- 33:57itself, potentially. That's the ultimate goal.
- 34:00The sources mentioned the story of the Alighty Church in the
- 34:03Philippines as a powerful example.
- 34:04What happened there? Apparently, years after the
- 34:07initial missionaries had left, this indigenous Adi church was
- 34:10not only surviving, but thriving.
- 34:13And through its own ongoing witness, it actually LED a
- 34:16visiting anthropologist to faith in Christ.
- 34:19Wow, that's reproduction. Exactly, it demonstrated true
- 34:23self sustainability and reproduction.
- 34:25That's the goal. A church that can thrive, grow,
- 34:28and continue the mission without ongoing external missionary
- 34:32presence. That's a really clear benchmark
- 34:35for completion of the initial missionary task.
- 34:38But what about the personal side of things?
- 34:40What if a missionary laborers faithfully for years, decades
- 34:43even, without seeing that kind of visible fruit?
- 34:46No immediate conversions, no church plant getting off the
- 34:49ground? What then?
- 34:50How do they measure success? And that brings us to what the
- 34:52sources presented as the ultimate metric of success, the
- 34:55one that stands above all visible outcomes, which is
- 34:58faithfulness. Faithfulness.
- 34:59Yes, well, seeing converts, seeing churches planted and
- 35:02growing, that's wonderful, desirable, A cause for immense
- 35:05rejoicing. God gives the grow.
- 35:07But the sources were very clear. The true measure of your
- 35:10ministry is going to be were you faithful?
- 35:13Did you stay the course? Did you stay when it was hard?
- 35:16O success isn't ultimately defined by the results we see.
- 35:20Not primarily measuring success solely by external metrics like
- 35:24number of baptisms or number of churches planted.
- 35:27They can lead to a really crushing endless cycle that we
- 35:30will always lose. Why lose?
- 35:32Because it externalizes the measure of success, it places it
- 35:35on outcomes that are ultimately sovereignly in God's hands, not
- 35:38ours. We plant.
- 35:39We water, but God gives the increase.
- 35:42Right, First Corinthians 3. Exactly so the ultimate measure
- 35:45for the missionary on the field and for the sending church
- 35:47praying back home must be faithfulness to the King.
- 35:51Faithfulness to the King. This perspective is particularly
- 35:54vital and, frankly, deeply encouraging for those
- 35:57missionaries who face years, maybe a lifetime, without seeing
- 36:00much visible fruit, those grappling with sickness,
- 36:04persecution, loneliness, extreme hardships.
- 36:06When results aren't obvious, right?
- 36:09Their perseverance in the face of adversity, their dedication
- 36:12to staying put, to continuing to proclaim the gospel faithfully,
- 36:16to living a godly life as a witness even when no one seems
- 36:19to respond that, the sources powerfully state, is the true
- 36:22indicator of success in God's eyes.
- 36:24Obedient endurance, regardless of outcome.
- 36:27That's it. Faithfulness to the one who
- 36:29called them. That's the measure that matters
- 36:31eternally. Wow, what a rich deep dive this
- 36:35has been really digging into the biblical foundations but also
- 36:39the practical realities of missions today.
- 36:41Yeah, A. Lot to think about.
- 36:42From that core calling to church planting, which came through so
- 36:46clearly, definitely central to the critical role of the home
- 36:49churches as senders and supporters.
- 36:52And even navigating these these new questions around technology
- 36:57like AI, it's really clear that the Great Commission isn't just
- 37:00some historical document. It's a living, active call for
- 37:04all believers, for you listening.
- 37:05It really is. And running through everything
- 37:07we discussed, perhaps the clearest thread, the thing that
- 37:09ties it all together, is that every aspect of mission, every
- 37:12strategy, every sacrifice, every effort, every motivation, it
- 37:16finds its ultimate meaning, its ultimate energy, its ultimate
- 37:19purpose in the profound, infinite worthiness of Jesus
- 37:22Christ, the. Lamb is worthy.
- 37:24The Lamb is worthy. So maybe as you listening,
- 37:27reflect on what you've heard today.
- 37:29Here's a thought to sit with If Christ is truly as worthy as the
- 37:33Bible declares him to be, worthy of all glory, all honor, all
- 37:36praise, what is it, if anything, that you might still be holding
- 37:40back from Him? That's a powerful, maybe
- 37:42challenging thought to end on. Thank you for joining us on this
- 37:45deep dive into missions here on Reformed Thinking.
- 37:47My pleasure. Until next time, May God grant
- 37:50you wisdom and zeal as you seek to honor Him in all things.