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Ross Fulton Analysis: How Arthur Smith Will Change Ohio State's Offense · Buckeyes TomOrrow Morning

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  Speaker 1: Today a short sign that the season is right around
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  Speaker 1: the corner going to be welcoming. In Ross Fulton, one
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  Speaker 1: of our scheme insiders at Buckeye Insiders dot com can
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  Speaker 1: be talking a little bit about what to expect from
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  Speaker 1: the Ohio State offense this year on a new offensive coordinator,
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  Speaker 1: Arthur Smith. We're going to try and have a bunch
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  Speaker 1: today at Buckeye Insiders dot com. All right, so we're
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  Speaker 1: going to welcome in Ross Ross. This is obviously going
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  Speaker 1: to be a very different offense. I think there's gonna
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  Speaker 1: be some scheme differences this year. I think there's probably
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  Speaker 1: gonna just be some operational differences and some just how
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  Speaker 1: things flow together kind of differences on game day. Let's start,
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  Speaker 1: I guess with the scheme stuff, because we've talked a
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  Speaker 1: little bit about this over the course of the spring
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  Speaker 1: and after they hired Arthur Smith. But it's been a
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  Speaker 1: little while and people probably have been thinking about a
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  Speaker 1: few other things since you know, February March April. So
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  Speaker 1: you grew briefly, what kinds of schemes, what kinds of
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  Speaker 1: running concepts, rushing concepts, passing concepts. Is Arthur Smith sort
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  Speaker 1: of known for that? You might expect to see a
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  Speaker 1: little bit more from Ohio State this year.
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  Speaker 2: I think you see a lot of it in his
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  Speaker 2: his run game or you know, his stamp on it.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, you see a lot of an outside zone
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  Speaker 2: heavy bay, you know, particularly when he was with the Titans.
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  Speaker 2: I think of a lot of Derrick Henry on inside zone,
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  Speaker 2: outside zone, and you see a lot of duo. I
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  Speaker 2: think increasingly so. And you know, I think we've talked
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  Speaker 2: on at least on the Insiders board and here as
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  Speaker 2: well about duo is just basically like a gap scheme
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  Speaker 2: without a backside pulling guard bellustrated before everyone blocks down.
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  Speaker 2: Soores you know, on inside or outside zone, a zone play,
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  Speaker 2: the line is stepping you if the play is going
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  Speaker 2: to the right, the line stepping to the right. On duo,
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  Speaker 2: if the run is going to the right, everyone's stepping
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  Speaker 2: down to the left and blocking back and giving the
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  Speaker 2: running back a two way go to either hit up
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  Speaker 2: inside or bounce out if the linebacker comes down. So
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  Speaker 2: you know, i'd say those those zone and duo make
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  Speaker 2: up a heavy amount of what Arthur Smith does. And
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  Speaker 2: then I said, you know, as I mentioned, a lot
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  Speaker 2: of play action passing off those particuarly liking to fake
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  Speaker 2: outside zone one way and bootleg back the other way. Again,
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  Speaker 2: so a lot of that with Ryan Tannehill when he
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  Speaker 2: was with the Titans and Derrick Henry.
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  Speaker 1: All right, and I'm gonna give everyone a little spoiler.
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  Speaker 1: I'm also gonna be talking a little bit about duo
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  Speaker 1: later this week with Michael Pettitt. He has pulled some
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  Speaker 1: some Arthur Smith clips from previous stops, so you're gonna
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  Speaker 1: get to see and hear a little bit more about
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  Speaker 1: that later in the week. We didn't even plan that.
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  Speaker 1: That is how good these guys are. So one thing
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  Speaker 1: that I know we have seen a lot more in
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  Speaker 1: practice and our limited practice windows, and we've certainly heard
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  Speaker 1: is going on a little bit more is quarterback under center.
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  Speaker 1: And Arthur Smith during the interview session when he was
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  Speaker 1: asked about it, got a little bit like defensive and
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  Speaker 1: I don't know, It's just it was a little like,
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  Speaker 1: you know, you're you're not at You're acting like this
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  Speaker 1: as a secret that we're not supposed to know. But
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  Speaker 1: you know, I don't know that that's really a real
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  Speaker 1: deep secret that they're doing more under center stuff. But
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  Speaker 1: what is the benefit of them doing more under center stuff? If?
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  Speaker 1: And are we really going to see more this year?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah? And I suspect we will see more.
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  Speaker 2: I you know, knowing that answer that you are referring to,
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  Speaker 2: He's like, well, we can, you know, operate from the shotgun,
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  Speaker 2: we can operate for pistol, and I'm sure you'll see
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  Speaker 2: both of those as well. But under center, obviously, that
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  Speaker 2: was a big part of what Smith's done in the NFL. Again,
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  Speaker 2: we sort of talked about like broader trends. It's kind
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  Speaker 2: of consistent with both the NFL and college football morphing
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  Speaker 2: back to more multiple tight end sets, more downhill run
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  Speaker 2: scheme and response to defenses getting lighter and playing more
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  Speaker 2: too high coverages, split safety pre snap looks, and so
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  Speaker 2: you know, under center has the benefit obviously of it's
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  Speaker 2: easier to run the football in either direction than if
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  Speaker 2: you're in the shotgun with the half back to what
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  Speaker 2: side of you. That is gives a pre snaptail to
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  Speaker 2: the defense where the ball is going. Under center is
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  Speaker 2: good for play action because the quarterback turns his back
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  Speaker 2: to the defense, and so you know, you get some
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  Speaker 2: you know, you just get more of like a run
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  Speaker 2: action going with the tailback coming downhill the quarterback turning.
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  Speaker 2: You can do bootleg easier off of that duo. You know,
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  Speaker 2: I'm sure Mike will showing his clips. Is you can
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  Speaker 2: run it from the gun. It just kind of works
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  Speaker 2: more naturally from under center with those down blocks and
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  Speaker 2: the back it can you know, kind of get more
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  Speaker 2: going more north and south. And so you know, those
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  Speaker 2: are the benefits obviously, like the downside and the reason
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  Speaker 2: that like shotgun became so prevalent at college and then
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  Speaker 2: you know in the NFL, I mean there's sort of
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  Speaker 2: two different ones. I mean, one, you know, you still
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  Speaker 2: see a lot of shotgun in passing situations. Just get
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  Speaker 2: the quarterback back with his head up and he doesn't
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  Speaker 2: have to the we just talked about it having to
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  Speaker 2: turn from the defense. From under center, you don't have
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  Speaker 2: to shotgun. The other is more like it lends itself
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  Speaker 2: to the run reads and then are you know, run
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  Speaker 2: pass options when you're the gun and because the quarterback
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  Speaker 2: doesn't have to turn, you could sit there and read
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  Speaker 2: a defender.
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  Speaker 3: So that's why I don't think it's gonna go away.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, I think you'll still see lots of that
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  Speaker 2: from High State, but I do think you know, again,
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  Speaker 2: Julli Insane is not a big run threat, so some
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  Speaker 2: of that shotgun, some of the benefits that you get
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  Speaker 2: from the gun that I just described are not there. Conversely,
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  Speaker 2: I think he's he's well situated. He is athletic enough
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  Speaker 2: to run a lot of those half roles and play
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  Speaker 2: action boot legs that we discussed. And you know, when
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  Speaker 2: you're doing that stuff, you're getting the defense flowing downhill
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  Speaker 2: going back the other way. That opens up the opportunity
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  Speaker 2: ideally for explicit pass plays down the field. Uh, you know,
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  Speaker 2: particularly to Jeremiah Smith. So you want to force the
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  Speaker 2: defense to think run and that opens up big play opportunities.
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  Speaker 1: Every time we talk to these guys about, you know,
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  Speaker 1: with the scheme they're gonna run and how they're gonna
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  Speaker 1: you know, what they're what they're planning to change this year,
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  Speaker 1: the conversation always goes to, Okay, what what what works
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  Speaker 1: for the personnel? You can't you're not gonna square peg
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  Speaker 1: round hole it. You've got to look at what you've
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  Speaker 1: got in terms of talent, in terms of personnel, in
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  Speaker 1: terms of skill sets and adapt your scheme to that. So,
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  Speaker 1: all right, you talked about you know, a multiple tight
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  Speaker 1: end downhill run threat. How does that fit with the
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  Speaker 1: personnel they've got this year?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, you know, I think obviously it leans
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  Speaker 2: heavily into the offensive line. Ryan Day, I think in
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  Speaker 2: discussing the not yet official but basically official starting offensive
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  Speaker 2: line on Monday, you know, I mean, there's obviously been
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  Speaker 2: a lot of focus on you know, how is Ian
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  Speaker 2: Moore at left tackle?
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  Speaker 3: Do you want him there?
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  Speaker 2: But Day kind of pivoted it and talked about, you know,
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  Speaker 2: the strength of the interior than when you put Luke Montgomery,
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  Speaker 2: Carson Hintsman and Austin's Harrabel together, right, And that's a
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  Speaker 2: lot of experience. It's a lot of starts, and so
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  Speaker 2: you would expect, you know, you have a strong running game, right,
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  Speaker 2: and so that lends itself to the to the downhill aspect.
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  Speaker 3: Tight end is an interesting one. Again.
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  Speaker 2: On Monday, Day sort of suggested that, you know, three
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  Speaker 2: guys Nate Roberts, bend at Christian and Mason Williams are
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  Speaker 2: sort of ahead of the rest of the pack. They
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  Speaker 2: have a lot of depth there. I think there's a
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  Speaker 2: lot of inexperience. That's sort of a position where it's
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  Speaker 2: a little bit wait and see. I think in theory
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  Speaker 2: you probably Nate Roberts more of the past catching tight end,
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  Speaker 2: Mason Williams have Benet Christian more run blockers. But that
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  Speaker 2: does give them obviously the ability to again and get
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  Speaker 2: into multiple personal sets, you know, and I should mention
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  Speaker 2: Brandon Innis too, because he's a bigger guy. Like we've
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  Speaker 2: seen clips from the preseason of with them running duo,
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  Speaker 2: because duo is one of those plays I'm sure once
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  Speaker 2: Mike shows it and like once you see it, it's
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  Speaker 2: you know, it's kind of coming, or a play action
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  Speaker 2: off it's coming because you kind of get the two
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  Speaker 2: tight ends to one side. A lot of times you'll
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  Speaker 2: bring like a bigger receiver like Innis in motion down
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  Speaker 2: and he'll kind of dig it out.
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  Speaker 3: And because you're trying to create.
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  Speaker 2: Like four or five gaps to one side the line
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  Speaker 2: of scrum mentioned, so the defense can't fill them all.
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  Speaker 2: So that also, you know, again people like to focus
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  Speaker 2: on the receivers for receiving, but I do think that
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  Speaker 2: you know, nsbing a bigger guy gives them some of
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  Speaker 2: that blocking at the point of attack as well.
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  Speaker 1: One thing that when we're talking about the offense, one
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  Speaker 1: thing that I know we're going to get and we're
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  Speaker 1: going to get in the comments on YouTube is are
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  Speaker 1: they going to run more tempo? Are they going to
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  Speaker 1: be faster this year? They're going to run more plays
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  Speaker 1: this year? Like, I get it. Believe me, we were
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  Speaker 1: all there, We all lived through the twenty twenty five offense.
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  Speaker 1: We all get it. You and I were part of
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  Speaker 1: a conversation on the Insider Sport of Pockeye Insiders that
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  Speaker 1: come like a couple of days ago, maybe a week ago,
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  Speaker 1: about a phenomenal article from Bill Comley at ESPN talking about, Okay,
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  Speaker 1: why are teams getting away from tempo? Because this is
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  Speaker 1: not a uniquely Ohio state phenomenon, and it's it was
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  Speaker 1: kind of like, well, there's a lot of reasons, and
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  Speaker 1: you sort of read through it and it was like, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: there's a lot of really good explanations as to why.
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  Speaker 1: So I guess can you sort of explain broadly some
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  Speaker 1: of the why behind teams are sort of getting away
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  Speaker 1: from the tempo thing and at least taking a little
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  Speaker 1: more time to it. And is that something that you
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  Speaker 1: think or as it might start going back the other
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  Speaker 1: way a little bit this year, or are you thinking
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  Speaker 1: this is just this is how life is now?
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  Speaker 2: So, I mean, there's a couple of trends right again, Defenses,
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  Speaker 2: like everything adapts in football, a sort of kind of
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  Speaker 2: has this ebbs and flows to it. The people got
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  Speaker 2: much better at defending up tempo spread offenses and just
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  Speaker 2: being more you know, lighter personnel adjusting the fly.
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  Speaker 3: When you go really fast.
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  Speaker 2: You can run a lot of plays, but you don't
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  Speaker 2: obviously have as much time to think through every play
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  Speaker 2: and to be you can't be as diverse in your
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  Speaker 2: formations or your personnel packages or layering plays together.
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  Speaker 3: So those are trade offs.
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  Speaker 2: The other thing obviously that's comingto that's now allowed is
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  Speaker 2: helmet communication at college, right and so whereas you know,
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  Speaker 2: people had to signal in the plays, which started to
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  Speaker 2: lend itself to up tempo as well as.
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  Speaker 3: Than sign ceiling.
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  Speaker 2: Now that you can huddle and call in all the plays,
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  Speaker 2: there's no there's you know, you're giving your opponent of
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  Speaker 2: potential advantage by signaling that you can just eliminate by huddling.
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  Speaker 2: I do not think it's going away. I think, you know,
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  Speaker 2: Ryan Day, I think he takes some umbrage when he's
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  Speaker 2: been asked multiple times since twenty twenty five about tempo.
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  Speaker 2: I think, like a lot of things, you know, social
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  Speaker 2: media and the Internet leads itself to sort of an
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  Speaker 2: all or nothing conversation. I think that there is a
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  Speaker 2: margin between which they should not be as slow as
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  Speaker 2: they were last year without saying that they're going to
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  Speaker 2: go back to being a fast paced offense, right Like
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  Speaker 2: I think if they're in the range. Indiana last year
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  Speaker 2: was also not fast, but they were slightly faster than
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  Speaker 2: High State, and like of Ohio State can get themselves
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  Speaker 2: one or you know, two more possessions. That that alone,
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  Speaker 2: I think is sufficient. I think the other things I
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  Speaker 2: would point out is like part of it too was
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  Speaker 2: a result. I say it was partially so slow because
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  Speaker 2: they were both efficient, which Bill Conley talks about the article,
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  Speaker 2: and they weren't explosive enough, particularly times, which is why
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  Speaker 2: you got both against Indiana and Miami these like super
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  Speaker 2: long churning draws where they're moving the football, but then
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  Speaker 2: they didn't convert them into points, which is why you
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  Speaker 2: get such low scoring games and lack of opportunities. So
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  Speaker 2: they need more explosiveness, particularly out of the run game.
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  Speaker 2: Days hit upon that, like they were really bad last
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  Speaker 2: year at explosiveness from the running back position, So like
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  Speaker 2: that's that's on Bo Jackson and the rest of the room.
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  Speaker 2: I do think some of the play action passing using
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  Speaker 2: you know, Arthur Smith and Day have talked about using
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  Speaker 2: crossing and other concepts where receivers are in motion or
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  Speaker 2: you know, running at the catch less running. You know,
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  Speaker 2: I think they kind of got into this habit of
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  Speaker 2: like spamming curl flat over and over again, and then
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  Speaker 2: you know, so you're getting guys stationary so instead of movement,
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  Speaker 2: so things to create more explosives, because that is also
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  Speaker 2: how you translate points, right, So it's hard to stream
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  Speaker 2: those drives together. And you know, then you leave yourself
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  Speaker 2: on a fourth and one or a third and one
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  Speaker 2: for conversion, or you miss a field goal, so all
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  Speaker 2: those things go together. The last thing I will I
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  Speaker 2: it is not just also about the tempo. It's about
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  Speaker 2: the snap count. And Arthur Smith kind of betrayed this
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  Speaker 2: too earlier this year, like you know, the Temple had
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  Speaker 2: nothing to do with them going silent count for inexplicit,
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  Speaker 2: inexplicable reasons, particular against Miami and allowing people to tee
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  Speaker 2: off and so that hurt the offensive line, that hurt
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  Speaker 2: the play calling, and that hurt everything.
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  Speaker 3: So all those things.
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  Speaker 2: It's not just like tempo doesn't just mean either going
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  Speaker 2: sow or fast. It also means changing it up to
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  Speaker 2: keep the defense off balance.
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  Speaker 1: All right, And the last thing I want to ask
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  Speaker 1: you about is just sort of you talked about sort
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  Speaker 1: of building on the other people, you know, building the
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  Speaker 1: offense and a little bit more of a stacking things
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  Speaker 1: and and you know the you know, thinking through things
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  Speaker 1: and being diversed and all that kind of stuff. It
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  Speaker 1: feels like that's an area where no disrespect to Brian Hartline,
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  Speaker 1: who was a first time offensive coordinator last year, but
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  Speaker 1: you're bringing in a guy who has been a play
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  Speaker 1: caller for multiple NFL teams. Now you would assume that
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  Speaker 1: just sort of he's just sort of seen more stuff
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  Speaker 1: and he's had to deal with more stuff, and he's
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  Speaker 1: probably going to This is something we've heard from offensive
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  Speaker 1: guys and defensive guys, keeping things relatively simple for the offense,
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  Speaker 1: but just sort of being able to build off of
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  Speaker 1: things and sort of sequentially grow off of concepts to
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  Speaker 1: keep things simple for the offense and make it really
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  Speaker 1: confusing for the defense.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean that's sort of one of the oldest
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  Speaker 2: truisms of offensive football is making plays look alike is
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  Speaker 2: what slows a defense down because they don't know where
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  Speaker 2: the ball is necessarily going to be right. So that's
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  Speaker 2: you know, concepts as back far as the wing tee,
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  Speaker 2: you know, t formation, single wing. It's like making you
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  Speaker 2: know this run, it turns into a play action pass
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  Speaker 2: turns into reverse. So yes, layering plays, you know, Arthur Smith,
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  Speaker 2: I think there's a couple of ways to go about things, right,
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  Speaker 2: Like you can have a high volume of play, or
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  Speaker 2: you can like make build off of plays and guys
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  Speaker 2: that are that are like to really run stretch in particular,
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  Speaker 2: really want to rep that because it takes a lot
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  Speaker 2: of time to do it correctly, and so then you
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  Speaker 2: really want to build off of that with as I said,
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  Speaker 2: half rolls, bootlegs, you know, things that build off of
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  Speaker 2: that concept. And so I do think you're going to
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  Speaker 2: see more leaning in that direction of like sequential play calling.
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  Speaker 1: All right, So there you go a little bit of
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  Speaker 1: a look at what do you expect from Arthur Smith.
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  Speaker 1: Some maybe changes to this year's Ohio State offense. Some
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  Speaker 1: things that may be different, somethings may be the same.
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  Speaker 1: Some things that you know, I mean seems like should
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  Speaker 1: be more or less welcome changes for Ohio State fans
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  Speaker 1: and you know, the Ohio State football community on the whole.
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  Speaker 1: And if you want to talk about all this stuff
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  Speaker 1: with Ross and Michael and get a little bit smarter
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