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326. Shalane Flanagan LIVE From the New York City Marathon Expo · Hurdle with Emily Abbate

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  Speaker 1: You got to be your biggest fan for sure.
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  Speaker 2: What's going on? Everyone?
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  Speaker 3: You are listening to an extra special episode of Hurdle,
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  Speaker 3: about everything from their highest ties and toughest moments to
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  Speaker 2: We all go through our fair share of hurdles.
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  Speaker 3: hear from my voice, we have had a weekend. I
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  Speaker 3: know you listen to Dakota's story which we recorded last Friday,
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  Speaker 3: hopefully earlier in the week, and today I am I'm
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  Speaker 3: releasing an extra special conversation that I had with e
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  Speaker 3: one the only Salaine Flanagan on Saturday of New York
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  Speaker 3: City Marathon weekend. Salane and I both towed the starting
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  Speaker 3: line for the marathon over the weekend and had the
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  Speaker 3: privilege of sitting down to talk about what's going on,
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  Speaker 3: what's the latest with her on her journey. The last
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  Speaker 3: time we had the opportunity to do so to sit
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  Speaker 3: down was back in twenty twenty one while she was
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  Speaker 3: finishing Project Eclipse, which we talk about in today's episode,
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  Speaker 3: and today she fills us in on the latest and greatest,
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  Speaker 3: what it's like coaching for the University of Oregon as
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  Speaker 3: well as the Bowerman Track Club, how she's feeling these days,
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  Speaker 3: how it feels for her to be someone that is
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  Speaker 3: paving the way and inspiring this next generation of athletes. Plus,
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  Speaker 3: because we did have this conversation at the New York
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  Speaker 3: City Marathon Expo, she gives her best practice tips both
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  Speaker 3: for marathoning and for marathoning within New York City, so
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  Speaker 3: helpful regardless of where you might be on your individual journey.
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  Speaker 3: As many of you know, Lane's also a New York
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  Speaker 3: Times best selling author three times over of a cookbook,
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  Speaker 3: Run Fast, Eat Slow, and she gives us nutrition tips,
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  Speaker 3: training tips, tips on how to manage your anxiety, and
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  Speaker 3: so much more. A huge thanks to her sponsor at
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  Speaker 3: MasterCard for hooking us up for this conversation. It was
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  Speaker 3: my first time hosting one at a marathon expo, and
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  Speaker 3: I'm going to tell you it was a lot fun.
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  Speaker 3: And with that, let's get to it. Let's get to hurdling.
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  Speaker 2: We're live at the XPO.
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  Speaker 4: I'm excellent. How's everyone good?
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  Speaker 3: Great, nervous yes, excited yes, excited, nervous, all the things well.
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  Speaker 3: Slaine will offer all of you, whether you're running or
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  Speaker 3: not tomorrow many tips, so don't worry.
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  Speaker 2: We've got you. I told you. She's an Olympia.
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  Speaker 3: She's also the twenty seventeen New York City Marathon champion.
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  Speaker 3: For some context, Salaine won that race in two hours,
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  Speaker 3: twenty six minutes and fifty three seconds, which is a
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  Speaker 3: casual five thirty six average pace per mile. Who can
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  Speaker 3: run a single mile in five thirty six?
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  Speaker 2: I can't. Oh wait, we have a.
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  Speaker 3: Couple of bands in the house, all right, pretty impressive
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  Speaker 3: for context, so outstanding. You're also a New York Times
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  Speaker 3: best selling author times three, just a little side thing
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  Speaker 3: that Sheelaine does when she's not coaching for the Bowerman
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  Speaker 3: Track Club or at the University of Oregon. Go Ducks,
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  Speaker 3: Go Ducks. Congratulations are in order as well. How are
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  Speaker 3: we feeling after the win yesterday?
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  Speaker 1: If anyone falls collegiate athletics, we just moved to the
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  Speaker 1: Big Ten Conference, which is very exciting.
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  Speaker 4: So my women, my Women of Oregon, the Ducks.
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  Speaker 1: We went up against eighteen schools, so it's like almost
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  Speaker 1: feels like a mini national championship. So I was in Champagne,
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  Speaker 1: Illinois yesterday. This is my third year coaching. I don't
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  Speaker 1: know if anyone here is run cross country. It's maybe
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  Speaker 1: not like the most popular sport, but I love it.
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  Speaker 1: It's like the foundation of distance running, honestly, and if
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  Speaker 1: anyone knows a cross country you know that it's like
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  Speaker 1: a truly a team sport. So yeah, we won historically
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  Speaker 1: the first Big Ten title for the University of Oregon,
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  Speaker 1: which hopefully.
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  Speaker 4: We win many many more of them.
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  Speaker 1: But we beat the number two ranked team in the nation,
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  Speaker 1: University of Washington Boo Dogs, And so yeah, it was
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  Speaker 1: it was super fun to just see all of their
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  Speaker 1: hard work payoff for them to just like execute the
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  Speaker 1: plan and the vision that we had that we'd set
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  Speaker 1: forth many months ago. It's one thing to talk about
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  Speaker 1: and then it's another thing to like deliver on the day.
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  Speaker 1: That's it's really hard and to get especially all athletes
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  Speaker 1: firing on the same days, it's hard. They're they're not robots,
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  Speaker 1: they're human, and so trying to get them to all
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  Speaker 1: perform on that same day as is tricky.
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  Speaker 4: But they executed beautifully.
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  Speaker 1: And I watched a video of myself afterwards and all
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  Speaker 1: I kept saying.
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  Speaker 4: Was like, that was beautiful.
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  Speaker 1: It was beautiful, because it really is when you see
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  Speaker 1: great performance and running. Like not only was their running beautiful,
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  Speaker 1: but just their effort, their teamwork out there was just
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  Speaker 1: so rewarding as a coach to see them just yeah,
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  Speaker 1: run for each other, run for the university, their community.
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  Speaker 4: Everything so super special.
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  Speaker 2: Super special.
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  Speaker 3: It's one thing to dream about it it's another thing
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  Speaker 3: to do it on the day sentiment that I.
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  Speaker 2: See a lot of heads nodding here.
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  Speaker 3: It's something that many of us are feeling going into tomorrow.
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  Speaker 3: For those that are going to toe the starting line
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  Speaker 3: on Sunday, can you offer a piece of advice on
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  Speaker 3: how to show up and do it on the day.
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  Speaker 2: Is there one token.
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  Speaker 3: Thing that you would recommend to runners to put their
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  Speaker 3: best foot forward for their twenty six point two.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, well, hopefully everyone's arriving, you know, in good health.
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  Speaker 1: That's I think the trickiest part of the marriat fun
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  Speaker 1: is like putting in the work, but then arriving actually
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  Speaker 1: everything's attached and feeling decent. So whenever I stand on
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  Speaker 1: a starting line of marathon, like wow, I'm like just
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  Speaker 1: so grateful that my body allowed me to get here.
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  Speaker 1: So I think just really being operating in a place
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  Speaker 1: of gratitude and knowing that you chose to do this,
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  Speaker 1: you don't have to do this, and reframing that mindset
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  Speaker 1: because you know it can feel daunting, overwhelming. You know
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  Speaker 1: you're about to go do something pretty hard, and but
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  Speaker 1: the beauty is you get.
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  Speaker 4: To make it as hard as you want to make it.
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  Speaker 1: Right, Like you get to decide what you want to
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  Speaker 1: go through, what your experience is that day, and running
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  Speaker 1: with that intention.
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  Speaker 4: And I always say, like knowing your reason.
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  Speaker 1: Why you're out there is very helpful because when it
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  Speaker 1: does inevitably get hard at some point, maybe multiple times,
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  Speaker 1: you got to like think about, Okay, well why am
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  Speaker 1: I doing this? And everyone has a different reason for
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  Speaker 1: why they are doing it. So for like me, tomorrow,
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  Speaker 1: I'll beat the price to start with MasterCard. I I'm
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  Speaker 1: going to be able to experience the New York City
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  Speaker 1: Marathon for the seventh time with basically i'd say she's
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  Speaker 1: like a version of my daughter. Her name is McKenna,
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  Speaker 1: and she's my assistant coach. But I've known her since
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  Speaker 1: she was eight years old, and she's never run a marathon,
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  Speaker 1: and she was a collegiate athlete, and she's two years
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  Speaker 1: removed from being a collegiate athlete. But she endured a
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  Speaker 1: lot of injuries and so she never thought she'd be
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  Speaker 1: able to like train for a marathon. What we came
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  Speaker 1: up with a strategy of just lower mileage all the things,
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  Speaker 1: and she's actually here healthy and so like I'm so excited.
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  Speaker 4: To just like see New York City through her eye.
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  Speaker 1: She's never been to New York City either, So like
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  Speaker 1: last night when we flew in from Chicago, she was
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  Speaker 1: like this in the cab, She's like WHOA, Like she'd
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  Speaker 1: never seen so many buildings, all the things, and she's
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  Speaker 1: not like sheltered, but she's never been to like New York.
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  Speaker 1: And so after this, I'm going to go give her
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  Speaker 1: a little tour of the city as much as we can.
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  Speaker 1: But yeah, so hopefully that you know, visualizing I think tonight,
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  Speaker 1: you know, visualizing how the day is going to go,
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  Speaker 1: and you know, working through all the possible things that
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  Speaker 1: you know you could be faced with and kind of
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  Speaker 1: thinking about how am I going to handle this moment
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  Speaker 1: when I'm faced with this, or how am I going
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  Speaker 1: to handle this and just feeling a little like mentally prepared,
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  Speaker 1: I think, because we know that running is extremely mental,
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  Speaker 1: and I think it's a long time to be in
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  Speaker 1: your own head. And I think that's one of the
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  Speaker 1: hardest parts, is like you have so many conversations and
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  Speaker 1: so many times where you're like negotiating with yourself, constant
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  Speaker 1: negotiation like oh, you can slow down here, and then
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  Speaker 1: you're like no, no, no, you can't, and then you know,
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  Speaker 1: just there's constant negotiations. Okay, at the next water station,
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  Speaker 1: I'm going to do this or whatever. So I think
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  Speaker 1: just working through all the potential mental demons and then yeah,
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  Speaker 1: just being organized tonight allows for smoother morning. So I
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  Speaker 1: also like to lay out, pack my bag, do all
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  Speaker 1: the things tonight so that when I wake up, it's
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  Speaker 1: like automatic and I just do the things. Going to
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  Speaker 1: the bathroom is very important prior, I mean essential things
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  Speaker 1: like that, you know.
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  Speaker 4: Good coffee, whatever you got to do.
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  Speaker 1: And yeah, just feeling like you're prepared because you're about
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  Speaker 1: to you know, have an amazing experience and you just
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  Speaker 1: want it to be as fun as.
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  Speaker 3: Possible, So as fun as possible. Visualization is great. Showing
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  Speaker 3: up in one piece also great. You definitely know a
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  Speaker 3: thing or two about the setbacks that come hand in
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  Speaker 3: hand with injury. After having two different knee surgeries in
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  Speaker 3: twenty nineteen, you made a valiant comeback with your Project
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  Speaker 3: Eclipse in twenty twenty one. The last time that you
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  Speaker 3: and I had the opportunity to really sit down together
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  Speaker 3: share a little bit about what that meant to you
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  Speaker 3: and what you learned from your opportunity to really come
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  Speaker 3: back from injury and come back to running.
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  Speaker 4: I deemed Project Eclipse.
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  Speaker 1: It was when essentially post COVID all of the world
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  Speaker 1: marathon majors resumed.
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  Speaker 4: And when I saw this come out, I was like.
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  Speaker 1: Wow, all five marathon majors in five weeks or so,
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  Speaker 1: like forty two days, and I was like, man, someone
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  Speaker 1: should go do all of them. That sounds really cool,
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  Speaker 1: Like that's really fun, right, like bucket list. And then
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  Speaker 1: I was like, wait, why not me? I think I'm
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  Speaker 1: qualified to do that.
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  Speaker 4: Let's do that.
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  Speaker 1: So I dreamed up this really fun plan to do
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  Speaker 1: all of them, and it really genuinely was so much fun.
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  Speaker 1: And yeah, it it basically took on a life of
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  Speaker 1: its own, and it concluded here in New York City,
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  Speaker 1: and it was just kind of a celebration because post COVID,
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  Speaker 1: you know, we weren't around each other, there was no races,
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  Speaker 1: everything was like virtual. So tod just celebrate the community
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  Speaker 1: again coming back together. And it was the first time
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  Speaker 1: I really had, you know, been in a race setting
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  Speaker 1: post retirement. So but to see these experiences of like
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  Speaker 1: the New York City Marathon, London Marathon, Berlin, Boston, all
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  Speaker 1: of that, Chicago experience it in a different lens of
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  Speaker 1: not being an elite athlete. It opened my eyes to
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  Speaker 1: what everyone else gets to experience, and it actually deepened
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  Speaker 1: my love for marathoning and running. Because I had such
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  Speaker 1: a singular focus as an elite athlete, I couldn't absorb
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  Speaker 1: the energy the way that everyone else, the other fifty
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  Speaker 1: thousand runners get to experience it. So really grateful for
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  Speaker 1: that opportunity. And then I somehow seem to keep coming
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  Speaker 1: back to New York every year.
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  Speaker 3: But I'm sure that when you went through those knee
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  Speaker 3: surgeries there was a period of time where you thought
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  Speaker 3: to yourself, I'm never going to get to the other
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  Speaker 3: side of this.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, getting back to your point of your question of
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  Speaker 1: like injuries, they can feel debilitating and you're like, you
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  Speaker 1: don't trust your body anymore, right, Like you it's hard
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  Speaker 1: to come back from injury, not just physically but mentally.
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  Speaker 1: So in a way, yeah, it was kind of like
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  Speaker 1: being able to believe in my body and trust my
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  Speaker 1: body again. I don't think my knee surgeon would have
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  Speaker 1: recommended that I did that, but he was actually someone
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  Speaker 1: called him.
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  Speaker 4: Up and was like, is Shlaine supposed to be doing this?
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  Speaker 1: And he's like, well, when I did her surgery, I
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  Speaker 1: knew that she was not normal, and I knew that
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  Speaker 1: she would want to run. Even though she told me
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  Speaker 1: she just wanted to run a few times a week,
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  Speaker 1: I didn't quite believe her, and I made sure that
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  Speaker 1: it was I did a really really good job hip
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  Speaker 1: top work, and I'm still running.
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  Speaker 4: So yes, yeah.
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  Speaker 3: She also didn't mention that she ran all of those
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  Speaker 3: marathons in sub three casual.
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  Speaker 2: Again, this woman.
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  Speaker 3: If you weren't impressed by the New York time alone,
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  Speaker 3: I think it's safe to say that within forty two days,
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  Speaker 3: six total marathons sub three hours is something really really stellar.
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  Speaker 3: Now as we open this, obviously you have transitioned a
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  Speaker 3: bit out of that professional running career now doing a
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  Speaker 3: ton of coaching. How has that coaching transition been for you?
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  Speaker 1: You know, any life change can be challenging, even if
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  Speaker 1: you're excited. Like when I retired, I'm like, yes, I'm
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  Speaker 1: so excited to not live this rigorous, monotonous, monastic lifestyle.
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  Speaker 1: But even though I was excited about it, it's always
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  Speaker 1: a little scary and overwhelming, even even though I was excited.
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  Speaker 1: But I think, yeah, having adopted two children, Grace and Jack.
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  Speaker 1: There four and one that immediately throws me into a
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  Speaker 1: transition because my life is no longer my life. So
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  Speaker 1: that's been a giant blessing in terms of just like, yep,
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  Speaker 1: you're moving on, this is a different chapter. But then yes, professionally,
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  Speaker 1: I've always known I wanted to coach. I loved being
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  Speaker 1: a teammate and hopefully like a mentor to some of
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  Speaker 1: my teammates, and so it just felt really natural. And
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  Speaker 1: I've I've had a great mentor myself in coaching. So yeah,
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  Speaker 1: just and there's not as many female coaches out there,
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  Speaker 1: and so I don't know, I just felt like this
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  Speaker 1: calling and need for female coaches, and so I'm blessed
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  Speaker 1: to be able to coach professional athletes for Nike as
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  Speaker 1: well as as the University of Oregon women's distance programs.
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  Speaker 3: So and it's so special, right because as an athlete,
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  Speaker 3: so many people look to you and they thought, she's
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  Speaker 3: doing it, so maybe one day, so can I that
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  Speaker 3: sentiment if you see her, then you can be her.
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  Speaker 3: And now you've transitioned into that type of role for
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  Speaker 3: these athletes, these student athletes, these professional athletes, and it's
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  Speaker 3: such a special opportunity.
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  Speaker 1: In my profession, a lot of the coaches are mothers,
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  Speaker 1: and I've definitely been of the mindset that, like, my
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  Speaker 1: kids are going to be integrated and woven into my
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  Speaker 1: lifestyle and with my athletes. So my athletes know my
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  Speaker 1: kids very very well, and I think from what I've
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  Speaker 1: heard from them on some occasions and like which literally
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  Speaker 1: like sends me into tears, is like how how important
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  Speaker 1: it is to see me not just as their coach,
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  Speaker 1: but like a mom too, and knowing that you know
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  Speaker 1: that they have that capability too one day to have
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  Speaker 1: a career and also be a mother. And it is challenging,
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  Speaker 1: it is exhausting, it's very tiring, but it's like brings
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  Speaker 1: me so much joy, Like I'm so excited to go
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  Speaker 1: home because my son he's like really into medals and trophies.
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  Speaker 1: Like he'll pretend to race and he's like, where's my
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  Speaker 1: trophy and he'll grab like a stick or flower or something.
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  Speaker 4: He's like, there's my trophy.
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  Speaker 1: And I'm like, I actually have like a real trophy
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  Speaker 1: to give him when I get home from our Big
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  Speaker 1: ten championship win, a little mini version of the big one.
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  Speaker 1: Having my kids see really amazing role models in my
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  Speaker 1: athletes and the positive impact that my athletes have. It's
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  Speaker 1: a very reciprocal relationship, like I'm giving their giving.
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  Speaker 4: It's all good stuff.
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  Speaker 2: It's all good stuff.
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  Speaker 3: They see you as a coach and a mother to
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  Speaker 3: amazing things. When you look in the mirror, Schlane, what
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  Speaker 3: is it that you see looking back at you?
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  Speaker 4: I see a very tired woman.
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  Speaker 1: But but that you know one day I'll arrest and
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  Speaker 1: sleep at some point. But yeah, I mean I just
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  Speaker 1: I guess, in essence, hopefully see someone who's like, really
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  Speaker 1: passionate about some things in their inner life and pursuing
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  Speaker 1: them to your fullest capability. And yeah, just hopefully being
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  Speaker 1: in service of others. And if you're in service of others,
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  Speaker 1: you'll find a.
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  Speaker 4: Lot of joy.
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  Speaker 3: Yes, if you're in service of others, you will find
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  Speaker 3: a lot of joy. Now running looks very different for
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  Speaker 3: you now than when you were running a four h
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  Speaker 3: five fifteen hundred, right, So I think a lot of
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  Speaker 3: people can relate to this concept of transitioning and maybe
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  Speaker 3: graduating within their relationship with running. It might look different
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  Speaker 3: now than it did a few years ago. Can you
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  Speaker 3: talk a little bit about that about embracing the transition
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  Speaker 3: of your running journey and meeting yourself with where you're at,
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  Speaker 3: and having appreciation for where you're at, knowing that it
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  Speaker 3: might look a little bit different than it used to.
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  Speaker 1: It looks fastly different. It was running sleep, repeate for
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  Speaker 1: many many years. While that was joyful in that moment,
• 17:59
  Speaker 1: that is definitely not my life now.
• 18:02
  Speaker 4: You know.
• 18:02
  Speaker 1: Yesterday, for example, I did get up and run a
• 18:05
  Speaker 1: little bit before my athletes raced, just kind of have
• 18:10
  Speaker 1: some nice solitude think through their races. I literally like
• 18:12
  Speaker 1: run their races in my head before they race, just
• 18:15
  Speaker 1: because that's how I am.
• 18:16
  Speaker 4: But so, you know, nice little shakeout run and.
• 18:18
  Speaker 1: I I think the hardest part was when I was
• 18:20
  Speaker 1: a professional athlete, and then it was like this sharp
• 18:22
  Speaker 1: drop of not having to train or something to train for.
• 18:25
  Speaker 1: It was like my context of what is like normal,
• 18:29
  Speaker 1: I guess you could say, is like my normal was
• 18:32
  Speaker 1: running for like sixty to eighty minutes every morning and
• 18:35
  Speaker 1: then also coming back and running again in the evening.
• 18:37
  Speaker 1: And then when I was like only had time to
• 18:41
  Speaker 1: run two or three miles, I'd be like, it's not
• 18:43
  Speaker 1: even worth it, Like two or three miles, Like that's nothing,
• 18:46
  Speaker 1: like why even get dressed?
• 18:47
  Speaker 4: And now I'm like, whoa two or three miles? Yeah,
• 18:49
  Speaker 4: like you did a good job today.
• 18:51
  Speaker 1: So yeah, my, my, my concept in my threshold of
• 18:55
  Speaker 1: like normalcy is definitely shifted. And now I just train
• 19:00
  Speaker 1: to be able to keep up with like my athletes
• 19:01
  Speaker 1: and hold the conversation at the same time and enjoy
• 19:04
  Speaker 1: that with them.
• 19:05
  Speaker 4: And then yeah, the ability.
• 19:06
  Speaker 1: To sprint around across country course is an endurance act
• 19:10
  Speaker 1: in itself. And I'm like literally sore from sprinting, Like
• 19:13
  Speaker 1: my hamstrings are sore from yesterday.
• 19:16
  Speaker 4: So hopefully I'll get some recovery today.
• 19:18
  Speaker 1: If anyone has any normatics or something or lying around
• 19:21
  Speaker 1: something tells.
• 19:21
  Speaker 2: Me this is the right place to be if you
• 19:23
  Speaker 2: want to find some norma tax.
• 19:25
  Speaker 1: So yeah, it's it's vastly different. But I feel very
• 19:28
  Speaker 1: fulfilled in very rich life. And now I'm just training,
• 19:31
  Speaker 1: honestly more for like my mental health as well. Like
• 19:34
  Speaker 1: I think COVID taught me that and Project clips taught
• 19:36
  Speaker 1: me that was that like wow, I didn't realize like
• 19:39
  Speaker 1: my drug of choice is running, and like my, it's
• 19:42
  Speaker 1: so good for my mental health. The dopamine hit all
• 19:44
  Speaker 1: the good things that pour throughout your body because of running.
• 19:48
  Speaker 1: So yeah, it's seeking on a whole new meaning to
• 19:52
  Speaker 1: be able to run.
• 19:53
  Speaker 3: Who else uses running as a tool for their mental health? Oh,
• 19:58
  Speaker 3: every hand in the audience just went out, same, same,
• 20:00
  Speaker 3: So definitely relatable on that front. Speaking of mental health.
• 20:05
  Speaker 3: Also self talk something that many of us are going
• 20:08
  Speaker 3: to be kind of working through over the next twenty
• 20:11
  Speaker 3: four hours.
• 20:12
  Speaker 2: For those that have trouble.
• 20:14
  Speaker 3: Or difficulty flipping the script when those intrusive thoughts creep in,
• 20:18
  Speaker 3: the ones that we know aren't true, the ones that
• 20:20
  Speaker 3: make us doubt all of the work that we've put in.
• 20:23
  Speaker 3: What advice do you have to offer them on how
• 20:25
  Speaker 3: to bring in the good to that conversation.
• 20:28
  Speaker 1: Everyone has like their own I don't know their own
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: storyline that they tell when they repeat like on repeat, repeat, repeat,
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: So I don't know whether you know it's creating a
• 20:41
  Speaker 1: mantra to help you, I think obviously. I think in
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: training personally, I think is where you address a lot
• 20:47
  Speaker 1: of it. So I think, you know, moving forward after Sunday,
• 20:51
  Speaker 1: maybe it's the time to explore that. Maybe maybe not
• 20:54
  Speaker 1: be getting it you know, right tomorrow, but in training,
• 20:59
  Speaker 1: being confrontational and like self aware that you're having those thoughts.
• 21:03
  Speaker 1: And then the moment you're actually like self aware of
• 21:06
  Speaker 1: the thoughts, that's actually the moment when you actually have
• 21:08
  Speaker 1: room to grow. It's like when you don't even realize
• 21:10
  Speaker 1: you're doing it is the hard part. You have to
• 21:13
  Speaker 1: have that self recognition that you're being negative with yourself
• 21:17
  Speaker 1: and hard on yourself. And so I think just the
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: recognition first of all, I felt like reading some really
• 21:25
  Speaker 1: you know, great books was really helpful for me, and
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: just constantly working on it. I mean a lot a
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: lot of my athletes honestly work with a you know,
• 21:35
  Speaker 1: a psychologist sports psychologist, and it's been transformative for them
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: to be able to just talk about their fears. And
• 21:42
  Speaker 1: so one thing I always, you know, try to reiterate
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: with them is to not operate out of fear like
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: and to not let fear dictate their future.
• 21:52
  Speaker 4: And so to constantly just be giving themselves a chance.
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: I think with social media and everything, there's that age
• 21:59
  Speaker 1: group right now is just really susceptible to I don't know,
• 22:03
  Speaker 1: they're just really worried about what other people think all
• 22:05
  Speaker 1: the time, and so trying to give them the self
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: assurance that like to just focus on themselves. I always say, like,
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: focus on your own backyard. I don't care what other coaches,
• 22:14
  Speaker 1: what other athletes are doing. We're going to be like
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: obsessed with ourself in a really healthy way, Like be
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: so into what we're doing, we don't really care what
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: other people are doing. And yes, you can look at
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: it as inspiration, but it's the comparison chap.
• 22:28
  Speaker 4: Is completely the thief of joy.
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: And so to just be so focused on yourself is
• 22:33
  Speaker 1: really important. That sounds like self indulgent, but it's not.
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: It's just being like, I really like me, I like
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: what I do, I like my team, I like where
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: I'm at, and so to stop with the comparison and
• 22:45
  Speaker 1: constant you know, yeah, totally inspiring, but at the same time,
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: you got to be really careful because it can tip
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: into a not so good place.
• 22:52
  Speaker 2: So I don't want to go to that not so
• 22:53
  Speaker 2: good place, not at all. You know.
• 22:54
  Speaker 3: It's it's funny because one of the quotes that resonated
• 22:58
  Speaker 3: with me that As offered earlier this year was talking
• 23:02
  Speaker 3: about the power of being a little delusional, right, like
• 23:05
  Speaker 3: delusion can be a good thing, to be a little delulu.
• 23:08
  Speaker 3: I sat down with Dakota Lynnworm now Dakota Popaine. She
• 23:12
  Speaker 3: got married last weekend and I asked her, I said,
• 23:15
  Speaker 3: is this the weekend you polish Alane? And she said
• 23:19
  Speaker 3: maybe maybe it is, and she brought up the delusion thing.
• 23:23
  Speaker 3: And so I think there's something that's so beautiful right
• 23:25
  Speaker 3: about this relentless sense of self belief that each of
• 23:30
  Speaker 3: us have the opportunity to have. And it's not that
• 23:33
  Speaker 3: crazy to really believe in yourself. It's actually just a
• 23:35
  Speaker 3: great opportunity.
• 23:37
  Speaker 4: If I were to.
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: Look before some of the major races that I've run,
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: if I just looked on paper and if I said, hey, like, yeah,
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: my goal is to be top three or win this
• 23:46
  Speaker 1: race on paper, people would have been like, what are
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: you talking about, Like you have not run nearly as
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: fast them, you don't have nearly the accolades all the things.
• 23:56
  Speaker 1: But that didn't stop me from just being like, well,
• 23:59
  Speaker 1: that's why you run the race, right, Like you don't
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: know what can happen, So you know what, I'm gonna
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: bet on me because that's the only thing I got.
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: It Like, if I don't bet on me, who is
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: So yeah, you have to be a bit delusional, but you.
• 24:13
  Speaker 2: Have to be your own biggest type man. First.
• 24:15
  Speaker 4: Yes, you got to be your own biggest fan for sure.
• 24:18
  Speaker 2: Exactly. Now.
• 24:19
  Speaker 3: I promised her that I would ask you if you
• 24:22
  Speaker 3: had any singular piece of advice to offer Dakota for
• 24:27
  Speaker 3: her race tomorrow. You can come from the pro lens,
• 24:30
  Speaker 3: because that's where we're coming from, So anything specific that
• 24:32
  Speaker 3: you'd offer to her to go out there and really
• 24:35
  Speaker 3: win big.
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: I haven't looked at the elite field, embarrassingly enough. I
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: have been obsessed with my collegiate world. So I would
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: love to just see, like who she's up against, because
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: it is important to know your competition and how it's
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: a It's a chess match, right like, so you know
• 24:51
  Speaker 1: what weeks and strengths that certain athletes have, and on
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: any given days something else can happen. But I mean, yeah, yeah,
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: I mean at the end of the day, you got
• 25:01
  Speaker 1: to run your own race. And she knows what she's
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: capable of, she knows her training, and there's going to
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: become a decisive moment in which she's going to have
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: to decide is that where I go or is this
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: where I stay? And what is going to yield my
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: best chance to do well? And you don't know in
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: that moment. You got to make that gut instinct. And
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: so I always say, like, just trust your gut as
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: much as like a coach can come up with a plan.
• 25:25
  Speaker 4: I always say, you got to be pivotable.
• 25:26
  Speaker 1: I don't even know if that's a word, but you
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: got to be pivotable in the moment. I can give
• 25:30
  Speaker 1: you this great plan and that's what seems like is going.
• 25:33
  Speaker 4: To be good.
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: But then you get out there and you know, stuff
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: hit starts to hit the fan and you gotta josh
• 25:39
  Speaker 1: real quick. So don't be so tightly grasped too. That's
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: my other message is don't grip the dream and the
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: goal so tightly that you suffocate it and you become
• 25:49
  Speaker 1: paralyzed by it, like you can want something so bad
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: the almost like sabotage in a way. So it's almost
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: like a loose light grip on the goal and on
• 25:57
  Speaker 1: the dream and kind of got to let it at
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: a certain point. You got to kind of just like
• 26:02
  Speaker 1: let it naturally evolve, because the minute you try to
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: force a result, it usually goes south.
• 26:07
  Speaker 2: It usually goes south.
• 26:08
  Speaker 3: What I'm hearing you say is you just really got
• 26:10
  Speaker 3: to meet yourself with where you're at, and that honesty
• 26:12
  Speaker 3: is going to be the thing that helps you get
• 26:14
  Speaker 3: to where you're supposed to be, whether or not it's
• 26:16
  Speaker 3: where you set out to be. And being able to
• 26:18
  Speaker 3: be adaptable is so important now. Obviously tomorrow the culmination
• 26:22
  Speaker 3: of a lot of training for many, but the training
• 26:25
  Speaker 3: isn't the only thing that helps someone perform well on
• 26:29
  Speaker 3: race day. What would you say as a coach is
• 26:31
  Speaker 3: something that's perhaps the most overlooked aspect of the training process,
• 26:36
  Speaker 3: something that's very important to showing up on the race day,
• 26:39
  Speaker 3: but not exactly the physical effort.
• 26:42
  Speaker 4: Right here, this is like one of the most important pieces.
• 26:45
  Speaker 3: Selene is pointing at her brain for those of you
• 26:47
  Speaker 3: that might be listening to the.
• 26:49
  Speaker 4: Years right there, it honestly is everything.
• 26:53
  Speaker 1: I've had the ability to work with athletes that have
• 26:59
  Speaker 1: like oodles of talent, like pouring out of their ears,
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: so talented, but they don't have the right headspace and
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: the mentality to be able to capitalize on the God
• 27:10
  Speaker 1: given gift that they have. And then I have athletes
• 27:12
  Speaker 1: who are just not as blessed athletically, They just aren't,
• 27:17
  Speaker 1: but they have the most like steel trap of a
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: mind and they're just exceed their physical capabilities because their
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: mindset is just so so strong. So honestly, if you
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: can pair the two, if you got if you genetically
• 27:32
  Speaker 1: won the lottery and you also have a steel trap
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: for a mind, that's like when the real special stuff happens.
• 27:37
  Speaker 3: Honestly, Yeah, yeah, the mind super important. Also important. Nutrition
• 27:42
  Speaker 3: and eating well something that you know a thing or
• 27:45
  Speaker 3: two about. As a three time New York Times best
• 27:49
  Speaker 3: selling author of a cookbook for those that are getting
• 27:53
  Speaker 3: ready to run tomorrow, where should their head be with
• 27:56
  Speaker 3: nutrition today and anything to offer about the course?
• 27:59
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I would say today is like the don't mess
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: it up phase, right, Like, so everything is super simple
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: food wise. Hopefully you've tested out what you like to eat,
• 28:09
  Speaker 1: what's good on your stomach. Each person isn't individually has
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: like their own preferred method of fueling.
• 28:17
  Speaker 4: But yeah, I mean it's a fine line.
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: You don't want to overfuel too, because you don't want
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: to be like hanging out in the porta potty for
• 28:23
  Speaker 1: half the race. So I mean people do sometimes people
• 28:25
  Speaker 1: get crazy like oh my gosh, I need so much
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: carbohydrates that they like almost overdo it. And then on
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: the other side, you don't want to underdo it. So
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: it's like this fine line. Hopefully you've kind of figured
• 28:35
  Speaker 1: out through your training, like where you exist.
• 28:37
  Speaker 4: In that realm.
• 28:39
  Speaker 1: But yeah, for example, like tonight, my go to kind
• 28:44
  Speaker 1: of pre race meal is sweet potatoes rice.
• 28:48
  Speaker 4: I'm not like the biggest like pasta.
• 28:50
  Speaker 1: I feel like not, I don't know, I feel kind
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: of like heavy and just I don't know, Pasta is
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: not my thing pre race, but the sweet potatoes are
• 28:58
  Speaker 1: great fuel.
• 29:00
  Speaker 4: And then I really love rice as well.
• 29:03
  Speaker 1: And then usually with like either steak, chicken, fish, whatever,
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: and then some veggies and I really like a good
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: bread and good butter, that kind of thing that hopefully
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: make me feel really satiated delicious, and then in the
• 29:17
  Speaker 1: morning eat again. But like I don't like do a
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: huge breakfast. I'm banking on the fact that I banked
• 29:23
  Speaker 1: my fuel a little bit kind of in the days
• 29:25
  Speaker 1: leading up because I again don't want to like have
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: a ton of like heavy foods in my stomach. But
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: you know, I'm constantly sipping on my sports drink. I'll
• 29:33
  Speaker 1: have a gel right before the start of the race
• 29:35
  Speaker 1: to make sure it's like I'm proactive about it. And
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: then throughout the race every like three four miles, basically
• 29:43
  Speaker 1: a gel. I'm a big fan of Morton. I don't know,
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: have you ever tried Morton. I have tried Morton. I
• 29:49
  Speaker 1: just picked them up from the booth. Yeah, so big
• 29:51
  Speaker 1: fan of I don't work with them. I just think
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: they're a great product. Elliot Kipchoki kind of sold me
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: on it too. He's pretty fast, a lot of nodding
• 29:59
  Speaker 1: in the crowd. Yes, It's just what I like about it, honestly,
• 30:02
  Speaker 1: is it doesn't have a strong flavor. So I don't
• 30:04
  Speaker 1: know if you like in training you kind of get
• 30:05
  Speaker 1: like an aversion towards your sports drink and gel and
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: you're like, oh, I cannot have this. I've had this
• 30:09
  Speaker 1: way too many times. So I like that it doesn't
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: really have a strong flavor. It's just like sweet and
• 30:15
  Speaker 1: I don't know, it just it seems to sit well,
• 30:18
  Speaker 1: really well in my stomach. So a combination of that
• 30:20
  Speaker 1: as a sports drink, Like I'll bring my own bottle
• 30:23
  Speaker 1: tomorrow morning, like Morton bottles, like a small one, and
• 30:26
  Speaker 1: I'll sip from that for the first like eight nine
• 30:28
  Speaker 1: miles and then ditch it.
• 30:30
  Speaker 4: And then I'll just take the fluid on.
• 30:31
  Speaker 1: The course, but I'll stash some nice Mortons down the
• 30:36
  Speaker 1: sports bra. Hopefully I won't get any cuts or anything
• 30:40
  Speaker 1: from doing that, because that's happened before. So yeah, Vasoline
• 30:45
  Speaker 1: is like one of my best friends as well.
• 30:48
  Speaker 3: But yeah, you look down and you have, you know,
• 30:51
  Speaker 3: a scar from two years ago, and you're like, that's
• 30:53
  Speaker 3: from New York twenty twenty one.
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: From New York twenty twenty one, Morton Gel exactly.
• 30:59
  Speaker 3: You talked about what you like to eat pre race,
• 31:00
  Speaker 3: but I would be remiss if I didn't ask you
• 31:02
  Speaker 3: what your post race go to.
• 31:04
  Speaker 2: What are you going to be looking for?
• 31:05
  Speaker 1: So I'm already mapping it out because I'll well McKenna
• 31:09
  Speaker 1: and I'll finish, and to get to our hotel, we
• 31:11
  Speaker 1: have to I think it's about a mile walk, and
• 31:14
  Speaker 1: so I'm already mapping out like how we're gonna get
• 31:16
  Speaker 1: back and where we're gonna stop and get food. So
• 31:19
  Speaker 1: I really love a good slice of New York pizza,
• 31:21
  Speaker 1: and so I usually create something salty either like burger
• 31:25
  Speaker 1: and fries, maybe a little champagne on the side, and
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: then but slice of pizza as well. I'll be looking
• 31:32
  Speaker 1: usually go to like Rai's Pizza, which is right outside
• 31:34
  Speaker 1: the park. Actually, I don't know if you can get
• 31:36
  Speaker 1: to it because of all the stuff going on, but
• 31:39
  Speaker 1: good slice of pizza.
• 31:40
  Speaker 3: I'm approving nods on Rais from the crowd as well,
• 31:42
  Speaker 3: like that's okay, that's an okay option. I also need
• 31:45
  Speaker 3: you to know that there is a place near my
• 31:46
  Speaker 3: apartment that does ninety nine dollars pile of fries and
• 31:51
  Speaker 3: bottle of champagne.
• 31:52
  Speaker 2: So if you want to talk about that, like how.
• 31:54
  Speaker 4: Many how many people does it feed?
• 31:56
  Speaker 2: Maybe just you and me? Oh, Ken can come, Mechanic
• 31:58
  Speaker 2: can come.
• 31:59
  Speaker 4: This is booge. That sounds great.
• 32:02
  Speaker 3: Okay, it's definitely an indulge to delay my flight. Then,
• 32:05
  Speaker 3: I think, so you can come on over to Brooklyn. Well,
• 32:09
  Speaker 3: I would not be the host that I am if
• 32:13
  Speaker 3: I didn't now ask you about your priceless start tomorrow.
• 32:17
  Speaker 3: What an amazing opportunity to get a head start on
• 32:20
  Speaker 3: the crowds of the New York City Marathon. You've done
• 32:23
  Speaker 3: this before. What's it like to be on an empty
• 32:27
  Speaker 3: course like that?
• 32:29
  Speaker 1: It's a little intimidating, actually, but I like to so
• 32:32
  Speaker 1: it's it's really only quite maybe for like the first
• 32:35
  Speaker 1: four miles, i'd say, and then it starts to get
• 32:38
  Speaker 1: pretty rowdy. I think as you head into I think
• 32:40
  Speaker 1: it's Brooklyn. Is that the that's the first burrow? I
• 32:44
  Speaker 1: love Brooklyn, and I'm always like, it's the party is
• 32:47
  Speaker 1: starting too early. I need you later. Can we put
• 32:49
  Speaker 1: Brooklyn later in the marathon? Like why are we going
• 32:52
  Speaker 1: there so soon? Because it's so much fun, I get
• 32:54
  Speaker 1: like too jazzed.
• 32:55
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 32:56
  Speaker 1: I like to think of the fact that, like with
• 32:58
  Speaker 1: the priceless start so unique. I mean, you see wheelchairs
• 33:02
  Speaker 1: and I believe hand cycles go first, and then we're
• 33:04
  Speaker 1: the first people. What I say is like blessing the ground.
• 33:08
  Speaker 1: It's like our feet are kissing the ground. It's definitely
• 33:11
  Speaker 1: a little quiet, but quickly the pros catch us, which
• 33:15
  Speaker 1: is super fun because then I fangirl over all my
• 33:18
  Speaker 1: friends and I'm like, yeah, you got this girl just
• 33:20
  Speaker 1: watching the race unfold, like you literally have like their
• 33:23
  Speaker 1: sweat flicking on you. You get to see them like
• 33:26
  Speaker 1: taking their fluids, all the fun things, all the drama unfolding.
• 33:30
  Speaker 1: For the little bit, I'm always like kind of embarrassing
• 33:33
  Speaker 1: trying to like get out a camera shot.
• 33:35
  Speaker 4: But I told my friend McKenna.
• 33:36
  Speaker 1: I was like, hey, maybe you should just like go
• 33:38
  Speaker 1: run with them Brot second, get on TV real quick,
• 33:40
  Speaker 1: and then just peace out. She's like, no, that's embarrassing.
• 33:43
  Speaker 1: I'm like, ah, I don't know, it sounds like a
• 33:44
  Speaker 1: good story, but yeah, it's an incredible experience and they've
• 33:50
  Speaker 1: MasterCard has been such an amazing partner to work with,
• 33:54
  Speaker 1: just because I get to keep coming back to New
• 33:56
  Speaker 1: York and having this really unique experience, like it said,
• 34:00
  Speaker 1: of being the first on the course, and it's like
• 34:03
  Speaker 1: I'm winning all over again.
• 34:04
  Speaker 4: It's like for a while, I am winning, you know,
• 34:07
  Speaker 4: so our.
• 34:08
  Speaker 2: Short while the pros overtake you.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: No, it's it's amazing. There's only like thirty of us,
• 34:13
  Speaker 1: so it's really intimate. And yeah, I've made lots of
• 34:16
  Speaker 1: friends at the Priceless Start and found some really cool.
• 34:19
  Speaker 4: People to run with.
• 34:20
  Speaker 1: I don't know if anyone knows Matt James who's on
• 34:22
  Speaker 1: the Bachelor, So I've run with him the last two
• 34:24
  Speaker 1: years and it's been quite an experience. He uh, the
• 34:28
  Speaker 1: first year, I think I don't think he was lying
• 34:30
  Speaker 1: about his training, but I don't know. He told me
• 34:33
  Speaker 1: he was doing, you know, his training was good. And
• 34:35
  Speaker 1: then we got out there and I really understood, uh
• 34:37
  Speaker 1: and what his training was like.
• 34:39
  Speaker 4: And I was like, we are running way too fast.
• 34:40
  Speaker 2: What didn't happen during the training.
• 34:42
  Speaker 4: Yeah, And I was.
• 34:43
  Speaker 1: Like, uh, oh, the we're going way too fast for
• 34:45
  Speaker 1: the training he's describing.
• 34:47
  Speaker 4: And what do you know?
• 34:48
  Speaker 1: We hit mile twenty and we walked the last six miles, walk, jog, cramped,
• 34:55
  Speaker 1: did all the things for over an hour. And if
• 34:58
  Speaker 1: anyone knows what Matt looks like, he's this beautiful specimen
• 35:01
  Speaker 1: of a man and he's quite large, so the juxtaposition
• 35:04
  Speaker 1: is quite funny.
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  Speaker 4: But he was literally like I.
• 35:05
  Speaker 1: Was like carrying him, and I'm like, this is not
• 35:08
  Speaker 1: gonna be going well.
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  Speaker 4: On me. But super awesome guy.
• 35:13
  Speaker 1: He's gonna I think he's shooting to break like three
• 35:16
  Speaker 1: hours and he'll be in the Priceless Start tomorrow. I
• 35:18
  Speaker 1: will not be with him because I'll be with McKenna,
• 35:20
  Speaker 1: but yeah, super fun to just you know, a new
• 35:23
  Speaker 1: friend made right on the start line.
• 35:26
  Speaker 4: Just like that.
• 35:26
  Speaker 3: You mentioned that rough last six miles that also coincides
• 35:30
  Speaker 3: with what many of us know to be the dreaded
• 35:34
  Speaker 3: wall for individuals that meet the wall tomorrow how do
• 35:39
  Speaker 3: you get through it?
• 35:40
  Speaker 2: What happens next?
• 35:42
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean not to create fear, but I think
• 35:46
  Speaker 1: the best thing you can do is pace yourself well,
• 35:49
  Speaker 1: don't get ahead of yourself. The hardest part about the
• 35:52
  Speaker 1: New York Citney Marathon, in my opinion, is the last
• 35:54
  Speaker 1: ten k, and it just so happens to be that
• 35:56
  Speaker 1: no matter what on any course, the last ten k
• 35:59
  Speaker 1: is hard. Just pacing yourself well and not getting overly
• 36:03
  Speaker 1: anxious and pressing too soon is really key. And honestly,
• 36:06
  Speaker 1: it's the last five k that is the most challenging.
• 36:09
  Speaker 1: I think once you start to hit first dab, it's
• 36:12
  Speaker 1: it's about a mile long climb up to the park
• 36:14
  Speaker 1: and then you take a the right hand turn into
• 36:16
  Speaker 1: the park and then you kind of got some nice
• 36:18
  Speaker 1: tangent lines that weave through the park, and then I
• 36:21
  Speaker 1: think the trickiest part is you actually get spit back
• 36:23
  Speaker 1: out of the park.
• 36:24
  Speaker 4: I think that was the most.
• 36:25
  Speaker 1: Annoying part when I like realized when I ran it
• 36:27
  Speaker 1: for the first Time'm like, wait, why are we leaving
• 36:29
  Speaker 1: the park?
• 36:30
  Speaker 4: I thought?
• 36:31
  Speaker 1: And then it made it feel like it was a
• 36:32
  Speaker 1: lot longer not gonna lie because I was like wait
• 36:35
  Speaker 1: when do we go back in because the finish line's
• 36:37
  Speaker 1: in there?
• 36:38
  Speaker 4: Why am I out here?
• 36:40
  Speaker 1: So? Yeah, it's it's it's epic, it's beautiful. Gosh, Central
• 36:44
  Speaker 1: Park is just like one of my favorite places to run.
• 36:47
  Speaker 1: But yeah, it's it's such a special marathon. And the
• 36:50
  Speaker 1: finish is once again, there's one little hill at the
• 36:54
  Speaker 1: finish line.
• 36:54
  Speaker 2: Wow, you're really foreshadowing, like one little nub of a hill.
• 36:58
  Speaker 1: I'm like, that was mean who decided to do that?
• 37:02
  Speaker 1: But yeah, it's it's an experience unlike any other. And
• 37:06
  Speaker 1: I get chills and emotional every single time I run it.
• 37:09
  Speaker 4: I'm like, no, I'll be fine this year. I won't cry.
• 37:10
  Speaker 4: I won't no every every single time. What is wrong
• 37:14
  Speaker 4: with me?
• 37:16
  Speaker 2: Yeah?
• 37:16
  Speaker 1: So I'm really looking forward to experiencing it through someone
• 37:20
  Speaker 1: who's never run a marathon, and first one is New York.
• 37:24
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 37:24
  Speaker 3: What I'm hearing you say is if you hit the wall,
• 37:26
  Speaker 3: just remember that Central Park is ahead of you and
• 37:29
  Speaker 3: it's stunning.
• 37:30
  Speaker 1: It is it is, it's actually really beautiful. So yeah,
• 37:33
  Speaker 1: just that's your motivation, and race pizza and.
• 37:36
  Speaker 2: Race pizza pizza.
• 37:38
  Speaker 1: Just slow down, you know, went and out, just slow
• 37:40
  Speaker 1: down a little bit and fuel. Okay, if you start
• 37:42
  Speaker 1: to feel like things are getting a little edgy, things
• 37:45
  Speaker 1: are not feeling so good, just slow down. Walking's okay,
• 37:49
  Speaker 1: It's very okay. So I know some people are like, no,
• 37:52
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna not walk. No, I've walked. I've walked, and
• 37:55
  Speaker 1: it's it's totally fine, and you can still probably hit
• 37:57
  Speaker 1: your basement. In fact, you may run a better marathon
• 38:01
  Speaker 1: if you just acknowledge I'm struggling a little bit. I'm
• 38:03
  Speaker 1: going to walk for hot ten seconds. I'm going to
• 38:05
  Speaker 1: regroup and then start running again. Walking is totally okay.
• 38:09
  Speaker 3: You have been given permission by Slaine Flanagan to walk
• 38:13
  Speaker 3: during the New York City Marathon.
• 38:14
  Speaker 2: Everyone on the same page.
• 38:15
  Speaker 3: Lots of nodding here, Okay, Two final questions here for you, Slaine. Firstly,
• 38:20
  Speaker 3: aside from the marathon, what are you excited about right now?
• 38:24
  Speaker 4: Eating? Yeah? I love like New York just has the
• 38:29
  Speaker 4: best food.
• 38:30
  Speaker 1: So I'm going to go back and start looking up
• 38:32
  Speaker 1: all the amazing places to go eat right now, you know,
• 38:34
  Speaker 1: not too much.
• 38:35
  Speaker 4: But and then i have to quick departure after the.
• 38:39
  Speaker 1: Marathon, so I'm going to map out, like how quickly
• 38:41
  Speaker 1: I can get to them before I have to take
• 38:43
  Speaker 1: off for the airport. But yeah, I love a good
• 38:46
  Speaker 1: like black and white cookie. I don't know, is that
• 38:47
  Speaker 1: like do people? Are people really into the black and
• 38:50
  Speaker 1: white cookies? I really like New York thing. Black and
• 38:52
  Speaker 1: white cookies are definitely a New York thing. Yeah, I mean,
• 38:55
  Speaker 1: if you have any recommendations, I will take them.
• 38:57
  Speaker 3: Helaine's crowdsourcing black and white cookies. We got off the stage,
• 39:00
  Speaker 3: so everyone's on the same the same page here amazing
• 39:04
  Speaker 3: good food, good black and whites.
• 39:06
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, yeah, there's so much to do in
• 39:08
  Speaker 4: New York.
• 39:08
  Speaker 1: It's overwhelming. But my two favorite things to do here
• 39:10
  Speaker 1: are run and eat great good twenty four hours on
• 39:14
  Speaker 1: deck for you. Then, yes, finally I heard you have
• 39:18
  Speaker 1: a Tiffany coaching whistle.
• 39:20
  Speaker 4: How do you know that?
• 39:21
  Speaker 3: I am kind of in the loop, so knowing that
• 39:25
  Speaker 3: I know you're not carrying it right now, but I
• 39:28
  Speaker 3: want you to vision for a second.
• 39:31
  Speaker 2: You're holding your Tiffany coaching whistle.
• 39:33
  Speaker 3: You have all of these athletes in front of you,
• 39:36
  Speaker 3: your coach Flanagan, and they need the final pep talk
• 39:40
  Speaker 3: going into their big moment.
• 39:42
  Speaker 2: What do you tell them, Shalane.
• 39:44
  Speaker 1: Well, I can tell you, well, we may have to,
• 39:46
  Speaker 1: like I'll do a PG version. You know, I'll just
• 39:51
  Speaker 1: even say what I said to my women, my twelve
• 39:53
  Speaker 1: women yesterday in a huddle in Champagne, Illinois. You know,
• 39:58
  Speaker 1: it's u think about your goal and remind yourself of
• 40:03
  Speaker 1: your training and that you're so beyond capable, you have prepared,
• 40:08
  Speaker 1: and that this is fun. It really is. It should
• 40:11
  Speaker 1: be fun and to go f stuff up. That's what
• 40:16
  Speaker 1: I said, go f stuff up. That's amazing, that's amazing.
• 40:20
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 40:20
  Speaker 3: Well, Sheelaine, thank you so much for coming here and
• 40:22
  Speaker 3: hanging out with me and us today.
• 40:24
  Speaker 2: Let's give it up for Selaine Flan again.
• 40:26
  Speaker 4: Thank you.
• 40:29
  Speaker 2: Have an amazing run.
• 40:31
  Speaker 3: For those of you that are going to be out
• 40:32
  Speaker 3: there tomorrow, I will see you on the course. I'm
• 40:34
  Speaker 3: running as well, and as I say on the show,
• 40:37
  Speaker 3: another hurdle conquered.
• 40:38
  Speaker 2: Catch you guys next time.