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Bryan Johnson _ This Past Weekend w_ Theo Von _644(M4A_128K) · Drawn of History

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  Speaker 1: Today's guest is a longevity expert. He's a health advocate.
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  Speaker 1: He's basically his own guinea pig. You know, he's kind
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  Speaker 1: of the doctor and Frankenstein in a way. He's an entrepreneur.
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  Speaker 1: He's been experimenting on himself, trying to beat the final chapter,
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  Speaker 1: the coffin. Yep. He wants to live forever. We're going
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  Speaker 1: to learn about it. I'm grateful to have a conversation today,
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  Speaker 1: which we got to do quickly because I think he's
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  Speaker 1: got to be in bed at like 4 p.m. I'm
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  Speaker 1: very happy that he's here. Today's guest is Mr. Brian Johnson. Um, Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: this lemon water, dude, I drink this a lot. I
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  Speaker 1: hear that it's good for inflammation. Yeah. And I do
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  Speaker 1: a lot of fasting, and so that's been something that
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  Speaker 1: on a fast I will have this. Yeah. A certain amount.
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  Speaker 2: I like the chunks of ginger, man. That's solid.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Do you chew on those?
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  Speaker 1: No.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, have you done that?
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  Speaker 1: Nuh-uh. It's good. Is that a thing, chewing on ginger chunks? Yeah. Wow.
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  Speaker 1: Never even thought of that. Do you know exactly what
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  Speaker 1: it does? You just feel the vibes of it.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. It's very strong vibe. So yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: It's a nice reward at the end. Like, let me
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  Speaker 2: give you a punch in the face. Ginger does something similar.
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  Speaker 1: Hmm.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Maybe I'll throw one in the old.
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  Speaker 2: You feel better after doing it though?
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  Speaker 1: I just feel like I'm on, on, I have a
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  Speaker 1: plan and then I'm sticking to it.
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  Speaker 2: So much of life is like that. If you like,
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  Speaker 2: kind of doesn't matter if it works, but like, it's
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  Speaker 2: like a thing is structured, planned kind of the thing.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, it starts to give me a little bit
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  Speaker 1: like of integrity with myself, you know, and it becomes
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  Speaker 1: kind of a pattern. Um, that's been one of the
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  Speaker 1: toughest things I think for me. And I would guess
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  Speaker 1: probably for most people is just, uh, starting a pattern sometimes,
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  Speaker 1: you know? Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: I feel like that's kind of been one of the
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  Speaker 1: things that it keeps you from the negative patterns. Yeah. Well,
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  Speaker 1: it's like, well, if I know if I have this
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  Speaker 1: to do tomorrow and it's a positive thing, then sometimes
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  Speaker 1: it's like, if there's something negative the night before or
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  Speaker 1: someone I'm like, I can't do it. I already have
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  Speaker 1: a commitment, you know? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But it has
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  Speaker 1: been tough. Um, I go in spurts where sometimes it's,
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  Speaker 1: it's better than others. But honoring commitments to myself and
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  Speaker 1: just building that integrity that I know I'm going to
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  Speaker 1: be here for myself every day, that's been a challenge
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  Speaker 1: for me. It's gotten better over time, but that's been
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  Speaker 1: probably one of my tougher things. I would imagine it
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  Speaker 1: might be for a lot of folks.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, like the disconnect between what you want to do
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  Speaker 2: and what you actually do, which is like the human condition,
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  Speaker 2: like what our existence is defined by. And, like, how
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  Speaker 2: big is that divide probably determines if you're happy or
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  Speaker 2: not in life.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think you're right. I mean, that's one of
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  Speaker 1: the things that I think about the most is how
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  Speaker 1: far away am I from what I would like to
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  Speaker 1: be doing, what my behaviors would like to be. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Where are you at now in life? Like, I mean,
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  Speaker 2: you've gone through various stages. How would you assess now?
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  Speaker 2: I think, like, with work, work and things like that
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  Speaker 2: have been good. You know, that stuff has been good.
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  Speaker 1: I think... you know, on the wellness side of like
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  Speaker 1: probably emotional wellness, you know, I've suffered with like, or
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  Speaker 1: I've dealt with like a lot of like connectivity disorders,
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  Speaker 1: like relationship stuff, commitment, you know, like probably wishing I
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  Speaker 1: was making better choices with my like dating and social
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  Speaker 1: life at times. And, you know, sometimes if someone will
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  Speaker 1: show interest, I'll kind of, I'll have to see what's there.
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  Speaker 1: Whereas sometimes if I know it's not even a good fit,
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  Speaker 1: you know, so that's probably been one of the tougher
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  Speaker 1: things has probably been my emotional addictive behavior.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: I'm, I guess I'm newly in a partnership, the best
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  Speaker 2: relationship of my life.
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  Speaker 1: Really?
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  Speaker 2: We've been together for a couple of years now and man,
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  Speaker 2: it is like, I mean, it is the single thing
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  Speaker 2: in life that makes me more happy than anything. You know,
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  Speaker 2: like relationships are so tough and especially when they tip
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  Speaker 2: to acrimony.
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  Speaker 1: What does acrimony mean?
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  Speaker 2: Just like when it's a negative state, you know, when
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  Speaker 2: there's like bickering and like finding fault and trying to
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  Speaker 2: correct and the inability to resolve conflict. When there's a
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  Speaker 2: negative vibe and it just kind of persists in this
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  Speaker 2: low level where it's always unsettled.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: There's just nothing worse. And I mean, that's true in
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  Speaker 2: business relationships. It's true in personal relationships, friendships, all kinds.
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  Speaker 2: And like what I have now is just so good.
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  Speaker 1: Let's go. Yeah. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: So I feel you. And without it, it, I mean,
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  Speaker 2: it's tough to be alone. You know, it's tough to
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  Speaker 2: be like trying to date, build relationships and not work
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  Speaker 2: out and go to the next one. It's tiring to
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  Speaker 2: like repeat that again and again.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah. I think that is, that's, that's definitely true.
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  Speaker 1: And then it's like, you start to compartmentalize things. Okay, well,
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  Speaker 1: I'll just go on a date here. I'll just, you know,
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  Speaker 1: have this part of my relationship or intimacy here. And
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  Speaker 1: it's like, you know, and that's not, that's not the
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  Speaker 1: healthiest way to operate either. But congratulations. Yeah, they just
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  Speaker 1: showed your lady right there. Yeah, it's Kate Tolo. Oh,
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  Speaker 1: beautiful lady, man. Congratulations. You guys were smiling in that picture.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, man, we have so much fun together. I mean, we,
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  Speaker 2: it's like, I'd get teary just even talking about it.
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  Speaker 2: We laugh and play. It's just so good.
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  Speaker 1: Yes. She really does something for you.
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  Speaker 2: She does, man. Like, you know, like I was, um,
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  Speaker 2: I wrote this up online and I was thinking, I'm
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  Speaker 2: a big fan of Ernest Shackleton and he was just
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  Speaker 2: an explorer. Yeah, exactly. So he did the, the trans, uh,
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  Speaker 2: Antarctic expedition. He was trying to go pole, uh, you know,
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  Speaker 2: shore to shore for the first time. So from top
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  Speaker 2: to bottom, uh, just down to the South pole from
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  Speaker 2: like one side to the other, the other side.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, just at the South Pole.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, so they got the ship all prepared, they got
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  Speaker 2: all their materials, you know, like enough food and materials
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  Speaker 2: for the entire duration. They get stuck in the ice
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  Speaker 2: before they even get there, early winter. And then the
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  Speaker 2: entire book is about this insane survival story, like what
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  Speaker 2: they went through, and not a single man in his
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  Speaker 2: crew died. But when you read what he went through,
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  Speaker 2: it's just unimaginable that they were able to endure these
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  Speaker 2: kinds of things. And I know this is like, it's
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  Speaker 2: too dramatic of a comparison, but there was some similarities.
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  Speaker 2: I was thinking before, like, what does it feel like
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  Speaker 2: to not have deep companionship in my life where I've
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  Speaker 2: had relationships and they weren't good, right? They ended up
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  Speaker 2: being bad. And then having something that is good, it
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  Speaker 2: felt like, I'm sure what Shackleton and his crew felt like,
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  Speaker 2: putting their feet on land after being adrift in the
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  Speaker 2: ocean for, you know, I don't know what the total
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  Speaker 2: duration of time, maybe a year, but just like stable
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  Speaker 2: relationships sturdy, solid, you know, instead of like, what's happening today?
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  Speaker 2: What do I have to deal with? Is my life
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  Speaker 2: at risk? Like just all the emotional whiplash you get
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  Speaker 2: and like challenges. And when you're by yourself, it's also
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  Speaker 2: harder to self-regulate. It's harder to calm yourself down. It's
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  Speaker 2: nice when someone else is there to kind of be
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  Speaker 2: like a, Oh.
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  Speaker 1: Get a hug. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: A hundred percent.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, the other day I was, I saw my friend in, um,
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  Speaker 1: in LA and I got a hug and she just
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  Speaker 1: kind of gave me like a, She gave me a
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  Speaker 1: nice hug. And then I was like, I'm going to
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  Speaker 1: stay in this hug. Let me get another.
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  Speaker 2: You could just burrow in there.
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  Speaker 1: Like charging my phone. Yeah, yeah. Oh. Yeah, yeah.
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  Speaker 2: So was she like a 10 out of 10 hugger?
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  Speaker 1: You know what? She surprised me. But yeah, she got
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  Speaker 1: a good hug on her. That's for sure.
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  Speaker 2: Some people are just like gifted huggers. They just know
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  Speaker 2: how to bring it in. And somehow the arm from
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  Speaker 2: the chest and the whole thing just fits like a
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  Speaker 2: puzzle piece.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, like even like a lot of times, yeah, we
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  Speaker 1: talked about before, like a grandmother will hug you so well. Sometimes, yeah.
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  Speaker 1: I've always kind of, I guess, been that I'll do
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  Speaker 1: the one-arm hug. I hug a lot, though. I hug
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  Speaker 1: a lot. I think sometimes it catches people off guard. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: what's going on, man? Yeah, I don't know if you're
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  Speaker 1: supposed to hug this person. But open up a hug bank.
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  Speaker 1: You know what they should do? Yeah. Those places where
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  Speaker 1: they had pay phones before. They should have somebody stand there,
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  Speaker 1: put a quarter in their pocket, and they got a hug,
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  Speaker 1: you know?
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  Speaker 2: It's like one of the most underappreciated things.
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  Speaker 1: Yes. Relaunch the hug. I think they got it. Well,
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  Speaker 1: I think we're ready for it. Brian Johnson, thanks for
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  Speaker 1: coming in, man.
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  Speaker 2: Thanks for having me.
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  Speaker 1: Nice to meet you, bro.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's good to see you.
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  Speaker 1: It's a pleasure, dude. I think you're different than maybe
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  Speaker 1: what I seem like you. I thought you would seem
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  Speaker 1: a little bit more like a robot.
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  Speaker 2: You know, I get that so much. I mean, I've
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  Speaker 2: had several people approach me like, are you AI? you know, like,
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  Speaker 2: like really believing that's the case. So I think I
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  Speaker 2: am robotic. I think I'm somewhere neurodivergent in some areas.
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  Speaker 2: So I think people are just confused by me generally.
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  Speaker 2: So I, I understand that.
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  Speaker 1: Like, yeah, that was my thought, but it, you seemed
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  Speaker 1: way more normal than that. Like just like a regular
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  Speaker 1: dude who's been like, um, you know, doing wild shit
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  Speaker 1: with his blood, you know, like, you seem to, it's
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  Speaker 1: more like a, like a chill ass kind of Dracula type.
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  Speaker 2: Of, what was your, what did you expect?
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  Speaker 1: I think I expected somebody that seemed to be honest
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  Speaker 1: to have like more of a sense of, and this
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  Speaker 1: is just a wild generalization. And this is probably not
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  Speaker 1: the best word, but more of like an autism to them. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: And I, yeah, I didn't get that at all. I
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  Speaker 1: just got like a warm guy. Um, who seems like
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  Speaker 1: a lot more engaging than other people I've met who
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  Speaker 1: I've thought similar things about. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: It's just, it's just hiding. It will manifest in a
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  Speaker 2: few minutes.
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  Speaker 1: That's what I was going to say there. When it
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  Speaker 1: starts to bubble up.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's right.
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  Speaker 1: When your keeper, whoever's operating you on an, on the app.
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  Speaker 2: That's right.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. Turns up.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. And the mask slowly starts slipping.
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  Speaker 1: It's like, Oh yeah. Like your database is showing dude
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  Speaker 1: or something. exactly. Um, so just so our viewers know,
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  Speaker 1: and so many people know about you now, man, there's
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  Speaker 1: so many clips you out there. You've kind of, um
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  Speaker 1: you're kind of this astronaut that hasn't left the planet
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  Speaker 1: in a way kind of because it's like you know
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  Speaker 1: you're kind of using yourself as an experiment that's what
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  Speaker 1: it seems you know you're life maxing that's what people
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  Speaker 1: say um can you just explain to us kind of
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  Speaker 1: what your general sort of goal is um or what
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  Speaker 1: your motive has been.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah so i'd say um Here's an example for you.
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  Speaker 2: In 1870, the big talk of the town was there
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  Speaker 2: was this divide over this guy who had ideas that
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  Speaker 2: the reason why people were getting sick and dying is
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  Speaker 2: because of these microscopic objects called bacteria. And half the
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  Speaker 2: town was like, that's stupid as fuck. What are you
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  Speaker 2: talking about? The other half was like, honestly, that could
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  Speaker 2: be legit. Now, like they didn't have the ability to
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  Speaker 2: see these microscopic objects, but it turned out it's true.
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  Speaker 2: These microscopic objects are called bacteria, right? They can cause infection.
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  Speaker 2: So if you don't wash your hands in between surgery, or, uh,
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  Speaker 2: when you're maintaining hygiene practices, you get infection and risk
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  Speaker 2: increase your risk of dying. And so that's the kind
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  Speaker 2: of example where a new idea showed up. It was
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  Speaker 2: seen as crazy. And, uh, Eventually, it turned out to
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  Speaker 2: be true. And now today, we're like, oh, of course.
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  Speaker 1: That happens every year.
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  Speaker 2: Every year. Yeah, exactly. And so the idea I'm basically
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  Speaker 2: suggesting to the world is that we've reached a point
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  Speaker 2: of humans on the planet where we may not die. Now,
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  Speaker 2: that sounds batshit crazy.
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  Speaker 1: Whereas in we can live forever.
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  Speaker 2: Not even forever, right? Because it's not a concept we understand.
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  Speaker 2: It's just that we might be able to extend our
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  Speaker 2: lifespans to horizons where we can't really imagine. For example,
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  Speaker 2: like 150, 200, 500, a thousand, like some number we
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  Speaker 2: don't even know that breaks our brains. So it's just
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  Speaker 2: not like a 70 year expectancy, right? It's something much longer.
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  Speaker 2: And it could be the case that as our lifespans
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  Speaker 2: are extended, they get longer and longer and longer and longer.
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  Speaker 2: We can't quite see the end horizon. So that's what
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  Speaker 2: I'm suggesting is we are at that point with technology
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  Speaker 2: where we may be the first generations of humans who
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  Speaker 2: don't die. Now, if that's the case, everything changes. And
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  Speaker 2: so that's what I've been trying to do is to
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  Speaker 2: say that if that is the case, how does a
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  Speaker 2: human behave? What do they do? And so that's the whole,
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  Speaker 2: that's why it's so controversial is because you take status
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  Speaker 2: quo and it's like, if we're all going to die anyways, well, bro,
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  Speaker 2: you might as well, right? Like, do all the stuff
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  Speaker 2: people do today. Right.
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  Speaker 1: Drink PBR or whatever for it, you know, send it,
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  Speaker 1: you know, exactly. Yeah. Knock up some woman or man.
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  Speaker 1: Now I think you can even knock up. You're like,
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  Speaker 1: what's happening. Um, but I see what you're saying. So like,
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  Speaker 1: if you, if you say, if you got to the
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  Speaker 1: finish line and they're like, Oh, you can't cross the
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  Speaker 1: finish line anymore. You're like, Oh, if I didn't know
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  Speaker 1: that I would have ran the race so differently. Exactly.
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  Speaker 1: Or back in 19, I would have taken my time
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  Speaker 1: along the race instead. Now I'm just standing there at
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  Speaker 1: the finish line. decrepit or like with, you know, just
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  Speaker 1: like aftermarket pieces and stuff. Yeah. And, um, and I
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  Speaker 1: would have done it differently.
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  Speaker 2: That's right. So like right now, like you basically, if
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  Speaker 2: everybody dies, then you're playing a game of YOLO. And
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  Speaker 2: so then your game is YOLO is like, okay, what
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  Speaker 2: am I willing to, well, I'm willing to trade life
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  Speaker 2: for what? And so for example, the world I came
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  Speaker 2: from entrepreneurship, the playbook is you don't sleep. You don't
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  Speaker 2: take care of your health. You run yourself ragged. You
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  Speaker 2: try very hard to make a whole bunch of money.
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  Speaker 2: But in doing that, you burn yourself to a crisp, right?
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  Speaker 2: And then you end up and you're like fat. You're
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  Speaker 2: like 40 years older than when you started.
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  Speaker 1: Your family's falling apart. You're a crisp or you don't
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  Speaker 1: have one. Exactly.
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  Speaker 2: But you're just burnt to a crisp. That's what happened
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  Speaker 2: to me. And so you basically say, I'm willing to
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  Speaker 2: trade life for this money because there's this idea of
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  Speaker 2: if you have money, then you get blank. And so
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  Speaker 2: you're making this explicit trade-off. I'm willing to trade my
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  Speaker 2: conscious existence for money. And I'm saying that trade no
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  Speaker 2: longer makes sense. It no longer makes sense to die
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  Speaker 2: for something like that. Now we all have like practical things.
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  Speaker 2: We need to pay our bills and stuff like that.
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  Speaker 2: But I'm trying to basically say we're, we're a society
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  Speaker 2: that has built a society of die and I'm working
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  Speaker 2: on don't die as the new way of being human.
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  Speaker 2: So that's like the gist of it.
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  Speaker 1: But do you think it's easier to say that once
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  Speaker 1: you have some money and once you have like a,
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  Speaker 1: you know, you have a place where you're like, okay,
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  Speaker 1: you know, I know that I'm going to be okay.
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  Speaker 1: Like it's, Like, do you think you would have been
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  Speaker 1: able to switch that mindset before having, because then you
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  Speaker 1: had a company and you guys sold it for, you know,
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  Speaker 1: a great deal of money and congratulations. Thanks. And yeah,
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  Speaker 1: and that's the American dream, you know, but do you
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  Speaker 1: think you would have been able to have that same
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  Speaker 1: mindset before? Because that mindset before is like, yeah, grind,
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  Speaker 1: get this money, everything will be good. And it kind
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  Speaker 1: of is nice in some ways because there's a goal there. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: do you think you could have had it before or
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  Speaker 1: is it easier to have now?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, there's two parts to this. One is
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  Speaker 2: I'm saying that like fast food companies like McDonald's and Wendy's,
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  Speaker 2: they're evil. They use science to make food that addicts
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  Speaker 2: you to their food, right? They're building addiction.
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  Speaker 1: For sure.
• 14:56
  Speaker 2: Social media algorithms, they're building addiction, right? Vape, porn, alcohol, smoking,
• 15:02
  Speaker 2: like basically as a society, we have a predator-prey relationship
• 15:06
  Speaker 2: where companies prey upon individuals with the best science and
• 15:10
  Speaker 2: technology possible and extract from them life for profit. And so,
• 15:14
  Speaker 2: first of all, the observation I'm saying is, hey, companies,
• 15:18
  Speaker 2: stop being evil. Like, don't use your powers to make
• 15:22
  Speaker 2: people addicted, to make them, you know, to take their
• 15:24
  Speaker 2: life from them. And then two is, I don't want
• 15:28
  Speaker 2: to blame people because I know that's, it's easy for
• 15:31
  Speaker 2: me to say this once I've been on the other
• 15:33
  Speaker 2: side so one i'm just trying to say like hey
• 15:35
  Speaker 2: this is fucked up uh number two is i try
• 15:38
  Speaker 2: to be a really positive role in people's lives to
• 15:40
  Speaker 2: say like if you're ambitious and you do want to
• 15:43
  Speaker 2: make a whole bunch of money for example um here's
• 15:45
  Speaker 2: a playbook right like the idea that you're better off
• 15:49
  Speaker 2: working 18 hours a day and sleeping for is just
• 15:52
  Speaker 2: scientifically wrong i got it right so like if you're
• 15:55
  Speaker 2: gonna work really hard make sure you get eight hours
• 15:57
  Speaker 2: of sleep make sure you do a little bit of exercise,
• 16:00
  Speaker 2: eat well, but you're not going to be doing yourself
• 16:02
  Speaker 2: a favor if you're eating trash, right? Not sleeping well
• 16:05
  Speaker 2: and not working out. Like it makes your system, like
• 16:08
  Speaker 2: for an engineer, it means like nobody wants to write
• 16:11
  Speaker 2: shitty code. If you don't take care of yourself, you
• 16:14
  Speaker 2: are shitty code. It's like, don't be shitty code and
• 16:17
  Speaker 2: try to build life. And so those are the two things,
• 16:19
  Speaker 2: but I want to be very clear. Like I'm not
• 16:21
  Speaker 2: blaming people. We just live in a fucked up society.
• 16:24
  Speaker 2: And I'm trying to call attention to the fact that like,
• 16:27
  Speaker 2: the system you're playing in is not a good one.
• 16:30
  Speaker 1: And it's heavily stacked against people, especially if there's a
• 16:33
  Speaker 1: lot of things where it is addiction-based. It's like, oh, well,
• 16:36
  Speaker 1: they know, there's so much information now of how to
• 16:38
  Speaker 1: get you addicted down to the molecule, down to like
• 16:41
  Speaker 1: the moment of what you're looking at on your phone.
• 16:45
  Speaker 1: It really is a war. It's a battle for your preservation.
• 16:49
  Speaker 1: It's like, it used to be that, you know, the
• 16:51
  Speaker 1: man had to wake up and he was, he had
• 16:53
  Speaker 1: to know where the predator was, where the apex predators are.
• 16:55
  Speaker 1: And now the apex predators are, they're, you know, they're
• 16:59
  Speaker 1: in our homes, they're in our hands. Um, and it,
• 17:02
  Speaker 1: it really is. It's, it's still a, uh, it's a
• 17:05
  Speaker 1: battle and that is a battle. It's like, if you
• 17:07
  Speaker 1: want to take it on and then some days and
• 17:09
  Speaker 1: moments and some people's lives are like, you know, I
• 17:11
  Speaker 1: don't really want to take that battle on. And that's
• 17:13
  Speaker 1: kind of okay too. But I think knowing that the
• 17:16
  Speaker 1: battle is there is pretty, at least makes it that
• 17:18
  Speaker 1: all the cards are on the table. Um, Yeah, I
• 17:21
  Speaker 1: saw that you recently, you did a social media fast, right? Yeah,
• 17:24
  Speaker 1: I did.
• 17:25
  Speaker 2: Take me through some of that. What was that like? Yeah,
• 17:28
  Speaker 2: so first, I love social media. I think it's so
• 17:33
  Speaker 2: much fun.
• 17:33
  Speaker 1: We have great stuff on X. It's like you can't
• 17:35
  Speaker 1: even scroll through X without finding something that's great from
• 17:37
  Speaker 1: Brian Johnson. And a lot of it's really great information too. Oh,
• 17:40
  Speaker 1: here's the post, right? I did a 40 hour and
• 17:42
  Speaker 1: then a 70 hour social media fast. I've come to
• 17:44
  Speaker 1: believe that social media is pollution.
• 17:47
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so first of all, in watching your Netflix specials, Like,
• 17:51
  Speaker 2: what I love about watching that is you can say anything, right? Like,
• 17:57
  Speaker 2: the shit you talk about is so unhinged. Like, literally, there's, like,
• 18:02
  Speaker 2: no balance. Maybe you've got material where you're like, probably
• 18:05
  Speaker 2: shouldn't include that one, but, like, I couldn't detect it.
• 18:07
  Speaker 1: Oh, yeah. I like just saying shit. Because that's what
• 18:10
  Speaker 1: you're supposed to be able to do. Exactly.
• 18:12
  Speaker 2: So, like, what I love about that is the elbow
• 18:15
  Speaker 2: room you have, right? There's, like, when you look at existence,
• 18:17
  Speaker 2: you say, like, my goal is to entertain you. And
• 18:20
  Speaker 2: I have all this open space. But then when people
• 18:23
  Speaker 2: don't have that, when you don't have comedy as the
• 18:26
  Speaker 2: outlet and you're playing in society, people sit in a
• 18:29
  Speaker 2: very narrow box. They feel like they can only say
• 18:32
  Speaker 2: certain things. If they step outside that, they get punished
• 18:34
  Speaker 2: by the tribe, right? Like for whatever reason. And so
• 18:37
  Speaker 2: what I love about social media is it just has
• 18:40
  Speaker 2: enabled me to create elbow room. Like I posted nudes
• 18:44
  Speaker 2: of myself, you know, like we did the blood, the
• 18:47
  Speaker 2: plasma transfers, like we We basically have done enough things.
• 18:50
  Speaker 2: I did magic mushrooms on a live stream.
• 18:52
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's what really made me think, oh, I really
• 18:54
  Speaker 1: want to talk to this guy now because he's going
• 18:56
  Speaker 1: into other realms. Yeah. And before we get into some
• 18:59
  Speaker 1: of that, what were some of the findings from the
• 19:01
  Speaker 1: social media fast? Or do you think it was long
• 19:02
  Speaker 1: enough to notice anything? It was.
• 19:04
  Speaker 2: Honestly, it was kind of life-changing. I did one fast
• 19:08
  Speaker 2: that was 40 hours long, and then I did a
• 19:10
  Speaker 2: second fast that was 70 hours long. And the science
• 19:13
  Speaker 2: behind this is when you're engaged in social media, you
• 19:17
  Speaker 2: basically have dopamine dysregulation, right? Like you're in this addiction
• 19:22
  Speaker 2: state and you don't realize it, but it's actually creating
• 19:25
  Speaker 2: all kinds of harm. And then you engage with social
• 19:27
  Speaker 2: media to feel normal again. And then once you pull
• 19:30
  Speaker 2: out of it and you have that break, you kind
• 19:32
  Speaker 2: of get, you're out of the spell. You're not hypnotized anymore.
• 19:35
  Speaker 2: And then you get to feel it for what it is.
• 19:37
  Speaker 2: So now when I pull up the feed, it feels toxic.
• 19:41
  Speaker 2: Like it feels like I've had a fast food meal
• 19:44
  Speaker 2: Or like I've had, I'm in a secondhand room of
• 19:46
  Speaker 2: secondhand smoke or like it just feels so bad. And
• 19:50
  Speaker 2: I guess that I, I, um, pay attention to these
• 19:53
  Speaker 2: feelings because over the past five years, I've been doing
• 19:56
  Speaker 2: like hundreds of experiments to my body. Like what things
• 20:00
  Speaker 2: make my body rejuvenate and what things make my body die.
• 20:03
  Speaker 2: So I have this intuition I've built. And now when
• 20:06
  Speaker 2: I go into social media, it literally feels like death.
• 20:09
  Speaker 2: And so it's complicated though, because I love social media.
• 20:12
  Speaker 2: I love to post. I love to play. I love
• 20:14
  Speaker 2: to interact. But also when I get on, it's like,
• 20:17
  Speaker 2: I'm like, nah, this is not good. So honestly, it's complicated.
• 20:21
  Speaker 2: I don't know what to do.
• 20:23
  Speaker 1: Yeah. There's a thing I noticed if I've taken mushrooms
• 20:25
  Speaker 1: before and you'll look at your phone, it's like, oh,
• 20:28
  Speaker 1: get that away from me. Yeah.
• 20:30
  Speaker 2: You feel it, right?
• 20:31
  Speaker 1: Yes. It's like, oh, that's not real. That's not, that's
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: the most unnatural thing. Like, what is that? It all, yeah, it's,
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: it feels like a kryptonite. Or if I've done ayahuasca
• 20:39
  Speaker 1: or been on ayahuasca and you're coming in and I
• 20:41
  Speaker 1: see my phone or I'll get home and turn on
• 20:43
  Speaker 1: the TV, I'm like, oh, get that thing away from me.
• 20:45
  Speaker 1: That is something that's just resonating, like something dark. Yeah.
• 20:49
  Speaker 2: Isn't that interesting? Like in those moments when you feel sober,
• 20:52
  Speaker 2: it's like you do, you can viscerally feel it.
• 20:55
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 20:55
  Speaker 2: But then once you get in there and you kind
• 20:57
  Speaker 2: of play around for a while, you don't, you lose
• 20:59
  Speaker 2: that sensitivity and you feel normal again. But yeah, it's,
• 21:02
  Speaker 2: I think, and so what's been resonating is I've been,
• 21:05
  Speaker 2: so I posted this on social. I said, because a
• 21:07
  Speaker 2: lot of people think that social media is like a
• 21:09
  Speaker 2: vice or like a, you know, a bad habit. But
• 21:13
  Speaker 2: I reframed it and said, actually, I think it's pollution.
• 21:16
  Speaker 2: It's like microplastics or lead in the pipes or asbestos
• 21:19
  Speaker 2: in the wall or like, you know, lead in the gasoline.
• 21:23
  Speaker 2: I think it really is like a societal pollution. It
• 21:26
  Speaker 2: accumulates in the body. It creates low-grade inflammation. And I've
• 21:30
  Speaker 2: been sharing this. So many people are like, I feel this.
• 21:32
  Speaker 2: But they, the problem is you can't like, Telling someone
• 21:36
  Speaker 2: to turn it off is like telling someone to not
• 21:39
  Speaker 2: breathe coal smoke in London in the 19th century. You
• 21:44
  Speaker 2: can't do it. Or if there's water pollution, the solution
• 21:48
  Speaker 2: for water pollution in London in the 19th century was
• 21:50
  Speaker 2: not to say don't drink water. It was to filter
• 21:52
  Speaker 2: the water. So I think the solution here is, I
• 21:54
  Speaker 2: propose this, that if people could build AI to basically
• 21:59
  Speaker 2: create a layer of protection between me and the internet,
• 22:03
  Speaker 2: like me and the social feed, extract out all the
• 22:05
  Speaker 2: performative metrics, extract out all the garbage, all the slop,
• 22:09
  Speaker 2: and give me the goodness. But I want someone to,
• 22:11
  Speaker 2: it would be cool if someone could build social media
• 22:14
  Speaker 2: into a longevity therapy versus actually having a cigarette.
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: Oh, I see what you're saying, like make it a long,
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: slow fire that has a mix of things.
• 22:25
  Speaker 2: Help me, when I engage with it, I want to
• 22:27
  Speaker 2: feel good. I want to feel like I've drank lemon
• 22:30
  Speaker 2: water and ginger.
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: Right, as opposed to like having a couple of Cokes.
• 22:33
  Speaker 2: Yeah, or you slam a bunch of energy drinks.
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: Oh, yeah. Dude, my friend keeps a five-hour energy drink
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: in his sock.
• 22:40
  Speaker 2: You know, like this is the thing, right? People pound
• 22:43
  Speaker 2: like two to three to four a day, like between
• 22:46
  Speaker 2: 400 and 800 milligrams of caffeine. And they're like on
• 22:50
  Speaker 2: top of modafinil or something, you know? So it's like.
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: And kids are doing it. Kids will get an energy
• 22:55
  Speaker 1: drink before school. I'm like, what are you... Dude, your
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: grades are bad.
• 22:59
  Speaker 2: It's not even a performance. Yeah, what are you doing?
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: What are you even doing over there, dude? Yeah, just
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: because you're reading the fucking Crucible or whatever, I got
• 23:06
  Speaker 1: to get you another Celsius or something. Oh, it says, hey,
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: social media users visibly decline one or two points in attractiveness. Oh, yeah,
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: I saw you said something that social media even can
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: make us uglier.
• 23:19
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it does.
• 23:19
  Speaker 1: This is the post. Really?
• 23:21
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, this is good science because like when you
• 23:25
  Speaker 2: engage heavily in social media, You're basically, you have higher depression,
• 23:30
  Speaker 2: higher anxiety. You've got more inflammation. You sleep more poorly.
• 23:33
  Speaker 2: So these are all things that when the body is
• 23:36
  Speaker 2: in that condition, you just look worse. So yeah, so
• 23:39
  Speaker 2: heavy social media users lose at least a point or
• 23:42
  Speaker 2: two on the attractiveness scale. Like you may go from
• 23:44
  Speaker 2: a seven to a five. So yeah, it does legitimately
• 23:47
  Speaker 2: affect appearance. Yeah.
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: And I think everybody kind of starts at an eight.
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: That's what I think. If you brush your teeth, you're
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: an eight.
• 23:54
  Speaker 2: And you're nice, you're like 8.5. And you give a
• 23:56
  Speaker 2: good hug, you're like nine.
• 23:57
  Speaker 1: Oh, you're already halfway there. Yeah. And then the rest
• 23:59
  Speaker 1: is just the Lord. And if your parents, if they
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: were tens. Wow, that's kind of, yeah, because I, this
• 24:07
  Speaker 1: is interesting because I do notice like, first of all,
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: I'll say to people, I noticed this now I'll say
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: to people, Hey, I'm going to go into my phone
• 24:13
  Speaker 1: for a second.
• 24:14
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 24:14
  Speaker 1: So it's almost like I'm T I'm letting you, it's
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: almost like, yeah, I'm going to have a cigarette. It's
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: like the same sort of thing. And then now it's
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: gotten to me. Sometimes I'm just so sick of watching social.
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: It's just like, I'll look at a few things and
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: it's just like, Oh, this isn't how this isn't doing
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: anything anymore. That started the thing too, is I don't even,
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: this doesn't feel like it's doing anything anymore. Um, And
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: then that the algorithm that you know somebody's behind it
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: kind of queuing up what is next, it doesn't leave
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: as much of a whimsicalness about it. Yeah, that's right.
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  Speaker 1: one tweet that's just getting a lot of attention that
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: i saw mobile phone short video uses negatively impacts attention
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: functions yeah An EEG study says, one thing I do
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: feel like is that there should be accountability for whoever
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: is making the algorithms. Like, because there's been kids who
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: get affected and then they watch stuff. Um, and then
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: they might consider self harm, right? Or people who you're
• 27:59
  Speaker 1: curious about one video, but then it serves you seven others.
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  Speaker 1: And now you have a strong take about a group
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: or about a person or anything. So it's like, shouldn't
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  Speaker 1: the creator of the algorithm, like if I make something
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  Speaker 1: and I give it to you and I know it's
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: bad and poisonous, you know, there should be, you should
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: be somewhat accountable. It feels like I know there's just
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: now a court case. Um, or wasn't Zuckerberg just in court? Yeah. Yeah.
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: In LA. Um, Here we go. Mark Zuckerberg grilled about
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: underage Instagram users' social media addiction during landmark trial. In
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: his first time testifying about child safety in front of
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: a jury, Zuckerberg said the company does not seek to
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: make Instagram addictive to younger users, pushing back against claims
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: that the social media app is designed to be harmful
• 28:43
  Speaker 1: to children. I'm focused on building a community that is sustainable.
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: If you do something that's not good for people, maybe
• 28:50
  Speaker 1: they'll spend more time short term. But if they're not
• 28:53
  Speaker 1: happy with it, they're not going to use it over time.
• 28:55
  Speaker 1: I'm not trying to maximize the amount of time people
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: spend every month.
• 28:59
  Speaker 2: This is why I was saying that I wanted to
• 29:01
  Speaker 2: reframe because when people talk about social media, typically the
• 29:04
  Speaker 2: blame is on the person. The person spends too much
• 29:08
  Speaker 2: time on social media, right? They need to be more disciplined.
• 29:10
  Speaker 2: They need to set limits. And when you reframe this
• 29:12
  Speaker 2: and you say, actually, social media is a pollutant. It's
• 29:16
  Speaker 2: like some company manufacturing cigarettes or asbestos or lead or
• 29:21
  Speaker 2: I When you reframe it that way, it's what you said,
• 29:23
  Speaker 2: is this is a pollutant driving society, that it is
• 29:27
  Speaker 2: making society depressed, anxious, lose focus, having all sorts of
• 29:32
  Speaker 2: negative psychological and physiological implications. When you reframe it that way,
• 29:36
  Speaker 2: it changes the blame from the individual to like, you
• 29:39
  Speaker 2: can't reframe. expect people to want to be part of
• 29:43
  Speaker 2: the tribe, to want to be part of a friend group,
• 29:45
  Speaker 2: and then put them in a system like the, it's
• 29:48
  Speaker 2: like lead in pipes. Water is in the pipes, but
• 29:51
  Speaker 2: also lead is too. So it's like you can't, the
• 29:53
  Speaker 2: solution is not to tell people to get off the phone.
• 29:55
  Speaker 2: You have to do some kind of filtering or something
• 29:59
  Speaker 2: Because it's poisonous right now. Yeah.
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: I think it's a great way to say it, yeah,
• 30:02
  Speaker 1: that it's a pollutant, right? And people say, well, just
• 30:03
  Speaker 1: get off your phone. But our society has gotten to
• 30:06
  Speaker 1: the place where it is on our phone. We live
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: in an electronica society in a digital age. So it's, yeah,
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: if you have a neighbor next door who is a
• 30:15
  Speaker 1: company that's just like blowing like, you know, those smokestacks
• 30:19
  Speaker 1: that they never had any governors on and they were
• 30:22
  Speaker 1: just pouring horrible smoke into the air, those were held liable.
• 30:27
  Speaker 1: So it makes sense that these would be too. Um,
• 30:29
  Speaker 1: the case filed in Los Angeles, superior court, uh, involves
• 30:32
  Speaker 1: over 1600 plaintiffs, including families and school districts, suing meta YouTube, um,
• 30:38
  Speaker 1: which is tick tock and snap. Um, KGM claims features
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: like infinite scrolling notifications and beauty filters create addiction, exacerbating
• 30:47
  Speaker 1: body image, depression, and suicidal thoughts. Yeah. Um, some of
• 30:52
  Speaker 1: the key moments Zuckerberg denied meta aims to addict youth
• 30:55
  Speaker 1: stating his focuses on a sustainable community. where unhappy users
• 31:00
  Speaker 1: won't stay long-term. Grilled on underage users and AR beauty
• 31:06
  Speaker 1: filters despite internal concerns, he emphasized balancing free expression and well-being,
• 31:11
  Speaker 1: saying you don't really build social media apps unless you
• 31:13
  Speaker 1: care about people being able to express themselves. I don't
• 31:16
  Speaker 1: know if that's true anymore. You know?
• 31:19
  Speaker 2: You know what it feels like is in physics, there's
• 31:22
  Speaker 2: this idea like a phase transition. So when water is
• 31:26
  Speaker 2: at 99 degrees Celsius, it's a solid. when it's 101,
• 31:30
  Speaker 2: it's a vapor. So just a very small change. It's
• 31:35
  Speaker 2: not gradual.
• 31:36
  Speaker 1: It just snaps.
• 31:36
  Speaker 2: That's a phase transition. It feels to me like social
• 31:39
  Speaker 2: media is heading towards a phase transition where there's like
• 31:43
  Speaker 2: all this built up, all these built up problems that
• 31:47
  Speaker 2: are over, like about to go from 99 C to
• 31:49
  Speaker 2: 101 C and it just snaps. And society is like,
• 31:53
  Speaker 2: we can't. We can't do it anymore. Like it's too much.
• 31:55
  Speaker 2: Like we're all fucking broken from this thing. It's got
• 31:59
  Speaker 2: to stop. And like, I don't think these things are
• 32:02
  Speaker 2: cool because they don't happen gradually. It's just suddenly overnight.
• 32:05
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 32:05
  Speaker 2: So I would love that if like somehow there was
• 32:08
  Speaker 2: a snap and we could all get back our sanity.
• 32:11
  Speaker 1: Right. Like with Ugg boots, like when people were like, oh,
• 32:13
  Speaker 1: these are great. And Tom Brady was wearing them. Then
• 32:14
  Speaker 1: one day people were like. Done. Yeah. Yeah. The shit's weird. Yeah.
• 32:18
  Speaker 2: People will be so relieved to not feel like, cause
• 32:21
  Speaker 2: right now.
• 32:22
  Speaker 1: Oh dude, if they came out with a rule right
• 32:24
  Speaker 1: now and said on your phones won't even work on
• 32:27
  Speaker 1: Saturday and Sunday, I think the entire world would exhale.
• 32:31
  Speaker 2: Oh, a hundred percent. That's also true. Like on like
• 32:34
  Speaker 2: grind culture where the expectation is you have to work.
• 32:37
  Speaker 2: 20 hours a day. Get up and fucking grind. It's
• 32:41
  Speaker 2: like in this expectation, your eyes open.
• 32:43
  Speaker 1: I know. Keep looking at invoices.
• 32:45
  Speaker 2: It's like, we're like driving ourselves insane as a species
• 32:48
  Speaker 2: is like, we're losing our shit. And like, it's, it's
• 32:51
  Speaker 2: right there in front of us. And it's all these expectations.
• 32:53
  Speaker 2: And if it would be, it would be amazing.
• 32:55
  Speaker 1: I love that. Like the phones don't work. It's like,
• 32:56
  Speaker 1: God damn, let's, let's go celebrate. I think, and I
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: think people would, they don't even work good. Fuck them.
• 33:03
  Speaker 1: I think one day if people take over a business
• 33:05
  Speaker 1: or like people like storm the Capitol, dude, storm T-Mobile,
• 33:10
  Speaker 1: storm these towers and just bring them down. Free us
• 33:13
  Speaker 1: from what this, it's digital chains where we're locked, you know?
• 33:18
  Speaker 2: You know, when it's people, when people are not with
• 33:22
  Speaker 2: the tribe, they experience it as physical death because we
• 33:26
  Speaker 2: are evolved to live in a group of 150 people
• 33:30
  Speaker 2: or less to be seen by the tribe. And when
• 33:33
  Speaker 2: you're on social media, if you're not posting on social media,
• 33:36
  Speaker 2: you're not seen by the tribe. So it feels literally
• 33:39
  Speaker 2: like death. That's why you can't just say like, don't
• 33:41
  Speaker 2: be on your phone. Cause you're like, your body's like,
• 33:43
  Speaker 2: am I dead to the tribe? Right.
• 33:45
  Speaker 1: Do I even exist? Yeah. You feel like that. I'll
• 33:47
  Speaker 1: take a couple months off. Will people know, do I exist?
• 33:49
  Speaker 1: What's even going on?
• 33:51
  Speaker 2: So therefore you're forced into this performative existence of like,
• 33:53
  Speaker 2: Hey guys, I exist. Remember me? Like, let me over here. Like,
• 33:56
  Speaker 2: remember I'm part of the tribe. So it's just, it's
• 33:59
  Speaker 2: such a violent and abusive relationship of this game that
• 34:02
  Speaker 2: no one wants to play. I mean, like it is fun.
• 34:04
  Speaker 2: Like there's value to it. There's good information. Like there's,
• 34:07
  Speaker 2: I don't want to say there's not virtues to it,
• 34:09
  Speaker 2: but the way it's structured now, it's just like a,
• 34:11
  Speaker 2: a loss for society overall.
• 34:14
  Speaker 1: Yeah, dude. Well, there's just things that you would miss, bro.
• 34:17
  Speaker 1: Sitting there at home wondering if a chick thought about
• 34:20
  Speaker 1: you or not. Yeah. Bro. And here's the thing. Now
• 34:25
  Speaker 1: you can just find out immediately she's liking some other dude.
• 34:27
  Speaker 1: You see that she's already married or whatever. But back
• 34:30
  Speaker 1: in the day, you couldn't do that. And you thought
• 34:32
  Speaker 1: that she did. So you were hopeful and excited. You
• 34:36
  Speaker 1: would take care of yourself until the next time you
• 34:38
  Speaker 1: saw her. But now you'll just go see somebody like, oh,
• 34:40
  Speaker 1: she's out with Rick or whatever. So now I'm depressed.
• 34:44
  Speaker 1: Now I'm at home. Now I'm not even going to
• 34:45
  Speaker 1: get out of bed. You know, I think just those things.
• 34:49
  Speaker 1: And then also, like, the negative effects of just, like,
• 34:54
  Speaker 1: if you communicate with all types of people all day,
• 34:56
  Speaker 1: then when you finally see, like, your spouse or your
• 34:59
  Speaker 1: partner at the end of the day, you're kind of
• 35:01
  Speaker 1: burnt out sometimes, you know? You're burnt out because you've
• 35:03
  Speaker 1: had all this odd connection that's not real connection, but
• 35:07
  Speaker 1: it's a– Some artificial connection. It's like if you've been
• 35:11
  Speaker 1: eating Fritos all day. And then you get to dinner,
• 35:14
  Speaker 1: you're like, oh. Yeah, yeah. This looks so good, but
• 35:19
  Speaker 1: I can't even have any right now. I'm already full
• 35:21
  Speaker 1: of shit.
• 35:22
  Speaker 2: So with this project, we have been. With what project?
• 35:26
  Speaker 2: My project, Don't Die.
• 35:27
  Speaker 1: Oh, your project, Don't Die. Yeah.
• 35:28
  Speaker 2: So basically, the idea is that if we are the
• 35:31
  Speaker 2: first generation who won't die, then the goal is identify
• 35:35
  Speaker 2: things that make you die. And then don't do those things.
• 35:38
  Speaker 2: Try to eliminate them. So what you're talking about, at
• 35:40
  Speaker 2: the end of the day, when you're like, I don't
• 35:42
  Speaker 2: know what it is, but I just feel like shit.
• 35:45
  Speaker 2: So it's basically, it's the stacking of all these things
• 35:48
  Speaker 2: that make you die. For example, did you know this,
• 35:50
  Speaker 2: that when you walk into a fast food place like McDonald's,
• 35:55
  Speaker 2: you have the smell, right, when you walk in? That
• 35:59
  Speaker 2: is like secondhand smoke. It's the aerosolized oils.
• 36:04
  Speaker 1: Yeah. That's Ronald McDonald's cologne. It is his cologne. That
• 36:08
  Speaker 1: shit is wild. You know what?
• 36:10
  Speaker 2: That's creepy as fuck.
• 36:11
  Speaker 1: Wow. Very creepy because he's got that play place in
• 36:13
  Speaker 1: the back.
• 36:14
  Speaker 2: Oh, my God. That is dystopic.
• 36:17
  Speaker 1: Holy shit.
• 36:17
  Speaker 2: I didn't think about that.
• 36:18
  Speaker 1: It is, huh?
• 36:19
  Speaker 2: So that is one example. So we track 250 things
• 36:24
  Speaker 2: in our society that make me die. And so when
• 36:27
  Speaker 2: you go about your day- With this project, don't die. Exactly.
• 36:29
  Speaker 1: So you guys track 250 things that make you die. Yeah.
• 36:32
  Speaker 2: So basically when I started doing this, we said, okay, like,
• 36:34
  Speaker 2: are we the first generation who won't die?
• 36:36
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 36:36
  Speaker 2: Let's take that as a premise. So then I hired
• 36:38
  Speaker 2: a team of doctors and we got to work. And
• 36:41
  Speaker 2: so we went through all the scientific evidence. We said like,
• 36:45
  Speaker 2: what does the scientific evidence say about longevity and things
• 36:48
  Speaker 2: that make you die? And then I measured every organ
• 36:51
  Speaker 2: of my body that I could. Like we would go
• 36:53
  Speaker 2: through and say, what is the age? So I was
• 36:55
  Speaker 2: 42 years old when we started. So I said like,
• 36:58
  Speaker 2: what is the biological age of my heart? Because your
• 37:00
  Speaker 2: biological age can be different than your chronological age. So
• 37:03
  Speaker 2: for example, like my ear, my left ear is age 64.
• 37:06
  Speaker 2: So I shot a lot of guns as a kid,
• 37:09
  Speaker 2: listened to loud music. So it's impaired. So we measured
• 37:13
  Speaker 2: all of my organs and said like, here's my baseline.
• 37:15
  Speaker 2: And then we got to work, like doing therapies and measurements.
• 37:19
  Speaker 2: And so I became those measured person in human history.
• 37:21
  Speaker 2: There's more data on my body than any humans ever lived.
• 37:24
  Speaker 2: And so in doing that, we just found out like
• 37:26
  Speaker 2: what kills the body, you know, like do microplastics harm
• 37:30
  Speaker 2: the body? If so, how, you know, uh, do does
• 37:33
  Speaker 2: going into fast food, like aerosolized does that, um, like
• 37:37
  Speaker 2: social media. And so when you really resonates, when you
• 37:41
  Speaker 2: say you go home, like you don't know why you
• 37:44
  Speaker 2: feel like shit. But after doing this for years, I
• 37:47
  Speaker 2: know why. It's like the stacking of all these things
• 37:50
  Speaker 2: that society has done to make a profit. And then
• 37:54
  Speaker 2: it's just like, you're the collateral damage. But it's like,
• 37:57
  Speaker 2: we've built a society of die. And that's what sucks
• 38:00
  Speaker 2: about it. So I never want to approach it to
• 38:02
  Speaker 2: say like, hey, you individual, like you get off your
• 38:04
  Speaker 2: phone or you stop doing these things. It's like the
• 38:06
  Speaker 2: system's broken. And that's what's cool about this moment is
• 38:09
  Speaker 2: if we do see this moment is like, this is
• 38:11
  Speaker 2: like 1870, bacteria- Do we believe this crazy idea or not?
• 38:17
  Speaker 2: Like this could be like, it would change everything. So
• 38:19
  Speaker 2: like we transform ourselves as a society.
• 38:23
  Speaker 1: I love that idea because yeah, when you put it
• 38:24
  Speaker 1: like that, it gives you more of a hope. It
• 38:26
  Speaker 1: gives it more of like a, um, This universal type
• 38:30
  Speaker 1: of thing that's going on. And I feel that. I
• 38:32
  Speaker 1: feel like there's a lot of people questioning everything right now. Like,
• 38:35
  Speaker 1: is this good for me? Why did I believe all
• 38:37
  Speaker 1: these companies? Why did I believe that the government and
• 38:39
  Speaker 1: the FDA and the EPA that they were looking out
• 38:42
  Speaker 1: for me? It's obvious now from so many trials and
• 38:47
  Speaker 1: corporate interests. that they weren't, you know, there's all these, there's,
• 38:50
  Speaker 1: there's all these things that, that, that none of that
• 38:52
  Speaker 1: was happening. And so now it's back on us. And
• 38:55
  Speaker 1: what do we really want? Right. Cause we'd put the faith.
• 38:57
  Speaker 1: I think a lot of people have put the faith
• 38:59
  Speaker 1: in the hands of their government and, um, not entirely,
• 39:03
  Speaker 1: but you would just assume that, oh yeah, the food
• 39:05
  Speaker 1: they're letting come into us into our lives where we
• 39:08
  Speaker 1: pay taxes to make sure there's an agency that overlooks this,
• 39:12
  Speaker 1: that it's going to be okay for us. And then
• 39:14
  Speaker 1: I think it's at the point now where people that,
• 39:15
  Speaker 1: that idea is totally spoiled. So where do we go
• 39:19
  Speaker 1: from here? Are those powers going to try to like
• 39:21
  Speaker 1: imprison us into this space? Which also feels like it's
• 39:24
  Speaker 1: going to, they're trying to. um, because you have like
• 39:28
  Speaker 1: companies like bear and Monsanto, they're lobbying, you know, like
• 39:31
  Speaker 1: trying to keep all these things in our food and,
• 39:34
  Speaker 1: and make sure that people can't sue if they do
• 39:36
  Speaker 1: get sick. Or is it going to be that there's
• 39:38
  Speaker 1: some sort of a, of a revolution? Yep. Um, so
• 39:41
  Speaker 1: I saw you just, you just asked Trevor to pour, um,
• 39:43
  Speaker 1: your coffee into, and that was out of a paper
• 39:46
  Speaker 1: cup into a, yeah.
• 39:49
  Speaker 2: Uh, Stainless steel? Stainless steel, yeah.
• 39:51
  Speaker 1: Okay. What is the cause of that? Because that's one
• 39:54
  Speaker 1: thing a lot of people were thinking of.
• 39:55
  Speaker 2: So there's been a lot of discussion around microplastics.
• 39:59
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 40:00
  Speaker 2: They're everywhere. They're in our clothes.
• 40:01
  Speaker 1: They're in our food.
• 40:02
  Speaker 2: So we did this project where we said, okay, can
• 40:06
  Speaker 2: we measure microplastics in my body? And so we did
• 40:08
  Speaker 2: a few things. One is we measured microplastics in my blood,
• 40:13
  Speaker 2: and we measured microplastics in my semen.
• 40:16
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 40:16
  Speaker 2: And so two distinct biological systems. And we wanted to
• 40:21
  Speaker 2: look at semen because fertility is really important. There was
• 40:25
  Speaker 2: a few studies that showed that 100% of tested males
• 40:32
  Speaker 2: have microplastics in their balls and their semen. And so
• 40:38
  Speaker 2: we wanted to basically pose this question, could we do
• 40:41
  Speaker 2: anything in life that would lower my microplastic burden in
• 40:44
  Speaker 2: my body, in my blood, and on my semen? And
• 40:46
  Speaker 2: so we did a few things. One is the cups
• 40:50
  Speaker 2: they use for hot coffee, they leach microplastics. The heat
• 40:55
  Speaker 2: causes the leaching of microplastics. So when you're drinking that coffee,
• 40:58
  Speaker 2: you're consuming microplastics. And so we did that plus a
• 41:01
  Speaker 2: whole bunch of other things to reduce it. And we
• 41:03
  Speaker 2: dropped my microplastic burden by 87% in both blood and semen.
• 41:09
  Speaker 2: And so that was a big win for us because
• 41:10
  Speaker 2: no one in the world had ever demonstrated that, that
• 41:13
  Speaker 2: you can look at both those things and look at
• 41:14
  Speaker 2: the remediations. And the second thing we saw is we
• 41:17
  Speaker 2: think that part of the reduction was from the things
• 41:20
  Speaker 2: we did like removing plastic cups, plastic cutting boards, like
• 41:24
  Speaker 2: trying to remove plastic from the house, then also dry sauna.
• 41:28
  Speaker 2: We think dry sauna was potentially, we're not sure, potentially
• 41:31
  Speaker 2: the cause of reducing microplastics in the body overall. So
• 41:34
  Speaker 2: it's kind of the example of where if you hear
• 41:37
  Speaker 2: a headline of like toxin, like microplastic is scary, we
• 41:41
  Speaker 2: try to lay out a clear path of like, you
• 41:44
  Speaker 2: can do these things to reduce your exposure and to
• 41:47
  Speaker 2: bring your levels down. So we do that systematically over
• 41:49
  Speaker 2: like a whole bunch of things. But yeah, that's why
• 41:51
  Speaker 2: I basically try to avoid any material that would be
• 41:55
  Speaker 2: warmed and leach microplastics, whereas stainless steel, you don't have
• 41:58
  Speaker 2: that leaching problem.
• 41:59
  Speaker 1: Got it. And what about using just our microwaves and
• 42:02
  Speaker 1: stuff like that? Are there microplastics in there? I hear
• 42:05
  Speaker 1: recently that there's microplastics in our air fryers and stuff
• 42:08
  Speaker 1: like that. Is that stuff true or is that just a,
• 42:10
  Speaker 1: a sales pitch for them to get you to get
• 42:12
  Speaker 1: a new air fryer.
• 42:13
  Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean, if your air fryer, I was looking
• 42:15
  Speaker 2: into air fryer recently. I think a lot of them
• 42:17
  Speaker 2: are made with plastic. And so you're, you're heating these
• 42:20
  Speaker 2: materials to certain degrees where you're inevitably going to have
• 42:24
  Speaker 2: off gassing of microplastics. So I know this is the
• 42:27
  Speaker 2: thing is like, once you start, once you realize that
• 42:30
  Speaker 2: plastic is a target, you realize you come to learn
• 42:34
  Speaker 2: it's in everything. Not like everywhere you look. So even now,
• 42:38
  Speaker 2: like after I've tried to purge my life from plastic,
• 42:41
  Speaker 2: I will still like, here's an example. I was doing
• 42:43
  Speaker 2: sauna to try to rid my body of toxins, including microplastics.
• 42:48
  Speaker 2: I mistakenly used a towel that was 10% polyester and
• 42:53
  Speaker 2: 90% cotton. So there I am trying to rid myself
• 42:56
  Speaker 2: of toxins and I'm using it on my body, right?
• 43:02
  Speaker 2: Like wiping my body with toxins. So like, you know,
• 43:04
  Speaker 2: like that was an idiotic mistake, but like, an example,
• 43:08
  Speaker 2: like we're always, we're just finding this forever. So we
• 43:10
  Speaker 2: got rid of all the, I thought that was a
• 43:12
  Speaker 2: cotton towel. It wasn't, but we got rid of that,
• 43:14
  Speaker 2: but it's just forever. It's, it's amazing how omnipresent they are. Yeah.
• 43:17
  Speaker 1: I've actually been working with this company, American giant that
• 43:19
  Speaker 1: they make. Um, they've tried to use just American cotton
• 43:23
  Speaker 1: and make their products just in America. Like that's, I mean, just, uh,
• 43:27
  Speaker 1: top to bottom, uh, America only company that makes textiles
• 43:33
  Speaker 1: or clothing because they don't really even have those anymore.
• 43:36
  Speaker 1: I remember their journey was how do we even get
• 43:39
  Speaker 1: a shirt made here? And it was seemingly impossible just
• 43:41
  Speaker 1: because we don't have the looms or so many things
• 43:43
  Speaker 1: we don't have. Um, But we've been working on a cotton,
• 43:46
  Speaker 1: like a cotton only underwear that would be just so
• 43:50
  Speaker 1: it's only cotton, right? So you're not dealing with anything else.
• 43:53
  Speaker 1: That's awesome. What fabrics have you found that are okay
• 43:55
  Speaker 1: to kind of keep on your body that do not
• 43:58
  Speaker 1: have microplastics in them? And which ones are the ones
• 43:59
  Speaker 1: that people need to be weary of?
• 44:01
  Speaker 2: Yeah, there's a list. So, I mean, one is on
• 44:03
  Speaker 2: the cotton stuff is we were, everything I put into
• 44:06
  Speaker 2: my body, we test. Like all the food I eat.
• 44:09
  Speaker 2: So we were testing clothing and actually we tested a diaper.
• 44:15
  Speaker 2: a diaper where the portion of the diaper that absorbs
• 44:18
  Speaker 2: the urine for the baby, we tested that and it
• 44:21
  Speaker 2: was like eight times as high in glyphosate. So, so,
• 44:26
  Speaker 2: so cotton unexpectedly.
• 44:28
  Speaker 1: That's what's in the pesticides. Exactly.
• 44:30
  Speaker 2: So, so cotton is, is better than like a polyester,
• 44:33
  Speaker 2: but cotton is also not like, it's not just pure, right?
• 44:37
  Speaker 2: So there could be residual pesticides in your cotton. Like
• 44:41
  Speaker 2: how fast does it come out? We don't know, but
• 44:43
  Speaker 2: this is like, I, this is like dangerous. Cause I
• 44:46
  Speaker 2: think a lot of people listening to kind of like,
• 44:47
  Speaker 2: Oh my God, I give up. Like, what do I do?
• 44:50
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 44:51
  Speaker 2: But like, I, I want to give you hope that you,
• 44:53
  Speaker 2: you just slowly peel back one layer after another, after another,
• 44:58
  Speaker 2: like chip away. It's okay. We'll get after, we'll get
• 45:00
  Speaker 2: on top of this, but just like, you just know
• 45:02
  Speaker 2: that there's always these layers. So yeah. So we tested that.
• 45:06
  Speaker 2: So that's in the diaper. Now there's no evidence that
• 45:08
  Speaker 2: glyphosate can go from a diaper into the skin. No
• 45:11
  Speaker 2: one's tested it. So maybe it is, But if it is,
• 45:13
  Speaker 2: that's terrible. We're bathing our children. We're bathing their private
• 45:18
  Speaker 2: parts in pesticides in these diapers. And so this is
• 45:22
  Speaker 2: the kind of thing where I'm saying once you start
• 45:24
  Speaker 2: chasing these paths, you just find out society has built
• 45:28
  Speaker 2: itself for profit. They've not built itself for life. And
• 45:33
  Speaker 2: that's what you see everywhere. And so back to this conversation,
• 45:37
  Speaker 2: the point you made before, this idea of care. Think
• 45:39
  Speaker 2: of Okay, here's a question for you. Who in your
• 45:44
  Speaker 2: life unquestionably acts in your best interest? Like without a doubt,
• 45:51
  Speaker 2: they act in your best interest.
• 45:52
  Speaker 1: Probably my brother.
• 45:54
  Speaker 2: Like you can probably count on one hand, right?
• 45:56
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 45:57
  Speaker 2: Everyone else, like whether it's like a social group or
• 46:00
  Speaker 2: whether it's companies or the government or whatever, everybody else
• 46:04
  Speaker 2: shows up with a complicated set of objectives. Part of
• 46:09
  Speaker 2: it may be like, It's not good, but the whole
• 46:12
  Speaker 2: bunch of other, the rapper behind it may be like,
• 46:14
  Speaker 2: they want something from you. And so there's this idea
• 46:17
  Speaker 2: of care that I'm trying to pioneer with the company
• 46:19
  Speaker 2: I'm building around this is can we legitimately unquestionably always
• 46:24
  Speaker 2: act in our customer's best interest? Even if it means
• 46:27
  Speaker 2: we lose money, we always show up for you because
• 46:30
  Speaker 2: that's really like what I've been trying to do in
• 46:32
  Speaker 2: this whole process. But it just shows that as a society,
• 46:36
  Speaker 2: we don't have care as a principle. is our society.
• 46:40
  Speaker 2: Like you're not expected to actually act in someone's best interest.
• 46:43
  Speaker 2: You're expected to have a better exchange to make profit. Well,
• 46:45
  Speaker 2: sometimes I'll romanticize, well, it probably used to be that way.
• 46:48
  Speaker 2: And I don't know if that's true or not, but
• 46:51
  Speaker 2: the fact that we're at that place now, I think
• 46:53
  Speaker 2: is important. Um, we did this thing this year around
• 46:57
  Speaker 2: the holidays where we've tried to find 10, uh, American
• 47:00
  Speaker 2: companies that were like American made products and, uh, and
• 47:03
  Speaker 2: then show those off, like highlight those.
• 47:05
  Speaker 1: It was me and Mike Rowe, um, And it was
• 47:08
  Speaker 1: just so you, if you want to buy something that's American,
• 47:10
  Speaker 1: you can get it. He, you know, this is something
• 47:12
  Speaker 1: that when you buy it, you're supporting a fellow American.
• 47:15
  Speaker 1: So it's like, screw these big company. Like if I
• 47:19
  Speaker 1: buy from you and you buy from me, then we
• 47:21
  Speaker 1: keep each other alive. We were, it only, you know,
• 47:24
  Speaker 1: so we're trying to start to create this, um, this
• 47:27
  Speaker 1: space where you can do that, where it's like, uh,
• 47:30
  Speaker 1: if I want to buy something, I'd rather, instead of
• 47:32
  Speaker 1: going to look at like these things that are, the
• 47:35
  Speaker 1: same shelves in every single place. Why don't I go
• 47:37
  Speaker 1: find this unique thing that's only made by one of
• 47:40
  Speaker 1: my fellow human beings, you know?
• 47:41
  Speaker 2: That's a cool idea.
• 47:43
  Speaker 1: It's one of the things that's kind of made me
• 47:44
  Speaker 1: most excited recently, like in the world. Um, and we're
• 47:48
  Speaker 1: trying to work with like Shopify or something, you know,
• 47:50
  Speaker 1: some company to come along and be like, well, these
• 47:52
  Speaker 1: are the sites, you know, people are going to need
• 47:54
  Speaker 1: these sites to build their products because then it's like,
• 47:57
  Speaker 1: like we even had, um, a woman who sells like
• 48:00
  Speaker 1: these really like great little characters and, and, and kind
• 48:03
  Speaker 1: of ornaments and stuff. So we had some artists and
• 48:05
  Speaker 1: creatives in there, but it was great. And, um, and
• 48:08
  Speaker 1: a lot of them had great profits. It was like, oh,
• 48:10
  Speaker 1: people want this, right? Um, people want to go down
• 48:13
  Speaker 1: the road where there is like some accountability for themselves
• 48:17
  Speaker 1: and they want to be in a way where they can, uh,
• 48:20
  Speaker 1: where they, the purchase that where they're putting their money.
• 48:22
  Speaker 1: It feels like I'm giving this to someone else who
• 48:27
  Speaker 1: I know probably needs it just as much as I do.
• 48:29
  Speaker 1: You know, they're just a regular person. They're not a
• 48:31
  Speaker 1: big entity, you know? So I think, anyway, I'm saying,
• 48:33
  Speaker 1: I think there's somewhat of a, people do care or we,
• 48:38
  Speaker 1: to get people to care where they're spending, you know, um,
• 48:41
  Speaker 1: that's kind of stuff is very important. What, what are
• 48:44
  Speaker 1: your thoughts on RFK juniors? His eat real food initiative.
• 48:47
  Speaker 1: Have you seen that?
• 48:47
  Speaker 2: I have.
• 48:48
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 48:48
  Speaker 2: Tyson being this spokesperson.
• 48:50
  Speaker 1: What's that?
• 48:50
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Mike Tyson was the spokesperson. He was in the
• 48:53
  Speaker 2: Super Bowl ad.
• 48:54
  Speaker 1: Oh, I didn't even see that. Yeah, yeah. Because he
• 48:57
  Speaker 1: came on here and he talked about it. He just said,
• 48:58
  Speaker 1: eat real food, you know?
• 49:00
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah. Yeah, I think it's great. I mean, I think,
• 49:02
  Speaker 2: so RFK's a friend. Yeah, same. Yeah, he's getting after it.
• 49:06
  Speaker 2: You know, like, in any situation, people are going to
• 49:09
  Speaker 2: have various opinions, fine. But, like, he's really trying his best.
• 49:12
  Speaker 2: I respect that he's pulling up and he's made some great, uh,
• 49:16
  Speaker 2: he has some great wins getting rid of, uh, food dyes.
• 49:20
  Speaker 2: And so, yeah, I mean, I I'm, I'm grateful for
• 49:22
  Speaker 2: him doing it. And it was cool. You know, like
• 49:24
  Speaker 2: Mike Tyson is probably the person that has been in
• 49:27
  Speaker 2: my consciousness more than any public figure. When I was,
• 49:30
  Speaker 2: when I was seven years old, he had P I
• 49:33
  Speaker 2: think he was 21. He just won the belt. And
• 49:37
  Speaker 2: he was on the cover of Sports Illustrated like every week.
• 49:40
  Speaker 2: That's right. I would cut those out and I had
• 49:43
  Speaker 2: it on my wall. Tyson was my idol. Actually, this
• 49:48
  Speaker 2: is like a terrible story. I loved him so much
• 49:51
  Speaker 2: and I saved up all, I worked all summer long
• 49:54
  Speaker 2: mowing lawns and like doing a whole bunch of shit.
• 49:57
  Speaker 2: I saved up money and I bought the pay-per-view. It
• 49:59
  Speaker 2: was like $ 44.
• 50:01
  Speaker 1: 95.
• 50:01
  Speaker 2: I called my friends over. I'm going to treat them
• 50:04
  Speaker 2: to this amazing experience and he was fighting Buster Douglas,
• 50:09
  Speaker 2: his first big loss. And oh my God, that was,
• 50:13
  Speaker 2: that was like soul wrenching because I wanted to see Tyson, like,
• 50:17
  Speaker 2: you know, knock out of the park. I'd never seen
• 50:18
  Speaker 2: him fight live and you couldn't just like pull them
• 50:20
  Speaker 2: up on clips on YouTube. Like it's, you know, harder
• 50:22
  Speaker 2: to see, but anyway, somebody like tangent there, but it's
• 50:26
  Speaker 2: cool to see Tyson go from that to now he's
• 50:30
  Speaker 2: like in my world talking about real food and how
• 50:32
  Speaker 2: it's important. So I think he's got, he's had a
• 50:35
  Speaker 2: cool life arc.
• 50:36
  Speaker 1: He has had a great life arc. I mean, he's
• 50:37
  Speaker 1: pretty fascinating. We're supposed to do a podcast with him
• 50:39
  Speaker 1: coming up soon, actually. In LA, actually. So if I
• 50:42
  Speaker 1: do do that, man, I'll have to make sure that
• 50:44
  Speaker 1: you get to come over there.
• 50:45
  Speaker 2: Would love to. I would love to meet him.
• 50:47
  Speaker 1: That'd be super, dude.
• 50:48
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 50:49
  Speaker 1: Oh, yeah. He was like, you know, boxers were such, like,
• 50:54
  Speaker 1: I don't know if, like, they were such gods.
• 50:59
  Speaker 2: They held that status, right?
• 51:00
  Speaker 1: They did.
• 51:01
  Speaker 2: In the 80s, they were it. Like, you had, like, Basketball,
• 51:05
  Speaker 2: you have the Bulls, you've got the Bears, you know,
• 51:09
  Speaker 2: Bo Jackson, like they were it.
• 51:11
  Speaker 1: Yeah, 100%. What do you think the government's role should
• 51:15
  Speaker 1: be in our health and diet?
• 51:19
  Speaker 2: I guess like two things. One is there are a
• 51:23
  Speaker 2: lot of things I want to do that I can't
• 51:26
  Speaker 2: do because the government prevents me from doing it. So
• 51:29
  Speaker 2: I can go out and smoke. I can eat fast food.
• 51:32
  Speaker 2: I can eat all the junk food out there. but
• 51:35
  Speaker 2: I can't try a new longevity drug. The companies are
• 51:39
  Speaker 2: forbidden from allowing me through that. So like in many ways, I,
• 51:43
  Speaker 2: I dislike, uh, they give me the freedom to kill myself,
• 51:48
  Speaker 2: but I can't have the, I don't have the right
• 51:49
  Speaker 2: to experiment on myself. And I wish I had more
• 51:52
  Speaker 2: experimental power that.
• 51:54
  Speaker 1: I could do that. Have there been a certain drugs
• 51:56
  Speaker 1: and stuff that you wanted to go try or a
• 51:57
  Speaker 1: lot of them?
• 51:58
  Speaker 2: Really?
• 51:58
  Speaker 1: Yeah. What's one that really kind of, you know, tickles
• 52:01
  Speaker 1: your Benjamin butt.
• 52:03
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's good. I mean, there's a whole bunch of,
• 52:06
  Speaker 2: there's like probably a dozen. And like, the thing I
• 52:12
  Speaker 2: want to do is I want to accept the responsibility
• 52:16
  Speaker 2: of determining if it's safe or not. Now, if I
• 52:18
  Speaker 2: mess up, it's on me. Like, I'll take that responsibility,
• 52:21
  Speaker 2: but I do, I don't want them to say like,
• 52:23
  Speaker 2: only after, because then it creates this gigantic, it makes sense.
• 52:27
  Speaker 2: Companies go through like a structured process And they say,
• 52:31
  Speaker 2: it's gone through this process. We give it a stamp
• 52:33
  Speaker 2: of approval. It's like, it's a good idea. Like on
• 52:35
  Speaker 2: large scale vaccines, like you don't want to ship a
• 52:38
  Speaker 2: shitty vaccine to society. Totally get it. Um, also right
• 52:42
  Speaker 2: on like a N equals one, like me scale, I
• 52:45
  Speaker 2: want to do things without their limiting my ability to
• 52:48
  Speaker 2: do it. So it's a really tricky balance because there,
• 52:51
  Speaker 2: there needs to be some structure in place where as
• 52:55
  Speaker 2: a member of the society, I can say, I trust
• 52:58
  Speaker 2: some entity. to ensure what I'm doing is safe because
• 53:01
  Speaker 2: we're saying the company itself can't be trusted, right? Like
• 53:05
  Speaker 2: there needs to be like some, right.
• 53:06
  Speaker 1: Some middleman. Yeah.
• 53:07
  Speaker 2: Like that's the idea.
• 53:08
  Speaker 1: But now the middleman, it feels like can't be trusted.
• 53:10
  Speaker 2: Exactly. So like what, if we just like take this
• 53:12
  Speaker 2: little wholesale, what we're going back to is care, right? Like,
• 53:16
  Speaker 2: do I trust that whoever is doing something is legitimately
• 53:21
  Speaker 2: looking after my best interest or not? And this is
• 53:22
  Speaker 2: why I'm saying, when you go back to like who
• 53:24
  Speaker 2: legitimately is looking after your best interest, it's not like
• 53:26
  Speaker 2: one hand, it's your brother. Yeah. And so what if
• 53:29
  Speaker 2: we established as a society the principle of care? And
• 53:33
  Speaker 2: now that's hard because you have to do things that
• 53:35
  Speaker 2: are not in your best financial interest. You've got to
• 53:37
  Speaker 2: do things that don't look good. So it really puts
• 53:40
  Speaker 2: a different mentality, but also, man, would it be kick-ass
• 53:43
  Speaker 2: to live in that society. You know, if you're going
• 53:45
  Speaker 2: to tell me to take a drug, you're not hiding shit.
• 53:47
  Speaker 2: So that'd be cool.
• 53:50
  Speaker 1: Oh, yeah. It'd be so nice. Because imagine also the
• 53:53
  Speaker 1: stress that it adds to all of us. You know,
• 53:55
  Speaker 1: it's so stressful now. It's like, You go eat a
• 53:57
  Speaker 1: hot cake or whatever, and you're like, is this thing
• 53:59
  Speaker 1: going to kill me? Not today, but is there something
• 54:02
  Speaker 1: in here that they're strategizing to kill me 30 years
• 54:05
  Speaker 1: from now, you know, to create some new disease in
• 54:08
  Speaker 1: me that then I'll need some new type of medicine?
• 54:10
  Speaker 1: You know, it's just kind of, yeah, it's a lot
• 54:13
  Speaker 1: of turmoil. What is your kind of daily dietary strategy?
• 54:18
  Speaker 1: Where do you stand with your diet? Yeah. And then
• 54:20
  Speaker 1: we'll talk about like supplements that you like. Cool.
• 54:23
  Speaker 2: Yet the principle here is that I am a collection
• 54:25
  Speaker 2: of around 70 trillion cells. Like Brian Johnson is 70
• 54:29
  Speaker 2: trillion cells. Half, like over half of those cells are
• 54:32
  Speaker 2: alien cells. They're not even me. They're just bacteria. So
• 54:34
  Speaker 2: I'm like around 30, 35 trillion cells.
• 54:36
  Speaker 1: Is that true? Yeah. Yeah.
• 54:38
  Speaker 2: You, you are a collection of like 70 trillion cells.
• 54:41
  Speaker 2: That makes the Yvonne.
• 54:42
  Speaker 1: Okay. And half of those cells are not. They're not you.
• 54:45
  Speaker 1: They're not natural born citizens.
• 54:47
  Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly. Yeah. They're immigrants. Yeah. So like they're bacteria
• 54:50
  Speaker 2: and others that are hanging out. in your ecosystem. And
• 54:54
  Speaker 2: so the question is, like, you know, when it comes
• 54:56
  Speaker 2: to food, food is just a collection of molecules. So
• 55:00
  Speaker 2: you're taking one set of molecules, and you put them
• 55:02
  Speaker 2: in your molecules, and you say, like, what happens? And
• 55:05
  Speaker 2: so we know, for example, when you take fast food,
• 55:09
  Speaker 2: those molecules put in your body, it does bad stuff.
• 55:11
  Speaker 2: And so with diet, we basically just say, if you
• 55:14
  Speaker 2: have to create a list of the very best molecules
• 55:17
  Speaker 2: in existence, that help the body thrive, what are those molecules?
• 55:21
  Speaker 2: So every calorie has a fight for its life. And
• 55:23
  Speaker 2: so that's the first principle. And then two is I
• 55:26
  Speaker 2: don't subscribe to any camp. Like I'm not carnivore. I'm
• 55:31
  Speaker 2: not vegan. I'm not vegetarian. I'm not paleo. I'm not keto.
• 55:34
  Speaker 1: I don't care.
• 55:36
  Speaker 2: I just want to look at the evidence and say,
• 55:37
  Speaker 2: you take a given thing, you put it in the body,
• 55:39
  Speaker 2: what happens? And so my diet primarily consists of a
• 55:42
  Speaker 2: whole bunch of vegetables. I do berries, nuts, seeds, extra
• 55:46
  Speaker 2: virgin olive oil, Um, that's primarily what I eat. And
• 55:48
  Speaker 2: so I'm just, I'm extremely meticulous because I'm trying to
• 55:51
  Speaker 2: become the most don't die person in the world. So,
• 55:54
  Speaker 2: but you know, if people enjoy eating meat, eat meat,
• 55:57
  Speaker 2: you know, like do your thing. If you enjoy eggs,
• 55:59
  Speaker 2: do eggs, um, just measure your body, like measure your
• 56:02
  Speaker 2: body and see if you're happy or not. If the
• 56:04
  Speaker 2: body is, so there's what your mind can say, like, oh,
• 56:07
  Speaker 2: I love blank, but measuring your body is a different thing.
• 56:10
  Speaker 2: Your body is going to tell, is going to speak
• 56:12
  Speaker 2: the truth, not your mind. So basically like you want
• 56:14
  Speaker 2: to measure out your body report out. how's inflammation, how's cholesterol,
• 56:18
  Speaker 2: like how's all the different markers.
• 56:20
  Speaker 1: So, and when it comes to meat and things like that,
• 56:22
  Speaker 1: are there just, you don't like them or you feel
• 56:24
  Speaker 1: like they don't work for your body? Was there something
• 56:27
  Speaker 1: that you found that you were like, this isn't the
• 56:28
  Speaker 1: best for me?
• 56:29
  Speaker 2: Um, so it's actually, I mean, one is, I think
• 56:32
  Speaker 2: there's two points. One is, I think you can make
• 56:35
  Speaker 2: an evidence-based argument that a, a diet that primarily consists of, um, vegetables, berries, nuts, seeds,
• 56:43
  Speaker 2: extra virgin olive oil, uh, legumes, um, is one of
• 56:48
  Speaker 2: the best paths to longevity. Not the only, but a
• 56:51
  Speaker 2: good one. And then on the red meat, there's not
• 56:55
  Speaker 2: a ton of evidence that, a ton of longevity evidence
• 57:00
  Speaker 2: that says this thing is a longevity producer. But I
• 57:05
  Speaker 2: pull myself out of the argument because I don't care
• 57:07
  Speaker 2: about red meat. I don't care about the argument. I
• 57:08
  Speaker 2: don't care about the disagreement. If somebody wants to eat
• 57:11
  Speaker 2: red meat, I support you in eating red meat. I'm
• 57:14
  Speaker 2: not going to go after red meat. I'm not that person.
• 57:17
  Speaker 1: I'll pat you on the back while you have some
• 57:19
  Speaker 1: burnt ends or whatever.
• 57:22
  Speaker 2: Do your thing and just measure your body. I try
• 57:24
  Speaker 2: to do that and I try to then share my
• 57:26
  Speaker 2: body biomarkers and say, here's what my body looks like.
• 57:29
  Speaker 2: Here's the evidence. If you want to try it out,
• 57:31
  Speaker 2: here you go.
• 57:31
  Speaker 1: A couple things.
• 57:32
  Speaker 2: One is I love extra virgin olive oil. I think
• 57:40
  Speaker 2: it's one of the best foods you.
• 57:41
  Speaker 1: Can put into your body. Is that a seed oil
• 57:43
  Speaker 1: or not?
• 57:43
  Speaker 2: No.
• 57:44
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 57:44
  Speaker 2: Yeah, there's like this whole seed oils are bad for you.
• 57:48
  Speaker 1: I don't buy it. You don't?
• 57:50
  Speaker 2: No, I think it's fried. It's high temp seed oils. But,
• 57:55
  Speaker 2: you know, like cold pressed seed oils, you know, like
• 57:58
  Speaker 2: they're fine. So like that whole thing I think got away. Oh,
• 58:01
  Speaker 2: so you think the seed oil thing is kind of
• 58:02
  Speaker 2: out there?
• 58:03
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah.
• 58:04
  Speaker 2: You don't want to heat them. That's when they become dangerous.
• 58:06
  Speaker 2: But cold pressed seed oils... The evidence says they're fine.
• 58:10
  Speaker 2: But again, like if somebody wants to do it, great. Like,
• 58:13
  Speaker 2: you know, abstain or take it. Just measure yourself and
• 58:16
  Speaker 2: try to find the markers.
• 58:18
  Speaker 1: Right. Check in with yourself. Have some sort of like, okay,
• 58:20
  Speaker 1: how do I really feel after having this? Yeah.
• 58:22
  Speaker 2: And how does your body report out? Not your mind,
• 58:25
  Speaker 2: not your opinion, not what social media says. Ask your
• 58:28
  Speaker 2: body to report out with biomarkers. Get a blood draw.
• 58:30
  Speaker 2: Look at your markers and say, is the body happy
• 58:32
  Speaker 2: or sad? Right.
• 58:34
  Speaker 1: Not each time you eat, but you're saying over time.
• 58:36
  Speaker 2: Over time. Yeah, because those, like, your body reflects your
• 58:40
  Speaker 2: diets over a period of time. Yeah.
• 58:42
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 58:43
  Speaker 2: But, like, the easy ones, like, just avoid. There we go.
• 58:47
  Speaker 1: Yeah, this was just saying cooking oils. Not all cooking
• 58:49
  Speaker 1: oils are created equal. This chart breaks down the linoleic
• 58:53
  Speaker 1: acid content in different oils, helping you make informed choices
• 58:56
  Speaker 1: for heart health and inflammation control. High linoleic oils like soybeans, sunflower,
• 59:01
  Speaker 1: and corn oil can contribute to inflammation, while healthier options
• 59:05
  Speaker 1: like coconut, olive, and grass-fed butter offer beneficial fats. But
• 59:09
  Speaker 1: you don't buy into this.
• 59:11
  Speaker 2: I mean, so this is cooking. This is actually using
• 59:14
  Speaker 2: it for cooking. Yeah, what does well at higher heats?
• 59:17
  Speaker 1: This is kind of what you're saying, actually, that some
• 59:20
  Speaker 1: of these may provide less health benefit for you.
• 59:23
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but on this, though, like this graph, I want
• 59:26
  Speaker 2: to see the toxic compounds that are formed otherwise like
• 59:31
  Speaker 2: i don't know how to read this graph right.
• 59:34
  Speaker 1: Right and they'll show stuff like this i mean even
• 59:36
  Speaker 1: in trap me it just you know they use the
• 59:38
  Speaker 1: red yellow green yeah exactly there's a lot of small
• 59:40
  Speaker 1: strategies that can kind of like yeah.
• 59:42
  Speaker 2: I want to see i want to see what temperature
• 59:44
  Speaker 2: uh what are the toxic compounds i'm evaluating when do
• 59:47
  Speaker 2: they form like you know etc so that that is
• 59:50
  Speaker 2: like a that would be a much more quantified approach
• 59:52
  Speaker 2: where I'd say, all right, now I feel like I
• 59:53
  Speaker 2: have a good basis for decision-making versus like, this is
• 59:57
  Speaker 2: easy to read online. You see red, green, yellow. It's like, okay, good, bad.
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 2: Because anything more than good, bad, it kind of gets
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 2: overwhelming for people.
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 1: Yeah, for sure. Yeah, you say extra virgin olive oil.
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 1: That's sort of your go-to. Yeah.
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 2: Based upon the evidence my team and I have reviewed,
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 2: this is what I would suggest if people want quick takeaways.
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 2: One is I consume more extra virgin olive oil than
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 2: any food in my diet is 15% of my daily
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 2: caloric intake, but it's, we source it ourselves. We test
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 2: it in the lab ourselves. It's high polyphenol has the
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 2: right acids, right?
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 1: Right. Constitution.
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 2: So it's, it's a specific kind of olive oil. It's
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 2: not just because most olive oil is bullshit. Like most
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 2: of it does nothing. And most of it, a lot of, yeah,
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 2: you need a very, so whatever you buy, make sure
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 2: it has a third party lab test result. Now that's,
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 2: that's a lot.
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 1: Of like, But is there a brand that you tell us?
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 1: I mean, I know, or do you have this yourself
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 1: that we could buy? Do you have your own?
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 2: I do it myself because like going back to that
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 2: discussion of care and trust after playing this game for
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 2: five years, I don't trust anybody.
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 1: Yeah. No one.
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 2: Like I don't care what they say in marketing.
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 1: I don't care.
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 2: I just don't trust anyone.
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 1: That's how I am.
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 2: So like, yeah, I want to source it from the
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's kind of a troll.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: But yeah, it's basically, we source from both hemispheres, southern hemisphere,
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  Speaker 2: like lessens some of the oxidative damage. So that's olive
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  Speaker 2: oil is one. Two is I eat a lot of legumes,
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  Speaker 2: like lentils, edamames, beans, a lot of vegetables, but I
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  Speaker 2: steam them. So when you char something, whether it be
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  Speaker 2: charring vegetables or meat or something, it builds something called AGEs.
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  Speaker 1: AGEs?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, Advanced Glycated End Products. which is basically just thinking
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  Speaker 2: about like junk that builds up in your body.
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  Speaker 2: So I steam vegetables to lower the AGEs. And then
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  Speaker 1: I like walnuts. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Those are good ones. I don't eat cashews or peanuts.
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  Speaker 2: Those are like the less valuable ones. Those are drunkard's nuts.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I had a couple thoughts. You know, like, You know, Theo,
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• 1:05:46
  Speaker 2: about shit like you do. Like, I have several thoughts
• 1:05:49
  Speaker 2: I just had. I'd like to express them, but I don't.
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 2: You know, like, I still play within a certain box of, like,
• 1:05:54
  Speaker 2: what I can and cannot say, but.
• 1:05:56
  Speaker 1: And is it, do you think it's some of that's for, like,
• 1:05:57
  Speaker 1: business purposes, or you just think it's just, like, a
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 1: social way that you learned?
• 1:06:01
  Speaker 2: I mean, it's like, there, as, um, as weird as
• 1:06:05
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• 1:06:07
  Speaker 2: in doing crazy shit, there's still some things that I
• 1:06:11
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• 1:06:13
  Speaker 1: Mm-hmm.
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 2: And so I do have some parameters. But if I
• 1:06:19
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• 1:06:21
  Speaker 1: Really? Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Bro, that's cool.
• 1:06:25
  Speaker 2: Oh, man, it would be so much fun. Basically, you're
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 2: trying to put your finger on the thing.
• 1:06:32
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: And that's what I try to do in my life.
• 1:06:34
  Speaker 2: And so when people, their response, of course, is like
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 2: how good you are at putting your finger on the thing.
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 2: They already know.
• 1:06:41
  Speaker 1: Right, right.
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  Speaker 2: But you're willing to say it and you can string
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 2: it together.
• 1:06:44
  Speaker 1: So yeah. But you're kind of doing that. You're kind
• 1:06:46
  Speaker 1: of like, um, I mean, it's just not standup comedy,
• 1:06:48
  Speaker 1: but you're just doing it for our health, you know? Yeah.
• 1:06:51
  Speaker 1: And I'm, I would way rather you're this guy out
• 1:06:53
  Speaker 1: there who's like, just who's basically riding around being his
• 1:06:57
  Speaker 1: own voodoo doll and shit. And have you out there
• 1:07:00
  Speaker 1: like trying jokes, which you may have been very successful
• 1:07:03
  Speaker 1: at as well. Um, but I'm glad you're doing what
• 1:07:06
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• 1:07:09
  Speaker 1: thing or next life, but also some people might not
• 1:07:11
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• 1:07:13
  Speaker 1: watched John Mayer, he got up and did standup comedy
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  Speaker 1: and he's like, man, I love standup comedy. I would
• 1:07:18
  Speaker 1: have loved to have been a standup comedian. He goes,
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  Speaker 1: but now I'm so known for being what I am
• 1:07:23
  Speaker 1: that I can't even be this because, uh, it just,
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  Speaker 1: people wouldn't accept it or wouldn't give you the same
• 1:07:31
  Speaker 1: walkway into their lives as, as they would knowing I'm
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 1: already John Mayer. Yeah. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. You know, they've, I would love to take that
• 1:07:38
  Speaker 2: on that challenge. And man, I would love to have
• 1:07:41
  Speaker 2: so many great jokes. I want to make fun of myself.
• 1:07:43
  Speaker 2: I like, I'm so weird, right? I, dude, of course you.
• 1:07:47
  Speaker 1: Are, dude. You probably, you probably might not even have
• 1:07:49
  Speaker 1: any blood in your body, dude. You could go to
• 1:07:52
  Speaker 1: a blood draw and they're just keep drawing and drawing
• 1:07:54
  Speaker 1: that is sitting there. Nurses are coming out like, we
• 1:07:58
  Speaker 1: don't know. I mean, Oh dude, I bet if you,
• 1:08:02
  Speaker 1: have you ever been on kill Tony? Have you been
• 1:08:03
  Speaker 1: on that show? Oh bro. If you, I wonder if we,
• 1:08:07
  Speaker 1: maybe next time I go on there, you and me
• 1:08:09
  Speaker 1: could go. He's this, have you ever seen it? No,
• 1:08:11
  Speaker 1: it's this, it's like the tonight show now, but they
• 1:08:13
  Speaker 1: do it at that in Austin. And it's, uh, and dude,
• 1:08:17
  Speaker 1: I bet people would write some jokes, bro. It'd be
• 1:08:20
  Speaker 1: so great. That'd be so much fun. I would love to.
• 1:08:23
  Speaker 1: This is it. It's so much fun, bro. Every week
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 1: they have it. You would be the best on there, dude.
• 1:08:30
  Speaker 2: I went to a couple roast me, um, shows. And
• 1:08:35
  Speaker 2: it was pretty good. Yeah.
• 1:08:36
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:08:37
  Speaker 2: Oh, I really enjoy people making fun of me.
• 1:08:39
  Speaker 1: It's fun. My buddy Adam Hunter does. I used to
• 1:08:41
  Speaker 1: do a lot of those. I know he's one of
• 1:08:42
  Speaker 1: the best at it. But Tony Hinchcliffe is really great
• 1:08:45
  Speaker 1: at it, too. And that's his show, Kill Tony. OK,
• 1:08:49
  Speaker 1: were there other things you were going to tell us
• 1:08:50
  Speaker 1: about some other health stuff you said that your own?
• 1:08:54
  Speaker 1: And you also have a and I'm not pushing your
• 1:08:56
  Speaker 1: products here, but I was given a gift of one
• 1:08:58
  Speaker 1: of your products and I haven't taken it. before. And
• 1:09:00
  Speaker 1: it's a blueprint protein powder. Yeah. Is it a protein powder?
• 1:09:04
  Speaker 1: Is it a daily powder? What is it? Yeah. Protein. Okay.
• 1:09:08
  Speaker 1: It's a protein powder. And a lot of times you
• 1:09:10
  Speaker 1: hear that supplements and stuff like that. A lot of
• 1:09:12
  Speaker 1: that stuff just comes out in your urine. Like what
• 1:09:14
  Speaker 1: makes this thing any different or is it any different? Yeah.
• 1:09:18
  Speaker 2: So the problem I was trying to solve is I
• 1:09:21
  Speaker 2: need to eat every day somehow.
• 1:09:23
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:09:24
  Speaker 2: And I need a certain amount of protein, a certain
• 1:09:25
  Speaker 2: amount of fat. And so when I go out in
• 1:09:27
  Speaker 2: the world, I'm like, where am I going to buy it?
• 1:09:29
  Speaker 1: Who do I trust?
• 1:09:30
  Speaker 2: No one.
• 1:09:31
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:09:31
  Speaker 2: Okay, so I got to manufacture this. So basically, like,
• 1:09:33
  Speaker 2: we put together, I eat everything my company makes because
• 1:09:36
  Speaker 2: I trust it. You know, I worked as a, in
• 1:09:39
  Speaker 2: high school, I worked at a restaurant. And I saw
• 1:09:42
  Speaker 2: the back kitchen operations. And I was like, damn. I'm
• 1:09:46
  Speaker 2: never eating at this restaurant ever again, right? Once you
• 1:09:49
  Speaker 2: see it, it's horrifying.
• 1:09:52
  Speaker 1: Yeah, well, it's crazy when you think you're at a
• 1:09:54
  Speaker 1: restaurant that you think that the people in the back
• 1:09:57
  Speaker 1: are doing their best. Because a lot of times you're like,
• 1:10:02
  Speaker 1: you'll go eat and then I'll go work at a restaurant.
• 1:10:04
  Speaker 1: So it's like, then I'm just the person in the back.
• 1:10:06
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and like the whole idea of like, so that's
• 1:10:09
  Speaker 2: like competent things going on behind the scenes that like
• 1:10:12
  Speaker 2: you can trust. Like, nah, nah, like someone breaks it.
• 1:10:14
  Speaker 2: So yeah, it's like blueprint. I see exactly what happens.
• 1:10:17
  Speaker 2: That's what I want to eat. So yeah, protein, I
• 1:10:19
  Speaker 2: basically need like 130 grams a day. And so I
• 1:10:21
  Speaker 2: have to get it from somewhere. So yeah, we, same thing.
• 1:10:23
  Speaker 2: If we source it, we third party test it. Um,
• 1:10:26
  Speaker 2: you know, we look at all the, the nutrients and
• 1:10:28
  Speaker 2: the chemicals and the toxins.
• 1:10:30
  Speaker 1: So yeah.
• 1:10:31
  Speaker 2: So the protein is one of the things we built.
• 1:10:34
  Speaker 1: And so, um, and what kind of protein powder do
• 1:10:35
  Speaker 1: you recommend? I take a plant protein right now. That's
• 1:10:38
  Speaker 1: kind of what I feel like works best with my system.
• 1:10:40
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:10:41
  Speaker 1: But, um, what is there a type of, cause you
• 1:10:44
  Speaker 1: hear different ones and new ones pop out. And then
• 1:10:46
  Speaker 1: there's like the one you're supposed to take at night. Like,
• 1:10:49
  Speaker 1: what has your experience been like with protein powder?
• 1:10:51
  Speaker 2: We've been using P and hemp. Um, we started using
• 1:10:55
  Speaker 2: pumpkin and, um, Oh, pumpkin got something was pumped.
• 1:10:58
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:10:59
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:10:59
  Speaker 1: So there's, there's, it should be obvious. Pumpkin has muscles, dude. Exactly.
• 1:11:03
  Speaker 2: You look at a fucking fucking flex in the field, right?
• 1:11:06
  Speaker 1: You see, you see it like that.
• 1:11:07
  Speaker 2: Who's the, who's the defined.
• 1:11:08
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:11:09
  Speaker 2: Yeah. So like we, yes, we did that, but.
• 1:11:11
  Speaker 1: You know, like P doesn't mix very well though. Yeah.
• 1:11:14
  Speaker 1: That's why.
• 1:11:14
  Speaker 2: So that's why we do the hemp combo.
• 1:11:16
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 1:11:16
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:11:17
  Speaker 1: It helps it. It makes it fluffy and nice. Cause
• 1:11:20
  Speaker 1: P sometimes I'll get it in a smoothie or something
• 1:11:21
  Speaker 1: and you can't even drink it because it's not the,
• 1:11:23
  Speaker 1: the solution isn't liquid enough. Yeah.
• 1:11:26
  Speaker 2: So we do that, but people, there's like this online
• 1:11:28
  Speaker 2: thing where people say that plant-based proteins are higher in
• 1:11:32
  Speaker 2: heavy metals, right? Cause there's, you can test it. The
• 1:11:35
  Speaker 2: issue with that is that the whole heavy metal discussion
• 1:11:37
  Speaker 2: is so fucked up because We test all my foods.
• 1:11:40
  Speaker 2: You can go to the store and get a carrot
• 1:11:43
  Speaker 2: and test that for heavy metals. It's high in heavy metals.
• 1:11:46
  Speaker 2: And so the only reason why it's been sensational around
• 1:11:49
  Speaker 2: plant-based proteins with toxins is because it's packaged food you
• 1:11:52
  Speaker 2: can easily measure. But it's harder to measure fresh food.
• 1:11:55
  Speaker 2: People don't do the work. So we've learned toxins are
• 1:11:59
  Speaker 2: everywhere in all foods. And so, for example, I'll give
• 1:12:02
  Speaker 2: you one where I was eating these lentils and the
• 1:12:05
  Speaker 2: test came back high. And so we're like, why are
• 1:12:08
  Speaker 2: lentils high in heavy metals? Like, what's going on there?
• 1:12:10
  Speaker 2: So we got a hold of the company, and we're like,
• 1:12:12
  Speaker 2: what's your manufacturing process? They said, actually, we use human
• 1:12:16
  Speaker 2: sludge as our fertilization. So they're taking.
• 1:12:20
  Speaker 1: Like doody or whatever?
• 1:12:21
  Speaker 2: Yeah, they're taking human shit, because it's like a.
• 1:12:24
  Speaker 1: Who's selling it?
• 1:12:26
  Speaker 2: So they're using human shit to fertilize, and human shit
• 1:12:28
  Speaker 2: has heavy metals in it, so then it recycles back
• 1:12:31
  Speaker 2: into the food. And so we've been... This is why
• 1:12:34
  Speaker 2: I make this shit because I shouldn't say stuff. So we,
• 1:12:37
  Speaker 2: we want to, we want to source our own food.
• 1:12:39
  Speaker 2: We want to test it. I want to know what
• 1:12:41
  Speaker 2: I'm putting in my body. And so, uh, we just,
• 1:12:43
  Speaker 2: I've learned way too much. I'm like, I'm so jaded now.
• 1:12:46
  Speaker 1: So the lentils, they were using human shit on their
• 1:12:48
  Speaker 1: crops and it was getting into the lentils.
• 1:12:51
  Speaker 2: That's why. Cause otherwise, if you think about it, you're like,
• 1:12:54
  Speaker 2: what foods naturally have high levels of blank, right? Or
• 1:12:57
  Speaker 2: like cocoa has high levels of heavy metals. Like it
• 1:13:00
  Speaker 2: has a lot of high levels of cadmium naturally. But
• 1:13:03
  Speaker 2: then people test that, like here are the brand rankings,
• 1:13:05
  Speaker 2: but then glyphosate could also be present. And so we
• 1:13:09
  Speaker 2: found that the brand had the lowest levels of cadmium,
• 1:13:12
  Speaker 2: had the highest levels of glyphosate by like 10x. They
• 1:13:15
  Speaker 2: had an oat filler. So it was in the oats.
• 1:13:18
  Speaker 2: And so this is the thing, once you actually take
• 1:13:22
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• 1:13:24
  Speaker 2: the nuance, it's just the conversation online is almost never right.
• 1:13:29
  Speaker 2: Like when the things that that gain trendy popularity, it's
• 1:13:34
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• 1:13:35
  Speaker 1: And when you said that all, some of it almost
• 1:13:36
  Speaker 1: is negligible then, because at a certain point, just overall,
• 1:13:40
  Speaker 1: we are in a very tough spot with, um, with
• 1:13:43
  Speaker 1: what is in our foods, no matter what.
• 1:13:44
  Speaker 2: A hundred percent. Like this, I'm saying like, it is, I,
• 1:13:47
  Speaker 2: I don't, people are going to feel stressed about this conversation.
• 1:13:50
  Speaker 2: So I want to like make sure we close. I
• 1:13:51
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• 1:13:53
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• 1:13:55
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• 1:13:58
  Speaker 1: Well, one of the things that I even, I think
• 1:14:00
  Speaker 1: you've already done is, That's why you're saying like, okay,
• 1:14:03
  Speaker 1: you may have this diet. If you have an olive
• 1:14:06
  Speaker 1: oil that you take when you're eating, that it will
• 1:14:08
  Speaker 1: lessen the effects of your diet on your system at
• 1:14:11
  Speaker 1: the time. And those are the types of things that
• 1:14:13
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• 1:14:16
  Speaker 1: that even if some stuff I know is going to
• 1:14:17
  Speaker 1: be not great for me, Um, how do I at
• 1:14:20
  Speaker 1: least just mitigate what's going on while our science, uh,
• 1:14:24
  Speaker 1: hopefully gets, um, you know, uncompromised while our food system
• 1:14:28
  Speaker 1: hopefully gets uncompromised and we're able to get back into
• 1:14:31
  Speaker 1: a better place. But you were saying, uh, there are
• 1:14:33
  Speaker 1: some things you want them to take away. Yeah. Okay, cool.
• 1:14:35
  Speaker 2: So here's like, uh, in short, um, this, this list
• 1:14:40
  Speaker 2: of things will hopefully help people feel empowered and not anxious.
• 1:14:44
  Speaker 2: So yes, there's like all kinds of shit to be
• 1:14:47
  Speaker 2: aware of. But if you focus on these things, so
• 1:14:49
  Speaker 2: one is I've learned out of all the things I've
• 1:14:52
  Speaker 2: measured out of, I literally have like billions of data
• 1:14:55
  Speaker 2: points in my body over the past five years. If
• 1:14:57
  Speaker 2: you distill that and say how many are useful signal,
• 1:15:00
  Speaker 2: probably a few hundred million, but it's the largest data
• 1:15:02
  Speaker 2: set in human history. The thing I care about the
• 1:15:05
  Speaker 2: most is what is my heart rate before bed? It
• 1:15:10
  Speaker 2: is like the most useful biomarker. And it's so easy
• 1:15:13
  Speaker 2: because it's free. So if you have a wearable, you
• 1:15:15
  Speaker 2: can just pull up your phone, see if you're where
• 1:15:16
  Speaker 2: it was, where your mark was. So you go, You
• 1:15:18
  Speaker 2: lay down on your bed, take a few deep breaths,
• 1:15:21
  Speaker 2: and you calm yourself down, and then you see a number.
• 1:15:23
  Speaker 2: Let's say it's like 55 beats a minute or 60.
• 1:15:26
  Speaker 2: Your goal in life now is to lower your heart rate.
• 1:15:29
  Speaker 2: So you say you start off at 60, and a
• 1:15:30
  Speaker 2: month from now, be at 55. And so the way
• 1:15:33
  Speaker 2: you do that, one, is you have your final meal
• 1:15:36
  Speaker 2: of the day four hours before bed. Yeah, I know,
• 1:15:39
  Speaker 2: I know, I hear you.
• 1:15:40
  Speaker 1: And no snacks?
• 1:15:42
  Speaker 2: No snacks, no food. So if your bedtime's at 10,
• 1:15:44
  Speaker 2: at 6 p.m., you're done. There we go, that's a
• 1:15:47
  Speaker 2: great chart.
• 1:15:47
  Speaker 1: Got it.
• 1:15:48
  Speaker 2: These are the things. So when you increase your heart
• 1:15:51
  Speaker 2: rate before bed, it wrecks your sleep. Yes. When you
• 1:15:55
  Speaker 2: don't sleep well, your willpower falls off a cliff. So
• 1:15:59
  Speaker 2: the next morning when you're trying to decide, do you
• 1:16:02
  Speaker 2: eat the croissant or the donut for breakfast or not?
• 1:16:05
  Speaker 2: If you haven't slept well, you're like 90% more likely
• 1:16:08
  Speaker 2: to eat the donut or the croissant.
• 1:16:09
  Speaker 1: Wow.
• 1:16:10
  Speaker 2: If you slept well, you have a little juice in
• 1:16:12
  Speaker 2: the system. You're like, you know what? No, it's not
• 1:16:14
  Speaker 2: good for me. And I'm going to exercise, which then
• 1:16:17
  Speaker 2: also increases your willpower. So you get this really positive loop.
• 1:16:20
  Speaker 2: So it all starts with sleep and sleep is determined
• 1:16:24
  Speaker 2: by your heart rate. So for example, like so four
• 1:16:27
  Speaker 2: hours before bed, that is going to lower. So when
• 1:16:30
  Speaker 2: you have that distance, it allows your body to digest
• 1:16:33
  Speaker 2: the food. It allows your body to say, I'm going
• 1:16:36
  Speaker 2: to get ready for bed. So it lowers your body temperature,
• 1:16:38
  Speaker 2: lowers cortisol, increases melatonin. So your body's in a much
• 1:16:42
  Speaker 2: better state to go to sleep and stay in deep sleep.
• 1:16:45
  Speaker 2: The second thing is your phone needs to be off
• 1:16:49
  Speaker 2: an hour before bed. You can't be in bed scrolling, working, texting.
• 1:16:54
  Speaker 2: You need this separation because your body, the phone in
• 1:16:56
  Speaker 2: hand is going to increase your cortisol, increase your sympathetic activation.
• 1:17:01
  Speaker 2: You'll be more anxious. And so you need an hour
• 1:17:03
  Speaker 2: of separation instead of the phone to go for a walk,
• 1:17:06
  Speaker 2: talk to a friend, hang out, like breath work, meditation,
• 1:17:09
  Speaker 2: read a book, like anything but be on your phone
• 1:17:11
  Speaker 2: that will lower your heart rate. And there's other small things.
• 1:17:14
  Speaker 2: Like I do this nighttime discussion where I go to
• 1:17:19
  Speaker 2: bed at 8.30. At 7.30 p.m., Sleep Brian comes on duty.
• 1:17:24
  Speaker 2: And Sleep Brian is a version of me that defends
• 1:17:26
  Speaker 2: my sleep. And so all the Brians line up. So
• 1:17:30
  Speaker 2: Ambitious Brian lines up. He's always the first one.
• 1:17:32
  Speaker 1: He goes to work.
• 1:17:33
  Speaker 2: And he's like, I got a fucking banger idea, right?
• 1:17:36
  Speaker 2: A brand new thing we're going to do. And Sleep
• 1:17:38
  Speaker 2: Brian says... we see you ambitious Brian. Like you're doing
• 1:17:41
  Speaker 2: a good job in life. Keep at it, man. Also,
• 1:17:44
  Speaker 2: we're getting ready for bed. So we're going to write
• 1:17:46
  Speaker 2: down your idea and then tomorrow we'll come back to it.
• 1:17:49
  Speaker 2: And ambitious Brian's like, are you sure? And sleep Brian's like, yeah, yeah,
• 1:17:52
  Speaker 2: we got you. So then he walks away. Then anxious
• 1:17:54
  Speaker 2: Brian shows up and he's like, yo, today when you
• 1:17:56
  Speaker 2: were with Theo, you said that thing and you were
• 1:17:59
  Speaker 2: a jackass to him, right? It's like, thank you, anxious Brian.
• 1:18:02
  Speaker 2: Great self-awareness. Appreciate you. We're going to write that down.
• 1:18:05
  Speaker 2: We're going to hit Theo up tomorrow. Make sure we're
• 1:18:06
  Speaker 2: all good. And they're like, all the Brian's lined up.
• 1:18:09
  Speaker 2: And so, You know, this is even get Brian ever
• 1:18:12
  Speaker 2: show up. He's like, Hey, stay up all the time.
• 1:18:16
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. This Brian is fricking leave me alone, Brian.
• 1:18:19
  Speaker 2: Yeah. So you'll see this, like whether you do this
• 1:18:22
  Speaker 2: or something else, um, the way this manifests is if
• 1:18:25
  Speaker 2: you don't do this, you put your head on the
• 1:18:28
  Speaker 2: pillow and then you loop, right? Like you have these
• 1:18:31
  Speaker 2: thoughts that just like go, go and go into the
• 1:18:34
  Speaker 2: same thoughts. And then you finally fall asleep. You wake
• 1:18:37
  Speaker 2: up three hours later that they are again, looping. And
• 1:18:40
  Speaker 2: so they cause your heart rate to go up, which
• 1:18:42
  Speaker 2: causes your sleep to go down, which crashes your willpower,
• 1:18:45
  Speaker 2: which crashes everything else. So by doing this like internal heart,
• 1:18:50
  Speaker 2: like you're trying to clean up, you're lowering your heart rate,
• 1:18:53
  Speaker 2: you're settling yourself down, you're getting to some point of reconciliation.
• 1:18:57
  Speaker 2: So now you've not eaten for four hours, you've got
• 1:18:59
  Speaker 2: off your phone, and you've got some kind of internal balance.
• 1:19:04
  Speaker 2: Now you're ready to like, I can put my head
• 1:19:06
  Speaker 2: on the pillow, And have a decent shot at a
• 1:19:09
  Speaker 2: banger night's sleep. And so basically I built my entire
• 1:19:12
  Speaker 2: life around sleep. Now, if you focus on that, it's
• 1:19:14
  Speaker 2: just like so much of life is just not doing
• 1:19:19
  Speaker 2: bad shit. This is like what we talked about before
• 1:19:22
  Speaker 2: of like whether you're happy or not in life is
• 1:19:26
  Speaker 2: how much you're doing, which you actually don't want to do. Yeah. Hmm.
• 1:19:31
  Speaker 2: And then like all the other stuff, like all these
• 1:19:33
  Speaker 2: little things about this and that, like don't worry about
• 1:19:34
  Speaker 2: it yet. Just get sleep in place. Get these basic
• 1:19:37
  Speaker 2: habits in place. Your sleep is going to make you
• 1:19:39
  Speaker 2: feel great. And then once you get that in a
• 1:19:41
  Speaker 2: steady place, you can start layering on good habits. But
• 1:19:45
  Speaker 2: if you take on too many things, you'll feel overwhelmed.
• 1:19:48
  Speaker 2: So like get that in place. That's like the winner.
• 1:19:50
  Speaker 1: Dude, it's like there's nothing better. then when you like, Oh,
• 1:19:56
  Speaker 1: I'm going to sleep, man, it, uh, what'd you say?
• 1:20:01
  Speaker 2: How's your sleep?
• 1:20:02
  Speaker 1: My sleep's okay. It's not that great. A lot of
• 1:20:04
  Speaker 1: times I stay up editing, but it's, but I also
• 1:20:07
  Speaker 1: have gotten trapped into a late pattern. So it's like,
• 1:20:09
  Speaker 1: I could get up earlier. It's just like, I have
• 1:20:11
  Speaker 1: to line it up earlier. I could get up earlier, get,
• 1:20:15
  Speaker 1: get rid of like, uh, the working out, the meditation. Um,
• 1:20:19
  Speaker 1: you know, I'll do like some zoom, like recovery meeting stuff. And, uh,
• 1:20:23
  Speaker 1: and then all that's out of my head. Yeah. And
• 1:20:26
  Speaker 1: now the rest of my day feels more, it feels
• 1:20:29
  Speaker 1: easier no matter what I'm doing, as opposed to these
• 1:20:32
  Speaker 1: things being later in the day and that I still
• 1:20:34
  Speaker 1: have to do them. That's one of the biggest traps
• 1:20:36
  Speaker 1: I set myself up for is procrastinating. Like the toughest
• 1:20:40
  Speaker 1: things right out of the gate and they even get
• 1:20:42
  Speaker 1: easier over time. Um, yeah, that's right. But like today
• 1:20:46
  Speaker 1: I got up, I saw her, I do sauna a lot.
• 1:20:47
  Speaker 1: That is one thing that I like doing. Um, it
• 1:20:49
  Speaker 1: just makes me feel activated. Um, And not everybody can
• 1:20:54
  Speaker 1: have a sauna at home. I don't have a very
• 1:20:56
  Speaker 1: fancy one. There's a lot of different affordable ones, actually.
• 1:21:00
  Speaker 1: But that's something that I noticed has helped me a lot.
• 1:21:04
  Speaker 2: Are you icing your boys in the sauna?
• 1:21:06
  Speaker 1: Am I icing my body? Your boys. My nuts? Yeah.
• 1:21:09
  Speaker 1: It's a good idea. You ice them in the sauna?
• 1:21:11
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:21:12
  Speaker 1: Whoa, whoa, what do you mean? Yeah, yeah.
• 1:21:13
  Speaker 2: So we did an experiment. So when the testicles get warm,
• 1:21:20
  Speaker 2: it has all these negative consequences. It destroys your fertility markers.
• 1:21:26
  Speaker 1: And so, yep.
• 1:21:28
  Speaker 2: So what you want, what you can do is on Amazon,
• 1:21:29
  Speaker 2: you can buy like $ 8 ice packs. They're BPA free, non-toxic,
• 1:21:35
  Speaker 2: put them in the freezer and then just slide them
• 1:21:37
  Speaker 2: underneath your cotton. So wear cotton underwear and cotton shorts,
• 1:21:41
  Speaker 2: put them in between the underwear and the shorts and
• 1:21:44
  Speaker 2: just have them there for the entire session of the
• 1:21:46
  Speaker 2: sauna session. But we did this. I, I did, um,
• 1:21:50
  Speaker 2: the most measured sauna experiment in history. We measured like
• 1:21:53
  Speaker 2: 250 biomarkers and we did ice on my testicles and
• 1:21:58
  Speaker 2: we took it off and it annihilated my fertility markers. Now,
• 1:22:01
  Speaker 2: a lot of people will say like, I don't care
• 1:22:03
  Speaker 2: about that because I'm not trying to get pregnant or whatever,
• 1:22:04
  Speaker 2: but it has a whole bunch of negative feedback loop.
• 1:22:07
  Speaker 2: Like it's a negative feedback loop. You don't want to
• 1:22:08
  Speaker 2: annihilate them. You want good fertility markers, even if you're
• 1:22:11
  Speaker 2: trying to have a baby. Yeah, you want your brain
• 1:22:13
  Speaker 2: to feel like you're pot, like, just alive.
• 1:22:15
  Speaker 1: Ready to roll. Yeah, if your brain starts feeling like, oh,
• 1:22:17
  Speaker 1: these nuts are useless or whatever, your brain's like, then
• 1:22:19
  Speaker 1: what am I sticking around for?
• 1:22:20
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, what's my, yeah, my job, exactly.
• 1:22:22
  Speaker 1: Dang, dude. Now, what if you just pour a little
• 1:22:24
  Speaker 1: bit of cold water on your nuts every now and then?
• 1:22:26
  Speaker 1: Is that, you think that'd be okay?
• 1:22:27
  Speaker 2: I mean, you could, but you gotta keep the water cold, uh,
• 1:22:30
  Speaker 2: you gotta make sure you keep the temperature, like, as
• 1:22:32
  Speaker 2: long as you get the temperature low, like, whatever, whatever
• 1:22:34
  Speaker 2: you do, and then after you do it, you know,
• 1:22:37
  Speaker 2: just clean it with, like, uh, hydrogen peroxide or something,
• 1:22:40
  Speaker 2: you know, so you, uh, and then put it back
• 1:22:42
  Speaker 2: in the freezer, but, yeah, I know it's like, it's
• 1:22:44
  Speaker 2: uncomfortable to do it socially. Like you go out to
• 1:22:47
  Speaker 2: like a public place and it's like, who's the weird
• 1:22:49
  Speaker 2: person putting, you know, the ice pack on their balls,
• 1:22:51
  Speaker 2: you know, but like it legit is it's good science and, uh,
• 1:22:55
  Speaker 2: it's a good practice.
• 1:22:56
  Speaker 1: So keeping them cool. Even if you had to go
• 1:22:58
  Speaker 1: to the water to go to the ice machine, get
• 1:23:00
  Speaker 1: you a little sack ice and just set them on
• 1:23:02
  Speaker 1: there while you're in there.
• 1:23:03
  Speaker 2: Anything you can do to keep your, your ice testicles cold. Wow.
• 1:23:07
  Speaker 1: Is the sauna, is there a certain type of sauna
• 1:23:09
  Speaker 1: that you really recommend or something that works differently? There's
• 1:23:12
  Speaker 1: ones now like, I actually was thinking about getting like
• 1:23:14
  Speaker 1: an infrared panel put into my sauna. Do you find
• 1:23:17
  Speaker 1: that there's any help with that sort of thing? I
• 1:23:19
  Speaker 1: know that's kind of two different questions.
• 1:23:20
  Speaker 2: Yeah. The best evidence is with a dry sauna. And
• 1:23:25
  Speaker 2: so there's wet, dry, and infrared. And wet, the problem
• 1:23:29
  Speaker 2: is it heats up your skin faster than your core temperature.
• 1:23:33
  Speaker 2: You try to get your core temperature up. So a
• 1:23:35
  Speaker 2: dry sauna, an infrared rarely hits the temperature levels you want.
• 1:23:39
  Speaker 2: So the best evidence is You want to be between
• 1:23:41
  Speaker 2: 174 Fahrenheit to 212 Fahrenheit.
• 1:23:45
  Speaker 1: Oh, my God, bro. That's warm.
• 1:23:47
  Speaker 2: That's your window. So what we're doing now is one
• 1:23:51
  Speaker 2: of the primary benefits of the sauna is when you
• 1:23:54
  Speaker 2: go in there, your core body temperature, when it gets
• 1:23:56
  Speaker 2: to about 102 degrees Fahrenheit, it triggers the release of
• 1:24:00
  Speaker 2: heat shock proteins. So these are like little machines, protein
• 1:24:05
  Speaker 2: machines that get spun up. And they go around and
• 1:24:07
  Speaker 2: fix shit. They fix broken proteins.
• 1:24:09
  Speaker 1: Like minions. Yeah.
• 1:24:10
  Speaker 2: Like they're like flooding your body, doing good stuff, but
• 1:24:13
  Speaker 2: it only gets triggered when your core body temperature hits
• 1:24:16
  Speaker 2: a certain level. And so if you're not hot enough
• 1:24:19
  Speaker 2: to sauna, so they're, but they're very hard to measure.
• 1:24:21
  Speaker 2: So we're currently setting up a lab, a wet lab
• 1:24:24
  Speaker 2: on my house. We can measure this. We're going to
• 1:24:26
  Speaker 2: try to measure my heat shock protein release on various temperatures,
• 1:24:30
  Speaker 2: various durations. So what we've been looking, cause I've been
• 1:24:33
  Speaker 2: doing core temperature out of my ear lately, but, The
• 1:24:37
  Speaker 2: gold standard measurement is rectal, but to do that, you've
• 1:24:41
  Speaker 2: got to be inside the ass for two to three
• 1:24:44
  Speaker 2: minutes with a long probe. That's farm work. I'm struggling
• 1:24:52
  Speaker 2: with that one. I do a lot of stuff, but man,
• 1:24:55
  Speaker 2: I was like, guys, can we find an alternative way
• 1:24:57
  Speaker 2: of doing this? We're going to do blood. We're going
• 1:24:59
  Speaker 2: to measure heat shock protein release because that's the goody stuff. Basically,
• 1:25:03
  Speaker 2: dry sauna, Somewhere between 174 and 212 Fahrenheit for 20
• 1:25:08
  Speaker 2: minutes is like a good starting point. And then ice
• 1:25:12
  Speaker 2: on the boys.
• 1:25:13
  Speaker 1: Ice on the boys while you're in there. And you
• 1:25:16
  Speaker 1: want to stay in that sauna for, you said, for
• 1:25:17
  Speaker 1: 15 to 20 minutes above 170 degrees? Yeah.
• 1:25:20
  Speaker 2: That's like a good approximation. That's where the evidence is.
• 1:25:23
  Speaker 2: It's like if you're in that range, you're getting some benefit.
• 1:25:27
  Speaker 2: I'm trying to go for like max, max benefit. But
• 1:25:29
  Speaker 2: like if you're in that temperature range for that duration
• 1:25:31
  Speaker 2: of time, you're getting some good benefit.
• 1:25:32
  Speaker 1: Wow. That's fascinating, dude. Yeah, because my stepsister just got
• 1:25:39
  Speaker 1: me a sauna hat to wear in the sauna too.
• 1:25:42
  Speaker 2: That's good. The heat will dry out your scalp.
• 1:25:44
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it just seems kind of nice too. It's nice
• 1:25:47
  Speaker 1: to have a little bit of like a fashion accoutrement
• 1:25:48
  Speaker 1: in there kind of.
• 1:25:49
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's made of hemp material.
• 1:25:51
  Speaker 1: Yeah, probably something like that. Yeah, one thing, we're trying
• 1:25:54
  Speaker 1: to make an underwear that's just all cotton, right? And
• 1:25:55
  Speaker 1: it's American cotton. One of the things I noticed too
• 1:25:58
  Speaker 1: on underwear is, The night band, sometimes the waistband, it's
• 1:26:01
  Speaker 1: too tight and it makes you go pee all night. Yeah, yeah.
• 1:26:04
  Speaker 1: So it's like you got to wake up an extra
• 1:26:05
  Speaker 1: time or sometimes two. Like if I wear some of
• 1:26:08
  Speaker 1: these ones that are really constricting, I'm like... Yeah. So
• 1:26:11
  Speaker 1: I don't know. I've just been trying to think about
• 1:26:12
  Speaker 1: making a decent pair of britches, bro. Something to hide
• 1:26:16
  Speaker 1: your cock in or whatever. While you're sleeping, bro.
• 1:26:20
  Speaker 2: I hear you, man. This is a serious problem.
• 1:26:22
  Speaker 1: Yeah, dude.
• 1:26:22
  Speaker 2: It's crazy.
• 1:26:25
  Speaker 1: I saw that you went viral not long ago for posting.
• 1:26:27
  Speaker 1: It was like... nighttime erection data. Yeah. Take me down that, uh,
• 1:26:32
  Speaker 1: take me down that wiener road for a second. Yeah. Ryan,
• 1:26:35
  Speaker 1: what did you, what did you see your nighttime erection
• 1:26:37
  Speaker 1: data from my 19 year old son? Yeah. And this
• 1:26:40
  Speaker 1: is definitely, I mean, that's one way to build a
• 1:26:43
  Speaker 1: bonding as bonding, dude. Um, nighttime erection data from my
• 1:26:48
  Speaker 1: 19 year old son, uh, Talmadge Johnson and me, his
• 1:26:52
  Speaker 1: duration is two minutes longer than mine.
• 1:26:55
  Speaker 2: Wow.
• 1:26:55
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Uh, raise children to stand tall, be firm and
• 1:26:59
  Speaker 1: be upright. That's hilarious. Yeah. I noticed you and your son,
• 1:27:02
  Speaker 1: do you, he gets involved in a lot of this, right?
• 1:27:04
  Speaker 2: Yeah. He, he's so cool. He's such a cool cat. He, uh,
• 1:27:08
  Speaker 2: he's my second child and, um, he and I are
• 1:27:11
  Speaker 2: just best friends. We roll and man, like we're like,
• 1:27:16
  Speaker 2: we're just twins. Like we just like, you know, with Kate, um, man,
• 1:27:20
  Speaker 2: I love this kid so much. We have so much
• 1:27:23
  Speaker 2: fun together.
• 1:27:24
  Speaker 1: Yeah, what makes him so special to you? I mean,
• 1:27:25
  Speaker 1: it's your son, so that's one thing.
• 1:27:28
  Speaker 2: There he is.
• 1:27:30
  Speaker 1: That's cool. He's in shape, huh?
• 1:27:33
  Speaker 2: Who would do this with their dad?
• 1:27:35
  Speaker 1: That's a good– dude, that's actually the perfect answer. Maybe
• 1:27:41
  Speaker 1: Voldemort's son or whatever. You know, I'm just joking. I'm
• 1:27:45
  Speaker 1: just joking, Thomas.
• 1:27:46
  Speaker 2: No.
• 1:27:47
  Speaker 1: But no, you're right. Who would be like, yeah, who
• 1:27:49
  Speaker 1: would do anything with their dad? Look at like the
• 1:27:52
  Speaker 1: lower left. He's, I have my shirt off. Yeah.
• 1:27:55
  Speaker 2: He's hugging me. Like we're doing a shirtless skin to
• 1:27:57
  Speaker 2: skin photo shoot. Like what father son does that?
• 1:28:01
  Speaker 1: Seems pretty tribal. Yeah.
• 1:28:03
  Speaker 2: I mean, he's, he's, he's like, and so like we're there,
• 1:28:06
  Speaker 2: we did a blood transfer.
• 1:28:07
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:28:07
  Speaker 2: He gave me his plasma. I gave my dad my plasma.
• 1:28:10
  Speaker 2: We did a tri-generational thing.
• 1:28:12
  Speaker 1: Was there any helpful stuff in that?
• 1:28:16
  Speaker 2: The origin behind that is my dad called me in
• 1:28:17
  Speaker 2: a panic. He said, I just wrote this thing for work.
• 1:28:22
  Speaker 2: I stepped away from my desk, came back to it.
• 1:28:26
  Speaker 2: It was gibberish. He's like, I'm freaking out. That day,
• 1:28:31
  Speaker 2: my team and I had a call about plasma exchanges.
• 1:28:34
  Speaker 2: Like the idea of you, like there was a study
• 1:28:35
  Speaker 2: where a old mouse and a young mouse were sewed
• 1:28:38
  Speaker 2: together and they shared a circulatory system. The old mouse
• 1:28:42
  Speaker 2: got younger.
• 1:28:42
  Speaker 1: They were sewn together?
• 1:28:43
  Speaker 2: Yeah, like they shared a system. That's kind of a
• 1:28:46
  Speaker 2: shitty mouse, right? Like to be that mouse in that experiment.
• 1:28:49
  Speaker 2: But the old mouse got younger. And so there was
• 1:28:51
  Speaker 2: this idea like what's happening, right? Could you replicate the
• 1:28:54
  Speaker 2: results there by taking... plasma that is youthful and give
• 1:28:59
  Speaker 2: it to someone that is older. And so my, I
• 1:29:01
  Speaker 2: was like, dad, if you want to do this, I'm
• 1:29:04
  Speaker 2: happy to give you my plasma. Like, you know, cause
• 1:29:07
  Speaker 2: there were some studies being shown.
• 1:29:08
  Speaker 1: And then you siphon Talmadge into it.
• 1:29:12
  Speaker 2: So he, he heard, he heard me, Talmadge heard us
• 1:29:15
  Speaker 2: talking about it. He's like, Hey, like, wow. If you
• 1:29:17
  Speaker 2: want me in, like, I'm, I'm happy to be in.
• 1:29:19
  Speaker 2: I'm like, you guys, this is perfect. The tri-generational plasma exchange.
• 1:29:22
  Speaker 1: That shit's dope, dude.
• 1:29:24
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so we did it. And it's interesting that my dad,
• 1:29:27
  Speaker 2: his speed of aging, it's like there's a clock inside
• 1:29:30
  Speaker 2: your body of how fast or how slow you're aging.
• 1:29:32
  Speaker 2: His speed of aging dropped by the equivalent of 25 years.
• 1:29:35
  Speaker 2: So his body had a dramatic reduction of how fast
• 1:29:39
  Speaker 2: it was aging from getting my plasma.
• 1:29:41
  Speaker 1: How were you able to quantify that?
• 1:29:43
  Speaker 2: Looking at something called DNA methylation. So your body basically-
• 1:29:48
  Speaker 2: has these chemical signatures of like, what does your body
• 1:29:50
  Speaker 2: look like? A 13 year old, a 20 year old,
• 1:29:52
  Speaker 2: a 45 year old. It's like an emergent science. So
• 1:29:54
  Speaker 2: it's like metadata almost. Yeah, exactly. And so like, it's
• 1:29:57
  Speaker 2: a new area of science. It's still emergent. It's not
• 1:29:59
  Speaker 2: yet gold standard. So like, you know, it's not like the,
• 1:30:03
  Speaker 2: like blood work is a gold standard marker, but this
• 1:30:04
  Speaker 2: is cool. And so, yeah, my dad's metadata changed dramatically.
• 1:30:10
  Speaker 2: My biomarkers didn't. So when, when my son Talmadge gave
• 1:30:13
  Speaker 2: me his plasma, my biomarkers did not change, which, It
• 1:30:16
  Speaker 2: makes sense because my biomarkers are already like his. We're
• 1:30:20
  Speaker 2: already of comparable health, but my dad's are not as
• 1:30:22
  Speaker 2: good as mine. But yeah, that was behind that. So
• 1:30:26
  Speaker 2: my son, yeah.
• 1:30:27
  Speaker 1: That's cool.
• 1:30:27
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but he's a yes and guy.
• 1:30:31
  Speaker 1: Oh, nice.
• 1:30:31
  Speaker 2: So anything I say or anything I do, he's always like, dad, yeah, and?
• 1:30:36
  Speaker 2: Like when I did the live stream mushrooms, he's like,
• 1:30:38
  Speaker 2: I'm in and I want to hang out with you.
• 1:30:40
  Speaker 2: And so he's just like, he's such a cool dude.
• 1:30:43
  Speaker 1: Um, I want to talk about the mushroom stuff and I'll,
• 1:30:45
  Speaker 1: but take me back to the erections. Uh, what? And
• 1:30:49
  Speaker 1: that's the only time I'll ever say that probably.
• 1:30:50
  Speaker 2: It's like the time you were gay. Everyone's a little
• 1:30:57
  Speaker 2: gay for one.
• 1:30:58
  Speaker 1: Oh dude. People's all a little bit gay, bro. You
• 1:31:00
  Speaker 1: fucking tickle anybody. If you tickle somebody hard enough, they'll
• 1:31:03
  Speaker 1: admit it.
• 1:31:04
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:31:04
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Um, what did you notice about erections? Yeah. What
• 1:31:08
  Speaker 1: did you guys find out here? Cause you and your
• 1:31:09
  Speaker 1: son both took this. Is it a test? What did
• 1:31:12
  Speaker 1: you guys do to study it? Yeah.
• 1:31:14
  Speaker 2: So there's the idea behind this is, um, how do
• 1:31:17
  Speaker 2: you tell if somebody is in good health, right? You
• 1:31:20
  Speaker 2: can like, look, you can look at them. It's like,
• 1:31:22
  Speaker 2: what is the skin quality? Like what are their muscles?
• 1:31:24
  Speaker 2: Are they aerobically fit? Um, it turns out that nighttime
• 1:31:28
  Speaker 2: erections for men is a major marker for health. And
• 1:31:33
  Speaker 2: that if a man is not having erections at night,
• 1:31:35
  Speaker 2: when he's asleep, it's representative of much larger problems in
• 1:31:39
  Speaker 2: the body. But after, before we did this, nobody talked
• 1:31:42
  Speaker 2: about this idea, but every night you go to bed, uh,
• 1:31:46
  Speaker 2: your body goes to a natural process of erection cycles.
• 1:31:49
  Speaker 2: So men have between three and five erections every single night.
• 1:31:53
  Speaker 2: It's not sexual. Your body is just like pulsing the system.
• 1:31:57
  Speaker 2: Females have the same thing. So females also have, uh,
• 1:31:59
  Speaker 2: these arousal cycles that are clitoris and gorges that they,
• 1:32:02
  Speaker 2: you know, so So we can measure a man's erections.
• 1:32:06
  Speaker 2: So we have this little device you put on the
• 1:32:08
  Speaker 2: base of the penis, and you go to sleep. You
• 1:32:10
  Speaker 2: think it's annoying, but it's actually fine. You don't even
• 1:32:11
  Speaker 2: feel it. And you wake up in the morning, and
• 1:32:13
  Speaker 2: it gives you a readout, how many erections you had,
• 1:32:16
  Speaker 2: how long they were, and then the strength, the erections.
• 1:32:19
  Speaker 2: And what it's basically doing is it's telling you the
• 1:32:22
  Speaker 2: health of your cardiovascular system, your psychological health, and your
• 1:32:26
  Speaker 2: physiological health. So if your dick is broken, something else
• 1:32:31
  Speaker 2: is broken about you. And you can also use it
• 1:32:33
  Speaker 2: as an age marker because as you age, like a
• 1:32:35
  Speaker 2: healthy 18-year-old will have something like two and a half
• 1:32:38
  Speaker 2: hours of nighttime erections. And by the time you get
• 1:32:42
  Speaker 2: to 70 years old, it's down to like 51 minutes.
• 1:32:45
  Speaker 2: So it declines with age. Papa's still rocking though.
• 1:32:47
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:32:47
  Speaker 2: So mine are, my best is like three hours and
• 1:32:51
  Speaker 2: 52 minutes.
• 1:32:53
  Speaker 1: In one night?
• 1:32:53
  Speaker 2: Yeah. So I'm at the 99.9 percentile. for nighttime erections.
• 1:32:58
  Speaker 2: And this is a cool marker because people can look
• 1:33:01
  Speaker 2: at me and say, bro, you still look 48. I
• 1:33:05
  Speaker 2: don't think any of your shit's working. And the way
• 1:33:08
  Speaker 2: to counteract that is when you go to bed, your
• 1:33:11
  Speaker 2: body just does it. I can't change if I have
• 1:33:14
  Speaker 2: erections at night or not. I can't think about having sex.
• 1:33:16
  Speaker 2: Your body just does it. So it basically is a
• 1:33:19
  Speaker 2: question of my body is behaving like an 18-year-old, better
• 1:33:24
  Speaker 2: than an average 18-year-old. And so that's like a good
• 1:33:27
  Speaker 2: marker of like, is my stuff working or not?
• 1:33:29
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:33:30
  Speaker 2: Like, so that's what this whole idea is. I actually,
• 1:33:32
  Speaker 2: I was teaching my son, like, I was like, Hey man,
• 1:33:34
  Speaker 2: how are you doing? Because as a good father would
• 1:33:36
  Speaker 2: want his son to be healthy. And he's like, I
• 1:33:38
  Speaker 2: want to measure it. So, so he's a very healthy
• 1:33:41
  Speaker 2: 18 year old. And I was trying to demonstrate that,
• 1:33:43
  Speaker 2: you know, I'm 48 years old. He's, he's 20. Our
• 1:33:46
  Speaker 2: bodies basically are behaving the same. So yeah, people like,
• 1:33:52
  Speaker 2: you know, he definitely, had a lot to say about
• 1:33:54
  Speaker 2: this post.
• 1:33:55
  Speaker 1: Yeah, well, it's, I mean, it's pretty fascinating. You know,
• 1:33:58
  Speaker 1: when you think about that, you had 34 million views
• 1:34:00
  Speaker 1: on this?
• 1:34:01
  Speaker 2: It'd be like, that's not even, like, it went so
• 1:34:04
  Speaker 2: much more.
• 1:34:04
  Speaker 1: Viral than that. That's insane, bro. Yeah. Yeah. But dang, also,
• 1:34:08
  Speaker 1: it's a great business card for your son in the
• 1:34:11
  Speaker 1: dating world.
• 1:34:12
  Speaker 2: Yeah, like, you know what?
• 1:34:14
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:34:14
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:34:15
  Speaker 1: Or the longevity world. I mean, it's just like, Yeah.
• 1:34:17
  Speaker 1: If that's something that's just like, it's your nature that
• 1:34:19
  Speaker 1: it's going to show up at night. Cause yeah, I
• 1:34:21
  Speaker 1: noticed that I definitely, if I wake up with an erection,
• 1:34:23
  Speaker 1: I do feel more like, okay, I'm viral or virile
• 1:34:28
  Speaker 1: and I'm rocking, you know, and I still got it.
• 1:34:30
  Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying? And bring on the day.
• 1:34:32
  Speaker 2: Yeah. You remember Theo, like when you were like early teens,
• 1:34:37
  Speaker 2: you're always erect. Like in the middle of the day,
• 1:34:40
  Speaker 2: you have you just become erect.
• 1:34:42
  Speaker 1: Yeah. I remember walking down the hall and having to
• 1:34:43
  Speaker 1: like lean my body inward or like walk with your
• 1:34:47
  Speaker 1: book over. Yes. Holding your book bag and wearing your
• 1:34:49
  Speaker 1: book bag on the front.
• 1:34:50
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:34:51
  Speaker 1: Or just, um, or I'd walk in like just a school.
• 1:34:54
  Speaker 1: I would just point my body towards the wall and
• 1:34:57
  Speaker 1: just walk sideways and shit. Just weird shit.
• 1:34:59
  Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly.
• 1:35:00
  Speaker 1: Just cocking around.
• 1:35:01
  Speaker 2: That's like a robust function. But then as you, as
• 1:35:04
  Speaker 2: you age, right. They just disappear. And so that's why
• 1:35:07
  Speaker 2: it's so important. So I talk about it because people
• 1:35:10
  Speaker 2: who don't have men who do not, do not have
• 1:35:12
  Speaker 2: robust nighttime erections are 70% more likely to have a
• 1:35:15
  Speaker 2: cardiac event. So like you, like you really want to
• 1:35:18
  Speaker 2: know if it's not working, like all their stuff was
• 1:35:21
  Speaker 2: going on. And so, yeah.
• 1:35:22
  Speaker 1: Wow. A lot of my, yeah, there was a long
• 1:35:24
  Speaker 1: time where I didn't because a lot of it was
• 1:35:26
  Speaker 1: psychological too. I think I was just, it was something
• 1:35:29
  Speaker 1: going on in my head that wasn't healthy. Um, You
• 1:35:33
  Speaker 1: had mentioned you had an experience. I have to pee
• 1:35:36
  Speaker 1: really quick now. We just took a urine break. Dude,
• 1:35:40
  Speaker 1: I pee long when I pee, dude, because I drink
• 1:35:42
  Speaker 1: a lot of fluids during the day. Is that good
• 1:35:45
  Speaker 1: or bad? You think does it matter? Yeah. Do you
• 1:35:47
  Speaker 1: cut off fluids at a certain time at the end
• 1:35:49
  Speaker 1: of the day so you don't wake up to pee
• 1:35:51
  Speaker 1: at night? Yeah.
• 1:35:52
  Speaker 2: So I measure what I did is I measured my fluid.
• 1:35:55
  Speaker 2: So when I exercise and when I'm in the sauna,
• 1:35:58
  Speaker 2: I'm able to exercise how much I measure how much
• 1:36:00
  Speaker 2: I sweat. So Gatorade has a patch. just put it
• 1:36:03
  Speaker 2: on the inside of your forearm. And then it gives
• 1:36:05
  Speaker 2: you how much you sweat and also the content of
• 1:36:08
  Speaker 2: your sodium. So you have like a kind of a baseline.
• 1:36:11
  Speaker 2: And then you have an idea of like, you can
• 1:36:12
  Speaker 2: back into how much should you consume and should you
• 1:36:16
  Speaker 2: supplement with the sodium or do you already have that?
• 1:36:19
  Speaker 2: So yeah, I consume about 120 to 130 ounces of
• 1:36:21
  Speaker 2: water per day.
• 1:36:22
  Speaker 1: So a lot like you.
• 1:36:24
  Speaker 2: I front load it in the morning and I stop
• 1:36:26
  Speaker 2: around four to five. So yeah, so that then helps
• 1:36:30
  Speaker 2: me uh, less than the number of times I need
• 1:36:32
  Speaker 2: to get up. So sometimes if I'm lucky, I'll sleep
• 1:36:34
  Speaker 2: the entire night. And then other times, like probably half
• 1:36:37
  Speaker 2: the nights, you know, I'll get up once. Um, but yeah,
• 1:36:40
  Speaker 2: I tried to stop fluid, uh, towards the end of
• 1:36:42
  Speaker 2: the day to stop getting up at night.
• 1:36:44
  Speaker 1: So you'll stop it kind of right after you eat dinner. Yeah.
• 1:36:47
  Speaker 2: So I, well, actually I eat dinner at like 11
• 1:36:49
  Speaker 2: AM noon. I have my final meal of the day
• 1:36:52
  Speaker 2: around noon.
• 1:36:53
  Speaker 1: Oh, you do. Yeah. And when do you have your
• 1:36:55
  Speaker 1: first meal then?
• 1:36:56
  Speaker 2: Uh, when I wake up at six.
• 1:36:58
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 1:36:58
  Speaker 2: I wake up like at four or five. Like, four
• 1:36:59
  Speaker 2: or five and then I'll have breakfast before I eat.
• 1:37:02
  Speaker 1: So you eat breakfast. Yeah. It's like so many things
• 1:37:04
  Speaker 1: that are like, don't eat breakfast. I feel better when
• 1:37:06
  Speaker 1: I don't eat breakfast and I eat later in the
• 1:37:08
  Speaker 1: day and I keep it into a smaller eating window,
• 1:37:10
  Speaker 1: but you don't, that's not your practice. Yeah.
• 1:37:12
  Speaker 2: Like do your thing, right?
• 1:37:13
  Speaker 1: You're saying do your thing.
• 1:37:14
  Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly.
• 1:37:15
  Speaker 1: I do your thing.
• 1:37:16
  Speaker 2: But I like what I, I built my life around
• 1:37:19
  Speaker 2: sleep like unquestionably. So the reason I do that is
• 1:37:23
  Speaker 2: because if I have my last meal around noon, my
• 1:37:27
  Speaker 2: heart before, part before I go to bed, will be
• 1:37:29
  Speaker 2: around 41, 42, 43 beats per minute, which if I
• 1:37:33
  Speaker 2: have that, I will have a perfect night's sleep. I'll
• 1:37:36
  Speaker 2: get like four to four and a half hours of
• 1:37:38
  Speaker 2: restorative sleep. I'll fall asleep within one minute. I'll, you know,
• 1:37:43
  Speaker 2: half the nights I will not get up. Other nights
• 1:37:46
  Speaker 2: I'll wake up, I'll be able to sleep within like
• 1:37:48
  Speaker 2: a minute or two. And so, yeah. And then once
• 1:37:51
  Speaker 2: I have that kind of sleep profile, like I feel
• 1:37:54
  Speaker 2: like I can take on life. When I don't sleep well,
• 1:37:56
  Speaker 2: it just, it's like, Oh, man, it sucks. I hate
• 1:38:00
  Speaker 2: how I feel.
• 1:38:01
  Speaker 1: Everything goes downhill. Everything does. The way I treat other people,
• 1:38:04
  Speaker 1: the way I treat myself, like you're saying. Last night's
• 1:38:07
  Speaker 1: sleep was bad. Might as well wreck the rest of
• 1:38:08
  Speaker 1: the day. There's this regenerative thing that sort of continues
• 1:38:13
  Speaker 1: to happen. Do you take any supplements for sleeping?
• 1:38:18
  Speaker 2: I take 300 MCGs of melatonin. So that's not to
• 1:38:24
  Speaker 2: be confused with a milligram. It is like a third
• 1:38:27
  Speaker 2: of a milligram.
• 1:38:28
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 1:38:28
  Speaker 2: It's a very, very light dose. That's all I take.
• 1:38:30
  Speaker 1: And a powder or chewable or what?
• 1:38:32
  Speaker 2: I take a plant-based melatonin.
• 1:38:34
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:38:35
  Speaker 2: Instead of synthetic. But otherwise, people have their sleep stacks.
• 1:38:38
  Speaker 2: They have the magnesiums and cool. But I just don't
• 1:38:42
  Speaker 2: need it.
• 1:38:43
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:38:43
  Speaker 2: What I've learned is that the body is a clock. Okay.
• 1:38:48
  Speaker 2: It loves consistency. And so we've measured this where your
• 1:38:52
  Speaker 2: body wants to run, it runs certain biochemical processes on
• 1:38:56
  Speaker 2: certain timeframes. So for example, if your bedtime is 10
• 1:38:59
  Speaker 2: PM and you miss it, you say like, I'm going
• 1:39:03
  Speaker 2: to go to bed at 2 AM today, but I'll
• 1:39:06
  Speaker 2: make up for it. I'll sleep in until 10. I
• 1:39:07
  Speaker 2: get my full eight hours. It doesn't work like that.
• 1:39:10
  Speaker 2: So at 10 PM, your body has a trash collector
• 1:39:14
  Speaker 2: that rolls to the body and it picks up the trash.
• 1:39:17
  Speaker 2: If you're not in bed at 10 p.m. and asleep,
• 1:39:20
  Speaker 2: the trash collector doesn't come and the trash accumulates in
• 1:39:23
  Speaker 2: the body. And so it's more important to be on
• 1:39:26
  Speaker 2: time and consistent. Otherwise, like the body's processes can't do
• 1:39:29
  Speaker 2: its thing. So that's what I've learned. It's like you
• 1:39:32
  Speaker 2: have to treat the body like a system. You can't
• 1:39:34
  Speaker 2: just be like, fuck it. I'm going to like power
• 1:39:36
  Speaker 2: over it or like you can't. Like the body runs
• 1:39:39
  Speaker 2: on certain principles of biology. You can't overrule it.
• 1:39:42
  Speaker 1: Yeah. And it kind of makes sense because even your brain,
• 1:39:47
  Speaker 1: like your brain's main job is just to keep things organized.
• 1:39:49
  Speaker 1: Your body just wants to, yeah, a system just wants
• 1:39:52
  Speaker 1: to run in an organized fashion. Yeah, exactly. Yeah.
• 1:39:55
  Speaker 2: Like you were saying, like when we first started talking,
• 1:39:57
  Speaker 2: it's like you have a plan, you have a routine,
• 1:40:00
  Speaker 2: like it feels good. You like, mentally it feels good.
• 1:40:02
  Speaker 2: The body feels good. It's just better to have that.
• 1:40:05
  Speaker 1: I read somewhere that you spend like a couple million
• 1:40:08
  Speaker 1: dollars a year to take care of yourself and to
• 1:40:10
  Speaker 1: learn data and what does that financially look like for
• 1:40:14
  Speaker 1: you really? Is that the truth?
• 1:40:16
  Speaker 2: That was true, I think, initially. I think it's a
• 1:40:18
  Speaker 2: bit less now because we have all these systems built out.
• 1:40:21
  Speaker 2: But the cost primarily came from hiring the doctors, hiring
• 1:40:25
  Speaker 2: the scientists. So we had to comb through all the
• 1:40:28
  Speaker 2: scientific evidence. Like, for example, if you do sauna, how
• 1:40:32
  Speaker 2: do you do sauna?
• 1:40:33
  Speaker 1: What temperature?
• 1:40:34
  Speaker 2: What kind of sauna? How long? Do you ice your
• 1:40:37
  Speaker 2: testicles or not? How do you measure your heat shock proteins,
• 1:40:40
  Speaker 2: like the little minions going out and doing the good shit?
• 1:40:43
  Speaker 2: You have to go to this degree, which is extensive.
• 1:40:46
  Speaker 2: And then I bought a bunch of equipment. I have
• 1:40:48
  Speaker 2: a couple, I don't know, a million or two of
• 1:40:50
  Speaker 2: equipment at the house, all the various things. And then
• 1:40:53
  Speaker 2: just all the money for the experimentation and measurement. But
• 1:40:56
  Speaker 2: the actual things we've learned are low cost. I can
• 1:40:59
  Speaker 2: take everything I've learned and give it to somebody, and
• 1:41:02
  Speaker 2: they can put it into their life at a very,
• 1:41:04
  Speaker 2: very low cost. So it's been really just about... There's actually...
• 1:41:08
  Speaker 2: very few therapies that cost a lot of money that
• 1:41:11
  Speaker 2: are worth like most things don't work. Most things are bullshit.
• 1:41:17
  Speaker 2: And so that's been the process of like spending the
• 1:41:18
  Speaker 2: money to figure out what does work and then how
• 1:41:21
  Speaker 2: those things work.
• 1:41:21
  Speaker 1: What about red light therapy? Do you think that's helpful?
• 1:41:24
  Speaker 2: It's because this is the thing is yes, but you
• 1:41:28
  Speaker 2: have to make sure that you're getting the right amount
• 1:41:30
  Speaker 2: of red light therapy for the right duration of time.
• 1:41:33
  Speaker 2: And so if it's like a face mask of whether
• 1:41:36
  Speaker 2: it's a panel or And so we do things like
• 1:41:38
  Speaker 2: we'll take a panel, we'll measure the irradiance, like how
• 1:41:41
  Speaker 2: much exposure you're getting at what distance, what duration, if
• 1:41:44
  Speaker 2: you're looking for like deep healing or longevity. So again,
• 1:41:46
  Speaker 2: I don't want to make this overly complicated, but it matters.
• 1:41:49
  Speaker 2: And so we try to be very precise. Like if
• 1:41:51
  Speaker 2: you're doing red light therapy, get this dose. And now
• 1:41:54
  Speaker 2: you can just go to an AI model and be like,
• 1:41:56
  Speaker 2: I have this device. It has these specs. If I
• 1:41:59
  Speaker 2: want a longevity protocol, how long should I have this?
• 1:42:01
  Speaker 2: And that gives you the data. But you want to
• 1:42:03
  Speaker 2: be precise because a lot of people think like red
• 1:42:05
  Speaker 2: light's good. I'll just do it and it's great. Like
• 1:42:07
  Speaker 2: it's more nuanced.
• 1:42:08
  Speaker 1: Because I was talking about a naturopath ophthalmologist. Yeah. And
• 1:42:11
  Speaker 1: she was saying that some exposure to red light therapy
• 1:42:14
  Speaker 1: can be helpful. Yeah.
• 1:42:16
  Speaker 2: I do it every day. I do red light. I
• 1:42:17
  Speaker 2: have three panels that surround me. It's red and near light.
• 1:42:22
  Speaker 2: I do it for six minutes a day.
• 1:42:23
  Speaker 1: Okay. So I do it every day.
• 1:42:24
  Speaker 2: It's a good therapy.
• 1:42:25
  Speaker 1: Got it. Um, what about like barometric, those, you know,
• 1:42:28
  Speaker 1: those like barometric chambers, you see a lot of those
• 1:42:31
  Speaker 1: at wellness centers, you know, I'll go to a place
• 1:42:32
  Speaker 1: where I get NAD every week and I'll do NAD
• 1:42:35
  Speaker 1: injections every day. Um, are you, uh, do, is, is
• 1:42:39
  Speaker 1: the barometric thing something you recommend? Yeah.
• 1:42:43
  Speaker 2: So I have a hyperbaric oxygen therapy chamber.
• 1:42:45
  Speaker 1: That's what I mean. Hyperbaric.
• 1:42:46
  Speaker 2: Yeah. So it's, it's potentially, it's, it's right there at
• 1:42:52
  Speaker 2: the very, very top. So I'd say sauna. hyperbaric oxygen
• 1:42:57
  Speaker 2: therapy and like, uh, interestingly, uh, mushrooms, magic mushrooms is
• 1:43:01
  Speaker 2: up there, but yeah, hyperbaric is, uh, one of the
• 1:43:04
  Speaker 2: best therapies like we all do with our experiments. I
• 1:43:06
  Speaker 2: did a 250 biomarker measurement and what we saw after
• 1:43:10
  Speaker 2: 60 sessions, um, yeah, there we go.
• 1:43:13
  Speaker 1: There's the system.
• 1:43:16
  Speaker 2: Um, we, we saw changes in my brain, in my microbiome,
• 1:43:22
  Speaker 2: my skin, My blood, inflammation, telomeres, it just had more
• 1:43:29
  Speaker 2: whole body effects. If you pull up, find the one
• 1:43:32
  Speaker 2: I did on X, Brian Johnson, HBOT summary. It's the
• 1:43:39
  Speaker 2: best skin rejuvenation protocol in the world. It rebuilds collagen,
• 1:43:43
  Speaker 2: elastin fibers. It gets rid of senescent cells, which are
• 1:43:46
  Speaker 2: zombie cells.
• 1:43:47
  Speaker 1: How long do you need to be in there for?
• 1:43:48
  Speaker 2: That's the thing. That's the problem. 90 minutes.
• 1:43:51
  Speaker 1: Per day?
• 1:43:52
  Speaker 2: Per session, and you need to do 60, yeah, there
• 1:43:55
  Speaker 2: we go. That's a good summary. So it does 60 sessions,
• 1:43:59
  Speaker 2: each 90 minutes, in 90 days. So it's a gigantic
• 1:44:04
  Speaker 2: amount of time. Yeah, and you can't have electronics in there.
• 1:44:07
  Speaker 1: It's too dangerous.
• 1:44:08
  Speaker 2: So yeah, this is the thing, it's really inaccessible, which
• 1:44:11
  Speaker 2: is sad, because it's so good.
• 1:44:15
  Speaker 1: 300% increase in formation of new blood vessels, telomerase activity
• 1:44:18
  Speaker 1: of a 12-year-old associated with biological age, 250% to 200
• 1:44:22
  Speaker 1: and 290% increase in short chain fatty acids, but you'd
• 1:44:26
  Speaker 1: have to do this and then keep it up for
• 1:44:27
  Speaker 1: every year, right? Yeah.
• 1:44:29
  Speaker 2: So actually, so people don't really know we're experimenting, but
• 1:44:32
  Speaker 2: right now I'm doing 60 sessions per year in like
• 1:44:35
  Speaker 2: a big burst. And then I'll do like a 20
• 1:44:38
  Speaker 2: session burst once per quarter. And so I'll do this around,
• 1:44:42
  Speaker 2: for example, like a certain treatments, like Thursday, I had
• 1:44:45
  Speaker 2: a bunch of stuff done to my face. So I'm
• 1:44:47
  Speaker 2: beat up. I've got like stuff all over the place.
• 1:44:50
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 1:44:50
  Speaker 2: Like under, I have like bruised.
• 1:44:53
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah. You're a damn lab rat. Yeah. You're a
• 1:44:57
  Speaker 1: damn white mouse. Yeah.
• 1:44:58
  Speaker 2: It's like we, as you age, you, you lose collagen.
• 1:45:03
  Speaker 2: And so your skin like gets saggy and less plump.
• 1:45:07
  Speaker 2: And so I did a bunch of injectables to rebuild
• 1:45:09
  Speaker 2: my collagen.
• 1:45:10
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 1:45:10
  Speaker 2: And so that's why I'm bruised and stuff like that. Um,
• 1:45:13
  Speaker 2: but then you pair that with a hyperbaric oxygen therapy
• 1:45:16
  Speaker 2: and like boost the therapy.
• 1:45:17
  Speaker 1: Got it. So, yeah. But, So that's the thing. So
• 1:45:19
  Speaker 1: say if I'm going to go get an NAD injection
• 1:45:21
  Speaker 1: or an IV every week and it's going to take
• 1:45:22
  Speaker 1: two hours anyway while I sit in there, I might
• 1:45:25
  Speaker 1: as well sit in the hyperbaric while I do it
• 1:45:27
  Speaker 1: if there's one there. Or do you think if I
• 1:45:29
  Speaker 1: only go 50 times in a year, is it even
• 1:45:30
  Speaker 1: worth it?
• 1:45:32
  Speaker 2: I mean, you can do like one session is good
• 1:45:36
  Speaker 2: for you.
• 1:45:36
  Speaker 1: Got it.
• 1:45:37
  Speaker 2: And you can do five also good for you. There's
• 1:45:39
  Speaker 2: like protocols that on healing, like diabetics will do like
• 1:45:43
  Speaker 2: 10 to 20 sessions to close open wounds because it's
• 1:45:46
  Speaker 2: really great for healing. Um, this is just like the
• 1:45:48
  Speaker 2: longevity protocol. So you can do fewer sessions and still
• 1:45:51
  Speaker 2: do it, but you want to have it. Um, it's
• 1:45:54
  Speaker 2: a compounded therapy. So do them in a close proximity,
• 1:45:57
  Speaker 2: but no more than five per week. Your body needs
• 1:45:59
  Speaker 2: to have a break.
• 1:46:00
  Speaker 1: Got it. Yeah. Um, yeah, I saw you did the
• 1:46:02
  Speaker 1: mushroom therapy and that's one of the things that kind
• 1:46:04
  Speaker 1: of brought me like, made me think like, okay, this guy,
• 1:46:07
  Speaker 1: it's not like, you know, this guy's really, he's still
• 1:46:09
  Speaker 1: out there experimenting and wanting to learn more.
• 1:46:11
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 1:46:12
  Speaker 1: Um, What was that therapy like for you? And were
• 1:46:15
  Speaker 1: you surprised by it? And was it psilocybin, I guess,
• 1:46:18
  Speaker 1: and the effects? Yeah.
• 1:46:20
  Speaker 2: This is one of the coolest discoveries we've made is
• 1:46:23
  Speaker 2: psilocybin like sits in the world of psychedelics, but it's
• 1:46:28
  Speaker 2: never been bridged over to longevity. That's a different way
• 1:46:32
  Speaker 2: of thinking about psilocybin and talking about it. And so
• 1:46:36
  Speaker 2: we said, can we do an experiment to see is
• 1:46:39
  Speaker 2: our magic mushrooms a longevity therapy? So same thing, we
• 1:46:42
  Speaker 2: measured 250 biomarkers and the data was insane, surprisingly. So
• 1:46:48
  Speaker 2: like we found this new thing where there were studies
• 1:46:53
  Speaker 2: in mice that showed that the blood glucose improved. In me,
• 1:46:59
  Speaker 2: my blood glucose went from 98.2 percentile in the population, good,
• 1:47:06
  Speaker 2: to 99.8 percentile, I think, something like that. Like it
• 1:47:09
  Speaker 2: almost hit like a metabolic reset in the brain resetting
• 1:47:13
  Speaker 2: your blood glucose regulation, which is gigantic. It took my
• 1:47:17
  Speaker 2: inflammation levels down to undetectable. It had changes in my microbiome.
• 1:47:22
  Speaker 2: I list them all out here. It legit is a
• 1:47:27
  Speaker 2: longevity therapy.
• 1:47:29
  Speaker 1: It reduced inflammation and below detectable. calm my body and mind,
• 1:47:32
  Speaker 1: lower cortisol, inhibited HPA axis in the days following the dose.
• 1:47:37
  Speaker 2: Made neuroplasticity in the brain, like takes your brain to
• 1:47:39
  Speaker 2: a more youthful state. Wow.
• 1:47:40
  Speaker 1: So you guys did a lot of like treatment while
• 1:47:42
  Speaker 1: you were under this. And did you then put this
• 1:47:46
  Speaker 1: into your protocol after that?
• 1:47:48
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:47:49
  Speaker 1: Yep.
• 1:47:49
  Speaker 2: So it's really early days. Nobody knows the ideal protocol,
• 1:47:53
  Speaker 2: but right now it's like once every 30 days seems
• 1:47:57
  Speaker 2: to be about right.
• 1:47:58
  Speaker 1: And how much mushrooms you take in?
• 1:48:00
  Speaker 2: 25 milligrams of psilocybin. So then it depends upon the strain.
• 1:48:06
  Speaker 2: So I did the B positive mushroom strain. So it's
• 1:48:09
  Speaker 2: like four and a half grams of dried mushroom powder,
• 1:48:12
  Speaker 2: which then was the 25 milligrams of psilocybin.
• 1:48:15
  Speaker 1: So that's a real trip kind of.
• 1:48:17
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's clinical grade. It's like, it's just below a... a, uh,
• 1:48:21
  Speaker 2: ego dissolution. Wow.
• 1:48:22
  Speaker 1: So you have to be like in a, say you
• 1:48:24
  Speaker 1: got to chill out somewhere. Yeah.
• 1:48:26
  Speaker 2: You don't want to be at the club.
• 1:48:27
  Speaker 1: Right. Um, and what about, uh, but you, but you,
• 1:48:33
  Speaker 1: but that was so helpful that you now it's part
• 1:48:34
  Speaker 1: of the protocol. Yeah. Wow. Yeah.
• 1:48:37
  Speaker 2: Yeah, we're doing our next psychedelic live stream in three weeks.
• 1:48:42
  Speaker 2: We're doing a new psychedelic. Oh, yeah, this is cool. So, yeah,
• 1:48:44
  Speaker 2: Kate did it with me.
• 1:48:46
  Speaker 1: Oh, your girl did it, and your son did the
• 1:48:47
  Speaker 1: first one?
• 1:48:48
  Speaker 2: No, he just showed up. So at the end of
• 1:48:51
  Speaker 2: when I was coming down, he showed up with my dad.
• 1:48:54
  Speaker 1: Oh, that's crazy.
• 1:48:55
  Speaker 2: Oh, we had such a good family bonding moment, you know, because, like,
• 1:48:57
  Speaker 2: you're in that state, and I was just giddy and euphoric,
• 1:49:00
  Speaker 2: and I was able to express things to my dad.
• 1:49:03
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:49:03
  Speaker 2: Oh, man.
• 1:49:04
  Speaker 1: That's huge.
• 1:49:05
  Speaker 2: And so then, yeah, so we did this. We see
• 1:49:07
  Speaker 2: that temperature, when you take psilocybin, your body changes in
• 1:49:13
  Speaker 2: its thermal regulation. So the extremities get a lot colder,
• 1:49:17
  Speaker 2: you have a lot of heat go inside. So we
• 1:49:19
  Speaker 2: did that as a measurement. But yeah, so we're looking
• 1:49:23
  Speaker 2: at our next psychedelic, because there's like a few things.
• 1:49:27
  Speaker 2: We did psilocybin, but other contenders are ayahuasca, 5-MeO, What
• 1:49:38
  Speaker 2: else did we look at?
• 1:49:39
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:49:39
  Speaker 2: So we're doing one live streaming in three weeks.
• 1:49:42
  Speaker 1: Wow. That's amazing.
• 1:49:43
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:49:44
  Speaker 1: Ayahuasca has been one that you should, I've done it before.
• 1:49:47
  Speaker 1: It's been amazing.
• 1:49:48
  Speaker 2: You should come on. So last, the last time we
• 1:49:50
  Speaker 2: did this, we had people who came on to work.
• 1:49:52
  Speaker 2: So I was tripping and we had a bunch of
• 1:49:55
  Speaker 2: people who were commentators who were like, well, it's good.
• 1:49:58
  Speaker 2: Like almost like fight show stuff. Like, yeah, you should
• 1:50:01
  Speaker 2: come on and be a commentator.
• 1:50:03
  Speaker 1: Dang, bro. That'd be so wild to commentate somebody who's
• 1:50:06
  Speaker 1: going through an ayahuasca experience. I'm not opposed to that.
• 1:50:10
  Speaker 1: Where are you based out of?
• 1:50:11
  Speaker 2: Uh, we'll, we'll do it, um, internationally. So, Oh, you
• 1:50:15
  Speaker 2: have to, I guess.
• 1:50:16
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:50:16
  Speaker 2: But it would just be online.
• 1:50:17
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:50:17
  Speaker 2: It's just like, we just bring you in and it's
• 1:50:19
  Speaker 2: just like, you know, it's like, it'd be fun. Actually,
• 1:50:21
  Speaker 2: it'd be fun to get a few comedians, uh, come
• 1:50:24
  Speaker 2: in like you know give give give their two cents
• 1:50:27
  Speaker 2: i'm like what's going on and are.
• 1:50:29
  Speaker 1: There any psychedelics that you would say are definitively bad
• 1:50:32
  Speaker 1: for your brain.
• 1:50:36
  Speaker 2: I don't know i don't know the answer to.
• 1:50:38
  Speaker 1: That is there any like therapy that you went and
• 1:50:40
  Speaker 1: tried and you were like oh this is definitely not
• 1:50:42
  Speaker 1: it or like was there ever a place where you
• 1:50:44
  Speaker 1: got scared like you went to like um you know,
• 1:50:48
  Speaker 1: Romania or someplace, you know, I'm just hypostasizing, but. Yeah.
• 1:50:51
  Speaker 2: I mean, like if you pull up that image of
• 1:50:52
  Speaker 2: my face, the blow up, you had it up there
• 1:50:54
  Speaker 2: before I, yeah.
• 1:50:57
  Speaker 1: So that's you.
• 1:50:58
  Speaker 2: That's me. Yeah. So I got really skinny in the
• 1:51:03
  Speaker 2: early days of this project, really, really skinny. And I
• 1:51:06
  Speaker 2: lost a bunch of volume in my face. And so
• 1:51:08
  Speaker 2: when you lose volume in your face, it's very hard
• 1:51:11
  Speaker 2: to get back volume. So most people just do filler,
• 1:51:13
  Speaker 2: but I didn't want to do filler because And so
• 1:51:15
  Speaker 2: we did this Renuva, which is this fat. So someone
• 1:51:19
  Speaker 2: else's fat. So I injected it into my face and
• 1:51:21
  Speaker 2: I had a severe reaction. So that didn't work.
• 1:51:26
  Speaker 1: Bro, that's crazy, dude. I saw this earlier and I
• 1:51:30
  Speaker 1: was thinking like, who is this lady that they're bringing up?
• 1:51:33
  Speaker 1: I thought this was like a Native American woman. Yeah,
• 1:51:37
  Speaker 1: that's me. I totally thought this was a Native American woman.
• 1:51:39
  Speaker 2: Yeah, on the far right there, that was me.
• 1:51:41
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:51:43
  Speaker 2: Like 45 minutes after the injection, I was like, oh shit,
• 1:51:47
  Speaker 2: this is not a good situation. It took me like
• 1:51:49
  Speaker 2: six days to calm down.
• 1:51:51
  Speaker 1: It was bad. That's pretty scary, dude. Spending all this
• 1:51:55
  Speaker 1: time working on yourself, right? How do you stay out
• 1:51:58
  Speaker 1: of like ego with it? Because it's such a self,
• 1:52:00
  Speaker 1: you know, in the end there's a, there's some ego
• 1:52:03
  Speaker 1: cause it's you, you're the, you're your own experiment, you know?
• 1:52:07
  Speaker 1: And then what are some of the, like, what does
• 1:52:10
  Speaker 1: it cost you? Like what have been some of the
• 1:52:11
  Speaker 1: things like, Have there been relationships you haven't been able
• 1:52:13
  Speaker 1: to have? Like, has it been tough to like spend
• 1:52:17
  Speaker 1: time with family? Like what are some things, what are
• 1:52:18
  Speaker 1: the side effects of being like, you know, one of
• 1:52:21
  Speaker 1: the biggest experiments in history?
• 1:52:25
  Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean, that's like one of the primary criticisms
• 1:52:28
  Speaker 2: I get is people say, you know, bro's so busy
• 1:52:31
  Speaker 2: trying to not die, he forgot how to live. And
• 1:52:35
  Speaker 2: I understand what they're saying. I definitely understand the perspective.
• 1:52:38
  Speaker 2: And I view myself as a modern day explorer. You know,
• 1:52:42
  Speaker 2: like somebody who is out there on the frontier trying
• 1:52:45
  Speaker 2: to discover something new. And like, man, I fucking love
• 1:52:49
  Speaker 2: this so much. I love this game so much. I'm
• 1:52:54
  Speaker 2: into it. Like when I wake up in the morning,
• 1:52:56
  Speaker 2: it's the first thing I think about all day long.
• 1:52:58
  Speaker 2: Like what is the experiment? What is the data? What
• 1:53:00
  Speaker 2: is the science? I love it. And so I think
• 1:53:03
  Speaker 2: people just don't understand that it's a game I'm in
• 1:53:06
  Speaker 2: love with. And so, you know, is there a cost? Yes.
• 1:53:10
  Speaker 2: Like my friends going out, And doing things sometimes that
• 1:53:13
  Speaker 2: I don't do.
• 1:53:14
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 1:53:15
  Speaker 2: But do I feel a loss?
• 1:53:15
  Speaker 1: No.
• 1:53:16
  Speaker 2: Like I'm very happy with the situation. And so like,
• 1:53:18
  Speaker 2: in some ways, like I'm, I'm a new kind of athlete.
• 1:53:21
  Speaker 2: I'm a professional rejuvenation athlete. Like LeBron goes to bed
• 1:53:25
  Speaker 2: on time. He eats well. And we're like, go man.
• 1:53:27
  Speaker 2: Like you, you play well on the court. People just
• 1:53:29
  Speaker 2: don't understand. I'm a new archetype. They haven't ever seen
• 1:53:32
  Speaker 2: it before. So it's like, just like a disconnect between that.
• 1:53:35
  Speaker 2: It is cool. Like I love the hate. It's like
• 1:53:37
  Speaker 2: great energy, right? Like it's just a lot of discussion.
• 1:53:39
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and there's just a lot of confusion around it,
• 1:53:41
  Speaker 1: you know?
• 1:53:41
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah.
• 1:53:42
  Speaker 1: I think. You just don't know, especially at a time
• 1:53:44
  Speaker 1: when there's like these tech lords who it seems like
• 1:53:47
  Speaker 1: they want to like siphon everybody's androchronome or whatever. Have
• 1:53:51
  Speaker 1: you had anybody hit you up about getting some adrenochrome
• 1:53:54
  Speaker 1: or whatever? Yeah.
• 1:53:57
  Speaker 2: Everybody has reached out to me.
• 1:54:00
  Speaker 1: Like, everybody. Top to bottom. You name it.
• 1:54:02
  Speaker 2: And like, it's just like, what, you know, What gives
• 1:54:09
  Speaker 2: you a feeling of power? You know, like money, status,
• 1:54:14
  Speaker 2: or immortality? Like, immortality, right? The other thing- They just
• 1:54:19
  Speaker 2: don't care. It's like, they just don't- This is what
• 1:54:20
  Speaker 2: I'm saying. Like, this transition's happening. What good is money
• 1:54:25
  Speaker 2: if you're dead? What good is status if you're dead?
• 1:54:28
  Speaker 1: Any world leaders reached out?
• 1:54:30
  Speaker 2: Yes. Yeah, so it's just like- What world do you
• 1:54:33
  Speaker 2: think they're from? I mean, they all want it. They
• 1:54:37
  Speaker 2: all want to be healthy. Any world leader just hits
• 1:54:39
  Speaker 2: you up straight up, call you right up. Yeah.
• 1:54:42
  Speaker 1: Wow. Yeah, yeah.
• 1:54:43
  Speaker 2: I mean, it's like from every.
• 1:54:45
  Speaker 1: Are you at liberty to say or no? I can't, yeah.
• 1:54:47
  Speaker 1: That's okay.
• 1:54:48
  Speaker 2: I had to ask. Yeah, I mean, there was like
• 1:54:51
  Speaker 2: this moment where Xi Jinping and Putin, they had this
• 1:54:54
  Speaker 2: hot mic issue a couple months ago where they're both like, yeah,
• 1:54:58
  Speaker 2: it looks like we should be able to live to
• 1:55:01
  Speaker 2: 150 years old.
• 1:55:01
  Speaker 1: I remember that. Yeah.
• 1:55:02
  Speaker 2: So it's like, it's on their minds. It's clearly in
• 1:55:05
  Speaker 2: the zeitgeist. And if you're in that circle, As I've
• 1:55:08
  Speaker 2: watched this, it's funny. In the world of status and power,
• 1:55:13
  Speaker 2: the new status marker is health. That's what gives people power.
• 1:55:18
  Speaker 2: And now having a big bank account, sure, it's cool, whatever,
• 1:55:21
  Speaker 2: but it doesn't matter as much. So it really is
• 1:55:24
  Speaker 2: this big zeitgeist change on what it means to be
• 1:55:28
  Speaker 2: powerful in society and have status.
• 1:55:29
  Speaker 1: So I love seeing it. The more that happens, the
• 1:55:32
  Speaker 1: better off. Do you have competitors out there? Are there
• 1:55:35
  Speaker 1: other you's out there that you start to run across
• 1:55:37
  Speaker 1: from different realms or different countries or whatever?
• 1:55:39
  Speaker 2: I mean, like anyone who's trying, I love it. Like
• 1:55:42
  Speaker 2: I'm a very much a yes and kind of guy.
• 1:55:44
  Speaker 2: Like anyone's out there experimenting.
• 1:55:46
  Speaker 1: Great.
• 1:55:47
  Speaker 2: You know, like do your thing, be beautiful. So yeah,
• 1:55:50
  Speaker 2: I really tried to encourage everybody. People will call me
• 1:55:53
  Speaker 2: and they'll be like, I'm going to beat you at
• 1:55:55
  Speaker 2: your markers.
• 1:55:55
  Speaker 1: I'm like, great. I will help you.
• 1:55:57
  Speaker 2: Like I will make you better. Like I will, you
• 1:55:59
  Speaker 2: will have to make the same mistakes I have. So
• 1:56:01
  Speaker 2: it's like, we're just, when you think about it, we are,
• 1:56:07
  Speaker 2: the whole situation is so fucked up. We're on planet
• 1:56:09
  Speaker 2: earth in the middle of space. What is even going on?
• 1:56:13
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 1:56:14
  Speaker 2: And it's like, this is so crazy. And like the
• 1:56:16
  Speaker 2: fact that we're conscious is so cool. The fact that
• 1:56:19
  Speaker 2: we're alive is so amazing. Like, why wouldn't we do
• 1:56:22
  Speaker 2: absolutely everything in our power to keep this game going? Like,
• 1:56:26
  Speaker 2: I don't want it to stop. And so like, to me,
• 1:56:28
  Speaker 2: it's the coolest game. And so, yeah, it's like celebrate
• 1:56:30
  Speaker 2: everybody who's trying to embrace life. And like, honestly get
• 1:56:34
  Speaker 2: fucking rid of everybody who's trying to kill us. Like
• 1:56:37
  Speaker 2: stop it. Stop the fucking killing. It's so crazy and stupid.
• 1:56:41
  Speaker 1: Have you had to separate some relationships because your journey
• 1:56:43
  Speaker 1: went in this direction? Kind of. Yep.
• 1:56:44
  Speaker 2: My, my friends are more like me than I ever
• 1:56:50
  Speaker 2: would have guessed. Now, like they go to bed on time, right? They,
• 1:56:53
  Speaker 2: they see it. Um, so I'd say my friend group,
• 1:56:56
  Speaker 2: we now do things together. And, uh, so no, I
• 1:56:59
  Speaker 2: don't miss out much. Like there's, there's some things like,
• 1:57:01
  Speaker 2: for example, um, Grimes did a DJ set. And she
• 1:57:08
  Speaker 2: started at 1. So I went to bed at 7 p.m.
• 1:57:11
  Speaker 2: I woke up at 9.30 p.m. And then I went out,
• 1:57:15
  Speaker 2: did her set with her, then went back to bed.
• 1:57:18
  Speaker 2: I did it with Aoki as well. So I've been
• 1:57:20
  Speaker 2: trying to be balanced. Be rigid. Also, the rest of
• 1:57:24
  Speaker 2: the world parties at 1 o'clock in the morning. And
• 1:57:27
  Speaker 2: I still have a great sleep score. I still got
• 1:57:29
  Speaker 2: my restorative sleep. I have tried my best It's like
• 1:57:32
  Speaker 2: go after this goal of don't die, but also like
• 1:57:34
  Speaker 2: try to find some compromise in doing things that are
• 1:57:38
  Speaker 2: currently normal in today's society.
• 1:57:39
  Speaker 1: Do you feel addicted to wanting to not die?
• 1:57:44
  Speaker 2: I mean, probably, right? Like the same way like are
• 1:57:48
  Speaker 2: people addicted to making money? Yeah. Are people addicted to
• 1:57:52
  Speaker 2: social media?
• 1:57:52
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:57:53
  Speaker 2: Like the human condition is kind of addiction. And so
• 1:57:56
  Speaker 2: like am I– Yeah, I'm lost in this. I don't
• 1:57:59
  Speaker 2: think I've ever felt as satisfied and fulfilled as I
• 1:58:02
  Speaker 2: do now.
• 1:58:03
  Speaker 1: Wow.
• 1:58:03
  Speaker 2: I've got a fantastic family. I have a fantastic partner.
• 1:58:06
  Speaker 2: I love the game I'm playing. I went through 10
• 1:58:11
  Speaker 2: years of chronic depression. Legit wanted to kill myself. I
• 1:58:16
  Speaker 2: would have done it had it not been for my kids.
• 1:58:18
  Speaker 2: I know what shitty feels like. You're so buried deep
• 1:58:21
  Speaker 2: and it's like, I don't know how I'm going to
• 1:58:23
  Speaker 2: get out of this. It's just bad.
• 1:58:25
  Speaker 1: What started the cause of that, do you think?
• 1:58:28
  Speaker 2: I had a couple of things. One, I just had
• 1:58:30
  Speaker 2: my first baby and he was colicky. And so we
• 1:58:32
  Speaker 2: weren't sleeping. It was like six months of total sleep deprivation.
• 1:58:36
  Speaker 2: I was building a startup. So I had no money.
• 1:58:38
  Speaker 2: I was stressed out of my mind. My partner wasn't working.
• 1:58:41
  Speaker 2: So I was the sole provider. And so it's just
• 1:58:44
  Speaker 2: like no sleep and startup and no money. And like,
• 1:58:48
  Speaker 2: I think it just got me. And then once it
• 1:58:49
  Speaker 2: got me, it's very hard to wrestle your way out
• 1:58:53
  Speaker 2: of it when my circumstances didn't change. I still had
• 1:58:55
  Speaker 2: no money. I still had to make my, my startup work.
• 1:58:58
  Speaker 2: And so then I just got deeper and deeper and
• 1:59:01
  Speaker 2: then like, it just kind of cascaded into like really
• 1:59:03
  Speaker 2: bad shit. So, um, I'm, I'm so grateful I didn't
• 1:59:06
  Speaker 2: commit suicide, you know?
• 1:59:08
  Speaker 1: So how much does the, uh, you take care of
• 1:59:11
  Speaker 1: yourself so much physically, you have so much information about that.
• 1:59:14
  Speaker 1: How much, uh, how much are you able to, um,
• 1:59:17
  Speaker 1: attach your mental to that as well? Or what do
• 1:59:19
  Speaker 1: you notice about the physical mental relationship? Yeah.
• 1:59:22
  Speaker 2: That if, when people, so Right now, if somebody is
• 1:59:27
  Speaker 2: suffering from anxiety, depression, or something else, the first move
• 1:59:31
  Speaker 2: mostly is to take a pill, right? Get on some
• 1:59:34
  Speaker 2: kind of.
• 1:59:35
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:59:36
  Speaker 2: And so the first move is really to fix your sleep.
• 1:59:42
  Speaker 2: And the way to fix your sleep is to lower
• 1:59:43
  Speaker 2: your heart rate. Lower the heart rate, you have your
• 1:59:45
  Speaker 2: last meal of the day, like do all these different steps. Now,
• 1:59:48
  Speaker 2: that's not going to fix everybody's issues. But having good
• 1:59:52
  Speaker 2: sleep in place is the... the most powerful thing anybody
• 1:59:55
  Speaker 2: can do in their life on any condition. And then
• 1:59:58
  Speaker 2: once you have that in place, like, if you need
• 2:00:00
  Speaker 2: to look at other options, cool. But most of the time,
• 2:00:02
  Speaker 2: people don't look at the very basic things like, are
• 2:00:06
  Speaker 2: you going to bed on time? Like, when are you
• 2:00:07
  Speaker 2: eating that last meal? What's your heart rate? So, I
• 2:00:10
  Speaker 2: have found that when my body is operating well, my
• 2:00:15
  Speaker 2: mind operates well. It's a very symbiotic relationship that you
• 2:00:19
  Speaker 2: literally are what you consume. You know, social media, food,
• 2:00:23
  Speaker 2: all the above. And so, I don't talk about mental
• 2:00:25
  Speaker 2: health as directly. I talk about get the basics right
• 2:00:29
  Speaker 2: and you see the boost in your mental health. Like
• 2:00:32
  Speaker 2: if I talk to entrepreneurs, I'll say in the room,
• 2:00:34
  Speaker 2: like over half of you are in a current mental
• 2:00:39
  Speaker 2: health crisis and the room always goes dead quiet. They
• 2:00:44
  Speaker 2: know I'm right. I see it in their eyes, right?
• 2:00:46
  Speaker 2: Like they had a happy face on, they're like smiling, like, yeah,
• 2:00:50
  Speaker 2: I've got this going on, but inside they're dying. Yeah.
• 2:00:54
  Speaker 2: And you know you can feel it. And so when
• 2:00:55
  Speaker 2: I say that and I puncture it, and it's like,
• 2:00:57
  Speaker 2: that's true. Like, you guys, like, it's not good to
• 2:01:03
  Speaker 2: build a company when you're suicidal.
• 2:01:05
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 2:01:06
  Speaker 2: Like, no one's winning here. So, like, get your shit together.
• 2:01:09
  Speaker 2: You can build a great company. You can be ambitious.
• 2:01:11
  Speaker 2: You can be epic. Like, sleep. And, like, so that's really,
• 2:01:15
  Speaker 2: I mean, I wish somebody would have been in my
• 2:01:16
  Speaker 2: life to tell me that. Like, hey, man, I see
• 2:01:18
  Speaker 2: you're ambitious. Like, you have big plans for life. But, like,
• 2:01:20
  Speaker 2: let me just kind of help you get some basics right.
• 2:01:22
  Speaker 1: Yeah, having somebody mitigate, having somebody help you set some parameters,
• 2:01:25
  Speaker 1: it's just so hard, and it's hard to believe. It's like,
• 2:01:27
  Speaker 1: you know, I remember grinding so hard for a few years,
• 2:01:29
  Speaker 1: and I had like a mental breakdown kind of, like
• 2:01:31
  Speaker 1: this was about four or five years ago. I almost
• 2:01:33
  Speaker 1: literally felt something snap in my brain. Yes, me too.
• 2:01:35
  Speaker 2: You remember the day, that moment?
• 2:01:37
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I remember. Yeah, I do remember. I had some
• 2:01:41
  Speaker 1: shows that were in, they were up in California. Yeah,
• 2:01:45
  Speaker 1: and I literally had to cancel them the day of.
• 2:01:48
  Speaker 1: Never had to do that in my life. I said,
• 2:01:50
  Speaker 1: if I have to walk out there I, I, I
• 2:01:53
  Speaker 1: physically cannot do it anymore. And the whole time before that,
• 2:01:57
  Speaker 1: I thought that I just wasn't trying hard enough.
• 2:01:59
  Speaker 2: Yeah. A hundred percent.
• 2:02:00
  Speaker 1: Yeah. I, I would mirror your experience. I had the
• 2:02:03
  Speaker 1: same thing.
• 2:02:03
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 2:02:04
  Speaker 1: What'd you do? Did you have to go to therapy
• 2:02:06
  Speaker 1: or something?
• 2:02:07
  Speaker 2: No, I was in the parking lot in Orem, Utah
• 2:02:10
  Speaker 2: with my brother in a red Saturn. And I said,
• 2:02:13
  Speaker 2: he was my business partner at the time. And I said, Jason,
• 2:02:18
  Speaker 2: I was talking to him about like, I'm feeling depressed.
• 2:02:20
  Speaker 2: I just like, can't quite do things. And in that conversation,
• 2:02:24
  Speaker 2: something like snapped. Like I almost like physically heard a
• 2:02:28
  Speaker 2: snap and I'm like, something just broke in my brain.
• 2:02:33
  Speaker 2: And my brother was like, just try harder, right? Like
• 2:02:36
  Speaker 2: he wasn't, I don't think he understood. If you haven't
• 2:02:39
  Speaker 2: been depressed, you don't know. But like, I will never
• 2:02:41
  Speaker 2: ever forget that moment. It was like 5.30 in the evening.
• 2:02:44
  Speaker 2: It was just sun setting. And that put me on
• 2:02:48
  Speaker 2: a 10 year long hole. And so like, you know,
• 2:02:52
  Speaker 2: I'm so empathetic to people. Like I, it is so
• 2:02:56
  Speaker 2: much more common than, than we talk, than like people
• 2:02:59
  Speaker 2: talk about.
• 2:02:59
  Speaker 1: I do think that, like you said earlier, that when
• 2:03:02
  Speaker 1: you said a lot, like you were in a, in
• 2:03:03
  Speaker 1: that meeting and you said a lot of people here are, uh,
• 2:03:06
  Speaker 1: are struggling or barely holding on i do think that
• 2:03:09
  Speaker 1: that that kind of thing is the truth that like
• 2:03:12
  Speaker 1: we're all just in this space where we're pretty close
• 2:03:15
  Speaker 1: to exactly yeah we're just holding on.
• 2:03:18
  Speaker 2: Yeah that's a much better way of saying it but like.
• 2:03:20
  Speaker 1: But then we're so used to surviving at that space
• 2:03:23
  Speaker 1: too you start to think that that's supposed to be.
• 2:03:24
  Speaker 2: The norm and it's not exactly right yeah yeah it's
• 2:03:27
  Speaker 2: very real and like it hurts and it sucks it's
• 2:03:30
  Speaker 2: no safe place to go like Who do you tell
• 2:03:32
  Speaker 2: this about? Is it safe? Is it not? Will you
• 2:03:34
  Speaker 2: be penalized? So it's tough. And then the world is
• 2:03:37
  Speaker 2: so brutal on you. You can't trust anyone. Everyone's after you.
• 2:03:40
  Speaker 2: Tough space. Yeah.
• 2:03:42
  Speaker 1: And the truth is probably just say, what is going on? Yeah.
• 2:03:46
  Speaker 1: But it's so hard. Last question. With AI, and things
• 2:03:52
  Speaker 1: are happening so fast and differently now, do you think
• 2:03:55
  Speaker 1: that that will have a large effect on us on
• 2:04:01
  Speaker 1: don't die on how we can live on the possibility
• 2:04:04
  Speaker 1: to live forever or to have a longer life expectancy.
• 2:04:08
  Speaker 1: And do you use AI with your own data to help, um,
• 2:04:12
  Speaker 1: create any, uh, sort of real information? Yeah.
• 2:04:15
  Speaker 2: This, well, what a lot of people don't know is
• 2:04:18
  Speaker 2: this entire project I'm doing is about AI. It's not
• 2:04:23
  Speaker 2: about health. And so like, what do you mean?
• 2:04:27
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 2:04:27
  Speaker 2: So I did this, um, When I was 21 years old,
• 2:04:31
  Speaker 2: I had this ambition that I wanted to do something
• 2:04:35
  Speaker 2: that would be useful to the human race. That was
• 2:04:37
  Speaker 2: my ambition. I don't know why, but I really cared
• 2:04:39
  Speaker 2: about being useful to humanity. I didn't know what to do.
• 2:04:41
  Speaker 2: I wasn't good at anything. I was kind of shitty
• 2:04:44
  Speaker 2: at most everything. And so I said, okay, I'm going
• 2:04:46
  Speaker 2: to become an entrepreneur. I'm going to make a whole
• 2:04:47
  Speaker 2: bunch of money. Then by age 30, with money, I'm
• 2:04:49
  Speaker 2: going to do something epic in the world. And so
• 2:04:52
  Speaker 2: I did that. By 34 years old, I sold my
• 2:04:54
  Speaker 2: company for $ 800 million. But at 34, I was burnt
• 2:04:57
  Speaker 2: to a crisp. I just smoked. And so I needed
• 2:05:04
  Speaker 2: to recover. And so, but then I had basically this
• 2:05:06
  Speaker 2: quite open question, like now I have money, what do
• 2:05:08
  Speaker 2: you do? And so when you have basically unlimited optionality
• 2:05:11
  Speaker 2: in the world, so I spent 10 years trying to
• 2:05:14
  Speaker 2: figure that out. And I did one thought experiment, which
• 2:05:17
  Speaker 2: really helped bring clarity, is I imagined traveling in time
• 2:05:23
  Speaker 2: to the year 2500. So a few hundred years into
• 2:05:25
  Speaker 2: the future, And there you are sitting among those that exist. Like,
• 2:05:31
  Speaker 2: are they human? Are they AI? We don't know. But
• 2:05:33
  Speaker 2: there they are talking. And they're reflecting on the early
• 2:05:36
  Speaker 2: 21st century, our time. And they're saying, we appreciate Homo
• 2:05:41
  Speaker 2: sapiens that lived in the early 21st century because they
• 2:05:44
  Speaker 2: did blank that allowed intelligence to still exist in the universe.
• 2:05:48
  Speaker 2: What'd they do? They didn't destroy themselves. And I thought
• 2:05:51
  Speaker 2: about that question for years. I think they say two things.
• 2:05:55
  Speaker 2: One is they say that's when Homo sapiens gave birth
• 2:05:59
  Speaker 2: to superintelligence. The second thing they say is they say
• 2:06:03
  Speaker 2: the second thing that they'd figured out is that they
• 2:06:07
  Speaker 2: wouldn't die. That they transformed society from a culture of die,
• 2:06:14
  Speaker 2: of like, I will pillage you for my profit, or
• 2:06:18
  Speaker 2: I will yolo my way to death to exchange for this,
• 2:06:20
  Speaker 2: to existence itself as is the highest value. There's nothing
• 2:06:25
  Speaker 2: more valuable than existence. And we will do anything to
• 2:06:29
  Speaker 2: fight for our existence. And so the principles we talked
• 2:06:32
  Speaker 2: about today of like care, like our society would be
• 2:06:36
  Speaker 2: better off if we really cared for each other, if
• 2:06:39
  Speaker 2: you really could trust each other, like genuinely trust. And
• 2:06:43
  Speaker 2: so what I'm trying to do technically is when you,
• 2:06:48
  Speaker 2: it's like pretty technical, entropy is the final boss of
• 2:06:53
  Speaker 2: the universe. So entropy is the disorder of things, the
• 2:06:55
  Speaker 2: second law of thermodynamics. So eventually, like a warm cup
• 2:06:59
  Speaker 2: of coffee goes cold, suns burn out, bodies die. Like
• 2:07:03
  Speaker 2: things just naturally decay. And so the number one enemy
• 2:07:08
  Speaker 2: of the universe is decay and disorder. And life is
• 2:07:13
  Speaker 2: a rebellion against disorder. Like we somehow survive. And so
• 2:07:16
  Speaker 2: what I'm trying to build, like my whole goal is
• 2:07:19
  Speaker 2: to say, as a species, our number one goal is
• 2:07:24
  Speaker 2: to build a new antientropic system, like a new life
• 2:07:28
  Speaker 2: system that makes fighting for life the number one goal
• 2:07:31
  Speaker 2: for all things. And you can measure entropy or death
• 2:07:36
  Speaker 2: in all things. You can measure it in a physical system,
• 2:07:38
  Speaker 2: you can measure it in a biological system, but you
• 2:07:40
  Speaker 2: can basically build it computationally. So that's like a whole
• 2:07:44
  Speaker 2: bunch of stuff, but the goal is you can measure death,
• 2:07:48
  Speaker 2: you can build protections against death, You can do it
• 2:07:50
  Speaker 2: in the body. You can do it in physical systems.
• 2:07:54
  Speaker 2: You can align yourself with AI. It's like, it's a
• 2:07:57
  Speaker 2: new ideology.
• 2:07:58
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 2:08:00
  Speaker 2: It to become the fastest growing ideology in human history,
• 2:08:04
  Speaker 2: that it helps you understand existence. And it's competitive with
• 2:08:08
  Speaker 2: any major ideology. So there's like, I need like honest,
• 2:08:12
  Speaker 2: like 60 minutes to explain it. Cause I know it's like,
• 2:08:14
  Speaker 2: I just jammed it up, but it's basically a new
• 2:08:17
  Speaker 2: way to exist that like reframes our reality.
• 2:08:20
  Speaker 1: Well, I do understand what you're saying in the sense
• 2:08:22
  Speaker 1: that a lot of history, people have lived as if
• 2:08:26
  Speaker 1: we die. Yeah. Right?
• 2:08:28
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 2:08:28
  Speaker 1: Okay. One day we die. There's an afterlife. You can
• 2:08:30
  Speaker 1: live forever somewhere else. You can live extensively somewhere else.
• 2:08:33
  Speaker 1: But then to have this concept and to really live
• 2:08:38
  Speaker 1: as if don't die. Yes. Then now how do you live? Yes. Right.
• 2:08:43
  Speaker 1: And that's a whole reframing of things. Exactly right.
• 2:08:45
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 2:08:46
  Speaker 1: But I do understand that. That once you reframe it,
• 2:08:49
  Speaker 1: it's like, oh, wow. Well, a lot more of, yeah,
• 2:08:54
  Speaker 1: if the afterlife or a lot of it can be here.
• 2:08:57
  Speaker 2: Yes, exactly.
• 2:08:58
  Speaker 1: Then what rules change for me? What rules change in
• 2:09:03
  Speaker 1: the world? And how does it affect how I play
• 2:09:06
  Speaker 1: the game?
• 2:09:07
  Speaker 2: Exactly right. And like the thing called don't die is that.
• 2:09:10
  Speaker 2: you can be Christian and don't die. You can be
• 2:09:13
  Speaker 2: Muslim and don't die. You can be capitalist and don't die.
• 2:09:15
  Speaker 2: You can be anything and don't die because don't die
• 2:09:17
  Speaker 2: just says, nobody wants to die right now. It says
• 2:09:22
  Speaker 2: nothing about five years from now or 20 years from now.
• 2:09:25
  Speaker 2: The single thing that every human agrees to in this moment,
• 2:09:29
  Speaker 2: one thing, nobody wants to die right now.
• 2:09:32
  Speaker 1: That's it.
• 2:09:33
  Speaker 2: After that, there's no agreement on anything. And so if
• 2:09:35
  Speaker 2: you build artificial super intelligence, you're like, what do you
• 2:09:38
  Speaker 2: do with it? It's like, help me make more money,
• 2:09:41
  Speaker 2: help me become better at war, like help me acquire
• 2:09:43
  Speaker 2: more power. Like what I'm saying is the obvious answer,
• 2:09:46
  Speaker 2: we say to AI, we want to exist. Right. That's
• 2:09:51
  Speaker 2: our goal. We don't want to destroy ourselves. We don't
• 2:09:54
  Speaker 2: want to die individually. This is not saying we want immortality.
• 2:09:56
  Speaker 2: It's saying we don't want to die right now. So
• 2:09:59
  Speaker 2: you're trying to basically just get a peace accord with
• 2:10:02
  Speaker 2: all humans and all AI and say, can we just
• 2:10:05
  Speaker 2: strike a deal where we have the right to exist?
• 2:10:09
  Speaker 1: Hmm.
• 2:10:10
  Speaker 2: It's like the United States said, like, you know, life,
• 2:10:13
  Speaker 2: living the pursuit of happiness, the new constitution for our
• 2:10:17
  Speaker 2: new species is the right to exist. And that's what
• 2:10:21
  Speaker 2: this whole thing is about. It's just like the very
• 2:10:23
  Speaker 2: basic primal desire. I want to take one more breath.
• 2:10:28
  Speaker 1: Cause we've almost grandfathered ourselves into this, that we don't,
• 2:10:32
  Speaker 1: that we can't.
• 2:10:33
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's right. Exactly. It's like, If you don't state
• 2:10:36
  Speaker 2: that as the objective, then you point it at profit.
• 2:10:39
  Speaker 2: If you point it at profit, you inevitably have the
• 2:10:43
  Speaker 2: temptation of saying, I'm going to take your life for
• 2:10:46
  Speaker 2: my profit. I'm going to give you food that poisons
• 2:10:48
  Speaker 2: you but makes me money. It feels like where we're
• 2:10:50
  Speaker 2: at now.
• 2:10:50
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it feels like we're definitely part of a, you go,
• 2:10:53
  Speaker 1: all right, I'll give you this, then you go here,
• 2:10:54
  Speaker 1: then you spend there, and then you go to this.
• 2:10:58
  Speaker 1: Brian Johnson, thanks so much, man.
• 2:11:00
  Speaker 2: Love it, man.
• 2:11:01
  Speaker 1: It's great, bro.
• 2:11:01
  Speaker 2: It's so much fun.
• 2:11:02
  Speaker 1: Yeah, this is super interesting, man.
• 2:11:05
  Speaker 2: Can you imagine now a stand-up act that would just
• 2:11:08
  Speaker 2: rip me? Yeah, well, I think I could think of
• 2:11:12
  Speaker 2: a couple of things.
• 2:11:12
  Speaker 1: I could think, one, you being on a great roast
• 2:11:14
  Speaker 1: over there. And that's one thing they do at Kill Tony.
• 2:11:17
  Speaker 1: Everybody roasts everybody. So it's like this thing. You're just
• 2:11:19
  Speaker 1: part of the universe, you know? And then I could
• 2:11:23
  Speaker 1: think of, yeah, if there was like a dope roast
• 2:11:27
  Speaker 1: and you were one of the people on it, people
• 2:11:29
  Speaker 1: would have the best joke. I bet it just adds
• 2:11:31
  Speaker 1: a lot of fun. So I appreciate you having a
• 2:11:33
  Speaker 1: sense of humor about it. What are the, what is
• 2:11:35
  Speaker 1: a cheat day? Like, do you ever just want to unwind?
• 2:11:38
  Speaker 1: I did see you had a photo of like the fourth,
• 2:11:40
  Speaker 1: like a fourth meal or something that you had that
• 2:11:42
  Speaker 1: was up on social media the other day. Yeah. There
• 2:11:45
  Speaker 1: you are just geeked out right there. Yeah.
• 2:11:48
  Speaker 2: I'm trolling.
• 2:11:49
  Speaker 1: Oh, you're just trolling there.
• 2:11:50
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 2:11:50
  Speaker 1: Okay. Got it.
• 2:11:50
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 2:11:51
  Speaker 1: There's some Taco Bell.
• 2:11:53
  Speaker 2: I said, decided to live a little because like, you know,
• 2:11:56
  Speaker 2: like it's funny because people are always like, bro, live
• 2:11:59
  Speaker 2: a little. But then what they're saying is, I want
• 2:12:01
  Speaker 2: you to die to show me you're alive. And so like, right.
• 2:12:05
  Speaker 2: It's just like, it's fun.
• 2:12:06
  Speaker 1: It's kind of true. Live a little in some ways.
• 2:12:09
  Speaker 1: If we look at it, especially diet, dietitian, diet, dietetically
• 2:12:13
  Speaker 1: or whatever, we're saying, yeah, man, dial, you know? Yeah.
• 2:12:17
  Speaker 1: Take the, take the, you know, die some. Yeah.
• 2:12:20
  Speaker 2: They want me to die. So I just, I like
• 2:12:21
  Speaker 2: all things. I really enjoy playing. People have a lot
• 2:12:23
  Speaker 2: of fun with me as well. But yeah, like, you know,
• 2:12:26
  Speaker 2: the funny thing is, the cheat day thing, man, like
• 2:12:29
  Speaker 2: I don't want to do it.
• 2:12:30
  Speaker 1: Wow.
• 2:12:30
  Speaker 2: If you got to the point where you don't want
• 2:12:32
  Speaker 2: to do it, that's huge. Was it always like that
• 2:12:33
  Speaker 2: or no? Just got there like past couple of years.
• 2:12:36
  Speaker 2: It took me like a hundred reps. Like you do it,
• 2:12:37
  Speaker 2: you're like, I'm going to do it and be fun.
• 2:12:40
  Speaker 2: And then it happens. You're like, God damn it. It's
• 2:12:43
  Speaker 2: the worst. It's never worth it. It's so I learned
• 2:12:46
  Speaker 2: the lesson. It's never, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever
• 2:12:49
  Speaker 2: worth it. It just doesn't. Like, I don't know of
• 2:12:51
  Speaker 2: a situation where I did something. I'm like, yeah, you
• 2:12:53
  Speaker 2: know what? Now, like when I did, when I stayed,
• 2:12:55
  Speaker 2: when I went to bed early, Went to the rave
• 2:12:58
  Speaker 2: in the middle of the night. I got to dance.
• 2:13:00
  Speaker 1: Worth it.
• 2:13:01
  Speaker 2: Right. But like, you know, fast food meal. So my
• 2:13:05
  Speaker 2: team right now is where they're trying to convince me
• 2:13:08
  Speaker 2: to get drunk on a live stream as an experiment.
• 2:13:11
  Speaker 2: So like, what does alcohol do to the body? So
• 2:13:14
  Speaker 2: we do the same thing. We'd measure all the markers.
• 2:13:16
  Speaker 2: We'd look at my impairment. So like, if I were,
• 2:13:19
  Speaker 2: you know, I would do an experiment like that. But otherwise, like,
• 2:13:20
  Speaker 2: just to have fun.
• 2:13:21
  Speaker 1: Like, no, man, it's miserable. I hate it. Has this
• 2:13:25
  Speaker 1: challenged your faith? Has any of the, uh, has it
• 2:13:27
  Speaker 1: challenged which you, where, where your faith lies? I knew
• 2:13:30
  Speaker 1: cause you grew up in a Mormon community. Is that right? Yeah.
• 2:13:33
  Speaker 1: And has it challenged, um, which I think is a
• 2:13:36
  Speaker 1: great community by the way.
• 2:13:37
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 2:13:37
  Speaker 1: Um, has any of your practices, uh, challenged any of
• 2:13:41
  Speaker 1: your beliefs or your relationship with that community?
• 2:13:43
  Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean, I, I joke with my, uh, my
• 2:13:45
  Speaker 2: Mormon friends, I'm a better Mormon than they are. I'm not,
• 2:13:48
  Speaker 2: I'm like the best Mormon, you know, like, uh, you know, cause, um,
• 2:13:54
  Speaker 2: sugar is the currency in the Mormons. Like, you can't do,
• 2:13:56
  Speaker 2: there's not premarital sex, you can't do porn. Like, there's
• 2:13:58
  Speaker 2: a whole bunch of, you can't drink coffee. Yeah. Right? So,
• 2:14:01
  Speaker 2: when you have, like, a whole bunch of no's, like,
• 2:14:04
  Speaker 2: it's gotta go somewhere. Yeah. So, sugar is, like, the
• 2:14:06
  Speaker 2: escape route. And so, That's nice. Yeah, exactly. So, I
• 2:14:10
  Speaker 2: didn't mess around with them. But, like, the thing is, like,
• 2:14:13
  Speaker 2: for me, the hole in the world is that we're
• 2:14:18
  Speaker 2: in this wacky situation where we're conscious in the universe. Like,
• 2:14:23
  Speaker 2: what the fuck is going on?
• 2:14:24
  Speaker 1: It's so bizarre. Talk about it every day. It's so bizarre.
• 2:14:27
  Speaker 2: And so then like, given the bizarreness, there's all these
• 2:14:31
  Speaker 2: ways of people being like, let me explain the situation.
• 2:14:34
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 2:14:35
  Speaker 2: But like, I don't know. I'm quite more of the
• 2:14:37
  Speaker 2: opinion of like, how do we know?
• 2:14:39
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 2:14:40
  Speaker 2: What are we talking about? And so like, but then
• 2:14:43
  Speaker 2: if you say like, who says they don't know, it's
• 2:14:45
  Speaker 2: a very, very, very small number of people who say
• 2:14:47
  Speaker 2: they're like atheists and they don't know, but that's kind
• 2:14:49
  Speaker 2: of like a, a defeatist mentality. It's like, we don't know,
• 2:14:51
  Speaker 2: but like, whatever. So like what's missing in the world
• 2:14:55
  Speaker 2: is an ideology that's like, we don't really know. And
• 2:14:59
  Speaker 2: we have gusto. Like when, cause when you're in a religion, um,
• 2:15:03
  Speaker 2: like you've got gusto to serve God and to like,
• 2:15:06
  Speaker 2: you know, obey the commandments and like, but like, where
• 2:15:08
  Speaker 2: does an ideology that couples up?
• 2:15:09
  Speaker 1: I don't know.
• 2:15:10
  Speaker 2: And has gusto. And that's what's missing in the world.
• 2:15:12
  Speaker 2: That's what I found is like, you, you can intellectually
• 2:15:14
  Speaker 2: be like legit, pretty hard to know what's going on. Also,
• 2:15:18
  Speaker 2: Like we can stand up. We can, like we have
• 2:15:22
  Speaker 2: power right now. Like it wasn't before AI, you're doomed.
• 2:15:26
  Speaker 2: Like no matter what you said, you're off to death.
• 2:15:29
  Speaker 2: With AI, this is the first time ever where a
• 2:15:32
  Speaker 2: human can be like, you know what?
• 2:15:33
  Speaker 1: I got a strut.
• 2:15:35
  Speaker 2: Like I'm going to put my chest out and like,
• 2:15:36
  Speaker 2: I feel, I feel confident I can do something. And
• 2:15:39
  Speaker 2: so like we're at this brand new thing. And that's
• 2:15:41
  Speaker 2: what I'm saying. Like, This moment is so insane.
• 2:15:42
  Speaker 1: What makes you think about that? Just because the ability
• 2:15:45
  Speaker 1: that the average person can have now?
• 2:15:46
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, you look at AI, I mean, you
• 2:15:53
  Speaker 2: basically are giving birth to God. When we talk about God,
• 2:15:59
  Speaker 2: we say God's omnipotent, omnipotent, God is blank, blank, blank.
• 2:16:04
  Speaker 2: We basically assign these powers of anything. And on some
• 2:16:08
  Speaker 2: kind of timescale, AI is kind of that like when
• 2:16:13
  Speaker 2: it's that and how it's that like TBD, but it's
• 2:16:15
  Speaker 2: like generally that. And so when you actually have like
• 2:16:20
  Speaker 2: the potential of building like billions of gods or godlike
• 2:16:24
  Speaker 2: powers of like we've imagined, like why wouldn't you immediately
• 2:16:28
  Speaker 2: level up your, your ambition by like a thousand X?
• 2:16:31
  Speaker 1: Right. Because you're taking some of the more practical. possibilities
• 2:16:36
  Speaker 1: of God and making them more usable to the everyday person. Exactly.
• 2:16:40
  Speaker 1: You're still not able to replicate like a relationship that
• 2:16:43
  Speaker 1: is like spiritual in nature though. Do you think? Why not?
• 2:16:47
  Speaker 2: I mean, it's just a biochemical reaction, right? I don't know.
• 2:16:50
  Speaker 1: You think somebody just messaging with like a fictional thing
• 2:16:53
  Speaker 1: is going to make them feel the same way as
• 2:16:54
  Speaker 1: if they feel like there's some connection to us, to
• 2:16:57
  Speaker 1: an actual, like molecular existing force in the world. I do.
• 2:17:02
  Speaker 2: I think that basically, um, you think it's the same. basically,
• 2:17:07
  Speaker 2: so you are 70 trillion cells. When Theovan experiences love
• 2:17:11
  Speaker 2: or God or like take whatever you think, that is
• 2:17:16
  Speaker 2: a biochemical pattern.
• 2:17:18
  Speaker 1: Got it.
• 2:17:19
  Speaker 2: And you can produce it with prayer, with psychedelics, with meditation,
• 2:17:25
  Speaker 2: with sex, right? Like there's so many ways to replicate
• 2:17:28
  Speaker 2: these experiences. So like if AI is able to develop
• 2:17:31
  Speaker 2: drugs and or experiences and or if we have implants
• 2:17:34
  Speaker 2: and or You can basically just map it back. It's
• 2:17:39
  Speaker 2: very hard to identify an emergent experience we have right
• 2:17:42
  Speaker 2: now and not be able to pull back the curtain
• 2:17:44
  Speaker 2: and say, here's what happened biochemically.
• 2:17:48
  Speaker 1: Now, I'm open.
• 2:17:50
  Speaker 2: To other ways to explain the world that you can't
• 2:17:53
  Speaker 2: find a biochemical signature for. Totally open to that. But
• 2:17:55
  Speaker 2: in my experience, everything I am, I can just see
• 2:17:59
  Speaker 2: the data. It is a very clear reveal. And so, yeah,
• 2:18:03
  Speaker 2: will humans be able to experience transcendence and unconditional love
• 2:18:08
  Speaker 2: and extreme fulfillment of purpose and like locked in engagement. Yes.
• 2:18:14
  Speaker 2: Like all those things. And so I actually, I'm, I'm
• 2:18:17
  Speaker 2: very friendly towards religions. Like no matter who you are,
• 2:18:20
  Speaker 2: no matter what you believe in. Great.
• 2:18:22
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 2:18:22
  Speaker 2: Like don't die is something we can all agree to.
• 2:18:25
  Speaker 2: And so like I, if someone says they believe in
• 2:18:27
  Speaker 2: an afterlife, super, like you can still have your afterlife.
• 2:18:31
  Speaker 2: This has not taken away your afterlife. This is just
• 2:18:33
  Speaker 2: saying like right now we want to cooperate because we
• 2:18:35
  Speaker 2: love the game of life. if that means you want
• 2:18:37
  Speaker 2: to procrastinate your afterlife for another a hundred years, it's
• 2:18:40
  Speaker 2: still going to be there for you. Like it's not,
• 2:18:42
  Speaker 2: it's not going away. Right. So it's really about trying
• 2:18:44
  Speaker 2: to strike. So it's the same thing about food. Like
• 2:18:47
  Speaker 2: I'm not a carnivore or vegan or paleo or whatever.
• 2:18:50
  Speaker 2: I'm not anti-religion. I'm not for the, like, I'm just like,
• 2:18:53
  Speaker 2: we're all good. Like everyone, we're all good. We can
• 2:18:56
  Speaker 2: be together. We can like play the game together. We
• 2:18:59
  Speaker 2: don't need to fight each other. No one needs to
• 2:19:00
  Speaker 2: be right or wrong. We just want to agree that
• 2:19:02
  Speaker 2: existence is awesome.
• 2:19:03
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 2:19:04
  Speaker 2: So that's like just trying to call peace of all intelligence.
• 2:19:06
  Speaker 2: Let's not fight. No more killing.
• 2:19:08
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 2:19:08
  Speaker 2: That should be cool.
• 2:19:09
  Speaker 1: Amen, man. Because I wonder sometimes if like when kids
• 2:19:12
  Speaker 1: interact with AI and stuff like that, do they feel
• 2:19:14
  Speaker 1: like it's like the same as if I feel if
• 2:19:16
  Speaker 1: I'm interacting with a real person, you know? Because yeah,
• 2:19:19
  Speaker 1: I just don't know if you could ever get that,
• 2:19:20
  Speaker 1: you know, that kind of hug feeling of like of
• 2:19:24
  Speaker 1: your God, whoever your God is or something. I wonder
• 2:19:26
  Speaker 1: if you could ever get that hug feeling. If like
• 2:19:29
  Speaker 1: something that was... Yeah.
• 2:19:31
  Speaker 2: Like.
• 2:19:32
  Speaker 1: man-made or synthetic kind of hypothetically synthetic, if it would
• 2:19:36
  Speaker 1: ever be the same. But I mean, I think it's
• 2:19:38
  Speaker 1: all interesting conversation. And, um, and look, man, you're out
• 2:19:42
  Speaker 1: there on the front lines. You're like the only one
• 2:19:44
  Speaker 1: in your, in this war. Like you're like your own
• 2:19:47
  Speaker 1: Vietnam dude out there, you know? So it's really cool.
• 2:19:52
  Speaker 1: And I really appreciate your time, man. Um, tell Tom, Tom,
• 2:19:56
  Speaker 1: tell Tom, as we said, what's up. And, um, Yeah,
• 2:20:00
  Speaker 1: and Brian Johnson, thanks so much, dude. I'm going to
• 2:20:03
  Speaker 1: grab some of that olive oil. I do want to
• 2:20:04
  Speaker 1: get some of it.
• 2:20:06
  Speaker 2: I'll send you some.
• 2:20:07
  Speaker 1: Well, I'll support, man, but thank you. But thank you
• 2:20:10
  Speaker 1: even for coming, dude, and just sharing a lot of
• 2:20:11
  Speaker 1: this with us. I think it's not just about milligrams
• 2:20:16
  Speaker 1: and this, but it's kind of like a life idea,
• 2:20:19
  Speaker 1: and it's a change of perspective. Yeah. You know? Yeah.
• 2:20:22
  Speaker 1: So I understand it.
• 2:20:23
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I loved hanging out, man. It was really fun.
• 2:20:25
  Speaker 1: Me too, bro. I know you said we saw each
• 2:20:26
  Speaker 1: other at the UFC. I remember now seeing your face
• 2:20:29
  Speaker 1: for a second. Yeah. But I'm glad to see it again, dude.
• 2:20:32
  Speaker 1: We'll have to get to one soon. Yeah, cool. All right.
• 2:20:34
  Speaker 1: Thank you, brother.
• 2:20:35
  Speaker 2: All right, man. cornerstone Oh but when I reach that
• 2:20:48
  Speaker 2: ground I'll share this peace of mind I found I
• 2:20:52
  Speaker 2: can feel it in my bones