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me and my gf's love story · gasp! the pod

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Virginia is for lovers. It is.
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Interfacial lovers. Famously loving versus Virginia.
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Actually, guys, you know what's so crazy?
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We were that couple we're taking.
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We are taking. That out why can't I keep that
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in That's crazy. We we're the couple that no OK,
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hello and welcome back to gasp the pod, the podcast for the
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gays, the girls and especially the gay girls.
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If you're watching on video, you can see that there's something
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different because First off, I have my first guest ever, the
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renowned, the famous. I don't know about that.
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I don't. Know about all that?
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The smart, the beautiful, the gorgeous.
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My girlfriend, Sophia. Thank you.
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Welcome to the pod. Thank you.
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I'm so excited to be here. I just felt like my first guest
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had to be you. This is a thrill.
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I'm I'm so excited to be here and I feel so official with my
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mic. Yeah, we had to get another mic
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for guests, so she's testing out her first new mic.
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It's awesome. I'm so excited to be here.
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Thank you for having me. Of course baby and we are in
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Virginia because this is not my New York apartment.
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You can see I'm in Virginia at my parents house.
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We're here for the weekend watching my dog Sneakers.
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Who is Sneakers? Say hi.
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In her beautiful fall sweater for this lovely fall day.
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Do you want to pick her up and show she's a little mad right
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now? Say hi, Sneaky.
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OK, She doesn't really like wearing clothes.
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She just groaned. I don't know if you can hear
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that. She doesn't really like wearing
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clothes and she's just been in an insane mood.
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I think she misses her parents. I.
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Think she misses her parents? Yeah, but they'll be back.
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Soon and we have a little collar on her, so if she barks, we'll
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just it's not a shock. It's just like a it gives her a
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beep. So don't worry.
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There's no animal cruelty on this episode.
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PETA, if you're listening, there is no animal cruelty.
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But yeah, we're recording on a lovely Sunday.
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Fall morning happy. Fall happy.
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Fall, I am so excited. We'll also see that I have a
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cute little birthday balloon here because it was my birthday
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last week and when I came home my dad gave me a birthday
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balloon so I just felt like it has to be in the episode.
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This episode we are going to talk about how me and Sophia
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met, what our coming outs were like and how they were
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different. And obviously we're going to
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talk to Sophia about Gaylor because there's some people that
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are interested to know if she's also a Gaylor and how her Gaylor
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thoughts differ from me. Sure, sure.
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Can't wait to get into it. But first, we want to talk about
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my murder mystery party. Really quickly it was.
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So fun. It was really fun and I turned
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20. Seven you did, and that's
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exciting. 27 is going to be a great age.
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Yeah. I'm a couple months younger so I
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can't wait to turn 27. I know you have a very good
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outlook on age. I think I do too.
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But it's just like people on the Internet, not you guys, but like
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there was a post that I made it. I was like 24 or 25 and I made
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some TikTok and someone was like, people are like, you're
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way too old to be talking, talking on TikTok.
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Yeah, I think that's crazy. I also think that the are they?
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Going to push me off the Internet.
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No, the Internet is so weird because first of all, like when
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you're in high school and college, more so high school I
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think than college mid 20s feels like so old because you just
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like, I don't know, I didn't really know any people in their
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mid 20s when I was in high school.
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And so I was like. Oh, those are why would you?
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Right, Right. That's, that's good, I think.
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Yeah. But yeah, I think it just seems
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really old. But then, you know, they'll be
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27 one day and they're going to be like, oh, wow, this is
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extremely young. We're so.
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Young, Yeah. And the grand scheme of things.
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You know what I mean? We're in our 20s.
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Oh, and then people on the Internet were like, yeah, you
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look 40. What Do you remember that?
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I do, Someone said. Someone said you look 41.
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I just love the specificity of that. 40. 141 not 40, not 42, no
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and and not. And by the way, and I don't look
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40. Have you guys like, first of
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all, I'm so excited for us to be like in our era of like
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childless 30s. And I also think we're going to,
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we're going to look stunning in our 40s.
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I don't think 40 is like old, but I don't think I look 40.
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No, you don't look 40 and I don't know what I would love to
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pick their brain about like what a 41 year old looks like and
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like why? Why you specifically look 41?
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Right. And I don't want to be like, oh,
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I don't want to look 40, but I think it's fair to not want to
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look 15 years old, older than you are.
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I think that's fair. I would say that that's.
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Fair. I think that's fair.
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Yeah. I was on an airplane two years
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ago. I don't know if I told you this
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story and they asked me. I was at the exit aisle and I
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was sitting with my mom and they said, ma'am, is your daughter
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old enough to be sitting in the exit aisle?
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And she said, yes, I was 2425, maybe even They said is she
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older than 'cause I don't know if it's, I think is it 15?
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I don't know. I think it's 15.
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She. Said Are you older than 15 to
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me? So do I look 14 or do I look 41?
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There is no in between. You either look 14 or 14.
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Oh also guys, look at my fall nails.
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For those listening in, we have a beautiful maroon fall color.
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Sing it. Sophia Maroon.
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So also my really good friend, one of my best friends ever,
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Madeline O'Brien, who, you know, she sent me a voice memo of
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thoughts about my podcast and she said I didn't like the
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singing. So no, but that.
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But like, she needs to grow up. We're going to be sarcastically
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singing on this podcast, Madeline.
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I will continue to sing. OK, murder mystery, Murder
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mystery. So I never done a murder
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mystery. I decided to do it because
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Sophia's sister had had or her sister's friend had had a murder
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mystery party. And what was fun about it is
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that I didn't know who was going to be the victim or the killer.
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So my character was Nicky Simpson.
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It was Y2K themed. And because Madonna does live
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around the block from my apartment, can I say that?
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Yeah. I guess.
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From my apartment and I thought it'd be fun to be like Y2K
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Madonna esque. Party.
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Yeah, it was a great theme. I know like obviously 80s were
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her heyday, but I think it's like early 2000s.
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It's like a big Madonna era. I don't know.
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Yeah, Madonna's just always with us, you know, Doesn't matter the
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decade. So I was Nicki Simpson, that
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like I had a bunch of other characters there.
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There were like other scorned stars and who else?
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Like a wrestler and a bunch of other people.
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And Sophia, who are you? Yeah, so my character was Joe
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Jive. Joe Jive was the owner and of,
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you know, a big famous record label had a bunch of enemies.
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All fake, by the way. Yes, all fake but.
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What's so fun about these murder mystery companies is they really
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like build a character's like background and give you so much
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info on like, how to really personify the character.
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So I was Joe Jive, record label owner and producer, and had a
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bunch of like enemies. And so it turned.
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Out I was one of your enemies. It's true.
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Everybody was an enemy. Everybody hated me.
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And what's so funny was like one of the rumors was like that I
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had hooked up with Joe Jive. Was it?
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Yeah. Someone came up to me and
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they're like, you're a whore. You've been hooking up with Joe
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Jive, my character. And I was like, I would never
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hook up. Wow.
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I don't remember that in my little booklet.
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And so that was The funny thing is at the start of every round,
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there were three rounds. You would get little booklets
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that told you, you know, what you were supposed to do, go to
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talk to other characters. And the beginning of the second
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round was when the murder was supposed to occur.
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Rounds were like 30 minutes and I didn't read my booklet closely
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enough to see that I was the victim and that I was supposed
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to die like at a certain time. So the round is going on forever
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and we had to break character a couple times.
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Haley broke character a couple. Times I was the host and I was
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like, all right, remember to look at your booklets because
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someone has to die soon and. Then I looked down and I was
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like, on an unrelated note, I'm going to leave the room right
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now. And I but it was really, really
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funny. And then I came back as the
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detective, which was very fun and like facilitated everybody
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figuring out who the killer was. It was a really, really great.
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Party. It was very fun.
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Yeah, my birthday was really fun, but let's get into the meat
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of the episode. And the meat is.
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Did you have some exciting news that you wanted to share?
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Oh yes, I do. Really, really exciting news
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that will be known to people in hopefully 3 weeks.
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I don't even actually know when this will be aired.
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Yeah, if I can even say aired, but it involves me and involves
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Sophia and involves a camera crew.
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It's a. Very exciting.
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Project, and that's all I'm going to say is that there is a
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project in the works that I'm a part of and it involves Gaylor.
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And stay tuned because it's very exciting.
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It's crazy. So I'm very excited about that,
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but I just wanted to let you guys know a little tidbit of it.
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But yeah, OK, back to this episode.
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Let's get into how we met. Yeah, how we how did we move?
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So first of all, we've been dating for three years.
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We. Have our anniversary is coming
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up next Sunday. Next Sunday, Yeah.
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And guess what? Our anniversary is?
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October 13th, 13. Isn't that just kind of ironic
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and perfect? It's perfect.
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My birthday is also a 13th, so 13 has always been my lucky
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number. Yep, and it's a Swifty number.
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And you have been dating for three years, which is amazing.
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Does it? Feel like three years to you it?
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Does and it doesn't. Sometimes it feels like it's
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been longer, just the like amazing things that we've like
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done together. We've done so much and like we
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know each other so well that it feels like we've been dating for
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longer than that. But then also three years is a
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really long time and it kind of just feels like yesterday that
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we started dating to me sometimes.
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So yes and no, it feels it feels like it's been longer, but then
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also feels like it's been shorter.
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Haley and I are from around the same area in Virginia.
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We grew up in Virginia and went to high schools near each other.
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Virginie, old good old Virginie. Virginia's for lovers.
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It is. Interfacial lovers famously
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loving versus Virginia. Actually, guys, you know what's
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so crazy? We were that couple we're
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taking. We are taking that.
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Up why can't? I keep that in.
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That's crazy. We're the couple that no OK.
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From Virginia. We didn't know each other in
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high school, but we had a lot of mutual friends.
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Apparently we were at the same parties.
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We we must have. But we didn't know it.
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Yeah, but we must. So we both played.
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It's pretty amazing. It's pretty invisible strength.
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It is. We both played like soccer.
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Yep, in the same game. Well, it's actually funny.
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So it is funny because as we've been dating, we've talked about
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obviously like all of the things we did growing up and a lot,
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there's a lot of overlap. And so it's kind of like we
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definitely were in the same place at the same time.
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The water mine, for any listeners who are familiar, I
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don't know if the water mine is like a regional thing or it's
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just in Virginia, I don't know. But it's a water park that is
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absolutely off the chain electric.
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It's amazing. And we and we both were like, we
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both talked about how we would go there all the time with our
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family. So we were definitely at the
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water. We definitely were like met and
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like played in the water. I don't know.
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No, I I feel like our parents would remember that.
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Like I. Don't think.
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We would. I don't know if we were in the
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same Soccer League because I was in, I was in like the stage
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there. It was above a house league but
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way below a travel. League.
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Yes please. It was called the Friendship.
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League. No suburban friendship, which is
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so fair. My parents.
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She didn't. She couldn't handle too much
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confidence. No, that's.
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Not well, I don't know about that.
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That might have been part of it because sometimes competition
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does stress me out, but I think it was actually my parents,
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amazing parents were like, I don't know if I want to spend my
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weekend two days off driving you around for soccer.
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And I'm like, that's so fair. So I don't know if we played
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soccer in the same league, but we definitely did a lot of
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things that were similar growing up.
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So we officially met freshman year of college where at William
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and Mary. Sorry, my eyes got stuck on the
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tree outside. Well, yeah, we met at William
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and Mary freshman year. We lived in the same dorm hall.
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You were in the basement and I was on the 1st floor and her
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roommate was my friend so we would.
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I think what's so crazy is like we don't actually know the first
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time we met. No, we don't.
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I don't remember. I'm still.
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Waiting for like, again. I feel like we're gonna be like,
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looking through pictures. We probably met hanging out in
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your dorm room. Yeah, so that's how we met, I
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guess. And we were just like
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tangentially friends, but we got closer as friends.
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We were never like best friends. Yeah, but.
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We got closer our junior year. Yeah, we both did orientation.
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So like, orientation's like a huge thing at William and Mary.
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And it's just an insane cult. Yeah.
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And. Filling up at 5:00, it's like it
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it's. Like the freshman.
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It's exactly the stereotypes of orientation leaders at colleges
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for sure. Yeah.
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And yeah, because you were. She ended up being one of the
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directors. OK, that's not that important,
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but. Well, I.
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I loved it, it was fun, but it it is the stereotypical like
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5:00 AM wake up like super kind of overbearing sometimes.
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We got really close during orientation because the, like,
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staff that you're on of, of orientation aids is like 30
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people and you just get really close.
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And I definitely thought that Haley was really cute and I kind
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of had a crush on her a little bit.
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But nothing really like happened junior year or senior year or
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even after we graduated until like 2021, yeah.
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Yeah, that's so crazy. It is crazy.
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It was Haley was just about to move to LA and I was still in
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DC. And before you left, we kind of
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like had a conversation of like. I think we were like, at least
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in my mind, I was like, this is something that I hadn't figured
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out yet. Like we both knew it was so much
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more. Like we both knew that this was
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more than a friendship. But like, hadn't actually even,
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like, thought it out loud yet. Like I hadn't actually thought
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it out loud. Yeah.
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And then when I did, I was like, I need to, we need to figure out
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what's going on. Yeah.
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So we like, yeah, talked about that before you left.
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But then obviously like you had had a lease, like everything was
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set up for you to go to LA. So we were like, it doesn't
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really make sense for us to start dating right now because
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you're moving across. The.
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Country. So we just kind of kept talking,
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yeah, waited to see what was going to happen.
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And like, and like Facetiming, I remember on the flight over
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there, which is actually really cute.
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It is, yeah. Do you want to tell the story?
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Yeah, so the day Haley was leaving, she was at the airport.
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And it was high. Typical me.
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Right waiting to board her flight to LA.
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We were like Facetiming about something and we were talking
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for so long on the FaceTime that you almost missed your flight.
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Yeah, I literally almost missed my flight.
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They were like last call and I was like what?
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You were like, oh, I gotta go. And then you were like, wait, if
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you miss your flight, you can like come back.
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Yeah, it was like, really? We were so like, sweet and like
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it. Was.
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Nervous around each other. It was really cute.
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And then we just, like kept talking when I was in LA and
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when I on the flight there again, I was high and it was
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night time, so I was like, what am I gonna do?
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Yeah. And I felt like it was the kind
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of the thing where I knew I didn't want to stop talking to
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that would feel like premature to just like cut something off
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for no reason. And but obviously I didn't know
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if we could like date at that point.
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So it was like, let's just keep doing it.
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Let's just keep talking as long as it's like, fun.
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Yeah, that was my big thing too. Was like, is this, is this still
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fun? And is this like not hurting me
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or you? Like are we being honest with
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each other like? Straining or like, yeah, is the
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long distance going to be like, well, you know what they say if
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the heart grows fonder? Close.
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You're really close. Absence makes the heart.
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Whatever. But like, I think it's the kind
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of thing where it's like, will you start forgetting about that
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person? Like I'm in an entirely new
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environment. I didn't know anyone in LA
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except for one person. I didn't have a job out there,
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So. And I still was like wanting to
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talk to you even when things got busy and I made friends and
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everything like that. So when I came back for like our
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college homecoming, then we were like, I, I actually remember
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going to the homecoming being like, we're either going to date
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after this or like break up because we can't just keep like
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talking and like hanging out. Right, because that was the
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first time we would have seen each other in person in like a
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couple months. And we didn't know how those
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months were going to turn out. Obviously we ended up talking a
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lot. And yeah, it was that
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homecoming. It was October 2021 that we.
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I remember after that weekend we were like, OK, I think we should
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like have a conversation about what this is.
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And then we like officially started dating, which was so
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fun. And then like a month after that
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I was like, well I would love to come visit you in LA.
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And I came I think for like 5 days.
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And I didn't realize this until I was talking to one of my
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friends after the trip and he was like, how was it like this?
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Was this the first like alone time and like long period of
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time that you guys had spent together?
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And I was like, whoa, I guess so.
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Like we both like kind of didn't realize that this was like gonna
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be the first like time we like spent a week together, like just
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us. And the rest is.
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History. I guess the rest is history.
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Obviously, I moved back from LA. We were doing long distance for
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2 1/2 years. Wow, we really were.
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Well. I would say 3.
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I would say 3 and it was so hard, but I also think like
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remembering to like. So I was working remotely for a
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couple years before I started up grad school, which I'm in my
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second year of grad school right now.
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Law school, yes. And so when I was working
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remotely those two years, I don't know, when I was working
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remotely, I was able to be out in California a bunch, which was
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really, really fun. But then, yeah, obviously when I
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started school, I had to be in DC a lot more than I had been
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before. And so that was extra hard, I
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think because, yeah, it was a lot on you to have to travel
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back to. I was travelling every two
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weeks. I was coming every two weeks to
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DC. Yeah, it was crazy.
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We. Couldn't do it anymore.
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It was crazy. And now I live in New York, but
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that's a that sounds more intense than what it actually is
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like, because pretty much we're together every single.
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Week we are. We're together all the time.
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And we're moving in together. Yes, in April.
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I'm so excited. It's going to be awesome from my
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last year of grad school. I'm.
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So excited. It's going to be so, so much
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fun. I'm excited to do like moving
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vlogs and finding furniture. Together I'm already like
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anytime I see something that I like, love on TikTok.
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I'm like bookmarking. Start.
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Yeah, I'm like bookmarking already.
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Oh, Sneaker sees a squirrel that she's oh, she's so.
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Cute in her sweater. She looks so cute.
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Also, Speaking of dogs, we want to get a dachshund.
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Sophia's really into dachshunds. I am before dating you, I didn't
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really like get the appeal of like really small dogs.
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I like grew up with like a big lab, a big chocolate lab.
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So like, I just like always liked big dogs, but you really
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made me understand the cuteness of small dachshunds.
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Yeah, they're just for as long as I can remember, they've been
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some of my favorite dogs. I think they're so cute and
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silly and like, I love big dogs, but I think also, like, living
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in a city and wanting a dog, I'm like, I feel like I want a
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smaller dog first before I'm able to like, you know, have the
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space for a big one. But I love big dogs too.
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But the thing with dachshunds is just like, I love how close they
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are to the ground. Like their little, their little.
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Legs, we need to get her a ramp because of their baggage.
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Yes, we're going to do all of that.
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And we're going to name her Velma.
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And it's because we're huge Scooby-doo fans.
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Love scooby-doo, some of the best cartoons.
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The old like 60s versions are amazing.
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They're so comforting, they're so fun to watch.
22:52
And Velma is obviously your favorite.
22:55
Well, not necessarily favorite character, but she's just the
22:57
lesbian. So right, she's the one we that.
23:01
We identify with the. Most I think I identify with
23:04
Daphne. No, yeah, I'm kidding.
23:05
I think I identify with Scooby. So Sneakers is back from chasing
23:10
the squirrel. I don't think she got her, but
23:13
she had fun while doing it. I wanted to talk about our
23:16
coming out and how ours differed from each other because first of
23:23
all, we are very lucky to have good families.
23:29
Do you think you had an easier coming out than I did?
23:32
Yeah, I. I was, yeah.
23:35
Tell your story. Yeah, I'm, I'm I.
23:37
Was your truth. I was really lucky and I'm
23:42
really grateful that I can look back on my coming out story with
23:45
such, like, joy and like, safety.
23:48
And I know that that's really not the case for everybody.
23:50
So I like, really recognize that.
23:54
And yeah, I'm just like, really grateful for it.
23:58
But yeah, so like, you know, everybody's like, how?
24:02
When did you know you were gay? Like I think I always knew.
24:07
I feel like looking back, you know, maybe I didn't have the
24:11
language to be like, oh, I'm gay.
24:13
But I knew that the way that I was talking with some of my
24:16
friends, like they were just thinking about things
24:19
differently than I was. Like they were thinking about
24:21
guys that were cute. And I was like, oh, I don't
24:22
really feel that way. Like I wonder why one of?
24:25
Can I Yeah. Can I ask you the question that
24:29
we were talking about two nights ago?
24:31
Because I was, like, wondering. We were talking about like, you
24:35
were like, I only pictured having kids, like, with a woman.
24:38
Yeah. And I was like, when did you
24:41
have that realization? Like, did you ever think you
24:46
would ever be able to be with a woman?
24:51
Sneakers just like growl. She's so homophobic.
24:54
No. Well, whenever we kiss and
24:57
whenever we talk about gay things, she's like.
25:00
I think it's when we give each other affection.
25:02
She's just jealous that it's not her.
25:04
Yeah. But yeah, like, I just think
25:10
it's so, I mean, I was raised more Catholic, so it's so
25:13
interesting talking to you about like, how you thought about
25:17
women and like, I feel like you at least recognized you had the
25:21
link. Like you, you wanted to create
25:24
something that you didn't already see, which I think is
25:27
really amazing. Like my brain, your brain was so
25:29
strong back then. Like I had never because I was
25:32
like, did you see any like, lesbian relationships or like
25:36
gay relationships that made you think like, I want that?
25:39
And you were just like, oh, it's because I just knew I wanted to
25:45
be with a girl. Does that make sense?
25:47
Yeah. No, it makes sense.
25:48
I don't. Yeah, I don't really remember,
25:51
like seeing on TV or in movies like lesbian couples or gay male
26:00
couples, for that matter. Like I don't remember that.
26:03
Like that's not really ingrained in my memory.
26:06
I think it's really just like, I don't know if my brain was
26:10
stronger, like stronger. It was just like, we were
26:13
creative, I guess. So you were like.
26:15
I think I want to be with a woman.
26:16
Has anyone else ever done that before?
26:18
Yeah, I guess I don't know. I've always been like a big
26:20
romantic and like always knew I wanted a family and like kids
26:25
and all that. And I just always when I, when
26:29
I, so when I realized that I wasn't thinking about guys or
26:35
boys in that way that my friends were growing up, like a, a big
26:40
kind of like example of that is like I was a huge Twilight kid.
26:43
Like loved all the twilights. Shout out to my parents for
26:46
taking us to the midnight premiere of all of those movies,
26:48
which is like one of the most amazing experiences.
26:53
But all of my, you know, the whole fandom was like team
26:55
Edward or team Jacob. And I was like, why isn't Bella
26:58
an option? Because.
27:00
Because I'm Because anyone. Ever heard of gay people?
27:02
Well, no, and I didn't. I didn't know that.
27:04
It was like, oh, I'm gay wise and Bella an option.
27:06
It was just like, I'm not focused on them.
27:08
Saying it's like the fact that you, you know, you were focusing
27:13
on her, but you noticed that you were focusing on her.
27:15
Yeah, that's smart. Well, that was my that was kind
27:18
of like, you know, when people say when did you know, I'm like,
27:21
well, looking back, I always because I was not focused on.
27:24
But it's pretty amazing because it's like I was focusing on
27:27
girls, but I didn't know I was focusing on girls.
27:30
Yeah, Like my brain, I don't know if it's the Catholicism or
27:33
like, I just like, couldn't think.
27:36
That was not like an OP. Like I didn't even know that was
27:38
possible. Yeah, No, that makes sense.
27:40
I. Had to see an example to know it
27:43
could happen. That makes sense.
27:44
And also like I say this now, like hindsight's always 2020.
27:47
I don't know if I'm in those moments.
27:50
I don't know if I knew. Like, oh, I'm thinking about it
27:52
differently. Like that's just the way it
27:54
makes sense in my head now that I always knew.
27:57
But like to your question of like how that happened, I don't
28:01
know. I think it was just like never
28:05
thinking about like I never pictured myself ending up with a
28:08
man. I never wanted that.
28:11
Even though I didn't come out to my family like until freshman
28:14
year of college, like I was never.
28:17
And this just like goes back to like how amazing my family is.
28:19
Like I was never worried about telling them.
28:21
So I think that that barrier in my mind like wasn't there of
28:26
being like, oh, I can't picture this because I like, I don't
28:29
know how my family would react or something like that.
28:32
Like I, I was never worried about telling them.
28:35
And so I think that also helped me be like, oh, like I can
28:39
picture. I don't have to picture a future
28:41
with a man. Was there ever a part of you?
28:44
I don't think I've ever asked you this question.
28:46
Was there ever a part of you that was like, wait, maybe I am
28:49
bisexual? Or like, I know I'm not into men
28:51
at all. No, I never thought I was
28:53
bisexual. Yeah.
28:56
I just knew you were never into guys I.
28:58
Was never really attracted to men ever.
29:02
And like I was never really attracted to men.
29:05
So I, I never thought that I was bisexual.
29:08
I also don't think I was like thinking about all that
29:10
terminology back in high school when it like really became sort
29:14
of like more fully formed in my head.
29:16
I was, I wasn't really thinking like, am I bisexual?
29:18
Am IA lesbian? I was just like, I know I'm gay.
29:21
So then and then like just naturally when I came out
29:24
freshman year, I came out as gay and like in my mind and, you
29:29
know, explaining that to my family and my friends, it was
29:31
just like, I'm a lesbian. But I just never, yeah, that I
29:35
just like never experienced that attraction.
29:37
So like it never crossed my mind that I would be by.
29:40
We've talked about this before and like, I don't it's hard to
29:43
know because we haven't had each other's experiences, but I just
29:46
like wonder. I do think it took me a longer
29:49
time to figure out I was gay because I knew that I was
29:53
interested in men. And I think that's along with
29:58
the Catholicism. But it's just so interesting,
30:00
like the differences and like coming out like, based on, like
30:03
your identity and like, yeah. And like external factors that
30:07
you almost don't realize at the time how they affect your coming
30:12
out, like religion, family, like obviously now, like from where
30:16
we're sitting as like people who've been out for a while and
30:18
like are in a relationship, like, and even if you're not in
30:22
a relationship, like the all those things make sense to say
30:25
they affect your coming out like your religion, your family, your
30:28
friends. But in the moment you're not
30:30
thinking about that, you know, in almost what in the moment of
30:34
like kind of realizing your sexuality and like, maybe like
30:38
in at least for me, coming to terms with all that in my head,
30:43
I wasn't consciously thinking about, I grew up going to
30:46
church. I grew up Christian, but like
30:48
that wasn't something that like I would, it wasn't something
30:52
that, you know, fully affected how I felt coming out to my
30:56
family. And I don't know if I like knew
30:58
that back then. I don't think like religion, I
31:02
was consciously aware that that was affecting it, but it's not
31:05
like, oh, I'm thinking, oh, but I'm Catholic, I can't be gay.
31:10
It was more like the way that your brain is wired, right?
31:15
From literally like 0 years old, right?
31:20
It, it didn't allow me to like I had to create new neurological
31:24
pathways, right, to understand my own attraction to women.
31:29
So I think it was less like, oh, I can't be gay, I can't be gay.
31:31
It was more like I don't even know what I what I'm feeling.
31:34
I don't even know how to think about that.
31:36
Yeah, yeah. It's like learning a new
31:37
language. Right.
31:38
Yeah, that's really interesting. Also, it's interesting that
31:42
like, I only knew you as gay, right?
31:46
And like, I don't even know. I think it was just this is
31:49
Sophia, like, oh, and she's gay. Like, I don't know.
31:51
That was another really big reason I was so excited to come
31:55
out. I came out like literally the
31:58
first day that of college, like it was just, and that was
32:02
something that I was really excited about to just be like
32:05
because I think another big thing for me and my coming out
32:08
and I think we've talked about this and we've probably felt
32:10
similarly. Like when you're in high school,
32:13
at least I'll speak for myself and I think my maybe
32:18
generalization of high schoolers in high school, you almost like
32:21
don't have the ability to realize that people can be more
32:24
than one thing. Maybe you can make the argument
32:26
that that's different now because of like what?
32:28
High schoolers are like this, but I'm worried.
32:29
It's not yeah, what they're like, you know, I think they're
32:32
obviously every generation is becoming sort of like more
32:35
liberal and like, but I also feel like this generation.
32:39
Like I feel like there's a lot of teenagers that are having
32:41
this, like new conservative. That could be true too.
32:46
But anyways, I was just really, I, I knew in high school I
32:48
didn't want to come out because I didn't want to be the gay kid.
32:50
Like I just didn't want that. And so because I didn't think
32:54
people could like recognize that like I was more than one thing
32:56
and maybe myself included. But then when I got to college,
32:59
yeah, like I I was just like excited to be like, she's that's
33:02
a fan. She's just like, kind of known
33:03
as, like that's who she. Is just start telling your
33:07
friends like introduce me as they as gay.
33:09
No, I was just kind of like when I got to college, I realized
33:12
like I was saying with the high school thing, like in college I
33:15
was just like, oh, you can be gay and like more and other
33:20
things too. You don't just need to be known
33:22
as like a gay kid, a gay person, whatever.
33:25
Not that there's anything wrong with that, but I was, I didn't
33:27
want to like lose the rest of my identity by just being known as
33:30
like somebody who's gay. And so that was a big YEAH
33:33
driving force for me to come out in college.
33:36
And like, I think I met upperclassmen that were gay and
33:40
I saw them and I was like, oh, they're not known as.
33:44
Yeah, just that. Did you tell people in your
33:46
sorority and just start being like, I'm gay?
33:49
Like how Like what was your physical?
33:51
Not that it like needed a physical coming out, but I'm
33:53
just wondering like there's a lot of people who say like you
33:55
have to continuously come out because.
33:57
Yeah, it got to the point. So when I actually came out, the
34:01
night that I did, I called my family and then I told my, you
34:05
know, like best friends in, in college that that my roommate
34:08
and some of my other really good friends in my dorm.
34:11
And then the next couple days, I like, yeah, you kind of feel
34:14
like it's like a weird like little sort of tour that you
34:17
need to go on and call. People, which is so annoying.
34:19
Which is so annoying, but it was like fun.
34:21
I had like all my friends from growing up, I called them and it
34:25
was all really, really wonderful and they were super loving and
34:30
great. And I'm, I'm so grateful for how
34:31
they responded. And then it got to the point
34:34
where I was like, and if people from high school are growing up,
34:37
just how you can just tell them because I was, I got tired of
34:40
just saying I'm gay. So and in college, I don't
34:43
really remember coming out to people.
34:45
I think I just like. Word.
34:48
Spread. I guess word spread.
34:49
We went to a smallish school and so I was grateful for that
34:52
because I didn't want to have to.
34:54
Yeah, I think in a small school, like once people, hey, sneakers,
34:58
it's OK, everything's OK. Once people find out, yeah,
35:05
people just know. Was that kind of your
35:06
experience? I don't know, like, it's
35:11
interesting because do you remember when you found out I
35:16
was by, like, yeah, right. Like, I just feel like it just
35:19
kind of like, not, I don't know. We also went to a school where
35:22
there was a lot of gay people. So I don't think it was like a
35:25
novel idea, which was really helpful, but it also was kind of
35:30
like a bubble because I was like, being gay is cool here.
35:35
Yeah. Not cool.
35:36
Yeah, Yeah. Being gay was like, well.
35:38
It's not uncool. It wasn't uncool, but also like
35:41
in this in these circles that I was in like gay circles and like
35:46
my gender studies program, I'm like, this is awesome.
35:49
Like I love gay people. Gay people are cool.
35:51
Gay people are cooler. Fact.
35:54
I wasn't scared to come out to my family.
35:56
And like, when me and my cousins came out together at an extended
36:00
family event, it was confusing to people.
36:04
I think also because they don't understand bisexuals.
36:08
It was also a shock to the system because I was like, wait,
36:10
this makes me cool. How do you guys not see that?
36:12
Like, I thought everyone was like, hip to that already, and
36:15
they weren't. And then, yeah.
36:20
And they weren't even like, mad. They weren't mad because I was
36:23
gay. I think that they people want
36:25
it, like you were saying, like a coming out tour.
36:27
People want their own special moment.
36:30
And so it's like that's why coming out.
36:33
I really hope that there's not we don't have to come out in the
36:36
future that like our kids will just all of a sudden just start
36:39
dating someone and then it's like you're just dating them.
36:42
Like it's not like what it wait, when did you realize?
36:46
Like, I mean, it's interesting to talk about now.
36:48
I just hope that there's a future soon where it's not this
36:53
huge moment. And I think that like I viewed
36:56
it so casually and fun and in a positive way.
37:00
And then it was turned into a negative thing by people.
37:03
I came out to where it was like, like in a serious kind of like,
37:08
I say this a lot. Like almost like I had, I was
37:11
unveiling a diagnosis. Like it wasn't like I was like,
37:15
by the way, I'm bisexual. And it's one thing to be like,
37:17
Oh my God, how did you know that's so exciting, Like like,
37:20
and want to learn more. But then there's another way to
37:22
be like, wait, I didn't know when did this happen in like
37:28
this insane tone? And then there was a lot of
37:30
people that would that were like, why didn't you tell me
37:33
first? And it has nothing to do with
37:35
your relationship with them. So I just feel like we had a
37:38
very different experience. And that's, and that's so true.
37:41
And like, that's something that, like you were saying hopefully
37:44
one day soon, we as a society, like, don't demand that gay
37:50
people come out. I think that's like the biggest
37:53
thing, right? Is that like, the default is
37:55
heterosexuality. Yeah.
37:56
When we talk about like a heteronormative society, that's
37:58
what we mean. Like, the default is you are
38:00
straight until you say you are not.
38:02
And that's a great segue for me into my gay.
38:05
I was just going to say. Because that I would say, like
38:10
for me is like one of my core values that like you do not core
38:16
values in the sense that like one of the things that I'm most
38:18
upset at society about if that can be a core value like the
38:23
opposite. Core frustration.
38:25
Yeah, like the core value, I guess, is the other side of
38:28
that. Like, what I value is like
38:31
recognizing and understanding that gay people don't have to
38:33
come out and gay people don't owe anything to anybody other
38:38
than, like, basic respect. But that's just like being a
38:40
human. So I just wanted to say one
38:41
thing before I forgot it because it reminded me the reason why I
38:44
came out was at least in my family, because at the time,
38:48
like I was in gender studies and gender sexuality studies and I
38:51
was like, I don't believe in coming out.
38:53
I think that I should just be able to like hook up with a girl
38:55
and everyone's like, she's hooking up the girls now,
38:57
whatever. But also I didn't want to tell
38:59
my family I was hooking up the girls.
39:00
That was like, why would I tell them that?
39:03
But I also didn't want them to assume I was straight just
39:05
because I was like femme. So I think the reason why I came
39:08
out was to be like, why would you assume I'm straight?
39:11
We need to stop assuming straight.
39:13
Someone post a rainbow on their story.
39:15
I literally will be like, maybe that person's gay Segway.
39:18
Taylor Swift, so like and that, yeah, so that's my biggest,
39:23
something I feel very strongly about is like we need to all
39:26
actively construct a society in which the default is not
39:31
heterosexuality. And that underlying current is
39:36
really like how I feel about Gaylor stuff.
39:39
I've always been a Swifty. My sister and I have always been
39:42
Taylor Swift fans. We, my sister actually been to
39:46
every tour. So she's a huge, huge 52.
39:49
I wasn't hip to the Gaylor phenomenon really until maybe
39:56
before you and I started dating. Really.
39:58
Wait, you were hip to it before we started?
40:00
Dating I think I like saw a couple things on like Twitter.
40:03
I didn't have TikTok yet, but and I wasn't, I've never really
40:06
been a big Reddit person, but I think I saw some like Twitter
40:10
threads that were like talking about, you know, stuff and I was
40:13
like, oh, that's really interesting.
40:14
Like I'm gay. I love Taylor Swift, really
40:15
cool, like love thinking about that.
40:19
And then obviously when you and I started dating, I learned so
40:23
much more and just like became like enthralled by, first of
40:26
all, how much you know about it and the, and how much there is
40:30
to analyze and to talk. Yeah, it's, it's incredible.
40:32
It's its own. Like.
40:35
Universe. And like, we went to a liberal
40:38
arts college, OK, we are used to dissecting.
40:42
Things we love to do it we. Both have read so much.
40:45
I mean, like I've taken some classes in your major.
40:47
We were both government majors, by the way.
40:48
We had a class together that was very.
40:50
Cute we did human rights and humanitarianism.
40:52
It's very important, the topic of human rights.
40:56
Human rights we are pro. We're pro them and but yeah,
41:03
like if you guys went to liberal arts colleges and stuff like
41:06
that's why I think it's funny when people like don't it's not
41:09
that deep. And it's like it always is.
41:11
It's always is. It's art.
41:13
Like Emily, how many classes do we take where it's like the, I
41:18
don't know, like the philosophy of everything and like Emily
41:20
Dickinson? And like, what did this like,
41:24
like author mean in the 50s? Were they, was this author trans
41:28
and maybe didn't have the language for that?
41:31
There's a lot of times in gender and sexualities where we would
41:33
talk about like, OK, this author is talking a lot about like
41:36
androgyny, androgyny, androgyny, androgyny or like gender roles
41:44
and stuff. Would this author now consider
41:47
them? And obviously not to like put
41:48
labels on them, but it's interesting to think about how
41:52
throughout history, like, if we have the certain language and
41:56
it's like maybe Emily Dickinson lives now, would she be like,
42:00
I'm a lesbian, you know what I mean?
42:02
And like, it's very normal to talk about sexuality because
42:05
it's an important part of, it's an important part of like our
42:10
world. But it's also so interesting to
42:12
think about, like how people would identify if they were,
42:17
like, allowed to, because if they said things out right, per
42:21
Taylor Swift, they would be scrutinized.
42:24
Yeah, I think I, I, I do think that that's important like our
42:28
background of like educational and like, also what we find fun.
42:31
Like, I find it fun to like, think about like analyze things.
42:35
It's like, yeah, study government and African American
42:37
studies and like you spent classes just like thinking about
42:40
like one page about what does this mean?
42:45
And so, yeah, I, I really take issue, especially when people
42:48
talking about Taylor Swift are like, that's crazy.
42:51
Why are you analyzing her lyrics?
42:52
Number one, she profits off of that.
42:54
So like she's putting all of this content, this information,
42:58
this art into the public sphere. That's crazy.
43:02
I'm sorry to think that she doesn't want us to analyze it.
43:04
Not only has she said she literally puts an Easter eggs
43:06
for us to do so and that she loves that we do so, but also
43:09
just more broadly, even if she didn't say that, it's normal to
43:12
analyze what an artist does, especially when they're as big
43:14
as Taylor Swift and it's. Public work. #2 my biggest, one
43:20
of my biggest issues too. And you've been wanting to talk.
43:22
I have been wanting to. Talk about this because like I
43:25
said, it goes to my, it goes to my like feelings of like this
43:31
default of, of heterosexuality. I'm going to everybody like,
43:37
listen up if you're driving, like stop if you're doing
43:40
something, no. Because.
43:42
Because this is. Serious, if you're cleaning your
43:44
house, just like, take a pause. Bisexual people exist.
43:49
Yes, Ally. Because this is my biggest
43:52
issue. Travis Kelsey Taylor Swift OK,
43:55
here we go love. They're great.
43:57
If they're dating, that's awesome.
43:59
If they're not, that's awesome. I'm it really doesn't have to do
44:02
with if you believe in a contract, if you believe it's
44:04
PR. Let's say for argument's sake,
44:08
they are together to analyze Taylor Swift's lyrics of Maroon
44:13
of the Great War of like choose your own adventure of like a
44:17
Gaylor lyric, not necessarily Kaylor, but like Gaylor, Diane
44:21
Agron, like Karla Kloss, like let's just get into it doesn't
44:24
matter who to analyze that lyric and say this is gay because of
44:28
XY and Z in like your last episode on like queer flagging
44:32
and like all of your content of like.
44:34
So pick any of those. To say those things is not
44:40
offensive to her relationship with Travis Kelsey.
44:43
It doesn't invalidate. It doesn't invalidate her
44:47
relationship with Travis Kelsey. To say that she is gay does not
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mean that she can't be dating Travis Kelce.
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Two things can be true. Bisexual people exist and like,
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that's my biggest issue is when people on the Internet or
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whoever it is say, well #1 she's dating Travis Kelce, give it.
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A rest. It's like whoa.
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This is not the point and #2 I just really, really, really,
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really hate when people say, well, she hasn't come out yet so
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she's not gay. It's like that, I think goes
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back to just like our conversation of like a gay tour
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a like whatever. It's like you cannot, we have to
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stop assuming. If you say that and you have gay
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friends and you and you want to be a part of like making society
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like a more accepting place, then you need to rethink what
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you're saying. If you say you need to come out
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or you can't be gay, then you can't claim to like, want to
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like, forge a better society. For an hour.
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Totally like you, and that's fine, but like, oh not like, but
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you have to understand that. You have to accept that.
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Like if you think that you can't be gay unless you come out, you
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have to accept that. Like, that's homophobic.
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And you And if you really, really, truly believe that, you
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can't also say I want to work to make this society a more
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accepting, loving place for LGBTQ people.
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Because what they're really saying is everyone is assumed
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straight until I hear you tell me the exact words I want to
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hear in order to see that you're gay.
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That's what they're saying is like, so let's use their logic.
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Freshman year I'm like, well, I don't think Sophia is gay.
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She didn't tell me she's a lesbian.
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Right, right, right. Like, well, no, she said it to
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people and like whatever. And it's not offensive for me to
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be like, oh, I think that she's gay.
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People are like, well don't say she's gay until she tells you or
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writes an instant Instagram post that says I'm gay and this is
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just another person to think that you're an option for me.
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Exactly. I think that's and that's like
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the maybe the last pillar that I have about it.
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And like, like gay is not a bad thing to say.
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And I and I love like we are so on the same page with this.
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Like you say this all the time, but I also take issue with with
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Swifty fans, with people in general being like, you're
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calling her gay, that's bad, that's offensive, that's so
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gross, that's weird. Weird.
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It's like, don't think about her sex.
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What do you want to say to people that say don't think
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about her sexuality? That's like invasive.
47:21
I think that that's weird. I think that like making
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sexuality, OK, this is what I think about sexuality and sex,
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the act of sex are not the same thing.
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We are talking about her sexuality.
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Like you have to be able to separate those two things do.
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They not know what that is. It's a community.
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It's an identity, like the type of set, like whatever.
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So like, that's what I would say to those people of like, you
47:46
need to be able to separate those two things in your head
47:49
because when we talk about, those are the same people who
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love to talk about Taylor Swift and Travis Kelce together, but
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that's not gross and weird. Right, that's the same.
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Thing separate this idea that like you are straight until like
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it's not innocent until proven guilty.
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Like, Oh my. God, they're like, they look
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well, until she tells me, then I won't believe it.
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It's like this insane standard that we're forcing gay people
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and this is not, this is for straight people.
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And once again, just because you want.
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To make. Just because you people want to
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make the argument that Taylor Swift has only outwardly been
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with men, which I think is again arguable.
48:28
Like hello once again by people exist like she could have just
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maybe in your mind, but now even but she could.
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Never ever has ever been with a girl.
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She could still be by right? Like right.
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They don't understand that. I don't become by the second you
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kiss a girl, you are you can right.
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So those are those are my biggest gaylor thoughts because
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I am so intrigued by like all of the analyzing of lyrics and all
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of that. It's so much fun.
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But when I'm on the Internet and I see people talk about it, I'm
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more so like overcome by like just like annoyance and like
49:07
frustration that like people, the discourse around it is so
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implicitly homophobic and like explicitly in some regards as
49:16
well. Once again, if you want to like,
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forge a new society, a more accepting and loving society for
49:22
LGBTQ people, you cannot think that you are straight until you
49:26
come out. You just can't.
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What do you have to say to or about queer people?
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Because there's some queer people, and I don't think most,
49:37
I think it's a very small percentage that are sometimes in
49:39
my comments that are saying, well, I'm a lesbian, but I think
49:43
it's outing her to talk about her sexuality before she has
49:48
come out. I don't think you can out a
49:52
public figure that you don't have like personal specific
49:56
information about. I think outing someone is a
50:01
really important concept that was like intended to protect
50:04
people in like really dangerous and potentially harmful
50:07
environments. And I think you out somebody
50:10
when you know them personally, when you have specific knowledge
50:14
from that person that's like verifiable and you tell and you
50:18
tell people. I think that analyzing Taylor
50:21
Swift's lyrics is completely different because, I mean,
50:26
unless something Taylor Swift hasn't texted me or called me
50:29
and told me, hey, I'm gay, don't say anything.
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I I, I also think that like my response to queer people and my
50:35
response to straight people when it comes to certain discourses
50:40
around this is like kind of similar.
50:42
Like, yeah, maybe you can give more leeway to, to queer people,
50:46
but like queer people can still be implicitly homophobic.
50:49
I think a lot of queer people are, I think I was, and I think
50:52
that that's something you have to actively unlearn and, and
50:56
work at. But if a queer person says she's
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straight because she hasn't come out yet.
51:02
And my response to them would be the same if a straight person
51:04
said that. All of history, there have been
51:06
debates about art. And so, like, great.
51:08
People can think she's straight. That's great.
51:10
But like, yeah, but you can't. But I think the issue I have an
51:13
issue when it becomes you're gross.
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You're, you know, disgusting for thinking about her sexuality.
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What is your favorite gay song of Taylor Swift?
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'S OK Favorite gay song is probably Ivy.
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I thought you were going to say dress.
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Yeah, dressed. I mean so many, but if I had to
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pick one, I think I would pick Ivy.
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That song is so amazing. It's so like focused on like
51:43
longing and like an unrequited love and like a love that's not
51:48
accepted. And it also played in Dickinson
51:51
and like, sorry, but like, that was enough for me.
51:56
So Ivy's my favorite gay song. The biggest Easter egg was
52:02
cheese. There's so many, I don't know if
52:05
it's like one for the money, 2 for the show, like anything.
52:08
Daisy is huge, absolutely huge. The Vogue 72 questions or
52:15
whatever. When the guy was like I'm taking
52:18
my wife, It's my wife and eyes anniversary where Sherry take
52:20
her. She's like, that's great,
52:21
congratulations. And take her to Big Sur.
52:23
And like, I don't just like, yeah, she could have been.
52:26
She could have gone to Big Sir with her bestie girl, Karlie
52:28
Kloss. And just like, loved him and
52:30
like, Oh my God, this would be such a cute place for people to
52:32
go on like an anniversary trip. But also, I really do think that
52:35
they were together. It's been.
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So wonderful having you on the show.
52:39
Was so fun. Thank you for having me.
52:41
This was so much fun, I'm honored.
52:43
I know you've been wanting to talk about your Gaylor thoughts
52:46
a while because she's on the Internet to you guys.
52:49
She's sleuthing in the comments. I am.
52:51
You don't want Sophia to hear it.
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Don't. Say it at all.
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No, I am, but I just, I'm really thank you for having me to talk
52:56
about this because I feel very passionately about it in the
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realm of Gaylor. And then also more broadly, like
53:04
if our goal is to make a better society for gay people, we need
53:08
to. This discourse around Gaylord is
53:11
like, is part of that. Yeah.
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I love. You.
53:14
I love you too. Wait, let's have sneakers say
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goodbye. OK, Bye sneakers