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Murder In Moscow: Moscow Police Walk Back Their Initial Comments About The Target Of The Attack · Beyond The Horizon

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  Speaker 1: What's up everyone and welcome back to the program. Since
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  Speaker 1: the very beginning stages of the investigation into what happened
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  Speaker 1: up in Moscow, I have said that the messaging has
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  Speaker 1: been absolutely horrible and it remains so today. I wake
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  Speaker 1: up this morning and now they're backtracking on if the
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  Speaker 1: students were targeted? What in the hell is going on
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  Speaker 1: up in Moscow, folks? That's the real question we should
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  Speaker 1: be asking ourselves. And I know, again, there's people out
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  Speaker 1: there That want to believe that the police officers, the investigators,
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  Speaker 1: that they can do no wrong. And for me, it's
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  Speaker 1: a put up or shut up kind of job. It's
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  Speaker 1: just like sports, right? You're only as good as your
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  Speaker 1: last play. And they can talk about their investigation. They
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  Speaker 1: can talk about the integrity of it. They can talk
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  Speaker 1: about what a great job they're doing. But the fact remains,
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  Speaker 1: the messaging is absolutely, positively terrible. Now, I won't pile
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  Speaker 1: on the investigators as far as what they're doing behind
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  Speaker 1: the scenes because I'm not privy to that. They might
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  Speaker 1: be making headway. They might, you know, have some information
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  Speaker 1: that they're chasing down. We don't know that. All I
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  Speaker 1: can talk about is what I see. And I'm not
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  Speaker 1: going to sit here and blow smoke up anyone's ass.
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  Speaker 1: For those of you who have been listening to my
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  Speaker 1: podcast for, oh, I don't know, three years now, you
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  Speaker 1: already know how I roll. I'm going to follow the
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  Speaker 1: evidence wherever it goes and And if that leads me
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  Speaker 1: to criticizing the investigation or the messaging of that investigation,
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  Speaker 1: then that's what I'm going to do. Can you imagine
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  Speaker 1: if we didn't criticize the FBI during the Jeffrey Epstein escapade?
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  Speaker 1: Can you imagine letting them just get away with what
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  Speaker 1: they thought they were going to get away with? Zero chance.
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  Speaker 1: So people need to realize that it's okay to have
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  Speaker 1: some faith in law enforcement. They're, for the most part,
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  Speaker 1: good people. But that doesn't mean that they're infallible, that
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  Speaker 1: they can't make mistakes. So it's up to the public,
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  Speaker 1: you know, who pays the salary, and the media especially,
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  Speaker 1: to make sure they stay in line. And when they
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  Speaker 1: have bad messaging, that has to be pointed out. Because
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  Speaker 1: what it does is it just sows more confusion, and
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  Speaker 1: it makes things much more difficult for themselves. You know,
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  Speaker 1: you want to talk about misinformation, they're putting out their
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  Speaker 1: own misinformation. So it's really not a good look, to
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  Speaker 1: be honest with you. And it really doesn't instill too
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  Speaker 1: much confidence in me. Now, not that that matters much.
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  Speaker 1: I'm just some guy with a podcast, right? But what
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  Speaker 1: I mean is, I'm sure the public overall is not
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  Speaker 1: very confident in what's going on right now. You see,
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  Speaker 1: the students are scared. The campus is empty. People are
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  Speaker 1: buying guns. I mean, for real, for real, in the
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  Speaker 1: town of Moscow, all of a sudden, it's the east
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  Speaker 1: side of Las Vegas. So yeah, there's people with legitimate
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  Speaker 1: concerns and there's people who are legitimately scared. And when
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  Speaker 1: the police have wrong information or they backtrack on information,
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  Speaker 1: they come out and say it's targeted. The community is
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  Speaker 1: not in any danger. Then they walk that back. Then
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  Speaker 1: they come out and say, oh, wait, it's not targeted.
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  Speaker 1: We really don't know what's going on, basically. And you
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  Speaker 1: expect people to have confidence in that? I'm certainly not
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  Speaker 1: going to be one of these people that says, don't
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  Speaker 1: worry folks, everything's fine, while the house is on fire.
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  Speaker 1: Today's article is from the Daily Mail. Headline, Idaho cops
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  Speaker 1: now insist they do not know if murdered university students
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  Speaker 1: were targeted in major backflip as father of one of
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  Speaker 1: the victims tells moving candlelight vigil his daughter died in
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  Speaker 1: the same bed as her best friend. This article was
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  Speaker 1: authored by Hope Smith. Idaho law enforcement officials now say
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  Speaker 1: they are not sure if the murder of four college
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  Speaker 1: students were targeted in a major backflip in the case.
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  Speaker 1: So here's where I'm at with this, okay? When you
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  Speaker 1: have something like this go down, the first thing you
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  Speaker 1: do is you check everybody close to the people who
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  Speaker 1: were hurt. People in their circle, ex-boyfriends, people that were around.
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  Speaker 1: Once the police have ruled all of those people out,
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  Speaker 1: where are we? Well, we're at a place where, obviously,
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  Speaker 1: the police are starting from square one as well, and
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  Speaker 1: they're trying to build a picture of who might have
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  Speaker 1: come across these people, these murdered college kids, and ended
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  Speaker 1: up doing this. But they don't seem to be at
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  Speaker 1: a place where they've made any ground here. And in fact,
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  Speaker 1: going back like this and saying that the house wasn't targeted,
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  Speaker 1: so then that opens up the pathway to say, then
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  Speaker 1: this was a random attack by some random psychopath. So
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  Speaker 1: if that's the case, how can they rule out the
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  Speaker 1: other stabbings and the skinned dog? Now, I'm not saying
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  Speaker 1: that that stuff is connected, but how can you rule
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  Speaker 1: it out so quickly when you're already walking back this
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  Speaker 1: targeted attack stuff? My guess is they went into this
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  Speaker 1: investigation under the premise that it was going to be
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  Speaker 1: somebody in their circle. And that's what they focused on.
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  Speaker 1: That's what they keyed in on. Now that some of
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  Speaker 1: the forensics has come back, they've done their legwork as
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  Speaker 1: far as the investigation, perhaps that road has led them nowhere.
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  Speaker 1: And now they have to reevaluate and think out of
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  Speaker 1: the box a little bit. And that's when things get
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  Speaker 1: real dicey. If we have some kind of wild maniac
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  Speaker 1: psychopath on the loose, that's when things get real dicey, folks.
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  Speaker 1: And while it's certainly not something that I would just
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  Speaker 1: default to say, personally, I thought that this would be
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  Speaker 1: somebody in their personal circle as well. An ex-boyfriend, a stalker,
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  Speaker 1: something like that. But when you come out and say
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  Speaker 1: that the house wasn't targeted, it really opens things up
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  Speaker 1: for people to go a different way. And obviously you
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  Speaker 1: have to look at every avenue. And I hope that
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  Speaker 1: the investigators haven't had tunnel vision on it being somebody
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  Speaker 1: in their social circle. The Moscow Police Department issued a
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  Speaker 1: press release on Wednesday saying that they are now unsure
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  Speaker 1: of the claim that the attack on the University of
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  Speaker 1: Idaho students was intended for any of the occupants of
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  Speaker 1: the home. Detectives do not currently know if the residents
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  Speaker 1: or any occupants were specifically targeted, but continue to investigate,
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  Speaker 1: detectives said. Boy, that really instills a lot of confidence
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  Speaker 1: in the investigation. And for people who are, you know,
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  Speaker 1: following along like the families, I'm sure that they're just
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  Speaker 1: over the moon with the messaging here. The shock announcement
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  Speaker 1: came as family and friends were gathering to honor and
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  Speaker 1: remember Kaylee Gonsalves, Maddie Mogan, Zanna Kernodle, and Ethan Chapin,
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  Speaker 1: who were murdered on November 13th at their off-campus house.
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  Speaker 1: No suspects have been publicly identified, and the murder weapon
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  Speaker 1: has not been recovered. Kaylee's father, Steve Gonsalves, told the
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  Speaker 1: crowd that his daughter died in the same bed as
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  Speaker 1: her best friend, Maddie. It had previously been reported the
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  Speaker 1: two girls were in separate bedrooms when they were stabbed
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  Speaker 1: to death. By the unknown assailant. So that clears that
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  Speaker 1: up as well. Now we have confirmation that Kaylee and
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  Speaker 1: Maddie were in the bed together when they were killed.
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  Speaker 1: So that makes a little more sense for me. You
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  Speaker 1: have two bedrooms now with two occupants. And the murderer, killers, whoever,
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  Speaker 1: went into each of these rooms. And it didn't have
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  Speaker 1: to go into three or four separate rooms. Two bedrooms.
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  Speaker 1: So that makes a little more sense how they were
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  Speaker 1: able to pull something like this off. Early Wednesday morning,
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  Speaker 1: Latah County Prosecutor Bill Thompson told a local news station
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  Speaker 1: that investigators believe that this attack was intended for a
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  Speaker 1: specific person. Within hours, however, the Moscow Police Department posted
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  Speaker 1: to their social media accounts, making a clarification. Conflicting information
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  Speaker 1: has been released over the past 24 hours. The Latah
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  Speaker 1: County Prosecutor's Office stated that the suspects specifically looked at
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  Speaker 1: this residence and one or more of the occupants were
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  Speaker 1: undoubtedly targeted, the police department said in a post. We
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  Speaker 1: have spoken with the Latah County Prosecutor's Office and identified
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  Speaker 1: this was a miscommunication. What did I say in the
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  Speaker 1: previous article? How is it that the prosecutor's office is
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  Speaker 1: out here talking out of the side of their neck
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  Speaker 1: without speaking to the police? And then you want to
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  Speaker 1: tell me that I should have confidence in the investigation? Sorry,
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  Speaker 1: I'm a trust but verify kind of guy. And I'm
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  Speaker 1: willing to give investigators the benefit of the doubt. But
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  Speaker 1: when you guys can't even get it together with basic
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  Speaker 1: communication between the investigators and the prosecutor's office, I don't
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  Speaker 1: really know what to say about that. This wasn't the
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  Speaker 1: first time officials close to the case had said it
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  Speaker 1: was a targeted attack, however. Earlier this week, Moscow Police
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  Speaker 1: Chief James Fry told ABC News that police still believe
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  Speaker 1: this is a targeted attack. Everyone wants answers. We want
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  Speaker 1: to give those answers as soon as we can, Fry said. Well,
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  Speaker 1: if you're going to give misinformation and you're going to
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  Speaker 1: walk back comments and clarify this or that right after
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  Speaker 1: the prosecutor says it, then you guys should just have
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  Speaker 1: a gag order on yourselves and not say a damn word.
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  Speaker 1: Because you're causing much more confusion and you're sowing your
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  Speaker 1: own seeds of doubt here. Police had initially said they
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  Speaker 1: believed there was no imminent threat to the community, but
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  Speaker 1: they later walked that back too. Fry told ABC News,
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  Speaker 1: I own the messaging problem at the very beginning. We
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  Speaker 1: should have done a little better than that. We needed
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  Speaker 1: to correct that. Well, I hate to break the news
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  Speaker 1: to you guys, but it's still not corrected. And while
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  Speaker 1: I won't attack the actual investigative work that's being done
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  Speaker 1: on the ground because I'm in no position to do that,
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  Speaker 1: I will criticize the messaging because it's bad. On November 23rd,
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  Speaker 1: Moscow police captain Roger Lanier said the investigators did in
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  Speaker 1: fact believe the group killed was targeted. So that's fine.
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  Speaker 1: If you initially believe that, that's what you should come
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  Speaker 1: out and say. Our initial investigation has led us to
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  Speaker 1: believe that it's possible that this was a targeted attack.
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  Speaker 1: We're still doing our investigation. We don't have all of
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  Speaker 1: the facts yet, but we know that there's a threat
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  Speaker 1: that's out there in the community. We want everyone to
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  Speaker 1: be safe. I mean, look, I'm certainly not the smartest
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  Speaker 1: guy in the world. I'm lucky I can tie my shoes,
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  Speaker 1: but some pretty basic messaging there. We've told the public
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  Speaker 1: very clearly from the beginning that we believe it was
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  Speaker 1: a targeted attack, Lanier said at the time. To be honest,
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  Speaker 1: you're going to have to trust us on that at
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  Speaker 1: this point because we're not going to release why we
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  Speaker 1: think that. I'd love to trust you guys. And believe me,
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  Speaker 1: I trust the work that's being done on the ground
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  Speaker 1: by the investigators themselves. But once again, how can you
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  Speaker 1: expect people to implicitly trust you and say you're just
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  Speaker 1: going to have to trust us when you're walking everything back? Additionally,
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  Speaker 1: Idaho State Police Communications Director Aaron Snell had previously stated
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  Speaker 1: as well that they believed the attack was targeted. There
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  Speaker 1: were survivors of this, and then as well, based on
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  Speaker 1: the evidence internally at the scene, that has led detectives
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  Speaker 1: to believe and continue to believe that this was a
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  Speaker 1: targeted event, Snell told Fox News Digital on November 26th. Well,
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  Speaker 1: what if the girls' doors were locked and the perpetrator
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  Speaker 1: couldn't get in there? You know, there's a whole lot
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  Speaker 1: we don't know. And I'm guessing, obviously, the investigators have
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  Speaker 1: asked these questions, I would hope, and they've covered this
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  Speaker 1: ground already. But just because we have two survivors here,
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  Speaker 1: we can't just rule out that, oh, the other four
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  Speaker 1: were the ones who were targeted. There's just a whole
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  Speaker 1: lot that's left on the table here, folks, and we
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  Speaker 1: just don't know. And my fear is, neither do the investigators.
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  Speaker 1: Within hours of the Moscow Police Department issuing the clarification
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  Speaker 1: on Wednesday, loved ones and community members gathered on campus
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  Speaker 1: for a ceremony remembering the four students. Mr. Gonsalves revealed
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  Speaker 1: for the first time how his daughter died alongside her
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  Speaker 1: longtime best friend Maddie in the same bed. And it's
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  Speaker 1: really disgusting to think that these poor girls were murdered
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  Speaker 1: as they slept. But one consolation, even if it's small,
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  Speaker 1: is at least they were with each other at this
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  Speaker 1: horrible time. They were best friends, inseparable, and it's fitting
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  Speaker 1: that they were together when this all occurred. The grieving
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  Speaker 1: father called the girls absolutely beautiful and shared his gratefulness
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  Speaker 1: over the girls finding each other in 6th grade. And
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  Speaker 1: every day, they did homework together, they came to our
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  Speaker 1: house together, they shared everything, Steve said. Then, they started
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  Speaker 1: looking at colleges. They came here together. They eventually... got
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  Speaker 1: into the same apartment together, and in the end, they
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  Speaker 1: died together in the same room, in the same bed.
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  Speaker 1: Just absolutely heartbreaking stuff. Absolutely, positively heartbreaking stuff. And the
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  Speaker 1: way the families are grieving and the way that they
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  Speaker 1: memorialized the students who were murdered, it was very powerful stuff.
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  Speaker 1: This announcement came as a bit of a shock to many.
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  Speaker 1: Before Wednesday evening clarification from Kaylee's father, it was widely
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  Speaker 1: reported that the two girls had been in separate beds
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  Speaker 1: and bedrooms when they were brutally murdered. Steve said during
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  Speaker 1: the vigil that in his dark time, he has found
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  Speaker 1: comfort in the knowledge that his daughter was with her
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  Speaker 1: best friend. I know I would find some comfort in
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  Speaker 1: that as well. I don't have kids and it's easy
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  Speaker 1: to project and say, oh, I would feel this way
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  Speaker 1: or that way, but it would give me some comfort
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  Speaker 1: to know that my child, my daughter or my son
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  Speaker 1: Died with their best friend, at least. But the beauty
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  Speaker 1: of the two always being together, he continued, was that
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  Speaker 1: they were with their best friends in the whole world.
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  Speaker 1: It's like a book. It's like some kind of terrible chapter,
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  Speaker 1: but there's beauty in it. And we're going to get
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  Speaker 1: our justice. We're going to figure this stuff out. This
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  Speaker 1: community deserves that, he said. Yo, I am on board, Mr. Gonsalves.
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  Speaker 1: My fat yap will keep running about the story 100%,
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  Speaker 1: and we'll keep talking about it factually. We'll bring you
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  Speaker 1: the reports every day. That way everyone's aware of what's
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  Speaker 1: going on. And like usual, I'll leave it up to
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  Speaker 1: you to come up with your own opinions. Ben Mogan,
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  Speaker 1: Maddie's father, also spoke at the ceremony about he and
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  Speaker 1: his wife Karen's only daughter. The father described his daughter
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  Speaker 1: as a smart and funny and beautiful. She was just
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  Speaker 1: nice to everybody. Stacey Chapin, Ethan's mom, said they were
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  Speaker 1: focused on sharing Ethan's legacy. We are eternally grateful that
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  Speaker 1: we spent so much time with him. And I want
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  Speaker 1: to remind you that that's the most important message that
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  Speaker 1: we have for you and your families is to make
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  Speaker 1: sure that you spend as much time as possible with
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  Speaker 1: those people because time is precious and it's something you
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  Speaker 1: can't get back. She said that's 100% correct. Our life,
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  Speaker 1: our time here on this planet is very short and
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  Speaker 1: it's finite. And what we do at that time is
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  Speaker 1: very important. And I've learned that as I've gotten older,
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  Speaker 1: my priorities have shifted like I couldn't even believe they would.
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  Speaker 1: Whereas I was focused on myself all the time. When
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  Speaker 1: my girlfriend was diagnosed with stage two breast cancer, everything
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  Speaker 1: changed and my whole world stopped at that moment. And
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  Speaker 1: I realized that it's not about me. And ever since
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  Speaker 1: that moment, I've had clarity and I've understood that, you
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  Speaker 1: know what, the time that you spend with people is
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  Speaker 1: so important. And I would give up vacations, whatever it
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  Speaker 1: is nowadays, to make sure that I'm spending quality time
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  Speaker 1: with my family and the people that I know care
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  Speaker 1: about me and love me and support me. Because you're
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  Speaker 1: never going to get those minutes you waste back. As
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  Speaker 1: of November 30th, 17 days out from when the students
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  Speaker 1: were murdered, no suspects have been publicly identified. The murder weapon,
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  Speaker 1: believed to be a fixed blade knife, also has not
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  Speaker 1: been recovered. Earlier this week, Mr. Gonzalez revealed he did
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  Speaker 1: not have a funeral for his daughter for fear her
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  Speaker 1: monster killer would attend. If I was an investigator and
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  Speaker 1: I heard that, I would have fits trying to sleep
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  Speaker 1: at night knowing that a father is feeling like that.
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  Speaker 1: And I'm sure a lot of the investigators do feel
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  Speaker 1: like that. They're taking it personal. And hopefully with them
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  Speaker 1: taking it personal, the FBI especially, they're doing everything in
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  Speaker 1: their power right now to bring this person to justice.
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  Speaker 1: In an interview with Fox News, the girl's father also
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  Speaker 1: said that the police have reached out to multiple outside
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  Speaker 1: agencies for additional help with the case and the massive
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  Speaker 1: amount of evidence that needs to be tested and sorted.
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  Speaker 1: They're going to have to go through that point by point,
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  Speaker 1: and that's going to take a lot of time, he
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  Speaker 1: told Fox. That's why they reached out to other facilities
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  Speaker 1: to help them with the lab work. Look, the federal
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  Speaker 1: government needs to get involved here, and if it takes
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  Speaker 1: labs from neighboring states or whatever, why don't we bring
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  Speaker 1: in a couple mobile labs? We have the money to
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  Speaker 1: do it. There's plenty of dough. Bring in a mobile lab,
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  Speaker 1: have it on site, and let them run the processes
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  Speaker 1: through there. Despite public outcry, law enforcement officials have not
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  Speaker 1: released a profile relating to the killer and have said
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  Speaker 1: that it could damage their investigation. Police said that they
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  Speaker 1: believe releasing a profile could lead to more fear and
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  Speaker 1: suspicion in the town. I mean, how much more fear
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  Speaker 1: and suspicion do you think you're going to add here, buddy?
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  Speaker 1: People are buying guns, deadlocks, carrying bear mace, brass knuckles,
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  Speaker 1: and you're worried about more fear? What are you going
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  Speaker 1: to do to alleviate the fear that's already here? That's
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  Speaker 1: the question. Currently, many students at the University of Idaho
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  Speaker 1: have already expressed interest in staying home after winter break.
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  Speaker 1: or transitioning to online classes, officials said. And again, like
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  Speaker 1: we talked about, that's bad news for the community as
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  Speaker 1: a whole. This whole entire place relies on the money
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  Speaker 1: from these students. And if they're not in town going
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  Speaker 1: to bars, going to restaurants, using laundromats, the whole town's
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  Speaker 1: going to suffer. Moscow police officials said Sunday they've seen
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  Speaker 1: an uptick in calls from worried residents reporting unusual circumstances.
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  Speaker 1: In the last month, they said they have received over
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  Speaker 1: 70 calls, up from just 18 for the same issue
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  Speaker 1: throughout October. We understand. There is a sense of fear
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  Speaker 1: within our community, police said. Yeah, no shit there is,
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  Speaker 1: and it's legitimate. When you have four people murdered in
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  Speaker 1: a college town like this, you better believe there's going
• 18:17
  Speaker 1: to be fear. Former FBI investigator Bill Daley recently posed
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  Speaker 1: his own theory into the stabbings after police revealed there
• 18:27
  Speaker 1: have been an increase in unusual circumstances since the students
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  Speaker 1: were murdered. There are a couple of things. that are
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  Speaker 1: starting to suggest that there was someone in these people's
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  Speaker 1: orbit that caused this incident to come about by this murder.
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  Speaker 1: Daley said, I think it's the opposite at this point,
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  Speaker 1: to be honest with you. I think that if it
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  Speaker 1: was somebody in their circle, somebody that the police were
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  Speaker 1: aware of, there was a known gripe or grievance, then
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  Speaker 1: we will already have a person of interest or somebody
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  Speaker 1: at the very least that, you know, the media is
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  Speaker 1: talking about. Remember, this is a small town. If they
• 19:00
  Speaker 1: had somebody behind the scenes, a person of interest, a suspect,
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  Speaker 1: you think there would be no leaks? I have a
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  Speaker 1: hard time believing that. Daly told Fox News he believes
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  Speaker 1: there is justification for the argument that the murders were
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  Speaker 1: targeted also. Of course there's justification for it, we just
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  Speaker 1: don't know. The problem is the messaging. They can't come
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  Speaker 1: out and say it's targeted and then walk that back.
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  Speaker 1: Someone would have had to know the inside of the home.
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  Speaker 1: Know their routine, Daly said. If it was someone on
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  Speaker 1: a rampage, like a mass murderer, they would have also
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  Speaker 1: gone downstairs and harmed the others. Unless those doors were
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  Speaker 1: locked and they didn't want to, you know, break them
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  Speaker 1: open and cause a disturbance. They obviously didn't want to
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  Speaker 1: make noise. They used a knife. So I don't really
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  Speaker 1: know how far Mr. Daly's theory goes here or how
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  Speaker 1: much it holds up. Now, of course, it's a possibility.
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  Speaker 1: I'm not saying that didn't happen. but now we're having
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  Speaker 1: the actual investigators walk that theory back the two other
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  Speaker 1: roommates dylan mortensen and bethany funk were at home on
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  Speaker 1: the night of the attack but survived they have both
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  Speaker 1: been ruled out as suspects In addition to investigating the
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  Speaker 1: targeted theory, police have been working overtime to disprove some
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  Speaker 1: of the theories that have been running rampant on social
• 20:12
  Speaker 1: media as the nation continues to wonder what happened to
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  Speaker 1: the students. At one point, we heard the victims were
• 20:18
  Speaker 1: bound and gagged, Snell said in a recent interview. We
• 20:21
  Speaker 1: were able to successfully say, no, that's not indeed accurate.
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  Speaker 1: And so we were trying to put out that information.
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  Speaker 1: And they keep talking about that bound and gagged rumor.
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  Speaker 1: I never even heard that, to be honest with you. Now,
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: I'm sure it was out there because, as I've talked
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: about previously, there's some wild people who have nothing better
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: to do with their time than come up with wild theories.
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  Speaker 1: While autopsies did reveal that the four young adults had
• 20:46
  Speaker 1: been stabbed multiple times each and that some had defensive wounds,
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  Speaker 1: Snell said investigators have found no evidence that proves any
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  Speaker 1: of the victims were bound and gagged, a theory that
• 20:56
  Speaker 1: had been circulating online. Snell also recently denied that the
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: quadruple murder was tied to other knife stabbings in Idaho, Washington,
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  Speaker 1: and Oregon. I mean, okay, but how did you rule
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  Speaker 1: that out? There's not very much to go on here.
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  Speaker 1: It's not like it's that far away, and the attacks
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  Speaker 1: are very, very similar. We don't believe that at this time.
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  Speaker 1: These murders are actually linked to other two knife murders
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  Speaker 1: that have occurred, he said, adding that they are aware
• 21:23
  Speaker 1: of the incidents and have looked into them. Police continue
• 21:27
  Speaker 1: to ask the public to submit any tips, significant or not,
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  Speaker 1: as it may help them to solve the murders and
• 21:32
  Speaker 1: bring closure to the four students' families. So you don't
• 21:35
  Speaker 1: want to have a profile out or you don't want
• 21:37
  Speaker 1: to have a reward because it might inundate you with
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: tips and information. But then in every article, we hear
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: that the police are asking for information. So which way
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: is it? Your information, whether you believe it is significant
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: or not, might be a piece of the puzzle to
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: help investigators solve these murders, Moscow police recently stated. So
• 21:58
  Speaker 1: when they talk about, you know, sleuthing, I get it, right?
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  Speaker 1: People go a little bit too far. But if people
• 22:05
  Speaker 1: actually have quality information to share, they should share that.
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  Speaker 1: And then it's up to the investigators to go through
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  Speaker 1: all of that information and find out if any of
• 22:14
  Speaker 1: it is relevant. So folks, for me, Very concerning that
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: they keep walking back the messaging that we're not getting
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  Speaker 1: a quality, you know, narrative from the investigators. And I'm
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: not talking about what they're doing behind the scenes. I'm
• 22:27
  Speaker 1: talking about a basic rundown of their investigation. You know,
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: when they call these press conferences, at the very least,
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: you should have something to say. But when you're walking
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: back commentary like this, you're walking back huge parts of
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: what people are thinking the story is. It's going to
• 22:45
  Speaker 1: cause an uproar and it's going to cause a lot
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: of criticism for the investigation. So hopefully behind the scenes,
• 22:52
  Speaker 1: things are going a bit more smoothly and they have
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: some leads to follow that they're not telling us about. However,
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: I am not too confident in the overall process or
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: progress that we're seeing here at this point. So hopefully
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: there'll be a break soon. The investigators will get something.
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: Maybe some of this DNA comes back and leads them
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: in a direction that is worth exploring. But that's going
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: to do it for this one, folks. If you'd like
• 23:16
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