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Oscars 2026 – Nominations: the Best Picture 10, surprises, & stats · CinemaHounds - A Lorehounds Podcast

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[SPEAKER_06]: with the Oscar nominees announced this week on the 22nd of January.
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[SPEAKER_06]: A word season is now fully underway and we are here to share it with you.
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[SPEAKER_06]: We are the Laura Hounds.
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[SPEAKER_06]: Come for the banter.
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[SPEAKER_06]: Stay for the fun facts and stats.
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[SPEAKER_06]: I'm Alicia.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And I'm David and this is our reaction podcast for the 2026 Oscar nominations.
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[SPEAKER_03]: This year third season of covering the Oscars, yeah, and you've got a full slate of activities and projects and podcasts going on, pretty exciting.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So this podcast, we're going to do our traditional UNI, so chewing through the nominations, the primary nominations, you'll see explain a little bit more that later, and then everyone can figure out and hear what you've got planned for the full coverage.
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[SPEAKER_06]: Yes, stick around until the end for a preview of what other episodes are coming, but in this episode, the format's going to be we're going to start by looking at the headlines from the nominations.
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[SPEAKER_06]: We're going to preview the best picture nominees.
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[SPEAKER_06]: Now, this is not going to be a deep dive on these very light conversation because we will be talking about these, of course, in all of the.
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[SPEAKER_06]: breakdowns of the different categories, and then you and I will get back together at the very end after the awards themselves to look back on the awards, and also we'll do our now traditional rankings of the ten best picture nominees, so we'll go a little bit more in depth in the conversation there.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I think I had to revise my 2025.
1:59
[SPEAKER_03]: I think I had some regrets about Conclay.
2:01
[SPEAKER_03]: I've watched it twice now since then, and I really find it to be a fascinating and really enjoyable movie.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So I'm really looking forward to,
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[SPEAKER_03]: see what shakes out for this year because it's a pretty good slate, I think.
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[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, no, I think it was a great year for movies and that has translated into the nominees.
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[SPEAKER_06]: So, um, the way we're going to do this today is we're going to, yeah, look at the headline as I said, look at the best picture nominees and then we're going to talk about, uh, some more surprises and fun facts and the nominations and do a quick look at the acting categories.
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[SPEAKER_06]: That's going to get its whole separate episode for the end of the coverage.
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[SPEAKER_06]: And today our policy is no spoilers discussed not for this year's films anyway, and of course warning if any other spoilers come up for any reason.
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[SPEAKER_03]: But we'll do our best to.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Right.
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[SPEAKER_06]: Right.
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[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, especially for this year's nominated films.
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[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_06]: But what are your overall thoughts at the top of reacting to the nominations?
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[SPEAKER_03]: I think it's a pretty good list, I think there were the expected or in there, the things they thought were going to definitely get nominated and then there's a couple of like, oh, that's interesting.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, I wonder why that made it or what have you and knowing that there's a few other films out there that maybe could have.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So it's a nice, I think it's a nice balance.
3:26
[SPEAKER_03]: I think it's interesting
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[SPEAKER_03]: whole issue of what companies are bidding to buy, what other companies, and especially with this idea that.
3:40
[SPEAKER_06]: And what companies got zero?
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yes, exactly what companies got.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Zero, and how that reflects in their marketing position.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It's irrelevant to the future of movies.
3:52
[SPEAKER_03]: Because we're really are on this interesting task.
3:54
[SPEAKER_03]: There was a newspaper article.
3:56
[SPEAKER_03]: And what's interesting is that,
3:59
[SPEAKER_03]: We still, in my town, my little town in our little region, we still have at least two printed newspapers that are, you know, they're quite small.
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[SPEAKER_03]: They don't have, you know, multi huge amounts of pages.
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[SPEAKER_03]: One is a weekly and I think one's a daily and then there's a couple of other ones around anyway.
4:15
[SPEAKER_03]: There was an article in the newspaper the weekly newspaper the other day about our local movie theater, which is also a cultural arts center stage thing.
4:25
[SPEAKER_03]: It's got this historic building that has
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[SPEAKER_03]: a number of other commercial properties in it, a hotel and a restaurant bar and some other things, and they're really struggling with the movie side of their business.
4:40
[SPEAKER_03]: For the stage performances, the choir performances, the, you know, not so much the plays, but just other things where people want to gather and have a big presentation or a big big auditorium experience,
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[SPEAKER_03]: their movie art is suffering a little bit.
4:58
[SPEAKER_03]: I was talking to somebody the other day and I was like, yeah, you know, as a person who grew up going to the movies and really enjoying the movies and enjoy these movies as part of my cultural life, you know, and activities, but also as a parent.
5:15
[SPEAKER_03]: You know, if you put out a two-hour movie or a, you know, two-and-a-half-hour movie, that's three to three-and-a-half hours of my time that I have to go out to my home.
5:25
[SPEAKER_03]: Right.
5:25
[SPEAKER_03]: The sit in an uncomfortable chair with, well, that can be fixed.
5:31
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, well, this is the thing, you know, so it takes money for that, but they've got three screens.
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[SPEAKER_03]: One is not much better than a projector on a, you know,
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[SPEAKER_03]: And then another one where the seats are not as comfortable, and the screen isn't great, and then we have the main theater, which is huge, you know, with a sort of weird, neoclassical, you know, zidiac things and Christian earns and whatnot, and it's a fun space, it's a huge screen, they just upgraded their sound system.
6:02
[SPEAKER_03]: So that's a nice experience.
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[SPEAKER_03]: but just getting out of the house for three to four hours of my time to go watch a suboptimal thing.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It's a hard ask, it's in our prices are fine, like the ticket prices are very reasonable.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I think it's like 10 bucks or something.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Um, but it's, it's just hard to get to the movies these days, and, uh, but I don't want movies to go away.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I don't want that, that cultural experience to dissipate.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And, and so when we're talking about Netflix buying, you know, another studio and what their attitude
6:43
[SPEAKER_03]: I think it's really interesting and so to have such a strong year for Oscars and films and films that were in the theaters, I think it's just really interesting as a marker of where we are in the industry and where we might be going and can we hold out some hope that
7:04
[SPEAKER_03]: In theater experiences can adapt to the marketplace and figure out what their position is and what their place is to be able to continue to offer that cultural experience.
7:16
[SPEAKER_03]: You know, we talk about that loneliness epidemic and people on their phones and their screens.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And going out to movies has always been a place where society, people can gather.
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[SPEAKER_03]: and have a shared experience.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And I don't want that to be worse.
7:27
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_06]: I'm sorry.
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[SPEAKER_06]: I say for better or worse, just because the last film I saw in the theater was Hamlet.
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[SPEAKER_06]: And we had, there was a group of teenage girls in our theater.
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[SPEAKER_06]: I'm not sure if they were on like space cakes or just teenagers or space cakes.
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[SPEAKER_06]: But they did not expect
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[SPEAKER_06]: have it to be what it was.
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[SPEAKER_06]: I don't know if they were there for Paul Mescal or what, but they were giggling the entire time and this is not a giggling movie.
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[SPEAKER_06]: Right.
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[SPEAKER_06]: Actually, they just filed out when it started to like get serious.
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[SPEAKER_06]: Good, good choice for everybody.
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[SPEAKER_06]: Every pair of eyes and the theater on them walking out the door
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[SPEAKER_06]: But I mean, it's still fun.
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[SPEAKER_06]: I'll always remember that about when I think about Bitcoin, yeah, I mean, sorry, Hamlet.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Right, and I think that's an important aspect, which is how do we comport ourselves in these spaces and in generational, you know, things like, oh, those bad, the kids these days have no manners, you know, and all of that sort of tension.
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[SPEAKER_03]: But it isn't, I think it's important, you know, I'm, I'm glad that they figured out that maybe the fish wouldn't stick around and they bailed.
8:44
[SPEAKER_06]: That's the thing.
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[SPEAKER_06]: Not the movie for them, yeah.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, exactly, especially on spacecakes.
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[SPEAKER_06]: Why don't know.
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[SPEAKER_06]: This is me just, I don't know.
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[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, why are they giggling at like the most innocuous sex scene I've ever seen.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Right.
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[SPEAKER_03]: But anyway, I think to sum it all up, I think it's been an interesting year.
9:05
[SPEAKER_03]: And we can talk about it about what I've seen and what I haven't seen and I'm looking forward to rounding out my best picture 10 list this year.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So yeah, I feel pretty good about it.
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[SPEAKER_03]: overall.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I think it's a solid experience expectation.
9:21
[SPEAKER_03]: You got to have a special present because the nominations came out on my birthday.
9:27
[SPEAKER_03]: Yes.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And how is that for a birthday present?
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[SPEAKER_03]: Did you have a what's your hot takes on the on the nominations?
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[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, it was fun because I had already tried to minimize my work on that.
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[SPEAKER_06]: Just to take some time off from my from, you know,
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[SPEAKER_06]: the announcements were 2.30 p.m. my time.
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[SPEAKER_06]: And then I got to spend the rest of the day analyzing it all with the nerds and stuff.
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[SPEAKER_06]: And yeah, I was very well we'll talk about some things I was very excited about in there and some things that I was a bit disappointed about but not necessarily surprised by, um,
10:05
[SPEAKER_06]: anecdotally your conversation about the theaters.
10:08
[SPEAKER_06]: Now, I'm in a very different situation.
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[SPEAKER_06]: I live in the largest city in the Netherlands and my preferred movie theaters are the ones in the center of the city, so keep that in mind.
10:18
[SPEAKER_06]: But when it comes to movie theaters, I notice over the past this past year they've been a lot more crowded again.
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[SPEAKER_06]: Interesting.
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[SPEAKER_06]: the most crowded I've seen them since before the pandemic and it's starting to become a thing with certain movies like I remember they underestimated sinners when it came out and it kept being sold out over and over because they were putting it in the biggest things and then eventually they were like, oh, I guess this is one of the biggest movies of the year and we should experiment.
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[SPEAKER_03]: We should accommodate that.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, exactly.
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[SPEAKER_03]: That's interesting.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Maybe maybe there's a realization
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[SPEAKER_03]: gathering together in person and having shared personal experience like that.
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[SPEAKER_03]: has a value or people are kind of missing being together because there is a kind of emptiness ultimately at the end of your phone.
11:12
[SPEAKER_03]: You're kind of getting that dopamine hit is your scrolling and scrolling, but ultimately it's kind of an empty experience and then after a while you see the same patterns on the same creators or the same new stories just sort of going over and over again and there's nothing new ultimately down that road and it may be fun and you catch up a little bit
11:32
[SPEAKER_03]: But then you put your phone away and you go outside.
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[SPEAKER_03]: You come up with your friends, you go to coffee, you go see a movie together or something like that.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I maybe there's hope for us yet.
11:41
[SPEAKER_06]: Well, so to pick up on what you were saying about the companies of the distributors or what we pay attention to for the Oscars.
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[SPEAKER_06]: So these are not necessarily the ones who first made the movie in many cases they are.
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[SPEAKER_06]: Like, and we'll talk about Warner Brothers a lot today.
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[SPEAKER_06]: And in that case, they definitely don't want to go.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's so complex.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Movie is it.
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[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, so it was, but we talked about like the distributors.
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[SPEAKER_06]: For example, we'll talk the name neon.
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[SPEAKER_06]: We'll come up a lot and they are they tend to buy already completed movies, but they still get to get the credit at the Oscars for their smart investments.
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[SPEAKER_06]: at the buying, you know, at the being bought and of one of the most talked about situations in Hollywood, they ran away with the number of non-nomination's incredible.
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[SPEAKER_06]: They have 30 nominations in total this year and that's if you don't count one nomination for HBO documentary films, which apparently is a separate entity fine.
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[SPEAKER_06]: And I'm also confused because there's at least two HBO dots nominated this year,
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[SPEAKER_06]: 30 to 31 nominations for Warner Bros. for those who seek to buy Warner Bros. right now, Paramount walking in with a whopping zero.
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[SPEAKER_06]: Netflix 18.
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[SPEAKER_06]: But in terms of Netflix and the whole theater question, they are feeling the pressure a lot.
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[SPEAKER_06]: They are releasing their Oscar nominees in many theaters again right now, because they realize, oh, money is fun.
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[SPEAKER_06]: Let's do that.
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[SPEAKER_06]: But I would say another thing that's interesting for Netflix.
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[SPEAKER_06]: It did not affect their eligibility for the Oscars, but the K-pop demon hunters was deemed ineligible for the BAFTAs because they did not follow the theater release rules in Britain for that.
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[SPEAKER_06]: And Netflix was like, no, no, please give us an exception and the BAFTAs are like, no,
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[SPEAKER_03]: Well, and that's the thing is, is the, you know, who has leverage and where the markets and, you know, we see actors and directors and other professional bodies trying to leverage their power.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And I think there was a big statement out about AI in the use of filmmaking where like 700 actors or something, something or something.
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[SPEAKER_03]: the different parts of the market trying to react and pressure each other.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And I think that's kind of healthy, right?
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[SPEAKER_03]: In terms of how we negotiate out what in where?
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[SPEAKER_03]: Because businesses are going to want to business, right?
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[SPEAKER_03]: And like you said, money is fun.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And if there's money in the theaters, then why not?
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[SPEAKER_03]: So, yeah.
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[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, but okay, so to complete the list of multi nominee distributors neon tied Netflix for 18 focus features follows with 13 age 24 got 11 nominations Apple got six nominations.
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[SPEAKER_06]: Disney only got four for Disney.
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[SPEAKER_06]: That's really not much, okay.
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[SPEAKER_06]: G kids, which is a favorite Japanese distributor of distributor of Japanese films got two.
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[SPEAKER_06]: Sony pictures classic got two and those are the multi nominee distributors.
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[SPEAKER_06]: Um, can I ask you a quick question?
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[SPEAKER_03]: Is that that 30 nominations for one or brothers across the history, and I know it's a complex history, but is that an unheard of thing or is that and is that something that we've seen before were one particular studio or distributor sort of runs away with a clear majority of the nominations or
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[SPEAKER_06]: is that I'm sure there's so it it's tying a record that was set in 2005 by Warner Brothers.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Okay, there we go.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So it's kind of a peak.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It's a little bit of a high or the ways it's a little bit more distributed, you'd say.
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[SPEAKER_06]: Yes, yeah, I mean, you can see there are always favorites and then the favorites as we can see you're shifting, you know, neon and age 24 been rising Disney, obviously Paramounts non here Disney only is four so power shifts around and I do notice that Companies seem to be rewarded with nominations this year who took risks
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[SPEAKER_06]: Okay.
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[SPEAKER_06]: So Warner Brothers, they both win sinners and win one battle after another came out, there was all this press about like, oh, they gave two good of deals and they aren't going to make their money back.
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[SPEAKER_06]: And these are two risky of movies and then guess what?
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[SPEAKER_03]: Right.
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[SPEAKER_06]: Films of the year.
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[SPEAKER_06]: So yeah, I'll say there's
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[SPEAKER_03]: You'll go completely your thought.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I was going to ask a follow-up question for A24 with 11 and Apple with 6 are those good numbers for those studio distributor things are they coming up or is that sort of their average that they've been hitting recently?
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[SPEAKER_03]: It makes me think that Apple is starting to move in a little stronger there.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I would have I think for me like again, I'm not an industry watcher like you are as much
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[SPEAKER_03]: But A24 was 11.
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[SPEAKER_03]: That seems solid.
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[SPEAKER_03]: That seems good for A24 because they're not a big big company.
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[SPEAKER_03]: But they're on our house.
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[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, I mean A24 does well at the Oscars in general.
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[SPEAKER_06]: I would say that's that's a solid number.
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[SPEAKER_06]: Neon is really the one that's been skyrocketing up and they have never lived them.
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[SPEAKER_06]: Okay.
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[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, I mean we talked about them.
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[SPEAKER_06]: I bring them up during Oscars every year as the studio to watch.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Sure, I probably heard of them, but they're not, you know, the name hasn't stuck in my head.
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[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, but they have become especially known for, um, for their international, the stable of movies, which does them well at the Oscars, so we'll talk about that more in a little bit.
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[SPEAKER_06]: um but we've got here we've got 50 films in total nominated this year which is on the lower end of variety last year we also had 50 but if you look at the years before that is 53, 54, 53, 56, 53 going back to 2020 so this is on the lower end which just means you'll notice that's a lot of the same movies getting nominations over and over and over again
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[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, I see different film, not the total number of awards being given out, but the actual number of titles and their distribution.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Okay, that makes sense now.
18:27
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, that's interesting.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It's a little concentration and well, when you've got two big hitters sucking a lot of the oxygen.
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[SPEAKER_06]: So as expected, sinners were 16 nominations and one by laughter and another were 13 nominations take the lead.
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[SPEAKER_06]: We fully expected going in that they would take the lead.
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[SPEAKER_06]: But this is the first year that two films have gotten more than 13 nominations in the same year.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So other films have gotten big nominations, but not two of them at the same time crossing the threshold.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Interesting.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, so there you go.
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[SPEAKER_03]: That's why we can see that number being a little bit smaller in terms of 50 films.
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[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, so just to set the stage, there's a total of 24 categories this year, and these two films were each eligible for 17 of them because they're not eligible for the three shorts categories.
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[SPEAKER_06]: The animated category, the doc category, the international category, and of course they're only eligible for one screenplay category each, luckily, two different, one bad author,
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[SPEAKER_06]: And this does include these 17 categories are eligible for includes the new casting categories.
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[SPEAKER_06]: So.
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[SPEAKER_06]: Right.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Right.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It's kind of interesting.
19:48
[SPEAKER_03]: I hadn't thought about this in years past, but there's a real money ball aspect to the Oscar thing in terms of how you interpret stats and the collection of stats and looking at things over history.
19:59
[SPEAKER_03]: It's kind of fun.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I can see why the folks who get into this can really, you know, I'm not interested in sports or something like this.
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[SPEAKER_03]: This is
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[SPEAKER_06]: Right, exactly.
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[SPEAKER_06]: Exactly.
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[SPEAKER_06]: And the most exciting news, you've probably heard it somewhere already, but sinners said a new record thing of the 17 categories, they got nominated for all except for lead actress, which to be fair.
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[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, this movie, great representation of women in front of and especially behind the camera, but they don't have lead actress in this film.
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[SPEAKER_06]: It's about two brothers and a half.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, two brothers.
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[SPEAKER_06]: No cousin.
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[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Right.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah,
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[SPEAKER_06]: And so, but this is, to compare, you know, so 16 for sinners, the previous record was 14, which has been held since 1950.
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[SPEAKER_06]: Oh, wow.
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[SPEAKER_06]: And, and it's been matched since 1950.
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[SPEAKER_06]: So 1950 was all about Eve.
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[SPEAKER_06]: It was matched by Titanic in 1997 and Lala Land in 2016.
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[SPEAKER_06]: And fighting.
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[SPEAKER_06]: So, sinners not only got the new category, but one more beyond that, so if this is considered absolutely smashing that record, and this is something that will likely stand for decades.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Is there just a little bit of what's I'm sure there's some multi-hifinit word to explain this feeling, but that sort of I told you so kind of herm of all the people who were nasiang sinners,
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[SPEAKER_03]: And going up, who putting it a little bit in here, it is just dominating, breaking.
21:36
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, yeah.
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[SPEAKER_06]: So we'll see, yeah, because there's still people nacing, even fans of sinners are like, oh, well, great, got a record, but I only care if it wins.
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[SPEAKER_06]: I'm like, let's celebrate this.
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[SPEAKER_06]: Let's take this victory last first.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Exactly.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Because it's because it what happens, right?
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[SPEAKER_03]: There's the inevitable ripples of
21:56
[SPEAKER_03]: the 10 best are going to get second and third looks or first looks by a lot of people, right?
22:02
[SPEAKER_03]: So it sort of reactivates the market around the title.
22:06
[SPEAKER_03]: And it's released or people seeking it out for an streaming or whatever.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So it just continues to propel the title forward.
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[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_06]: I mean, there's still a lot of people still consider one battle after another.
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[SPEAKER_06]: The favorite to win.
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[SPEAKER_06]: And again, received 13 nominations, which in any other year would be the most.
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[SPEAKER_06]: Great.
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[SPEAKER_06]: This is, though, the 30-year-in-a-row film has received 13 nominations, which is a new record.
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[SPEAKER_06]: But the most Oscars won by a single film ever is 11 wins.
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[SPEAKER_06]: And that happened from three films, Ben Hurr in 1959, Titanic, again in 1997.
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[SPEAKER_06]: And Lord of the Rings, the return of the King in 2003, that was nominated in 11 categories.
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[SPEAKER_06]: So that's the record for the biggest suite, because it won.
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[SPEAKER_06]: every award that it was nominated for.
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[SPEAKER_06]: So that's a stat to keep in mind as we get to the Oscars themselves.
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[SPEAKER_06]: 11 is the, is the number to beat.
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[SPEAKER_06]: But if sinners doesn't beat 11, as, I mean, chances are, it won't, but it doesn't diminish at all, disachievement, and I still hope it inspects picture regardless, but we'll say.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And in 16 is, is three above the high water mark, right?
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[SPEAKER_03]: So that's, that's really significant.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, too.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, yeah.
23:27
[SPEAKER_03]: You were, okay.
23:28
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, math.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I can do math in the morning.
23:32
[SPEAKER_03]: Question for you, historically question.
23:36
[SPEAKER_03]: Did you, are you a fan of the movie Titanic?
23:40
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, I mean, that came out when I was in high school, I guess.
23:44
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, so I would say that there's a nostalgia pole for you, right?
23:48
[SPEAKER_06]: Sure.
23:48
[SPEAKER_06]: I mean, it's not something like that I've rewatched recently or anything, but I do remember going to see it several times in the theater well, is out.
23:56
[SPEAKER_06]: Actually, the first time I went, I was just recovering from mono, and I didn't bring tissues, and that was a mistake.
24:03
[SPEAKER_03]: A horrible experience, yeah.
24:05
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I just I was never a fan of that movie.
24:08
[SPEAKER_03]: I just never never liked it in yet.
24:10
[SPEAKER_03]: It's such a it's such an Oscar dominating film So it's interesting David hates you where When I finally saw it, I think I saw it at a matinee with a neat I think
24:25
[SPEAKER_03]: think I was alone and then somebody came in and then left at some point and then I was alone again in the movie and I was just like I debated walking out because I was not enjoying it but anyway I don't want to I don't want to yuck other people's young I'm just talking about my personal appreciation experience but you do like return to the king the biggest sweep and record
24:43
[SPEAKER_03]: Right, I don't I don't mind that one.
24:46
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
24:46
[SPEAKER_03]: No, you don't mind.
24:47
[SPEAKER_03]: No, it's just okay.
24:47
[SPEAKER_06]: I'm getting I'm being I'm being I've rescind our intro music.
24:55
[SPEAKER_03]: That's right.
24:55
[SPEAKER_06]: It's not even mind to rescind but I rescind it on John's behalf
24:59
[SPEAKER_03]: We should do it.
25:00
[SPEAKER_03]: It'd be fun to do some other big picture maybe maybe throw in in future watches like, you know, go through the one in the story.
25:09
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
25:09
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
25:10
[SPEAKER_03]: And then sort of what one, you know, however many years ago and just compare it to be interesting.
25:15
[SPEAKER_03]: Like then her, I have it seen in years, you know.
25:18
[SPEAKER_03]: I know.
25:18
[SPEAKER_03]: I know.
25:19
[SPEAKER_06]: That's great.
25:19
[SPEAKER_06]: What?
25:20
[SPEAKER_06]: Anyway, but yeah, for this year, aside from those two historic nominations for those two films, the other multi nominees this year are, we have three films that got nine nominations each, so that's a lot.
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[SPEAKER_06]: Frankenstein, Marty Supreme, and sentimental value.
25:38
[SPEAKER_06]: HamNet got eight nominations, and the films that got four nominations each, rounding out the Best Picture 10, Arbagonia F1, the Secret Agent and Train Dreams, and then there were five films that got two nominations outside of the Best Picture category, and that is Avatar Fire and Ash, Blue Moon, it was just an accident, K-pop demon hunters, and Sarat.
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[SPEAKER_06]: So, and, of course, there was that new category casting this year, which, this is the first new category added since 2001 when the animated feature was added, which makes it a 24-year gap, which is the longest gap in Academy history without a new dish.
26:25
[SPEAKER_06]: But the next gap is going to be super short because we already know the next new categories coming at the 2021 Oscar is forced on design.
26:31
[SPEAKER_03]: very stunt design interesting not like not not doing the stunts but designing the stunt does that include the the the whole umbrella of of the so like if you if you win the stunt coordinators and the actor who did it and all of the stuff like it's done coordinators who get the award.
26:51
[SPEAKER_03]: Okay, got it.
26:52
[SPEAKER_06]: Not the stunt, uh, not the stunt performers, which is something obviously people would also like to see and, and, you know, you see rewarded other places, but, um, yeah, I can see it like, you know, because when they do like a costume or something like that, there's a whole crowd of people who go up because there's a whole bunch of people involved.
27:08
[SPEAKER_03]: It's not a single.
27:09
[SPEAKER_06]: Um,
27:09
[SPEAKER_06]: Well, there is, for costumes, there are usually a singular winner.
27:12
[SPEAKER_06]: Like last year was Paul Tazuel for Wicked, for Good, which, I mean, sorry for Wicked part one.
27:18
[SPEAKER_06]: Wicked for Good.
27:19
[SPEAKER_06]: We won't be talking about today, except to talk about how I'm doing, is Wicked.
27:25
[SPEAKER_03]: Have you planned a segment on the on the what are they snubs or just the expected We're going to talk about we're going to talk about some snubs.
27:33
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, okay on the plus Not on this spot though on another we we we we're going to talk a little bit about some stuff.
27:40
[SPEAKER_06]: Okay, okay at the end
27:41
[SPEAKER_06]: Um, but what did do well this year is horror had a bang or a year.
27:46
[SPEAKER_04]: I agree.
27:47
[SPEAKER_06]: Seeing that all year that prestige horror, this has been a year for that.
27:51
[SPEAKER_06]: And we see it reflected.
27:52
[SPEAKER_06]: If you remember last year, I was excited about two horror nominees.
27:56
[SPEAKER_06]: We had the substance with five nominations, including Best Picture, and then Knoss Furatu with four nominations and other categories.
28:04
[SPEAKER_06]: So nine nominations for two films last year, and I was super excited.
28:07
[SPEAKER_06]: We're excited.
28:08
[SPEAKER_06]: How is being represented this year if you count Pagonia as horror, which I'm going to do, you know, the line between psychological thriller and horror is then I know.
28:17
[SPEAKER_06]: But that means whether or not you count that, there's four or five films that are nominated this year for a total of 27 or 31 nominations, 16 for sinners, nine for Frankenstein, four for Pagonia, one for weapons and one for the ugly step sister.
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[SPEAKER_06]: is pretty extreme horror or like body horror.
28:39
[SPEAKER_06]: It's this Cinderella story with like all the grim's brother flourishes than then some.
28:45
[SPEAKER_06]: Okay, but it's one of my favorite films of the year, so I was really excited to see it here and obviously we've talked about weapons.
28:51
[SPEAKER_06]: We have a whole episode about that.
28:52
[SPEAKER_04]: We do.
28:54
[SPEAKER_06]: Um, but there are, you know, it's not like ours never done well.
28:58
[SPEAKER_06]: Um, the exorcist, jaws, silence of the lambs, the sixth sense, black swan, get out in the substance.
29:04
[SPEAKER_06]: These were all best fiction nominees in the past, but in this volume, I don't think this is ever a big.
29:10
[SPEAKER_03]: Did, um, looking up really quick, yeah, the omen, yeah, the omen got nominated a couple of times for score and song.
29:20
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, that's interesting.
29:21
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I was just thinking, yeah, because this is the 50th anniversary of the omen.
29:26
[SPEAKER_03]: And I was going to see if that's something that comes up in our conversations around, um,
29:31
[SPEAKER_03]: Spooktober.
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[SPEAKER_06]: I mean, I know we're far off and I don't know what plans you've already got even wanting to talk about the open series for a while So I should put it on the list this year at least some of them.
29:40
[SPEAKER_06]: There's six movies We don't necessarily need to watch all of them the last two especially the last ones real
29:47
[SPEAKER_03]: Right exactly, but the 50th anniversary for the original, like that maybe a nice little segment.
29:54
[SPEAKER_06]: But I like the remake from was it 2016?
29:57
[SPEAKER_06]: I don't know, but I like the Omen remake.
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[SPEAKER_06]: I think it compliments nicely.
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[SPEAKER_06]: So I could see doing a lower down between the original and the remake.
30:03
[SPEAKER_03]: Right.
30:04
[SPEAKER_03]: They could go into the mix of conversation.
30:05
[SPEAKER_03]: Sure.
30:06
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, and it's not like I'm like strong advocating for it.
30:09
[SPEAKER_03]: But it's just like one of those things.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, and then it just happens to be this year.
30:13
[SPEAKER_03]: It's Santa.
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[SPEAKER_06]: Right.
30:14
[SPEAKER_06]: Okay.
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[SPEAKER_06]: No.
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[SPEAKER_06]: Okay.
30:17
[SPEAKER_06]: Let's take a quick break here when we get back.
30:19
[SPEAKER_06]: We're going to preview the best picture nominees.
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[SPEAKER_06]: See you in a second.
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[SPEAKER_06]: Okay, best picture nominees, so just to rattle off the list again to start the best picture nominees in alphabetical order are Bogonia, Frankenstein F1, Hamlet, Marty Supreme, one battle after another, the secret agent, sentimental value, sinners and train dreams.
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[SPEAKER_06]: And I've seen them also far, we are going to hold off on talking about rankings until we do our episode, but you
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I am four, four, 10.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I think.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Okay.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And I'm just double check.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, that's right.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Four for 10.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So I've seen F1, my wife when I went and saw it in the theater as a fun date night thing.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Mm-hmm.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Saw one battle after another.
31:20
[SPEAKER_03]: We have multiple podcasts on that.
31:21
[SPEAKER_03]: I think we had like three conversations.
31:23
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, and the, I'll, I'll rat off the list of which this includes.
31:27
[SPEAKER_06]: But you will find in the show notes links to the episodes for our Oscar nominated films we've covered.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Right.
31:33
[SPEAKER_03]: I've seen sentimental value and I've seen sinner sinners.
31:37
[SPEAKER_03]: Sorry, sorry, sorry.
31:38
[SPEAKER_03]: Yes, and I have a plan to see everything else that is available digitally.
31:46
[SPEAKER_03]: And then I'm trying to think about my in theater plans and sort of prioritizing what to see there because there's a few things that are still are I don't know are going to be streaming prior to the nominations.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So if I'm going to
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[SPEAKER_03]: complete my goal of seeing all 10 before the award ceremony.
32:06
[SPEAKER_03]: I've got a little bit of a work to do.
32:08
[SPEAKER_03]: So I'm getting there out of the house.
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[SPEAKER_06]: We'll talk about, as we run through them now, we'll talk about where you can watch them and which ones are still in theaters and which ones are coming soon to video on demand at least.
32:22
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
32:23
[SPEAKER_06]: So we're going to go through the best picture nominees in descending order of nominations and where there are ties in the number will go alphabetical.
32:32
[SPEAKER_06]: So no preferences here, except I will express my preference.
32:37
[SPEAKER_06]: As soon as I put one of my favorite movies,
32:38
[SPEAKER_06]: Is it the year, sinners in 28 years later?
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[SPEAKER_06]: A new 28 years later wasn't gonna get nominated here, off does, I'm looking at you for that.
32:46
[SPEAKER_03]: Question really quick, just in the 28 years thing, is it a theater or home like you should I make it to the theater for 28 years?
32:52
[SPEAKER_06]: I think it's great in a theater.
32:55
[SPEAKER_06]: The visuals are, that's what I thought.
32:58
[SPEAKER_06]: You see the first one, the two.
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[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, I've seen everything now.
33:02
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, you saw the one that came out this past year.
33:04
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, and including yes, I did and including like I've gone back to the original right the days and weeks.
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[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
33:10
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.
33:11
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.
33:11
[SPEAKER_06]: I mean, I think so you saw in the one 20 years later that it was yeah, it's a great cinematic experience.
33:19
[SPEAKER_03]: And this this new one, the bone temples also similarly a great cinematic experience and unfortunately it's it's probably one of those things right I do need to go a little further afield to get a better screen.
33:31
[SPEAKER_03]: Right.
33:31
[SPEAKER_03]: What was it I saw recently.
33:34
[SPEAKER_03]: that, I can't anyway, I don't want to spend much time on it, but there was a movie that, oh, I know what it was.
33:39
[SPEAKER_03]: It was the Predator Badlands.
33:42
[SPEAKER_03]: And part of that film was, yeah, the screen was just so bad when you're, when you're relying on special effects and environmental effects like that, it really is important to have a quality screen.
33:55
[SPEAKER_03]: So I might have to go see 28.
33:57
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34:16
[SPEAKER_06]: only to discover that an even greater evil is waiting to welcome them back.
34:21
[SPEAKER_06]: Don't, don't, don't, don't.
34:22
[SPEAKER_06]: And of course, the greater evil, well, it's vampires on the one hand, but it's also the KKK.
34:28
[SPEAKER_06]: So the 16 nominations are best picture.
34:33
[SPEAKER_06]: director for Ryan Coogler, lead actor for Michael B. Jordan, who plays the twins Delroy Lindo for supporting actor.
34:40
[SPEAKER_06]: That was a pleasant surprise.
34:43
[SPEAKER_06]: One me Masako for supporting actress original screenplay, costume design casting, makeup and hair, score cinematography, film editing, original song for I lied to you by Raphael Sadeek and Ludwig Gorenson, production design,
35:01
[SPEAKER_06]: And we will, by the way, we'll look at acting quickly separately at the end.
35:07
[SPEAKER_06]: So we'll talk more about the surprise nominees and surprise snubs.
35:12
[SPEAKER_06]: But yeah, what did you think we knew?
35:15
[SPEAKER_06]: So all of those nominations.
35:18
[SPEAKER_03]: I was really pleased to see that this tension between...
35:26
[SPEAKER_03]: It's a complex mix of things, and I will just come out and say, I'm really great to see a black filmmaker and black actors actually dominating in a field that the African-American community and the black experience in this country is long overdue, right?
35:49
[SPEAKER_03]: It's when well deserved.
35:51
[SPEAKER_03]: So there's that aspect of it.
35:53
[SPEAKER_03]: as well, just to see a film that just excelled on so many levels and brought in so many new, newish actors, mid tier, you know, mid-career actors and veteran actors with Del Rey Lindo.
36:10
[SPEAKER_03]: So, and to see Wumi Misaku in there is in that mix as well, that's just a really great repertoire.
36:17
[SPEAKER_03]: Like across the generational span of people who've been working at their craft within, of course, my Jordan love about right to actually be part of a creative project that is so well recognized and so well honored.
36:36
[SPEAKER_03]: Technically, as well as, you know, story and song and all the different things.
36:41
[SPEAKER_03]: So, very cool.
36:42
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, yeah, it's a movie.
36:43
[SPEAKER_06]: I mean, I know I'm a bigger fan of this one and you're a bigger fan of the next one we'll talk about.
36:49
[SPEAKER_06]: But it's a movie that hits on all levels of movie making and I think that's really resonating.
36:56
[SPEAKER_06]: Jack, which you're saying about the generational.
36:58
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, Miles Cate and he is, he is the one who plays the cousin creature boy Sammy.
37:04
[SPEAKER_06]: And this was his first film, like they just discovered him really.
37:09
[SPEAKER_06]: And it's the same one battle after another.
37:11
[SPEAKER_06]: Chase infinity was the big discovery there.
37:14
[SPEAKER_06]: And both of them neither of those two actors got nominated because the Academy this year seemed to have favored more senior actors, like in this case Delroy Linda.
37:26
[SPEAKER_06]: In terms of what you're saying about the black filmmakers, I would say just point out that Ryan Couglar now joins Jordan Peel and Spike Lee as the only black filmmakers and Oscar's history who were triple nominated for producing directing and writing their movie.
37:39
[SPEAKER_03]: Right, that's pretty excellent.
37:41
[SPEAKER_03]: No, the thing I wanted to add.
37:43
[SPEAKER_03]: was that, you know, to Astrix, you know, I've been on record on this podcast, saying that I didn't personally enjoy this movie.
37:53
[SPEAKER_03]: And I, and I want to be clear and authentic about that, the movie didn't hit for me, which has nothing to do just because of my personal reaction to it to its excellence across, it's great, you know, it's creative and production excellence, right?
38:09
[SPEAKER_03]: And that's when we talk about a perfect movie thing, a perfect movie
38:13
[SPEAKER_03]: or this idea of a perfect movie isn't necessarily tied to one's own personal enjoyment of the property.
38:20
[SPEAKER_03]: I can absolutely appreciate and support and raw raw this film on in a number of ways, even though for me, it wasn't as exciting, right, or was an enjoyable thing.
38:33
[SPEAKER_03]: So I just want to be clear and very authentic about that because you were going, well, David, you said you didn't like the movie and it's like,
38:38
[SPEAKER_03]: I didn't, but that has nothing to do with the fact that it's an excellent movie, right?
38:41
[SPEAKER_06]: And it's still tier it on for setting records and yeah.
38:46
[SPEAKER_03]: Exactly.
38:47
[SPEAKER_03]: And I think it's an incredible achievement, especially for Michael B. Jordan playing twins.
38:54
[SPEAKER_03]: So there's two.
38:55
[SPEAKER_03]: aspects to that as well.
38:56
[SPEAKER_03]: There's performance playing two different characters.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And then there's a technical aspect of putting them both on screen.
39:04
[SPEAKER_06]: Right.
39:04
[SPEAKER_06]: At the same time, one of the reasons why there's a VFX now.
39:07
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
39:08
[SPEAKER_03]: That's an incredible achievement.
39:10
[SPEAKER_03]: Right.
39:10
[SPEAKER_03]: That is that is not it's not been it's done it's been done before.
39:14
[SPEAKER_03]: But this is at this new next level.
39:16
[SPEAKER_03]: And that is a really end for coogler to have the vision.
39:22
[SPEAKER_03]: and then to be able to execute on that vision, is another thing that you cannot discount, that he works through all of the legal, technical, studio, you know, there's always studio, Michelle gonna write, and then just actually filming it.
39:38
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.
39:38
[SPEAKER_06]: He got a landmark deal from the studio because they believed in this vision so much.
39:43
[SPEAKER_06]: They wanted this vision.
39:45
[SPEAKER_06]: Amazing.
39:46
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.
39:47
[SPEAKER_06]: And he proved to himself.
39:48
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.
39:50
[SPEAKER_06]: And you know, people, the Golden Globes were aired just before nominations, the nomination voting opened for the Oscars.
39:59
[SPEAKER_06]: And people were not happy that up to that point, it felt like sinners was getting snubbed in a lot of categories.
40:07
[SPEAKER_06]: the consolation prize at the Golden Globes, which is for, you know, what is it best cinematic achievements, which whatever that means?
40:15
[SPEAKER_03]: It's participation award.
40:17
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, and then HamNet won drama and won bet off another one comedy.
40:22
[SPEAKER_06]: So there was, like, people who were like, what?
40:26
[SPEAKER_06]: And not the right one.
40:27
[SPEAKER_06]: Nominating nominating nominating.
40:30
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, right.
40:32
[SPEAKER_03]: Right, and that's the interesting thing about the Oscars.
40:34
[SPEAKER_03]: It's not just sort of a mechanistic thing.
40:37
[SPEAKER_03]: It's a living body that is nominating and boating.
40:40
[SPEAKER_03]: And yeah, there's active conversation, which means that people have to be out promoting their films and doing that kind of stuff.
40:47
[SPEAKER_03]: Right.
40:47
[SPEAKER_03]: That's a whole other conversation.
40:48
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, and and also I'll say another landmark it could fulfill is autumn-dirled archipel.
40:56
[SPEAKER_06]: She is the cinematographer.
40:58
[SPEAKER_06]: She's nominated.
40:59
[SPEAKER_06]: She's the fourth woman to be nominated in cinematography.
41:03
[SPEAKER_06]: But if she won, she would be the first woman to win this award.
41:08
[SPEAKER_06]: So that would be a landmark.
41:09
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I did not know that aspect of it.
41:11
[SPEAKER_03]: That's great.
41:11
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, very cool.
41:13
[SPEAKER_03]: which is a very, yes, cinematography, very male-dominated field.
41:16
[SPEAKER_03]: So, really great to see, and I'm guessing her career-wise.
41:22
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I'm just looking quick in the background.
41:24
[SPEAKER_06]: She's one of the ones.
41:25
[SPEAKER_06]: I'll say Rang Kugler picked up a few women behind the scenes, like Ruthie Carter, the costume designer, and stuff, from his work at Marvel.
41:33
[SPEAKER_06]: He was like, hey, nice.
41:35
[SPEAKER_03]: Right, and she's still early career.
41:37
[SPEAKER_03]: So she is going to be somebody we should surprise on.
41:40
[SPEAKER_03]: So that's great.
41:41
[SPEAKER_06]: So if you want to keep your eyes on this film, you can watch it on HBO Max and you'll find a link in the show notes to our coverage of this film.
41:51
[SPEAKER_06]: Now the next film, you liked it so much, you covered it thrice.
41:56
[SPEAKER_06]: And that is one battle after another, also from Warner Brothers, the plot is some search for battle.
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[SPEAKER_06]: Others are born into it.
42:04
[SPEAKER_06]: When their evil nemesis resurvices, after 16 years, a band of ex-revolutionaries reunite to rescue the daughter of one of their own.
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[SPEAKER_06]: And the 13 nominations are Best Picture Director for Paul Thomas Anderson, lead actor, for lead honor to Caprio, supporting actor times two for both Benizio Do Toro and Sean Penn, supporting actress Tiana Taylor, adapted screenplay, casting scores, cinematography, editing, production design, and sound.
42:34
[SPEAKER_06]: Uh, how are you feeling about this lineup of nominations?
42:37
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, it's pretty good.
42:38
[SPEAKER_03]: And I want to ask Dr. Access again, too, in terms of my personal reaction to the movie.
42:43
[SPEAKER_03]: Do I like this movie or did it activate me in a way of like the response that I had to it?
42:54
[SPEAKER_03]: Mm-hmm.
42:55
[SPEAKER_03]: Both concurrently in terms of what's going on in our world today and in our country today.
43:02
[SPEAKER_03]: versus the breadth of the storytelling and the intensity of the performances, and then the social issues that the film is addressing and dealing with.
43:14
[SPEAKER_03]: I think that's where my higher level of engagement of doing three podcasts about it was more centered because it actually caused conversation to happen.
43:25
[SPEAKER_03]: to talk about certain social things and what's going on, not only with the film itself, but then also with the social aspects of it.
43:33
[SPEAKER_03]: Is it a favorite film of mine?
43:35
[SPEAKER_03]: Like, do I adore it?
43:36
[SPEAKER_03]: Something like a big trouble in Little China or somewhere where it's brought up that I will just watch, every couple of years, I'll watch those again because I love them so much and I enjoy them.
43:46
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't know them watching one battle another call it up.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I got a spare half an hour, let me watch this.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I don't know that I'm gonna do that.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So but in terms of a film that really affected me and what did me to think that that I had thoughts and that I wanted to talk about those thoughts I think that's where the power of the film was for me.
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[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, well we'll do our rankings at the end of course.
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[SPEAKER_06]: This probably is in like the lower middle of mine and I would say the reason I think why it
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[SPEAKER_06]: Like I don't want to say it rubs me the wrong way because I think there's a lot of great things about it And you know, I said like it was going to be worthy of all this nominations.
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[SPEAKER_06]: It's going to get but for me I guess the part that annoys me slightly about this film is and I'm glad it made you feel activated and think about these things But for me, I felt like it was so shallow on the front of talking about these
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[SPEAKER_06]: social issues.
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[SPEAKER_06]: I'll say in your third episode about it, you talked with Joe and he represented my opinion on this a lot, where it's just, I just think saying fascism on screen isn't the same as exploring the causes and effects of fascism.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So yeah, that's an interesting and contrast where sinners is doing that this tradition of using horror, right, the genre of horror body horror gore these kinds of, you know, supernatural, what have you.
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[SPEAKER_03]: to explore the roots and effects of racism and misogyny and these other things.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And we think of Kassulu country.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, wait, no, what was that?
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[SPEAKER_03]: Lovecraft country.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Lovecraft country, lovecraft country, and things like that in carrying on that tradition.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And so here are two films, which is interesting that are,
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[SPEAKER_03]: addressing deeper social issues in visual storytelling.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And so I think that's a kind of achievement in it of itself.
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[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_06]: We'll notice that films like that definitely were, they got a lot of nominations this year because I just think that people are craving for something that speaks to their frustrations and their fears and everything with the current world.
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[SPEAKER_03]: As well as complexity and story and nuance and story, where we were talking before,
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[SPEAKER_03]: Just sort of this superficial swipe culture, right?
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[SPEAKER_03]: And you kind of get your dopamine hit to sort of, you know, just consume so much.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And so then to be able to lose yourself in a complex story, a nuanced story, a story that has multiple characters, with multiple motivations and points of view.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I think me, I'm craving that.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I crave that a little bit, right?
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[SPEAKER_03]: Of course.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I want something that's nutritious,
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[SPEAKER_03]: and complex as opposed to, you know, yeah, sometimes you want your fast food and you want your simple flavors, that's fine.
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[SPEAKER_03]: But then that really helps you contrast and go, oh, this is a meal, right?
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[SPEAKER_03]: This is, this is put together with intention and purpose and it's driving at something, and that's why.
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[SPEAKER_06]: Well, this one has long been considered the front runner by a lot of people.
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[SPEAKER_06]: A lot of people take it over sinners.
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[SPEAKER_06]: It won the Critics Choice Awards at one Golden Goats comedy, which I found interesting by the people like Thomas Pinchin.
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[SPEAKER_06]: It's from a Thomas Pinchin book.
47:18
[SPEAKER_06]: I'm like, okay, I'm a red is books.
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[SPEAKER_06]: I know who he is obviously, but apparently they're comedic.
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[SPEAKER_06]: Um, but I'll say with this lean order to caprio now ties Robert De Niro for the most appearances in a best picture nominee.
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[SPEAKER_06]: So he's been in 12 best picture nominees now.
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[SPEAKER_06]: He's also nominated this year, but he's including Titanic.
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[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_06]: If you want to see this one, it's also on HBO Max.
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[SPEAKER_06]: Also, do check out the three episodes linked in the show notes.
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[SPEAKER_06]: Listen to the third one if you want to hear more Oshan talking about things that represent my viewpoint on the film.
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[SPEAKER_06]: I know, yeah, the other two are great episodes, though.
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[SPEAKER_06]: I really enjoyed each of those episodes you did had a different vibe, a different approach.
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[SPEAKER_06]: People felt differently about it, so that was great.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Anthony, and then I spoke with Ron and JD over at Dungeons & New Rags, which are newest affiliate podcast, and we got some more work to do to get that up and running, but Ron and JD had a great time talking about the film as well, and yeah, you know, so.
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[SPEAKER_06]: And the next film Frankenstein on Netflix, so you can watch it on Netflix, that is was a personal, special pet project of mine, so go over to the bullshit dust feed to hear.
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[SPEAKER_06]: I should and I talking about the 1931 and 1935 movies.
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[SPEAKER_06]: But this one, the Guillermo del Toro one, it is, uh, the plot is only monsters play God.
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[SPEAKER_06]: Dr. Victor Frankenstein, a brilliant, but egotistical scientist brings a creature to life in a monstrous experiment that ultimately leads to the undoing of both the creator and his tragic creation.
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[SPEAKER_06]: That description, not 100% true, but I think, nine nominations, best-picture, best-supporting actor for Jacob O'Leardy, who plays the creature, adapted screenplay, costume design, which I think it
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[SPEAKER_06]: will and should win.
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[SPEAKER_06]: Make up and hair, score, cinematography, production design and sound.
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[SPEAKER_06]: Woody, are you looking forward to this one?
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[SPEAKER_06]: This is one of the ones where I'm like, I'm not sure you're going to like this as much as the others, but I like it.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I am definitely, like I said before, I am definitely looking forward to rounding out all of my films.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I know you put a lot of work into the Frankenstein story itself.
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[SPEAKER_03]: this year.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And so I'm sort of excited to go back and pick up on those episodes.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I'm waiting.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I'm going to use this film as my snapshot and then I'll go back and hear some of your other your project work on it.
50:09
[SPEAKER_03]: And obviously, it's been a story that's been around as a kid going up with it, right?
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[SPEAKER_03]: It's one of the classics.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And yeah, Gilmour Del Toro is a great director and I'm interested in what he has to offer.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And I was a little surprised that there had a lot of heat coming into it and then once it was released, it just kind of didn't, I didn't beer a lot more about it.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So I was like, it was interesting.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It wasn't like it was making shock waves.
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[SPEAKER_03]: You know, like, sinners did or...
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[SPEAKER_03]: I mean it was it was a breaking through to my point me right I'm not a sit I'm not an Oscar or cinema Right, you know person in the same way so
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[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, it was considered a lock for best picture.
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[SPEAKER_06]: And I would say the nine nominations is slightly more than I would have anticipated going into nominations.
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[SPEAKER_06]: Guillermo de Toro surprisingly, but not completely surprisingly because it's a competitive year, not one of the best director nominations nominees.
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[SPEAKER_06]: But he does join Alejandro Gonzalez in Europe too, as the only Latin American director to receive, or Latin American in general, to receive three best picture
51:23
[SPEAKER_03]: I really like, and you're out to the Revenant and Birdman are really movies that really affected me when I saw them.
51:36
[SPEAKER_03]: I also enjoyed Babel, 21 grams, it was great, I'm just looking at his filmography now.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I wonder if I saw a beautiful or not, but I really enjoyed him and his process.
51:52
[SPEAKER_03]: Anyway, I saw in you're talking about the filming process of the revenue and that really interested me and how they did all natural lighting and the process that was involved in that and I just found that fascinating.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So as a as a filmmaker, these are two filmmakers who when they're
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[SPEAKER_03]: When they have something to release, I'm like, oh, what's that, you know, I'm always interested in and to have them together, like awesome, that's great.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I'm like cool.
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[SPEAKER_06]: I mean, I talked about this a lot more in our Frankenstein episode, but Del Toro is a favorite director of mine.
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[SPEAKER_06]: Right.
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[SPEAKER_06]: You know, my taste that's not tracking news.
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[SPEAKER_06]: And he's obviously he's an academy darling, so that also helped buoy the success of this, but it is, it is, you know, Lisa and I are going to do an episode talking about the production design awards and it is definitely a feat of production design.
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[SPEAKER_06]: It is absolutely gorgeous.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Cool.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Well, I'm looking forward to it.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I've got to plan for it and it will be watched before I don't think my wife will be like I have to also think about which films that I know my wife will be interested in watching that we can do together and then the ones that I just can just watch on my own so right right.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And this is one, I'll just be watching her.
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[SPEAKER_06]: Right.
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[SPEAKER_06]: Come on.
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[SPEAKER_06]: Maybe she'll like, or maybe not.
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[SPEAKER_06]: I'm not sure.
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[SPEAKER_06]: Marty Supreme, this is a 24's big entry this year.
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[SPEAKER_06]: The plot is dream big.
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[SPEAKER_06]: In 1950s, New York, Marty Mouser, a young man with a dream no one respects goes to hell and back in pursuit of greatness.
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[SPEAKER_06]: And we should say, since it's not in the description, the dream is to become the number one ping pong player in the world.
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[SPEAKER_06]: This one also got nine nominations, best picture, director for Josh Saffty, lead actor for Timothy Shalame, original screenplay, casting production design, costume design, cinematography, and editing.
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[SPEAKER_06]: And this is famously the year the Saffty brothers split up and did their own projects.
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[SPEAKER_06]: So the other brother did the smashing machine, which only got to make up nomination in the end.
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[SPEAKER_06]: I still need to, I need to watch that one this week.
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[SPEAKER_06]: That's one of, I watched going into this, when nominations were announced, I had watched 40 of the 50 nominated films.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Wow.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Good job.
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[SPEAKER_03]: That was nice prep because then you're window of what you've got.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Right.
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[SPEAKER_03]: You're death race.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Are you death racing?
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[SPEAKER_03]: You're death racing.
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[SPEAKER_06]: I mean, yeah, I death race beyond the actors.
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[SPEAKER_06]: The Oscar is like the floor for death racing.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, shout out to the death racers so I admire you guys.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I could never do what people do.
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[SPEAKER_06]: I'm now for the Oscars of now at 41 and a half and for for the MACA death race, which includes Oscars, long list, I'm sorry, Oscar, short list, BAFTAs, and long list, golden clothes, indie spirit awards.
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[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, so far there's like a little over 200 for that, and I have watched
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[SPEAKER_03]: Wow, can we study your brain someday?
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[SPEAKER_06]: Oh man, I am behind, though, a lot of other people.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Sure, right.
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[SPEAKER_03]: That's fair, right?
55:07
[SPEAKER_03]: Well, you have podcasts to record.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Sometimes the other people don't.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Some of your hours are taking up during the day.
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[SPEAKER_03]: That's cool.
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[SPEAKER_06]: But yes, so some Marty Supreme, as I said, that it's a safety brothers split up, but they are most famous for working together on films like Uncut Gems, and I'll say that there is definitely Uncut Gems DNA in Marty Supreme in the way that it is stressful.
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[SPEAKER_06]: you're like, what is happening on my screen?
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[SPEAKER_06]: Oh my god, but I would say the different I didn't like uncut gems personally, and I know that puts me in the minority, but I did like mighty supreme, and I think the difference is...
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[SPEAKER_06]: I don't want to spoil anything, but I'll just say Marty Supreme to me has more hearts, and I'm happier with where it goes with that, and the way it makes me feel.
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[SPEAKER_06]: Because it makes me root for someone who's unlikable to make the Shalamea's character not like a bull, but I'm still rooting for him for some reason, and in the end, it feels like he's gotten the satisfying arc.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And uncut gems was like, kind of bleak.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Like there wasn't a, oh, you know, there's a path out of this.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It was just very such a good movie.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And yeah, and again, one of those things that got I really had an experience watching it and it's not like I'm going back to watching on real frequent repeat, right?
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[SPEAKER_03]: So I'm excited to hear that Marty Supreme has a,
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[SPEAKER_03]: hopeful element to it I guess in a way there's a there's an achieve you know there's a a positive thing trying you know that here's somebody that you can root for trying to achieve their goals like that's always a good story right
56:54
[SPEAKER_06]: Right.
56:54
[SPEAKER_06]: Right.
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[SPEAKER_06]: And the biggest story from this movie is Timothy Shala, right, who plays the titular character.
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[SPEAKER_06]: He receives nominations.
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[SPEAKER_06]: He was a producer on the film.
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[SPEAKER_06]: So he received both best actor and best picture nominations for this, which makes him the youngest person to get both of these nominations.
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[SPEAKER_06]: He's now 30.
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[SPEAKER_06]: And so he narrowly beat Warren Bady, had that record.
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[SPEAKER_06]: He beat him by nine months.
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[SPEAKER_06]: and he's also now the youngest male actor to have received three acting nominations since and this is where he was nearly beaten by Marlon Brando as the last one to achieve this third nomination before his 30th birthday.
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[SPEAKER_06]: So, and it does look like it's going to be his year.
57:42
[SPEAKER_03]: Is, uh, I'm sure people are doing the side by side comparisons with him and Leo, uh, is, is this the, is this, you know, Leo's replacement.
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[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.
57:53
[SPEAKER_06]: Well, that, that is kind of the idea.
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[SPEAKER_06]: And people are like, oh, they're going head to head.
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[SPEAKER_06]: But so far, he's just been winning everything.
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[SPEAKER_06]: So it doesn't even feel like Leo has a chance.
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[SPEAKER_06]: But we'll see.
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[SPEAKER_06]: We'll see.
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[SPEAKER_03]: The, uh, yeah, well, if you, the, when the, the young one comes for the veteran, it's a, it's a, it's a thing to watch.
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[SPEAKER_06]: If Timothy Shalomme had won last year, he would have been the youngest winner ever, but he didn't, instead, the previous record of the youngest winner ever won last year, Adrian Brody.
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[SPEAKER_06]: So he not only got another Oscar, but he got to keep his record.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And we have, uh, doing three coming out this year, right?
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[SPEAKER_06]: So yeah, he's going to, we'll see where we'll see wicked for good says maybe, um, the academy is not treating sequels kindly, but we'll see.
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[SPEAKER_06]: Doom part two was really under rewarded by the academy.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So I'm hoping the doom part three box that we'll see right and it's going to be a it's going to be a thing like yeah I think he's Denise going to swing for the fences right he's got to cap this and he's off right yeah and we have precedents with return of the king right That film that I just sort of liked back Okay, you might have heard it mentioned on this podcast before
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[SPEAKER_06]: Um, but for Marty Supreme, this is one of the ones that's currently in theaters, but it does seem the word on the street is that it's coming to video on demand on February 3rd.
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[SPEAKER_06]: So video on demand, that is like, you know, renting through Apple or Amazon or YouTube or wherever you like to rent.
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[SPEAKER_06]: For insane girls, but anyway.
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[SPEAKER_06]: But yeah, February 3rd is when Marty Supreme's coming to video on demand.
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[SPEAKER_03]: How long is it two and a half hours?
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, this is when I, I feel like I could safely wait and watch on my, on my home screen.
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[SPEAKER_06]: I understand that.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Like it's not a, I can see the big, the big theater experience for it, but then it's a time trade off thing.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And so yeah, I, I feel okay doing that.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Making that.
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[SPEAKER_06]: I dragged my whole family there over Christmas as our big Christmas family outing.
1:00:04
[SPEAKER_06]: We used to do that all the time before the pandemic.
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[SPEAKER_06]: And this is the first time we've done it since.
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[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, good.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, yeah, traditions, right, ritual.
1:00:13
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, important.
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[SPEAKER_06]: And so the next one I know you have seen since this is how you, this is one of the neon ones.
1:00:20
[SPEAKER_06]: And so the plot is sisters Nora and Agnes reunite with their estranged father, the charismatic Gustav, a once renowned director who offers stage actress Nora, a role in what he hopes will be his comeback film.
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[SPEAKER_06]: And the nine nominations for this one are best picture director for Joaquin Trier, lead actress for Renata Reinspa, supporting actor for Stelling Scar's Guard, supporting actress for L Fanning, that almost kind of is the prize and supporting actress also for Inia Ibsdata Lilias.
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[SPEAKER_06]: original screenplay, international film, which it will probably win if the secret agent doesn't end film editing.
1:01:06
[SPEAKER_06]: And film editing is an interesting one because there's a traditional stat that ties film editing winner with the best picture winner.
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[SPEAKER_06]: So there's a reaction video going
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[SPEAKER_06]: cast and crew of sentimental value, watching the nominations being announced and and reacting to it, and you notice they react most to the biggest surprises and they did not expect to get film editing.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Interesting.
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[SPEAKER_06]: They did very well better than a lot of people might have expected, especially after they were shut out of a lot of the American Guild Awards like
1:01:48
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, it's the first film to receive zero nominations at the actor awards.
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[SPEAKER_06]: The previously known as the Saga Awards, and then four acting nominations at the Oscar.
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[SPEAKER_06]: So, just because of the traditional precedents are kind of breaking down recently.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, it means that we're probably in a kind of an inflection point of some kind.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_06]: And this one you can watch on VOD, which you have video on demand, which you have seen it.
1:02:15
[SPEAKER_06]: You were a fan.
1:02:17
[SPEAKER_03]: What did I write I said on our discourse cinema if you're cinema.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I really felt
1:02:24
[SPEAKER_03]: this is a movie right and it had a beginning of middle and end it tell it told the story it told the complex story we saw characters I absolutely adored in uh if stutter Lilius's performance is that she stood out to me as well oh my god because she's not well I I almost spoiled sorry
1:02:47
[SPEAKER_03]: her character you don't think is her her subtle that I'm trying to like she had to make a quiet character be the emotional center of the movie and she pulled that off perfectly well yeah thank you for her clarifying my jumbled up internal thoughts that is exactly what it is and her subtlety and her depth of performance was just incredible and nothing against Elfine
1:03:15
[SPEAKER_03]: But I, that one does kind of was like, oh, that's an interesting supporting actor.
1:03:20
[SPEAKER_03]: Anyway, Star's Guard was phenomenal, especially coming out of Andor where Andor season two, he's got to play a different character than he played in season one.
1:03:32
[SPEAKER_03]: He has to play somebody who's aged, and it's the same thing again here.
1:03:37
[SPEAKER_03]: He's really leaning into his for what's the way I want to say this respectfully, you know, as we age, we change in different ways and to be able to portray that with the subtlety and the complexities that he did and in such a different kind of performance than what we've seen
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[SPEAKER_03]: was really exceptional.
1:04:05
[SPEAKER_03]: It's a really exceptional film.
1:04:06
[SPEAKER_03]: The the the set we'll just say that the character of the set is was great.
1:04:15
[SPEAKER_03]: I just didn't I thoroughly enjoyed this movie.
1:04:17
[SPEAKER_03]: It's a long movie and I never felt like I had to watch my clock.
1:04:22
[SPEAKER_03]: I watched it at home and
1:04:23
[SPEAKER_03]: It just, it really took me.
1:04:26
[SPEAKER_03]: I was really transported by this film.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I so thoroughly enjoyed it.
1:04:31
[SPEAKER_03]: And it's interesting and contrast to what's the George Clooney one?
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[SPEAKER_03]: J. Kelly?
1:04:37
[SPEAKER_03]: J. Kelly, like, how many films in a year can we have about Aaron Fathers who decided to come back and try to be active in their children's lives?
1:04:47
[SPEAKER_03]: Well, there's only sort of only room for one of them, and I'm definitely giving it to send him out of you.
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[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, and I would say I thought early in the year I would have expected this to be in cinematography as well, but that was an extraordinarily competitive category this year, but the cinematography is gorgeous in that film.
1:05:05
[SPEAKER_03]: What I don't have a read on you on what your appreciation for the film is.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Did you like it?
1:05:13
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, so I liked it.
1:05:14
[SPEAKER_06]: It's not one that it sucks me in emotionally as much as, say, sinners or Frankenstein.
1:05:21
[SPEAKER_06]: But I really gave it 3.5 stars when I saw it said, you and I talked about it after the lighting film festival, which you are.
1:05:29
[SPEAKER_06]: That's right.
1:05:29
[SPEAKER_06]: Um, and yeah, I gave it 3.5 stars and I think it's, I, I was like, you know, this deserves all the praise it's going to be heaped on it.
1:05:38
[SPEAKER_06]: Um, it did not hook me emotionally in the same way, but I thought it was a beautiful film with a beautiful, emotional performances.
1:05:46
[SPEAKER_06]: And that's totally a me thing, um, right, right, right, you know, this is obviously a very loved film this year.
1:05:51
[SPEAKER_03]: That's right.
1:05:52
[SPEAKER_03]: I remember the light and, uh, conversation we had and you're like,
1:05:56
[SPEAKER_03]: He's like, okay, whatever, and then I watched it, and then you were like, oh, I was like, oh, Lisa's right.
1:06:01
[SPEAKER_03]: She, I liked it.
1:06:04
[SPEAKER_06]: Very cool.
1:06:05
[SPEAKER_06]: Another beautiful emotional one is haminate from focus.
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[SPEAKER_06]: The plot is keep your heart open.
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[SPEAKER_06]: The powerful story of love and loss that inspired the creation of Shakespeare's timeless masterpiece Hamlet.
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[SPEAKER_06]: And this one got eight nominations, best picture, director for Chloe Zhao, lead actress for Jesse Buckley, adapted screenplay, costume design, casting, score, and production design.
1:06:31
[SPEAKER_06]: and this is another one this is in theaters now we don't know i mean i suppose it's probably coming to video on the man in February but to be honest they ended up extending it's theatrical run in the US because it's been doing so well in a word season
1:06:47
[SPEAKER_06]: So it is a beautiful on screen.
1:06:50
[SPEAKER_06]: This is another one that I might have thought would have gotten cinematography but it's just such a competitive year.
1:06:56
[SPEAKER_06]: It's a very beautiful film.
1:06:59
[SPEAKER_06]: Chloe Shao is the director she won before, for was it no manland?
1:07:07
[SPEAKER_06]: and now she's so she's the first woman to have one best director and get a follow-up nomination after winning.
1:07:15
[SPEAKER_06]: Jane Campion got two nominations and Chloe Zhao is the first one to win and come back for her second nomination after that.
1:07:21
[SPEAKER_06]: Usually it's like oh we already gave her one, she's done.
1:07:24
[SPEAKER_03]: This is cool.
1:07:26
[SPEAKER_03]: It seems like there's a lot of records or patterns that are being challenged or broken or highlighting.
1:07:35
[SPEAKER_03]: The more that we talk about it, the more this year is like, oh, is this a watershed year?
1:07:41
[SPEAKER_03]: Is this a transformational year where we're seeing people of color, people from, you know, we're seeing more international films where we're really shaking up that
1:07:51
[SPEAKER_06]: I mean, yeah, there's still a long way to go because she is still the only woman of color who's ever nominated for best director and we still have the same thing happens every year where there are multiple films by female directors that should have gotten attention, but there's only ever one female directing nominee, so we still, yeah, we we're definitely making progress, but we've got a long way to go still we're pushing.
1:08:17
[SPEAKER_03]: We're pressurizing.
1:08:18
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, we're.
1:08:19
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
1:08:19
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
1:08:19
[SPEAKER_03]: along.
1:08:20
[SPEAKER_03]: That's cool.
1:08:20
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, HamNet is I haven't seen yet, and I don't have a plan for it.
1:08:26
[SPEAKER_03]: So I'm like, or, and then I've heard people, you know, as a parent, right, things sometimes, we're affected by stories of parental struggle.
1:08:36
[SPEAKER_03]: And I'm like, I'm kind of like, girding myself to see this one because I don't know how it's going to punch me.
1:08:40
[SPEAKER_06]: I'll say it's not, I'll say it's not as, I didn't find it as sad and maybe because I went in expecting to like cry the whole time.
1:08:50
[SPEAKER_06]: I'll say the sad stuff only kicks in in the back half.
1:08:54
[SPEAKER_06]: And then it has a really affirming ending.
1:08:59
[SPEAKER_06]: And it's the ending that sends you out of the theater thinking, damn, that was a great film.
1:09:06
[SPEAKER_02]: You know?
1:09:07
[SPEAKER_06]: So I even recommended it to Marilyn just because it's not like, it's not a gory film or anything, the sad thing, I'll just say it has to do with illness.
1:09:21
[SPEAKER_06]: So it's not like a horrible, right, right, right.
1:09:24
[SPEAKER_06]: stuff happens in life and how do you deal with your grief?
1:09:29
[SPEAKER_06]: But the reason why I also recommended it to Marilyn is it's one of the best representations of realistic witchcraft on screen I've ever seen in terms of being connected to intuition and nature Yeah, I did not expect that.
1:09:41
[SPEAKER_06]: I was like, wait, this is a witchy film.
1:09:44
[SPEAKER_03]: Interesting, okay, is it a Shakespeare film like is it a kind of Shakespearean love kind of thing where we're seeing into the world of the time?
1:09:57
[SPEAKER_06]: Yes, it is definitely in that regard, but it's sort of an anti-shake spirit in love in terms of people interpret his relationship with his wife in different ways.
1:10:07
[SPEAKER_06]: This film definitely is like, they were in love, okay?
1:10:10
[SPEAKER_06]: Let's just all get on board with the fact that they were in love and stop pretending he had an affair and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
1:10:16
[SPEAKER_06]: So, and I would say also it's more like Shakespeare, this is more realistically grounded in terms of production design and such
1:10:25
[SPEAKER_06]: the era and it's not he is very much Paul Mescal is very much the supporting actor in this this is Jesse Buckley's movie okay is this does it deal with his work as a playwright specific I mean it's we mostly see it from her perspective so interesting
1:10:43
[SPEAKER_06]: he's going off to London to write and we get updates on how his career is developing there, but the only play it really addresses in depth is Hamlet.
1:10:56
[SPEAKER_03]: So don't really think of this as a Shakespeare or a Shakespeareian thing.
1:11:02
[SPEAKER_03]: It's like, you think it is family and relationship and stuff.
1:11:06
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, it's about his wife.
1:11:09
[SPEAKER_06]: It's just about police movie for sure.
1:11:10
[SPEAKER_06]: But it is also about him.
1:11:12
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.
1:11:13
[SPEAKER_03]: Because whenever you hear anything a Shakespeare connected,
1:11:18
[SPEAKER_03]: That, to me, at least, it, it, it, it sets expectations of how is it going to deal with his work and impact and work and all that kind of stuff.
1:11:27
[SPEAKER_03]: So if I can reorient the context to be that it's Jesse Buckley's character, why not add it all, then that helps me.
1:11:35
[SPEAKER_03]: prep myself as I go in.
1:11:37
[SPEAKER_06]: So I'll say that this it's based on a book and the book it's a historical fiction book but it it forwards a a popular theory in some corners about the origin of Hamlet but there are other historians will come out and be like that can't be true because of A and B and C. Exactly.
1:11:53
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
1:11:54
[SPEAKER_06]: We'll discuss that more in other categories.
1:11:56
[SPEAKER_06]: Okay.
1:11:57
[SPEAKER_06]: But yeah, so, you know, we're talking about people of color, you know, we got to remember the white dudes, Stephen Spielberg is one of the producers on this film and he has now extended his record as the most nominated person in best picture.
1:12:13
[SPEAKER_06]: He now has 14 nominations for best picture.
1:12:16
[SPEAKER_04]: Wow.
1:12:18
[SPEAKER_06]: Um, and yeah, this one, it won the Golden Globe for drama, and it also won AARP movies for grownups, which people are picking more attention to, especially after Vida, Viva Verdi, uh, if God didn't force song surprisingly, well, it's only kind of a bunch of others, yeah.
1:12:34
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, the cultural taste of people who grew up, I mean, yeah, are these are generations that have moved through their lives with movies.
1:12:46
[SPEAKER_03]: And so as I'm sure when some day if I end up in a retirement home, I'll be.
1:12:52
[SPEAKER_03]: playing role playing games and you know next at the table next to us they'll be playing Mario cards at the same time right you know so like we're going to carry our our preferences with this as we age so that's true okay so those are kind of the big six of the season we're going to take a quick break here when we come back we'll talk about the other four best picture nominees
1:13:28
[SPEAKER_06]: All right, so these last four spots were kind of up in the air.
1:13:31
[SPEAKER_06]: Some more than others.
1:13:33
[SPEAKER_06]: One that I have a lot of pundits and I have also been predicting for a while now is Bagonia, got in the latest Yurgos length most film, one of my favorite directors.
1:13:45
[SPEAKER_06]: This is a focus film this year not.
1:13:48
[SPEAKER_06]: Usually it's a 24, but this is focus.
1:13:50
[SPEAKER_06]: The plot is, it all starts with something magnificent.
1:13:54
[SPEAKER_06]: Two conspiracy obsessed young men kidnapped the high-powered CEO of a major company convinced that she is an alien intent on destroying planet Earth.
1:14:04
[SPEAKER_06]: And I'll say this one is based on a Korean film called Save the Green Planet.
1:14:10
[SPEAKER_06]: This one one four nominations best picture lead actress for Emma Stone adapted screenplay and original score and Emma Stone is the other one who received nominations for both best actress and best picture this year so there's only
1:14:25
[SPEAKER_06]: two times.
1:14:27
[SPEAKER_06]: This is second time she's done this and there's only two times ever that this is happened that's two people in the same year have been nominated for both acting and best picture and the last was in 2023.
1:14:40
[SPEAKER_06]: Her again, that time with Bradley Cooper.
1:14:43
[SPEAKER_06]: So
1:14:43
[SPEAKER_06]: she is really she's also the youngest person and only woman to have ever done this and I think she is uh coming for I think she actually might have matched Maryl Streep's nomination record for young actress but one year younger she's 37 and Maryl Streep was 38 so I'm a stone going to be remembered as one of the greats of of my generations.
1:15:07
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, for sure.
1:15:08
[SPEAKER_03]: Interesting.
1:15:09
[SPEAKER_03]: I have just thinking about we're going to have a Diane Keaton film festival for our next 11 podcasts.
1:15:16
[SPEAKER_03]: And I'm getting together Brian and Lisa.
1:15:18
[SPEAKER_03]: to do a review of Diane Keats' filmography.
1:15:23
[SPEAKER_03]: And I'm just thinking, wow, you know, is Emma Stone's trajectory, that kind of thing, where you have to spend an hour or something to go through all the films and really think deeply about the performances and all of the work that they've done.
1:15:39
[SPEAKER_06]: You know, she's only 37, and I would say already, yes.
1:15:43
[SPEAKER_03]: and a pretty incredible career and known, you know, you know, you know, Emma Stone, right?
1:15:47
[SPEAKER_03]: You're right.
1:15:48
[SPEAKER_03]: Your name.
1:15:49
[SPEAKER_03]: You know her.
1:15:49
[SPEAKER_03]: So I have a good.
1:15:51
[SPEAKER_06]: Well, I was just going to say I just put her recent collaborations with Lentimals have really propelled her career as well.
1:15:58
[SPEAKER_06]: I think he's taking a break for a little bit right now.
1:16:00
[SPEAKER_06]: He does he put out a lot of movies and quick succession and he's like, I need to breathe for a second.
1:16:05
[SPEAKER_06]: Very cool.
1:16:06
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I have a plan for this and this will be one I watch probably on my own.
1:16:10
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't know the way it just did.
1:16:12
[SPEAKER_06]: No, that's fair.
1:16:12
[SPEAKER_06]: This is one.
1:16:13
[SPEAKER_06]: So you can watch it on peacock or video on demand.
1:16:17
[SPEAKER_06]: This is, I said to you about this one.
1:16:19
[SPEAKER_06]: I was like, there are aspects of it that I think you're going to love and there are aspects of it that I question whether you might hate.
1:16:25
[SPEAKER_06]: So I, this is one of the ones I'm most curious to hear your comments into.
1:16:30
[SPEAKER_03]: Excellent.
1:16:31
[SPEAKER_03]: Well, I mean, I'm excited to see Jesse Plyman.
1:16:33
[SPEAKER_03]: So I always enjoy Jesse Plyman's performance.
1:16:35
[SPEAKER_06]: Unfortunately, he missed people really.
1:16:37
[SPEAKER_03]: Yes.
1:16:38
[SPEAKER_06]: No competitive, but people really think that he should have gotten an even over Emma Stone.
1:16:44
[SPEAKER_06]: Obviously, they're in different categories and not had to head, but yeah, he did a really impressive work.
1:16:49
[SPEAKER_03]: That was some of the chatter I was hearing that people were like, huh, like, why where is Jesse's name?
1:16:55
[SPEAKER_03]: Anyway, I am, I am looking
1:16:59
[SPEAKER_06]: Yes.
1:17:00
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.
1:17:00
[SPEAKER_06]: I mean, I love Lentimos.
1:17:02
[SPEAKER_06]: This one, I really, I did love this one, but my enjoyment was only hampered by the fact that I like the Korean movie, Save the Green Planet.
1:17:12
[SPEAKER_06]: It's based on a little bit more for some reasons.
1:17:16
[SPEAKER_06]: We'll talk about more afterwards when we do our ranking.
1:17:19
[SPEAKER_06]: That's cool.
1:17:21
[SPEAKER_06]: But this is a beautiful, filmed and vista vision.
1:17:23
[SPEAKER_06]: It's definitely worth watching on the highest
1:17:28
[SPEAKER_03]: It's two movies this year.
1:17:30
[SPEAKER_03]: I have Oscar Noms for a VistaVision film.
1:17:34
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, apparently there's only one camera like that.
1:17:37
[SPEAKER_06]: There's only one VistaVision camera.
1:17:38
[SPEAKER_06]: They had to have to be an Emma Stone was saying about it.
1:17:42
[SPEAKER_06]: She was like, they called it like, the cat or something because it occurs and she's like, it's a really temperamental camera and stuff.
1:17:53
[SPEAKER_06]: A handful of theaters I can actually show in native formatting so yeah, I think I must not have even seen it in his native form I can't remember did I see this in Dolby even I don't know but is score just regardless cool
1:18:08
[SPEAKER_06]: Alright, so that brings us to another one that you've seen F1, which was a cooperation between Warner Bros. and Apple, it is streaming on Apple TV, so that's where you can watch it now.
1:18:19
[SPEAKER_06]: God, the plot is Let's Ride, Racing Legend, Sunny Hayes, Brad Pitt,
1:18:25
[SPEAKER_06]: It's coaxed out of retirement to lead a struggling Formula One team and mentor a young hot shot driver, Demson Idris, while chasing one more chance at glory.
1:18:35
[SPEAKER_06]: And this got four nominations, Best Picture, Editing, Sound, and VFX.
1:18:39
[SPEAKER_06]: And this is one that people consider the biggest surprise in Best Picture, but I honestly saw this coming personally.
1:18:48
[SPEAKER_06]: It is one that was expected to do reasonably well in the technical categories, which, yeah, the other three nominations are all technical categories.
1:18:58
[SPEAKER_06]: But I just, it just seems like it's just a film that's been coming up over and over and over again and, you know, every, it seems like a lot of people have seen it, you've seen it.
1:19:08
[SPEAKER_06]: We're used to price to see it here.
1:19:10
[SPEAKER_03]: a little bit, and it's interesting these lower happys grouping of films here are all the ones where you're like, why is this here, or interesting that this is here?
1:19:21
[SPEAKER_03]: Why did this make it and not that?
1:19:23
[SPEAKER_03]: And this is one of those ones where I wasn't tracking that it wasn't going to be Oscar nominated.
1:19:29
[SPEAKER_03]: We went and saw it.
1:19:30
[SPEAKER_03]: uh my in laws had said they they went and seen it and wow it's a fun thing you guys should go on a date night so we did and we enjoyed ourselves and we went out for you know a little bite beforehand and all that stuff and it was just kind of a fun
1:19:52
[SPEAKER_03]: the totally, you know, I personally, and we're not going to get into too much detail on it, it was about 20 minutes too long for me.
1:20:00
[SPEAKER_03]: There was some stuff in the middle that could have just jumped out.
1:20:03
[SPEAKER_03]: But yeah, the racing, the cinematography, all of that was really incredible, and it was fun.
1:20:10
[SPEAKER_03]: It was a fun movie.
1:20:11
[SPEAKER_03]: He had a very simplistic plot.
1:20:13
[SPEAKER_03]: You're like, okay, there's a little top gun
1:20:20
[SPEAKER_03]: You know there's nothing complex about this movie and so it was fun and I've had a long and complex history with Brad Pitt
1:20:29
[SPEAKER_06]: not it personally but just as a as a viewer and I enjoyed him in this I it's nice to see him leaning into his his age set a little bit so yeah yeah and I know like young may have mentioned if you listen to our podcast once or twice that he likes damn said address so has got to finally see what his whole deal was and and I think yeah for me everything technically
1:20:52
[SPEAKER_06]: great can't fault the acting at all the actors it's just for me that the writing was very basic check list it really is formulaic yeah for which I had put not intended but right right which is why I'm a little surprised to see you don't hear because story why it's just been basic yeah but in terms of all of the other things really fun and this is one of those ones where I am glad I saw it in the theater
1:21:18
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm glad to have had the big screen.
1:21:21
[SPEAKER_03]: I think we saw it in the really big screen at our theater.
1:21:24
[SPEAKER_03]: The big, you know, neoclassical, you know, space.
1:21:28
[SPEAKER_03]: And so it was really great to get that like that zoom zoom feeling to it.
1:21:33
[SPEAKER_06]: I saw it on a plane, but this was the flight where I was upgraded to premium.
1:21:41
[SPEAKER_06]: So I had a bigger screen and I had the added effects of massive amounts of turbulence.
1:21:46
[SPEAKER_06]: So it was like I was in the car myself.
1:21:48
[SPEAKER_03]: 40.
1:21:49
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
1:21:51
[UNKNOWN]: Fun.
1:21:51
[SPEAKER_06]: Um, this one is also making some records on the producing sign, producer D.D.
1:21:57
[SPEAKER_06]: Gardner got her ninth nomination for Best Picture with this film.
1:22:02
[SPEAKER_06]: This makes her the most nominated woman in the category's history, uh, breaking her tie with Kathleen Kennedy.
1:22:09
[SPEAKER_06]: And she is now tied with Scott Ruden for the second most nominations in the category overall.
1:22:14
[SPEAKER_06]: Steven Spielberg
1:22:19
[SPEAKER_06]: And this also sets in record for six producers were received best picture nominations.
1:22:26
[SPEAKER_06]: Now, they're supposed to be a max, but they do allow teams of two, you know, production teams of two to be recognized together.
1:22:34
[SPEAKER_06]: So that's why there is, um, yeah, there's no, there's not supposed to be more than three producers nominated, but this is actually three teams of two.
1:22:42
[SPEAKER_01]: Interesting.
1:22:43
[SPEAKER_06]: them.
1:22:44
[SPEAKER_06]: So that brings us to secret agent by Nian the plot is Brazil, 1977, a time of great mischief.
1:22:53
[SPEAKER_06]: In 1977 Brazil, technology specialist Marcello, fleeing a mysterious past returns to receive in research of peace, but realizes a city is far from the refuge he seeks.
1:23:06
[SPEAKER_06]: So this one got four nominations for Best Picture, Lead Actor for Ragnar Mora, Casting, and International Film.
1:23:13
[SPEAKER_06]: This is the second Best Picture nominee nomination for Brazil after I'm still here last year.
1:23:19
[SPEAKER_03]: Mm-hmm.
1:23:20
[SPEAKER_03]: That's such a good movie.
1:23:21
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.
1:23:22
[SPEAKER_06]: And Magna Mora is now the third Brazilian to be nominated for an Oscar in the first male Brazilian.
1:23:28
[SPEAKER_06]: He followed a for an acting Oscar, I should say, following last year's nominee for Nanda Torres and her mother for Nanda Montenegro is the other nominee from
1:23:41
[SPEAKER_06]: a long time ago.
1:23:43
[SPEAKER_06]: This one is also still in theaters, but it is also expected on video on demand on February 3rd.
1:23:49
[SPEAKER_06]: And this one, yeah, I had some issues with the writing and I'm with a more thing about it, I think there's an editing problem the way the movie was stitched together for me, but I am predicting that you will like this one better than me.
1:24:06
[SPEAKER_06]: It is
1:24:07
[SPEAKER_06]: It's a bit of a caper.
1:24:08
[SPEAKER_06]: It is set around the same time as I'm still here from last year, but it has a much different tone.
1:24:15
[SPEAKER_06]: It's much more like antics.
1:24:19
[SPEAKER_06]: And very much more colorful in terms of what you see on screen and everything and also the way things are portrayed.
1:24:26
[SPEAKER_06]: So yeah, I'm very curious to hear what you'll think of this one.
1:24:30
[SPEAKER_03]: And I hadn't heard about this, uh, didn't know anything about it, and all they knew was Wagner Mora.
1:24:37
[SPEAKER_03]: And I was like, okay, I have to say.
1:24:39
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm in.
1:24:39
[SPEAKER_03]: Wagner Mora.
1:24:40
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
1:24:41
[SPEAKER_03]: I have become a big fan of his.
1:24:44
[SPEAKER_03]: And, uh, yeah, I'm, that's,
1:24:46
[SPEAKER_06]: what's the definition of a movie star as you go see their movie without knowing anything else about the movie other than the fact that that person is in it and yeah for me Wagnermore is now a movie star so yeah yeah he really for me it was civil war where with Alex Garland film where i was like wait who who is that and now i'm ever since i am paying a lot of attention to it Wagnermore as well and he indeed is very charming very good in this film you know
1:25:13
[SPEAKER_06]: I've got the thing he's got the thing he's a movie star for show.
1:25:18
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I've got a definitely plan for watching.
1:25:21
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, yes.
1:25:21
[SPEAKER_06]: All the love to Brazil.
1:25:22
[SPEAKER_06]: I'll just say I've seen other Brazilian films I liked better this year, but Brazil, I love you.
1:25:27
[SPEAKER_06]: I love Wagner more I don't hate it.
1:25:30
[SPEAKER_06]: Okay, that brings us to the final film on the list, Train Dreams, Netflix film.
1:25:37
[SPEAKER_06]: The plot is a logger leads a life of quite great, as he experiences love and loss during an era of monumental change in early 20th century America for nominations for Best Picture adapted screenplay cinematography and original song for Train Dreams.
1:25:52
[SPEAKER_06]: It's called Train Dreams,
1:25:58
[SPEAKER_06]: of the score and Nick Cave just kind of when he was writing the song.
1:26:03
[SPEAKER_06]: He was like, and turns out Nick, you like, um, Clint, Bentley, the director.
1:26:08
[SPEAKER_06]: He went to Nick Cave and said, I would like you to write a song for this film.
1:26:14
[SPEAKER_06]: And Nick Cave was like, that happens to be my favorite book.
1:26:18
[SPEAKER_06]: Um, so he, he was like, I don't know, I don't know if I can like write a song this film and then he said like that night he immediately the lyrics came to him.
1:26:27
[SPEAKER_06]: I heard Bryce Desner score and he's like, oh, yeah, I can just make it blend into that and so I think it's a really beautiful song of his very glad to see it got nominated.
1:26:38
[SPEAKER_06]: Um, this one, this is one of the ones that I was suggesting for you.
1:26:42
[SPEAKER_06]: It is a bit, it's melancholy also, but it's, um,
1:26:47
[SPEAKER_06]: I do, I don't know.
1:26:49
[SPEAKER_06]: I didn't mind that aspect.
1:26:52
[SPEAKER_06]: It's so beautiful.
1:26:54
[SPEAKER_06]: Absolutely deserve this cinematography nomination.
1:26:57
[SPEAKER_06]: It's just kind of tracing a lost era of Americana.
1:27:03
[SPEAKER_06]: Um, he's a logger, I'll say, and and there's also, I think in another universe, William H. Macy would have also gotten a supporting actor nominee.
1:27:13
[SPEAKER_06]: He really stands out in this film.
1:27:15
[SPEAKER_03]: Uh, it's, I think we just were watching a special go or are 11 Cs monthly movie club thing.
1:27:22
[SPEAKER_03]: And I was just thinking, man, William H. Macy, William H. Macy, what a, what a career that guy's had.
1:27:29
[SPEAKER_03]: So I do know that he was in this.
1:27:30
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm excited now to see it.
1:27:31
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.
1:27:32
[SPEAKER_06]: No, I hope that you'll like it.
1:27:34
[SPEAKER_06]: I liked it.
1:27:36
[SPEAKER_06]: I think it's a very special film and absolutely deserves to be in best picture, absolutely.
1:27:42
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, this is one that I think the secret agent and train dreams are two films that I want to see a range for my wife and I to watch together.
1:27:50
[SPEAKER_06]: I don't know if she's going to be interested in HamNet or not, but anyway, I mean, I think as a mother, she It might be a tough watch for a bit in the middle there, but I think but I'm telling you the end And okay, makes it worth it.
1:28:05
[SPEAKER_06]: If the end is is a nod to mothers everywhere.
1:28:09
[SPEAKER_06]: Got it.
1:28:09
[SPEAKER_06]: Got it.
1:28:09
[SPEAKER_06]: Got it.
1:28:10
[SPEAKER_03]: Well, and that's true.
1:28:11
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah
1:28:12
[SPEAKER_03]: uh, changing them.
1:28:13
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm definitely looking forward to.
1:28:14
[SPEAKER_03]: I had again like a secret agent.
1:28:17
[SPEAKER_03]: It was not on my radar.
1:28:19
[SPEAKER_03]: And uh, I was like, oh, this is interesting.
1:28:21
[SPEAKER_03]: I'd not long ago, a few months ago, I watched McCabe and Mrs. Miller.
1:28:25
[SPEAKER_03]: And I was like, oh, what a what a movie.
1:28:27
[SPEAKER_03]: So I'm kind of, I'm kind of excited to see something to pair with.
1:28:33
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, kind of totally forgot about this too.
1:28:35
[SPEAKER_03]: Can just quickly to jump back.
1:28:37
[SPEAKER_03]: in talking about pairings, sentimental value, followed by rental family, rate pairing, really, really, really great pairing.
1:28:47
[SPEAKER_03]: I would highly recommend that set up for anyone.
1:28:51
[SPEAKER_03]: Rental value was rental family was so lovely.
1:28:53
[SPEAKER_03]: Anyway, it is so lovely.
1:28:55
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, no, I'm going to mention rental family briefly because it is notable in a certain way.
1:29:01
[SPEAKER_06]: On the other side of one last quick commercial break, we're going to talk about the other biggest surprises and fun facts and a quick look at the acting nominees.
1:29:11
[SPEAKER_06]: See you in a second.
1:29:25
[SPEAKER_06]: Alright, so first big surprise, avatar fire and ash in costumes.
1:29:33
[SPEAKER_06]: Okay.
1:29:33
[SPEAKER_06]: This is one of the biggest surprises of the night, Lisa and I are definitely going to talk about it.
1:29:37
[SPEAKER_06]: We've talked about it privately, but we're going to talk about it in our episode.
1:29:40
[SPEAKER_06]: It's up against Frankenstein, which is probably or should win if it doesn't get caught up in a center sweep or something.
1:29:48
[SPEAKER_06]: And Hamna and Marty and Supreme are the other two nominees, but there are just such
1:29:53
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, at least I know you're going to cry for films like Heta that should have been in here instead or wicked for good, you know.
1:29:59
[SPEAKER_06]: So it's a digital movie but apparently the costumes are made physically and then, you know, sort of scanning.
1:30:09
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.
1:30:10
[SPEAKER_06]: Okay.
1:30:10
[SPEAKER_06]: So it qualifies it was just a big shock and I'm sure more will come out over the coming weeks about why how that happened.
1:30:20
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
1:30:21
[SPEAKER_06]: Of course, this leads into the fact that we could for good, completely blanked, we already talked about that.
1:30:26
[SPEAKER_06]: But it was expected to at least get costumes and song.
1:30:31
[SPEAKER_06]: Last year, it was nominated for the first part.
1:30:34
[SPEAKER_06]: It was nominated for 10 films, including Best Picture.
1:30:36
[SPEAKER_06]: So this is shocking.
1:30:38
[SPEAKER_06]: And of course, the two acting nominees we might have expected, especially Ariana Grande, was thought to be a laugh for a while.
1:30:45
[SPEAKER_06]: shocking.
1:30:47
[SPEAKER_06]: The biggest surprise in song I mentioned briefly above was this song with the Viva Verdi.
1:30:54
[SPEAKER_06]: It's an opera, but it also has some sort of quasi pop mix.
1:31:00
[SPEAKER_06]: Now, Mark and I, we were going to talk about this in our episode anyway of our music episode that's coming up just because it's so interesting and different.
1:31:08
[SPEAKER_06]: So I suppose I'm not the only person who thought that
1:31:12
[SPEAKER_06]: break down for us better what exactly John wrote.
1:31:15
[SPEAKER_06]: This would qualify as he's really good at that.
1:31:19
[SPEAKER_06]: But that was a big surprise.
1:31:20
[SPEAKER_06]: And then make up, bring in the surprises left and right.
1:31:25
[SPEAKER_06]: So Frankenstein and sinners were considered locks.
1:31:28
[SPEAKER_06]: Frankenstein will probably win for especially the creatures make up.
1:31:33
[SPEAKER_06]: And I know a lot of people said the smashing machine was a
1:31:42
[SPEAKER_06]: But for me, it was like, I didn't consider it a lot, but I had two hopeful ones.
1:31:48
[SPEAKER_06]: I was like, oh, I hope either Cocoo, the Japan's entry this year, or the ugly step sister, which is not Norway's entry this year, because sentimental value is Norway's entry this year.
1:32:00
[SPEAKER_06]: So the ugly step sister was one that was probably going to be left out a because of that, and b because it's extreme body art.
1:32:08
[SPEAKER_06]: And both Koko and the ugly step sister got in, so that was a really pleasant surprise for me.
1:32:14
[SPEAKER_03]: Cool.
1:32:15
[SPEAKER_03]: You mentioned Koko to me, and it was like, oh, that's interesting.
1:32:20
[SPEAKER_03]: But it feels like it's a
1:32:23
[SPEAKER_03]: a bit of a witty tone.
1:32:26
[SPEAKER_06]: It's a three hour epic set.
1:32:29
[SPEAKER_06]: It's about a young yakuza boy who ends up becoming one of the greatest kabuki performers in Japan.
1:32:35
[SPEAKER_03]: I watched the trailer and it looked stunning.
1:32:39
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, I love wood with, I mean, definitely Lisa and I are going to talk about this in the production design and stuff, but it was nominated for makeup.
1:32:48
[SPEAKER_06]: It could have been in costumes, more than Avatar for me.
1:32:52
[SPEAKER_06]: But Abby, she went to see it in the theater, and I liked her comment afterwards.
1:32:58
[SPEAKER_06]: She was like, I could smell the makeup and the old gemstones.
1:33:04
[SPEAKER_06]: And not say I learned a lot about Kubuki watching, so that was really worthwhile.
1:33:08
[SPEAKER_06]: This is definitely a theater nerd's movie.
1:33:10
[SPEAKER_03]: Nice.
1:33:11
[SPEAKER_03]: And Japan has a lot to offer both television and movie these days, and so and with the return for Shogun coming up, but I think it's something I definitely want to watch ahead of time, just to immerse myself in the rich cultural history of all of these forms, and to see a movie about stage, like cinema, mental value, in some ways,
1:33:33
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, and yeah, the sentimental value is a movie within a movie, a play within a play kind of thing.
1:33:41
[SPEAKER_03]: And so to see a movie about stage performances in Japan seems like it's really great offering.
1:33:50
[SPEAKER_06]: So I appreciate that they clearly spend some time getting the subtitles right for the cool and I know the thing for you.
1:34:01
[SPEAKER_06]: But including like when they would start they would show these iconic scenes from Kabuki iconic to people who know Kabuki I'm sure I'm going to Japan automatically.
1:34:10
[SPEAKER_06]: They you hear the title and you know the idea But obviously they realized the international audience does not so they would just like have like a pause to sort of briefly Submarize in the subtitles for you.
1:34:22
[SPEAKER_06]: This is what happens in this scene.
1:34:24
[SPEAKER_04]: So interesting.
1:34:25
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah
1:34:25
[SPEAKER_06]: So they really are making it more accessible for non-Japanese people as well, which I super appreciate.
1:34:32
[SPEAKER_06]: And as I said, the ugly stepsister, what of my top films of the year I do have to recommend it with caution because of the extreme elements of horror.
1:34:42
[SPEAKER_06]: There are scenes there.
1:34:43
[SPEAKER_06]: I will never forget.
1:34:44
[SPEAKER_06]: And I watched a lot of it through my fingers.
1:34:47
[SPEAKER_06]: I say that is someone with a strong stomach.
1:34:50
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I have a horror, like yeah, horror is an important genre for you, so.
1:34:54
[SPEAKER_06]: But it is, it's something.
1:34:56
[SPEAKER_06]: I mean, if you know the brother's grim version of Cinderella, like it's yes, there are you can see on the poster, it involves the cutting off of toes, which comes straight out of the brother's grim and that and but that ends up being Not one of well, that's one of the worst I suppose there were a few, it's just a good cut.
1:35:15
[SPEAKER_06]: All right, but it is so beautiful like it's so visually beautiful just the production design and on the acting is so good and it's it's a really great take on Cinderella with a it's from obviously the step sisters perspective and it has
1:35:36
[SPEAKER_06]: really interesting ending.
1:35:37
[SPEAKER_06]: So, yeah, I loved that one and I kind of want to rewatch it, even though I'll rewatch it through my fingers in podcasts.
1:35:45
[SPEAKER_06]: In parts, it's not all like that.
1:35:48
[SPEAKER_06]: I'll just say, yeah, VFX was a bit expected, a bit unexpected, avatar fire and Ash, obviously nominated likely to win F1, Jurassic World Rebirth, the Lost Bus, and sinners are in there.
1:36:02
[SPEAKER_06]: Jurassic World Rebirth, probably the biggest surprise in that lot.
1:36:05
[SPEAKER_06]: But I mean, it shouldn't be, it's a big dinosaurs, but there's just so many snubs.
1:36:10
[SPEAKER_06]: Superman was on the shortlist, didn't make it in.
1:36:13
[SPEAKER_06]: Predator Badlands and three Marvel films didn't even make the shortlist.
1:36:17
[SPEAKER_06]: So it's, yeah, and I'm usually more excited about that category in this year.
1:36:22
[SPEAKER_06]: I'm like, yeah, fine.
1:36:23
[SPEAKER_06]: It's a avatar I'm moving on.
1:36:26
[SPEAKER_06]: All right.
1:36:27
[SPEAKER_06]: And so I tease this, we talked about neon and I said we're going to come back to the neon thing because as I mentioned, they've become made a name for themselves and especially the international category.
1:36:38
[SPEAKER_06]: And there was a phenomenon that people were predicting might happen.
1:36:42
[SPEAKER_06]: I was hoping for it.
1:36:44
[SPEAKER_06]: And it was that the neon five,
1:36:46
[SPEAKER_06]: would take over international that Neon would get all five spots in international and that didn't quite happen.
1:36:53
[SPEAKER_06]: So they got four spots, the four spots that were considered pretty much locks.
1:36:57
[SPEAKER_06]: It was just an accident from France, although it's actually an Iranian film, but Jafar Panahi is
1:37:05
[SPEAKER_06]: you know, he being persecuted by the government and around and and all that.
1:37:09
[SPEAKER_06]: So a lot of Iranian films are submitted by other countries lately.
1:37:15
[SPEAKER_06]: Sentimental value from Norway, one of the two most likely winners, Serat from Spain was thought to get more nominations, but only ended up getting two.
1:37:24
[SPEAKER_06]: the secret agent from Brazil, the other most likely winner, and the one that wasn't a surprise, but a confirmation I suppose was the one non-neon film, it's from Willa, it's the voice of
1:37:48
[SPEAKER_06]: And yeah, so there were a number of Israeli Palestinian films that were in the mix this year in this category.
1:37:57
[SPEAKER_06]: And so that is the one that made it in.
1:38:01
[SPEAKER_06]: So that's not really surprised.
1:38:02
[SPEAKER_06]: But it does mean that no other choice did not get in.
1:38:06
[SPEAKER_06]: No other choice is from Park Chan Woke, who is one of the top Korean directors for films like Old Boy, which I hate by the way, but I love his other films that I've seen, the Han Maiden, and decision to leave, and now no other choice is it's about a
1:38:28
[SPEAKER_06]: It's about a guy who's careers being replaced by automated machines and the lengths he goes to to keep himself employed because the world runs on money and so it's a tragic comedy for sure.
1:38:45
[SPEAKER_06]: And it put just I think most people who see it absolutely love it and there's now a reputation that Park Chan woke is always ignored by the academy.
1:38:55
[SPEAKER_06]: He's never been nominated and that's just unjust and unfair and I will not stand for it.
1:39:01
[SPEAKER_06]: Except I have no choice but to stand for it.
1:39:03
[SPEAKER_06]: I have no other choice.
1:39:05
[SPEAKER_03]: The hand maiden is on my to watch list, so I think you were on the discord talking about it.
1:39:10
[SPEAKER_06]: And I was like, okay.
1:39:12
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
1:39:13
[SPEAKER_03]: I think you said it.
1:39:13
[SPEAKER_03]: It falls into the potential perfect film.
1:39:16
[SPEAKER_06]: Although I do also very much enjoy it.
1:39:19
[SPEAKER_06]: I find it very embarrassing.
1:39:21
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.
1:39:22
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.
1:39:22
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.
1:39:24
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.
1:39:24
[SPEAKER_06]: And this one, the other, it was just an accident, was thought that was the counter winner.
1:39:30
[SPEAKER_06]: And this is the first time in years that the counter winner hasn't been nominated for Best Picture and Jafar Panahi, Miss for Best Director and, you know, a lot of people are a bit surprised about that, especially with everything going on and around and with his persecution
1:39:49
[SPEAKER_06]: noise because it is also, it's a fun but serious movie about people being tortured by the Iranian government and them taking their revenge.
1:40:02
[SPEAKER_03]: All right, complex topic.
1:40:03
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, so I got two nominations in the end for International and original screenplay, which if we're going to get to any two, obviously, it would be those.
1:40:12
[SPEAKER_06]: And I'll say this, it's a big year for international film still.
1:40:15
[SPEAKER_06]: We were a bit worried because the U.S. Guild nominations were ignoring international films, because apparently they don't like subtitles, but there's actually a record where there's the first year with four non-English language performances, primarily non-English languages performances, because they all speak a little three from sentimental value, because of course Dakota Fanning speaks English in that film,
1:40:42
[SPEAKER_06]: speaks English in that film, and then Wagner Mora from the Secret Agent.
1:40:47
[UNKNOWN]: So
1:40:48
[SPEAKER_06]: Um, I'll say, sir out.
1:40:50
[SPEAKER_06]: It was expected to do better than Spanish film, but it is the first all woman sound team nominated for an Oscar and definitely deserves a sound nomination.
1:40:57
[SPEAKER_06]: And uh, sentimental value.
1:41:01
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, so the European film awards, their biggest awardees were sentimental value, which swept with six wins and sir out, which got five wins.
1:41:12
[SPEAKER_06]: So,
1:41:13
[SPEAKER_06]: I mean, I think sentimental value, this is their category to lose, unless you never understood it.
1:41:18
[SPEAKER_06]: And never underestimate Brazil.
1:41:20
[SPEAKER_06]: But should I put to the serrat on my radar?
1:41:23
[SPEAKER_06]: Um, I, yeah.
1:41:26
[SPEAKER_06]: So that one, it's, I have complicated feelings about that because the first part of the movie, you think you're getting something different than what you get in the back half.
1:41:36
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
1:41:37
[SPEAKER_06]: there is a drastic change in- Interesting, okay.
1:41:42
[SPEAKER_06]: But it is one that is very popular.
1:41:45
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.
1:41:47
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I mean, it's bubbled up into, you know, it's sort of broken through a little bit in my, I would say definitely, point no other choice on the list.
1:41:56
[SPEAKER_06]: I have no qualms about telling you to do that.
1:41:59
[UNKNOWN]: Okay.
1:42:01
[SPEAKER_06]: And so you mentioned rental family before.
1:42:04
[SPEAKER_06]: Oh, so this is, this is the first time in 20 years that search light pictures failed to receive a single nomination.
1:42:12
[SPEAKER_01]: Wow.
1:42:13
[SPEAKER_06]: And there are three big films that were at some points thought to be contenders were rental family, as you mentioned.
1:42:22
[SPEAKER_06]: Is this thing on, which is just coming out and theaters here next week?
1:42:27
[SPEAKER_06]: and the testament of Anne Lee, which is the follow-up from the same team as the brutalist last year, but this one swapped and who was the director this time.
1:42:36
[SPEAKER_06]: And yeah, the testament of Anne Lee and Amanda Cyfred was thought to get an nomination for that, but that didn't end up happening very, very packed year.
1:42:47
[SPEAKER_04]: Okay.
1:42:48
[SPEAKER_06]: So, poor went out for searchlly pictures and everyone go watch those films anyway, especially rental families are really easy watch.
1:42:56
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, and it's fun, and it has a nice bow on the end, you know, it's tied up nicely and just what a lovely project for, why am I blanking the actor's name?
1:43:09
[SPEAKER_03]: Brendan Frazier.
1:43:10
[SPEAKER_03]: Thank you, Brendan Frazier.
1:43:11
[SPEAKER_03]: Lovely project for him, and just for the pleasure to see you.
1:43:14
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I'll lovely to see him on screen and just inhabiting his role so holistically just it just really resonated and it was just a fun move.
1:43:24
[SPEAKER_06]: So yeah, in another year he would have gotten a best actor nomination for that.
1:43:29
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.
1:43:30
[SPEAKER_06]: And this is also the first Ben Wall Blank mystery movie wake up dead man.
1:43:35
[SPEAKER_06]: It's the first one not to receive a screenplay nomination.
1:43:38
[SPEAKER_06]: It it also blank this time.
1:43:44
[SPEAKER_06]: Oh, it was, I, the glass onion one, the second one that was my least favorite by far.
1:43:51
[SPEAKER_06]: This one, I quite like to this one.
1:43:54
[SPEAKER_06]: I thought it was very different in Tom from the first one, but I liked it as much.
1:43:58
[SPEAKER_03]: Okay.
1:44:00
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I'm not saying much more.
1:44:02
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, okay, all right, that's just me.
1:44:06
[SPEAKER_06]: Let's say another record, this is the third time in Academy Awards history that all five best director nominees are also nominated for writing their films.
1:44:15
[SPEAKER_06]: So this is a growing trend because the previous two times were in 2022 and 2024.
1:44:22
[SPEAKER_06]: This is a recent phenomenon.
1:44:25
[SPEAKER_06]: And of course, we have to shout out, we can't not shout out Diane Warren.
1:44:31
[SPEAKER_06]: Now, 17, oh, is this the person in the song category?
1:44:37
[SPEAKER_06]: She, I mean, she's written, if you don't know who Diane Warren is, just Google her and you definitely know, like, don't want to miss a thing.
1:44:44
[SPEAKER_06]: He's so many songs from her.
1:44:46
[SPEAKER_06]: But this year's song is Dear Me, sung by Kesha, and it comes from a documentary about her life and about her quest for an Oscar.
1:44:55
[SPEAKER_06]: So it's very meta-nomination.
1:44:58
[SPEAKER_06]: Very appropriate.
1:44:59
[SPEAKER_06]: I have to say, the documentary, though, is actually quite good.
1:45:03
[SPEAKER_06]: It's like,
1:45:04
[SPEAKER_06]: better than most documentaries of this type.
1:45:07
[SPEAKER_06]: I'm not the only one saying this.
1:45:08
[SPEAKER_06]: This is people tend to agree.
1:45:10
[SPEAKER_06]: It does show some raw vulnerability on her side.
1:45:15
[SPEAKER_06]: She's a very interesting person who's led a complex life and it does get into all of that.
1:45:21
[SPEAKER_06]: So I do recommend Diane Warren relentless the documentary.
1:45:25
[SPEAKER_06]: But
1:45:26
[SPEAKER_06]: She's almost certainly going to lose to K-pop demon hunters for golden or if not the sinners for I lied to you.
1:45:34
[SPEAKER_06]: So that means when that happens, sorry Diana, I'm already predicting it.
1:45:39
[SPEAKER_06]: That means that she will have the record for the most nominations without winning.
1:45:44
[SPEAKER_03]: amazing.
1:45:45
[SPEAKER_03]: That is a kind of a, I don't know, it's kind of strangely, uh, you're, you're winning for, for losing in a weird way.
1:45:54
[SPEAKER_03]: It's about, what do you like?
1:45:56
[SPEAKER_06]: I mean, she, at this point, she's, she's famous for not winning Oscar so far.
1:46:01
[SPEAKER_03]: That's what I'm saying.
1:46:01
[SPEAKER_03]: That's what I'm saying.
1:46:02
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, in the duck, she makes clear.
1:46:04
[SPEAKER_06]: She really does want, she's gotten a non-array Oscar.
1:46:07
[SPEAKER_06]: We've meant it.
1:46:07
[SPEAKER_04]: It does want to win.
1:46:08
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, but she she does really want to win and she obviously has a lot of friends in the academy because we know like when we're tracking what movies are going to get nominated one of the things that we do is we look at what movies are releasing this year with Diane more in songs.
1:46:23
[SPEAKER_03]: She is a force.
1:46:24
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, this is her ninth consecutive nomination for Best Original Song, as I said, in 17 overall, and this is the most consecutive nominations amongst anyone alive, breaking her tie with John Williams, who was not made eight consecutive years for score.
1:46:39
[SPEAKER_06]: Got it.
1:46:41
[SPEAKER_06]: Um, and yeah, I'm not going to shout out anything about animation because for me, it was completely what was expected.
1:46:49
[SPEAKER_06]: Um, there's a K-pop demon hunters, of course.
1:46:53
[SPEAKER_06]: There's the two bigger movies, Zootopia 2, and ELEO from the big studios.
1:47:01
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.
1:47:01
[SPEAKER_06]: And the other two are my two favorites.
1:47:05
[SPEAKER_06]: Although I have to say, K-pop demon hunters.
1:47:07
[SPEAKER_06]: better than you might expect.
1:47:09
[SPEAKER_06]: I thought it was really, it's a really solid movie with a good message.
1:47:13
[SPEAKER_06]: But my two favorites are of course the quirky French language ones.
1:47:18
[SPEAKER_06]: Arco, which is actually it's produced by Natalie Portman, and so they have the version showing in the US.
1:47:25
[SPEAKER_06]: I haven't gotten to watch this version yet, but it's US Dubs or you know all English language Dubs.
1:47:31
[SPEAKER_06]: Um, so Natalie Portman, like, plays one of the characters, Mark Ruffalo plays a father in the and yeah, and so it's a great cast, uh, for Arco about a time traveling kid who makes friends with another kid, and then the other one is a little omelette, um, or the character of Rain, which is from the perspective of, I would say, she's neurodivergent, I would say autistic child
1:47:55
[SPEAKER_06]: is a Belgian girl raised in Japan and about the complications of that, but I love both of those films unlikely to win, but just glad to shout them out.
1:48:05
[SPEAKER_06]: And the doc's side, this was, there were some surprises here, but it was also very packed category this year.
1:48:13
[SPEAKER_06]: The perfect neighbor might end up winning.
1:48:17
[SPEAKER_06]: That's a Netflix kind of true crime documentary.
1:48:22
[SPEAKER_06]: That's one of the ones I have already watched.
1:48:24
[SPEAKER_06]: And it isn't a grossing watch, but it's an unusual one for the Oscars.
1:48:29
[SPEAKER_06]: And there is the director of that Gita Gundbier is also the director of one of the nominees for documentary short this year.
1:48:39
[SPEAKER_06]: The Devil is busy.
1:48:41
[SPEAKER_06]: So this is the second time it happened, this last happened in 2024.
1:48:46
[SPEAKER_06]: And poor went out for the docs who might have been nominated, but were snubbed two thousand meters to Andreevka, which is from the Ukrainian side of the war, cover up, which is about propaganda.
1:48:59
[SPEAKER_06]: And my undesirable friends part one last errand, Moscow, which is a five and a half hour documentary, I have watched it about,
1:49:07
[SPEAKER_06]: looking at the fall of free speech and Russia from the perspective of the last opposition news media.
1:49:15
[SPEAKER_06]: So obviously, yeah, people want to talk about the world conflicts and documentaries are placed to do it.
1:49:24
[SPEAKER_06]: I'm going to have documentary editor Rebecca June back again this year to walk us through all of that because this is always my weakest category.
1:49:32
[SPEAKER_06]: Got it.
1:49:33
[SPEAKER_06]: But let's take a quick look at the acting categories to close.
1:49:38
[SPEAKER_06]: Starting with lead actor, we have Timothy Shalameh for Marty Supreme, most likely to win Leonardo DiCaprio for one battle after another, Ethan Hawke for Blue Moon.
1:49:47
[SPEAKER_06]: It's quasi-surprise, not really.
1:49:49
[SPEAKER_06]: Michael B. Jordan for sinners, Wagner Mora for the secret agent, and that means that Joel Ederton missed out for train dreams, Jesse Plyman's missed out for Bogonia, and I really wanted but Noah was no chance, Lee Bionthin, for no other choice.
1:50:05
[SPEAKER_06]: He, most people know him as the frontman in squid game, and that's me, I'm most non-Korean people, I'll say, and
1:50:14
[SPEAKER_06]: his acting in this was a revelation for me just his comedy genius mixed with him being able to carry the deep heavy emotions aspect of that film as well.
1:50:26
[SPEAKER_06]: So no other choice I can't recommend it enough.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Go.
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[SPEAKER_06]: What do you think of the lineup?
1:50:31
[SPEAKER_03]: Uh, Ethan Hawke was a surprise, uh, don't know anything about Blue Moon, uh, and also surprise by Wagnumura with, uh, Shalame DiCaprio and Michael B. Jordan, right, that was, that felt like, yeah, that, that's what, that's what's going on.
1:50:48
[SPEAKER_03]: Who, who I want to get in, I don't know, and I don't know who's going to get in, I don't know who's going to get in, I don't know where to predict this one.
1:50:54
[SPEAKER_03]: It's tough, but it would be pretty awesome if Michael B. Jordan were able to pick it up because of the complexity of the dual role thing, that performance and that kind of
1:51:07
[SPEAKER_03]: work that an actor does for that I think is significant and I think that's it's pretty worthy.
1:51:13
[SPEAKER_06]: So yeah, I'll just say blue moons and we do mention it that is about he plays Lorenz Hart as in Hart and Hammerstein is also in this and it's about this moment.
1:51:28
[SPEAKER_06]: It's mostly like a
1:51:30
[SPEAKER_06]: plays like a play, you know, it's mostly in one setting.
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[SPEAKER_06]: And it's about this moment where he is no longer working with his longtime partner who's moving on to someone who's less difficult and he's kind of coping with it and talking to people and he's very charming and good and it also got nominated for writing.
1:51:50
[SPEAKER_06]: But yeah, it's definitely carried by love of Ethan Hawke.
1:51:54
[SPEAKER_03]: Right, one other note about about DeCaprio.
1:52:01
[SPEAKER_03]: Was it as much as a performance?
1:52:04
[SPEAKER_03]: You know, like, I don't know, there was, he was kind of playing his stick, he was kind of playing his, like, Wolf Wolf Wolf.
1:52:12
[SPEAKER_03]: That's a shit.
1:52:13
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
1:52:13
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, so, you know, does it have the nuance of, you know, and again, I can't comment because I'm in shallow maze performance.
1:52:20
[SPEAKER_03]: but compared to Michael B. Jordan, and again, Wagner Morris, excellent, and seen that.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So, you know, I could see him not getting it for this one.
1:52:28
[SPEAKER_06]: We'll see.
1:52:28
[SPEAKER_06]: We'll see.
1:52:29
[SPEAKER_06]: I mean, Michael B. Jordan this, he is the second person to get an Oscar nomination for portraying twins, Nicholas Cage was the first and adaptation, and he is the seventh person nominated for playing multiple roles in one film.
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[SPEAKER_06]: So,
1:52:45
[SPEAKER_06]: there are other multiple role films that I actually might have would have loved to have seen on here, but I knew they wouldn't be that would be Dylan O'Brien for a twin-less and Robert Pattinson from Mickey 17, people forget about that.
1:52:59
[SPEAKER_06]: That was incredible.
1:53:00
[SPEAKER_06]: His double performance.
1:53:02
[SPEAKER_06]: It was a great year for double performances.
1:53:04
[SPEAKER_06]: Interesting.
1:53:06
[SPEAKER_06]: Um, okay, lead actress, Jesse Buckley is likely to take it home for hamnets.
1:53:11
[SPEAKER_06]: The Roseburn was also predicted heavily for if I had legs.
1:53:16
[SPEAKER_06]: I'd kick you, um, Renata Riteshva for Sentimental value and Emma Stone for Burgonia are not surprises Kate Hudson on the surface looks like the biggest surprise for Song Song Blue, which is about her and, um, Hugh Jackman.
1:53:31
[SPEAKER_06]: And they are like covered musicians.
1:53:34
[SPEAKER_06]: I actually am that's a movie.
1:53:36
[SPEAKER_06]: I'm halfway through.
1:53:37
[SPEAKER_06]: I haven't finished it yet But she was campaigned heavily for that.
1:53:41
[SPEAKER_06]: She sings she does the whole thing.
1:53:43
[SPEAKER_06]: It's very Kate Hudson of her.
1:53:45
[SPEAKER_06]: This is her first nomination since What's it called?
1:53:49
[SPEAKER_06]: Almost famous.
1:53:51
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, right.
1:53:52
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I don't think I saw that
1:53:55
[SPEAKER_06]: But yeah, there there are two films in here not nominated for anything else if I had legs.
1:54:00
[SPEAKER_06]: I'd kick you and and obviously that song sung blue and it means that people were shocked that chase infinity missed for one battle after another and Amanda Syfreed for the
1:54:18
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, for actor and best picture and some of the other higher profiles, it seemed to make a lot of sense in the this year for best actress.
1:54:28
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm like, ah, there's actors.
1:54:30
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't know here or movies.
1:54:32
[SPEAKER_03]: I really haven't heard of, so it's an interesting basket for point actress.
1:54:40
[SPEAKER_06]: Why, I talked about if I had legs, I'd kick you also in the light and film festival episode.
1:54:47
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so on my watch list and eventually watch a bit of an hard parent film, right?
1:54:52
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, it is another hard parent film for sure.
1:54:55
[SPEAKER_06]: Um, that, yeah, that one was in the middle of my rankings for the year, but it was, it's a very good, good film and she gives a great performance, but yeah, of this list, I suppose I am behind Jesse Buckley being the winner of this, that makes sense to me.
1:55:12
[SPEAKER_06]: Um, supporting actress, now supporting categories are where there's really some competition going on.
1:55:19
[SPEAKER_06]: So the nominees for supporting actress are L-Fanning for Sentimental Value, Inga, Ibstolta, Lilias for Sentimental Value, Amy Madigan for Weapons, Moon Mi Musaku for sinners and Teyana Taylor for one battle after another.
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[SPEAKER_06]: And I would say the strongest, the precursors so far have gone to Amy Madigan for weapons and Teyana Taylor for one battle after another.
1:55:42
[SPEAKER_06]: I would say, Inga, obstalter Lilias is she's like, she and Elfanne could end up splitting the votes, but I think that actually anyone who wants to vote for that film is going to vote for Lilias because she is such the standout of it, the surprise, I suppose.
1:56:01
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, this is a supporting actress is a much more interesting from a watcher standpoint that is, then was actress in some ways.
1:56:09
[SPEAKER_06]: So yeah, it's, there's a real race there.
1:56:12
[SPEAKER_03]: There's a real race there.
1:56:13
[SPEAKER_03]: Exactly.
1:56:14
[SPEAKER_06]: Although people are upset that Odessa Azayan from Marty Supreme, Mist and Ariana Grande from Wicked for Good and yeah, they were both very worthy performances, but it is what it is.
1:56:27
[SPEAKER_06]: Yay, I'm really happy to see Amy Madigan in here.
1:56:31
[SPEAKER_06]: We came clear at some point that that was going to happen.
1:56:34
[SPEAKER_06]: Glad this is that weapons is an Oscar nominated film.
1:56:38
[SPEAKER_06]: This is Madigan's second nomination 40 years after her first nomination for twice in a lifetime.
1:56:45
[SPEAKER_06]: I just have to say that also, I don't think
1:56:49
[SPEAKER_06]: I mean, I don't have the stats on this, but I don't think the villains are often nominated like this, you know, where she kind of plays a monster.
1:56:57
[SPEAKER_03]: Interesting.
1:56:58
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
1:56:58
[SPEAKER_03]: Well, literally.
1:56:59
[SPEAKER_06]: although we'll talk about literally a monster in the next category, which is supporting actor, where the nominees are Benicio del Toro and Sean Penn, both for one battle after another.
1:57:11
[SPEAKER_06]: Jacob Alori for Frankenstein, Delroy Lindo for sinners and Stellan Scar's guard for sentimental value and another tough category.
1:57:21
[SPEAKER_06]: It's a tough car.
1:57:22
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.
1:57:22
[SPEAKER_06]: Jacob Alert, he has won at least one pre-curse or very worthy performance, but although I kind of think it's probably between beneath sealed El Toro, unless he and Sean Plains split it again, and Stellan Scar's guard going into the season.
1:57:37
[SPEAKER_06]: I said to you, Stellan Scar's guard, what's going to win this award?
1:57:40
[SPEAKER_06]: We'll see.
1:57:41
[SPEAKER_06]: We'll see.
1:57:42
[SPEAKER_03]: It's a tough one.
1:57:43
[SPEAKER_06]: His first Oscar nomination.
1:57:45
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, that's really interesting.
1:57:46
[SPEAKER_03]: And so there's merit there.
1:57:48
[SPEAKER_03]: Sean Penn's performance in one battle is extraordinary, no question.
1:57:53
[SPEAKER_03]: But then Del Roy Lindo, like you're like, oh my god, he's such a journeyman actor.
1:57:57
[SPEAKER_03]: He's just been in so many things and I know people are talking about his performance at five bloods and he's just been such a fixture and a wonderful, wonderful actor and I'd love to see him see it.
1:58:09
[SPEAKER_03]: Jacob O'Leardy, I don't know very well, but then I loved Vinicio del Toro in one battle, but he said he was such a minor thing and he's kind of playing himself in a way.
1:58:24
[SPEAKER_06]: but here's the thing is like the supporting categories are famous for category fraud like spell and scars guard is only in this film four minutes less than lead actress renata rites for like he if I look at that movie on like spell and scars guard is a lead of this movie but here he is in support it is so strange yeah against jigger lordy also yeah right yeah i mean here he is doing a best actor performance against
1:58:52
[SPEAKER_03]: true, you know, like Delroy Lindo as a supporter, right?
1:58:57
[SPEAKER_02]: Right.
1:58:57
[SPEAKER_03]: It's clear.
1:58:58
[SPEAKER_03]: So anyway, yeah.
1:59:01
[SPEAKER_03]: Again, yeah, more interesting on the supporting side than the than the means so.
1:59:06
[SPEAKER_06]: And there were some it was there was some misses in this category, too.
1:59:09
[SPEAKER_06]: Like Paul Mescal for Hamlet was his in-rise miss Miles Caten for sinners.
1:59:15
[SPEAKER_06]: And that was interesting.
1:59:16
[SPEAKER_06]: You talked to all the generational thing in here.
1:59:18
[SPEAKER_06]: we see Lindo gets like agents out and it's sort of like, you know, when we return to the first movie.
1:59:24
[SPEAKER_06]: Same with the chasin finity in the actress race.
1:59:27
[SPEAKER_06]: Right.
1:59:28
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, and Jack O'Connell for sinners might have been in the conversation in other years.
1:59:33
[SPEAKER_06]: Adam Sandler was definitely in the conversation for Jay Kelly, but Jay Kelly just didn't have the legs.
1:59:39
[SPEAKER_06]: You saw it too, you said?
1:59:40
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
1:59:41
[SPEAKER_03]: It was fine.
1:59:41
[SPEAKER_03]: I would watch it at home and it was like one of our Friday night.
1:59:45
[SPEAKER_03]: Do you know what it was like?
1:59:47
[SPEAKER_03]: Okay.
1:59:47
[SPEAKER_03]: It was nice.
1:59:48
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
1:59:49
[SPEAKER_03]: But it wasn't.
1:59:51
[SPEAKER_03]: I didn't.
1:59:51
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't have a problem that it's not listed in the Oscars.
1:59:55
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
1:59:55
[SPEAKER_06]: I went to the movies to see it and it was because of just a comedy of errors of events like I ended up going with a friend who really instead wanted to go see wicked for good with me, but for various reasons we ended up going to see Jay Kelly instead.
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[SPEAKER_06]: And she and we ended up going to the theater and town that does not have the best screen and everything.
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[SPEAKER_06]: So that's the any final thoughts in the acting nominations overall or any of the nominations overall.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, just that interesting that the supporting is more, you know, more interesting in a lot of ways than the leads.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So, but they're at least a, at least with the, with all of them.
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[SPEAKER_03]: There's some interesting races to watch.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And there's generational things going on like this idea that is this the last chance for a particular actor to get something where is this the first chance that is going to be a miss until they get leader on, you know, in the young career.
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[SPEAKER_03]: There's, I know that there's like a,
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[SPEAKER_03]: weird little thing where you can be real hot in the young part of your career and then right you can do great stuff in the middle but no Oscars until you get later and so it's uh it is an interesting topography this year I guess you say.
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[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, this was definitely, I think this was one of the most surprising batches of Oscar nominations.
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[SPEAKER_06]: It was genuinely fun to watch live.
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[SPEAKER_06]: So cool.
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[SPEAKER_06]: This, yeah, I'm very excited to see this place out and excited to talk about all this.
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[SPEAKER_06]: The Oscars air themselves on March 15th, 7 p.m. Eastern time in the U.S. that'll be again on ABC or Hulu.
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[SPEAKER_06]: They have it through
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[SPEAKER_06]: after that's going to switch to YouTube.
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[SPEAKER_06]: So for now, though, international viewers like myself, you'll just need to check their website to see where it is airing in your country.
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[SPEAKER_06]: And what, undoubtedly, hour of the night?
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, and what weirdness that you have to contour your viewing and subscription habits to make it work.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I really
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[SPEAKER_03]: You know, whatever YouTube is such a beast in terms of the streaming world and content world, but in terms of just making it simply available for people.
2:02:21
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And to, if you want to talk about getting people enrolled in the idea of Oscars and you want to reach generationally, you want to open up the new market, you got to make it available for people to watch without going through.
2:02:35
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, I have to register on my thing to get my local station cable thing.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It's just like, oh my god, it's so intriguing.
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[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, because there is some big glitchiness with Hulu last year.
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[SPEAKER_06]: Hopefully, they've worked their shit out this year.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, right.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So anyway, okay.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Well, that that's kind of cool.
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[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_06]: So for the rest of the series, I'm still figuring out the order of things exactly still planning when the recordings will be.
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[SPEAKER_06]: But the plan is there's going to be at first one episode per week, there's seven weeks this year, woohoo between nominations and the
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[SPEAKER_06]: one for week at first and then two as we get closer.
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[SPEAKER_06]: So the next one is going to be the three shorts categories with Brandon from shortstick podcasts.
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[SPEAKER_06]: So it's podcast specialized in shorts and yeah that wasn't easy one to line up because I was like he's already watched everything.
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[SPEAKER_06]: Let's get that one going.
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[SPEAKER_06]: Then I think the next one is going to be we've already planned it.
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[SPEAKER_06]: Lisa, our very own Lisa, thank you, Red Zippy.
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[SPEAKER_06]: She is going to be joining me to talk about production design costumes and hair and makeup.
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[SPEAKER_06]: And after that, there will be seven more not necessarily in this order, but just to let you know how it's going to break down.
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[SPEAKER_06]: I've broken out international animation and doc features each get their own shorter episode this year.
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[SPEAKER_06]: Just
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[SPEAKER_06]: There's going to be the music episode with Mark from Nevermind the music.
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[SPEAKER_06]: There's going to be an episode that's dedicated to cinematography, VFX, editing, and sound together with someone who works in the industry.
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[SPEAKER_06]: There's going to be the four acting.
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[SPEAKER_06]: Not categories together with casting is going to be one of the last ones and one of the other last ones is directing with the two screenplay categories and then finally after the ceremony you and I will get back together to react to the ceremony and do our best picture rankings looking forward to it.
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[SPEAKER_06]: So check the show notes for more information about all of that in links to the Oscar-nominated films we've already covered in the public feed that would be sinners, one battle after another Frankenstein and weapons and also in my shorts for Laura Hounds episode I covered five of the nominated shorts to people exchanging saliva Jane Austen's period drama The Singers
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[SPEAKER_06]: So you can check that out as well.
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[SPEAKER_06]: Subscribers, you have access to that light and international film festival that I mentioned where we talked about sentimental value.
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[SPEAKER_06]: If I had legs, I would kick you and animation nominee Arco.
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[SPEAKER_06]: And also, yeah, we've talked about some more of these films as I've watched them in a bunch of our second breakfast episodes.
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[SPEAKER_06]: So you have a lot to dig through if you were not through our back catalog.
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[SPEAKER_06]: I am also going to do two extra solo apps one week before the spirits which the spirit ceremonies February 15th the Monday before that I'm aiming for I'll do an episode breaking down the categories and he races there and then a week later one week before the bath does whose ceremony is February 22nd.
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[SPEAKER_06]: And we're also going to be doing more live watch threads for these and for the actor awards March 1st on Discord.
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[SPEAKER_06]: So check out our Discord for that.
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[SPEAKER_06]: And yeah, we do have an award-season channel for other discussions when tips on finding the films and those awards ceremony live chats and all that so we'll see you there.
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[SPEAKER_06]: Or send your feedback to lorhounds at the lorhounds.com.
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[SPEAKER_06]: And what else is going on on the main feed, David?
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[SPEAKER_03]: John and I are just kind of in all of your coverage plans.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It's an incredible amount of work, but I know it's a passion project for you.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So I think it's just a great addition to our coverage and our lineup for Laura Hounds in general really rounds us out in a lot of ways.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So Kudos, and I'm excited to hear all the voices that you're bringing in for all the different aspects of it.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_03]: on the other old Laura Hound stuff, John and I are doing vibes checks on the pit.
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[SPEAKER_03]: We're not doing a deep analytical things but we're doing more of a reaction and we've got night as a seven kingdoms that is our big one right now and we're doing.
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[SPEAKER_03]: there's a three episode break across two different podcasts.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So make sure that you're subscribed to properly Howard movie review.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Go to the link in the show notes and make sure you or just search properly Howard because on Anthony's feed, he's going to have the feedback, which is on Fridays, him and Steve mostly, and then the instant takes are the incident reactions
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[SPEAKER_03]: And I know this is a show a series of books that are very close to your heart as well, Alicia.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So I really enjoyed the first episode and I'm really looking forward to episode two.
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[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, yeah, and there's going to be some, there have been in our going to continue to be some one off episodes.
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[SPEAKER_06]: Check out the recently released MCU versus DCU preview for any 26, which on and I. Yeah, there's also a special VFX interview with Lee Romero coming out.
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[SPEAKER_06]: I think on Monday, I think.
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[SPEAKER_06]: There's going to be a one shot for Wonderman, Wonderman itself releases a 27th we'll see.
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[SPEAKER_06]: We're still scheduling when we'll cover it.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Is that a drop?
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[SPEAKER_03]: Is that a season drop?
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[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, it's a binge drop unfortunately, but we're super excited for it.
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[SPEAKER_06]: It looks so good with the marketing.
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[SPEAKER_06]: It looks so funny, a parody of, you know, making these types of superhero films.
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[SPEAKER_06]: And Marilyn Jean and I are going to do Percy Jackson one shot as well.
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[SPEAKER_06]: And Jean Riley and I are going to get back together to do the Bone Temple, the new 28 years later movie.
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[SPEAKER_03]: We've got a busy slate.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, what about our affiliates?
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[SPEAKER_03]: Uh, what is going on with our affiliates?
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[SPEAKER_03]: I believe that radio active richer radio active richer radio active ramblers are still covering fallout when and as they can and yeah Anthony is on the on the pit.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I was actually talking with Marilyn about rings and ritual and night to the seven kingdoms.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Sorry.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Did I say what did I say the bit.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, sorry I was like looking at my brain on the pit.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, yeah, exactly my my brain's cross-wired here a little bit But I was talking with Marilyn a little bit on the side about
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[SPEAKER_03]: what she could do with the rings and rituals in more generalized.
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[SPEAKER_06]: It means they're happy.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Thank you all so very much for your ongoing support we couldn't do without you.
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[SPEAKER_06]: And thank you, David, for joining me for this discussion.
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[SPEAKER_06]: Thank you, everyone at home for listening along.
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[SPEAKER_06]: We look forward to talking more Oscars as the season continues.
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[SPEAKER_06]: More films as the season continues.
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[SPEAKER_06]: That's what it's really about.
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[SPEAKER_06]: It's about the film, it's not the awards.
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[SPEAKER_06]: All right, thank you.
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