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Tyler Shough Year 2 Outlook: What the Saints QB Must Improve to Succeed · AFR Saints

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  Speaker 2: He certainly outkicked my expectations, and in addition to those
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  Speaker 2: like middle of the field stats, I thought, anecdotally I've
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  Speaker 2: said this a lot about Shucks rookie year, he would
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  Speaker 2: be in the gun throw the ball from the far
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  Speaker 2: hash outside the numbers as well, like I thought he'd
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  Speaker 2: I thought he did really well at that too, So
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  Speaker 2: like activating all levels. Not gonna say it was perfect
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  Speaker 2: by any means. I'm not trying to get two out
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  Speaker 2: of over my skis here on him, but I thought
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  Speaker 2: he checked a lot of boxes, looked really good in
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  Speaker 2: a well designed offense, and they only got better on
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  Speaker 2: paper from this year to last year. So like right now,
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  Speaker 2: he is the guy I would have the most confidence
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  Speaker 2: in going into year two out of these rookie quarterbacks
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  Speaker 2: from twenty twenty five. So that's Matt Harmon from the
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  Speaker 2: Football three to zero one podcast. He does the podcast
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  Speaker 2: with Nate Tice, who's a former Wisconsin quarterback, former NFL coach, scout,
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  Speaker 2: all that sort of stuff part of Yahoo, by the way,
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  Speaker 2: Yahoo puts on the Football three zero one podcast, And
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  Speaker 2: so it was interesting because he was they were discussing
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  Speaker 2: the twenty twenty five rookies, the quarterbacks are going into
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  Speaker 2: year two and who they have the most confidence. And
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  Speaker 2: remember you're talking about a draft class that includes cam
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  Speaker 2: Ward that there were thirteen quarterbacks drafted in twenty twenty five.
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  Speaker 3: Cam Ward went number one overall.
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  Speaker 1: Jackson Dart was the other first rounder who went to
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  Speaker 1: New York with the Giants at twenty five. Then Tyler
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  Speaker 1: Schuck was the third quarterback taken. He was the first
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  Speaker 1: quarterback in round two. Jalen Milroe went to the Seahawks.
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  Speaker 1: Still in Gabriel went to the Browns Schadure. It was
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  Speaker 1: interesting because Gabriel went ninety four and then Shadur went
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  Speaker 1: fifty picks later at one forty four, both to Cleveland.
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  Speaker 1: Kyle mccordy of Syracuse was picked one't eighty one. There
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  Speaker 1: was Will Howard of Ohio State who went to the Steelers.
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  Speaker 1: Riley Leonard went to the Colts. The Texans picked Graham Mertz.
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  Speaker 1: Tommy Mallott from Montana State went to the Raiders with
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  Speaker 1: pick two thirteen. The Raiders also picked Cam Miller of
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  Speaker 1: North Dakota State. Curtis Rourke from Indiana went to the Niners,
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  Speaker 1: and then Quinn Ewers of Texas went to Miami.
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  Speaker 3: Of course made the team.
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  Speaker 1: So I don't know that that's not exactly a star
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  Speaker 1: started draft class obviously, at least not now as of
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  Speaker 1: the results. Now, Shadur did make a Pro Bowl, almost
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  Speaker 1: by the fault because nobody wants to playing the Pro
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  Speaker 1: Bowl anymore. But Shadur was a Pro bowler last year
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  Speaker 1: as a rookie. But Tyler Shuck a lot of it.
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  Speaker 1: Really with Shuck is the eye test because he started
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  Speaker 1: nine games and they won five of them.
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  Speaker 3: Who's five and four in his nine starts.
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  Speaker 1: And honestly, and I kind of throw up an asterisk
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  Speaker 1: on the first one because the first one was the game.
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  Speaker 1: His first start was in LA against the Rams and
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  Speaker 1: they got housed and that was just a miserable idea
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  Speaker 1: to give him his first start there you were setting
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  Speaker 1: him up for failure. So really, if you want to
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  Speaker 1: look at the next you know, the next eight starts
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  Speaker 1: where they went five and three, that's maybe a little
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  Speaker 1: more of a representative sample of Tyler Schuck. But he
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  Speaker 1: passed the eye test. Well. Anyway, Nate Tice, again former
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  Speaker 1: Wisconsin quarterback, NFL coach, scout all that sort of stuff
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  Speaker 1: on the three to one podcast, talked about what the
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  Speaker 1: Saints have built around Shuck going in year two, which
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  Speaker 1: is we've obviously had that whole conversation. It's just interesting
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  Speaker 1: to get an outside perspective on something that we're close to,
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  Speaker 1: because sometimes it's hard to see the forest through the trees.
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  Speaker 1: And let's just be honest. The Saints haven't been in
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  Speaker 1: the playoffs since the COVID year. They've been a miss
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  Speaker 1: er team, is sinking franchise with an awful cap situation.
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  Speaker 1: They haven't been interesting nationally. Nobody's talking about the Saints nationally.
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  Speaker 3: Why would they?
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  Speaker 1: So when someone outside of here talks about them, my
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  Speaker 1: intent is going to go up. Well, here's what Nate
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  Speaker 1: Tys said.
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  Speaker 4: Like I like the Saints offensive line. I like the
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  Speaker 4: weapons now they put around them. Actually no, they signed
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  Speaker 4: Etn But man, going back, I was watching, I watched
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  Speaker 4: a couple of games, not just morning and yesterday. But
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  Speaker 4: my guy Devin Neil is actually pretty tank good. So
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  Speaker 4: I'm actually pretty excited about that. But then a Lave
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  Speaker 4: the receivers they added Vele actually would be a nice
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  Speaker 4: role player for them now. He had some nice catches
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  Speaker 4: in the game my watch against Carolina as well. I'm
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  Speaker 4: not saying he's the ACE, but a Lave and Tyson
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  Speaker 4: are gonna be a great one two punch tight end.
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  Speaker 4: Adding delp like, they have a pretty cool offense. We've
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  Speaker 4: talked about many of times. Thought Kellam Moore hit a
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  Speaker 4: lot of nice buttons throughout the year, tempo, some of
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  Speaker 4: the formation stuff they used, and I think that was
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  Speaker 4: just the beginning.
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  Speaker 5: But I do think it's encouraging what they got to now.
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  Speaker 1: So some of the things that I think he hit
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  Speaker 1: on there that we will continue to talk about is
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  Speaker 1: the encouraging thing about the offense going to this year
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  Speaker 1: is that everybody kind of doesn't have to move up
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  Speaker 1: a chair.
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  Speaker 3: You mentioned Devon Vley.
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  Speaker 1: The Saints made the trade for Vela, and of course
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  Speaker 1: they traded Rashid Shahed, So you had a lave coming
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  Speaker 1: off a season where he missed half the season due
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  Speaker 1: to the concussion problems.
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  Speaker 3: They trade Rashid Shahed, and you're looking at a.
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  Speaker 1: Situation where you got Kevin Austin rolling around, You're playing
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  Speaker 1: Mason tipt In late in the season. You were asking
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  Speaker 1: Devon Velay to be a number two. Well, on this team,
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  Speaker 1: you can look and go, he's a role player and
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  Speaker 1: I like him in that role. I like Devon Vley
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  Speaker 1: as my number two. I like Alave Jordan Tyson, and
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  Speaker 1: then you know Vlea's a big body guy who's your
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  Speaker 1: number three. Maybe create a mismatch. Oh, and you also
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  Speaker 1: have a giant guy in Oscardale who you're adding to
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  Speaker 1: the room. And that's more agreeable. The way that you've
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  Speaker 1: sort of built here. You're not asking guys to be
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  Speaker 1: stars when they're role players, which is why this feels
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  Speaker 1: a little more agreeable now. Tys also talked about where
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  Speaker 1: he thinks Shuck needs to improve in year two.
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  Speaker 4: The sack rate has to improve, and that's only more
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  Speaker 4: concerning to me because that's what was an issue I
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  Speaker 4: had with him in college, was he kind of it's
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  Speaker 4: not great under pressure, and whether that's something in his
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  Speaker 4: head about being hurt before he would kind of like
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  Speaker 4: comically get rid of the ball like in weird ways.
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  Speaker 4: And he had a higher mount of throwways last year too.
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  Speaker 4: But I do think that dealing with pressure would really
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  Speaker 4: help him out. He had the highest pressure to sack
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  Speaker 4: rate among all quarterbacks in twenty twenty five, and he
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  Speaker 4: was forty third out of forty six among all rookie
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  Speaker 4: quarterbacks since twenty thirteen at pressure to sack rate.
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  Speaker 5: His stuff started folding. He kind of eyes came down
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  Speaker 5: and he kind of just like, all, I'm just gonna
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  Speaker 5: eat the sack rather maybe trying to create something.
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  Speaker 4: He becomes very much like Tua or Derek Carr under pressure,
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  Speaker 4: just like safe throwaways and checkdowns, like that's just and
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  Speaker 4: it's not bad, Like you can obviously win that way.
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  Speaker 4: Then you just have to be when you can be
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  Speaker 4: explosive and can get those big plays, you have to
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  Speaker 4: hit him because you're not kind of creating those opportunities elsewhere.
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  Speaker 1: So I completely understand that perspective, and he came.
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  Speaker 3: With the numbers.
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  Speaker 1: You also have a limited sample size, and you had
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  Speaker 1: an atrocious offensive line. You were without your starting center,
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  Speaker 1: Eric McCoy. You know Luke Fortner's playing center. You know
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  Speaker 1: your Dylan Raiden's Radin's ra Dunes at left guard, Caesar
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  Speaker 1: Ruiz at Wright.
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  Speaker 3: Who's atrocious.
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  Speaker 1: Well, now you've addressed that you have a rookie left tackle.
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  Speaker 1: Now you've got more experienced tackles, your center's back. You
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  Speaker 1: signed the best offensive garden free agency, and you still
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  Speaker 1: got Caesarizer. But I think we can objectively say that
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  Speaker 1: he's probably not going to be as pressured. And I
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  Speaker 1: would argue what you didn't need from Schuck is to
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  Speaker 1: is to panic and make the big mistake. I think
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  Speaker 1: I'd rather say, Keith the sack, live to play another day,
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  Speaker 1: throw it away, live to play another day. Now, eventually
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  Speaker 1: you're gonna have to go make plays in the face
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  Speaker 1: of pressure. But does a better offensive line help you
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  Speaker 1: improve in that respect? And one more again, this is Nate.
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  Speaker 1: He's talking about about Tyler Shuck. He did talk about
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  Speaker 1: the things he liked from Shuck in year one.
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  Speaker 4: He plays like an older rookie and I and I
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  Speaker 4: mean as a compliment, makes a lot of smart decisions.
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  Speaker 4: He's careful with the ball. He's a good athlete, throws well.
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  Speaker 5: On the move.
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  Speaker 4: Even when he was at Littleville, I thought it was
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  Speaker 4: very notable, was that he could throw on the left
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  Speaker 4: and whip his body around and make some really creative throws.
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  Speaker 4: That's not how he wins, but the fact that he
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  Speaker 4: can do it's encouraging because the boot game's very alive
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  Speaker 4: to both ways. I thought he can be selective pushing
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  Speaker 4: the ball, which I want to see more.
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  Speaker 5: Maybe next year with a little bit better receiving group.
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  Speaker 4: Maybe then we can kind of see how it looks
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  Speaker 4: with maybe more stuff down field. But that's not to
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  Speaker 4: say he's a coward or anything. I just think sometimes
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  Speaker 4: he can maybe push it. Just you know, limit testing.
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  Speaker 4: When he talked about Kimore, let me have tested a
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  Speaker 4: little bit more.
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  Speaker 1: I'll draw a cop that I don't mean as a
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  Speaker 1: as a player to player cop, but it sounds a
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  Speaker 1: lot like if you remember Jaden Daniels first year at LSU,
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  Speaker 1: that was one of the big criticisms was he wouldn't
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  Speaker 1: take the shots. He would, he just didn't put the
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  Speaker 1: ball and harm's way. But that's how LSU won. Protect
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  Speaker 1: the football, play good defense, that's kind of what Shuck
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  Speaker 1: did a year ago, although we did see him make
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  Speaker 1: very nice plays like you heard him say, you know,
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  Speaker 1: the ability to throw along to the field. Why anyway,
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  Speaker 1: better offensive line, better weapons around him, year of experience,
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  Speaker 1: How much better can he be?
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  Speaker 3: Ab'll be fascinating to see. Tyler Shuck could be one
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  Speaker 3: of the more
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  Speaker 1: Higher rising players in the entire NFL in twenty twenty
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  Speaker 1: six if he builds on the way he finished twenty
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  Speaker 1: twenty five.