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Ep. 207 - What Does It Really Mean to Take God’s Name in Vain? · The Living Waters Podcast

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Ray Comfort: You know Dennis Prager is a very nice guy.
1:07
Ray Comfort: I've been on his radio program a number of times.
1:10
Ray Comfort: It was called Religion on the Line back in the early 1990s, dennis Prager.
1:15
Ray Comfort: Dennis Prager and a lot of Christians listen to what he says.
1:18
Ray Comfort: He's not a Christian, he's Jewish.
1:19
Ray Comfort: He doesn't quote Jesus when he talks about blasphemy.
1:23
Ray Comfort: He doesn't quote Jesus when he talks about adultery.
1:25
Ray Comfort: He speaks of adultery and Christians take notice because he's so eloquent and such a nice guy.
1:30
Ray Comfort: He says adultery is wrong because it's detrimental to society.
1:36
Ray Comfort: That's not why it's wrong.
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Ray Comfort: It's wrong because it's wrong in God's eyes.
1:40
Ray Comfort: It's to sin against God.
1:41
Ray Comfort: David didn't say have mercy upon me, oh God, because I've done something that's detrimental to society.
1:47
Ray Comfort: He says I've sinned against you and Nathan when he said you've sinned against God.
1:52
Ray Comfort: So, and it's the same with blasphemy.
1:54
Ray Comfort: He says the greatest sin is to live in hypocrisy and it won't be forgiven.
1:59
Ray Comfort: And that's what the Third Commandment addresses you should not take the name of the Lord, your God, in vain.
2:04
Ray Comfort: That doesn't mean to use God's name as a curse word.
2:06
Ray Comfort: And he does it and he makes light of it and he tells Christians it's not blasphemy to say hit your thumb with a hammer and say the name of Jesus or God or whatever, and Christians take notice of what he says.
2:17
Ray Comfort: And he says that sin of living in hypocrisy will not be forgiven.
2:21
Ray Comfort: It says it in the Third Commandment the Lord will not hold him guiltless who takes his name in vain.
2:25
Ray Comfort: Jesus forgave blasphemers.
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Ray Comfort: Lord was a blasphemer.
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Ray Comfort: He was forgiven and we're forgiven in Christ.
2:32
Ray Comfort: But Dennis Prager doesn't mention that.
2:34
Ray Comfort: But he's.
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Ray Comfort: He had a lot of people quoting Christians, quoting Dennis Prager and saying Ray, you've got it wrong using God's name, and vain is not using this curse word, it's living a life of hypocrisy and discrediting God's name.
2:45
Ray Comfort: And they've got that, it seems, from Dennis Prager.
2:53
Emeal Zwayne: This is Living Waters Breaking News.
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Emeal Zwayne: A strange sight was widely reported by multiple citizens of the European Union.
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Emeal Zwayne: Eyewitnesses claim that a little mustached Kiwi man with chocolate smudges all over his face was found stuffed in the overhead luggage compartment of a railway train.
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Emeal Zwayne: However, upon further investigation, authorities discovered that the exhausted little fellow who allegedly kept yelling yep right, yep, yep, yep, yep, yep, right when apprehended, had actually stuffed himself in the overhead luggage compartment and was enjoying a much needed snooze-a-roo.
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Emeal Zwayne: After being admitted as a permanent resident of the renowned Cuckoo Kiwi Club psychiatric ward, the down under bloke allegedly exclaimed I miss sleeping in the hole in my bed and this was the next best thing I could find, You're crazy, I'm so crazy.
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Emeal Zwayne: See this would be ridiculous if it wasn't true.
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Emeal Zwayne: But, ray, tell the people what you did.
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Ray Comfort: Tell the people, tell the people, tell the overhead whatever you call it for luggage and slept because it was perfect.
3:55
Ray Comfort: It was made for comfort.
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Ray Comfort: You couldn't do that on the seating and the train We'd be like.
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Ray Comfort: Why don't we go on 10 trains?
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Emeal Zwayne: I would say 90% of people physically can't do that on the planet.
4:04
Ray Comfort: Well, I could, so I did.
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Emeal Zwayne: Train.
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Emeal Zwayne: Oscar, you weren't with us in the train.
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Emeal Zwayne: The luggage he slept up top.
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Mark Spence: You have to be under five feet and weigh less than 75 pounds.
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Mark Spence: So there's no problem, and Ray needed a ladder.
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Emeal Zwayne: Well, we have a picture of it for proof too.
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Emeal Zwayne: Someone took a picture.
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Emeal Zwayne: Look at it.
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Emeal Zwayne: It's right here.
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Oscar Navarro: Scotty.
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Emeal Zwayne: Carol probably has that picture somewhere.
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Emeal Zwayne: I remember that.
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Emeal Zwayne: You need to get that to us and he did it, and he slept on a train.
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Ray Comfort: Look, the Japanese do that sort of thing all the time in planes and trains and they just stuff them in.
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Emeal Zwayne: Don't the Japanese have these little micro like they're like?
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Ray Comfort: adult compartments.
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Ray Comfort: It's because they're little people and they can do that.
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Emeal Zwayne: They just sleep in there.
4:45
Ray Comfort: They got them wise.
4:46
Ray Comfort: So I led the way for the Japanese Wise, or wide Wise.
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Ray Comfort: I led the way for the Japanese.
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Emeal Zwayne: They saw it.
4:52
Emeal Zwayne: They saw it.
4:53
Emeal Zwayne: It was you that did it.
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Ray Comfort: Yes.
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Emeal Zwayne: Now, Ray, why did you have chocolate smudges on your face in the article?
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Ray Comfort: Because we ate chocolate everywhere we went, because every we had all these people that love our ministry meet us in Europe and they.
5:04
Ray Comfort: I don't know why they brought us chocolate, but they did.
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Ray Comfort: Maybe we asked for it Seriously.
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Emeal Zwayne: That ain't something a bad thing, Mark.
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Emeal Zwayne: We were kind of on like chocolate overdose at some time and loving it.
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Mark Spence: I absolutely love to raise point because America is terrible at making chocolate, oh, absolutely.
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Mark Spence: Something called Hershey is chocolate, that's actually.
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Emeal Zwayne: You know I have to back to differ.
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Emeal Zwayne: It's funny you say that, though, mark, because yesterday I was eating a Kit Kat and I thought we made good chocolate.
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Emeal Zwayne: What oh?
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Mark Spence: no, it tastes like a plastic.
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Emeal Zwayne: You know like.
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Mark Spence: Japan has like 150 different flavors of Kit Kat Stop.
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Ray Comfort: I can't believe that Kat Lovers haven't complained about that.
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Ray Comfort: The what, kat Lovers?
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Ray Comfort: I'm eating a.
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Emeal Zwayne: Kit Kat.
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Oscar Navarro: I got to go to a chocolate factory in Switzerland.
5:45
Mark Spence: It was made of Wanka.
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Oscar Navarro: So good.
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Emeal Zwayne: Yeah, mr Wanka, do they have potato flavored?
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Emeal Zwayne: Kit Kats?
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Mark Spence: I don't know, I think they do.
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Mark Spence: Actually, I think they have like taro.
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Oscar Navarro: You know, my favorite chocolate candy thing is is deep fried Oreo.
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Oscar Navarro: Have you ever had deep?
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Emeal Zwayne: fried Oreo.
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Emeal Zwayne: People keep talking about this.
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Emeal Zwayne: I don't think I have.
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Oscar Navarro: It's a game changer.
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Emeal Zwayne: Whatever?
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Ray Comfort: man, I'm telling you Anything deep fried is a game changer.
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Emeal Zwayne: Okay, but why is this, especially from the South, rave about fried stuff.
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Emeal Zwayne: Yeah, because it's fried, give me a break.
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Oscar Navarro: Break me off a piece of that Kit Kat bar.
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Emeal Zwayne: That was good, oscar so.
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Emeal Zwayne: Switzerland, I'm planning Germany have the best chocolates.
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Oscar Navarro: Yeah, switzerland, for sure Switzerland.
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Ray Comfort: Hang on.
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Ray Comfort: Belgium was close too.
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Emeal Zwayne: Oh yeah.
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Oscar Navarro: Belgium has good.
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Oscar Navarro: Oh, that's a waffle.
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Emeal Zwayne: Yeah, okay, I got to say, though In fact, I was telling you this in the airport yesterday, mark.
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Emeal Zwayne: By the way, friends, I'm jet-lagged, obviously.
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Emeal Zwayne: C's, c's they're always jiggling.
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Emeal Zwayne: C's candy is magical.
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Emeal Zwayne: No way, wow.
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Emeal Zwayne: I'm sorry, I couldn't believe what he said.
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Emeal Zwayne: Okay, oh wait, oh, you were like mocking me actually, yeah, when I told you that yesterday.
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Emeal Zwayne: You know that.
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Oscar Navarro: C.
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Oscar Navarro: I didn't want to say that loud.
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Oscar Navarro: There's a reason why they give it away for free out front.
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Emeal Zwayne: Okay, hey, mark, you bought a gift for someone while we were at the airport.
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Emeal Zwayne: What did you buy them?
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Mark Spence: C's candy, because I love them I see.
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Ray Comfort: C's candy is owned by Weight Watch, as you know, makes sense.
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Emeal Zwayne: That's how they keep their clientele rolling in, rolling in.
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Emeal Zwayne: Wow, I love them.
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Emeal Zwayne: You guys are crazy.
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Emeal Zwayne: C's candy, in my opinion, is the best chocolate on the planet Okay, I'm sorry, the best Next to M&Ms.
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Ray Comfort: The best Swiss chocolates no.
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Mark Spence: Guys, this reminds me I have a gift for all of you, for one of our listeners, oh, oh Do you and.
7:27
Oscar Navarro: I bring it in a bag.
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Oscar Navarro: Is it ticking?
7:29
Mark Spence: It's not, it's because we're talking about food.
7:31
Mark Spence: It deals with food.
7:32
Mark Spence: Okay, why have we not been best friends since kindergarten?
7:37
Mark Spence: Well that is Matt and Amy Holmes, and my daughter is dating.
7:44
Mark Spence: I just noticed that you made a mustache to my face on the mug On Oscar's mug.
7:52
Oscar Navarro: I was waiting for someone.
7:53
Mark Spence: Let me see.
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Mark Spence: And he blacked out one of Ezy's teeth.
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Emeal Zwayne: What are you doing there?
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Ray Comfort: I just put it on my mug like that, not for free.
8:07
Emeal Zwayne: Wait, what did you do to Mark?
8:08
Emeal Zwayne: Wait, that looks normal.
8:09
Emeal Zwayne: Give me a coat.
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Emeal Zwayne: I'm a Foo man, chew.
8:13
Mark Spence: See how easy it is for us to get a.
8:15
Ray Comfort: Just get on with it, I'm Mark.
8:16
Emeal Zwayne: I'm excited here.
8:18
Mark Spence: Give me my gift.
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Mark Spence: So, matt and Amy Holmes, they listen to the podcast and they have just amazing kids, absolutely.
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Mark Spence: In fact their daughter Lauren is dating a young man named Matthias who checks our water.
8:31
Mark Spence: He works for the Belflower Water Company.
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Mark Spence: He always comes by, he listens to the podcast, are you serious?
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Mark Spence: Yeah, I am Dead serious.
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Mark Spence: He wants to come in and check things out and I want to be able to do that, but Matt and Amy and your daughter is dating their son.
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Emeal Zwayne: You didn't say that.
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Mark Spence: Yes, Made some Fig Jam.
8:47
Mark Spence: What Dude let's go.
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Mark Spence: I love Fig Jam.
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Emeal Zwayne: Give it to me that's really good, and made it Let the knees are fake for now.
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Emeal Zwayne: You know what I'm going to take that right now.
8:58
Emeal Zwayne: That's a good one.
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Emeal Zwayne: The podcast I will be the first.
9:01
Ray Comfort: Daisy, you're going to have to lie.
9:02
Ray Comfort: This is going to be a program that lie.
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Emeal Zwayne: I could tell it's good.
9:05
Emeal Zwayne: Let's see here.
9:07
Ray Comfort: You're going to use your finger, yeah, good sound.
9:08
Ray Comfort: Easy to be back in a few moments.
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Ray Comfort: Wow, this is good, this is homemade.
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Mark Spence: That is homemade, yeah, made so much so pumped, thank you guys.
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Mark Spence: That's parents' garden.
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Oscar Navarro: Oh, thank you guys.
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Oscar Navarro: This is really good.
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Oscar Navarro: I love Fig and I love Jam.
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Oscar Navarro: Put it together and it's Fig Jam.
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Emeal Zwayne: Fig Jam.
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Emeal Zwayne: Yeah, you know what's really good Teen, teen, teen is how you say, fig in Arabic.
9:36
Oscar Navarro: Here I'll give you a hack Take sourdough bread, toast it, throw a cottage cheese on it and then your fig jam.
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Oscar Navarro: Okay.
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Mark Spence: I'm not going to lie, that actually sounds pretty good.
9:46
Mark Spence: It's amazing.
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Emeal Zwayne: That is nice.
9:48
Emeal Zwayne: Why do you guys eat weird things?
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Emeal Zwayne: I?
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Mark Spence: don't eat anything.
9:50
Mark Spence: It says the guy who eats the weirdest things in the world Raw liver Arabs eat it.
9:55
Ray Comfort: Changing the subject one of our chickens identified as a rooster.
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Emeal Zwayne: It's happening everywhere.
10:02
Emeal Zwayne: It happens on a.
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Ray Comfort: Saturday morning I thought he's got a sore throat.
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Ray Comfort: Oh, she's got a sore throat, but it was proper.
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Ray Comfort: Cockadoodle-doo Roosters are illegal in bellflower, which meant we had to get out the chopping block.
10:12
Ray Comfort: I'm not kidding, Wait, stop it.
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Ray Comfort: And then, when we checked the internet, we thought yeah, that's a rooster.
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Ray Comfort: What do you mean?
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Ray Comfort: A chopping block?
10:18
Ray Comfort: You killed the chicken.
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Ray Comfort: No, you have to kill chickens if you can't get rid of them.
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Ray Comfort: And I couldn't get rid of these roosters.
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Ray Comfort: Nobody wants a rooster.
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Ray Comfort: It's not a rooster.
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Emeal Zwayne: It's a chicken with a sore throat.
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Ray Comfort: No, it's a rooster.
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Ray Comfort: We looked up all the signs and they've got flamboyant clothing.
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Ray Comfort: They've got these long feathers.
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Emeal Zwayne: Oh wait, you mean, you bought a chicken?
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Emeal Zwayne: It turned out to be a chicken.
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Emeal Zwayne: No, no, I didn't buy it.
10:37
Ray Comfort: Diane and Jeff gave us five chickens and said hope, none of them are roosters.
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Ray Comfort: Three of the five were roosters.
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Ray Comfort: No way Three of them.
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Ray Comfort: And I thought because I said can ham, I'd love to donate roosters to your zoo.
10:48
Ray Comfort: He said we'll go to a big lizard and they'll eat them.
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Ray Comfort: They sent a picture of the big lizard and I checked around and nobody wants a rooster because the silly things don't know when to stop growing.
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Emeal Zwayne: Yeah, so wait, you had three roosters.
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Ray Comfort: Three roosters What'd you do with them?
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Ray Comfort: I thought I had to kill them.
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Ray Comfort: I did think Did you kill them?
11:03
Ray Comfort: No, hang on, I haven't finished the story.
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Ray Comfort: I did feel tempted because of the president of NOAA opening the window of his ark and letting birds out, of just driving the freeway with my windows down, and if the chickens or roosters got out wouldn't be my fault.
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Ray Comfort: Then I thought it could cause problems on the freeway and it wouldn't be good for the ministry if I was dragged through court.
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Ray Comfort: So we did a search and found this lady in an adjacent city who saves condemned roosters.
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Ray Comfort: She's got 200 of them, condemned roosters.
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Ray Comfort: Stop it, I'm not kidding.
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Ray Comfort: Her name was Deb.
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Ray Comfort: She was foul-mouthed when I talked to her on the phone not play on words and she said and I was talking to her, she was, as I said, foul-mouthed.
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Ray Comfort: And I said we're going to YouTube channel.
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Ray Comfort: You like YouTube?
11:43
Ray Comfort: She's yeah.
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Ray Comfort: So she watched Crazy Bible and I got a commentary on the whole movie via text while she was watching it.
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Ray Comfort: She got your rooster.
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Ray Comfort: No, she hadn't got him yet.
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Ray Comfort: I haven't even made an appointment with her.
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Ray Comfort: So she watched Crazy Bible and kept texting me how, what was going on in it and we made an appointment.
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Ray Comfort: Went there yesterday, sue and I, with our three chickens and a box in the car, and it turned out her assistant watches our YouTube channel and she's got an evidence by.
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Emeal Zwayne: No way, no way.
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Ray Comfort: And so I got to witness to her on camera, with all chickens or roosters in the background crawling through the whole thing.
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Emeal Zwayne: Are we going to have to bleep 90% of the interview?
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Ray Comfort: No, no, it's fine.
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Ray Comfort: She didn't cuss at all and ended up praying with her and gave her an evidence Bible and all ended up happy.
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Ray Comfort: That's amazing, but the whole Her sanctuary really is like the kingdom of God.
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Emeal Zwayne: We have neighbors.
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Ray Comfort: What's that?
12:29
Ray Comfort: I haven't finished the analogy.
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Ray Comfort: Oh, go ahead.
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Ray Comfort: Her rooster sanctuary is like the kingdom of God.
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Ray Comfort: We were proud roosters crowing our own righteousness, condemned to the chopping block that the Lord took us under the shadow of his wings.
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Emeal Zwayne: Amen, wait, but does she have neighbors?
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Ray Comfort: Yeah Well, it's in an area that's.
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Emeal Zwayne: It's like 200 roosters every morning it's in an area.
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Ray Comfort: I mean, she doesn't have a lamb clock either.
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Oscar Navarro: She has 200 of them.
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Ray Comfort: Yeah, 200 lamb clocks.
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Ray Comfort: Why did she can cross the road To get to the other side.
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Ray Comfort: I just made that up Because, anyway, I was able, in the witnessing session, to talk about one.
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Ray Comfort: Rooster was honored in scripture where it had the job of awakening Peter to his father.
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Ray Comfort: So roosters are good because they like our conscience when they speak to us.
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Ray Comfort: We should listen to them and wake up and awaken to righteousness.
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Ray Comfort: So you abandoned your roosters Ray.
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Emeal Zwayne: Oh yeah, well it was either the chopping block.
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Ray Comfort: We were happy to give them away because I thought one of you guys would have to kill them.
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Emeal Zwayne: Did you take them?
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Ray Comfort: Did you take them to her In a box?
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Ray Comfort: Wow, did they taste like chicken?
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Ray Comfort: Yeah, they were really pretty bird.
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Ray Comfort: Seriously, they're nicer looking than the average chicken, but they were still yet small, right?
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Ray Comfort: No, no, five months, which is like 19, 20 weeks.
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Ray Comfort: They should have crowed earlier than what they did.
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Ray Comfort: They didn't recognize them as roosters before this.
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Ray Comfort: They can't until they grow up.
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Ray Comfort: That's why Jeff and Diane said we hope they're not roosters, but three of them out of five Right Roosters.
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Emeal Zwayne: Cock-a-doodle-doo.
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Emeal Zwayne: All right friends.
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Emeal Zwayne: Yeah, this is going to be fitting today, friends, especially because of the topic we're dealing with, which you'll hear about in a moment.
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Emeal Zwayne: All right.
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Emeal Zwayne: What does it really mean to take God's name in vain?
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Emeal Zwayne: I'm glad we're dealing with this, guys, because let me just say this at the outset I have been perplexed and somewhat shocked and deeply grieved by how often I've heard professing Christians and I do have to say, some legitimate Christians use God's name in vain.
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Emeal Zwayne: No-transcript.
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Emeal Zwayne: It happened recently and in fact it was the name of Jesus and this was.
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Emeal Zwayne: This was not like a person who's disconnected from the church, like this person knows and loves the Lord.
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Emeal Zwayne: Why did Mark do it?
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Emeal Zwayne: That's why we're having this podcast today, for a true how do you?
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Oscar Navarro: just because you're bringing it up.
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Oscar Navarro: What do you do in that situation?
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Oscar Navarro: Did you?
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Oscar Navarro: How did you?
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Emeal Zwayne: Yeah, and how you responded.
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Emeal Zwayne: Well, but this was a context where it I couldn't say anything at that moment.
16:53
Emeal Zwayne: But it has happened.
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Emeal Zwayne: I mean rain, I there was one time we were out to lunch with someone again, a notable respect of Christian person who's in leadership and and they kept blaspheming the Lord's name and we talked to them, you know, and I'm trying to figure out what that dynamic is.
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Emeal Zwayne: What's behind that Is it?
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Emeal Zwayne: Is it just they don't know, they don't realize.
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Emeal Zwayne: I'm saying these people love the Lord, they're serving the Lord, they're preaching the gospel, they're living, they know Christ, they're born again, but uh, but, but it happens.
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Emeal Zwayne: Um, we'll, we'll visit that a little more as the program progresses.
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Emeal Zwayne: But, ray, that blasphemy is serious and it's abundant.
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Emeal Zwayne: You often talk about how Not Not many other names are used in blasphemy.
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Ray Comfort: Not many, I can't think of any.
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Ray Comfort: You know, uh, uh, the name of Jesus is used in blasphemy, the name of Jesus Christ.
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Ray Comfort: When you want it to even stronger, and if you want it to be even stronger, you throw a cuss word in between Jesus and Christ.
17:50
Ray Comfort: No, and it's just horrific.
17:52
Ray Comfort: And they don't even think.
17:53
Ray Comfort: Why are you doing that?
17:55
Ray Comfort: No, why don't?
17:56
Ray Comfort: Why don't you take the name of an evil person and use it as a cuss word, but you take the name that's been given above all names.
18:01
Ray Comfort: The Bible says God has honored Jesus with a name above all names, and you take it and use it in place of a cuss word.
18:08
Ray Comfort: You know, dennis Prager is a very nice guy.
18:11
Ray Comfort: I've been on his radio program a number of times.
18:14
Ray Comfort: It was called religion on the line back in the early 1990s.
18:18
Ray Comfort: Dennis Prager, dennis Prager, yeah, and a lot of Christians Listen to what he says.
18:22
Ray Comfort: He's not a Christian, he's Jewish.
18:23
Ray Comfort: He doesn't quote Jesus when he talks about blasphemy.
18:27
Ray Comfort: He doesn't quote Jesus when he talks about adultery.
18:29
Ray Comfort: He speaks of adultery and and Christians take notice because he's so eloquent and such a nice guy Um, he says adultery is wrong because it's detrimental to society.
18:40
Ray Comfort: That's not why it's wrong.
18:42
Ray Comfort: It's wrong because it's wrong in God's eyes.
18:44
Ray Comfort: It's to sin against God.
18:45
Ray Comfort: David didn't say I have mercy upon me, oh God, because I've done something as detrimental to society.
18:51
Ray Comfort: He says I've sinned against you.
18:53
Ray Comfort: And Nathan, when he said you've sinned, you've sinned against God.
18:56
Ray Comfort: So, and it's the same with blasphemy.
18:58
Ray Comfort: He says the greatest sin is To live in hypocrisy and it won't be forgiven.
19:03
Ray Comfort: And that's what the third commandment addresses you should not take the name of the Lord, your God, in vain.
19:08
Ray Comfort: That doesn't mean to use God's name as a curse word.
19:10
Ray Comfort: And he does it and he makes light of it.
19:13
Ray Comfort: Yeah, and he tells Christians it's not blasphemy to say hit your thumb with a hammer and say the name of Jesus or God or whatever.
19:19
Ray Comfort: And Christians take notice of what he says.
19:21
Ray Comfort: And he says that sin, living in apocrisy, will not be forgiven.
19:25
Ray Comfort: It says it in the third commandment.
19:26
Ray Comfort: The law will not hold him guiltless who takes his name in vain.
19:29
Ray Comfort: Jesus forgave blasphemous.
19:32
Ray Comfort: Paul was a blasphemer, he was forgiven and we're forgiven in Christ.
19:36
Ray Comfort: But Dennis Prager doesn't mention that, but he's.
19:39
Ray Comfort: He had a lot of people quoting Christians, quoting Dennis Prager and saying Ray, you've got it wrong.
19:44
Ray Comfort: Using God's name and vain is not using this curse word.
19:46
Ray Comfort: It's living a life of apocrisy and discrediting God's name.
19:49
Ray Comfort: And they've got that, it seems, from Dennis Prager.
19:51
Emeal Zwayne: Yeah, and I want to explore that together and look at all facets of of that.
19:56
Emeal Zwayne: But Dennis Prager isn't he the one that that was saying pornography Isn't isn't wrong, Was it?
20:02
Mark Spence: him.
20:03
Mark Spence: Mark it was.
20:03
Mark Spence: Yeah, he was being interviewed by somebody and I think he was a Catholic guy that was talking to him.
20:09
Mark Spence: Pines of Aquinas, I think, was the guy that was talking to him.
20:12
Mark Spence: Tony's Aquinas Podcast.
20:14
Mark Spence: I could be off on who he was actually talking to, but he but he did say that and the guy stood firm and just said you are way off.
20:21
Mark Spence: Oh good terribly.
20:22
Emeal Zwayne: Yeah, that's really bizarre.
20:24
Emeal Zwayne: Yeah, you know.
20:25
Emeal Zwayne: On that note, guys, I want to get your thoughts on this.
20:27
Emeal Zwayne: Do you guys sense like there's this emerging trend where Christians are just like Almost fully accepting as though they were Christians in terms of the way they quote them and follow them, those that are friendly toward Christianity, though they're not believers like like Dennis Prager, like maybe.
20:46
Ray Comfort: Jordan.
20:47
Emeal Zwayne: Peterson, yeah, jordan Peterson.
20:49
Emeal Zwayne: Uh, his name is capes.
20:50
Oscar Navarro: All right, our other Jewish friend with the where they are, guys, I don't know where, guys with Ben Shapiro, of course.
20:57
Emeal Zwayne: Do you guys see that happening?
20:58
Emeal Zwayne: Yes, yeah, it's because they're eloquent.
21:01
Mark Spence: It's disturbing.
21:02
Mark Spence: I mean, patriotism and nationalism has Replaced Christianity in the Bible and we're listening to commentary that is Unscriptural because we're fed up with what's happening inside of our country.
21:12
Emeal Zwayne: Yeah, yeah, and again, obviously there's nothing wrong with listening to new sources and you know and and appreciating things you can Glean, but it's drifted into almost like oh, they know, god, right, you know like, oh they're, they must be and each of those guys is really likable very.
21:26
Oscar Navarro: Yeah, I like the way mark just said it, though I think that it's really and I know this isn't exactly the topic of the podcast.
21:32
Oscar Navarro: But just to reiterate what he just said, I think oftentimes we don't understand, we cannot distinguish the difference Between our patriotism, our nationalism, our positions on politics.
21:44
Oscar Navarro: We don't know the difference between that, in our faith, right, and certainly they overlap to a degree.
21:50
Oscar Navarro: But if you can't distinguish the difference, that's a problem, and I think a lot of people who quote those guys, who fervently follow those guys, often fall into that category.
21:58
Emeal Zwayne: Yeah, and and friends, I just want to encourage you to be careful again.
22:00
Emeal Zwayne: Understand me clearly.
22:02
Emeal Zwayne: I'm not saying there's anything wrong with listening those guys.
22:04
Emeal Zwayne: They have a lot of positive stuff to contribute.
22:06
Emeal Zwayne: But be careful that that you don't take what they say like scripture.
22:11
Oscar Navarro: You will set positive things.
22:12
Oscar Navarro: Oprah yeah.
22:15
Ray Comfort: At some one blesses the man who walks, not in the council of the ungodly yeah, amen, yeah amen, especially when it comes to something like that.
22:22
Mark Spence: So all right, friends, so exodus sorry good.
22:24
Emeal Zwayne: Exodus 20, verse 7.
22:26
Emeal Zwayne: You shall not take the name of the lord, your god, in vain, for the lord will not hold him guiltless who takes his name In vain.
22:35
Emeal Zwayne: And so what I wanted to do, I'll let you chime in, oscar, but you know, unless you were going in that direction.
22:41
Emeal Zwayne: But you could say what you're gonna say and we can go into this.
22:42
Emeal Zwayne: But I want to talk about first of all, the name of god.
22:46
Emeal Zwayne: What does that mean?
22:47
Emeal Zwayne: What does that represent?
22:48
Emeal Zwayne: What are we talking about?
22:49
Emeal Zwayne: Okay, the name of god.
22:50
Emeal Zwayne: What's a big deal?
22:51
Emeal Zwayne: It's a big deal, and we'll get into that.
22:53
Oscar Navarro: But, oscar, Let me jump on that real quick.
22:55
Oscar Navarro: In the sense that gods One.
22:59
Oscar Navarro: I think we look to the old testament and we look to Jewish tradition to be able to understand the way they viewed god's name.
23:05
Oscar Navarro: And, uh, there should be something to be said about the fact that they wouldn't even speak god's name in public because of the Great honor that it held.
23:14
Oscar Navarro: They wouldn't write the fullness of the name of god, they would use initials, and so there was something honoring, glorifying, good About that name.
23:24
Oscar Navarro: And I think in our day we lose a sense of that.
23:27
Oscar Navarro: Our first names, you know, get thrown away this, that and the other and we don't really think much of them.
23:32
Oscar Navarro: Our last names Sometimes hold a kind of honor.
23:35
Oscar Navarro: Certainly, in antiquity, the last name held great honor of somebody, the last theme, your last name, you would stand up for it.
23:43
Oscar Navarro: I actually think that we do get a sense of blasphemy, because it's kind of funny.
23:46
Oscar Navarro: You know people, uh, if you blaspheme the name of their favorite politician, you blaspheme the name of their favorite celebrity.
23:55
Oscar Navarro: Wouldn't you say blaspheme, even speak, speak ill of speak, ill of right?
23:58
Oscar Navarro: Uh, they will come to the defense very quickly, right?
24:01
Oscar Navarro: You cannot Question the name of people that they would honor very well.
24:07
Oscar Navarro: And yet often, when people blaspheme the name of jesus, using it as a cuss word, they they think it's much to do about nothing.
24:15
Oscar Navarro: And that's actually one of the points that I wanted to make is that the few times that I've I've heard somebody do that and I and I will remind them Of god's word on this subject often the first response is something to the effect of oh.
24:28
Oscar Navarro: When I say like I'm not really meaning anything by it.
24:31
Oscar Navarro: No, and I point them to the reality of what the scripture says to blaspheme, to take the lord's name in vein, vein is empty, fervorless, insincere, pointless.
24:45
Oscar Navarro: In other words, when you say no, it doesn't mean anything.
24:48
Oscar Navarro: That's the point exactly.
24:51
Oscar Navarro: It doesn't mean anything when it comes out of your mouth.
24:54
Mark Spence: It should mean Something when you speak the lord's name you know, I was looking up the different meticulous writing procedures that scribes would go through Before they would write or copy Different texts and I found this a couple of them to be interesting before writing the name of god, a scribe must reverently Wipe his pen and say I am writing the name of god for the holiness of his name.
25:18
Mark Spence: And then some scribes, after they would write the name and to your, they would leave out, uh, you know the, the vows.
25:24
Mark Spence: We don't know exactly right what it would it be, but after they were done writing what they would perceive to be the name of god, they would then go and cleanse themselves and then come back and continue to write.
25:35
Mark Spence: Wow.
25:36
Ray Comfort: That was a 40 day cleansing.
25:38
Mark Spence: Took a long time can be yeah, and and again it's.
25:42
Emeal Zwayne: It speaks to the fact that god's name is.
25:45
Emeal Zwayne: I mean seriously, I, I, I have this deep sense of, of just awe right now and a bit of A terror as I, as I talk about the name of god almighty, you think of the things that we're in awe of as human beings.
25:59
Emeal Zwayne: You know, we peer into what appears to us to be endless space, you know, and we try to wrap our our heads around it.
26:05
Emeal Zwayne: We talk about the billions of galaxies, the billions of stars in each galaxy, and we just, we're, we're breathless at that.
26:13
Emeal Zwayne: And you think of the God, who, who spoke all of that, and no existence whom heaven and the heaven of heavens can't contain, who spans the universe with his hand.
26:23
Emeal Zwayne: And you get guys like Dennis Prager and others, just so ignorant, to say, oh yeah, it doesn't matter, you could do it.
26:30
Emeal Zwayne: That's not what it are.
26:31
Emeal Zwayne: You kidding me?
26:32
Emeal Zwayne: You're trying to tell me that, oh yeah, don't live this way, which of course it involves how you live and we'll get into that but you, you mean to tell me that God doesn't care when you take his holy name, but the then effable, splendid, like majestic God of the universe, and just throw it around like it means nothing in the midst of of profanity.
26:54
Mark Spence: It's just, it's insanity to me yeah, movies were not like this.
26:57
Mark Spence: You know, we we back in the in the time.
26:59
Mark Spence: What is it the?
27:00
Ray Comfort: the uh hey movie ran out at half time and during the movie and said that blaspheme time changer, time changer blaspheme.
27:07
Emeal Zwayne: the name of the Lord, stop this.
27:08
Ray Comfort: Yes, the guy was taken from what the 1930s and brought up, you know, from the 1800s, 1800s, 1700s brought up 1600s, 1300s, 1300s, 1200s sold to the man in the back.
27:19
Ray Comfort: And he found himself in a movie theater enjoying a story and suddenly the name of God was blaspheme and he ran out of the theater into the lobby screaming they blaspheme the name of God.
27:30
Ray Comfort: And it was very moving.
27:32
Emeal Zwayne: Yeah, it was like, I mean that's in a movie.
27:34
Ray Comfort: Yeah, it's called time changer.
27:35
Ray Comfort: Yeah, it's a Christian movie, it's a Christian movie.
27:37
Emeal Zwayne: Oh, that makes sense and and really what the point that was being made was.
27:41
Emeal Zwayne: You know this, this would have been shocking in those days, Like it's kind of like someone just murdered this person.
27:48
Emeal Zwayne: I mean, that's like the degree that it was at like do something about it, and it's almost in a small degree.
27:54
Ray Comfort: We get that feeling when someone blasphemes the name of Jesus.
27:56
Ray Comfort: It's just like a horror beyond words.
27:58
Ray Comfort: What are you?
27:59
Emeal Zwayne: doing Right.
27:59
Emeal Zwayne: And look, god showed the severity of this at level, because 24, 16, and whoever blasphemes the name of the Lord shall surely be put to death.
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Emeal Zwayne: All the congregation shall certainly stone him, the strangers as well as him who was born in the land.
28:11
Emeal Zwayne: When he blasphemes the name of the Lord, he shall be put to death.
28:14
Emeal Zwayne: I mean, this was not some light thing.
28:18
Ray Comfort: And and so Blessed, when he's mentioned 55 times in the New Testament.
28:21
Ray Comfort: Yeah, so it's.
28:23
Ray Comfort: It's obviously a big issue.
28:25
Emeal Zwayne: Yeah, for sure, Mark.
28:26
Emeal Zwayne: Let's talk about the name of God.
28:28
Emeal Zwayne: Like when we say the name of God, what does that represent?
28:32
Mark Spence: I think, dealing with anything with God, the character of God, anything that represents God in any way she performed.
28:38
Mark Spence: This is what Ligon Duncan said in in essence to what you're asking here.
28:42
Mark Spence: He said to take up God's name in vain means any frivolous or insincere or thoughtless or unsubstantial use of his name.
28:50
Mark Spence: It might mean irreverent humor which mocks God in speech or mocks others with his name.
28:57
Mark Spence: It might be blasphemy or cursing or a broken oath, but it means more than that.
29:03
Mark Spence: It could mean professing faith in Christ and claiming to be a Christian and receiving baptism and yet walking in worldliness.
29:10
Mark Spence: So we know from this, really, that blasphemy is so much more than just using God's name.
29:16
Mark Spence: I mean, even a mute could use God's name in vain through actions, through anordinate affection or ideas and thoughts about God himself.
29:26
Mark Spence: It's attributing anything other than absolute, perfect holiness to the Holy One.
29:33
Emeal Zwayne: Yeah, and this is because we bear God's name right as Christians.
29:38
Emeal Zwayne: We are His people, we represent Him to the world.
29:41
Emeal Zwayne: And so, of course, and again, it's important to understand that, yes, it's two-sided, there is that.
29:48
Emeal Zwayne: We're going to talk about it, but make no mistake about it.
29:51
Emeal Zwayne: Using the name of the Lord flippantly, using the name of the Lord like it's a common word, that means nothing, is blasphemy.
30:00
Emeal Zwayne: It's the violation of God's commandment.
30:01
Emeal Zwayne: You have to understand that.
30:03
Emeal Zwayne: And oh, I didn't use, I didn't say you know God's name.
30:06
Emeal Zwayne: I didn't say Yahweh or Jehovah, I just said God.
30:09
Emeal Zwayne: And so what's it?
30:10
Emeal Zwayne: Okay, which God?
30:11
Emeal Zwayne: Well, any God.
30:12
Emeal Zwayne: Okay, so you're summoning the names of false deities.
30:16
Emeal Zwayne: Like, what do you mean?
30:17
Emeal Zwayne: You know?
30:18
Ray Comfort: So often I hear people say God is not His name, so it's not blasphemy.
30:21
Ray Comfort: You're wrong, right and just continually.
30:23
Ray Comfort: But if I speak ill of the governor of our state without mentioning His name, I'm speaking ill of the governor without mentioning His name because governor and Newsom are synonymous.
30:36
Emeal Zwayne: Yeah, and my question is why would you even want to do that?
30:39
Emeal Zwayne: Why, Like, is it that hard to say?
30:42
Emeal Zwayne: I'm not even going there?
30:44
Emeal Zwayne: Let's say you assume you're definitely, you know, you think you're really right.
30:48
Emeal Zwayne: Well, if there's even the slightest chance you're wrong, Like just from that perspective, that's not why you shouldn't do it.
30:53
Emeal Zwayne: But just think about it.
30:55
Emeal Zwayne: Yeah.
30:55
Mark Spence: You know, and people that use euphysm right With OAM GOS yes.
31:00
Ray Comfort: G's G's is the euphemism for.
31:02
Ray Comfort: Jesus, it's from the 1900s.
31:05
Emeal Zwayne: Yeah, and friends, look, some people may take this as come on, you're going overboard, you're extreme, whatever.
31:10
Emeal Zwayne: Yeah, yeah, fine, whatever.
31:12
Emeal Zwayne: We want to go the extra mile to guard ourselves from dishonoring our Lord in any way, shape or form as far as it relates to the way that we live.
31:22
Emeal Zwayne: This is powerful.
31:23
Emeal Zwayne: Proverbs 37 through 9 says two things I request of you deprive me not before I die.
31:28
Emeal Zwayne: Remove falsehood and lies far from me.
31:30
Emeal Zwayne: Give me neither poverty nor riches.
31:32
Emeal Zwayne: Feed me with the food allotted to me lest I be full and deny you and say who is the Lord, or lest I be poor and steal and profane the name of my God.
31:42
Emeal Zwayne: Well, so that's where blasphemy, too, would relate to the way that we live.
31:47
Emeal Zwayne: And, oscar, there's a lot of that going on, yeah absolutely.
31:50
Oscar Navarro: I'm glad we're going there as well, because, honestly, I mean, it's so easy for me to look to other people and be like, oh, that guy's using the Lord's name in vain, he needs to repent.
31:58
Oscar Navarro: But I think that the scriptures, as usual, go to a point where I then needed to turn to myself and recognize the areas of which I need to repent.
32:07
Oscar Navarro: And you bring up a great verse I'm thinking of Numbers, chapter six, in which it's a benediction.
32:15
Oscar Navarro: It says the Lord bless you and keep you.
32:16
Oscar Navarro: The Lord make his face to shine upon you and be gracious to you.
32:20
Oscar Navarro: The Lord lift up his countenance upon you and give you peace.
32:23
Oscar Navarro: And then it says and it's talking to the priests here so shall they, the priests, put my name upon the people of Israel and I will bless them.
32:35
Oscar Navarro: The name of the Lord is then put upon God's people.
32:40
Oscar Navarro: And in Romans 6 it says don't you know the meaning of your baptism?
32:45
Oscar Navarro: Don't you know that the name of Christ was placed on you?
32:51
Oscar Navarro: And so I think about that like, let me just turn.
32:54
Oscar Navarro: Let me turn the law upon myself for a minute here.
32:57
Oscar Navarro: And I think about, like all the times I go to work and I don't think of the name of the Lord.
33:01
Oscar Navarro: I think about all the times I have conversations about politics and I get caught up in the anxious age and I don't think about the name of the Lord.
33:08
Oscar Navarro: I think about all the times I come to a disagreement and I'm not considering the name of the Lord as placed upon me.
33:15
Oscar Navarro: I need to come to a place of repentance as well.
33:18
Oscar Navarro: We need to come to a place of repentance because our actions can blaspheme the name of the Lord along with our words.
33:26
Oscar Navarro: That's a yes, and yeah.
33:28
Ray Comfort: So Paul in Romans, chapter 2, speaks to the Jews.
33:30
Ray Comfort: He said because of your hypocrisy, the name of God is blasphemed among the Gentiles, because of you, and so by living in hypocrisy we can cause.
33:39
Ray Comfort: You know, that guy calls himself a Christian and he does this and that, and then they blaspheme God's name, counted as worthless because it's not worth living for.
33:48
Emeal Zwayne: Yeah, you know, I wonder if there was a distinctly noticeable mark upon us where everybody knew that we were a Christian.
33:57
Emeal Zwayne: You know, like there was some kind of mark on our forehead On seven.
34:01
Ray Comfort: seven on the forehead.
34:03
Emeal Zwayne: Yeah, that raised first tattoo is coming.
34:05
Oscar Navarro: This is the true confession.
34:06
Oscar Navarro: This is the reason why I don't put Christian bumper stickers in the back of my car.
34:10
Ray Comfort: No, we're talking about the forehead, not the car.
34:13
Emeal Zwayne: No, but seriously though I mean because I was thinking about it in this, in this vein, if a police officer was off duty but still wearing his uniform, you can be sure that he's going to behave differently in public.
34:28
Emeal Zwayne: Then he would if he wasn't wearing that uniform.
34:31
Emeal Zwayne: You know, or whatever you know, if you can relate it, a military officer or whatever.
34:35
Emeal Zwayne: They're representing something greater in themselves, it would affect their behavior.
34:40
Emeal Zwayne: I think for us as Christians, oftentimes, because there isn't as distinguishing mark on us, it's easy for us to forget we represent the name of God.
34:48
Emeal Zwayne: I think the To be in situations where we're not like thinking like you're talking about Oscar, saying like I forget, you know, I forget I bear God's name, and we need to think about that.
34:59
Emeal Zwayne: Whether people see us or not, we're the light of the world.
35:02
Oscar Navarro: I think that through our actions and our decisions we do, we should bear the name of the Lord.
35:07
Oscar Navarro: You know I think about.
35:08
Oscar Navarro: I used to work with a guy who was a professional bodybuilder.
35:12
Oscar Navarro: He's won a handful of awards, and so when he wasn't weightlifting he was in the financial industry.
35:16
Oscar Navarro: And it was so interesting to me because every where we went you know we were taking a break together we'd be walking around the hall, hallways, in the office and everywhere we went, everybody wanted to talk to him about fitness, about what he was eating, about their diet, about the last time they worked out, about how much they should be doing this and the other.
35:33
Oscar Navarro: There was something about this man's disposition that people knew what he was all about.
35:40
Oscar Navarro: Do you have a great physique?
35:41
Oscar Navarro: Oh, he was a monster.
35:43
Ray Comfort: I get some.
35:44
Ray Comfort: I get some of the things, sure yeah.
35:46
Oscar Navarro: I bet you do.
35:46
Oscar Navarro: What are you Monster?
35:47
Oscar Navarro: And so, in that same way, our life, our lives, our character, our disposition, the way we speak, the way we treat others, people should know there's something different about us and they can't help but wonder.
36:04
Oscar Navarro: But ask.
36:05
Oscar Navarro: But see the name of the Lord upon your life, yeah.
36:09
Emeal Zwayne: Well, we've talked about this before, where one of the most common mantras you'll hear unbelievers say is something to the effect of oh, I know what you Christians are like, you know, or Christians are, the are the worst, this or the worst that you know.
36:22
Emeal Zwayne: Oh, this guy has a fish on his you know logo for his company or whatever, but I see what he does and how he acts.
36:28
Emeal Zwayne: I mean, look, I think of what it says in Ezekiel 36, 22,.
36:32
Emeal Zwayne: Therefore, say to the house of Israel, thus says the Lord I do not do this for your sake or house of Israel, but for my holy names sake, which you have profaned among the nations wherever you went.
36:44
Emeal Zwayne: Whew, he's telling his people, you've profaned my holy name.
36:48
Emeal Zwayne: How could they profane as holy name?
36:50
Emeal Zwayne: They're his people, they bear his name, and as they went among the pagans, they were acting like them and dishonoring God.
36:57
Emeal Zwayne: You know, look, mark and I were we're kind of talking about this because we just returned from from a trip abroad.
37:04
Emeal Zwayne: We were in Puerto Rico.
37:05
Emeal Zwayne: I'd speak into the conference there and it was just wonderful for those Puerto Rican brothers and sisters listening.
37:11
Emeal Zwayne: We love you all and we're just touched by your love for the Lord, and how many people there love the ministry?
37:18
Ray Comfort: You got over 800 people showed up.
37:20
Emeal Zwayne: Yeah, it was amazing.
37:21
Emeal Zwayne: It was in the largest church in the south of Puerto Rico and they were so just, welcoming, hospitable and have a passion for the lost.
37:27
Emeal Zwayne: But Mark and I were traveling, we were in the airport.
37:30
Emeal Zwayne: We were treated very poorly by one of the ladies at the desk there at the airlines.
37:36
Emeal Zwayne: No yeah, I can't even believe it.
37:38
Emeal Zwayne: Shocking, and you know I don't do well.
37:42
Emeal Zwayne: What was her name?
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Emeal Zwayne: You know, Gisabel.
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Emeal Zwayne: I think I don't do well in those situations.
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Emeal Zwayne: I mean, one of my biggest struggles in life is rude at people, Whatever anyway so.
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Emeal Zwayne: And this lady was very rude and I mean honestly it was ridiculous.
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Emeal Zwayne: I'm not going to get into the circumstances, but Mark and I held our peace, we gave you know, left them with a tract and stuff and and we walked away.
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Emeal Zwayne: And we're talking about this.
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Emeal Zwayne: I'm thinking, man, you know I can get upset in the moment.
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Emeal Zwayne: I could say something rude, I could, and again, that's my past right.
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Emeal Zwayne: I have a sharp tongue and I don't do well with.
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Emeal Zwayne: Yes, look With people.
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Emeal Zwayne: Support that can get through a story.
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Emeal Zwayne: But, man, we have to think we represent the name of the Lord and I it was.
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Emeal Zwayne: It was an itch, right, and the temptation is to scratch that itch by saying something cutting and harsh and whatever.
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Emeal Zwayne: But okay, I do that and what?
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Emeal Zwayne: What happens?
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Emeal Zwayne: I walk away with this person not getting the gospel Forget.
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Emeal Zwayne: Whether they know I'm a Christian or not, this means I, obviously I, I shouldn't give them a tract after that point.
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Emeal Zwayne: Right, I mean how terrible.
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Emeal Zwayne: But okay, so I withhold the gospel from someone.
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Emeal Zwayne: What, if?
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Emeal Zwayne: What if she looks me up and recognizes that I'm in ministry, I'm a Christian or whatever, to dishonor the name of the Lord?
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Emeal Zwayne: For for my my, you know, frustrations, we have to be careful, so I give the testimony.
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Ray Comfort: She obviously knew she was being rude and you were kind back to her and that might cut her to the heart.
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Ray Comfort: She just don't know.
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Emeal Zwayne: Yeah, and that's the hope.
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Emeal Zwayne: You know, I remember one time being treated horribly at a fast food place and I wouldn't put ketchup on.
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Emeal Zwayne: They put onions in my food and I gave.
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Emeal Zwayne: I gave the.
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Emeal Zwayne: I think it was a.
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Emeal Zwayne: Was it a subway or something anywhere?
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Emeal Zwayne: But that was your first mistake.
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Emeal Zwayne: Yeah, I gave them like a 20,.
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Emeal Zwayne: I just said, hey, this is for you, it was 20 bucks.
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Emeal Zwayne: And they just stood there like dumbfounded because they knew they were being.
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Emeal Zwayne: It wasn't like one of those.
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Emeal Zwayne: They.
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Emeal Zwayne: They weren't intentionally being rude, you know.
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Emeal Zwayne: And so we have to think about that, because we represent in the name of the Lord, have you let's?
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Mark Spence: let's explore this a little bit.
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Mark Spence: I mean, when we talk about not honoring God, is it possible and I'm throwing this question out there because I don't have it figured out right Is it possible to blaspheme God by not sharing the gospel with people?
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Mark Spence: And what I mean by that is this that we are given an opportunity to share the gospel, we don't share the gospel with them?
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Mark Spence: And, in essence, through our actions, we're saying God, I'm okay with you damning that person to hell.
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Mark Spence: God, condemn them.
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Mark Spence: I can't even put the word dam in the midst of that right.
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Mark Spence: God condemn them to hell, I'm okay with it.
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Mark Spence: Just just a weird word picture association with that when we don't share the gospel through knowing what we need to do, whether it's handing the tracker, engaging inside of a word Boy, what a, what a weird twist.
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Mark Spence: I mean, what are you guys' thoughts on that?
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Mark Spence: Is that over stretching, over thinking?
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Emeal Zwayne: Well, you know what I think, mark.
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Emeal Zwayne: It's a good thing to explore and to think on.
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Emeal Zwayne: I don't know if I have a fully clear answer.
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Emeal Zwayne: I could just say that it's tragic, no question, you know, and I think about that, you know, and I'm about to leave a person that I'd spent a good amount of time with, that I didn't know, or on in whatever situation, to leave that and to think I'm a representative of God, I'm an ambassador for Jesus Christ, I know the way of salvation.
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Emeal Zwayne: This person is on their way to hell.
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Emeal Zwayne: How could I not?
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Mark Spence: Is there anything more selfish?
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Emeal Zwayne: It really it is, and and may God quicken us.
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Ray Comfort: We're going to go to the pendulum quote in a minute.
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Oscar Navarro: Yeah, yeah, seriously, what is that?
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Emeal Zwayne: Ray.
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Ray Comfort: I can't remember.
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Emeal Zwayne: Yeah, yeah.
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Emeal Zwayne: Well, I'll share it.
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Emeal Zwayne: You know, penn Gillette for those of you that don't know is a world renowned atheist and he's a guy that makes the shaving cream.
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Emeal Zwayne: And he did a video one day that was really famous, where he talked about how this man came up to him after one of his performances Again, he's a magician and gave him a Bible and he went on about this guy's demeanor and his kindness and his sincerity and then he said look, and Penn Gillette's an atheist, a renowned atheist.
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Emeal Zwayne: He would tear Bibles up, he would blaspheme God to no end with mock Christian spirit, and he talked about how much he admired this man.
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Emeal Zwayne: And then he said I don't respect anyone who believes in heaven and in hell, that these are real, that someone can go to hell or avoid heaven and not tell people how they can be saved.
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Emeal Zwayne: He said I have no respect for that, for people who don't proselytize or who don't evangelize.
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Emeal Zwayne: And he said how much do you have to hate someone?
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Emeal Zwayne: He said if there's a truck coming on someone, it's bearing down, it's about to hit them and you see them there, there comes a point where you tackle that person, that's.
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Emeal Zwayne: And he said these words that's how important it is An atheist saying he has no respect for Christians who claim to believe what they believe and don't share their knowledge.
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Ray Comfort: And then we discovered that the Bible he was given was an evidence Bible, and the whole story is in a movie called the Fool.
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Emeal Zwayne: Yeah, by someone who follows our mystery.
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Emeal Zwayne: And then Ray got to tell Pendulette that story on the streets of DC and he said, penn, I'm tackling you now.
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Emeal Zwayne: Penn goes, huh, and Ray reminded him of what he shared about the vehicle coming.
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Emeal Zwayne: And he goes, okay, and then he takes off across the street.
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Emeal Zwayne: We hear the screeching of tires.
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Emeal Zwayne: I was there, I witnessed.
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Emeal Zwayne: We look up, we see Penn and his friend penned against a bus that was in front of them and they had nowhere to go because the car was coming.
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Emeal Zwayne: And he later said on that program, remember that the car hit his friend's pant leg.
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Emeal Zwayne: That's how close it was.
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Mark Spence: Right after Ray reiterated that illustration for him it's quite amazing yeah so the patience of God, yeah we're talking about blasphemy and I read a quote by Spurgeon.
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Ray Comfort: I had to read it twice to figure what he was saying Typical Spurgeon.
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Ray Comfort: But he said you guys will hear it once and know what he said.
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Ray Comfort: He said the ungodly are not half so restrained in their blasphemy as we are in our praise.
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Ray Comfort: Wow, isn't that powerful.
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Ray Comfort: And you listen to it Can you say it again, the ungodly are not half so restrained in their blasphemy as we are in our praise.
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Ray Comfort: Wow, and it's so true because so many people have talked to it.
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Ray Comfort: Do you ever use God's name?
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Ray Comfort: I mean all the time.
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Oscar Navarro: Yeah.
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Ray Comfort: It's like they've got a zeal to blaspheme God's name, and you know, the scriptures say that we're enemies of God in our mind through wicked works.
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Ray Comfort: What greater evidence that we're enemies of God than that we use his holy name as a caskwood when he gave us life?
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Emeal Zwayne: Yeah, it's a horror beyond words, mark, it's interesting to me that there's not a pause Like why is it the unbeliever doesn't stop and say why do I do that with Jesus' name?
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Mark Spence: Boy, because they are in darkness.
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Mark Spence: It just flows from their mouth like honey.
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Mark Spence: It is who they are.
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Mark Spence: I follow an Instagram account that I really really like.
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Mark Spence: It's by a woman named Hasty Gomez and biblical and Reformed, if you were to look it up on Instagram.
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Mark Spence: But she tells the story how she went to get her eyebrows done and she had said something to the woman who was doing her eyebrows and the woman responded with Jesus, like that.
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Mark Spence: And Hasty responded back with is Lord, the lady in our eyebrows stopped.
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Mark Spence: She started laughing while nodding and she said yes, yes, yes, I'm sorry, yes.
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Mark Spence: And Then hasty tells the crowd she said bring up his name in my presence and I'll declare that he is Lord.
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Ray Comfort: Wow, I like that actually that's a good idea to be quick-minded Whenever you hear someone boxing to say is Lord so let's sing it together.
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Oscar Navarro: I had I was playing basketball and a guy on my team he's a Christian and he is a faithful Christian, but he is a new believer I thought I heard him say Jesus after he missed a shot, but I wasn't entirely sure.
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Oscar Navarro: And then, sure enough, he missed another shot and I heard him say Jesus and as we're running down the Court, I like bumped him and I was like, hey, man, it's not his fault, like it's not his fault, you missed that shot.
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Oscar Navarro: And later on, after the game, you know, we had a chat and he was like ah, man, you're, you're right.
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Ray Comfort: He's amazing how powerful the conscience is when you bring up the morality of using God's name as a customer, almost everybody goes yeah, I know it's wrong.
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Ray Comfort: No, there's that intuitive understanding that this is wrong, right, but they don't realize the consequence.
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Emeal Zwayne: Yeah, and and people are gonna give account for every idle word spoken.
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Ray Comfort: I mean, that's not gonna go.
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Emeal Zwayne: Yeah, and.
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Emeal Zwayne: And you know the thought that scripture tells us out of the abundance of the heart, the mouse speaks.
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Emeal Zwayne: Yeah, you know that's, that's a reality.
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Emeal Zwayne: And and and again.
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Emeal Zwayne: Philippians 2, 9 to 11, which talks about Jesus name being above every name.
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Emeal Zwayne: One day, every knee will bound, every tongue will confess that he is Lord.
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Ray Comfort: Glory of God and Mark was talking about the young lady or the lady he was quoting.
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Ray Comfort: He said I really really like and you missed it what I really really like this.
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Emeal Zwayne: TV show Our buddy Alan from Paris, let me kind of.
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Oscar Navarro: I think acts 3 gives us a good, a good indication of where the gospel is in the midst of the Lord's name and taking it in vain.
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Oscar Navarro: And before I go there, let me also kind of reflect back to my early days as a Christian.
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Oscar Navarro: There was this band singer was an atheist and I used to really enjoy them, gone to their shows.
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Oscar Navarro: As an atheist, I go to their shows.
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Oscar Navarro: And who are they?
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Oscar Navarro: I don't want to name the name, okay, I don't think it's necessary, but I was a big fan of these guys when I first became a Christian.
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Oscar Navarro: I would still listen to their music, knowing how he would blaspheme the name of the Lord.
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Oscar Navarro: Beyond that, I mean hit.
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Oscar Navarro: The words were just so blatantly anti-Christian, anti-jesus, and in my mind at that time I was trying to rationalize and I was wrong.
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Oscar Navarro: I was trying to rationalize.
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Oscar Navarro: In my mind I was like, well, you know, I'm listening because the drummer and his time signature changes are so good, there's so much talent here.
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Oscar Navarro: I'm listening for that and not for the lyrics.
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Oscar Navarro: And one day I'm in my car as a new believer I think I'm headed the church and I've got this is CDs back in the day.
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Oscar Navarro: For those who don't know what it is, google it.
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Oscar Navarro: I saw I'm listening to the CD and it and I kind of this like aha moment came upon me.
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Oscar Navarro: And the aha moment was like I love my mom and I love my grandma.
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Oscar Navarro: And if anybody out there ever wrote a song Like be littling my mother or be littling my grandma, there was no way I'd put it on and be like, oh, but man, they're really talented.
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Oscar Navarro: It would be so offensive to me and I hit the eject button and like have never put that.
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Emeal Zwayne: CD back in, never listened.
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Emeal Zwayne: I appreciate you Well yeah, oh sorry.
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Oscar Navarro: And just to circle back to the gospel in acts three, there's this moment where Peter and John meet this crippled beggar outside the temple and Peter says to him acts three, verse six I have no silver and gold, but what I do have I give to you In the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth.
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Oscar Navarro: Rise up and walk.
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Oscar Navarro: And after that moment, after that healing, the crowds get Furious.
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Oscar Navarro: They're angry at this healing.
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Oscar Navarro: And Peter says to them why do you stare at us?
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Oscar Navarro: As though our own power, piety, we have made him walk by faith in the name of Jesus.
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Oscar Navarro: This man was made strong later on, in verse 12.
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Oscar Navarro: He says there is Salvation in no one else, for there is no other name under heaven given among men by which we Must be saved.
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Oscar Navarro: It is in the name of Jesus that we are forgiven of our blasphemous ways, and it is in the name of Jesus that we can repent from our blasphemous waves for his glory.
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Emeal Zwayne: So, my man, yeah, and we cannot forget the way that Christ taught us to pray.
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Emeal Zwayne: Matthew 6, 9.
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Emeal Zwayne: Our father, who is in heaven, hallowed be your name.
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Emeal Zwayne: God's name is holy, and friends, I'd encourage you to do a study on all the different names that God used to refer to himself.
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Emeal Zwayne: I mean, they're amazing names.
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Emeal Zwayne: You know all throughout the word.
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Emeal Zwayne: We don't have time to get into them here, but now time is up.
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Emeal Zwayne: I had them listed, but but just beautiful names that describe God's nature and God's character.
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Emeal Zwayne: You know El Shaddai, god Almighty, elohim the creator, emmanuel.
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Emeal Zwayne: You know Jesus name.
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Emeal Zwayne: God with us On and on all that.
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Oscar Navarro: You know the Jehovah I don't remember where on and on is.
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Emeal Zwayne: You've never heard that one, oh yeah from the land of on he's, he's always going on and on.
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Emeal Zwayne: Jehovah Nisi, the Lord, our banner, the Jehovah Rafa, the Lord, our healer, jehovah Rohe, the Lord, our shepherd, and on and on.
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Emeal Zwayne: Study the names of God, study the character and the nature of your God, and don't ever use his name in vain, verbally or through your life.
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Emeal Zwayne: He's worthy of the honor that he deserves.
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Emeal Zwayne: Amen, amen, all right friends.
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Emeal Zwayne: Uh, we are done.
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Emeal Zwayne: You're raising your hand right.
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Ray Comfort: Yes, uh, wayne's wonderful daughter, who interviewed me yesterday for a podcast, said that she just gets so Disappointed when you go serious at the end and don't go silly.
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Emeal Zwayne: She looks forward to I know, sometimes it's just not appropriate.
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Emeal Zwayne: Right, we said that, yeah, but friends, don't forget, let them hear.
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Emeal Zwayne: Moses Is looking to Moses to point people to Jesus.
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Emeal Zwayne: Don't forget the living waters, monk.
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Emeal Zwayne: Thank you for joining us, friends.
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