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Normally Podcast: Tensions Escalate in the Middle East · Normally

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Speaker 1: Yes, we are back on nor Show with nor Horse
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Speaker 1: Takes for whom the news gets weird. I am Mary
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Speaker 1: Catherine Ham.
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Speaker 2: And I'm Carol Markovitz and him Mary Catherine. We are
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Speaker 2: recording this after another very calm, chill weekend.
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Speaker 1: Nobody can ever chill, will let us rest, They will not,
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Speaker 1: And here we are to catch up on just like
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Speaker 1: you know, yeah, two.
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Speaker 2: Things, yeah, some things, you know, some things have happened.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, oh yeah.
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Speaker 2: So since we last spoke, Israel has attacked Iran and
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Speaker 2: it's going very well so far. You know, Israel very
0:45
Speaker 2: quickly said this is not going to be a quick thing.
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Speaker 2: After the first attack, they were asked like, is this it?
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Speaker 2: They said, this is not even the end of the beginning.
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Speaker 2: They see this as being war, not just strikes. And
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Speaker 2: you know, the night that it all went down. So
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Speaker 2: one of the funnier things about it, about an hour
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Speaker 2: before the strikes began, Mike Kokabe, who is ambassador to
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Speaker 2: Israel from the US, tweeted that he would be remaining
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Speaker 2: at the embassy in Jerusalem, and everyone was like, why
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Speaker 2: are you tweeting this at us in the middle of
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Speaker 2: the night, Mike Hookabe. Yeah, So it was clear it
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Speaker 2: was happening. Now, I am not a foreign policy expert.
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Speaker 2: I know this doesn't stop people from pretending they are
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Speaker 2: on X, but I follow it closely obviously, but I
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Speaker 2: could not possibly call myself an expert in the field. However,
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Speaker 2: that night, the rumor that spread on X was that
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Speaker 2: Trump didn't know about this, Yeah, knowing absolutely nothing about
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Speaker 2: what was going on. I responded that, like, obviously, Israel's
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Speaker 2: doing this without the United States kind of permission, Yes,
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Speaker 2: and it was. Trump has said that I ran had
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Speaker 2: sixty days to reach an agreement. It was day sixty one.
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Speaker 2: This kind of thing, it just it drives me bananas
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Speaker 2: because these people have followings on X that say things
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Speaker 2: that we all know are not true and that we
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Speaker 2: can't be true. It really does make me crazy.
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Speaker 1: So yeah, it's it is frustrating, and the immediate jump
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Speaker 1: to petty domestic politics, which look, yeah, is part of
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Speaker 1: my job. Petty domestic politics is what I've spend way
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Speaker 1: too much of my time on. Right, But in this case,
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Speaker 1: this is Israel going after an existential threat that frankly,
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Speaker 1: if they went nuclear, would affect everyone. Because this is
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Speaker 1: an insane and awful regime, right, and so to turn
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Speaker 1: it into like, ooh, they embarrass President Trump as a
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Speaker 1: sort of domestic politics victory is a silly because it's
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Speaker 1: not true, and he just sort of like makes you
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Speaker 1: look very small because it's not about that. And look,
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Speaker 1: I don't think that this would have happened under Biden,
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Speaker 1: because I think Biden would have been saying openly, or
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Speaker 1: a Harris administration certainly would have been saying openly, oh no, no, no,
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Speaker 1: you're not allowed to do any of that. Under a
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Speaker 1: Trump administration, they've talked behind the scenes. And although I
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Speaker 1: was worried about Steve Whitkoff making deals shared with the
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Speaker 1: Iranians because I thought that didn't look like a good idea,
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Speaker 1: it seems clear to me that they probably look. I
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Speaker 1: think Trump likes deals. So Steve Witkoff goes in there, like,
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Speaker 1: we're going to make a deal. Trump's like, maybe we'll
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Speaker 1: make a deal. But he's serious about the deadline, and
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Speaker 1: he's serious about backing Israel up if they need to
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Speaker 1: do what they need to do. And so he did
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Speaker 1: the deadline. And here's the thing about passing the deadline
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Speaker 1: and then making good on a threat is that it
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Speaker 1: makes you a credible leader. Exactly to those who we
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Speaker 1: want to be scared of us. So it also means,
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Speaker 1: by the way, that so many of our friends in
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Speaker 1: Israel who I want to just send up prayers for
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Speaker 1: are in danger, many of them in bomb shelters or
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Speaker 1: in special parts of their houses to protect them from
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Speaker 1: Iranian ballistic missiles. But because of the military and intel
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Speaker 1: successes of Israel, which have been astounding over the past
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Speaker 1: year or so, fewer of those ballistic missiles are coming
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Speaker 1: in each time because they are able to target where
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Speaker 1: they're coming from and take those out. Amazing.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, there, Iran is in this tough spot where Israel
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Speaker 2: keeps taking out their launchers every time they launch missiles,
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Speaker 2: but they can't not launch missiles, so you know, kind
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Speaker 2: of kind of a tough little spot for them. It's
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Speaker 2: going wildly well. There have been some deaths in Israel
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Speaker 2: which are very unfortunate obviously, also so any innocent Iranians
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Speaker 2: who are caught up in this. It's really desperately sad.
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Speaker 2: Iranian people have wanted to get rid of the mulahs
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Speaker 2: for so long, but hopefully this will be a moment
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Speaker 2: where that can happen. Even you know, people who have
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Speaker 2: opposed this attack, like Tucker Carlson, for example, in the
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Speaker 2: days before the attack happened, he wrote this whole long thing,
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Speaker 2: and I'm not going to get into it, but basically
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Speaker 2: he said, if the Iranians were close to getting a nuke,
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Speaker 2: the United States would already be at war with them.
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Speaker 2: Why would we want that? Why would we as Americans
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Speaker 2: want them to get really close to getting a nuke
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Speaker 2: and that's when we would go to war with them.
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Speaker 2: This is a much cleaner, safer situation for Americans. I
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Speaker 2: don't understand how any American can oppose Israel doing this
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Speaker 2: in Iran because it helps us without us having to
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Speaker 2: have boots on the ground period.
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Speaker 1: Well, and I understand people being concerned. I don't want
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Speaker 1: to be naive, but I am. There is this special
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Speaker 1: moment that we are in that because of Israel's incredible successes,
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Speaker 1: they sort of stood naked before the world. This program
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Speaker 1: and Iran's various sites didn't have the defenses that they
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Speaker 1: would otherwise have, So it seemed like a good opportunity
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Speaker 1: to add a relatively low cost, just like in general
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Speaker 1: of consequences and of retaliation, to go ahead and make
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Speaker 1: a serious dent in their situation. As you say, their
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Speaker 1: public is not exactly resoundingly behind them. Of course, a
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Speaker 1: lot would have to happen before the public rises up
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Speaker 1: and there's any sort of change. But I just you
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Speaker 1: don't have to be an expert to think, do I
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Speaker 1: want Iran to have nukes? And the answer is no.
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Speaker 1: And the Obama administration's plan for keeping them from nukes
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Speaker 1: seemed to be paid let them get extremely close to
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Speaker 1: nukes and also give them lots of money to get
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Speaker 1: which I confess I don't.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, never made a lot of sense and didn't think
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Speaker 2: that was strategy was going to work, and it hasn't.
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Speaker 2: So Also, Iran has not let in inspectors in a
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Speaker 2: long time. This idea that they're being so transparent and
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Speaker 2: oh look at israelis bombing them for no reason is ridiculous.
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Speaker 2: Iran cannot have a nuclear bomb. President Trump said that,
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Speaker 2: and we were hoping to get back at the negotiating table.
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Speaker 2: We will see, and then he added there are several
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Speaker 2: people in leadership that will not be coming back, which
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Speaker 2: is a perfect little Trump is.
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Speaker 1: He also said, when asked, like you knows how did
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Speaker 1: they die? Or they died because they were taken out by,
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Speaker 1: and he goes, well, they didn't I have COVID, and
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Speaker 1: I just he is a very funny president.
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Speaker 2: He is us.
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Speaker 1: He's a very funny president. Apparently, Iran is now signaling
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Speaker 1: the Wall Street Journal reports that it would like to
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Speaker 1: de escalate hostilities and result resumed talks over its nuclear programs,
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Speaker 1: sending messages to Israel and the US via Arab intermediaries.
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Speaker 1: Middle Eastern and European officials said, oh what changed. I also,
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Speaker 1: I would like to note every Arab country quietly does
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Speaker 1: not want them to have nukes. They are not loud
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Speaker 1: about it, but they want this result. And they also
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Speaker 1: have backed up Israel by shooting many things out of
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Speaker 1: the air headed toward Israel, at least some of those
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Speaker 1: allied Arab countries. So even though it's like a little
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Speaker 1: testy over there, they don't want Iran to have a
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Speaker 1: nuke either, right, Why would they?
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Speaker 2: Yeah, it makes no sense. We'll be right back on normally.
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Speaker 2: Other news. This weekend, there was a shooting in Minnesota
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Speaker 2: where a gunman killed Minnesota House Speaker Melissa Hortman and
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Speaker 2: her spouse, and he shot two other lawmakers. The gunman
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Speaker 2: is Van Spolter, I reported that first, thank you very
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Speaker 2: much she did.
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Speaker 1: If you do not follow at Carol, you should because
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Speaker 1: she does break some news.
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Speaker 2: Sometimes I break news. It's very very scary whenever I do.
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Speaker 2: By the way, I don't recommend it. It's a very
9:17
Speaker 2: nerve wracking few minutes every time. Where I hope that
9:21
Speaker 2: I got it right, I haven't correct. I haven't been
9:23
Speaker 2: wrong yet. I had one time where I said a
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Speaker 2: jury decision was in and that hadn't become public yet,
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Speaker 2: but then the jury went back into deliberations, so it
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Speaker 2: seemed like I got it wrong. But other than that one,
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Speaker 2: I'm batting whatever the good batting averages.
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Speaker 1: Our girl is a good follower. But this terrible situation
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Speaker 1: is the fifty five year old Democratic leader in the
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Speaker 1: Minnesota House and her husband. They have children. I believe
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Speaker 1: he also shot their dog. It's just like the worst story.
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Speaker 1: He also the suspect also shot allegedly another lawmaker. It's
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Speaker 1: unclear exactly what the situation is right now. The Wall
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Speaker 1: Street Journal is reporting that this guy has really disparate employment,
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Speaker 1: sort of a very confusing career path ministry. They said
10:14
Speaker 1: he works with some sort of eye donation company right
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Speaker 1: now and is also trying to get a security company
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Speaker 1: off the ground. He apparently has a family, but also
10:24
Speaker 1: has roommates in another part of town. They did report
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Speaker 1: that he has been a preacher and is that specifically
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Speaker 1: worked with the Democratic Republic of Congo, which is an
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Speaker 1: interesting choice, and that he is a pro life person
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Speaker 1: that perhaps there's a list of abortion allies that he
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Speaker 1: had in his possession. He shoots both of these lawmakers.
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Speaker 1: I don't want to get over our skis because that's
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Speaker 1: what the press always does in these situations and it's
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Speaker 1: not healthy for anyone. But every single person should be
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Speaker 1: able to say this is the worst and we want
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Speaker 1: nothing to do with anyone who agrees with us doing
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Speaker 1: anything like this, Unlike the Luigi situation, yep, I would
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Speaker 1: just like to say that very loudly, right.
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Speaker 3: You're not like, well, maybe the right right, like I
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Speaker 3: wouldn't shoot people, but no, no, this is not doing
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Speaker 3: that wrong and we don't stand for it on normally.
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Speaker 1: Also, I would like to note that Senator John Hoffman
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Speaker 1: sixty and his wife, Yvette, who were also attacked. I
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Speaker 1: believe Yvette shielded their daughter, like incredibly heroically. There was
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Speaker 1: a man hunt for this guy. He has been apprehended.
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Speaker 1: We will know more information. Apparently there's a manifesto. I
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Speaker 1: don't know if it will be released. Law enforcements seem
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Speaker 1: to say not at this point. And also it sounds
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Speaker 1: like someone that he was caught because someone saw him
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Speaker 1: on a trail camp. So way to go, hunters. Wow,
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Speaker 1: we appreciate it happened.
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Speaker 2: I didn't hear that.
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Speaker 1: Amazing, that is what I saw this morning. So anyway,
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Speaker 1: as always, we will be careful with such news unless
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Speaker 1: someone is on tape and many witnesses saying this is
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Speaker 1: my motive. I am currently practicing that motive. I don't
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Speaker 1: like to say that until we're going.
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Speaker 2: To give it a minute. That's right, Yeah, we're going
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Speaker 2: to take a short break and come right back with normally.
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Speaker 2: In other news, Donald Trump, you know when he's good.
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Speaker 2: He is very very good. My friend Cliff Asnis, who
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Speaker 2: is a big opponent of tariffs, after he tweeted this
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Speaker 2: after Trump said for those people who say they want peace,
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Speaker 2: you can't have peace if I Ran has a nuclear weapon.
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Speaker 2: So for all those wonderful people, you don't want to
12:42
Speaker 2: do anything about I Ran having a nuclear weapon. That's
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Speaker 2: not peace. And Cliff Astnes wrote DJT. You know, today
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Speaker 2: I'm thinking I can live with some tariffs, which is
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Speaker 2: really where we are on Trump, like he is so good.
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Speaker 2: And then other times I just don't understand this man.
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Speaker 2: And one of those times is these new carve outs
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Speaker 2: for people who are here illegally and have jobs and
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Speaker 2: in the farming and hotel and leisure businesses are getting
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Speaker 2: a carve out to not be deported. And I hate that.
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Speaker 2: I hate it. I hate it because there should be
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Speaker 2: no special carveouts. What about uber eats, what about you know,
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Speaker 2: any other number of businesses that rely on a class
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Speaker 2: of people that they don't have to pay minimum wage too,
13:31
Speaker 2: you know, the people who are very worried about their
13:34
Speaker 2: their maids and their gardeners and whatever, very very Yeah,
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Speaker 2: they're just like, what about my cleaning staff? What about
13:43
Speaker 2: their people? Right? So I really don't like this at all.
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Speaker 2: The other thing kind of related to this that he
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Speaker 2: reversed himself on is made a deal with China, subject
13:56
Speaker 2: to final approval. But one of the things was we
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Speaker 2: agreed Chinese students using our colleges and university, which has
14:03
Speaker 2: always been good with me. He tweeted. I think that's
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Speaker 2: a problem. I think it's a real problem that China
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Speaker 2: can send anyone they want to our universities and we
14:13
Speaker 2: really don't know who's coming in. And so it ties
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Speaker 2: really well with the illegal immigration problem because these special
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Speaker 2: carve outs do not help us and they don't lead
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Speaker 2: us to a good place. If you want to have
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Speaker 2: special workers and special industries, we have worker programs for that,
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Speaker 2: legal worker programs. We don't just overlook that these industries
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Speaker 2: have illegal immigrants working there and say, oh, well, they
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Speaker 2: need those immigrants, and that's just what we're going to
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Speaker 2: do here. So Donald Trump Man, I.
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Speaker 1: Know, well, and once again you're punishing people who obey
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Speaker 1: the law because it's much more expensive for them to
14:52
Speaker 1: run their businesses because they're paying people minimum wage. I
14:54
Speaker 1: love liberals, by the way, where it's like, we have
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Speaker 1: to have a twenty dollars minimum wage, yeah, which will
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Speaker 1: crush the actual not black market economy, but for the
15:04
Speaker 1: gray and black market where people are being paid off
15:06
Speaker 1: the books, paying whatever you want two dollars an hour,
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Speaker 1: that seems fine with us. So it's a little weird
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Speaker 1: to me. I do think there's a way to achieve
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Speaker 1: basically not turning everyone off with the mass deportation effort
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Speaker 1: while also getting done a lot of work, which is
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Speaker 1: to do what he said he was going to do.
15:25
Speaker 1: And the beauty and the annoyance about Trump is that
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Speaker 1: he'll say a thousand things. You can always say, well,
15:31
Speaker 1: he said that. But look, prioritizing criminal aliens is very,
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Speaker 1: very very popular. Do that do targeted pickups? If there
15:42
Speaker 1: are various industries that are more problematic than others, I
15:46
Speaker 1: think those are worth sending a signal about it because
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Speaker 1: all the other parts of that industry have to go ooh,
15:53
Speaker 1: should we.
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Speaker 2: Be doing this exactly?
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Speaker 1: And I just don't understand what part of the law
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Speaker 1: has been repealed, right, because to my knowledge none, it's
16:04
Speaker 1: just still illegal to employ all these people. Yeah. By
16:07
Speaker 1: the way, I remember the days when like one nanny
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Speaker 1: scandal would get somebody kicked out of it an administration.
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Speaker 2: Yes, do we even do that anymore? I think, Okay,
16:15
Speaker 2: we just accept that everybody has a legal immigrant nannies.
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Speaker 1: You know, let's keep telling me.
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Speaker 2: Yeah. I did a border trip last year now, and
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Speaker 2: one of the things that the agriculture worker that we
16:29
Speaker 2: spoke to Holmes and agriculture business on the border of
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Speaker 2: Texas and Mexico was saying he does not hire anyone
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Speaker 2: who is here legally. But he also has a lot
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Speaker 2: of trouble with the guest worker program. They don't have
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Speaker 2: a good effective guests worker program. He often does not
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Speaker 2: have enough people. He also the whole idea, you know,
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Speaker 2: just pay more and you get Americans. He says, well, no,
16:56
Speaker 2: because you have to live in this rural area where
17:00
Speaker 2: are grown. And he says he has two Americans who
17:03
Speaker 2: come every season to work for him, but it's very rare,
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Speaker 2: very hard, and he would like to bring in more
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Speaker 2: legal workers, and he has trouble doing that. And I
17:13
Speaker 2: don't think exempting farm markers is going to lead us
17:16
Speaker 2: to having a better guest worker program, which Trump has
17:20
Speaker 2: mentioned he wanted right he is. He has said he
17:22
Speaker 2: wants a better guest worker legal program. I think exempting
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Speaker 2: these illegal workers in these industries moves us farther away
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Speaker 2: from that goal.
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Speaker 1: Yeah. By the way, while we're while we're airing grievances,
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Speaker 1: I would like to point out that still TikTok should
17:37
Speaker 1: not exist on American app markets right now according to
17:41
Speaker 1: the law. However you feel about that law, the law
17:44
Speaker 1: is not being obeyed and so interesting to me and
17:47
Speaker 1: actually a good segue into our next topic, because this
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Speaker 1: is the almost the only thing that Trump is acting
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Speaker 1: like a king about. He is not enforcing this TikTok law. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: the left doesn't care because they really like TikTok, so.
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Speaker 2: Right doesn't matter. It's fine. Yeah, it's not a king here.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, just want to note that the law is not
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Speaker 1: being followed on that he keeps saying I'm going to delay,
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Speaker 1: and there's nothing in the law that says he's allowed
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Speaker 1: to delay. It just shouldn't be happening.
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Speaker 2: We'll be right back on.
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Speaker 1: Normally, the No Kings rallies happened all around the nation,
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Speaker 1: reportedly about two thousand different sites. At the same time,
18:29
Speaker 1: the Army Parade was going on. Army two hundred and
18:31
Speaker 1: fiftieth Birthday Parade was happening in Washington, d C. I
18:34
Speaker 1: do want to point out that in my area, I
18:36
Speaker 1: ran across some No Kings protesters. They were all boomerirific ladies.
18:44
Speaker 1: Like I was, like, it's hot outside today, everybody make
18:48
Speaker 1: sure you hydrate. But we drove past a little crowd
18:51
Speaker 1: and my kids said, and I don't talk to them
18:54
Speaker 1: about politics a lot. We talk about civics, but we
18:57
Speaker 1: don't talk about politics. Sure, And they asked about this
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Speaker 1: and they're like, what is that, No Kings, what is happening?
19:03
Speaker 1: And I said, well, those are people who don't like
19:05
Speaker 1: Donald Trump and this is their First Amendment right to
19:07
Speaker 1: protest him and say that they don't like him because
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Speaker 1: they believe he's acting like a king. And they said,
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Speaker 1: wasn't he elected in the election, And I said, yes,
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Speaker 1: that is a salient point, ladies, that is a very
19:21
Speaker 1: unboldlike behavior.
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Speaker 2: Also, kings generally wouldn't allow no King protests on their streets.
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Speaker 2: Just one of those things you hear about kings. We
19:31
Speaker 2: also drove by a really small one in Coral Springs, Florida.
19:35
Speaker 2: They were waving American flags and not blocking traffic, and
19:38
Speaker 2: I just thought, even our leftists are better in Florida.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean that that may be. The are seemed
19:43
Speaker 1: to be a short lived little protest near where we were.
19:47
Speaker 1: I will say it did seem like they might have
19:50
Speaker 1: gotten a little more patriotic over the past couple of
19:54
Speaker 1: weeks when they saw how the LA stuff was landing.
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Speaker 2: Right and good for them, good good, Yeah, we was.
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Speaker 1: However, there was one death at a Salt Lake City,
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Speaker 1: no kings, And methinks that if conservatives gathered in two
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Speaker 1: thousand gatherings and there were one murder, that that would
20:11
Speaker 1: be a huge national story, but it's rather small at
20:16
Speaker 1: any rate. That was a it was a weird situation
20:19
Speaker 1: where a guy with a rifle showed up, was charging people,
20:22
Speaker 1: and a peacekeeper, a designated peacekeeper inside the crowd shot
20:27
Speaker 1: at the assailant and miss hit a bystander, which is
20:30
Speaker 1: just terrible. But the guy with the original guy with
20:33
Speaker 1: the rifle is being charged. So that happened at the parade,
20:37
Speaker 1: which was supposed to be the fascistic display on the
20:40
Speaker 1: National Mall, it was actually just an army parade. It
20:44
Speaker 1: wasn't a Trump parade. He was there because he's the
20:47
Speaker 1: commander in chief. It's the two hundred and fiftieth birthday
20:50
Speaker 1: of the army. This event has actually been planned because
20:54
Speaker 1: the two hundred and fiftieth anniversary was coming up for
20:56
Speaker 1: a long time and people knew it. There have been
20:58
Speaker 1: plans in the work since two thousand twenty three at
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Speaker 1: least just.
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Speaker 2: To do this. Yeah. Yeah, he had very little to
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Speaker 2: do with this, and yet it was like, look at
21:09
Speaker 2: the king with his military parade for his birthday, and
21:12
Speaker 2: it's like, yes, it really wasn't and just he makes
21:15
Speaker 2: people lose their minds like this. I actually think the
21:18
Speaker 2: no Kings is very bad branding. I don't think that
21:21
Speaker 2: they nailed it with this one.
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Speaker 1: I think they did either. They're usually better at.
21:24
Speaker 2: That, so much better. And the pic pussy you know
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Speaker 2: hat thing in twenty sixteen, way more effective, way more
21:33
Speaker 2: like striking and lands. Where kind of his weaknesses were,
21:39
Speaker 2: it was with women, and it was the comments he
21:41
Speaker 2: made to Billy Bush. They nailed that he's not trying
21:45
Speaker 2: to be a king, and I don't know who thinks otherwise.
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Speaker 1: So say, his answers to whether people should be concerned
21:52
Speaker 1: about him being a king are far better than Obama's were,
21:55
Speaker 1: because Obama would just wax poetic about how he kind
21:59
Speaker 1: of wished he was but he can't do it, and
22:03
Speaker 1: I'm sure you could find tape of Trump doing the same.
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Speaker 1: But when he was just recently asked about it, he
22:07
Speaker 1: was like, I don't feel like a king, like I
22:09
Speaker 1: keep having to check with Mike Johnson I can do.
22:13
Speaker 2: And also like local district court judges keep stopping him.
22:18
Speaker 2: So you know, there was that meme going around like
22:20
Speaker 2: Donald Trump was going to resign from the presidency and
22:23
Speaker 2: take a really you know, the high power job of district.
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Speaker 1: District court judge.
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Speaker 2: Yeah.
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Speaker 1: I do want to play just a tiny clip of
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Speaker 1: the Army two fifty parade, which was I must say,
22:34
Speaker 1: very cool. Here is the scary, UH military parade. These
22:40
Speaker 1: guys are marching and you'll hear the horrifying soundtracks. When
23:10
Speaker 1: I think fascists, I think John Phillips SUSA. Right.
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Speaker 2: Also, I should know, I like London does that like
23:16
Speaker 2: three times a week.
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Speaker 1: So oh yeah. In fact, he did it the same
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Speaker 1: day as US this year. Yes, this landed on Trump's birthday,
23:24
Speaker 1: but also Flag Day and also the two hundred and
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Speaker 1: fiftieth birthday of the US Army. I loved that they
23:29
Speaker 1: did all the different eras of uniforms. I loved it
23:32
Speaker 1: looked fantastic. The voiceover if you were a history person
23:39
Speaker 1: or at all interested in this, was also great because
23:42
Speaker 1: you're just learning things about the American military while they're
23:46
Speaker 1: troop in the color as they say in Britain, the
23:50
Speaker 1: lawmakers are watching Carol. Would you like to guess how
23:54
Speaker 1: long Trump's speech was at this event?
23:57
Speaker 2: Oh? You know Trump likes to give the really long speech,
24:00
Speaker 2: but I feel like the fact that you're asking me
24:02
Speaker 2: means it didn't go two hours.
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Speaker 1: So for the Trump Parade on his birthday, where he's
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Speaker 1: a king, he gave an eight minute speech.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, he's good, He's very, very good.
24:15
Speaker 1: And he also swore in a bunch of officers in
24:19
Speaker 1: the middle of the parade, or a bunch of new
24:21
Speaker 1: enlisties and re enlisties at the parade, which is such
24:25
Speaker 1: a cool thing, except that I joked that he's literally
24:29
Speaker 1: in the streets of America telling them to obey his orders,
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Speaker 1: and we're all just blind to this horrific, unprecedented move.
24:36
Speaker 1: Of course, that's just the normal oaths that you give
24:39
Speaker 1: when you're subject to the orders of the commander in
24:41
Speaker 1: chief in our system. Even MSNBC had to admit at
24:45
Speaker 1: one point like this doesn't seem like dark or scary.
24:50
Speaker 2: Yeah, they were real worried about it before though. Matt
24:53
Speaker 2: cover on X tweeted, who knew that principled opposition to
24:57
Speaker 2: Trump would mean booing the Army's two hundred fiftieth birthday.
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Speaker 2: If you find yourself booing the Army's birthday, like you've
25:04
Speaker 2: got some problems.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, it was just nice. All the guys in the
25:07
Speaker 1: tanks were like smiling and waving at children. They at
25:12
Speaker 1: one point, I did enjoy this, and I think this
25:13
Speaker 1: is a Trump era flare that might not have existed otherwise.
25:16
Speaker 1: When the tanks were coming down the street of different eras,
25:18
Speaker 1: they would play songs from the different eras. So it
25:20
Speaker 1: was like inter sandmen and I love some seventies rock.
25:25
Speaker 1: It was very American. Wow, So just stop overreacting to everything. Man,
25:34
Speaker 1: they came to.
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Speaker 2: Your lips, Mary Catherine, I really would enjoy that. How
25:39
Speaker 2: did the New York Times handle Father's Day? Okay, speaking
25:44
Speaker 2: of overreacting. Did they have a very positive message for
25:48
Speaker 2: fathers on Father's Day?
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Speaker 1: You know, they had a daughter write a piece called
25:54
Speaker 1: what my father gave Me?
25:57
Speaker 2: He gave her good things?
25:58
Speaker 1: Right, oh, contrerel It was a piece called what my
26:04
Speaker 1: father gave Me, and it was all about how much
26:07
Speaker 1: she dislikes her father and he's still with us. She
26:11
Speaker 1: wrote a New York Times article about him, and I'm
26:15
Speaker 1: just saying, look, parental relationships can be complicated, Okay, I
26:18
Speaker 1: understand that. Just find one person in America who loves
26:22
Speaker 1: their father or stepfather.
26:24
Speaker 2: Or father in law. I love my father in law,
26:27
Speaker 2: you know.
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Speaker 1: Just grandfather even would be a thing you could do.
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Speaker 1: But they found a person who's like, I want to
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Speaker 1: trash my still living father. Yeah, for all the ways
26:40
Speaker 1: he fell short when I was a child. I want
26:43
Speaker 1: to air that in the New York Times. And I
26:45
Speaker 1: also want to note the emotionally immature ways in which
26:48
Speaker 1: I have retaliated against him for these things, including she says,
26:54
Speaker 1: there are some things I've taken from my dad, including
26:57
Speaker 1: Fox News when I set up his cable.
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Speaker 2: Ma'am, you're not the samee one here.
27:06
Speaker 1: Like, don't do that to your dad. Just just hey,
27:08
Speaker 1: here's an idea. But your grown ass father watched the
27:11
Speaker 1: channels he wants to watch exactly.
27:13
Speaker 4: Wow.
27:14
Speaker 2: Wow, it just yeah, it's like he didn't take her
27:18
Speaker 2: to San Diego Chargers games even though he had season
27:22
Speaker 2: tickets too. Of course that's shitty, but can I can I.
27:24
Speaker 1: Also just say I have a feeling if he took
27:27
Speaker 1: her to the Chargers games, she'd be writing a piece
27:30
Speaker 1: about how he made me go to Chargers games.
27:34
Speaker 2: True, true, because she's like, he gave me really nice
27:36
Speaker 2: houses to grow up in, Like, oh my god, how
27:39
Speaker 2: dare he that seems important? Right?
27:42
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know.
27:44
Speaker 2: I just yeah, it's just it's so pathetic how the
27:48
Speaker 2: New York Times is just anti men and the whole
27:51
Speaker 2: the whole left really is just anti men. They really
27:55
Speaker 2: don't get it. The Tennessee Titans, Happy Father's Day to
27:59
Speaker 2: all the Titans, moms and fatherly figures. I mean, play Travis,
28:03
Speaker 2: come get your team.
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Speaker 1: They can't even just say fathers like that's one of
28:08
Speaker 1: the category.
28:09
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, it can't be. It can't be fathers. Fathers
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Speaker 2: don't count.
28:12
Speaker 1: Come on, I want to note. Gavin Newsom says, this
28:16
Speaker 1: Father's Day, I'm thinking of the families torn apart by
28:18
Speaker 1: Trump's cruel deportation policies. Innocent kids are paying the price
28:22
Speaker 1: simply because their dads showed up for work, we're near
28:24
Speaker 1: a home depot, or we're in the wrong place at
28:26
Speaker 1: the wrong time. This cruelty must end. Okay, let's put
28:30
Speaker 1: aside the fact checking of that particular tweet.
28:32
Speaker 2: But like any other father rights right.
28:37
Speaker 1: Anyone out there, as I just all these holidays have
28:41
Speaker 1: so much creep. Now, yeah, you have to make Father's
28:45
Speaker 1: Day about people who aren't fathers as well, right, you
28:48
Speaker 1: have to.
28:50
Speaker 4: And I think Dad's right, and I think it's always
28:52
Speaker 4: I think it's nice to be aware that people have
28:55
Speaker 4: issues with their parents or have lost parents and all
28:59
Speaker 4: that stuff, Like we can all acknowledge that that's part
29:01
Speaker 4: of life.
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Speaker 1: Sure, I'm in a family where someone might think it's
29:04
Speaker 1: sensitive to say things to us on Father's Day, right, right, right,
29:08
Speaker 1: I'm not worried about it. But even for those who are,
29:11
Speaker 1: let's not make Mother's Day or Father's Day overtaken by
29:17
Speaker 1: the grief that others feel. Like. We can just make
29:20
Speaker 1: it about the mothers and the fathers who are with us,
29:22
Speaker 1: and the mothers and the fathers we've lost.
29:23
Speaker 2: That we are honoring still, like exactly.
29:26
Speaker 1: It's such a downer sometimes on social media when everyone's like,
29:30
Speaker 1: just remember other people are sat right, that's right.
29:33
Speaker 2: I know, yes, I'm fully aware, but that's not what the.
29:37
Speaker 1: Day is about, because that's not what the day's about anyway.
29:40
Speaker 1: Thanks to the dad's and my family who we had
29:43
Speaker 1: a great time with and.
29:44
Speaker 2: In mine, we really are lucky to have some incredible men.
29:48
Speaker 2: My husband, father in law, my brother is just a
29:51
Speaker 2: great dad and uncle. I just you know, really really
29:54
Speaker 2: good guys and We're lucky to have them.
29:56
Speaker 1: Maybe someone could have found somebody to write a not
29:58
Speaker 1: bad about them.
29:58
Speaker 2: Yeah, that would have been nice.
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Speaker 1: Next time we can shoot for it next year.
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