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THE DISCLAIMER: Ruse Chat · The Hauraki Big Show

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  Speaker 1: For all you mad bastards loving the big show podcast
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  Speaker 2: Oh good day fellas backbone hello good stuff i can't.
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  Speaker 1: Really change the name of the show to that because
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  Speaker 1: that would have not been annoying at all what's that
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  Speaker 1: g'day fellas backbone hello yeah Hello.
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  Speaker 2: I tell you what.
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  Speaker 3: Wait, so that's the name of the whole show?
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  Speaker 1: That used to be. We were tossing that up for
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  Speaker 1: the podcast name. Yeah, right. You know what I mean?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: This guy gets it.
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  Speaker 2: Fellas, the CBD today, and I think it's because spring
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  Speaker 2: has sprung, was reeking. With the smell of ganja everywhere
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  Speaker 2: you went. And it was like, holy, holy hell.
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  Speaker 1: I was up and down the bastard there, old Queenstree.
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  Speaker 1: I didn't smell any ganja. Oh, man.
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  Speaker 2: Everywhere we went today, it was just a whoop.
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  Speaker 1: Was it you smoking weed, though? It was your missus
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  Speaker 1: smoking weed.
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  Speaker 2: Was that what it was?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: But also, my wife and I went out and had
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  Speaker 2: a coffee this morning.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: It was about 10.30, beautiful morning in the city it was.
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  Speaker 1: City of sales.
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  Speaker 2: And we're wandering around and there's this dude and he's
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  Speaker 2: drinking a beer outside the coffee club. And we're like.
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  Speaker 3: On the piss at the coffee club?
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  Speaker 2: I don't think the coffee club sells beers.
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  Speaker 3: I don't think so.
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  Speaker 2: But anyway, and we're like, oh, that's an early start.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: And went down to the wharf there and then we
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  Speaker 2: were going back along the bars and there were people
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  Speaker 2: drinking wines and beers and I was like, what the
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  Speaker 2: fuck is going on? It's 10.30 in the morning.
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  Speaker 3: I know what it is.
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  Speaker 2: 10.30 in the morning and then my wife went, well,
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  Speaker 2: you know, it is a really beautiful sunny day and
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  Speaker 2: it's Friday and I was like, it's not fucking Friday.
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  Speaker 3: It's Thursday.
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  Speaker 2: It's Thursday.
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  Speaker 1: You know what it'll be?
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  Speaker 3: It'll be cruise ship people.
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  Speaker 2: But there are no cruise ships. There were the other day.
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  Speaker 3: Right, okay.
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  Speaker 2: But I honestly think it was just the weather. And
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  Speaker 2: people were like, fuck it, should we just have a wine?
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  Speaker 1: A wine? Yeah, that's great.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I've got no issue with it. But
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  Speaker 2: it was just very random.
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  Speaker 1: We've never sort of. That's not wrong.
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  Speaker 2: And, you know, a lot of people, you know, having
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  Speaker 2: their normals on the street there. And I don't know
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  Speaker 2: what dole day was for you, Moby.
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  Speaker 1: Thursday. Thursday for me.
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  Speaker 4: Right.
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  Speaker 2: And then my wife and I, oh, Thursday.
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  Speaker 1: No, I think you're right, actually. Thursday and then your
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  Speaker 1: Tuesday was your DPB, your Domestic Purposes Benefit. And that
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  Speaker 1: would be every fortnight. I don't know if I ever
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  Speaker 1: got that. And then they changed it up towards the
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  Speaker 1: end of my run and they had it that the
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  Speaker 1: paydays wouldn't be on those days that would be spread
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  Speaker 1: across the week so that there wasn't so much of
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  Speaker 1: a stigma attached to it.
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  Speaker 2: Right.
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  Speaker 1: Because I knew if you went into the bank or
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  Speaker 1: anything like that and it was those days, then you're
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  Speaker 1: probably a bludger. Yeah, right. Interesting.
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  Speaker 2: I never knew that. What was the DPB?
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  Speaker 1: Domestic Purpose Benefit was for usually, as a rule, a
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  Speaker 1: single mother. Oh, yes. A solo mother. But you figured
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  Speaker 1: out a way to get it. Yeah, I did, man. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: You latch yourself onto a couple of solo mums, brother.
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  Speaker 1: I tell you what. You're rolling in the cash. No,
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  Speaker 1: he walked in with a pillow up his shirt. Because
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  Speaker 1: that's the thing about solo mums. They have more kids
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  Speaker 1: so that they can be rich, you know?
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  Speaker 3: 100%.
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  Speaker 2: Well, I think we were talking about it the other day,
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  Speaker 2: that guy that did exactly that, that ripped off the
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  Speaker 2: social welfare system And it was lit and had about
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  Speaker 2: 60 different accounts and went and dressed up as these people.
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  Speaker 3: And looked really convincing.
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  Speaker 2: And was convincing. And he was doing such a good
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  Speaker 2: job that he didn't know what to do with all
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  Speaker 2: the money. So he is literally buying gold bullion and putting.
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  Speaker 1: It in his attic.
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  Speaker 2: And he decided to kind of stop and he did
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  Speaker 2: one more or something and that's when they finally got him.
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  Speaker 2: And it was only per chance that they got him
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  Speaker 2: because they were investigating what was going on and they
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  Speaker 2: just couldn't figure it out.
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  Speaker 3: They should make a movie about that.
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  Speaker 2: I think they made a doco about it.
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  Speaker 1: Has they? Yeah, it was fascinating. A Kiwi fella?
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  Speaker 2: A Kiwi fella, yeah. He was making hundreds and hundreds
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  Speaker 2: of thousands.
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  Speaker 1: I knew that story. I just didn't know that they'd
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  Speaker 1: made a doco on him.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, I remember.
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  Speaker 3: Wasn't one of them like his mum?
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  Speaker 2: I can't remember.
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  Speaker 3: Maybe I'm thinking of.
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  Speaker 4: An overseas case, but a dude's mum passed away, but
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  Speaker 4: instead of letting the IID know, he started dressing up like.
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  Speaker 1: Her and going in. And you wrap her up in
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  Speaker 1: tinfoil and you put her under the house, you know?
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  Speaker 1: Because as soon as you bury it, you're cooked. Yeah, right.
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  Speaker 1: You have to keep the body. Is that what you do?
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  Speaker 1: That's just how it goes. Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: But, I mean, what a ruse, eh?
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  Speaker 3: He sounds really familiar with it.
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  Speaker 2: What a ruse. And in the documentary, he talked about
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  Speaker 2: getting tired from going from ATM to ATM, just getting
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  Speaker 2: all the money out.
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  Speaker 1: In the different accounts. Oh, the poor bastards.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. It was like, for fuck's sake.
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  Speaker 4: I would hate to be running some sort of situation
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  Speaker 4: where there's a chance of getting caught at any moment.
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  Speaker 1: Well, there's no end game.
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  Speaker 2: No.
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  Speaker 1: You need an end game. I was watching a bloody
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  Speaker 1: good documentary there. What was it called? Avengers Endgame. Avengers,
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  Speaker 1: that was it. And Robert Downey Jr. No, it's a
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  Speaker 1: guy who was a doco, and he was a fraudster
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  Speaker 1: sort of a fella, you know?
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  Speaker 2: Yes.
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  Speaker 1: And he was in London or somewhere around there, and
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  Speaker 1: he was at a university bar, and there was like a,
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  Speaker 1: A guy at the university who got done for smuggling
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  Speaker 1: guns for the IRA, he was a student. So all
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  Speaker 1: the students were a bit unsettled. And one student went
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  Speaker 1: in and was talking to the barman there. And the
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  Speaker 1: barman said, well, actually, you know, there's a lot going
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  Speaker 1: on at the school. And I can tell you that
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  Speaker 1: because I'm actually an MI5 operative.
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  Speaker 2: Right.
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  Speaker 1: And I'm here undercover. And so then he went off
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  Speaker 1: with this guy. He said, look, I'll be honest with you.
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  Speaker 1: The reason that I'm here talking to you is because
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  Speaker 1: the IRA have targeted you. They think you know something.
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  Speaker 1: So you're going to have to come into protective custody.
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  Speaker 1: Then he took this guy and his missus all over
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  Speaker 1: the country and would get them to get money off
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  Speaker 1: their parents to pay for his protection of them. And
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  Speaker 1: he would put them in safe houses and different places
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  Speaker 1: and then get them jobs. He goes, you're going to
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  Speaker 1: have to go undercover now. You're going to have to
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  Speaker 1: work in this bar. Get them jobs and bars and
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  Speaker 1: then they'd work and all that money would go to him.
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  Speaker 1: And they finally get to the bottom of it. He
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  Speaker 1: had about eight of those people all over the country
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  Speaker 1: and he made millions of pounds off it.
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  Speaker 2: Wow.
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  Speaker 1: A complete fucking... And this one woman... She was doing this,
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  Speaker 1: being taken around, like completely brainwashed. Yes. Being taken around
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  Speaker 1: doing the safe house shit and, you know, here, there
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  Speaker 1: and everywhere, 10 years of her life. Oh, my God. Unbelievable.
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  Speaker 3: How do you think of that shit?
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  Speaker 1: Unbelievable.
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  Speaker 2: The Hauraki Big Show, weekdays from 4 on Radio Hauraki.
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  Speaker 2: Now that's good listening. And it's live.
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  Speaker 1: What are you listening to there?
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  Speaker 2: Oh, me? Oh, sorry. I was listening to the Radio
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  Speaker 2: Hauraki Big Show. Right. Four to seven weekdays.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's quite specific.
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  Speaker 3: And iHeartRadio.
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  Speaker 1: What?
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  Speaker 2: Cheers.
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  Speaker 1: Cheers.
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  Speaker 3: The Hauraki Big Show Podcast.
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  Speaker 2: It's amazing what people will do.
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  Speaker 1: But to be so convincing, how do you even start?
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  Speaker 2: Just the other day, Morgan, and she's a... a very famous,
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  Speaker 2: her case was very famous, I don't know, Peyton or
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  Speaker 2: something like that, and she was convicted of a double murder, right?
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  Speaker 2: And she was quite an intelligent, lovely woman, and they
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  Speaker 2: were interviewing her throughout this documentary. And anyway, and she
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  Speaker 2: was like, I didn't do this. I didn't do this.
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  Speaker 2: But anyway, she was in a maximum security prison, and
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  Speaker 2: she got out, and she was on the run for about-
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  Speaker 2: I think about 140 days. And that would be a nightmare, Keezy.
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  Speaker 2: You're always looking over your back going, fucking hell. So
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  Speaker 2: she got out of this. And anyway, long story short,
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  Speaker 2: they caught her. And then she was in solitary confinement,
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  Speaker 2: which was literally a concrete cell. With nothing in it
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  Speaker 2: apart from a bunk bed for five years. Five fucking years.
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  Speaker 3: But hang on, was it a con or something, the
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  Speaker 3: whole thing?
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  Speaker 2: No, but then the lawyer that was a prosecutor against
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  Speaker 2: her in the double murder case came across this information
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  Speaker 2: and was like, This is bullshit.
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  Speaker 1: She didn't do it.
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  Speaker 2: She didn't actually fucking do this. This is a disgrace.
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  Speaker 2: It was fabricated evidence.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, okay.
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  Speaker 2: And so they took the case back and they said,
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  Speaker 2: this woman shouldn't be in prison. She's been already in
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  Speaker 2: there for 14 years, escaped for 120 days. solitary confinement
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  Speaker 2: for five years, which just fucked her up completely, as
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  Speaker 2: you can imagine. So they go, this is just, this
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  Speaker 2: is ridiculous. So they go back to court. The judge
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  Speaker 2: hears the new case, all the new evidence, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
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  Speaker 2: And then they go, oh, nah, denied.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, wow.
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  Speaker 2: They didn't even look at the case again.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, really?
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  Speaker 3: She was like, Far out.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, that's what she gets.
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  Speaker 2: Well, you know, fucking.
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  Speaker 1: I was waiting for you.
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  Speaker 4: To tell me that it turns out the prison cell
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  Speaker 4: she was in was actually just in someone's backyard.
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  Speaker 1: And it was a ruse.
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  Speaker 3: It was a ruse.
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  Speaker 2: And she stored gold bullion in her ruse.
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  Speaker 1: What?
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  Speaker 3: Because the original, you know, the guy, you know, Ponzi schemes.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I know Ponzi.
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  Speaker 3: The guy, Ponzi, that started them.
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  Speaker 1: That's Ponzi.
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  Speaker 3: That's a Ponzi scheme is what you're thinking of.
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  Speaker 4: But that's where you have a whole lot of counterfeit
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  Speaker 4: jukeboxes and people put money in but nothing plays and
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  Speaker 4: then you just take all the money.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah. Correctamundo. That's what old mate who rang in yesterday,
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  Speaker 1: he said correctamundo to you and that's a Fonzie saying.
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  Speaker 4: Is it?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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  Speaker 3: That's a deep cut.
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  Speaker 1: I like it.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, man. But that Fonzie dude, isn't he the guy
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  Speaker 4: that sold the Eiffel Tower? Like back in the day,
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  Speaker 4: he convinced someone or like some big international that he
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  Speaker 4: owned the rights to the Eiffel Tower and sold it
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  Speaker 4: and then did it again like 10 years later.
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  Speaker 1: Backbone.
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  Speaker 3: And then created ponds. I'm pretty sure it was the
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  Speaker 3: same guy.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, right. Yeah. Absolutely.
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  Speaker 2: Well, this is, you know, the nice thing to sort of,
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  Speaker 2: you know, finish this off, this chitter chat we're having.
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  Speaker 2: The podcast. The social security, the guy that was defrauding
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  Speaker 2: social welfare of all that money went to prison. and
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  Speaker 2: then spent all of his time in prison helping inmates
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  Speaker 2: learn all about tax and accounts and all that sort
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  Speaker 2: of stuff. Well, like the Shawshank Redemption. Yeah, and he
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  Speaker 2: literally got them accounting qualifications, all sorts of stuff.
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  Speaker 3: But then it turned out it was a ruse.
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  Speaker 2: But it was a ruse.
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  Speaker 3: And he was hiding gold bullion in his roof.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, fucking hell. But I don't know, to your question, Casey,
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  Speaker 2: I don't know how people do it. I don't know
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  Speaker 2: how in your mind. It's like people that commit murder
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  Speaker 2: and then don't get caught for 20 years. And, you know,
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  Speaker 2: they must just go, how do you live?
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  Speaker 1: We should do that on the show. How would you
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  Speaker 1: do it?
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  Speaker 3: How'd you get away with murder?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, the perfect murder.
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  Speaker 3: I'd have the body wrapped in tinfoil under the house.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's the first step. Everyone just thinks it's a
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  Speaker 1: roll of tinfoil.
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  Speaker 3: And then I'd dress up as my mum.
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  Speaker 2: Or a heating pipe or something.
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  Speaker 3: Yes. A heating pipe.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, that's just a heating pipe. That's for the heating.
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  Speaker 3: Hey, listen to the big show, 407 Weekdays, Hodaki.