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Are we watching the internet die? | Maintaining Frame 87 · Honey Badger Radio

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  All right, hello everybody, and welcome to Honey Badger Radio. My name
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  is Brian. I'm here with Alison and this is maintaining frame number eighty seven.
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  Are we watching the Internet die? And we're going to be looking at
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  an article from where's your ed at? Is that what it is? Where's
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  your ed at? I think that is probably a takeoff of where's your head
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  at? Where's your head at? Oh, where's your ed at? Yeah?
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  Yeah, because the guy's name is ed name is Edward Zitron. So
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  we're not actually doing something by a crazy feminist today. We're actually doing an
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  analysis of the future of the interwebs. Webs webs webs Okay, yeah,
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  yeah, I mean we'll see, like it's a bit of a different content,
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  but it does relate to everything we see. You know, it is.
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  It is a thing that that is ten you know it's related. It
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  is, it is, I trust me, it is. I chose this
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  topic, by the way, so yeah, I feel like, why are
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  you nobody's even had anything to say about this yet, Like you're already being
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  defensive and no one's literally no one's express an opinion, and they probably do
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  find this an interesting topic. Okay, that's okay because they're nerds. So
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  yeah, I'll stop, I'll stop being neurotic then yeah, yeah, all
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  right, so do you wanna I guess we're gonna be reading through this article.
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  It is long. I read it, but kind of brutal. Is
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  it brutal? Yeah, you didn't read it. You said it was short,
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  but it's not short. So yeah, I thought it was short.
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  Maybe I thought I saw like an ad and I thought it was the end
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  of it. Nope, Oh okay, well, apology, It's all right,
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  All right, let's let's do it. Are we watching the Internet die?
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  It's only a fourteen minute read. Maybe that's why I thought it was short.
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  Oh no, have I disappeared? I wasn't even in this. Oh
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  no, it's okay. My phone was my my microphone was on mute.
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  That's all. So I do have a summary. This might be more useful
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  whatever you think. Okay, all right, a little paranoid about your think?
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  Oh yeah, all right, So this is a summary of the article.
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  I mean, let's you want me to read it because it is a
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  long one. But this is by ed Zitron and he's got a I guess,
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  a blog called Where's Your Head At? And he's writing about the reddit
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  and the Internet Reddit is set to go public. So it's going to go
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  public evaluation six point five billion dollars, with select redditors offered the chance to
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  buy stock at an expected price range of thirty one to thirty four per share.
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  However, the company's financials paint a concerning picture, with Reddit losing ninety
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  eight point eight million dollars on eight hundred and four million dollars of revenue in
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  twenty twenty three and never having turned a profit. CEO Steve Huffman's compensation stands
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  in start contrast, totaling one hundred and ninety three million dollars in twenty twenty
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  three. Reddit's IPO has sparked criticism, with accusations of exploitation leveled against the
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  company for profiting off the unpaid contributions of its users because Reddit was like,
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  you know, people, it's like Wikipedia, right, Like people are just
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  posting on it for nothing. It's not labor. But it turned a massive
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  profit for I guess the people free, not even the shareholders, just just
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  the dude, just the CEO. Yeah, just the CEO for something that
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  doesn't turn a profit. Yeah, exactly. I remember way back when,
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  like I was, I used, I started using Reddit and like two thousand
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  and nine, maybe no, sorry, my dog has decided that he wants
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  to chime in because he wants to try to force me to play with him.
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  And there was one point in time where I was like, I would
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  insert a link to my own website in my posts, and I got slammed
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  for spamming, right or something. No, No, somebody called me out
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  and said, oh, you're not supposed to do that. That's that self
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  promotion. And I'm like, I've never been on a forum in the past
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  that didn't allow you to link to your own website or websites related to your
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  work or whatever. You know, you remember that before Reddit, they had
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  those forums on websites and you'd have your own little signature. You had that
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  at IRC. You don't, well, okay, no, I didn't get
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  the Internet until like way later. There was a period of time where you
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  would most of the interaction on the Internet took place in forums and I r
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  C. Okay, excuse me, no, forums and I r C.
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  And in those places those venues you could create a signature. So it was
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  like you might have a signature on the end of your emails, you'd have
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  a signature on your posts, and you'd have links to whatever, you know,
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  if you had a book, or if you had a website or pretty
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  much that was about it. Like and for every post that you put on,
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  you would be advertising something to do with yourself, so you people could
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  see if they liked your posts, they could see more of your work and
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  more of the things that you did. And then I go on to Reddit
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  and you're not allowed to do that. You just participated readit, you don't
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  put in any links, You're not allowed to self promote. I remember that.
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  It was like the whole culture of Reddit was like no self promotion,
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  no linking to your own website. They even I mean if you were in
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  a forum, you even got slammed if you put too many posts linking to
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  stuff that you had done personally. So there was this huge culture of not
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  do it, like not self promoting, so anti self promotion. Meanwhile,
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  you're contributing to Reddit all of this material. Like I remember reading another article
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  how the Google search has become more and more useless, and it's absolutely true.
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  I've found myself looking at Reddit posts to get information more and more because
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  when I go on gigle, is this annoying to anyone else? My dog
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  is really getting Can you guys hear that? Yeah, we can hear it,
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  But like that's fine, I'm okay, I can deal with it.
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  I mean, I have a dog. I know how he gets. Yeah,
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  well, my dog gets soul much more than any dog that I've ever
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  seen. Okay, let me just let me can Can you just read a
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  bit and then I will deal with the Doggo Yeah, it's fine. So
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  anyway, the platforms move to go public signifies a shift away from prioritizing user
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  experience to appeasing shareholders, a trend epitomized by Huffman's Letter to Investors. This
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  transition aligns with Corey Doctorow's n shittification, which argues that platforms like Reddit are
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  sacrificing quality for shareholder gains. The rise of generative AI further exacerbates this issue,
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  as algorithms prioritize quantity over quality, leading to a homogenization of Internet content
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  and a degradation of user experience. And also, I mean, this is
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  something that I've I've talked with my wife about. AI is going to be
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  used so frequently that it's going to start essentially referencing itself because it will be
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  you know, AI goes out into the Internet and it like finds information,
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  right, but as the information is generated by AI than AI in when looking
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  for information and data will reference itself. It's like an it's gonna I wouldn't
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  say implode, but it's going to get to the point where you know,
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  all of it's all self referential. Right. This is the thing about the
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  art, if you notice, if you do it enough, ai R,
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  it will start to all look the same because it's pulling from itself as a
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  source. So and of course you're like, it's all going to be very
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  very lame. I guess, so scroll down a bit. All right,
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  I want to just conclude what I had to say. I apologize that guy.
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  Yeah, a very very enthusiastic working line German shepherd who considers this time
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  to be his time, not my time. And uh, when I'm talking
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  to people on the internet, he's he expects to to play a game,
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  because I sometimes do that. But okay, So on Reddit, they had
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  this this stigma against self promotion and you couldn't link, and they even if
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  you made an original post linking to something you did, you couldn't do that
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  too often and you might get banned if you did it, like more than
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  once every couple days. And then they do this like the Reddit users made
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  Reddit worthwhile it was their contribution. Without them, there'd be nothing. It
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  was their contribution that made that platform worth a dam right. And like I
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  said, I've done finding myself searching on Reddit for stuff instead of Google,
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  because Google searches, I don't know if you've noticed, are completely useless now
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  are getting very close to useless. Oh they're very useless. Yeah, I
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  don't know what, Like I mean, I still use Duck, DUCG and
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  braves search, but yeah, they're not much better. I don't know that.
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  Like, I'm not really sure if there's like a best search engine,
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  but it's certainly not Google. No, that is really doctored. Yeah,
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  and I've noticed that the writing is getting worse and weirder, like a lot
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  of it, a lot of the stuff that's presented is doesn't seem to be
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  written by somebody who knows English. But anyway, so I would go to
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  Reddit to find stuff. But again, so it was the redditors that made
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  Reddit worthwhile, and they couldn't self promote. And now this individual, the
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  CEO, is taking all of their work and making money off of it,
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  and this is uh. Now I feel even more vindicated when I push back
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  against people who were like, oh, well you can't do that and you
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  can't have a signature and Reddit, and I said, I've never been part
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  of a forum which doesn't allow doesn't reward your participation by allowing you to promote
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  yourself. I find this very suspicious that this is the social attitude here.
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  And of course now there's this. Now they took all of that work and
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  all of the self negation of promoting yourself. You weren't allowed to do that
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  on Reddit, and now you have built of a goal mine for this guy
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  while getting very little out of it, like nothing. You were allowed the
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  users of Reddit were allowed to get nothing out of it. It was a
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  virtue to be to just give for free. Well it's not free anymore,
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  is it. Oh boy? Okay, so let's keep going, all right,
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  want me to read from the article? Then? The Reddit IPO is
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  one of the biggest swindles in corporate history, where millions of unpaid contributors made
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  billions of posts so that CEO Steve Huffman would make one hundred and ninety three
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  million dollars in twenty twenty three, while laying off ninety people and effectively pushing
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  third party apps off the platform by charging exorbitant rates for API access, which
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  in turn prompted several prolonged strikes by users, with some of the most popular
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  subreddits going silent for a short period of time. Reddit in turn effectively coop
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  or coud. I guess these subreddits replacing their long standing moderators with ones of
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  its own, choosing people who could happily tow the party line and reopen them
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  to the public. None of the people that, oh, yeah, I'm
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  sorry, go ahead, No, that's really sleazy. I don't think this
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  is going to be too bad because like, I really don't think we're going
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  to be doing a lot of responding to it. Like, yeah, it's
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  a commentary, but it's not like every single line is some insane statement and
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  then we all yeah and like just spas out over it. Yeah, just
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  keep going. None of the people that spent hours of their lives lovingly contributing
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  to subreddits or performing the vital but thankless role of moderation will make a profit
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  off of Reddit's public listing, but Sam Altman will make hundreds of millions of
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  dollars for his fifty million dollar investment from twenty fourteen, also announced that it
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  had had a cut sixty million or had cut a sixty million dollar rule deal
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  to allow Google to train its models on reddits posts, once again, offering
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  users nothing in return for their hard work. Cool boy again, I remember.
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  Oh no, you can't self promote. That's that's unethical. Mm hmmm,
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  well mm hmm. Huffman's letter to investors Wax is poetic about Redditor's deep
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  sense of ownership over the communities they create, and justifies taking the company public
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  by claiming that he wants quote this sense of ownership to be reflected in real
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  ownership end quote, as he offers them a chance to buy non voting stock
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  in a company that they helped enrich. Huffman ends his letter by saying that
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  Reddit is quote one of the Internet's largest corpuses of authentic and constantly updated human
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  generated experience end quote, or referring to it as the company's quote data advantage
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  and intellectual property end quote, describing Redditor's posts as quote data that constantly grows
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  and regenerates as users converse quote. We're at the end of a vast,
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  multifaceted con of Internet users where ultra rich technologists trick their customers into building their
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  companies for free, and while the trade once seemed fair, it's become apparent
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  that These executives see users not as willing participants in some sort of fair exchange,
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  but as veins of data to be exploitatively mined as many times as possible,
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  given nothing in return other than access to a platform that they may or
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  may not that may or may not work properly. Yeah, this is a
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  oh yeah, go ahead. That's of course editorializing. But I would say
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  that that is uh. I wonder how all the people who were talking about
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  you know, don't self promote how they're feeling about it now. And honestly,
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  the fact that they've made it a virtue, like to be against recognizing
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  your own contribution, against recognizing that you know what, if you're participating in
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  Reddit, maybe you deserve a bit of a tent, you know, a
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  bit of something going back to you. Well, here you go. This
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  is the end result of that of cultivating that virtue the people who embraced it.
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  It also it sounds really communist, but the people who embraced it are
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  now the ones who are most screwed by it. Yeah. And the thing
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  is, too, is it is it really just about money? Because what
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  is what is Reddit? What is there that is valuable? I mean,
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  there's discussions. It's information, right, And I don't mean like private information,
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  I mean like conversations, Like that's what's on Reddit, right, it's
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  not a product, Like what's the product? I mean, you know people
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  will well, maybe I'm wrong. I'm just asking because I don't do Reddit.
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  Like I've go to the men's rights subreddit once in a while just to
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  see if there's anything interesting to talk about, but I don't do I don't
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  have an account there. I don't do anything there. But you know,
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  people will say that, like if you have a social media account like Facebook
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  or Google or Twitter or YouTube or whatever, it is that the product is
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  you because it's your information that you know, like corporations and other groups use
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  to like sell you things and you know, market at you and shit like
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  you'll get Amazon. You'll be having a conversation with somebody and you mentioned something
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  you're interested in, and then suddenly you'll look in the feeds of your social
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  media and you'll see an ad for the thing that you were just talking about.
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  And that's that's all true. I think that is. You know,
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  it's obviously true. They have their phone listens to your conversations and your GPS
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  tell like the government or whoever they know where you are and all that,
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  But what is what is the value in Reddit? What does it have?
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  And I think it's it's more than just like the money it can make.
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  I think that's a tremendous amount of power in the information, the conversational stuff,
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  the sources and the data that's on Reddit. I mean, I don't
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  know what else could be, you know, So yep, I mean,
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  yes, there are ads on Reddit, but I'm seeing there's ads everywhere like
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  you can go to like especially like smaller websites, they tend to have tons
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  of ads because they have to like find a way to monetize a little bit,
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  right, So anyway, just something to think about, Like, you
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  know, I think that, yes, there's a lot of money to be
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  made, but I think there's more than that. I think there's something more
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  powerful, more meaningful that you can get out of owning something like Reddit.
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  So uh, anyway, so we're at the end of a vast I already
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  read that part. This is of course, the crux of Hory Doctorow's and
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  shittification theory, where Reddit has moved from pleasing users to pleasing its business customers
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  to now pleasing shareholders at what will inevitably be inevitably be the cost of the
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  platform's quality. Yeah, what's happening to the web going to be paid?
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  How are the shareholders going to be paid? This thing never turned a profit.
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  I don't know. I mean he's selling shares now, so I don't
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  know how you're gonna make mone unless you're going to turn it into you get
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  change the model so that there's money, or use the ad revenue, because
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  there are ads that run on Reddit, so it could be that. I
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  don't know. M anyway, Well, let's see. Yeah, what's happening
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  to the web is far more sinister than simple greed. Oh yeah, see
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  he even acknowledges that. But the destruction of the user generated Internet, where
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  executives think they found a way to replace human beings making cool things with generative
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  monstrosities trained on data sets controlled and monetized by trillion dollar firms. I can
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  only think of one trillion dollar firm that comes to mind. It's like,
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  the only one I know about. Their ideal situation isn't one where you visit
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  distinct websites with content created by human beings, but a returned to the dark
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  ages of the Internet, where Most traffic ran through a series of heavily curated
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  portals operated by a few select companies, with results generated based on data sets
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  that are increasingly poisoned by generative content built to fill space rather than be consumed
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  by a customer. The algorithms are easily tricked, and the tools used to
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  trick them are becoming easier to use in scale generating, and it's slowly killing
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  the Internet. What was that? Well, if you click on generative content,
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  it goes to an article that says, when AI is trained on AHI
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  generated data, strange things start to happen. Yeah. Wait, where's that
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  where we increasingly poisoned by generative content? Yes, oh yeah, this is
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  this is what I was thinking. When AI is trained on AI generated data,
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  strange things start to happen. Yeah, yep, you can look at
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  that. News can continue to read. All right, Well, yeah,
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  this is a bit long, but I think, like I said, we're
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  not gonna we're not gonna end up like going off on big tangent too many.
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  Yeah, let's just keep going. Okay, uh, degenerative AI.
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  After the world's governments began their above ground nuclear weapons tests in the mid nineteen
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  forties, radioactive particles made their way into the atmosphere, permanently tainting all modern
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  steel production, making it challenging or impossible to build certain machines, such as
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  those that measure radioactivity, because the machines have radioactivity in them because they're in
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  the metal right. As a result, we've a limited supply of something called
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  low background steel, pre war metal that oftentimes has to be harvested from ships
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  sunk before the first detonation of a nuclear weapon, including those dating back to
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  the Roman Empire. I did not know that. Yeah, that's interesting.
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  OK. Generative AI models are trained by using massive amounts of text scraped from
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  the Internet, meaning that the consumer adoption of generative AI has brought a degree
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  of radioactivity to its own data set. As more Internet content is created,
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  either partially or entirely through generative AI, the models themselves will find themselves increasingly
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  inbred, treating themselves on content written by their own models, which are on
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  some level permanently locked in twenty twenty three, before the advent of a tool
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  that is specifically intended to replace content created by human beings. This is a
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  phenomenon that Jthen Sadau he calls habsburg AI, where a system that is so
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  heavily trained on the outputs of other generative AIS that it becomes an inbred mutant,
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  likely with exaggerated grotesque features. In reality, a habsburg AI will be
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  one that is increasingly more generic and empty, a normalized into a slop of
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  andoanodyne business speaks it as its models are trained on increasingly identical content. LinkedIn
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  already a repository of empty headed corpo nonsense, already lets users write generative write
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  generate messages, profiles, and job descriptions using AI, and anything you create
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  using these generative features is immediately fed back into ozures or azures open AI models,
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  owned by its parent company Microsoft, which invested ten billion dollars in open
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  Ai in early twenty twenty three. While LinkedIn is yet to introduce fully automated
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  replies, Chrome extensions already exist to flood the platform with generic responses, eating
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  more genericisms into the mouth of Microsoft and open AIS models. Yeah, that's
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  what I was talking about when I was looking at a lot of the Google
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  content. Now it's like, yeah, it doesn't have any insight, it's
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  incredibly generic and it's repetitive, Like there will be twelve websites the first hit
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  on Google, and they're all basically say the same thing, and you have
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  to learn to actually filter out and try to find something that has a human
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  being in it. And ultimately, when you do that, you get to
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  Reddit because Reddit is mostly created by human beings. I don't know if if
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  that's the case anymore, but that's what I think, that's part of it.
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  I think there must have been like AI deployed even before they made it
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  public. Yeah, there are a lot of articles that had a sameness to
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  them, a genericness to them, and didn't really offer any insight. I've
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  noticed that they're starting to create AI videos too. Oh yeah, yeah,
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  I've seen that AI videos, AI movie scripts, AI articles, AI headlines.
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  I've noticed, like, so, I've been following this Sweet Baby Inc.
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  Gamer Gate two stuff a lot, and I look at what other people
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  are making in terms of videos, and I've seen like this pattern of people
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  making thumbnails that are identical to each other. And I think they're using an
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  AI to do it because they're they don't it's not it's not the same person.
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  They're different users, but their thumbnails all have the same like, I
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  don't know, it's the same layout. You know, it's like the same.
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  There's like an image in the back of like AI generated art of like
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  female video game characters, and over the front there's like a seraph, you
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  know, all caps spont of like a word like you know, esg or
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  or they they hate you or something like that, right, And I was
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  looking at him look seeing that, and I'm like, are they using AI?
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  And then they are they unaware that there are other people that are making
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  identical like almost identical thumbnails, Like you can't really tell them apart, you
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  know, like you you'd have to look at the name of the person making
• 27:26
  the video that just oh, okay, it's it's so and so. But
• 27:30
  yeah, I've seen that. I've seen that. Uh okay, should I
• 27:36
  can keep keep going, Alison, are you there? You drop? No?
• 27:42
  I didn't drop. I actually have like a I think I had.
• 27:45
  Maybe I still might still have like a piece of a metal splinter in my
• 27:51
  finger, which is bothering me. So I was seeing if I could just
• 27:53
  pop it out metal splinter. Yeah. Unfortunately, just before we started the
• 28:00
  show, I was helping Jonathan move my husband move like a bathroom partition in
• 28:07
  the Badger Cave out of the bathroom and into the basement so that we could
• 28:11
  repurpose the room as like a something for like silk screening. And there was
• 28:18
  like a like a bunch of metal slivers because of they're like a screwhole with
• 28:23
  a bunch of metal slivers. And I managed to get something in my finger
• 28:27
  almost immediately too, just as soon as I helped him pick it up.
• 28:32
  Oh, I don't know if I'm working it deeper into my finger anyway.
• 28:36
  So yeah, that's what I was trying to deal with, just because it
• 28:37
  was really uncomfortable. But no, you could continue, all right. So
• 28:47
  generative AI also naturally aligns with toxic incentives created by the largest platforms, Google's
• 28:53
  algorithmic catering to the search engine optimization industry. That's another way of saying,
• 29:00
  we don't we make sure that you don't find what you're looking for, but
• 29:03
  instead you find what we want you to find. Benefits those who can spin
• 29:07
  up large amounts of quote relevant end quote content rather than content created by humans.
• 29:15
  While Google has claimed that their upcoming Core update will help promote quote content
• 29:21
  for people and not to rank in search engines, en quote, it's made
• 29:25
  this promise before, and I severely doubt anything meaningfully changes. After all,
• 29:30
  Google makes up more than eighty five percent of all search traffic and pays Apple
• 29:34
  billions a year to make Google Search the default on Apple devices. And yeah,
• 29:41
  people are too lazy to like even you know, consider an alternative,
• 29:45
  like and they make Google so convenient it's literally everywhere that like normies will just
• 29:52
  use it, right, They're not going to think about it. It's a
• 29:55
  really that's the thing I think this is really about. It's about controlling information.
• 30:00
  You know, like when when when Uncle Alex said, We're in an
• 30:04
  information war. That's literally what this is. The information war is a big
• 30:10
  part of the culture war. So and because these platforms are built to reward
• 30:17
  scale and volume far more often than quality, AI naturally rewards those who can
• 30:22
  find the spammiest ways to manipulate the algorithm. Oral four Media reports that spammers
• 30:26
  are making thousands of dollars from TikTok's creator program by making faceless reels where AI
• 30:33
  generated voices talk over splice together videos ripped from YouTube, and a cottage industry
• 30:38
  of autumn automation gurus are cashing in by helping others flood Facebook, TikTok,
• 30:45
  and Instagram with low effort videos that are irresistible to algorithms. So it's like,
• 30:52
  if you want to make money on like YouTube or TikTok, you don't
• 30:56
  make content for users. You make content for the algorithm, and then you're
• 31:02
  rewarded. You have to please the algorithm. Oh, please our algorithm by
• 31:07
  hitting like on this stream right now. For what it's worth. I don't
• 31:12
  know that it's I mean, if if you guys can give us some likes,
• 31:15
  that'd be great. We prefer we'd appreciate human beings giving likes and not
• 31:21
  you know, the algorithm, because it won't. It doesn't like us.
• 31:22
  It just it just takes from us. It just takes, you know,
• 31:26
  it takes. It's like an abusive spouse that just takes and takes and takes.
• 31:33
  Yeah, it just takes Amazon's kindle what I said, just takes what
• 31:37
  it wants. I don't even know where I'm I where I got that one.
• 31:42
  I'm thinking it's one of one of Mike's cartoons. It just takes what
• 31:51
  it wants. Yeah, or you know this is by the way, this
• 31:57
  is the reason why I think another reason and why we should all just I
• 32:01
  think we should migrate to rumble. I know that like most of you guys
• 32:05
  watch us on YouTube. Actually honestly, well a lot of people watch on
• 32:08
  Twitter too, which is good. But uh, I think I think Rumble
• 32:13
  is better because I can still look at the chat Twitter. Twitter needs to
• 32:16
  like sort out its streaming situation because like, if people want to be in
• 32:22
  the live chat on Twitter, I can't. I can't look at it,
• 32:24
  you know. But with Twitter, but we I think we got started to
• 32:29
  get promoted live on X on Twitter or something. Something happened. Yeah,
• 32:34
  and I'm not I cannot explain, but we're we're getting more traffic through Twitter,
• 32:39
  which is interesting, Like more people are watching on Twitter. Twitter.
• 32:46
  Yeah, I like it now. I like X Yeah. I mean,
• 32:50
  I like the fact that Elon seems to be okay with telling people to go
• 32:55
  screw themselves. I mean, I say what you will. But at least
• 33:00
  we've seen be getting a more more of a shake now on Twitter. But
• 33:06
  you know that's true. But you know, there was there's a pretty big
• 33:10
  Rumble user that used to be on YouTube. He used to be a Fox
• 33:15
  like regular. He would go on for panel discussions and he was a former
• 33:20
  It's like a former FBI and a former New York cop. I think his
• 33:23
  name is Dan Bongino, and he's great. I love I love him.
• 33:28
  He's so like down to earth and blue collar. But anyway, he just
• 33:31
  quit YouTube flat out and went to Rumble. And I'm saying this because Rumble's
• 33:36
  been coming up, like in a serious way. Like he's on Rumble.
• 33:39
  He has like tens of thousands of people that watch him every day of the
• 33:44
  week, and a lot of other people that I like are on Rumble.
• 33:47
  Til Deer is on Rumble, you know, and he does well there.
• 33:52
  And Stephen Crowder did a stream I think, and this is noteworthy because of
• 33:59
  the scale. There was a Republican National Debate and he did a live stream
• 34:05
  like reacting to the to the debate. Now, a lot of people were
• 34:08
  streaming the Republican National Debate on YouTube and other places, but that rumblestream was
• 34:15
  the largest one in the world, like the most people were watching. So
• 34:20
  there are a lot of people on Rumble and it's growing. And Rumble's been
• 34:23
  making a lot of improvements too. They have this thing now called Rumble Studio,
• 34:28
  which is essentially operates like stream yard, so it lets you do like
• 34:32
  post entire podcasts purely through Rumble, which is pretty cool. The only thing
• 34:37
  I'm trying to figure out is how to get OBS to cooperate with it,
• 34:42
  but I'm in I'm working with them right now to figure that out. Anyway,
• 34:46
  I'm saying that, like, I think, you know, YouTube is
• 34:51
  fine, but I think that, like people should please subscribe over on Rumble
• 34:55
  because we'll be like, if we go to Rumble, there's so much more
• 35:00
  or relax about, like not just with the algorithm, but also with in
• 35:05
  terms of like their policies on like you know, copyright and censorship and stuff.
• 35:12
  They're way more chill about that. You know. We get hit for
• 35:15
  weird things on YouTube that I don't get. Like the last new show we
• 35:19
  did, I had this little video clips like thirty seconds long of a TikTok
• 35:22
  video of a guy like asking women a smile, and there was this music
• 35:27
  over the top of it. It was a thirty second clip, and YouTube
• 35:30
  flagged it like bandit in Russia or something. I don't know if there's any
• 35:34
  Russians watching, but that's probably why you couldn't watch that show. And then
• 35:37
  I'm not like okay, and so I go in and I edit it to
• 35:43
  like mute that section, so there's no music and it still got hit even
• 35:46
  though there was no sound. But on Rumble, it the full thing is
• 35:50
  there. You can just watch it like there's no issues. I mean,
• 35:53
  I think it's still on Twitch and Twitter as well, because I think that
• 35:57
  they generally are relaxed, but YouTube's been tightening Google in general, they've been
• 36:01
  tightening their grip a lot. So I'm just saying, like, if we
• 36:06
  can all, if we can get everybody on Rumble, that would be such
• 36:09
  a relief. We can just do everything there. We could do with the
• 36:12
  after shows there, we can do like a thing where we maybe we start
• 36:15
  a video on YouTube and we get to a certain point and then we end
• 36:17
  it and then we just continue the rest of the show on Rumble or Twitch
• 36:21
  or Twitter and or all of those. You know, that's not a problem,
• 36:24
  but I think it's something that would be worth looking into or exploring.
• 36:29
  So please subscribe to our Rumble. It's in the description. There's a link
• 36:32
  there. It's HB Radio at Rumble. I'm gonna shamelessly plug it. So,
• 36:38
  okay, I will say one thing, YouTube and its competition for Twitter
• 36:44
  or TikTok is doing a different things with it with its shorts, which I
• 36:52
  think it's almost like a little bit of a loophole at this point. So
• 36:58
  I mean I got some attention through shorts. In twenty twenty two, I
• 37:04
  walked away to do my writing because I felt that ultimately YouTube attention isn't going
• 37:08
  to be the solution to this thing, or it won't be. And I'm
• 37:14
  not saying that my writing is a solution, but I think it's more in
• 37:16
  line with what the solution could be. So that's where I was going.
• 37:22
  But if you are interested in this topic and you want to put together work,
• 37:27
  I suggest going into YouTube shorts, YouTube shorts, rumble streams, and
• 37:32
  maybe Twitter streams. Though that's the way to go in my opinion, because
• 37:37
  I think the ha to in order to compete with TikTok YouTube has had to
• 37:43
  relax something abo about shorts. It really gave me an eye opener because they
• 37:47
  don't have we aren't suffering an algorithmic penalty. I believe through the shorts,
• 37:53
  like the algorithm already has decided which creators it prefers, and that algorithm is
• 38:00
  also weighted. We know that it's weighted because I have seen or read feminist
• 38:07
  organizations who have those back doors into YouTube that we found out that Twitter used
• 38:13
  to have for government organizations, and they basically tell YouTube, you gotta you
• 38:21
  gotta reduce this scope of this content. You gotta take your algorithm and make
• 38:24
  it give it a penalty to this content. And we know that men's issues
• 38:28
  content has a penalty in the algorithm. I'm not so sure it's true about
• 38:31
  the shorts. So when I was doing the shorts for three months in twenty
• 38:36
  twenty two, we got more hits on YouTube than we have gotten in the
• 38:40
  years, aside from like maybe Karen's channel in the years that we've been doing
• 38:46
  Honey Badger Radio. And yes, I know it was I'm still sort of
• 38:51
  wrestling with the fact that I walked away from that. But in a lot
• 38:53
  of cases, I was looking at those hits. I mean, it was
• 38:58
  a lot of attention, but on the other hand, it didn't translate into
• 39:00
  a lot of interaction, and it didn't translate into a lot of like community
• 39:06
  building, and I had to sort of make a decision about where to put
• 39:09
  my focus. But I think that the for now and maybe until TikTok actually
• 39:15
  kills YouTube, YouTube is going to take its finger off the algorithm for the
• 39:22
  shorts because it's looking at its own demise. That's my opinion. I could
• 39:27
  be completely wrong. Anyway, we probably should continue here. Oh wait,
• 39:30
  yeah, I gotta good. I got a superchow. Do you want to
• 39:36
  do thank yous? Yes, I'm going to do some thank yous. You
• 39:37
  do the super chows. I want to thank Craig C for putting through twenty
• 39:44
  five dollars, which he does every month, so thank you, all right,
• 39:47
  thank you. He's a long term supporter and absolutely I also want to
• 39:53
  thank the Great Indoors who put through fifty dollars to the fundraiser, which is
• 39:59
  a feedbadgery dot com slash support And I just want to do a good shout
• 40:01
  out to Great Indoors because he also sponsored the last after shows or maybe it
• 40:07
  wasn't the last after show, oh the last fundraiser thing, No Lilith.
• 40:13
  He was the one the Lilith after show. Yeah, yeah, right after
• 40:15
  show. So thank you for sponsoring there Lilith after show. Mashpoone is too
• 40:21
  big and which may may inspire a discussion of Lilith with Janie Fumingo. Has
• 40:28
  she actually responded, Yeah, I haven't heard from her yet but I'm hoping
• 40:30
  to get Janis on. I think I think she could go on for hours
• 40:34
  about the romantics. I could give her a poke and maybe she'll yeah,
• 40:38
  you have more pull than me. Well yeah, well, I mean she
• 40:43
  might not really know who you are. No. I mean it's because it's
• 40:47
  there's a lot of like, I know it's not my name. I know
• 40:51
  it's not your name, and you know she's she might be a little uh,
• 40:58
  you know, she doesn't keepy. I can't keep track of everybody's name,
• 41:01
  Like everybody are patrons. There's some patrons who have like five different screen
• 41:06
  names and you have to figure out which one and then not say the real
• 41:09
  name, you know, it's It can get really confusing. All right,
• 41:14
  let's let's read a bit more. All right, wait, wait, oh
• 41:16
  I got the suit. I want to read the super Chow. Sorry,
• 41:20
  So I got a super child from Great Indoors. Thank you Great Indoors for
• 41:24
  ten dollars. And he says, sounds like these developments will incentivey technological grassroots
• 41:30
  counter movement. With an AI inward spiral on the horizon, it becomes almost
• 41:35
  a necessity, or so I think. Yeah, I mean, I think
• 41:38
  they're like I don't know, like there's a lot of like pessimism that I
• 41:44
  see around me, but I do think that everything will flatten now and we're
• 41:47
  gonna, like we're gonna want to hear from like you know, flesh and
• 41:51
  blood human beings. You know, people talk about like how AI art is
• 41:53
  killing art. I don't think it is. I think people can see AI
• 41:58
  art like you there or what reason? You can recognize it right away.
• 42:02
  It's a little too clean, it's you know, it's just I think the
• 42:07
  same is true for everything people can tell when that we have a we have
• 42:10
  an instinct for what is human and what is not so, and people are
• 42:14
  gonna want that. But I mean then and there are people who are a
• 42:17
  bit more base that are making AI so we'll see what happens with that.
• 42:22
  No, I'm not talking about Elon Musk. Before you jump up on my
• 42:24
  throat, I'm not talking about him. But like you know, Andrew Torba
• 42:29
  is working on an AI, uh supposedly for Gab, I think, and
• 42:34
  who knows who else. I mean, like you know, but but maybe
• 42:37
  like it's okay that we aren't reliant on that. Maybe it's okay if it
• 42:44
  exists simply as a kind of support resource and that we instead rely on our
• 42:49
  own abilities. So I I'm with great indoors on that personally. So anyway,
• 42:58
  uh where was I? So? Amazon's Kindle ebook platform has been flooded
• 43:05
  with AI generated content that briefly dominated bestseller lists, forcing Amazon to limit authors
• 43:10
  to publishing three books a day. Holy craft, that's funny. Who the
• 43:14
  hell's buying that? Like, if you're like, who's buying that? I
• 43:16
  guess you could just it's probably not chat GPT, It's probably like something more
• 43:22
  advanced, but but it's it's funny. This hasn't stopped spammers from publishing awkward
• 43:28
  rewrite rewrites and summaries of other people's books, and because Amazon's policies don't outright
• 43:34
  ban AI generated content, chat GPT has become an inoperable cancer on the body
• 43:38
  of the publishing industry. I wonder if Chuck Tingle books are considered AI pounded
• 43:46
  in the butt by the ghost of my own butt? Do you remember those?
• 43:51
  Yes? And then he sided with I think Zoe Quinn, didn't he
• 43:55
  Yeah, he had. He was working on a project with her, like
• 43:59
  a game. I don't know that he took aside like ideologically, but he
• 44:02
  was or she claimed that he was working on something with her, but nothing
• 44:07
  ever came out of it, because maybe it was just an empty claim.
• 44:10
  Yeah, it was probably just an empty claim. I mean, Zoe Quinn
• 44:15
  doesn't accomplish anything, so that involves being vertical anyway. But anyway, uh
• 44:23
  so, let's let's continue handmade goods huh. Okay, keep going. Sorry,
• 44:32
  I was handmade goods store Etsy. Even Etsy has its own AI problem,
• 44:37
  with Atlantic reporting last year that the platform has now pumped full of AI
• 44:43
  generated art shirts and mugs that in turn used chat gbt to optimize listings to
• 44:47
  rank highly in Google Search. As a profitable public company, Etsy has little
• 44:52
  incentive to change things, even if the artist's artisanal products on the platform are
• 44:58
  being crowded out by generative art paste it on drop shipped shirts. Debay,
• 45:04
  on the other hand, is leaning into the spam, offering tools to generate
• 45:07
  entire listings based on a single image using generative AI. The Wall Street Journal
• 45:13
  reported last year that magazines are now inundated with AI generated pitches for articles,
• 45:19
  and renowned sci fi publisher Clark's World. That's I guess Arthur C. Clark
• 45:22
  is What's named after was forced to close submissions after receiving an overwhelming amount of
• 45:28
  AI generated stories. Help a reporter out used to be a way for journalists
• 45:32
  to find potential sources and quotes, except requests are now met with a deluge
• 45:37
  of AI generated spam. These stories are, of course, all manifestations of
• 45:44
  a singular problem that generative artificial intelligence is poisoned for an Internet dependent on algorithms.
• 45:52
  There are simply too many users, to many websites, and too many
• 45:55
  content providers to manually organize and curate the contents of the Internet, making algorithms
• 46:00
  necessary for platforms to provide a service. Generative AI is a perfect tool for
• 46:06
  soullessly churning out content to match a particular set of instructions, such as those
• 46:10
  that an algorithm follows. While an algorithm can theoretically be tuned to evaluate content
• 46:15
  as human eu me, so can scale content be tweaked to make it seem
• 46:23
  more human okay I said. I said in the future that men's rights anything
• 46:31
  will be used to determine whether or not content is human generated, because the
• 46:37
  algorithm will never generate men's rights content AI. Because the AI will not generate
• 46:43
  it because it is selected against in the algorithm. So the unopening left of
• 46:47
  humanity will be us in our own little freaking island outside of the AI storm.
• 46:54
  That's funny. Yeah it is. We're gonna be it, and it
• 46:59
  will be because the algorithm won't touch us or doesn't like us. Oh man,
• 47:06
  go well, I hope you well, I said, And and like
• 47:07
  hunter gatherer tribes and people who are off the grid, like the men of
• 47:12
  Rates or something. Yeah, we're going to be the only the only thing
• 47:15
  left after the AI holocaust. Oh ship, am I allowed to use that
• 47:23
  term? Yeah? I think it's better than hold of the more Okay,
• 47:30
  yeah, which I just used. Okay, well yeah, so there yeah,
• 47:37
  yeah, Well we're beneath its notice be frank okay, so that that
• 47:45
  mark this down, guys. Something being about men's issues, men's vulnerabilities,
• 47:51
  men's experience, for women's responsibility or women any kind of blaming women that will
• 47:58
  be in the future an indication that a person is behind that content and not
• 48:06
  the AI. Yeah. Oh god, okay, all right. Things get
• 48:15
  worse when you realize that the sheer volume of Internet content makes algorithmic recommendations a
• 48:22
  necessity to sift through an ever growing pile of crap. Generative AI allows creators
• 48:29
  to weaponize the algorithms as weaknesses to monetize and popularize low effort crap. And
• 48:35
  ultimately, what is a platform to do? Ban anything that uses AI generated
• 48:39
  content adjusts the algorithm to penalize videos without people's faces. How does a platform
• 48:45
  judge the difference between a popular video and a video that the platform made popular?
• 48:50
  And if these videos are made by humans and enjoyed by humans, why
• 48:52
  should it stop them. Google might pretend it cares about the quality of search
• 48:59
  results, but nothing about searches decade long decline has suggested that it's actually going
• 49:04
  to do anything. Google spam policies have claimed for years that scraped content outright
• 49:09
  ripping the content of another website was grounds for removal from Google. But even
• 49:15
  the most cursory glands at any news search shows how often sites thinly rewrite or
• 49:22
  outright steal others content. Okay, I can't get in on that. I
• 49:24
  can't I need to get in on that. That's okay, Okay, news
• 49:28
  sites repeating others contents That isn't because necessarily they're stealing it. It's because they
• 49:34
  all come from a central like there's only a few companies that own all of
• 49:38
  these news outlets, and they just based spread these articles. I mean,
• 49:43
  like gamers don't have to be your audience. Yeah, And I mean I
• 49:45
  noticed this back in like the nineties, and I'm like, wow, all
• 49:51
  of these articles are just repetitions of the same thing and with corporate media,
• 49:55
  and it's because they're very centralized. And interestingly enough, a lot of like
• 50:01
  you might would you might consider fiscally conservative or conservative companies actually own left wing,
• 50:08
  left wing media. So that's that's a head scratcher. But let's let's
• 50:13
  continue with this one. Well, actually it's not really that surprising when you
• 50:16
  realize that, like, yeah, there is like an elite class and there's
• 50:22
  a lot of like fake fighting that happens. But and I think a lot
• 50:27
  of it is is like, yeah, it's well, well, you guys
• 50:30
  heard about what happened with Cannas. Owen's right, she left the Daily Wire
• 50:34
  because she got into a fight with Benjapiro. That's a perfect example because like
• 50:38
  those guys, they're not really like they're not really on the side that they
• 50:44
  that you think. You know, Steven Krowder talked about that this kind of
• 50:46
  corporate neo con bullshit that is not much different from the left at all and
• 50:53
  needs to be called out so anyway, uh and I can't express enough how
• 50:59
  bad yet in every the existence of the forty billion dollars search engine optimization industry
• 51:04
  is, and how much of a boon being able to semi automate the creation
• 51:07
  and optimization of content through the standards of an algorithm that Google has explained in
• 51:13
  exhaustive detail. While it's plausible that Google might genuinely try to fight and fight
• 51:19
  the influx of SEO generated articles, one has to wonder why it had bothered
• 51:22
  to try now, after spending decades catering to the industry. As we speak,
• 51:30
  the battle that platforms are fighting is against generative spam, a cartoonish and
• 51:35
  obvious threat of outright nonsense, meaningless chum that can, that can and should
• 51:40
  and likely will be stopped in the process. They're failing to see that this
• 51:45
  isn't a war against spam, but it's a war against crap and the overall
• 51:50
  normalization and intellectual numbing that comes when content is created to please algorithms and provide
• 51:57
  a minimum viable product for consumers's useless results. Problem isn't one born of content
• 52:02
  that has no meaning, but of content that only sort of helps, that
• 52:07
  is the right result, but doesn't actually provide any real thought behind it,
• 52:12
  like the endless how to fix error code x results full of well meaning and
• 52:16
  plausibly plausibly helpful content that doesn't really help at all. Yep, that's that's
• 52:22
  exactly what I was describing at the beginning. And by the way, this
• 52:25
  article is not unpleasant to read, unlike feminist articles. And I mean that
• 52:31
  an objective sense, like it's every paragraph has something new to add. It
• 52:37
  isn't a con a long fictionalized like extend you like this, this kind of
• 52:47
  fictionalized, dramaticized you know what I'm talking about, This dramaticized victimhood. Yeah,
• 52:55
  you know like that it feels like there's something worth reading in every pair
• 52:59
  of rather than just you oh yeah, for sure on a story. We're
• 53:04
  going on a journey. That's like. Yeah. That the like when you
• 53:07
  read like a mel magazine article and it's making a claim and you're like,
• 53:12
  okay, let's find out, and then it turns into this like freaking fan
• 53:15
  fiction for like five paragraphs before they even get to anything, and then it
• 53:21
  ends up being an ad for some product. Yeah. Yeah, and by
• 53:27
  the way, buy our butt plugs. Yeah. A lot of a lot
• 53:30
  of feminist articles just feel pointless, like crap, honestly. Mm hmmm.
• 53:37
  And I like, I sometimes get into arguments on Twitter and then I will
• 53:40
  say something that I consider to be pretty devastating, and other people who follow
• 53:45
  me on Twitter Twitter often will say, well, that's over, and then
• 53:49
  the person will just keep going like a top spinning down, like reams upon
• 53:52
  reams upon reams of irrelevancies, you know. And I'm like, do you
• 53:57
  think that the fact that you're continueing to speak means you'd won? Nom?
• 54:02
  Hm, just means that you are attempting to locate a win in a whole
• 54:08
  bunch of verbal spaghetti. Yeah, that's that's basically it. Just like I'm
• 54:15
  going to bury my opponent in verbal spaghetti and then that will mean that I
• 54:19
  won. Yep, not so much. Okay, let's keep going. Oh
• 54:24
  okay. The same goes for Etsy and Amazon. While Etsy spam is an
• 54:32
  existential threat to actual artisans building something with their hands, it's not actual spam.
• 54:39
  It's cheaply made crap that nevertheless fulfills the need or a need and sort
• 54:44
  of fits at Etsy's remit. Amazon doesn't have any incentive to get rid of
• 54:49
  low quality books that sell for the same reason that it doesn't get rid of
• 54:52
  its other low quality items. People aren't looking for the best. They're looking
• 54:57
  for to fulfill a need, even if that need it's fulfilled with poorly constructed
• 55:00
  crap. Platforms likely conflate positioning with popularity feeling to see the self fulfilling prophecy
• 55:07
  of an algorithm making stuff popular because said stuff is built to please the algorithm,
• 55:13
  creating more demand for content to please the algorithm. Viral content is no
• 55:17
  longer a result of lots of people deciding that they find something interesting. It's
• 55:22
  a condition created by algorithms manipulated by forces that are getting stronger and more nuanced
• 55:27
  thanks to generative AI. We're watching the joint hyper scaling and hyper normalization of
• 55:32
  the Internet, where all popular content begins to look the same to appeal to
• 55:37
  algorithms run by companies obsessed with growth. Quality control in AI models only exist
• 55:43
  to stop people from nakedly exploiting the network through unquestionably inubiquitous intent or iniquitous Sorry
• 55:52
  iniquitous intent, rather than people making shitty stuff that kind of sucks. It
• 55:57
  gets popular because an algorithm says. So. This isn't a situation where these
• 56:02
  automated tools are giving life to new forms of art or interesting new concepts,
• 56:07
  but regurgitations of an increasingly less unique Internet. Because these models are trained on
• 56:13
  data drawn from the Internet, like a plant turning to capture sunlight, parts
• 56:17
  of the Internet have already twisted towards the satisfaction of algorithms, and as others
• 56:22
  become dependent on generative AI, like Quorra, which now promotes chat GPT and
• 56:28
  generated answers at the top of results. So will the Web become more dependent
• 56:32
  and dictated by automated systems? Yeah, I don't read those chat GPT generated
• 56:38
  answers. How do you know you're when you're getting them? Oh, because
• 56:44
  Cora does tell you that this is a generated answer. Yeah. I've talked
• 56:47
  to chat GBT before and you can usually tell because of how careful it is.
• 56:57
  It just looks, you know, it has a There is a way
• 57:00
  that it produces information that that looks like AI. I can't explain it,
• 57:05
  just the way. It's an intuitive it's an intuition you have about it.
• 57:08
  I get it, I get it. It's just the it's the object permanence
• 57:12
  that humans have that some humans have feminists. Feminists often seem to not have
• 57:15
  it. But and these I think, the women calling out the Pickmishas and
• 57:21
  the pigmies, they don't seem to have object permanence, but everybody else sort
• 57:24
  of has. Op. You know what, I just had a I just
• 57:28
  had an insight. Uh. Mike created this cartoon where he called women like
• 57:34
  Hannah Cox and manifestel apex predators from another dimension that don't realize that they're leaving
• 57:39
  behind a permanent trail of their behavior. And I realized that, you know,
• 57:45
  what's happening, and what maybe the source of all a lot of this
• 57:50
  chaos. And it's not necessarily a bad thing, but all of the stuff
• 57:55
  that women used to do that would just diss all of the soul social stuff
• 58:00
  that women specifically I'm not even talking like the average woman, but like the
• 58:06
  social paths that are women, the female social paths. All the social stuff
• 58:10
  that they would do, all the destructive social stuff that they would do,
• 58:14
  is now there's a paper trail. It used to be most of human history.
• 58:19
  It would just disappear and we would just be left with the record record,
• 58:23
  the anal anals. What they the annals, I'm so sorry that was
• 58:34
  bad, the annals of history. We would be left with all such and
• 58:38
  such king declared war on such and such duke and whatever else, and you
• 58:44
  wouldn't see all of the mean girl crap that preceded it. But now now
• 58:49
  it's yet never forgets. So yeah, the internet never forgets. And the
• 58:53
  primary way that women are socializing is on the Internet. So they are leaving
• 58:59
  this paper trail. The receipts are there, and I wonder how much longer
• 59:04
  they can blame men for you know, hey, look, this is your
• 59:07
  choice and your behavior. I mean, they're continuing to because they still insist
• 59:13
  that it's men that bully other women on the internet. Although and I was
• 59:16
  telling you, like today, how since our content has been noticed by women,
• 59:24
  I have had much much, much more insults to my appearance than I
• 59:30
  have ever had in the ten years when our content was pretty much invisible to
• 59:35
  women and only consumed by men. Like I've never experienced this level of abuse
• 59:43
  about my appearance until women started to notice me. And I'm like, wow,
• 59:50
  that's I mean, they're giving me insecurities. I never I never even
• 59:53
  had a word for oh my freaking god, Like, okay, is this
• 1:00:00
  it's like to be in women's like to be more target cross hairs, well
• 1:00:05
  not just cross hairs, but to be in their society of women like this.
• 1:00:08
  It's like it's awful. It's awful. And I was I was thinking,
• 1:00:13
  like it's I think there are women who who are just so sick of
• 1:00:17
  it, well nowhere to go? Yeah, well, I mean that like
• 1:00:22
  why is it whenever they talk about like how much online abuse girls suffer,
• 1:00:29
  where like nut's coming from other girls? Yes, Like that's that's it right
• 1:00:32
  there. I mean anyone who's honest with themselves knows, you know, like
• 1:00:38
  that, like yeah, that's where it comes. Like the worst a man
• 1:00:42
  will be, it will tell you is like you know that they fucked your
• 1:00:45
  mom or something. But like that bird, well, I mean they yeah,
• 1:00:49
  girl too, but just not to this level and not with this level
• 1:00:52
  of dedication. Like and I'm just like remember that first Hannah Cox video on
• 1:01:00
  the PEC Meshas or the Pickmies. The the first woman just was sad that
• 1:01:06
  she couldn't have relationships with women because they were just so brutal and and she
• 1:01:14
  and and Hannah Cox was like, oh that's not pick me. And she
• 1:01:16
  wasn't even like complaining like, oh, other women are are taking away my
• 1:01:21
  my merms. You know, I want my I wanna they're taken away my
• 1:01:25
  guy, you know, like the they're taking to my job gerbs. You
• 1:01:30
  know, like she wasn't even doing that. It wasn't even about women being
• 1:01:35
  a threat to her in terms of men, or even about men at all.
• 1:01:38
  It was just about her sadness that the communities, the female communities she'd
• 1:01:44
  been part of, were so toxic. And she's not wrong. I mean
• 1:01:49
  I was, Bree. I've been sort of hanging out in an online community
• 1:01:52
  with a higher number of women, and honestly, it's exhausted because you have
• 1:02:00
  to it feels like you're constantly walking on eggshells. And then I go,
• 1:02:04
  oh yeah, and then I go back to like our community at bagination dot
• 1:02:08
  online, and there are some women in our community. I mean, it's
• 1:02:12
  not a huge amount of women. I think that we've consistently had about six
• 1:02:15
  percent natural uh, just women being interested in what we have to say,
• 1:02:20
  or or just being more masculine women and so and I'm thinking, like,
• 1:02:28
  it's so much nicer to hang out with those women because I know, I
• 1:02:32
  mean, we have had trouble with women causing drama in the discord, but
• 1:02:38
  not so much lately. And it's just so relaxed because you just you know,
• 1:02:42
  you talk about your interests, you share pictures of cats, and that's
• 1:02:45
  it. Nobody's tearing each other down, nobody's insulting each other, nobody's freezing
• 1:02:52
  each other out or playing virtuous games or using feminism to force other people to
• 1:02:57
  do things they don't want to do. You know, it's it's just a
• 1:03:00
  chill space that isn't coercive. And I'm like, is this how you ladies
• 1:03:07
  want to live? And then it's just absurd to see a woman call that
• 1:03:12
  out and then Hannah Cox calls her a pick me and doesn't even engage with
• 1:03:16
  what she's saying and then does the same thing she's doing calling out other women,
• 1:03:22
  except she literally Hannah Cox is saying, well, this woman who's calling
• 1:03:27
  out other women for making this this this this community toxic for women. So
• 1:03:32
  she's like, I value other women's company, but I can't experience it when
• 1:03:39
  the culture is so toxic, and Hannah's like, oh, that's a pick
• 1:03:44
  mey, And then she turns around and she basically complains about women who are
• 1:03:47
  threatening her desirability to men. I'm like, are you fucking kidding me?
• 1:03:54
  Do you understand the difference there? One is complaining about the criticism comes from
• 1:04:00
  a position of wanting to have relationships with women, and the other is coming
• 1:04:03
  from the position of wanting to have more power over men. Do you see
• 1:04:09
  the difference? Isn't one more like a pigmy? Yeah? Anyway? Yeah,
• 1:04:15
  crazy, Well, you know there it is. I think pick me
• 1:04:17
  is like it's just projection again, you know. Yeah, in one way,
• 1:04:24
  there's also like a desire to like essentially make sure that women are all
• 1:04:29
  on the same side when it comes to like being antagonistic towards men. Is
• 1:04:33
  that like ultimately what that? You know? Because if a woman is not
• 1:04:36
  inherently antagonistic towards a man, then she's like she's a pick mey. That's
• 1:04:42
  where it comes from. And it's like, well, there's no basis for
• 1:04:44
  that. You're just saying, you know, like not hating men means that
• 1:04:48
  you want them their attention, Like what how? How did you get here,
• 1:04:51
  lady? How did you come to be alive in this world today?
• 1:04:57
  Like you know? But they don't get it. I mean they will,
• 1:05:02
  it will and when they when they do enough suffering. But well, okay,
• 1:05:08
  just before you continue, it's just that they need to blame men because
• 1:05:15
  they can't take responsibility for their own behavior. And because they can't take responsibility
• 1:05:19
  for their own behavior, their communities become more and more toxic to other women,
• 1:05:26
  and they and they and they destroy any kind of mentorship between women,
• 1:05:30
  any kind of sense of community and camaraderie ship, and then they just blame
• 1:05:34
  men more. And if you're going to be a woman who does that,
• 1:05:39
  you're never going to get out of that cycle until you stop blaming men for
• 1:05:43
  your own bad behavior, for your own shadow self. That was something Nancy
• 1:05:48
  Friday said. She was a feminist who did a bunch of a series of
• 1:05:53
  books on women, women and men's secret sexual fantasies, and she she said
• 1:06:00
  that that women project their shadow onto men. But as long as you do
• 1:06:06
  that as a woman, you are never going to be able to resolve the
• 1:06:11
  toxicity of communities that are predominantly are basically dominated by women, which means you're
• 1:06:16
  never really going to get away from men, and it's gonna and it's just
• 1:06:20
  it's it's not something tenable, and it's it's extremely uncomfortable to be part of
• 1:06:26
  it. I remember just leaving that community and I'm like, oh god,
• 1:06:30
  I just need to hang out with a woman who isn't a lunatic. So
• 1:06:32
  I went back to our community and we were just I just ended up talking
• 1:06:36
  with one of the women there, you know, and it's like, oh
• 1:06:40
  that is so it's like it is a palette cleanser, you know what I
• 1:06:44
  mean. Yeah, and we're just we're just geeking out on things that we
• 1:06:47
  enjoy. And yeah. So it's and it's going to continue to get worse
• 1:06:55
  because women like this are allowed not to take responsibility for their behave, even
• 1:07:00
  when it comes to their behavior to women. You know, that's not satisfying
• 1:07:04
  you saying well, I'm abusing you because of patriarchy's beauty standards, and and
• 1:07:12
  it's like, no, you're doing it because you're a bit Yeah, nothing
• 1:07:18
  to do with patriarchy. Okay, all right, I got I got some
• 1:07:23
  super child's so I'm gonna read them really quick. Richard Bierre gives us five
• 1:07:27
  bucks and says, so only now as they're complaining that contributions to the Reddit
• 1:07:30
  forum should be monetized. Someone obviously hasn't looked into the logistics of this so
• 1:07:35
  far. Sounds like someone complaining that the communist revolution didn't result in something becoming
• 1:07:41
  the artist that the revolutionary movement promised to them. And then he gives another
• 1:07:47
  five dollars and says. There is this clip from a call in radio show
• 1:07:53
  where the caller asked the host to contact someone who she slept with who turned
• 1:07:58
  out to be the one her son had bullied in high school. Remember when
• 1:08:02
  girls used to keep their diary private and locked. Now they post everything on
• 1:08:06
  the internet. Well, maybe there's some benefits. That's a lot of references
• 1:08:13
  there. I'm not even sure what the heck he's saying. There's a clip
• 1:08:15
  from a call in show where the caller asked who hosts to contact someone who
• 1:08:20
  she slept with who turned out to be the one that had hurt her son
• 1:08:25
  had bullied in high school. What the fuck? I can't even parse that?
• 1:08:30
  Kend you, So this woman slept with her son's bully. Oh,
• 1:08:39
  it's like Stiffler's mom. No, no, no, no, no,
• 1:08:44
  no, no, she slept with the kid her son bullied. Oh oh
• 1:08:49
  oh, she slept with the kid that her son had bullied. Yeah,
• 1:08:53
  yeah, Stiffler's mom. No, it's no. Actually, you got me
• 1:08:56
  an assist there, Brian, because you interpreted the first part of that,
• 1:09:00
  and then I managed to be able to come through at the last part.
• 1:09:03
  Okay, that was a hard one. Okay, thank you, thank you,
• 1:09:06
  Richard. Shall we continue? Yeah, that was a bit of a
• 1:09:12
  puzzle, all right. The ultimate problem is that this more ass of useful
• 1:09:17
  uselessness will lead companies like Google to force their generative AIS to fix the problem
• 1:09:24
  by generating answers to sift through the craft Amazon Amazon now summarizes reviews using generative
• 1:09:30
  AI, legitimizing the thousands of faked and paid for reviews on the platform and
• 1:09:35
  presenting them as verified and trusted information from Amazon itself. Google has already been
• 1:09:41
  experimenting with its search generative experience that summarizes entire articles on iOS and Chrome,
• 1:09:47
  and Microsoft's Being Search has already integrated summaries from Copilot, with both basing their
• 1:09:54
  answers off of a combination of search and training data. Yet in doing so,
• 1:10:00
  forms gain a dangerous hole in the world's information. Google's deal with Reddit
• 1:10:03
  also gave it real time access to reddit its content, allowing it to show
• 1:10:09
  Reddit posts natively in search and directly access Reddit post data for training purposes.
• 1:10:15
  Yet, at some point these portals will generate an answer based off of the
• 1:10:18
  data they have or have access to, in the case of Tumbler and WordPress,
• 1:10:24
  rather than linking you to a place where you can find an answer by
• 1:10:27
  reading something created by another person. There could be a future where the majority
• 1:10:30
  of web users experience the web through a series of portals like arc Searches Browse
• 1:10:35
  for me feature, which visits websites for you and summarizes their information using the
• 1:10:41
  GI Right now, the Internet is controlled by a few distinct techs. Uh
• 1:10:45
  oh uh oh, I've realized they're in the Dystopia sweepsakes there. I think
• 1:10:51
  that there's an actual one that's come out ahead. I can't give you the
• 1:10:55
  name. I'd have to think about it for a second. Continue, but
• 1:10:59
  I'm I've just had a brain wave, So depending on that, I'm going
• 1:11:03
  to find that naming all right. But right now, the Internet is controlled
• 1:11:08
  by a few distinct platforms, each one intent on interrupting the exploratory and creative
• 1:11:14
  forces that made the Web great. I believe that their goal is to intrude
• 1:11:17
  on our ability to browse the Internet, to further obfuscate the source of information
• 1:11:23
  while playing or paying the platforms for content that makes their users that their users
• 1:11:29
  make for free. Their eventual goal, in my mind, is to remove
• 1:11:32
  as much interaction with the larger Internet as possible, summarizing and regurgitating as much
• 1:11:38
  as they can so that they can control and monetize the results as much as
• 1:11:42
  possible. On some level, I fear that the current platforms intend to use
• 1:11:47
  AI to become something akin to an Internet service provider, offering clean access to
• 1:11:54
  a Web that has become too messy and unreliable as a direct result of the
• 1:11:58
  platforms as actions eventually finding ways to monetize your information information's prominent in their portals,
• 1:12:04
  models, and chatbots. As that happens, it will begin to rot
• 1:12:09
  out the rest of the Internet, depriving media entities and social networks of traffic.
• 1:12:13
  As executives like Steve Huffman cut further deals to monetize free labor with platforms
• 1:12:18
  that will do everything they can to centralize all Internet traffic to two or three
• 1:12:23
  websites, okay, And as the Internet becomes dominated by these centralized platforms and
• 1:12:31
  the sites they trowl for content, so begins the vicious cycle of the habsburg
• 1:12:35
  AI, open ais chat, GPT and anthropics. Claud are dependent on a
• 1:12:41
  constant flow of trading data to improve their models, to the point that it's
• 1:12:45
  effectively impossible for them to operate without violating copyright. As a result, they
• 1:12:49
  can't be too picky when it comes to the information they choose, meaning that
• 1:12:53
  they're more than likely going to depend on an openly available content from the Internet,
• 1:12:58
  which, as I've suggested it earlier, will become increasingly normalized by the
• 1:13:01
  demands of algorithms and the ease of automating the generic content that satisfies them.
• 1:13:09
  I'm not saying that user generated content will disappear, but that human beings cannot
• 1:13:14
  create content at the scale that automation can. And when a large chunk of
• 1:13:17
  the Internet is content for robots, that is the content that will inform to
• 1:13:21
  models. Models, the only thing that can truly make them better is more
• 1:13:27
  stuff. But when the majority of stuff being created isn't good or interesting or
• 1:13:30
  even written for a human being chat gpt or Claudes. Models will learn the
• 1:13:35
  rotten habits of rotten content. This is why so many models responses sound so
• 1:13:41
  similar. They're heavily dependent on the stuff they're fed for their outputs, and
• 1:13:45
  so much of their intelligence comes from the same training data. It's a different
• 1:13:48
  flavor of the same problem. These models don't really know anything. They're copying
• 1:13:54
  after I'm sorry, they're copying other people's homework. Okay, do you want
• 1:13:59
  to you want to take a break so we can chat about this? Yeah?
• 1:14:02
  Did I did you want me to stop earlier? Because I'm sorry,
• 1:14:05
  I'm just kind of like not in a role there. Yeah, No,
• 1:14:10
  that's fine. It's just it's a lot of dense information, right, Yeah,
• 1:14:15
  it's it's like Lindsay was in the chat. She said, it's like
• 1:14:19
  the snake eating it's tail. It's ra borros. Yeah. And I think
• 1:14:25
  that's right. I mean I think that as AI grows and grows and learns,
• 1:14:30
  it's gonna be learning from itself. And even if you make advanced AI
• 1:14:33
  more sophisticated, the fact is that human contributions can't match the speed and scale
• 1:14:42
  at which the AI is operating. I don't think that we can keep up.
• 1:14:46
  Yeah, well all right, I don't have a lot to add to
• 1:14:53
  that. It's just well, we got we gotta go to the dark web.
• 1:14:55
  That's we gotta go to where the AI can't go, like wherever it's
• 1:15:00
  kept out. I guess we got to get more edgy folks. Yeah,
• 1:15:03
  we gotta go to the dark web. We gotta go there. I think
• 1:15:06
  because it says it's only it's only allowed to go to certain places, I
• 1:15:12
  think there are are proved destinations, it seems. Do you want me to
• 1:15:17
  give you a break or yeah? Go ahead? No, no, continue,
• 1:15:21
  I apologize, I'm I'm a really interrupted person. Excuse me. I've
• 1:15:26
  realized that now that we're reviewing the streams that we do using AI. Yeah,
• 1:15:35
  but I think it's different. I mean, I think the use of
• 1:15:38
  AI that we're doing, like just just you guys know, we are looking
• 1:15:42
  into create using AI to create shorter segments or help help to create shorter clips.
• 1:15:48
  Yeah, but I think that that use of AI is not a bad
• 1:15:53
  one because it's not like you're what you're doing is you're using it to process
• 1:16:00
  actual something actually made by a human being. Right, You're not using it
• 1:16:06
  to create new content. You're using it to frame the content and to make
• 1:16:12
  it more accessible. That's different. But this is just and I can't believe
• 1:16:19
  that people are okay with this, like they're just not turning off completely and
• 1:16:25
  just I mean, this seems to be a race to make content completely unusable
• 1:16:30
  for the average human. Okay, let I will begin this is yeah,
• 1:16:38
  this is a quote. Yeah, as okay. As an aside, I
• 1:16:41
  also fear for the software coast. I was going to read ahead, Yeah,
• 1:16:45
  sorry, I thought that that was what was I going to say.
• 1:16:49
  Yeah, I'm interrupted, but I've noticed that because of her, because we're
• 1:16:53
  going through our old streams with with AI and I need to stop that.
• 1:16:58
  So as an aside, but also fear for the software code that's created by
• 1:17:01
  generative AI products like gethub Copilot. A study by security film affirm Snick found
• 1:17:09
  that gethub Copilot and other AI powered coding platforms, which were trained on publicly
• 1:17:14
  available code and based on the user's own code based can replicate existing security issues,
• 1:17:19
  proliferating problems rather than fixing them. And why use Center for Cybersecurity also
• 1:17:25
  found in the twenty twenty three study the copilot generated code with security vulnerabilities forty
• 1:17:30
  percent of the time. These are also the hard limits that you're going to
• 1:17:34
  see with generative images and video. While the Internet is a giant hole of
• 1:17:39
  content you can easily and cheaply consume for training, visual media requires a great
• 1:17:43
  deal of significantly more complex data, and that's on top of the significant and
• 1:17:46
  obvious copyright issues. Chat PTEs, chat GPTs, Dally images, and Sora
• 1:17:54
  video products are, as I noted, limited by the availability of ways to
• 1:17:58
  teach them, as well as the limited limits of generative AI itself, meaning
• 1:18:01
  that video may continue to dominate the Internet as text based content finds itself crowded
• 1:18:06
  out by AI generated content. This may be why Sam Altman is trying to
• 1:18:12
  claim that giant AMI models are not the future, because there may not be
• 1:18:17
  enough fuel to grow them much further. After all, Altman claims that anyone
• 1:18:21
  data source doesn't move the need for open AI. Huh. So we're running
• 1:18:29
  up on the limitation for video because enough there isn't enough more new content.
• 1:18:38
  Huh. There's also no way to escape the fact that these hungry robots require
• 1:18:42
  legal plagiarism, and any number of copyright assaults could massively slow their progress.
• 1:18:46
  It is incredibly difficult to make a model forget information, meaning that there may
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  at some point be steps back in the development of models if data sets have
• 1:18:55
  to be reverted to previous versions with copyrighted materials removed. The numerous lawsuits against
• 1:19:01
  open Ai could break the bank of the back of the company. And while
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  Altman and another all Ai fantasists may pretend that these models are an intractable path
• 1:19:10
  to the future of society, any force that controls or makes them pay for
• 1:19:13
  the data that they will use will recap the company and force them to come
• 1:19:16
  up with a way to make these models ethically. Yet the world I fear
• 1:19:24
  is one where these people are allowed to run rampant, turning unique content into
• 1:19:29
  food for an ugly, inbred monster of an Internet, one that turns everybody's
• 1:19:32
  information sources into semi personalized versions of the same content. These people have names
• 1:19:38
  Sam Altman of open Ai, Sundar Pichai of Google, Mark Zuckerberd of Meta,
• 1:19:45
  which has his own model named Lama, Dario Atma at Modi Mode of
• 1:19:51
  Ananthropic, and Satya Nadella of Microsoft, and they are responsible for trying to
• 1:19:57
  standardize the Internet and turn it into a series of roles that all lead to
• 1:20:00
  the same place. Oh, my godness, like CompuServe AOL. It's like
• 1:20:08
  CompuServe in AOL, like wald Gardens, and they will gladly misinform and disadvantage
• 1:20:15
  billions of people to do so. Their future is one that is less colorful,
• 1:20:17
  less exciting, one that caters to the entitled and suppresses the creative.
• 1:20:21
  Those who rely on generative AI to create are not creators any more than a
• 1:20:26
  person that commissions it portrait as an artist. Altman and his ilk believe that
• 1:20:31
  they are the new Leonardo da Vinci's, but they are little more than petty
• 1:20:34
  kings and rent seekers seeking trying to steal the world's magic. Because that's a
• 1:20:40
  bit of editorializing there. Yeah, I'm a little excessive. Perhaps maybe true.
• 1:20:45
  They can, however, be fought. Don't buy their lives. Generative
• 1:20:49
  AI may be seeped in language of high fantasy, but it's a tool one
• 1:20:54
  that will not admit it's a terribly flawed and unprofitable way to feed the growth
• 1:20:58
  at all costs. Tech engine question everything they say, don't accept that AI
• 1:21:02
  might one day be great demand that it is today and reject anything less than
• 1:21:05
  perfection from men who make billions of dollars shipping you have finish shit, reject
• 1:21:11
  their marketing speak and empty fantasizing, and interrogate the tools put in front of
• 1:21:15
  you, and being the thorn in their side when they try to tell you
• 1:21:17
  that mediocrity is the future. They are not stupid. You're not missing anything.
• 1:21:21
  These tools are not magic. They're fantastical versions of Autocomplete that can't help
• 1:21:27
  but make some of the same mistakes it's learned from the petabytes of information it's
• 1:21:30
  stolen from others. Okay, So I think this might be this individual.
• 1:21:35
  Might I sense that he doesn't like AI, you know, maybe a little
• 1:21:44
  bit. I mean, I don't know, like he might he might have.
• 1:21:47
  I can't say I don't know enough about AI, but I do know
• 1:21:51
  that there has been a lot of like enthusiasm around it, and I'm not
• 1:21:57
  a lot of like concern about what the implication. And I know that people
• 1:22:01
  are going to be losing their jobs or it's going to be changing the landscape,
• 1:22:05
  and I think that's kind of ugly. And I also do worry about
• 1:22:11
  the people who are in charge, you know, who own these artificial intelligences
• 1:22:15
  and what their intentions are. I mean, Sundhar Pachai, Mark Zuckerberg,
• 1:22:19
  I think that's concerning. I'm not I don't like Microsoft, like you know,
• 1:22:25
  as a company. I don't like Google and Facebook. I think that
• 1:22:30
  they're pretty wretched, and so if they're the ones making these ais, like
• 1:22:34
  I already know that AI has a bias, and people will say that it
• 1:22:40
  doesn't have to, but I think that they're going to do everything they can
• 1:22:42
  to engineer it so that it does so. I don't know. Maybe I'm
• 1:22:47
  just a a ludite, and I'm not saying that. I'm not making the
• 1:22:51
  terminator argument, but but I just think that like the enthusiasm without caution or
• 1:22:58
  without wisdom is a bit worrying. Mmm. Yeah, and it doesn't sound
• 1:23:04
  like this is necessarily going to produce stuff that's worth much. Okay, let's
• 1:23:12
  see here. I'm just seeing if we have any more thank yous, and
• 1:23:17
  we could do that final little chaser if there's anything more to say or you
• 1:23:23
  know, do you have any Yeah, okay, the man the video Ultimately,
• 1:23:30
  like like I said, stuff that challenges the algorithm will be the only
• 1:23:35
  way that you know it's human honestly. Yeah, and one of those things
• 1:23:43
  is going to be anything to do with with men's issues, anything to do
• 1:23:45
  with men's perspective or vulnerability, anything edgy, you know, and uh,
• 1:23:51
  and otherwise you'll just be sucked into this lukewars warm sea of of ai puke,
• 1:24:00
  you know. And that's that'll be the future. It won't be as
• 1:24:03
  exciting as Terminator. It'll just be everybody drowning in ai puke. Well,
• 1:24:08
  I was also thinking maybe we could play the other one with her, you
• 1:24:10
  know, oh the sugar the thing that was shared on Now that we now
• 1:24:15
  that we've shown this, I guess we need to uh to give people let
• 1:24:19
  people see it, right, Yeah, I will. Okay, there we
• 1:24:26
  go. I'm not sharing that other thing right now, but okay, all
• 1:24:29
  right, this was shared by sugar Tits. That's on Twitter. Yeah at
• 1:24:33
  sugar Tits bear so thank you at sugar Underscore tips Sugar Tit who is and
• 1:24:40
  it's uh when that creepy staring at saves your ass? What was that that
• 1:24:45
  bearing significant other? Sugar Tits Yeah, bearings White. We met her in
• 1:24:49
  Australia, he did. We went to we went to Australia in twenty seventeen.
• 1:24:55
  Very nice for the ICMI, the very nice people, very down to
• 1:25:00
  earth and normal, and they showed us the possum that lived in their tree
• 1:25:03
  in their backyard. You remember that. Yeah, I don't remember the possum,
• 1:25:10
  but being that it was in Australia, it was probably like highly venomous
• 1:25:15
  anyway, guys, Okay, yes, yeah, so this is a gym
• 1:25:20
  thought video, I guess, so let's play it. Fortunately the whole thing
• 1:25:25
  doesn't fit, okay, all right, So I just wanted to show this.
• 1:25:45
  I'm not actually sure how it came out, like the original woman if
• 1:25:48
  this was what she put out there. But yeah, like he was watching
• 1:25:55
  and he there's a there's a there's a tweet with that expression. He's like
• 1:25:59
  you can see that. It's like any second expression. That's the face of
• 1:26:02
  a man, of someone who knows exactly what's about to happen, yesterly a
• 1:26:09
  regular there. Yeah, this is the face of deep concern. Yeah.
• 1:26:15
  Yeah, he was putting a shit in his pocket in case he needs to
• 1:26:17
  get up suddenly. Yeah, that's exactly. So. I thought that was
• 1:26:24
  just funny because it's like a it's a I think I got another freaking metal
• 1:26:30
  sliver in my hand. It's just it's just like, I guess a reversal.
• 1:26:35
  Again, I don't know if the woman was actually decent enough to uh
• 1:26:42
  to to mention that. You know, this guy wasn't being creepy. He
• 1:26:45
  was just really concerned. The other thing is that what the fuck is she
• 1:26:48
  wearing? And why are people wearing this kind of stuff to gems? Well,
• 1:26:56
  I mean, if they're influencers, I think, you know, like
• 1:26:59
  it's the attention an economy. It just is Oh oh crap, I got
• 1:27:03
  it out. Oh my god, that was huge. Well all right,
• 1:27:09
  should we look at the other thing now? Oh man, I guess that
• 1:27:13
  could be interpreted badly. No, that was a metal splin splinter that was
• 1:27:16
  in my hand. Okay, yest's let's watch the other thing. All right,
• 1:27:23
  I got a super child, but read it really quick before I forget.
• 1:27:26
  Richard Bierre gives us ten bucks and says, we the coffee shop intellectuals
• 1:27:30
  and academics could have control of the means of production, basically removing one form
• 1:27:34
  of elitism and replacing it with another form of elitism. Well for that,
• 1:27:41
  we don't know if that's his approach, but he definitely does not like AI.
• 1:27:45
  Honestly, if AI just runs the algorithm into the ground, I'm not
• 1:27:51
  going to be crying. You know. I generally rely on word of mouth
• 1:27:57
  to get information anyway, and like human beings. So if we go back
• 1:28:01
  to like the Yahoo model where things are curated, maybe that would be better.
• 1:28:08
  Mhmm, yeah, you know, maybe we should bring back curation.
• 1:28:13
  It worked out for gamers. Oh, we prought it. We brought it
• 1:28:18
  full circle. Friends there, pretty slick, pretty brought it back, brought
• 1:28:24
  it, brought it back just like this. Dude, you see what I
• 1:28:27
  did? All right? Yeah, let's play this video. It is another
• 1:28:30
  one Nowson sent me and Monka are not stop it? Why? Oh do
• 1:28:41
  you know this song music? This music is gonna kill her. I'll mute
• 1:28:45
  it. If there's no sound, I'll just you got to mute it.
• 1:28:50
  This is this is the This is the hero. I love that they recorded
• 1:28:56
  that, not the hero that we design. I wonder if people are gonna
• 1:28:59
  run remember that this flag, this flag is only about like four years old.
• 1:29:05
  The flag like this flag is yeah, like even four years old.
• 1:29:10
  It's the one with the circle. Yeah, it's it's like at least it's
• 1:29:14
  it's probably less than four years old, yes, but it's it's very recent
• 1:29:18
  like the circle one. It's not that one's I'm pretty sure that that's like
• 1:29:23
  less than two years old. May it might be, I mean I I
• 1:29:26
  yeah, okay, maybe maybe two maybe two years old, but but very
• 1:29:30
  recent. It's like and it's it just it just became normal like it It
• 1:29:35
  was just pushed and pushed until it was just normalized. And now it's normalized.
• 1:29:41
  Like man, geez, I need like, uh, I need like
• 1:29:47
  an image to put up like uh, like like one of these but but
• 1:29:51
  of uh what's his name? I can't remember his name now the Russia,
• 1:29:59
  the Russia, the ex KGB guy that got interviewed in the eighties. Uh.
• 1:30:03
  But anyway, normal lies, you're a Bezmentov. That's what I need.
• 1:30:09
  But anyway, so I think we just got our stream blocked in some
• 1:30:15
  country. Oh my god, shit, this is another piece of fucking steal.
• 1:30:21
  You know, if we get blocked anywhere, it's probably just Russia.
• 1:30:24
  Jesus Chris, I don't think anyone in Russia's watched. Sorry about that,
• 1:30:29
  guys, Yeah, it just blocked in Russia. I don't think we have
• 1:30:32
  a big Russian audience. Nah, I mean it really appeals to the Russian
• 1:30:38
  soul, to be honest. Well, Boot and probably doesn't like let them
• 1:30:41
  use YouTube anyway, So I don't know. Okay, maybe everything's blocked in
• 1:30:46
  Russia by default. All right, so I think this is I just wanted
• 1:30:50
  to show that because I thought that was pretty funny. And oh and the
• 1:30:56
  comments were ridiculous, Like there was one guy was like, oh, that's
• 1:30:59
  that man is in Karen and heterosexuality, and I'm like, no, he
• 1:31:03
  might just not enjoy the ideological authoritarianism represented by the damn flag. The constantly
• 1:31:12
  the flag is not is not gay people. Yeah, it's like that flag.
• 1:31:15
  It's just a flag. The flag is basically the symbolism of the mentality
• 1:31:21
  behind nineteen eighty four and the Party forcing Winston to say that two plus two
• 1:31:30
  equals five. Well they would in the next minute say but actually two plus
• 1:31:36
  two equals six, and believing that two plus two equals five makes you a
• 1:31:42
  heretic. That's what it is. It's the constant, a constant submission to
• 1:31:47
  authority. The flag isn't there there are four lights exactly, and and the
• 1:32:00
  I just remember the dystopia that I think might be pulling out in the Dystopia
• 1:32:03
  Sweeps, the machine stops, where people basically live in a machine and all
• 1:32:10
  their creativity is reinterpretations of people's reinterpretations of people's reinterpretations of things that went before,
• 1:32:18
  and nobody has an actual, genuine experience of anything, direct experience of
• 1:32:25
  anything. I think that's where we might be going. That one. It's
• 1:32:29
  a it's a. It's a. It's a sleeper. You know, it's
• 1:32:30
  like a black horse. It's not. It's not one people know a lot
• 1:32:32
  about. But I think I think it might. I think it might be
• 1:32:36
  pulling ahead in the Dystopia Sweeps, at least when it comes to AI.
• 1:32:41
  Oh yeah, yeah, I still think I have I have some steel in
• 1:32:46
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• 1:32:51
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