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#16: Dreaming the Future: Joel Schafer on Quantum Reality and Human Awakening · Love Conquers Fear

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  I believe that we're actually everything is energy primarily,
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  and the physicality is secondary.
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  And I think there's many layers to the onion, so to speak, and
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  that shamanic dreamers have unlocked that capacity to go
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  into these other layers. The Toltecs refer to this as a
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  vision that we're having, and this vision is unique and
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  powerful, but it's a holographic projected reality.
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  What percentage of today's nuclear weapons out of the
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  13,000 would it take to destroy all the significant sized cities
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  in the world and send the world into a new clear winter for over
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  a decade? We have 50 times today.
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  And then we would ask ourselves, is humanity still making these
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  weapons? The thing that's going to
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  protect me from the people that have discovered this, that and
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  the other I trust deeply in my personal power to be insulated
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  because I'm following my science, omens and feelings and
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  I'm being guided and therefore I know that I'm walking very
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  closely with God. I'm not separate.
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  We need to allow love to conquer.
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  Our own fears radiate a lot more luminous ourselves, and
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  therefore we transcend their power over us completely.
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  So the Flyers are the ones that run the foreign installation,
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  which is that second mind that's not natural.
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  And for us to come out of that mind and find our natural mind,
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  then the Flyers are no longer able to be higher on the food
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  chain. Aloneness is all oneness, and so
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  we need to spend time alone. We need to spend time alone
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  without distraction. I practice a lot of shamanic
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  dreaming practices that where you have to be alone.
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  They're just designed that way and it can be really
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  uncomfortable at times. Welcome back everybody to the
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  Love Conquers Fear podcast. I'm very excited today that I
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  have a guest, Joel Schaefer, who Mark Gober actually introduced
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  me to. So you saw him on episode #2
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  He's become one of my best friends.
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  I always joked with him when I first reached out.
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  I didn't know him at all in February, just a big fan of his
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  books that my sneaky, you know, undertone was to get him to move
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  to Austin. It was that actually happened.
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  And he he and I just went to a show on Austin City Limits
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  taping recently. I think that's the third one
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  that we attended. And you may remember from
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  episode 2 that when we saw Cam together, there was this crazy
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  amount of synchronicity between the conversation we just had and
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  the taping. And literally every song she
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  played replayed the conversation we just had.
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  And neither one of us had ever seen her as she played her album
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  that night. We had never even heard of her
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  music, but it was it was really cool.
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  And I'm coming off of the Henry Crown Fellowship week.
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  You saw the Shawl on the last episode from Obvious Ventures,
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  and he's just fantastic. And that night, actually, after
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  we recorded, we went to go see Byron Reese speak about utopia.
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  You saw him as well on this podcast, and he's one of my
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  favorite authors. And it was such a cool setting
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  because Byron was literally sitting by a fire at Mickey
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  Agrawal's home. Mickey's a good friend of mine.
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  We're investors in our company, Hero.
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  And the crowd there was kind of like more Mickey's age.
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  So it's like in kind of early 30s and it was just so cool
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  because it was like story time with with Byron Reese.
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  And one of the things that happened there is that all of
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  all of this younger generation, they just completely believe
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  that we're going to make it to utopia.
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  It was just so cool to see how optimistic they were.
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  And I think that's important to see because a lot of people are
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  very pessimistic about younger generations.
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  I actually am the opposite. I'm extremely optimistic about,
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  you know, Generation Z, Generation Alpha.
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  And they are deeply rooted in love and purpose.
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  And one of the things that I saw just recently, I just shared
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  this yesterday, is that social media usage for the youngest
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  generation is falling precipitously.
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  So they're finally starting to break out of this algorithmic
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  manipulation machine, which is keeping the amygdala hijacked,
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  making us believe that we live mostly in a dystopian a world of
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  8.2 billion people. Most of the things that are
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  happening are acts of love and connection, but those aren't
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  newsworthy. They're not exceptional.
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  And so we're just pushed all the worst stuff.
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  And in a world of 8.2 billion people, is something bad going
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  to happen every day? Yeah, something bad is going to
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  happen every day, and that's horrible.
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  But we can choose to program ourselves on all of that, or we
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  can choose to let the light in and realize that most of what's
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  happening in the world is amazing.
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  Also is that this recording is listeners know I'm Jewish,
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  although I really identify with the spiritual roots of all
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  religions. And literally I woke up this
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  morning around 5:00 AM and I'm really celebrated the release of
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  the hostages. And I'm really praying for a lot
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  of peace now to come in Gaza as well as Israel as they transcend
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  the terrorist Hamas group. And that's not giving a pass to
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  the far right in Israel. The Israel also has to transcend
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  that. As you know, politically, I'm
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  very much a centrist and I believe in rationality.
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  And I call out, you know, where I see hate, whether it's on the
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  right or left or whether it's in any country, because we really
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  need to listen to our soul in terms of what's right or wrong.
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  And we know what's right or wrong if we just listen and feel
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  that energy. So thanks again for tuning and I
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  really appreciate all of the amazing comments I'm getting on
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  this work. I'm not doing this for
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  advertising or any financial gain.
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  I'm purely doing this for the love of humanity.
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  So if you feel moved, you know, share this with a friend and
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  maybe it'll make a big impact in their life as they start to walk
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  a either spiritual path or even one with a curiosity about what
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  consciousness is. I mean, there's so much work
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  coming out on this, including Dan Brown's book, which I think
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  it's called the Secret of Secrets.
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  I haven't started reading it yet, but I know it's about non
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  local consciousness and just more and more people are talking
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  about that, which I think is really, really cool.
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  So thanks again for tuning in. I'm here with Joel Schaefer and
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  real honor to be with you, brother.
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  Thanks so much. Yeah.
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  Yeah, thanks for having. You being in so I've, I've
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  listened to a number of your interviews just to prepare for
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  this and, and that was really fun to do.
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  And I want to start out with a question to just jump to
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  something that I think is on everybody's mind as they listen
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  to this podcast. You've, you've, you've done a
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  lot of work to try to grapple at what is the nature of our
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  reality. So what do you think?
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  Is this reality that we're in? Yeah, Thank you.
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  That's a good question. You know, I believe that we're
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  actually everything is energy. Energy, primarily in the
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  physicality is secondary. And I think there's many layers
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  to the onion, so to speak, and that shamanic dreamers have
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  unlocked the the capacity to go into these other layers.
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  And so we, the Toltecs refer to this as a vision that we're
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  having. And this vision is unique and
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  powerful, but it's a holographic projected reality.
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  They learned on bind from the physical limitation.
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  And they do things that, you know, are quite terrifying at
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  first, but really liberating ultimately, because when you
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  realize you're not primarily in a physical universe, then
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  everything the secrets of this realm unlock and you start to be
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  able to traverse and travel. And I believe that we're meant
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  to be able to do that, but something got a hold of us is
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  keeping us from that discovery. There's great pressure on us to
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  not unlock the secrets of lucid dreaming.
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  So I would say we're having a vision.
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  This is a dream. And that we're actually inside
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  of a memory right now that everything's already happened.
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  It's not linear, but there's many, many timelines.
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  So there's deviations from different experiences.
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  So you and I may have already had this conversation many times
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  and it's just a matter of waking up to that potential so that
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  we're not in sort of under hypnosis forever.
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  And that's what in the books of Castaneda, Don wants us, you
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  know, if we don't discover the secret of perception, then we
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  will perish. And so I, I appreciate what
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  your, your focus is as far as saving humanity with the
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  benefits of technology and all that.
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  I also look at that as a possibility, but I'm more of the
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  realm that we need to become liberated through our
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  dreamscapes, our ability to seek the other layers of the onion
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  through conscious lucid dream travel.
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  So yeah, I think we're in a very incredible realm that's magical.
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  And I think our capacity to connect back directly to Source
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  and have a profound ability to communicate with the earth, with
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  the sun, and with Source itself is where, you know, all those
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  secrets are presented. But they're not things that
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  really words speak to properly. It's more like a direct feeling
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  and our ability to know things directly, and we call it silent
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  knowledge, where you move outside of the realm of thought
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  and you start to perceive energy directly as it flows.
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  And so I think that, yeah, we're in a system that is intelligent
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  and we're being communicated with, but we're not able to
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  receive that communication to the to the degree that we will
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  need to. And so, yeah, I think it's just
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  an incredible energetic place that is serving as a platform to
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  launch into what we call the afterlife.
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  And that there's a way to merge the afterlife with this layer of
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  the onion and we can start to have visitations from other
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  beings and other support systems.
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  We're not alone here. We share this place with many,
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  many different beings that are not physical.
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  And in a sense, those beings have an advantage because we we
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  are in a limited capacity. I think there's interfering
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  energies as well as supportive energies.
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  So I think it's a very expensive place.
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  Yeah. You know, one of the things that
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  I love about what you just said is I've been on just a massive
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  reading journey and my soul is really animating my physical
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  body, this physical vessel to do that.
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  And what you just said sinks incredibly well with our
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  understanding of quantum physics.
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  Cool that everything when you go down to the quantum level is
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  just light and energy and we only know what 4% of the
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  universe is made of as you know from Mark Gober right 96% we
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  call dark energy and dark matter.
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  We have no idea what it is. The head of the quantum
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  computing division of Google last year with Sky Harmon Nevin
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  when they showed a stable quantum computing calculation
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  and then they came out with a quantum computing chip called
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  the Willow chip, which computed in 5 minutes, which would take a
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  classical supercomputer which just depends on ones and zeros
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  which are called bits versus qubits which are, which are
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  multi dimensional. They're in a super position type
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  of state. It would take a classical
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  supercomputer, this 5 minute calculation, 782 trillion times
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  the known age of the universe. It's 10 subtillion years.
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  And he said on the stage at Ted in Vancouver, he said the only
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  thing we can figure out at Google is that it's computing in
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  a different dimension. So these are things that would
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  have been heretical. You know, I mean, that those are
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  types of things maybe that would have gotten people cancelled in,
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  in, in a computing division, you know, decades ago.
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  But I love that humanity is opening up more as we as we
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  become more knowledgeable about quantum physics.
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  And you know, for someone like Max Planck, who was a patriarch
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  of the field, he became very spiritual as a result of diving
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  into quantum physics. And so, you know, you're very
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  deep in this, in this knowledge of the Toltecs.
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  And, and it's, it's it's really cool to see how well it relates
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  to actually our scientific understanding.
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  Part of the suffering I see in the world right now is the
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  dogmatic separation between science, which is also based on
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  a act of faith. You know, grant me the miracle,
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  The Big Bang, and I'll explain everything else to you.
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  And the separation between religion, which requires a lot
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  of belief and a lot of stories, but the root of all religions
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  seem to be really synchronous. Absolutely.
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  Yeah. And yeah, go ahead.
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  Yeah, I mean, the Toltecs refer to something called the Dark Sea
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  of awareness, and that we can visit the dark sea as a
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  preparation for our death. So I, I think shamans have been
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  trying to, in their own way, prepare us for the scientific
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  discoveries that were to come. And I think they've been ahead
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  of the curve as far as being able to see the nature of
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  reality. But they speak of it in a way
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  that's a little esoteric or a little woo woo.
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  And so people have a hard time believing it until, you know,
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  our technology is able to measure these things, right?
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  So I think our ability to bridge those two worlds is critical.
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  Yeah, yeah. I mean, it's one of the things I
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  talked about in The Lattice, which is my science fiction
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  novella. I wrote this actually from a
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  vision in a psychedelic journey where I saw what would be the
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  collective awakening for humanity.
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  And it's actually triggered through technology.
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  So it's in, in the novella, it's what happens is this guy, Doctor
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  Alexander Bliss, who's a quantum physicist and has published, you
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  know, 23 papers, he goes on a psychedelic journey for the
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  first time. He thinks this is going to be
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  neurochemical tricks. And instead he sees what I call
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  in the book the lattice. And the lattice is the
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  interconnectedness of all things, the unity of all things.
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  And the book covers the years 2030 through 2085, and it
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  continues to be rediscovered over and over again.
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  But one of the cool things that he has an idea for to get
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  humanity to wake up is he hooks brain computer interfaces to the
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  Dalai Lama, psychonauts, deep meditators, etcetera.
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  And it all shows the same repeating pattern as he uploads
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  the data into this massive, you know, processing engine, you
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  know, with quantum computing at its core to look for the
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  repeating patterns between all of those visions.
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  And he premieres at a documentary Film Festival.
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  And Telluride. It's actually a real festival
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  called the Mountain Film Festival.
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  Yeah. I've been there.
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  Oh, cool. Yeah.
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  I used to live in. Oh yeah, I have another good
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  friend, Michael Collins, who's going to be on this podcast
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  pretty soon, who serves on the board there.
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  That's how I found out about it. He's a documentary filmmaker.
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  That's going to be a fascinating discussion because his new
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  documentary is really amazing that he's working on right now
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  about intuition and how that can be taught to children,
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  especially in the schools in India where they can navigate
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  source, but they have to be a certain age and not already
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  subject to so much programming that we receive.
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  But anyways, he, he airs it there and humanity sees it and
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  it's undeniable scientific proof of the reality that we're
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  actually in. They never quite decode the
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  reality even by the year 2085. And I think we need to be deeply
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  humble about the the fact that, you know, whatever the nature of
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  God is, we know it's deeply rooted in love, but it's so far
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  beyond our comprehension. And that's that's one of our
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  beliefs too, in Judaism, as we, you know, it's ineffable, it's
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  nameless. You know, we have to just be
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  humble and whatever it is, but just be thankful that it is
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  rooted in love, which is well, I think really beautiful.
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  Absolutely. Have have you seen that as you
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  as you dove into, you know, different spiritual roots that
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  whatever the reality is that it is rooted in love by, you know,
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  whatever the prime creator is? Yes, yeah.
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  It's a really profound emotional experience to be in
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  communication with Source in that way and to find the creator
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  force to be very psychedelic and humorous.
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  You know, I've had a lot of breakthroughs with communicating
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  with the sun. And I believe the sun is
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  consciousness and the earth's mother is consciousness.
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  And then these beings are, you know, connected directly to what
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  we call spirit. And spirit is God, creator,
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  force. And yeah, it's providing the
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  most incredible waves of affection, what we call pure
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  affection. And there's a way to through
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  celibacy and different ways of saving your sexual energy for
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  that kind of conversation. Many religious people and
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  spiritual people have had communication that's direct.
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  And it is very much something that is unspeakable and
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  nameless. And yet it's present and it's
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  incredible thing to to become just in contact with.
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  So in the book, Don Juan talks about how just keeping our flame
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  intact, keeping our fire alive is enough to you don't have to
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  be as powerful as you know, the creator itself, but to just be
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  in the presence is is you know all that the the goal is.
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  It's deeply humbling. I mean, when, when I had the
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  first, I mean, I've had, I've had a lot of I've, I've done
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  prayer growing up, but I wouldn't say that I was overly
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  religious by any stretch. And and I've had like moments of
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  awe and that feeling where my whole body lights up.
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  But but in a particular journey, it was actually my third
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  journey. It was the one where I had this
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  direct connection with God. And I spent the next day with a
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  deep level of humility and a lot of tears, not sad, but tears of
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  joy. And I, I knew that at that
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  moment I was meant to be a vessel.
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  And it's a big reason why I'm doing what I'm doing now because
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  I really do have a deep love for all humanity.
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  And part of that came from this knowing that God has a deep love
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  for all humanity, that God looks at all of us as equals, like
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  divine beings at our core. Some people have a amazing, you
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  know, sad amount of programming. You know, a Hamas terrorist
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  literally is indoctrinated since they're born in hatred.
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  And that that happens in extreme religions around the world too,
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  that people can be indoctrinated like that.
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  Yeah, that's, it's part of this realm is that kind of that those
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  soul contracts that they come in in order to experience that
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  level of, you know, indoctrination as a means to
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  potentially have a, a near death experience or something that
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  might heal a person. So there's a lot of really
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  challenging elements to this place.
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  The Toltec say this is a world of terror and beauty, but the
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  beauty balances the terror. And so it's a matter of each
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  individual potentially evolving their soul in each lifetime.
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  And some, some of those contracts are near impossible to
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  get out of, but there's still potential for the slightest bit
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  of growth that could lead to the next lifetime, right?
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  You know, And so I think we're in a really profound,
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  confronting, but and realistically tragic, but also
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  beautiful experience. Yeah, you know, Mark.
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  Mark Gober's second book on living.
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  He. Went the first time I met him
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  and the first time he visited Austin.
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  It's just obvious he's manifesting love that he really
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  is a very loving person rooted in that for sure.
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  And I'm curious how that relates to what you've studied with the
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  Toltecs and, and, and also the Toltec journey you've been on
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  for understanding ancient spirituality and the
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  synchronicity between it. Yeah, You know, as I studied
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  Taoism a lot and I studied the Toltec stuff primarily and it's
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  just been. I love the Dell.
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  Yeah, it's been just a really beautiful thing to to discover
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  what we call the not doings. So in our daily lives, we're
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  doing, doing, doing, thinking, thinking, thinking.
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  There's a way to come out of that and experience a very
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  psychedelic thing without any substances whatsoever.
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  And that's where the Toltecs discovered this realm of pure
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  affection where conversations can be had with beans from other
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  layers of the onion. And they actually say we don't
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  have lifetime after lifetime. They're all parallel, parallel
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  lives rather than reincarnation. And if you can gain access to
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  your parallel life, there's a boost that happens for you and
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  for that parallel beam. So in dreamtime you can cross
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  certain gates and through conscious dreaming, you can walk
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  into other layers of the onion. And if you meet your parallel
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  being, it's very emotional, it's very beautiful.
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  It's very healing to realize that you are many, that there's
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  a multiplicity to what we are. And the the conversations are
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  non linear. They're not with words, but
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  they're like almost like just through the your tears of really
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  being in an emotional connection.
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  And the most profound waves of affection and love lead to
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  direct guidance where you're being told and shown what your
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  purpose and meaning is. And I think so many people in
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  this world don't know what the meaning is and they don't have
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  purpose. And so they're seeking to
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  fulfill their lives that feel empty with either money, sex,
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  power, you know, or something as a means to make meaning.
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  And it just can get, we can get really lost if we don't have the
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  capacity to heal our hearts. And we all have armor from
• 23:11
  having been broke up with or having had something happen with
• 23:14
  our parents at a young age, we are told to stop, stop doing
• 23:18
  that, you know, and our ability to express ourselves got
• 23:21
  stifled. And so finding a way to unbind
• 23:25
  from that, that armor and to, to dance and to to sing and to
• 23:31
  create art and to, you know, have purpose and direction like
• 23:35
  you've discovered. It's that's what ignites your
• 23:38
  fire and leads to the most incredible capacity to feel
• 23:43
  love. And the more people that gain
• 23:45
  access to this universal love, the 100th monkey thing kicks in.
• 23:50
  And so even though fear is spreading like wildfire, courage
• 23:53
  can also spread like wildfire. And.
• 23:55
  So well said, yeah. So just a matter of I.
• 23:58
  Really love that. Yeah, yeah.
• 24:00
  I mean, it's just a matter of time before we tip.
• 24:02
  And you know, I'm 95% certain that we do tip.
• 24:05
  But if I could, if I could wave a magic wand, you know, my wish
• 24:10
  for all of humanity is that collectively, everybody's
• 24:16
  physicality would have a communion with their soul where
• 24:19
  they knew that the they knew the divine purpose that they were
• 24:22
  born for or incarnated for. And one of the things that
• 24:27
  really synchronizes well with what you said and and I was
• 24:31
  recommending this book to you before we before we went on on
• 24:34
  air, but you should really read LSD in the mind of the universe.
• 24:38
  I mean, he's a real pioneer. He was willing to die to
• 24:43
  understand the nature of our reality.
• 24:46
  And at the end of his journeys, he was told that the reason that
• 24:51
  God he calls God my beloved took him through that linear
• 24:55
  progression over a 20 year period was to show him the
• 25:00
  layers of reality so that he could communicate it to the rest
• 25:05
  of humanity. And he's a deeply humble person.
• 25:09
  If you ever see him on podcast, I'm I'm going to invite him on
• 25:12
  here. I haven't talked with him about
• 25:14
  it yet, but that book had a profound effect on me in
• 25:18
  chapters 9 through 11, which I read now three times about the
• 25:21
  birth of the future human. And the diamond soul is what
• 25:26
  he's seen is that we're in an evolutionary shift.
• 25:29
  We're built for evolutionary speed.
• 25:31
  I mean, the homosapien's been around for 250,000 or 300,000
• 25:35
  years and and we're the fastest evolving animal ever.
• 25:41
  And that this evolutionary shift is going to lead to this diamond
• 25:48
  sole where we can access all of our lifetimes in one.
• 25:54
  And it syncs exactly perfectly with what you're saying, which
• 25:58
  is just so cool. I mean, it's a big reason why my
• 26:02
  souls had me do all this reading is that I think part of my
• 26:07
  purpose, I know my purpose in this lifetime is to create a
• 26:11
  better world through technology. But I also think part of my
• 26:14
  purpose is to help bridge and bring back together science and
• 26:18
  spirituality where we realize that there's immense
• 26:23
  synchronicity in these things versus dogmatic separation.
• 26:27
  And, and I just, it's kind of blowing my mind right now that
• 26:29
  it syncs so well with what you've learned, you know?
• 26:32
  Yeah. I mean, I refer to it as techno
• 26:34
  magic. It's it's just a different form
• 26:36
  of magic and magic is not new, it's ancient, it's always been.
• 26:42
  And so we are a technology in a sense.
• 26:45
  And it's all texts refer to us as having an assemblage point
• 26:48
  this this sphere within our luminous cocoon that moves.
• 26:53
  And shamans have learned to move that consciously so that they
• 26:56
  can walk right in and out of this world.
• 26:59
  And our ability to do that so that we're not relying on a
• 27:03
  substance like in the movie Inception, they have to give him
• 27:06
  the substances in order to go deeper in the dream world.
• 27:09
  I believe that we're going to need to be able to do it that
• 27:12
  way as well as the natural way. I agree.
• 27:15
  And, and so it's great that people are all taking their
• 27:18
  psychedelic journeys right now, but it needs to be integrated
• 27:21
  eventually so that we become really superhuman and, and, and,
• 27:26
  and have the capacity to directly know things like the
• 27:30
  Akashic records are available. You know, we don't have to carry
• 27:34
  books around with us in the future.
• 27:37
  And I don't think we need to download our consciousness into
• 27:40
  the cloud, although some people are going to do that.
• 27:44
  I think there's ways to to balance that by people
• 27:47
  discovering it, you know, in other ways.
• 27:49
  So I believe forces rise to meet each other.
• 27:52
  And we don't want to put ourselves in a situation where
• 27:55
  we're susceptible to someone hacking us, but we're already
• 27:58
  being hacked through interdimensional beings that are
• 28:01
  interfering with us. Shamans learned to stop allowing
• 28:04
  those interdimensional beings to have access to them by saving
• 28:08
  their energy in a way that makes it so that those forces find
• 28:13
  through their discipline and impeccability that they're
• 28:16
  become non palatable. Where you do, you lose the
• 28:20
  interest in feeding off of that energy.
• 28:22
  So most of humanity, according to the Toltecs, is being fed
• 28:25
  off, right? That we're not the top of the
• 28:28
  food chain. And in order to come to turn, in
• 28:32
  order to not perish as a race, we're going to have to evolve so
• 28:37
  that we're not being fed off to the degree that we have been and
• 28:42
  come to terms with the fact that we're not alone here.
• 28:45
  Yeah, there's a lot to unpack there.
• 28:47
  I mean, one of the things I do want to say is that I have
• 28:50
  friends that that used to do psychedelics who have
• 28:53
  transcended the need for it. They've they've got into a
• 28:56
  meditative state. I'm actually doing a trip in
• 29:00
  Bali coming up at the end of April of next year.
• 29:04
  And there's a, a guru there that I don't really know a lot about
• 29:11
  his tradition. He's from India, but apparently
• 29:14
  he can manifest in you what is like 40 years of meditative
• 29:19
  practice in one touch, which sounds incredible.
• 29:25
  But you know, I know people that have visited with him and done
• 29:28
  that and it transcended their desire, need, whatever you want
• 29:34
  to call it for psychedelics, because now they're in that
• 29:36
  state. And I know that that is in my
• 29:39
  future too, that this is this is a, a bridge to get there.
• 29:45
  And I've never had an addictive personality for anything.
• 29:49
  It's kind of funny because my journey last year led to the
• 29:56
  lack of any type of craving for alcohol.
• 29:59
  I used to drink, you know, moderately.
• 30:01
  I've never, never an alcoholic, but every time you know, at A,
• 30:06
  at a doctor's office, you know, for, for, for a physical, it
• 30:10
  asked me and I would be honest, I was very honest.
• 30:13
  I would be like, I'm probably 5 to 6 drinks a week.
• 30:15
  I live a very social life as ACEO and been ACEO since I was
• 30:19
  24. I'm 53 now.
• 30:21
  And it just killed the craving. And, and it was, it was this, it
• 30:25
  was about a four hour journey and there was just a 10 second
• 30:30
  part of it. The place I go, you speak out
• 30:32
  loud and then you transcribe it. And this 10 second part was me
• 30:38
  looking at my body kind of out of body experience and saying
• 30:44
  protect the vessel, It's just poison.
• 30:47
  You don't need this anymore socially.
• 30:49
  You've transcended it and it just boom.
• 30:52
  It's like it just killed the taste.
• 30:54
  You know, I'll still, I'll still have like for ceremonial like
• 30:58
  Passover, but I don't actually feel good the next day, even if
• 31:03
  I just have one drink. And, and I probably had since
• 31:06
  that journey, maybe one drink since November of last year.
• 31:11
  I think it was on, on Passover and that was it.
• 31:14
  So it's yeah, that that that communion is really important.
• 31:20
  But ultimately, if we all could just have that constant
• 31:24
  communion with our soul, that would be incredible.
• 31:27
  And do you feel like you've reached that state yourself
• 31:31
  where you're having a regular communion with your soul?
• 31:35
  Yeah, We call it living in heightened awareness, you know,
• 31:38
  so I don't, I don't really. I, I, I had extremes for a long
• 31:41
  time in my apprenticeships where I would be really in a deep,
• 31:45
  profound state of clarity for a few days in a row and then I
• 31:48
  would lose it, you know, and it'd be like what happened.
• 31:50
  And we did a lot of sweat lodges and vision quests and ceremonies
• 31:55
  in order to stay and heighten awareness.
• 31:56
  But it feels very terrifying to reach those States and then to
• 32:00
  lose them at times in that desperate feeling of like, well,
• 32:04
  what, what's going to happen if I don't get back there and those
• 32:07
  kinds of experiences. But over the years, I've learned
• 32:11
  to steadily do these shamanic movements that keep me in that
• 32:14
  altered state all the time. I had a profound experience in
• 32:17
  my job where I was as a project manager for a construction
• 32:21
  company. I was just explaining something
• 32:24
  in a conference room and all the sudden my perception moved to a
• 32:27
  very psychedelic state of perception.
• 32:30
  And I was able to still pretend as if I was having a normal
• 32:33
  experience and continue with my presentation while having direct
• 32:38
  conversation with God at the same time.
• 32:41
  And it just was kind of a multitasking moment when I
• 32:44
  realized that I don't have to be on my knees in tears, you know,
• 32:48
  in order to be in that state. I can do two things or even 3
• 32:52
  things at a time. And, and some people I know can
• 32:55
  do many things at one time or they're having conversations
• 32:59
  with their parallel life. They're also in an interview.
• 33:02
  They're also, you know, doing this other thing in their dream
• 33:05
  state. Some people occupy 6 different
• 33:07
  perception positions of perception at one time through
• 33:10
  extreme fasting. So shamans work with sleep
• 33:13
  deprivation, fasting, all kinds of different things in order to
• 33:17
  stay in a permanent heightened state.
• 33:19
  And then they refer to something called unbending intent.
• 33:23
  You learn to have a relationship with what they call intent, and
• 33:26
  eventually you can have what's called unbending intent, which
• 33:30
  means that your will is fully activated at all times.
• 33:34
  And some shamans learn to be conscious 24 hours a day.
• 33:38
  So even when they're asleep, they're totally conscious of
• 33:42
  every experience they're having while they're asleep.
• 33:44
  So they don't, and it's not like they're they're missing out on
• 33:47
  rest. They're having deep, deep
• 33:50
  restorative rest. Shamans even bury themself in
• 33:54
  the earth with like a breathing tube that goes up into the air
• 33:58
  and they stay there for multiple days in a row in order to to
• 34:01
  become one with earth. So these are very, you know,
• 34:05
  accessible things, but the fear that one would go through in
• 34:09
  order to crossover into that is it's no joke.
• 34:12
  And so that's part of the processes unbinding from fear.
• 34:17
  And Toltecs say that the fear that comes in isn't actually
• 34:20
  yours. It's a program that's running
• 34:22
  like hypnosis. And we have two minds.
• 34:25
  We have our natural mind and then we have this foreign
• 34:27
  installation. And most of humanity is
• 34:30
  operating under the foreign installation.
• 34:32
  So to free yourself from the hypnosis is to go back to the
• 34:36
  natural mind and to be aware of the foreign installation.
• 34:39
  It's like a radio channel that you can turn off and our our
• 34:44
  meditative state is critical to master if we don't want that
• 34:48
  interference running. And so it's just a dance with
• 34:52
  that type of interaction and becoming aware of how you know,
• 34:56
  be becoming aware of your death that that we, we behave
• 35:00
  according to Toltecs as if we're immortal.
• 35:03
  We need to behave as if this could be the last moment so that
• 35:06
  we're really appreciating every experience and not essentially
• 35:14
  taking anything for granted. Do you do you feel like your
• 35:20
  purpose and the Toltec purpose for humanity is freedom, freedom
• 35:27
  of humanity? Because because I mean, people
• 35:29
  listening to this that they're probably not going going to act
• 35:35
  on this to take this type of a multi decade journey to become
• 35:40
  like a Toltec master or whatever you would call that or shaman, I
• 35:44
  guess. So how does that heal?
• 35:48
  How does how does this purpose that you're on?
• 35:51
  Well, first of all, let me just ask, do you know why you were
• 35:53
  born? Like what's your what's your,
• 35:55
  what's your purpose is in this lifetime?
• 35:57
  Imagining the answers an emphatic yes.
• 35:59
  And secondly, how do you think that broadens out to your
• 36:03
  healing for the rest of humanity?
• 36:05
  Yeah, Thank you. Yeah.
• 36:06
  So yeah, I would definitely knew a young age that I was going to
• 36:10
  have a really powerful lifetime. I remember looking in the mirror
• 36:13
  and talking to myself and sort of, you know, preparing myself
• 36:18
  for the intensity that I was about to enter into and.
• 36:21
  I felt the same way, yeah. Just very different field, but
• 36:24
  same thing, yeah. And you know, I don't think this
• 36:27
  work that I'm doing is designed for everyone.
• 36:30
  And I think it's a, but certain people when they, when they
• 36:32
  discover me and the, and the movements that I teach and the
• 36:36
  recapitulation, which is memory soul retrieval work, people that
• 36:41
  it's meant for, they're really drawn to it.
• 36:43
  And so it changes their life instantly when they hear about
• 36:46
  it and especially when they come train with me online or in
• 36:49
  person. I'm hoping to make your December
• 36:52
  event we were talking about earlier.
• 36:53
  Yeah, yeah, it's really strong. It's really fun.
• 36:56
  Very hard opening for a lot of us and it's just really a
• 36:59
  beautiful way to connect. So, but you know, everyone here
• 37:02
  has a unique capacity to discover their, their
• 37:08
  relationship with source and that guidance that will come in
• 37:12
  because of it is going to give them that.
• 37:15
  You know, whether it's becoming a death doula or being guided to
• 37:18
  help people on the streets or, you know, everyone has sort of a
• 37:23
  calling, But I think most people are focused on manifestation
• 37:27
  rather than listening. And if we can get silent, we can
• 37:30
  receive guidance. And I've received a lot of
• 37:33
  guidance to do what I'm doing. And I'm just trying to, and
• 37:38
  that's why I invite people to this training is even if you're
• 37:41
  not going to get in deep like I am, having a weekend with me
• 37:46
  very likely will unveil some things about your purpose and
• 37:49
  meaning and it'll help you take things to the next level.
• 37:52
  And because it's, we're not doing psychedelics, we're just
• 37:55
  doing these movements, it's a little bit more integrated.
• 37:59
  It's easier to take home with you because you can take the
• 38:02
  movements back to your house and do them as often as you want.
• 38:05
  You can recapitulate your memories, which becomes a really
• 38:09
  profound level of focus. So my elder would say, rather
• 38:13
  than meditate, focus. So our ability to reclaim our
• 38:17
  attention is critical. And that doesn't mean that we
• 38:19
  all have to become Toltec dreamers.
• 38:22
  The Toltecs say that sorcery is a dead end St. and so is
• 38:26
  ignorance. But you have to be able to
• 38:28
  handle the ignorant realm and not be offended.
• 38:31
  You also have to learn how to navigate and understand magic,
• 38:36
  sorcery, power so that you're not like a child that's hanging
• 38:41
  out with adults. You got to be able to handle the
• 38:44
  dark and the light, and that doesn't mean you get into the
• 38:46
  dark stuff. You got to come to terms with it
• 38:49
  so that you're not susceptible and ignorant to how dangerous
• 38:53
  some of these beings that walk this realm are, and the other
• 38:57
  interdimensional ones as well. So being able to confront the
• 39:01
  terror of the world and not and be unflinching eventually so
• 39:05
  that you're not letting that overwhelm you.
• 39:07
  And that takes preparation, energetic preparation.
• 39:11
  And it's what we call shadow work is getting to know any
• 39:13
  wounded parts of yourself that might be offended by those black
• 39:17
  magicians or because if if you are offended, then you're
• 39:21
  easily, easily manipulated. You could be manipulated or
• 39:25
  scared. And so we want to become
• 39:28
  powerful enough to not get trapped in the world of sorcery
• 39:32
  or ignorance. And the middle path is what we
• 39:34
  call freedom. And so there's a way to unbind
• 39:39
  from those hijacks and choose the afterlife.
• 39:44
  So shamans of my lineage are not seeking power in this life.
• 39:48
  They're saving their energy to have an alternative type of
• 39:51
  dying so that they can enter into the afterlife consciously
• 39:55
  without recycling. And that is what they refer to
• 39:59
  as, you know, they say that you can live as long as the earth,
• 40:03
  but in a different layer of the onion.
• 40:06
  And so I'm choosing to not recycle this round and have
• 40:11
  another lifetime. I'm going to help from the other
• 40:14
  side, so to speak. OK, that's interesting there.
• 40:17
  There's a book I read called Journey of Souls.
• 40:20
  I don't know if you read that by Michael Newton.
• 40:24
  And one of the thing I mean, through regression therapy, it
• 40:30
  basically is a meta study on over 40 subjects and what is the
• 40:37
  commonality between them. And one of the things that it
• 40:41
  decodes is that there's these multiple layers of heaven.
• 40:45
  Source, you know, consciousness, whatever you want to call it, I
• 40:48
  call it, I call it heaven or source.
• 40:50
  But I also find when I'm in a journey state that I sometimes
• 40:54
  call it the river of consciousness.
• 40:55
  Sometimes I call it the astral plane.
• 40:57
  There's a lot of different things.
• 40:58
  I refer to it as it's all the same, same thing, but that once
• 41:03
  you get to a certain soul level and it's actually an aura that
• 41:10
  that you're able to see around the soul in heaven.
• 41:15
  And I think that I think it's like a purple aura, but once you
• 41:20
  get to that level, you stop incarnating and you're just
• 41:22
  there as a guide helping others. And the ultimate level is level
• 41:27
  7 where you just completely merge in with source and God.
• 41:31
  And the, you know, Michael Newton, who wrote the book, he
• 41:38
  said obviously he can't interview those people because
• 41:41
  they're not here anymore. And he has, I think in the book,
• 41:46
  he was only able to interview someone at level 5, was the
• 41:51
  highest level. Because one of the things he
• 41:54
  posted is that 75% of all humanity is at a level 1 soul,
• 42:00
  which is the most basic level. Meaning that they don't have
• 42:06
  this kind of embodiment, this, this, this communion with their
• 42:11
  soul and haven't yet figured out how to do that and haven't
• 42:15
  figured out how to alleviate their suffering so that their
• 42:19
  soul kind of advances from lifetime to lifetime.
• 42:23
  And so they're staying in a kind of a programmatic state.
• 42:27
  Like, you know, someone was wronged as a kid and then their
• 42:30
  whole narrative for the rest of their life is how they're
• 42:32
  wronged. And then that gives them their
• 42:34
  quote UN quote power. But really it's just an
• 42:36
  amplification of constant suffering.
• 42:38
  And so it sounds like you're at that level where after this
• 42:44
  lifetime we're going to stop incarnating, which is kind of
• 42:46
  cool to have you on this cause 'cause there's not many people
• 42:50
  I've met that are at that state of awareness.
• 42:55
  Yeah, it's told text referred to it as the somersault of thought
• 42:58
  into the inconceivable. So you you travel into many, you
• 43:02
  know, you basically anything you desire to do, you do all right,
• 43:06
  but you have to transcend the traps of like the sex money
• 43:09
  power part of it, because otherwise you would misuse that
• 43:12
  power. So it's very much freedom based.
• 43:15
  But lucid dreaming is just a taste.
• 43:18
  If you can become lucid in your dreams, you get to experience
• 43:22
  something similar to like an ayahuasca journey or something,
• 43:24
  but you're doing it all the time, even while you're awake.
• 43:28
  So it's what we call dreaming awake.
• 43:30
  And so like I'll be running in the mountains at night in the
• 43:34
  dark and I all the sudden I'm being held and I'm floating.
• 43:39
  Nobody can witness that. It's very personal, right?
• 43:42
  I wouldn't be able to do it in front of somebody because it's
• 43:44
  not meant to be shown. I could do it alongside.
• 43:47
  It what do you mean by flooding? It's called the gate of power,
• 43:50
  like all the sudden the darkness is holding you.
• 43:52
  You can't see anything in front of you, so it has to be the
• 43:55
  appropriate conditions. But you're dreaming body all the
• 43:59
  sudden kicks in and it you really you no longer have a
• 44:02
  physical form, but you're still technically running down the
• 44:06
  mountain or in the desert, but you don't feel your feet
• 44:09
  touching. It's just the most incredible
• 44:12
  feeling of like flying. And then shamans can buy locate
• 44:18
  from that state of perception. You can all the sudden cover
• 44:21
  great distances. Carlos Castaneda wants to sleep
• 44:25
  in his bed in Los Angeles and woke up in a bathtub in Tucson,
• 44:29
  AZ because his teacher was inviting him in a dream state to
• 44:34
  wake up, wake up here, wake up here.
• 44:37
  And water is a conduit for travel.
• 44:39
  So the bathtub was set up for him.
• 44:42
  And he had these powerful teachers that were pulling his
• 44:45
  dreaming body. Dreaming body went to the
• 44:47
  bathtub and then his physical body followed.
• 44:51
  And then he he had to take a plane home back to Los Angeles.
• 44:56
  So we've just barely tapped our potential.
• 45:00
  And I don't think that humanity's meant to all the
• 45:02
  sudden wake up to these things. I think it happens in stages.
• 45:07
  And so this force that is higher on the food chain is feeding off
• 45:11
  the 75%. But for those of us that aren't
• 45:15
  being fed off anymore, we get to graduate.
• 45:19
  And then eventually those other souls will start to graduate as
• 45:22
  well. And so I don't buy into this
• 45:26
  sudden utopian concept. I think the tyrants of this
• 45:29
  world are necessary as teachers. I think that the terror that
• 45:33
  occurs is part of becoming conscious and that everything is
• 45:37
  already perfect. It's like a perfect training
• 45:40
  ground for our soul. And that doesn't mean that we
• 45:43
  don't have run the risk of perishing because the ignorance
• 45:47
  of this realm is so detrimental to consciousness that we do need
• 45:53
  to really wake up enough people soon enough to make sure that we
• 45:58
  don't lose the opportunity to work from this place.
• 46:01
  So there's just a lot of potential for each individual.
• 46:05
  And the afterlife is a magical experience to tap into.
• 46:10
  And so there's two different ways of dying.
• 46:13
  And we want to become aware that that we can recapitulate all of
• 46:16
  our memories so that when we do crossover, rather than those
• 46:21
  memories flash before our eyes and all that awareness goes out
• 46:25
  of our system and we forget and come back.
• 46:28
  We get to keep all that experience and take it with us
• 46:31
  into the afterlife. So all of these experiences I'm
• 46:34
  having, I'm going to remember forever.
• 46:38
  But and when I crossed into the afterlife, I'll remember all my
• 46:42
  other lifetimes like you were talking about.
• 46:45
  It's, it becomes consolidated and it's all returns to you.
• 46:49
  I'll even be able to gain access to every dream I've ever had
• 46:53
  because everything's recorded like the Akashic records.
• 46:56
  It's just accessible. Well, that that's in journey of
• 46:59
  Souls. Is it actually when we cross
• 47:02
  that you have access to all the prior lessons and then you
• 47:07
  choose to Incarnate again to expand on and learn new lessons.
• 47:13
  So, so one of the things that that I want to come back to is I
• 47:19
  don't want to dance around something you're saying because
• 47:22
  I know that at this point in the podcast, people are probably,
• 47:26
  you know, starting to question what's going on here.
• 47:29
  So you keep talking about these forces that feed off of us.
• 47:35
  And one of the things that I'm having trouble grappling with,
• 47:39
  with that part of the conversation is I've had I've
• 47:44
  had these experiences with with God, with, with the prime
• 47:48
  creator. And that is a force completely
• 47:51
  rooted in love, complete love and care for us.
• 47:56
  And I have seen that, you know, the prime creator is the prime
• 48:01
  creator of all life throughout the universe.
• 48:05
  I definitely believe that we're not the only intelligent life in
• 48:08
  the universe. And there's many other souls out
• 48:13
  there. I mean, as far as we know, the
• 48:14
  universe is infinite and therefore God is infinite.
• 48:18
  And one of the things Chris Bosh found in LSD in the mind of the
• 48:22
  universe is he was trying to like really nail it down, like
• 48:25
  get to, OK, I now completely understand reality.
• 48:30
  And when he was on the Buddha at the Gas Pump podcast with Rick
• 48:33
  Archer, which I love that podcast.
• 48:35
  It's I think it's got 800 episodes now.
• 48:37
  It's been going since 2009. I mean, the well of content here
• 48:41
  is so deep. If you, if you take this, you
• 48:44
  know, spiritual path, which I would encourage everybody to do.
• 48:48
  But he said that when he got to this point where he felt like,
• 48:52
  OK, I've got it figured out. God then showed him this
• 48:56
  infinite, this, this infinite line basically showing him there
• 49:02
  is no end. There's no end to this
• 49:04
  knowledge. There's you could do this for
• 49:06
  the rest of your life and you'll never know and have everything
• 49:10
  figured out. And so why would why would there
• 49:13
  be these beans that feed off of us?
• 49:18
  And how the thing that I'm really confused about is how
• 49:22
  would they have not already conquered their own fear and
• 49:27
  allowed love to to transform them?
• 49:30
  And that what I mean by that is let's say for example, that
• 49:35
  aliens are here right now on Earth, then that means either
• 49:41
  they're multi dimensional or they've conquered faster in
• 49:43
  lightspeed trouble in this dimension, which I think
• 49:47
  actually we're going to be able to do.
• 49:50
  I, we don't really understand the laws of physics.
• 49:52
  We, there's never been a reconciliation between quantum
• 49:54
  physics and classical physics. And I explore that in the
• 49:57
  lattice. But if they've conquered faster
• 50:02
  and lightspeed travel and that's how they've got into Earth, that
• 50:05
  means they have faster and lightspeed weapons.
• 50:07
  And a faster and lightspeed weapon would obliterate the
• 50:09
  Earth in a nanosecond. We've had 0 defense.
• 50:13
  It would just boom, it's over. It would be worse than that
• 50:16
  scene in Star Wars where the Death Star, you know, shoots a
• 50:19
  planet and everybody on that planet dies because in that
• 50:23
  case, it wasn't faster and light speed.
• 50:24
  Like people can see it was coming faster and lightspeed.
• 50:27
  It's just over immediately. So if they're that much more
• 50:33
  superior than us and if they ultimately want to subjugate us,
• 50:40
  what's what's the point? Like and, and, and how does the
• 50:42
  prime creator sanction that? Or, or, or if maybe the prime
• 50:47
  creator has no opinion on that. Although although the prime
• 50:50
  creators deeply rooted in love for us.
• 50:53
  Yeah, it it's kind of like tough love.
• 50:56
  So it's it's a means to prepare us for the capacity to become
• 50:59
  creators ourself. And so these forces that are
• 51:02
  higher on the food chain, they're just in place to ensure
• 51:05
  that we gain the proper capacity to make full use of this
• 51:10
  incredible realm and on. And it's infinite capacity.
• 51:14
  And there, according to Toltecs, there's places you could go
• 51:18
  within this realm that would be destructive if you weren't
• 51:20
  ready. And so these, it's kind of like
• 51:23
  a, if you were to go out on the football field without any pads
• 51:26
  on and a helmet and you didn't know how to play the game, you
• 51:29
  would get really hurt really quick.
• 51:31
  So we, we need to gain the tools to be able to go to the abyss
• 51:36
  without getting destroyed. And there's a lot of beings that
• 51:41
  are involved in spiritual warfare and it's because of,
• 51:45
  just like in this world, there's pedophiles and there's all kinds
• 51:49
  of beings that are harming the innocent.
• 51:52
  That's not just here, that's in these other layers and these
• 51:56
  other dimensions. There's other dimensions within
• 51:59
  this reality. And then there's other entire
• 52:01
  realities that we can go to and they have their own dimensions.
• 52:06
  And so our ability to explore other worlds 'cause this is a
• 52:09
  multi world realm, but these beings that are interfering with
• 52:14
  us are not using any sort of physicality.
• 52:18
  They don't have any weapons of physicality.
• 52:20
  They're not operating from a physical place.
• 52:23
  Their, their capacity is, it's more vampiric and predatorial.
• 52:27
  They're they're very attracted to our light, just like you
• 52:31
  might be attracted to a woman that's beautiful and the light
• 52:34
  that she radiates. These beings are attracted to
• 52:37
  our light because it's beautiful and they are seeking that warmth
• 52:43
  and they won't like, they are designed by the creator to be
• 52:47
  attracted to that light. They have a, a light within them
• 52:51
  that's really dull and it, they live like millions of years
• 52:55
  where we live like maybe 100 a 150 at the most.
• 52:59
  Or, you know, some people have transcended that by preserving
• 53:02
  their energy and move in, but we're being interfered with for
• 53:08
  a reason. And it's not a negative, even
• 53:12
  though it sounds super negative. It's actually just a function of
• 53:18
  our soul contract to become conscious and aware.
• 53:22
  And it's sort of like a pattern that's in place that is from the
• 53:29
  creator itself as a means to make sure that we get the
• 53:33
  proper. It's kind of like a parent that
• 53:35
  is willing to prepare their child for rather than just throw
• 53:39
  your kid out to the wolves, you let him know about the dangers
• 53:43
  of this world. And so we're being taught a very
• 53:46
  valuable lesson, even though it feels negative.
• 53:48
  Wow, that's that's kind of blowing my mind on many, many
• 53:54
  levels, but it makes total sense.
• 53:57
  I mean, one of the books that that I've read a couple of Times
• 54:01
  Now, it's called 11 Days in May. It's by this guy, JD Messenger,
• 54:06
  and he's able to have a communion for 11 days in this
• 54:11
  cabin in May outside of Austin. Actually, he and I have become
• 54:15
  good friends and he's he's going to be on this podcast soon.
• 54:19
  He's actually the publisher for my upcoming book, which is
• 54:23
  called Love Conquers Fear with the subtitle Humanity, AI and
• 54:27
  the Age of abundance for all. And one of the things that he
• 54:32
  asked this being in the beyond, and I don't want to spoil that
• 54:37
  part of the book because you find out the end who it is is
• 54:41
  why do atheist exist? And they exist for the quest for
• 54:48
  people to find God. Like without atheist, there's
• 54:52
  there's not the quest. And and what you're saying makes
• 54:58
  so much sense to me that, you know, God, even though is a
• 55:05
  force that loves us completely and totally, we do learn through
• 55:12
  tough love as well. I mean, life is both suffering
• 55:15
  and love. And some of the best lessons we
• 55:18
  learn in life is through suffering.
• 55:20
  Yeah, hardship and ego death are necessary.
• 55:23
  And so Toltecs reach a point where they actually seek out a
• 55:26
  tyrant to go work for and be in the presence of so that they can
• 55:30
  develop the attributes of of controlled folly, which is
• 55:33
  patience, cunning, sweetness and ruthlessness.
• 55:36
  So if you can find a full-fledged tyrant person who
• 55:42
  has never been defeated, whose ego is, you know, massive and be
• 55:47
  under them without being triggered by that ego, then you
• 55:51
  develop this real calmness and capacity to handle adversity on
• 55:58
  a level that would make you indestructible.
• 56:02
  But if you're just trying to escape and purchase your way out
• 56:06
  of the tyranny of this realm and you're running away.
• 56:10
  So to cultivate this awareness, Toltecs test themselves in the
• 56:16
  world in the Matrix to see if there's a possibility of being
• 56:21
  in the most harsh conditions without being offended.
• 56:24
  Because our ego needs to be tested to see how resilient we
• 56:28
  are. Yeah.
• 56:30
  Have you ever read the book The Alchemist?
• 56:32
  Yeah, Yeah. It's pretty, pretty classic one.
• 56:35
  I read that recently. Was it in March?
• 56:40
  And there was, you know, when you have an experience with a
• 56:44
  book and you read a line like 50 times, have you read the
• 56:47
  audience? I will the line for me that I
• 56:50
  literally read 50 times, I was like, why is my soul going over
• 56:54
  this again and again and again? Is it's always darkest before
• 56:58
  the dawn? Yeah, absolutely.
• 57:00
  And do you feel that? I mean, I, I feel like there's
• 57:05
  so much good happening in the world at the same time where
• 57:09
  there's really some very dark forces for, for, for lack of a
• 57:14
  better way to call it. And do you feel like a big part
• 57:18
  of the darkness right now is so we can be born into the light?
• 57:22
  And yeah. Absolutely.
• 57:23
  The forces rise to meet each other.
• 57:26
  So, you know, there's a potential for the transhuman
• 57:29
  future to to hijack natural evolution.
• 57:33
  And if that were to happen, that would be destructive.
• 57:35
  We have to keep our spirit intact and not become robots.
• 57:39
  And so we need to learn how to work with technology, not fear
• 57:42
  it. But we also need to not let it,
• 57:46
  you know, not let AI be hijacked by, you know, malevolent beings
• 57:50
  or individuals that want to control humanity, which some
• 57:53
  people are actually trying to do.
• 57:56
  So we're really in a dangerous situation, but it's usually when
• 58:00
  our backs are against the wall where we discover our capacity.
• 58:04
  And so that's the time we're heading into, unfortunately, is
• 58:07
  we're going to have to go through some real collective ego
• 58:09
  death as a means to discover that we're much stronger than we
• 58:13
  realized and that we can kind of pull some tricks out of our hat,
• 58:19
  so to speak. And realize, like the Toltecs
• 58:21
  didn't know how powerful they were until the conquistadors
• 58:24
  came. They looked under every stone to
• 58:26
  make sure they could obliterate the spirituality of the Toltec
• 58:29
  lineage. So that's when the Toltecs
• 58:32
  learned how to buy locate. That's when they learned how to
• 58:35
  hide in plain sight. That's where they learned how to
• 58:38
  pretend that they were submissive when really they were
• 58:40
  just sneaking into the slave camp in order to free everybody.
• 58:45
  So we're going to have to become as daring as Geronimo and some
• 58:49
  of those tales that we've learned about from some of those
• 58:51
  more magical native people or, you know, the, the, the
• 58:55
  transcended masters and stuff. We're not separate from that.
• 58:59
  It's just that we, we're going to be put in situations that are
• 59:03
  going to be what we call trials of, you know, desperate nature.
• 59:09
  And, and it's through transcending the desperateness
• 59:12
  and becoming calm in the face of adversity that the greatest
• 59:15
  clarities will come to our, to our minds, into our hearts, and
• 59:20
  we'll be able to integrate those those discoveries.
• 59:23
  I mean, one of the things for people listening to this or
• 59:27
  watching this is, and it makes me uncomfortable to talk about
• 59:31
  this, but I'll, I'll, I'll talk about it because it's just kind
• 59:34
  of it's, it's, it's hard to even reckon with.
• 59:37
  So, you know, one of the issues we have right now in the world,
• 59:41
  like let's pretend that you and I just came here and we're
• 59:46
  trying to assess where the threats to humanity are.
• 59:50
  One of the things that you and I would pretty quickly zero in and
• 59:53
  in on is nuclear weapons. There are 13,000 in the world
• 59:58
  today. And then we would ask ourselves,
• 1:00:02
  what percentage of today's nuclear weapons out of the
• 1:00:07
  13,000 would it take to destroy all the significant size cities
• 1:00:12
  in the world and send the world into a nuclear winter for over a
• 1:00:16
  decade, killing billions of humans, untold billions of
• 1:00:18
  animals. What do you think the percentage
• 1:00:20
  is? I'm guessing it's super low,
• 1:00:22
  like like 5%. It's 2%, yeah.
• 1:00:26
  We have 50 times today. And then we would ask ourselves,
• 1:00:31
  is humanity still making these weapons?
• 1:00:35
  You know what the answer to that is?
• 1:00:36
  Yes. And China's never made more. the
• 1:00:39
  US is making a lot right now. And then we would ask ourselves,
• 1:00:43
  So what do humans call this? Do you know what it's called?
• 1:00:46
  There's an acronym for it. It's a Department of Defense
• 1:00:50
  term. The acronym is MAD if it stands
• 1:00:54
  for mutually assured destruction, it's a hijack of
• 1:00:58
  our amygdala. And that's today.
• 1:01:00
  We have that today. And so we do have fear that we
• 1:01:06
  have to transcend. Like it's really urgent that we
• 1:01:09
  transcend this and allow love to conquer fear.
• 1:01:12
  Because already, I mean, you know, AI, quantum computing,
• 1:01:16
  robotics, I think can bring an enormous amount of light to the
• 1:01:19
  world. I agree that it's always how we
• 1:01:22
  use the technology. You know, in 11 days in May, JD
• 1:01:26
  Messenger asked this question about nuclear weapons because it
• 1:01:30
  was something that he used to be, he used to work on a nuclear
• 1:01:33
  sub, you know, and he, you know, when he was in the military and,
• 1:01:37
  and it really bothered him. It shook him to his core that
• 1:01:41
  there are these nuclear weapons and he knew how destructive they
• 1:01:45
  they are. And he knew these types of
• 1:01:47
  statistics that I'm giving you. And, you know, we have to, we
• 1:01:53
  have to ultimately transcend this.
• 1:01:55
  It's always how we use technology.
• 1:01:58
  And in that book, he talked about nuclear weapons.
• 1:02:01
  You know, the the answer he got back from the being he was
• 1:02:05
  communicating with are neither good nor bad.
• 1:02:09
  It's how they're used. And in that case, they were used
• 1:02:12
  to stop World War 2, which was a good thing.
• 1:02:17
  But it's a, it's a, it's all about intent.
• 1:02:21
  You know, we continue to build these things and they're real
• 1:02:23
  weapons. It's not like a fake weapon that
• 1:02:26
  we're using to like kind of fake each other out to hijack the
• 1:02:29
  niggdalo. They're real weapons that could
• 1:02:32
  actually be detonated. And, you know, now we have this
• 1:02:38
  absolutely exponential of exponential curve coming online.
• 1:02:43
  And what I've been shown is that this is God's final exam for
• 1:02:47
  humanity. It's it's in it's in the
• 1:02:50
  lattice, and it's God's way of forcing us to transcend and to
• 1:02:55
  really reconcile with we have to collectively wake up.
• 1:02:59
  Love has to conquer fear for us to hit that transcendence.
• 1:03:03
  I think what you've studied with with the Toltec practice is the
• 1:03:07
  same thing, but it's just coming at it from different angles.
• 1:03:12
  Yeah, yeah, I, you know, so I have this very positive
• 1:03:16
  perspective that it's a test, but also when that person goes
• 1:03:21
  to start that process, that something would happen and the
• 1:03:25
  timeline would shift and it wouldn't actually play out OK.
• 1:03:29
  Like the the creator is incredibly capable that we're
• 1:03:32
  not capable of self destruction. Right, that's really
• 1:03:36
  interesting. But we need to believe that we
• 1:03:38
  are in order to become awake and realize how valuable life is.
• 1:03:45
  And so, you know, I watched a man cutting a tree, a really
• 1:03:50
  beautiful huge tree, and he started shaking because the tree
• 1:03:54
  was fighting back. He ended up getting through it
• 1:03:57
  and the tree died and all that. But there is great pressure on
• 1:04:01
  humanity through the creator force to make sure that certain
• 1:04:05
  ego deaths happen right at the right moment.
• 1:04:08
  And so I have this incredible trust that forces always rise to
• 1:04:13
  meet each other. And so I don't believe the earth
• 1:04:17
  is capable of being destroyed. I think we're capable of
• 1:04:20
  destroying ourselves. But if it was to the detriment
• 1:04:23
  of this living being that gives life, which is the earth,
• 1:04:26
  because I, we say that the the the mud of this earth is what
• 1:04:30
  makes the clay of our bodies that we're directly connected.
• 1:04:33
  We come from the stars, but we became physical through her.
• 1:04:36
  And so I just, even though I totally believe you that the the
• 1:04:43
  potential for the danger is significant, I believe that
• 1:04:46
  we're being guided through a hidden hand and that we're
• 1:04:50
  ultimately everything's going to be incredible.
• 1:04:53
  Yeah. Well, I am 95% certain that we
• 1:04:57
  make it. So, you know, there are people
• 1:05:00
  like Eliza Rydkowski who just came out with a book.
• 1:05:03
  I think the titles were all going to die, but he's like 95%
• 1:05:07
  certain that we're not going to make it.
• 1:05:08
  I'm definitely going to invite him on the podcast 'cause I
• 1:05:10
  want, I want people on that also disagree.
• 1:05:14
  I've had two people on the podcast now with Byron Reese and
• 1:05:18
  Vishal who are 100% certain that we're going to make it.
• 1:05:22
  And it sounds like you're 100% certain that we're going to make
• 1:05:26
  it because of these balancing forces.
• 1:05:29
  Yeah, we can't destroy creation. It's more powerful than we are.
• 1:05:34
  And and so shamans say grandfather, grandmother,
• 1:05:37
  creation, great mystery, and it's all one and we're all one.
• 1:05:41
  Even though there's these terrible beings that are trying
• 1:05:44
  to destroy the world, we're actually still intimately in
• 1:05:49
  oneness with them. And, and that's what's really
• 1:05:52
  hard to come to terms with is how it lost these souls our
• 1:05:55
  brothers and sisters had become. But ultimately that's part of
• 1:05:59
  the process is to come face to face with our potential to
• 1:06:04
  destroy ourselves without actually being able to, because
• 1:06:08
  the Creator is so capable of overseeing everyone at all
• 1:06:11
  times. Right.
• 1:06:12
  Wow. That is it's, I mean it syncs so
• 1:06:16
  well with so much I've read. It's just kind of blowing my
• 1:06:18
  mind. So do you think that, and I've
• 1:06:21
  heard you talk about this on other podcasts, you call them
• 1:06:24
  the Flyers, Do you think the point is that we need to defeat
• 1:06:29
  them in some type of spiritual or, or that we need to allow
• 1:06:35
  love to conquer our own fears, radiate a lot more luminosity
• 1:06:39
  ourselves, and therefore we transcend their power over us
• 1:06:47
  completely? Yeah.
• 1:06:48
  So the Flyers are the ones that run the foreign installation,
• 1:06:51
  which is that second mind that's not natural.
• 1:06:54
  And for us to come out of that mind and find our natural mind,
• 1:06:59
  then the Flyers are no longer able to be higher on the food
• 1:07:02
  chain. They would be forced to then
• 1:07:04
  evolve and discover love. But they are in fear of being
• 1:07:08
  caught. They're, there's like, they're
• 1:07:11
  like a kid with her hand in the cookie jar afraid Mom's going to
• 1:07:14
  come around the corner any second.
• 1:07:16
  And, and so they don't want to be exposed.
• 1:07:19
  And so if you ever experienced A tremendous amount of fear that
• 1:07:23
  doesn't feel like a lots of anxiety or something that
• 1:07:27
  overwhelms you once you realize it's not yours, it's just a, a
• 1:07:32
  program of an installation, then you can move beyond it.
• 1:07:37
  But it's kind of that, you know, things get really dark before
• 1:07:41
  the light is revealed. So I've had some very difficult
• 1:07:43
  moments where I thought everything, you know, was going
• 1:07:47
  to be just like I was going to die, but it was an ego death,
• 1:07:54
  right? And so there's just, yeah, this,
• 1:07:56
  this is not a negative thing that this predator energy is
• 1:07:59
  here, but it does have its own course of discovery process.
• 1:08:05
  And we need to basically expose it as a parasitic entity and
• 1:08:10
  stop giving it our energy in order for it to become capable
• 1:08:15
  of moving into its next stage, where it moves, you know, where
• 1:08:20
  it discovers its potential to be a loving creature.
• 1:08:24
  That's so, that's so cool. Like one of the things I explore
• 1:08:26
  in the Lattice is that all of the advanced beings that have
• 1:08:32
  reached our level of intelligence and well, we, we,
• 1:08:36
  we are still need to reach into higher levels of intelligence
• 1:08:38
  ourselves. They get to a point where love
• 1:08:43
  does conquer fear and it and it happens over and over and over
• 1:08:47
  again in the universe. And, and the last short story in
• 1:08:53
  the novellas called God's Infinite Game that just
• 1:08:56
  continues throughout. Yeah, all the time.
• 1:08:59
  Infinitely, yeah. It's that's what we call
• 1:09:01
  Infinity, or the third attention.
• 1:09:03
  There's the first and 2nd and 3rd attention.
• 1:09:06
  First attention is like the physical world and the second
• 1:09:09
  attention is the dreaming travel, the ability to explore
• 1:09:12
  the world's and eventually those two merge and we be we in the
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  afterlife. We get a glimpse of the third
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  attention and then we recycle and come back unless we did a
• 1:09:22
  particular lived a particular lifestyle where we can stay in
• 1:09:26
  the third attention. And so much is accessible from
• 1:09:29
  the third attention. It's a place in which you get to
• 1:09:32
  still experience what it's like to be physical, but without any
• 1:09:36
  limitation whatsoever. And it's just a playground of
• 1:09:39
  intensity. But you wouldn't be able to hang
• 1:09:41
  out there had you not become energetically powerful.
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  It's not just granted we have to earn it, and that's what this
• 1:09:51
  realm is for, is to earn access to the infinite.
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  Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, you know, one of the one
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  of the recommendations I would have is that people read the
• 1:10:02
  book The Untethered Soul by Michael Singer, because once you
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  get to the point where you can capture a negative thought or
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  program, let it go, it's incredibly freeing.
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  And I have had this experience with, with I don't know what to
• 1:10:24
  actually call it, but with dark energy where I'm able now
• 1:10:29
  through the level of reading and practice I've done to capture it
• 1:10:33
  and let it go and actually protect myself from it.
• 1:10:37
  And it allows me to radiate a lot more love in this world.
• 1:10:44
  And of course, it starts with, you know, conquering your own
• 1:10:47
  fears and loving yourself and having that communion with your
• 1:10:51
  soul to know what your purpose is.
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  And, and know that, you know, a lot of people ask me like, how
• 1:10:58
  do I have so much energy? And honestly, it's because I'm
• 1:11:02
  living my purpose. Like when you know that and you
• 1:11:06
  know, I, I'm sure you feel the same way.
• 1:11:08
  Like you can. It's not energy draining when
• 1:11:12
  you're in alignment with your purpose.
• 1:11:13
  And you know, Viktor Frankel in the book man search for meaning
• 1:11:18
  he survived 4 concentration camps during during World War 2.
• 1:11:23
  And he was so in alignment with his purpose that he then created
• 1:11:28
  an entire field of psychology called logotherapy afterwards
• 1:11:34
  and wrote 15 plus books. And he had lost really
• 1:11:38
  everything, all material items, you know, people that he loved
• 1:11:43
  family members and he but he knew that he was born for that
• 1:11:47
  purpose. And it's not, it's not really a
• 1:11:50
  spiritual book, but it is a spiritual book.
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  He doesn't talk about it in terms of God or heaven or
• 1:11:56
  anything like that, but it's a very accessible book.
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  And, and so I can, I can understand what you're saying.
• 1:12:05
  I haven't had this experience with, with calling, whatever
• 1:12:11
  that is, the Flyers, but I can tell you that the being able to
• 1:12:16
  capture and let go of any dark energy forces and just boom,
• 1:12:21
  just let it go and protect yourself from it.
• 1:12:25
  And, and I actually have sometimes these conversations
• 1:12:28
  where I can feel it trying to come in and I just stop it and
• 1:12:32
  just reject it and let it out. That's yeah, it's there's a way
• 1:12:36
  to insulate yourself so that you're not as susceptible as as
• 1:12:40
  the collective humanity is. And so we call it living an
• 1:12:43
  impeccable life. You move beyond discipline and
• 1:12:47
  you discover a way of being so in such a harmonious state of
• 1:12:52
  being that when those forces show up, you're able to detect
• 1:12:57
  it and therefore recognize that it's not your thought, it's
• 1:13:02
  another, it's, it's something else.
• 1:13:04
  And you you can just discard it. And it can be really
• 1:13:09
  uncomfortable and intense at times.
• 1:13:11
  As you become stronger, there's, it's like there's a program here
• 1:13:15
  that is adjustable. So as you get stronger, the
• 1:13:19
  program has to step up its game to try to control you.
• 1:13:24
  And so often a really powerful person will be tempted to become
• 1:13:28
  like a cult leader or something because that's the way the
• 1:13:30
  program is run now. Since you are no longer a
• 1:13:33
  victim, it has to try to convince you to be victorious
• 1:13:37
  over others. Neutrality is critical that we
• 1:13:40
  remain humble and that even though we step into leadership
• 1:13:44
  and gain social power or even energetic power, that we don't
• 1:13:48
  misuse it and there's forces that will try to get you to do
• 1:13:53
  that. So this place is constantly
• 1:13:56
  testing us in the most profound ways.
• 1:13:58
  Yeah, yeah. It's an interesting aspect of
• 1:14:02
  our school which we are constantly being tested and and
• 1:14:06
  really the purpose is, I understand it, of lifetime to
• 1:14:11
  lifetime is to continue to grow and expand our ability to
• 1:14:17
  manifest love, manifest service to each other, help each other
• 1:14:23
  grow and ultimately eventually transcend this reality
• 1:14:31
  altogether. Absolutely, yeah.
• 1:14:33
  The the some of the books I love reading the most are like Doctor
• 1:14:37
  David Dawkins and, you know, Anthony Damello, like some of
• 1:14:41
  these authors who you could tell they were on a spiritual level
• 1:14:45
  where they're about to stop incarnating.
• 1:14:47
  Yeah, Damello really blew my mind.
• 1:14:49
  I'm really thankful for him and. Awareness Do you agree to what
• 1:14:52
  he's? One of my favorite books.
• 1:14:53
  You know so. So I had tarot on who is the
• 1:14:56
  founder of four Sigmatic, which I put in my smoothies every day.
• 1:15:02
  And it's not a four Sigmatic ad. I don't get any money from Tara.
• 1:15:05
  I just give him money for his products.
• 1:15:07
  But but he's, you know, he's become very successful and he
• 1:15:10
  went on his own soul quest back when he was around 18, I think,
• 1:15:14
  and read over 130 books by the time he was 20.
• 1:15:17
  And I asked him what was his favorite.
• 1:15:18
  It was awareness by Anthony Namelo, beautiful, beautiful one
• 1:15:21
  on Audible because he's like the George Carlin of spiritual
• 1:15:24
  teachers, right? He's laughing out loud and he's
• 1:15:26
  making you laugh. Humor is such a beautiful true
• 1:15:29
  serum. It is, Yeah.
• 1:15:30
  You know, the most advanced spiritual people I know are
• 1:15:33
  hilarious. Yeah.
• 1:15:34
  You know, they're, they're very much enjoying their life.
• 1:15:37
  And so Toltecs are very irreverent.
• 1:15:40
  They they make fun of themselves.
• 1:15:42
  They. They very much act like
• 1:15:43
  children. But they're also reverent,
• 1:15:46
  right? They're very serious people
• 1:15:47
  because they're focused on making every moment count and
• 1:15:51
  they believe you can slow time down.
• 1:15:52
  And really have a profound relationship with the non
• 1:15:55
  linear, even in a linear construct.
• 1:15:58
  So that's where the not doings come in moving beyond the
• 1:16:01
  meditation into that what we call the active side of
• 1:16:03
  Infinity. And but it takes being able to
• 1:16:06
  be really light and and lightness comes with great
• 1:16:08
  humor. And so I I hang out with a lot
• 1:16:11
  of really funny people in my life as a means not not silly,
• 1:16:15
  not even spiritually advanced one.
• 1:16:16
  Some of them are just have incredible capacity to crack me
• 1:16:20
  up. So I like to hang out with them
• 1:16:22
  even though we're not on the same path.
• 1:16:23
  So it's it's just important to have a diversity of friendships
• 1:16:27
  and be open to that. You can learn so much from
• 1:16:29
  people. Like part of my training is we'd
• 1:16:31
  go hang out with the old Indians living under bridges, drinking
• 1:16:35
  wine in Missoula back in the day.
• 1:16:37
  And they were like prophets. They the things that would come
• 1:16:40
  out of their mouth, even though they were living the
• 1:16:42
  schizophrenic alternative lifestyle.
• 1:16:45
  You know that old Paul Simon saying that the prophets are
• 1:16:48
  written on the subway walls or whatever?
• 1:16:50
  It's it's a, there's a meaning, there's information and signs
• 1:16:53
  and omens everywhere. And so our ability to not take
• 1:16:56
  ourselves too seriously is pretty critical.
• 1:16:59
  Yeah, it's, it's, it's something that is a, it's a
• 1:17:02
  misunderstanding about. Well, I would say it's a, it's a
• 1:17:06
  judgment around highly advanced spiritual people that people
• 1:17:10
  assume they're on some mountaintop just meditating.
• 1:17:14
  And they do do a lot of meditation or they have this
• 1:17:17
  regular communion with their soul, but they're actually like
• 1:17:20
  really funny and joyous people. I remember when I studied with
• 1:17:25
  Swamiji Partha Sarathi, I was studying Vedanta in India.
• 1:17:30
  And the thing that blew my mind at the end of it is they they
• 1:17:34
  put on a performance with all the people at the Academy.
• 1:17:38
  And it was one of the funniest performances I've ever seen.
• 1:17:41
  Like in a Broadway play. I mean, it wasn't like that
• 1:17:45
  scale, right? But none, none of that mattered.
• 1:17:48
  It was like who was performing and how funny it was.
• 1:17:51
  And I was like these the people here that have really studied
• 1:17:56
  Vedanta had got into a level of spiritual enlightenment where
• 1:17:59
  they're just in play, they're in flow at such a an incredibly
• 1:18:04
  beautiful thing to see. And it's and we all have that
• 1:18:07
  capacity. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 1:18:08
  The reclaiming of our youth, right.
• 1:18:10
  That's the Toltecs premise, is that we can get that, that
• 1:18:13
  really joyful expression back. And so we practice the
• 1:18:18
  recapitulation. And the more you recapitulate
• 1:18:20
  your memories, which is a technique of breathing in the
• 1:18:23
  energy you left in the past and exhaling anything that you took
• 1:18:26
  on from others. As you do that, your memories
• 1:18:30
  get stronger, you start having access to more and more
• 1:18:33
  memories. And pretty soon you get back to
• 1:18:35
  like, it's really hard to get here, but you can start
• 1:18:38
  remembering stuff from zero to three and even remember being in
• 1:18:41
  the womb and then eventually remember choosing to come here,
• 1:18:45
  you know, and, and, and things of this nature or the moment of
• 1:18:48
  your conception. So life does begin at
• 1:18:51
  conception, according to the Toltecs, because they, they went
• 1:18:55
  back to it that it's like The Big Bang of, of, you know,
• 1:18:58
  becoming your own spark of light and being brought in here
• 1:19:02
  through that very powerful act. And so Toltecs actually actually
• 1:19:06
  try to find out how they were conceived as a means.
• 1:19:09
  Like, was it loving? Was it boring?
• 1:19:11
  Was it, you know, like I had a friend that was conceived on
• 1:19:14
  LSD. Both, both his parents were on
• 1:19:17
  LSD when they're conceived. So he came in with all this
• 1:19:19
  extra energy, but it made his life really difficult because he
• 1:19:22
  couldn't stay focused on simple things.
• 1:19:24
  He was just too excited. And he became like, you know,
• 1:19:27
  getting in and out of jail and getting in trouble a lot.
• 1:19:30
  But so everyone's blueprint determines so much about how
• 1:19:34
  their activities go. So we just want to learn to make
• 1:19:37
  fun of our story, get to know all the youthful energy that we
• 1:19:40
  can and remember the pure affection we felt when we were
• 1:19:44
  just running around as little kids and be able to merge that
• 1:19:48
  with becoming a healthy adult. Because most people aren't
• 1:19:51
  actually adults. They're kids pretending to be
• 1:19:53
  adults that didn't really grow up.
• 1:19:56
  And that's why so much trauma and kids are raised in an
• 1:20:00
  unconscious environments where they don't realize, they think
• 1:20:03
  their parents know what's going on.
• 1:20:05
  And it's only until they become adults, usually they realize mom
• 1:20:07
  and dad didn't really have a clue, you know?
• 1:20:10
  And so that's the sort of the spiritual journey, but it's not
• 1:20:14
  a negative because everybody needs some sort of trauma.
• 1:20:18
  As a means to go through the rite of passage of just being
• 1:20:21
  here. So I'm not at odds with my
• 1:20:23
  parents for the mistakes that I could say were mistakes but
• 1:20:27
  weren't really mistakes at all. They were just part of the plan.
• 1:20:30
  That was me of my soul growth. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 1:20:35
  Suffering is an amazing teacher. Benjamin Franklin, one of his
• 1:20:39
  famous quotes is Pain is Instructive.
• 1:20:42
  He's he might be my favorite entrepreneur of all time.
• 1:20:45
  Don on said wisdom comes painfully and in dribblets.
• 1:20:50
  So, you know, one of the things I want to circle back to on
• 1:20:53
  nuclear weapons, I just want to kind of honor and I really,
• 1:20:58
  really love what you said about these balancing forces.
• 1:21:01
  I think that's a really important message.
• 1:21:04
  And what what do you think about these moments in time where
• 1:21:10
  we've gotten close with destroying ourselves and these
• 1:21:15
  forces have showed up, You know, people called, they assume
• 1:21:19
  they're aliens. I I think they actually may be
• 1:21:22
  angelic. I mean, I don't know what they
• 1:21:24
  are, but they show up and actually show what power they
• 1:21:29
  have. Like they make it where even
• 1:21:32
  though these facilities are highly protected, all of a
• 1:21:35
  sudden all ability to fire the weapons goes offline.
• 1:21:40
  And I'm sure you've you've read about this, heard about it, It's
• 1:21:43
  been highly documented and it's been declassified.
• 1:21:46
  So this is, these are actual facts.
• 1:21:48
  This isn't some conspiracy theory and they don't know
• 1:21:54
  what's causing that. But then there's there's been
• 1:21:58
  these sightings of, you know, things that could be coming in
• 1:22:01
  from different dimensions, etcetera.
• 1:22:02
  What, what do you think that is? What's the Toltec interpretation
• 1:22:06
  of that? Is that aliens?
• 1:22:08
  Angels. What is it?
• 1:22:11
  Yeah. You know, they say there are
• 1:22:13
  many, many different types of beans that that share this world
• 1:22:17
  with us, that they call them inorganic beans and there's
• 1:22:21
  helpful ones and then there's ones that are the opposite, you
• 1:22:24
  know, and that they both serve or both sides serve a purpose.
• 1:22:30
  I don't believe that we're in a physical world.
• 1:22:33
  We're experiencing it as a convenience.
• 1:22:35
  And so I don't believe that our salvation is in going to other
• 1:22:39
  planets. I think it's all tapping into
• 1:22:43
  the other layers of this realm, which is like an onion.
• 1:22:47
  And so I think we share this actual Earth with many, many
• 1:22:50
  different beings, which you could refer to as alien because
• 1:22:55
  they're not like us. They have a totally different
• 1:23:00
  energetic configurations. And I believe we can go out into
• 1:23:04
  the stars and visit those consciousnesses, those those
• 1:23:08
  wandering stars, which we call planets.
• 1:23:10
  And the stars are all awarenesses and I think they
• 1:23:14
  have the ability to project themselves.
• 1:23:16
  So I think we're being intervened with by the star
• 1:23:18
  systems that they come down and make sure that we don't destroy
• 1:23:23
  ourselves. And they're full of love and
• 1:23:25
  they're very much like, like probably you and I have a star
• 1:23:30
  that we are a projection of and, and our and we go back there.
• 1:23:35
  And so we're a multi faceted nature.
• 1:23:38
  I do think that there are angelics.
• 1:23:40
  I think that there are demonics and they think there's spiritual
• 1:23:43
  warfare. And I think we have to become
• 1:23:47
  capable of witnessing and being aware of it.
• 1:23:52
  And we don't want to get caught in that spiritual battle
• 1:23:54
  ourselves. We want to find that neutrality
• 1:23:57
  because you become your enemy and you end up having to fight
• 1:24:00
  something. And so Carlos Castaneda said
• 1:24:03
  that that the battle is in the chest.
• 1:24:05
  It has to do with your heart. And if you get lost in trying to
• 1:24:09
  defeat something because it's trying to hurt you, then you
• 1:24:12
  become what what is attacking you in a sense.
• 1:24:14
  And so I feel for all those beings that are caught in those
• 1:24:19
  spiritual warfares, but I also think there's higher, there's
• 1:24:22
  super evolutionary beings in the angelic world that are helping
• 1:24:26
  and not caught up in the battle. So there's different variations
• 1:24:30
  of, of these storylines. And yeah, I just think when
• 1:24:33
  something is about to, when we're, I think things are not
• 1:24:36
  linear. And so you can look into the
• 1:24:39
  future and see what happens if certain actions are taken.
• 1:24:43
  And so beings from the future come in and they make sure
• 1:24:47
  certain things don't occur, to make sure that there's
• 1:24:50
  continuity for humanity. And, and you know, for those
• 1:24:54
  that are listening, I have this profound deep love for humanity,
• 1:24:58
  all of humanity. But for those listening who have
• 1:25:02
  given up on humanity, as I, I had this dinner actually with
• 1:25:05
  Martin Gober and we've had some of the most famous
• 1:25:11
  entrepreneurs, AI scientist, etcetera at that dinner.
• 1:25:14
  And one of them said, I've seen what job humanity has done.
• 1:25:19
  And I literally felt pain in my heart.
• 1:25:21
  I felt pain in my heart. And I thought, wow, like you've
• 1:25:25
  given up on humanity and it hurt.
• 1:25:29
  It literally hurt. I felt physical pain.
• 1:25:32
  And what would you say to them about like, why do these other
• 1:25:38
  beings care about us? Like why do they want to save
• 1:25:41
  us? Well, I think we are them.
• 1:25:44
  They're like a future version of us.
• 1:25:46
  So it it's not linear. They're coming back to make sure
• 1:25:49
  we don't destroy ourselves because it's us saving ourself.
• 1:25:55
  Like we become angelics eventually we become all these
• 1:25:58
  more advanced races, but it's just our it's our
• 1:26:02
  transformation. Like a Caterpillar turning into
• 1:26:04
  a butterfly. Yeah.
• 1:26:06
  So if we're in a materialistic, linear world and that's all we
• 1:26:11
  know, then that is such a painful, hopeless place to be
• 1:26:17
  in. So, you know, Carlos Castaneda,
• 1:26:20
  one of his assignments was to walk away from all of his money,
• 1:26:24
  literally not take a credit card or anything, and go start over
• 1:26:28
  in a town without anything to prove that he was capable, that
• 1:26:32
  this realm is sentient and that will, it will guide you out of
• 1:26:35
  the most miserable conditions if you're willing to do whatever it
• 1:26:39
  takes and that your heart is open.
• 1:26:41
  He had to beg for a job and a place to sleep.
• 1:26:43
  So he got to live in, at somebody's basement, which was
• 1:26:46
  filthy. And he got to learn to be a
• 1:26:48
  cook, a fast food cook or a line cook in a breakfast place.
• 1:26:53
  And he was able to get himself out out of poverty within like
• 1:26:57
  30 days because he, he had the energy.
• 1:27:00
  So we can prove to ourselves that even in the most difficult
• 1:27:04
  situations, we're totally capable.
• 1:27:06
  Like I used to hitchhike out of town with nothing and I would be
• 1:27:09
  given a place to stay and a job and my boss would give me a draw
• 1:27:13
  so I could eat. It's if you're in a heart based
• 1:27:17
  open minded perception, the universe will send the most
• 1:27:21
  incredible people your direction to make sure that everything's
• 1:27:24
  OK. That's that's very solesting
• 1:27:26
  prophecy. I'm sure you've.
• 1:27:28
  Read that oh many times. And that that is the Dao, yes,
• 1:27:32
  as well. That's the Dao De Ching.
• 1:27:34
  It's the the the Dao. Another word for God, another
• 1:27:37
  word for consciousness. So, So what should have said
• 1:27:43
  blew my mind again, because I've, you know, I, I grew up
• 1:27:48
  reading tons of sci-fi and you know, part part of the reason
• 1:27:55
  I've started companies outside of that is my sole's purpose is
• 1:27:59
  to create that future, be a part of that creative process, like
• 1:28:03
  create the future that we want. Rejecting the dystopian, but
• 1:28:08
  realizing that that darkness of the dystopian sci-fi is to bring
• 1:28:13
  in the light. You know, something like Black
• 1:28:15
  Mirror exists on Netflix to show us what happens unchecked.
• 1:28:20
  And that allows us to manifest more, more light.
• 1:28:25
  But one of the things that I've said that you just blew my mind
• 1:28:28
  on is if we could take all of our possessions, you know, today
• 1:28:32
  and all the people we cared about.
• 1:28:35
  And really it's all the people we care about much more than
• 1:28:38
  possessions. And we could go to any other
• 1:28:41
  point in the past, we probably wouldn't go there because we are
• 1:28:47
  living in the best time. But I've also said if we could
• 1:28:50
  go 100 years out from today. So we're now in the year, you
• 1:28:57
  know, three, well, let's let's just say 100 years out.
• 1:29:00
  So we're in 2125, I don't think we'd recognize humanity.
• 1:29:05
  I think, I think it would be so transcendent that they would
• 1:29:09
  appear as gods to us. Like they would be able to open
• 1:29:13
  their palm and manifest an object.
• 1:29:16
  And we wouldn't understand what was happening at the Nano level
• 1:29:18
  and how they were able to do that and how the technology was
• 1:29:23
  so ethereal at that point. And 1000 years from now, do you
• 1:29:29
  think a lot about that? Yeah, yeah, I love the movie
• 1:29:32
  Cloud Atlas, or even the book. I don't know if you've seen it,
• 1:29:35
  but it's just showing. It's just the same story over
• 1:29:38
  and over, but in totally different settings.
• 1:29:41
  And those settings are so extremely different.
• 1:29:44
  So in in the future version, they have an AI goddess named
• 1:29:47
  Sami and they think that she is God because there was a
• 1:29:52
  recording left from the past where she was telling humanity
• 1:29:55
  about a secret. And that's the only thing they
• 1:29:58
  had at relic of the past. So they assumed it was the
• 1:30:00
  creator. And then they end up finding
• 1:30:03
  out, you know, that it wasn't. And that just destroys their
• 1:30:05
  whole religion. And but yeah, I think we're
• 1:30:08
  we're going to be witnessing marvels and also really scary
• 1:30:13
  aspects about technology too, and our ability to really just
• 1:30:18
  appreciate this moment because when you die, all moments are
• 1:30:23
  equal. It's it's just all one moment.
• 1:30:26
  And so this might be this very moment we're having, might be
• 1:30:31
  the last moment I remember when I cross or something.
• 1:30:34
  And so you just want to be really open to the idea that it,
• 1:30:37
  there really isn't a past or a future.
• 1:30:40
  And yet we can, we, we can traverse.
• 1:30:45
  So shamans do dream what they call, they call them dark
• 1:30:48
  dreamers, and they dream of the future.
• 1:30:51
  And there's some pretty horrific things to look at.
• 1:30:54
  And there's even different timelines that we could choose.
• 1:30:57
  But that doesn't mean it's all destructive.
• 1:30:59
  It's just that we have to go through different stages of
• 1:31:02
  intensity, and I believe that we're in the most magical moment
• 1:31:05
  right now. But I also believe we've been
• 1:31:07
  lied to about how the past was and that there's truths that
• 1:31:11
  have been hidden on purpose by beings that are trying to make
• 1:31:14
  sure that humanity goes in a particular direction.
• 1:31:17
  So I think the past was really powerful and some dreamers go
• 1:31:21
  back into those times when before the Flyers got here and
• 1:31:27
  we were at the peak of our power and we were crossing into other
• 1:31:31
  layers of the onion, traversing into other worlds at with ease.
• 1:31:36
  And so I'm open to, as a dreamer, using this as the base
• 1:31:42
  dream and getting glimpses of the future returning to these
• 1:31:46
  past, even though I don't think of it that way.
• 1:31:48
  It's sort of just other scales of intensity.
• 1:31:51
  And but I wouldn't, I have no complaints about the way things
• 1:31:55
  are. I think that there's just so
• 1:31:59
  much potential for us during this difficult transition to
• 1:32:03
  become aware of our light and our power that, you know, I
• 1:32:07
  wouldn't ever want to escape this experience.
• 1:32:10
  I'm excited and thankful and I just so appreciative to be here.
• 1:32:15
  That's, that's really beautiful. And, and, and I want to double
• 1:32:18
  click on something you said there, because I very much
• 1:32:21
  agree. I think that there was an aspect
• 1:32:23
  of humanity that was much more human than we are today in terms
• 1:32:27
  of understanding the power of our bodies and understanding the
• 1:32:31
  power of our minds. And there was a demonization of
• 1:32:37
  those people as primitive or savage, and that we lost a lot
• 1:32:43
  of wisdom and we're rediscovering that wisdom.
• 1:32:46
  And I actually think that AI and quantic PPE and robotics is
• 1:32:50
  actually going to give us more intimacy with what makes us most
• 1:32:55
  human. This chase for inventing
• 1:32:58
  sentience or consciousness in machines, I think it's going to
• 1:33:03
  make us grapple with the superpowers we already have.
• 1:33:06
  Yeah, Toltec say that knowledge is not information.
• 1:33:09
  Knowledge is power and not and power is perceptual, not
• 1:33:15
  financial. Or, you know, whoever has the
• 1:33:17
  most advanced technology wins. It doesn't work that way.
• 1:33:21
  Again, forces rights to meet each other.
• 1:33:23
  And what actually matters is your ability to make use of your
• 1:33:26
  perception to become lucid. And if you become lucid, then
• 1:33:30
  your capacity to become free and liberated is so much more than
• 1:33:34
  somebody that's clinging to a technological tool that you
• 1:33:38
  can't take with you into the afterlife.
• 1:33:40
  I'm preparing for the afterlife, not concerned about, you know,
• 1:33:45
  making sure I get my hands on the thing that's going to
• 1:33:47
  protect me from the people that have discovered this, that and
• 1:33:50
  the other. I trust deeply in my personal
• 1:33:54
  power to be insulated because I'm listening to my I'm
• 1:33:58
  following my signs, omens and feelings and I'm being guided.
• 1:34:03
  And therefore I know that I'm walking very closely with God.
• 1:34:08
  I'm not separate. And so when you feel that way,
• 1:34:11
  you know you don't have to really live in fear anymore.
• 1:34:15
  And there's just so much more. There's an expansiveness to
• 1:34:19
  that. So knowledge being power rather
• 1:34:22
  than information ends up being a really liberating discovery.
• 1:34:26
  So that's, that's beautiful. It really is just just, that's
• 1:34:31
  the only thing I can say about that is it's, it's really
• 1:34:33
  beautiful. And I, I want to dive into
• 1:34:38
  because I, I hadn't heard of the Toltecs before.
• 1:34:41
  Mark Gober, can you give just a brief history of like, how did
• 1:34:45
  the Toltecs manifest? How did this, what's the history
• 1:34:49
  of the Toltec tradition? Who, who started it?
• 1:34:52
  How did it evolve? Well, so the Carlos Crossanada
• 1:34:56
  books explain that there's two different types of Toltecs.
• 1:34:59
  There's the Toltecs as far as the bloodline, and then there's
• 1:35:02
  what they call the Toltecs, which is not necessarily a
• 1:35:05
  bloodline. It's a, a type of knowledge.
• 1:35:08
  So you just because you were born of a Mexican American
• 1:35:11
  heritage that is associated with Mayan or Toltec, doesn't mean
• 1:35:15
  that you have this capacity to to do dreaming, to use your
• 1:35:21
  power to discover different aspects of of your perception.
• 1:35:26
  Toltec is a name given to certain people that achieve
• 1:35:31
  these states of consciousness. So I can refer to myself as a
• 1:35:35
  Toltec even though I'm not a Mexican American because I'm a
• 1:35:40
  practicing Toltec dreamer where there's another version of what
• 1:35:45
  they call Toltec which is based on history.
• 1:35:48
  I believe that the historical accounts have been changed and
• 1:35:52
  are not accurate and I actually haven't bothered to study the
• 1:35:56
  the the background to the point that I could explain it as a
• 1:36:00
  historian. I would just say that in Mexico
• 1:36:05
  there is incredible amount of power.
• 1:36:07
  There's a lot of brujos and brujas that are misusing their
• 1:36:11
  power, that there's a lot of witchcraft and sorcery that goes
• 1:36:16
  unchecked, and it's a very dangerous world to move into
• 1:36:21
  learning about that side of things.
• 1:36:24
  But the Mayans were very advanced.
• 1:36:28
  Toltecs were feared. The Olmecs even feared them.
• 1:36:31
  It was a very advanced race of beings that were capable of
• 1:36:36
  manipulating perception over humanity.
• 1:36:39
  So they took slaves. There's a dark history to
• 1:36:42
  sorcery. The Mayans were the ones that
• 1:36:46
  were able to transcend this place.
• 1:36:48
  And even though people disagree with this historically that I
• 1:36:51
  believe through oral tradition, we know that the Mayans learned
• 1:36:55
  how to dream and learned, became so proficient as dreamers that
• 1:37:00
  they were able to gather in a large group and practice over
• 1:37:04
  time dreaming into another layer of the onion and eventually walk
• 1:37:08
  out of this world in mass. And they were able to to escape,
• 1:37:12
  I think a cataclysm or a catastrophe where others maybe
• 1:37:16
  survived it. And I think that might be part
• 1:37:19
  of our journey is that we might have to, with the times ahead,
• 1:37:22
  learn to do things of that nature.
• 1:37:24
  And I think we can look to the Mayans of the Toltecs as beings
• 1:37:28
  that learned something that's critical to our survival because
• 1:37:33
  we might need to occupy a different layer of the onion
• 1:37:35
  during a time where things might get really out of balance here.
• 1:37:39
  And that's that kind of back against the wall moment where we
• 1:37:42
  really discover that there's so much more to what's possible and
• 1:37:45
  what we are. So when you're in Mexico doing
• 1:37:50
  this work and doing the movements that I teach and
• 1:37:53
  practicing the dreaming arts, you feel the ancient power of
• 1:37:56
  these beings. And the reason these movements
• 1:37:59
  that I teach are so helpful is because they were discovered in
• 1:38:03
  states of heightened awareness by the shamans of ancient Mexico
• 1:38:07
  during the peak of their power, during the peak of their joy.
• 1:38:11
  And so they make you feel really alive and activated, and it
• 1:38:15
  helps you with great moments of clarity.
• 1:38:18
  So I'm more in touch with the energetic lineage rather than
• 1:38:23
  knowing the historical information.
• 1:38:26
  So Carlos was taken to the Museum of Anthropology by Don
• 1:38:30
  Juan in Mexico City, and he was given a completely different
• 1:38:35
  history based on all the statues than what the tour guide would
• 1:38:40
  tell you. They have all these things they
• 1:38:42
  say about all this statue means this and it means this.
• 1:38:46
  And then so Carlos did both the tour guide version and then he
• 1:38:49
  had Don Juan's version and they couldn't have been more
• 1:38:51
  different. So we are under such hypnosis
• 1:38:54
  around what we think. The nature of reality is that
• 1:38:57
  we've attributed teachings to these ancient relics that are
• 1:39:03
  totally fast backwards, and it's our ability to extract ourselves
• 1:39:07
  from that hypnosis and really feel into the energetic imprint
• 1:39:12
  of what those statues represent. All right, I'll say there's
• 1:39:15
  these 3 statues at the Museum of Anthropology. 1 is covered in
• 1:39:20
  tattoos, the other one's got like half of its body in
• 1:39:23
  tattoos, and the third one has very few.
• 1:39:25
  And it is assumed that the one with all the tattoos is old
• 1:39:29
  because it had a lifetime of tattoos and that's what that
• 1:39:32
  represents. And then the the and it looks
• 1:39:34
  older. And then the, the one with the
• 1:39:36
  half the tattoos looks a little younger.
• 1:39:38
  And then the one with very few tattoos looks even younger.
• 1:39:43
  But Don Juan explained to Carlos, it's not that one's
• 1:39:45
  older, it's that the one that doesn't have the tattoos
• 1:39:49
  recapitulated his life. And so he's no longer marked by
• 1:39:53
  his experiences. So there's a way to become like
• 1:39:57
  a child again when you're no longer carrying the baggage of
• 1:40:00
  your past when you re, when you re, if someone were to smoke DMT
• 1:40:04
  and look in the mirror, they would see symbols all over their
• 1:40:07
  energy field. Like my buddy that's really into
• 1:40:09
  like football and cannabis. There's like pot leaves and like
• 1:40:13
  Green Bay Packers symbol because that's like his life.
• 1:40:16
  So we're marked by what we're into.
• 1:40:19
  You can erase those markings. So a lot of people that use DMT
• 1:40:23
  do so to see their markings and then find ways to release those
• 1:40:27
  markings. We don't want to be filled with
• 1:40:30
  symbols. We want to be just pure, bright,
• 1:40:32
  luminous beings that don't have any markings at all.
• 1:40:35
  And that's what those statues represent in the Museum of
• 1:40:39
  Anthropology. It's they, they left these
• 1:40:41
  pieces of information for us that are mysterious and have
• 1:40:45
  secrets to unveil to us. And you actually will receive
• 1:40:49
  that. And if you're in a heightened
• 1:40:51
  state of awareness, those statues are alive and they
• 1:40:54
  communicate these teachings because they were built by
• 1:40:57
  sorcerers and dreamers that were very gifted at leaving
• 1:41:02
  impressions in what we call inanimate objects.
• 1:41:05
  But in the, in the, in the shamanic world, stones, trees,
• 1:41:10
  plants all communicate and have consciousness and our ability
• 1:41:14
  to, to communicate with a tree like the redwoods.
• 1:41:17
  I mean, these are magical conscious beings that can have
• 1:41:22
  help you in the most profound ways.
• 1:41:24
  If you spend times being saturated in the redwoods, it
• 1:41:27
  will change your life. And I've, I've done that most of
• 1:41:29
  my life. It's been in nature, having
• 1:41:32
  communion with nature, and it sounds woo, but it's not.
• 1:41:35
  It's just really profound to be, as you know, in in Japan, they
• 1:41:38
  call it forest bathing. And our ability to heal has a
• 1:41:41
  lot to do with connecting to the earth.
• 1:41:43
  Yeah. Yeah, I always feel better in
• 1:41:46
  nature. I've the favorite trips that I
• 1:41:49
  have with Deborah actually are hiking trips.
• 1:41:52
  And as we're recording this, she's right now in the Dolomites
• 1:41:55
  in Italy. How beautiful on a hiking trip
• 1:41:57
  with with one of her best friends.
• 1:41:58
  Oh amazing. So the I've I've never done DMT
• 1:42:05
  and I don't plan to do DMT but but one of the films that one of
• 1:42:11
  my friends sent me that's coming out it it's it's about DMTI.
• 1:42:15
  Don't know if you've heard of this, but it's one where he set
• 1:42:17
  up these two lasers and people can inhale DMT and see in this
• 1:42:25
  cross point and a laser so that everything is code and it's a
• 1:42:29
  repeatable. And there's a documentary coming
• 1:42:32
  out about it and he's trying to make the case we live in a
• 1:42:36
  simulation as a result. What do you think about them?
• 1:42:40
  Yeah, I do think that we are in a type of simulation, and that
• 1:42:45
  doesn't mean that the world isn't natural.
• 1:42:47
  It's just that we're so much more advanced than we than we
• 1:42:52
  realize and we're playing something out right now that we
• 1:42:55
  need to not be isolated to. So the events of throughout time
• 1:43:02
  are so precise in the nature of how they happen.
• 1:43:07
  I've learned a lot from the Archaics channel, Jason
• 1:43:11
  Brashears, He has studied this stuff extensively.
• 1:43:15
  And it's basically proven without a doubt that we're
• 1:43:17
  dealing with a simulation when it comes to events that are put
• 1:43:22
  in our face through news, like we're inside of a story that's
• 1:43:25
  designed to entrap us. And so I highly recommend people
• 1:43:29
  not pay attention to the events that are being pushed on us
• 1:43:33
  because they're all designed to capture our attention so that we
• 1:43:38
  don't learn how to come out of the simulated environment.
• 1:43:43
  So I believe we're in a holographic projected reality.
• 1:43:46
  It's not physical, it's a dream, and if you eat enough mushrooms
• 1:43:50
  you'll discover that. But it's also the most scary
• 1:43:52
  experience to have, because the physical world is what makes us
• 1:43:56
  feel safe. But we are luminous creatures
• 1:44:00
  and we've been tripped, tricked and trapped by forces that have
• 1:44:05
  outmaneuvered us. But it's not negative.
• 1:44:07
  It's just like I said before, it's just that there's energies
• 1:44:12
  that are higher on the food chain that have figured out how
• 1:44:14
  to keep us from discovering what we are.
• 1:44:17
  Because if we do discover what we are, then we're going to be
• 1:44:21
  able to free ourselves from the bondage that these beings have
• 1:44:24
  had the luxury of keeping us in. And the Creator designed it that
• 1:44:28
  way as a means to test everyone. And and to get us to figure out
• 1:44:35
  the way to wake up Yes, exactly. And the and the waking up is to
• 1:44:41
  become more loving, luminous beings.
• 1:44:45
  Basically, that is the whole point of the Earth school is to
• 1:44:48
  constantly be climbing into hidden states of love, service.
• 1:44:57
  And the neat thing about the synchronicity in in the roots of
• 1:45:02
  all religions is that they all agree on us this point.
• 1:45:05
  They all agree that the whole point is to be able to love
• 1:45:10
  ourselves so we can love others, and that we're all connected, as
• 1:45:14
  Mark Gober would say, the one mind.
• 1:45:16
  Yeah, yeah. Being of service, you realize
• 1:45:19
  that if you are of service, then the energy of the universe comes
• 1:45:22
  back and supports you. So it's almost selfish to be of
• 1:45:26
  service because it leads to you having the most ecstatic
• 1:45:30
  experiences through that love. So it's like the return on
• 1:45:33
  investment increases and the more you break out of patterns
• 1:45:38
  that are heavy and limiting, that 100th monkey thing kicks in
• 1:45:43
  and you're, you're becoming a energetic, you're giving
• 1:45:47
  energetic permission for others to do the same.
• 1:45:49
  And you become a lighthouse. And you, you're, you get
• 1:45:52
  brighter and brighter. Your eyes get more luminous,
• 1:45:55
  you're able to see energy, you're able to see people's
• 1:45:57
  intentions, you're able to feel their vibration and their
• 1:46:01
  frequency and know who to stay away from and who to hang out
• 1:46:03
  with. And you, you're not able to be
• 1:46:06
  lied to because you're not lying to yourself.
• 1:46:09
  So we're in a perfect environment for that potential
• 1:46:13
  to become of service. And when you're of service, you
• 1:46:17
  feel great purpose and meaning and connection.
• 1:46:21
  And we, it really is the one mind.
• 1:46:22
  It's the oneness, I say aloneness is all oneness.
• 1:46:27
  And so we need to spend time alone.
• 1:46:29
  We need to spend time alone without distraction.
• 1:46:32
  And the most beautiful connection to source occurs in
• 1:46:35
  those, you know, experiences with our self.
• 1:46:40
  And so I practice a lot of shamanic dreaming practices that
• 1:46:44
  where you have to be alone. They're just designed that way.
• 1:46:48
  And it can be really uncomfortable at times, but when
• 1:46:54
  you are no longer needing validation from people, then you
• 1:46:58
  get the validation directly from the earth, from the sun.
• 1:47:02
  I practice sun gazing and I am in communication with the sun.
• 1:47:06
  I believe that I go through the sun when I leave here that we
• 1:47:09
  are, we are all like the sun is like a projector and we're all
• 1:47:13
  part of that and or extensions of that projector.
• 1:47:16
  So I I think that even though we're in a situation that's
• 1:47:20
  tricky, it's designed that way for a reason.
• 1:47:24
  Do you do you recommend people analyse their dreams?
• 1:47:32
  So I believe that when you're having a dream and you're say,
• 1:47:36
  your aunt and your uncle are yelling at you or something,
• 1:47:38
  that it's not actually your aunt and uncle.
• 1:47:40
  It's not a figment of your subconscious memory like we were
• 1:47:43
  told. You're actually interacting with
• 1:47:46
  interdimensional beings that are pretending to be your aunt and
• 1:47:49
  uncle to get a rise out of you. They're actually trying to get
• 1:47:54
  you to become conscious that you're in a dream so that you
• 1:47:56
  can look at your hands, realize you're in a dream, and then they
• 1:48:00
  can teach you things. So even though these beings are
• 1:48:02
  predatorial, they also want to take you to the other levels of
• 1:48:06
  attention because that's where you know humanity will evolve.
• 1:48:11
  And they're seeking in a weird way through the Creator force.
• 1:48:14
  They're trying to teach us and help us even though they're
• 1:48:17
  messing with us. So I'm not a dream analyzer.
• 1:48:20
  I think all that Freud and all that stuff was designed to
• 1:48:25
  confuse us. I think they knew the truth
• 1:48:27
  about dreams, that they're intermensional beings
• 1:48:29
  interacting with us and they got us spun out on.
• 1:48:33
  Now I'm not saying there isn't times where your dreams, the
• 1:48:39
  events of a dream, don't have a significant teaching and that
• 1:48:43
  you could learn to decode what the meaning is.
• 1:48:46
  But I think a lot of what those analysts have left us with has
• 1:48:50
  tainted us with a story that makes us repeat dream patterns
• 1:48:54
  that are hijacking us from using dreams in magical ways.
• 1:48:58
  So I avoid the analytical part and focus more on trying to
• 1:49:04
  become conscious that you're in a dream, because then you can
• 1:49:07
  have control over your dreams. And then you can start to live
• 1:49:10
  24 hours a day. And instead of just having these
• 1:49:14
  slight memories of what happened and what you try to make sense
• 1:49:17
  of it all. I think there's so much more to
• 1:49:18
  it than that. Yeah, One of the things that
• 1:49:21
  that is in my lineage is my grandfather was an incredible
• 1:49:26
  mathematician. Oh, cool.
• 1:49:27
  He taught taught here at UT Austin and he would dream in
• 1:49:30
  mathematics so often times come up with the proofs and my father
• 1:49:35
  was an incredible inventor and would often dream about how to
• 1:49:40
  solve the problem in an invention.
• 1:49:42
  I was programming since I was 7 and I would often dream in code
• 1:49:47
  and I would wake up with the answer and then go quickly to
• 1:49:51
  the computer. And it was, it was especially
• 1:49:53
  those nights where it's really frustrating, where it's like, I
• 1:49:55
  know that there's this problem and I just like ran out of it.
• 1:49:59
  I was just exhausted. And then in the dream, I'd
• 1:50:02
  figure out the problem, I'd wake up and solve it.
• 1:50:05
  Yeah, there's, there's guidance in the in the dream, there's
• 1:50:08
  other beings telling us things. So like one of my teachers would
• 1:50:11
  be given information about certain truths about this world
• 1:50:16
  that he had no, no idea of. And then he'd Google it the next
• 1:50:19
  day. And sure, as you know, it just
• 1:50:22
  was exactly what he was told in the dream.
• 1:50:24
  So it's a validation of, you know, we're being given direct
• 1:50:27
  information. So a lot of inventors either get
• 1:50:30
  it in a moment of clarity while they're in this dream or in a
• 1:50:33
  deeper level of dreaming. So it's super valid.
• 1:50:37
  I mean, I've always looked at that as a connection to the
• 1:50:39
  divine. Yeah, as well.
• 1:50:41
  As you're saying, sometimes it's connection with other beings.
• 1:50:44
  It opens you to everything, right?
• 1:50:45
  So we're very unaware of the power of dreams where other
• 1:50:49
  beings are much more active. And so we're kind of
• 1:50:52
  susceptible. But yeah, there's also the most
• 1:50:55
  incredible. So just because there's beings
• 1:50:58
  that are interfering, there's also the balance of beings that
• 1:51:00
  are trying to make sure that we, you know, become feel of the
• 1:51:04
  love and support that's all around us.
• 1:51:06
  Yeah. I.
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  Definitely believe they're beings that have learned how to
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  navigate consciousness and whatever this 96% of the
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  universe that we don't know what it's made of and we just call it
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  dark energy and dark matter that they there have to be beings
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  that know what that is and know how to navigate it.
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  And we haven't yet figured that out.
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  Yeah, and that's OK. Or at least in this lifetime.
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  Yeah, maybe. Maybe our future selves right
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  have already figured it out and and are trying to teach us.
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  Yeah, I think there's, we're not meant to be any further along
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  than we are as individuals and collectively.
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  And it's all part of the process.
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  It's a necessary stage that we're in, but we aren't, we are
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  not aware of what we are. We refer to ourselves in a
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  limited capacity because we think we're in a physical
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  experience, but the physicality is a hallucination.
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  When it comes to hallucination, the word there's no such thing.
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  If you're having, if you're on LSD and you're seeing like Mario
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  Brothers jump across the room, that's just your interpretation
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  of an energy that showed up in the room.
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  And it's you're seeing it through your filter because you
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  played Mario Brothers so much as a kid that you're seeing it
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  shaped as that thing. But it's actual energy that
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  showed up or it's always been there, but for the first time,
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  LSD made it possible for you to witness energy.
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  But the hallucination part is we call it hallucinating.
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  So I feel really bad for schizophrenic people as they
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  were seeing energy all around them.
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  Like if you walk, you see someone on the street and
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  they're like, they're like grabbing behind them and
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  something's tugging on their shirt.
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  They're actually being messed with by beings that we can't
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  see, but they can. And so we put them in a mental
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  ward and give them drugs instead of take them to shamans that
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  could help them. But usually they spent so much
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  time on the street alone that there's no saving them anyways,
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  even with the most advanced shaman because they've gotten so
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  lost. But if we if we, you know,
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  there's a real dark history to the mental institutions into
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  psychiatry and unfortunately that's being kept that way on
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  purpose because there's some nefarious.
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  Forces and they could be healed by.
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  It could be, you know. What one of the things that that
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  I just want to emphasize for people listening to this is that
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  since reading Proof of Heaven by Evan Alexander, he's going to
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  he's going to be on the podcast next year and be staying at our
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  house and I'm really excited to host him.
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  And we're have a dinner here and he's going to speak at the
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  Jewish Austin men's group that I'm a member of.
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  It's actually largest gathering of Jewish men in Texas.
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  So I'm really excited about that.
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  But you know, he calls his near death experience and encounter
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  with ultra real. He says it's way more real than
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  this reality. And since reading that book,
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  I've now had 7 friends who have told me that they've had an
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  experience like that and they never told me.
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  And I mean, here I am 53 years old, you know, thinking I'm a
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  pretty nice guy, like very open, like, you know, and they were
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  afraid of what I would think about them.
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  And I'd write them off as, as as woo.
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  And I wouldn't have, but they didn't know that.
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  And reading that book, I just want to relate it to what you've
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  just said in that I haven't had a near death experience.
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  I've had psychedelic experiences where I've touched what the
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  reality is, but that is I think the ultimate experience.
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  And I don't wish a near death experience on any of I want
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  anybody to, to have a near death experience to experience that.
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  But the the ultra real is it is a very real thing.
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  I mean, I would have to assume that all seven of my friends are
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  lying. I would have to assume Evan
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  Alexander is lying for what? For gain and what way doesn't
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  even make sense that logically they would be lying.
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  And and that's that's one of the things I loved so much about
• 1:55:12
  Mark Gober's books. I don't want to end on that
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  because he's the one that introduced us is that, you know,
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  he went so meta on the analysis to try to get to well, what is
• 1:55:21
  this reality? And you know, he he helps people
• 1:55:27
  that are skeptical because you can find the scientific proof
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  for the ultra real and what consciousness is now we're still
• 1:55:38
  all grasping at it even with that.
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  So we need to remain humble in that.
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  But there is a reality beyond and we could call that heaven.
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  We could call that source. Whatever it is, it's deeply
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  rooted in love, and that's our soul's dominion.
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  Yeah, they they say you get to, you reach certain gates of
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  dreaming where you become more and more conscious and you can
• 1:56:05
  go deeper and deeper in the dreams.
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  And eventually you wake up in a dream that's more real than this
• 1:56:10
  dream. And usually it scares you pretty
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  bad and you and all of a sudden you find yourself back in your
• 1:56:15
  bed because it shocks you how and how real it is.
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  And so, yeah, we're just, we're just at the discovery stage and
• 1:56:22
  really appreciate Mark that he doesn't jump to conclusions.
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  He when it when he doesn't know, you say, I don't know, you know,
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  and that's really helpful in the truth or community.
• 1:56:31
  A lot of people are caught up in trying to say they know this,
• 1:56:34
  that and the other and Toltecs are pretty bold in what they
• 1:56:37
  claim. And I'm always try to buffer it
• 1:56:39
  that the Toltecs say this. I, I'm trying to learn and
• 1:56:42
  understand if they're accurate, but I, I really believe there's,
• 1:56:46
  we've yet to scratch the surface and that there's so much more
• 1:56:50
  realness to interact with. And people like Mark are really
• 1:56:54
  helping to bridge those that are skeptical to those that are more
• 1:56:59
  open. And and so I'm really glad that
• 1:57:02
  someone of his pedigree of his past was able to make that leap
• 1:57:06
  and transition from, you know, that type of lifestyle that he
• 1:57:10
  was in to the one that he's now expanding into.
• 1:57:12
  Cause that's going to give people permission to do that
• 1:57:15
  same process. That's what we need is people
• 1:57:18
  coming over from that side of the fence that are very science
• 1:57:22
  based, start to move into a more expansive spiritual process.
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  It's just critical. Well, I'm I'm part of that.
• 1:57:29
  Yeah, yeah, yeah. Good for you.
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  Man, you know, I'm using this this megaphone that has been,
• 1:57:34
  you know, hard earned to try to help humanity, you know, try to
• 1:57:39
  help with the collective awakening underway and try to
• 1:57:42
  help us find that light within ourselves and really get rid of
• 1:57:49
  the dark also within ourselves. Are trying to control us and
• 1:57:53
  just let it go so that we can have a collective descendants as
• 1:57:57
  humanity and ultimately evolve to this age of abundance for all
• 1:58:02
  where truly we look at each other with the divinity within
• 1:58:07
  us all and with this connection to want abundance for for
• 1:58:13
  everyone. You know I I start out in my
• 1:58:16
  book talking about Chad and how, you know if we can create a
• 1:58:20
  noises in Chad, we can create an Oasis anywhere.
• 1:58:22
  And I think the answer for Chad is AI and robotics, but
• 1:58:27
  ultimately divinely guided. You know it.
• 1:58:30
  It's always how we use the technology.
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  I really, really enjoyed this brother.
• 1:58:35
  This was this was absolutely amazing.
• 1:58:37
  Thanks for having me on. Really good to meet you and
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  thank you for being of service in the way that you are man.
• 1:58:42
  Well, thanks so much. It means means a lot coming from
• 1:58:44
  you. Well, thanks again everybody for
• 1:58:46
  tuning in to Love Conquers Fear. As I mentioned on the last
• 1:58:52
  episode about to hit the road, I leave for New York City this
• 1:58:56
  week and you'll see the podcast from there.
• 1:59:00
  And then I'm in San Francisco the next week at Ted AI and and
• 1:59:06
  recording there as well with several of the top investors in
• 1:59:11
  the world. Stay tuned and thanks again for
• 1:59:14
  sharing all the comments. I really appreciate it.
• 1:59:17
  Again, I'm not doing this for any type of capitalistic motive.
• 1:59:23
  I'm really doing this for deep love of humanity and to make an
• 1:59:26
  impact out there. In Full disclosure, you know, as
• 1:59:29
  I've said from the beginning, I'm also using this as an
• 1:59:34
  exploratory medium to ultimately find where I do want to point my
• 1:59:39
  arrow to help us enter that age of abundance for all.
• 1:59:43
  The thing that I know how to do is capitalism.
• 1:59:47
  I think it's a amazing organizing force and I'm going
• 1:59:51
  to continue to practice in it. I've started 6 businesses and
• 1:59:55
  have no intention of slowing down on that.
• 1:59:57
  But ultimately, I'm not starting businesses until sometime next
• 2:00:01
  year. And I can't even predict for you
• 2:00:03
  what those are going to be. But I can predict for you that
• 2:00:07
  this medium that we're interacting in right now who
• 2:00:11
  hope, which hopefully is inspiring you to do more and
• 2:00:15
  maybe pick up some books I've recommended like Martin Gober's.
• 2:00:18
  Or to start a company or join the company, you've seen a lot
• 2:00:22
  of great entrepreneurs on here already and a lot of great
• 2:00:25
  investors that you could reach out to that that helps us
• 2:00:30
  manifest more light in the world.
• 2:00:33
  So stay tuned and thanks again. Really, really appreciate it.