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Thank you. Now here are the hosts of the
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United We Scan podcast. And welcome back, everybody.
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Episode 60. Oh wow, we're moving up in the
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world. So tonight we're all just kind
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of hanging out. We know the Super Bowl's on why
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we're recording this, so we really don't have a huge agenda
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at all. We're just going to hang out and
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chit chat and cover a few things.
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You know, we got an e-mail to go over and a few other things to
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discuss, but other than that, how was your week, Josh?
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My week was pretty damn good. It was only there Monday and
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Friday. Filled out 120 day letter.
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Monday afternoon gave it to the supervisor.
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Her desk is all the way across the floor, work room floor for
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more of my cases by the back door.
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She signed it and handed it back to me.
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So I made a cut, you know, I made a copy of it.
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I scanned it in and sent it to my AD Rs so he could send it to
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the person that actually assigns the RC as to the routes when
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they come in. And Friday morning I gave it to
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the opening supervisor and said yeah, she signed it but didn't
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keep a copy for herself so. We'll see.
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And I marked my calendar for 120 days from Monday so I can get
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that 8191 and submit it if need be.
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What? What about Brown dating it?
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Well, unfortunately they don't have access to.
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Two Pros are supposed to have brown dates but and the clerks
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up at the window. Well by then the the window is
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closed. They won't stamp anything
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anymore. They won't date anything
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anymore. Supervisor has to get it dated,
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but it is signed and dated. However, I think the supervisor
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was not paying attention and she put 2/5 or whatever that date
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was of 23, not 24 when she signed it.
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So it's untimely now. Well I broke 24 on it so when I
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dated it. Decided to go find her time
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machine though, right? Yeah.
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James, how was your week? The usual at the post office,
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other than one day I did get a half a tray of raw mail.
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Well, second pass DPS. It wasn't in full order and it
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was literally the DPS right out of my trays, but the supervisor
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gave me 15 minutes for it 8127 time and also had a full tray of
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raw another day literal raw that time and had to case that it
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gave me 25 more minutes. I'm 8127 times I almost do an
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hour of 8127 time for a week. Other than that, just normal
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stuff. And of course love getting
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emails and information from people of things that are
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occurring that we don't have access to anymore.
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So it's great to be involved with that stuff and learn that
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stuff. And also getting all the
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messages from people has been really inspiring as well.
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That's been my week, pretty much.
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Bill, how was your week? Well, it it's been surprisingly
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quiet and light mail wise, flat wise, parcel wise.
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And of course some some of the older veterans of our office are
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like this is just like the mail count.
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Well, you know that's it's not that way anymore.
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But the question you know that I have to ask is are are they
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going to have people in the plants checking all the volumes
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in regards to the mini Mail survey, we have a, I'll say less
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than inspiring ADR for our region.
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So I'll be on top of that in regards to what she's doing.
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We also had a situation where past Sunday, our Subs were out
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delivering the Amazon. Well, we contracted with Amazon
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and we delivered Amazon a Sunday, but we're delivering
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everything else too. We're delivering USPSU, PS:,
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FedEx and any other. Jimmy John comes down the road
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on Sundays and our Subs were concerned because on average
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they do 120 to about 160, maybe 170 stops.
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Not packages stops because you can have multiple drops or an
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address. They were averaging 240 to 300
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and working 9 hour days on a Sunday and they're swearing by
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God that they're taking Monday stuff out.
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So I bypassed the whole system, went directly to the Dr. to see
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if we can find out you know whether or not they're doing it.
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Because in our office we do have a parcel sorting machine which
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is set up to deliver static routes under the the West, what
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we call them W routes on in our office.
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So they can be diverting Monday packaging for Sunday deliveries,
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which is going to be hurting our evaluation.
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Now unfortunately they're already paying us on last year's
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mini mail survey evaluation. So technically we're getting
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paid for what we did in in within the last year and then
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they're turning around and they're paying the Subs on
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Sunday for the same deliveries we're getting credit for for the
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past year's you know data. But next year it it will turn
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around and we won't be getting credit for what the Subs are
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doing this year in in that circumstance.
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I said you know let's make the call and find out what's going
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on and hopefully we can get some resolution to it.
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I'm not confident, but you know I'm waiting for the old comment.
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Management's allowed to mismanage.
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Other than that, you know it's been a fun week, you know, and
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ended up with two days with the grandchildren and there's
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nothing more glorious than having a grandchild throw up on
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you, let me tell you, and the and the poor little guy and and
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and me, I'm. I'm more concerned about not
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getting on the carpeting in the living room.
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So I'm just letting him throw up all over my chest, you know, and
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keeping it between me and him and my wife goes, what do you
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want to do? I we're walking right up to the
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shower. We're in the shower like this.
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And it's funny because we got, got got the little guy showered
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and you know, got to change the clothes and everything.
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And he, he just turned around and fell asleep in my arms.
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And there's nothing more precious than that, I'll tell
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you. It's, you know, with all all
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this shit that goes on in the world, you know all the
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complaints we have about work and management, our union, and
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every other thing that bothers us.
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It is so beautiful to have a child fall asleep in your army.
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And that's how my week ended. Oh, that sounds like an amazing
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ending to the week for. Sure, yeah, I I am a softy at
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heart until you piss me off. The week wasn't too bad.
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Week. I think all the parcels I didn't
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have the week before found their way back to me this past week.
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Male was average and well, yeah, my parcels were back.
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And then we started the OJT for my new sub yesterday and that
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actually went really well. So I only had to jump in,
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deliver, not even a quarter of the route really was just like
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10 hours worth just to get us back up on schedule.
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And then I let him take back over again and we were back just
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under evaluation. Oh, I can't complain about that.
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Day #2 is tomorrow. We'll see what training on a
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Monday's like. But he is very gung ho.
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He catches on quickly and I'm looking forward to this because
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soon as I get him trained, I think after Wednesday, I think
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I'm starting training another new RCA on Thursday.
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I don't know when I'm actually going to get back to my route.
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Because. They got two more RC as that
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just finished up Academy to train.
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Bill, I did find out. I forget who it was that told
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me, but the difference between when they used to label them L
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and now they're W. Right.
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The difference between with the L or the West for the Sunday
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runs is if it's stands as dynamic or static.
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Right. But that that doesn't dictate
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whether or not they're throwing the Monday stuff on there.
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You know that's that's just the designation static or
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designation for the static so that the carriers can use the
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scanners to set the loads up, you know, right.
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So it but it it it doesn't determine.
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What is the Monday? Yeah, they shouldn't be doing
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Monday. Parcels on Sunday.
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Exactly. And and that's, you know like I
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said that's our concerns that you know we're not going to get
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credit for them down the line. Yeah, yeah.
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Especially if it's an extra 100 or so parcels for each carrier,
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you know each sub that's in there.
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Running parcels like I said we we we had five Subs out there
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and and the you know the the lowest day was a nine hour day
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everybody you know the other four came in above 9 hours on a
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Sunday and it you know you're not talking Christmas or you
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know great big hop shopping holiday you're you're talking
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about you know a Sunday in the middle of February right.
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Yeah, I I, you know, I I got a guy I posted a response to
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somebody you know who came back to me and saying you know oh
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it's a bunch of crud, this and that and and I explained that
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you know I I got a nine year carrier who hasn't had anybody
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come in and explain Rex in their office.
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The supervisor and the postmaster don't know anything
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about Rex. All they do is hand out the
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Cheat Sheets. And he was questioning
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authorized dismounts and had no clue about authorized dismounts.
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Worked. And I'm sitting there going,
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Well, folks, we're we're in the 11th year of the introduction.
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We're in the third year of implementation of of recording
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bread crumbs in there. And you still don't have any
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idea. Now, ladies and gentlemen, I
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will blame the carrier for that because there is information,
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whether you're a union member or not, that you can make available
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to yourself because this is your paycheck.
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It's not mine. It's not Kristen's or James or
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Josh's. This is your paycheck that you
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have to protect and you're not putting in the effort.
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And like I said in my response, if you can watch your favorite
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TV show, you know once a week, or if you can binge watch a
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series or, you know, play, you know your video games for a
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couple hours. Take 10 minutes a day and invest
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in yourself. Learn to protect yourself.
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An educated carrier is the most dangerous carrier to management
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because then they can't bully you, they can't intimidate you
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and they can't lie to you. So if you want to protect your
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future, it starts with you. We can give you advice your your
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your local Stewart area, Stewart ADRDR.
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They can help protect you for disciplinary issues or
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contractual, you know, grievances.
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But it starts with you, and you're the one that has to step
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up first. And if you, if if you're not
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comfortable with that, e-mail us, text us, call us, whatever,
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We'll help you. But you have to make the first
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effort. Take the first step, because
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it's your paycheck. And that's going to lead right
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into this e-mail I received today.
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I am not naming any names or locations, but I will kind of
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read a little bit of a condensed version here.
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It says hey guys, I've been listening for a while, small 4
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route office. Today we had an enhancement
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training for our locals held by our Dr. and our ADR.
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Two things I wanted to bring up from the meeting.
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One when talking about social media policy they brought up
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podcast. They said how a few people have
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been decertified because of it and I'm assuming they were
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talking about y'all. Yeah, pretty much.
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And then the one went went on to the Dr. went on to threatening
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everyone there if quotes. If you bring up Yuri Steward
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online anywhere and I see it, I will decertify you.
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I need to hear your guys's take. Well, we'll go ahead.
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What's your take on that one, Bill?
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Well, first of all, to me it sounds like a threat.
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It sounds like focused and timidation.
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So you're suppressing my freedom of speech, you know, to corral
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my actions. You're not allowed to say that
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you're a steward, OK. Under the current guidelines,
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I'm not quite sure that they can enforce that but as we have seen
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through through their decertification of us, they have
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no qualms of exercising a a Nazi style rule over this union.
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To me, I, I, I, I might I might go directly after that person or
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to that person. In regards to the comments and
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how it was you know, phrased because of the fact that you
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know to me this is a a like I said, a focused attempt to
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intimidate everybody to stay in line and tow the the company
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policy and it pisses me off, I'm done.
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James, do you have anything to say about that before I continue
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on to the next part? Well, considering that I'm the
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one who has discussed the issues with that social media policy
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multiple times in multiple places, the biggest take away
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here, if you're a steward and you're proud of it, you should
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be able to say I'm proud to be a local steward.
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You should be 1-2 things like that.
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But the social media policy as it stands for the NRLCA is too
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overly broad and this comes from a National Labor Relations Board
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attorney. This is not coming from me.
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This is coming from that attorney and them.
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To turn around and threaten people like that, To silence
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people like that is just wrong, rude and condescending.
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We go back to the social media training that the NRLCA put on
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for the stewards, which makes it interesting that they just had
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the enhancement training with the National board and then the
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Dr. decides to turn around and have another one a couple weeks
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later. Or was it?
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A week later, somewhere around there just tells you exactly
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where their mindset is. It's not about getting you the
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best representation from your stewards, it's about controlling
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the narrative that gets put out everywhere.
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It's pretty simple to tell that just by the fact that they did
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have their post open for comments not too long ago and
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the number of comments on there that were available for people
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to read. Not a single one of them was in
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support of the National Board. Not a single one.
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Now granted, you ask the president and he'll tell you,
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oh, all those people are just non dues paying members.
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They don't matter. But if you want to read them,
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they're available over on Rural Mail Carriers United Facebook
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group. I saved every single one of them
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for you guys to read in posterity.
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All right. On to the second one, our second
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part I should say. The Dr. and ADR also explain
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that we now have to do what is called a grievance activity log
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last day of the month. We have to send the Dr. log of
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all the grievances we file. We've never had to send anyone a
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grievance log before. She threatened us with the
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certification again if we did not send them to her timely.
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When asked why do we have to do these all of a sudden, seemingly
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out of nowhere, the ADR exclaimed.
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The director of Stewart Operations said so, and no other
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real reason was given except to keep track.
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Is this normal? This is my first enhancement
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session I've been to. This is all still new to me.
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Thanks for all you do. I'm trying to meet more people
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in our union and grow my connections so I can learn as
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much as I can. What you guys are doing, not
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only for the craft but for the next generation of union leaders
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is, is what separates you guys from our current national board
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and quite frankly unions in general.
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I put in my ballot for National Convention so if I get elected
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you may you have my support, feel free to e-mail me about
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anything, I'm open, blah blah blah.
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And it just I don't believe. OK, he did name drop ADR and
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Dr., but I did not mention those names.
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So I don't believe the best intentions for the Craft and
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only the politics of the union itself.
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There, I condensed it. Well, I want to say firstly
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thank you and congratulations for getting involved and wanting
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to get involved in regards to the grievance activity log.
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I know years ago when I was a Stewart, we had one in our
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district, but we didn't have to submit it, you know, except for
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we had to turn it in with all of your other union, you know,
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Stewart files. When you resign or you know, but
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yet we didn't have to turn it in on a monthly basis.
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Taylor, James. And.
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James. Well, when I read through my
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Stewart training booklet that I have though, it does say that
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you are to send in a copy of the grievance log for each grievance
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after the grievance is completed.
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It doesn't say that you have to send them in every month.
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It doesn't say you have to send them in, you know, a specific
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date or or anything like that, or you just send them to your
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Dr. when the grievance is completed.
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So I don't know why they're saying every at the end of the
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month, every month, you have to send it in kind of thing.
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But they can change the rules anytime they want, as long as
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it's not something that is codified in the Constitution.
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Bill, anything on that? Yes, I I received a a log and it
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was almost like a a carbonless checkbook type you know booklet
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and you had to record when you started the grievance who the
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grievant was, what type and you know so on and so forth.
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Disciplinary, contractual and RDR required us to go out and
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buy prepaid first class letters from the post office, get a
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receipt, submit them for, you know, you know remittance back
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to us. And we were to send them in
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every time we filed A grievance so that he would have a timeline
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on when the grievance was started.
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You know the the, you know where it was, you know and everything
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else. And it was one of those things
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where I kind of lapsed on it because of the fact that that
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there was nothing to really to make substantiate the need to do
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this while I was in the process of of researching the grievance.
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OK. Once it became an actual, you
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know, grievance and assigned a number and everything, fine,
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then. Then you know we're we're fine
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and dandy. But, you know, in the first
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stages of the process, you know, until I get a number to assign
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to it, there's no need for me to forward this to you.
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And in retrospect, with RDR resigning his position,
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allegedly, I find it kind of contradictory that you're
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demanding the, the, the bulk of the work to be done by the
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stewards who aren't getting time from management to do all this.
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That's prepared. If you look at the paperwork on
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a standard grievance file, how many pages are in there?
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People, 1516 plus pages per grievance interviews, you know,
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releases, you know, the the request for information, the the
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grievance itself. I mean, you know, the, you know,
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I need a Form 50, I need this. All the work for the grievance
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starts with the local steward, and they're the ones not being
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paid unless management's giving them the time.
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And since we still have a shortage of substitute carriers,
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we often wouldn't get the time to do everything required by the
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National Steward System to just file paperwork.
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An average. An average grievance for me was
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at least 30 pages long. All said and done.
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Now, unfortunately, I got the postmaster train to the point
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where I would file agreements and give them a settlement, a
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copy at the same time, and he would sign both and somebody
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would be paid within the, you know, one or two pay periods.
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Then then I got these certified for being on the podcast.
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So you know, to me, if if you're not going to help the local
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stewards just like you know everybody else in the union, OK,
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if you don't help the troops on the ground, you're not going to
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make much progress in keeping management in check.
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You know, in regards to the contract, in regards to, you
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know, the toxic atmosphere, in regards to anything.
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You know if you don't have the guns on the ground, you can't
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win the fight. And that that's a that's a big
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problem for me. And when James is the the
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steward of director of Stewart Operations, we can change that.
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Now I want to kind of bring in touch.
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We did have a private message earlier, right along the lines
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of this e-mail, which I found I got.
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I saw the e-mail after I was reading the the private message
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and I'm just going to read part of it again.
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They had had enhancement training and when the social
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media policy was brought up, they didn't call out the podcast
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by name. But they said along the lines of
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we know there's a podcast out there trying to get stewards to
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talk on there. Don't do that.
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If you talk on a podcast or social media in a steward
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capacity, you'll be immediately de certified.
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Some people have already had. Wasn't their exact words, but it
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was something like that. OK, I don't remember us asking
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for stewards to come on to you. I do not I unless one of them
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had seen the Google form. And then, yes, for those that
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are interested in coming on here, we do ask if you are a
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steward because we don't want you to be decertified if you are
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a steward. We're not just going to bring
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anybody on. You know, if you tell us you're
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a steward, we're going to immediately say, look, you know,
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this is what could happen if you're on here.
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It's basically to avoid that, not trying to bring stewards on.
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So that's clarification. Not trying to say, hey, if
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you're a steward, come on with us.
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No, no. The last thing we want is for
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another steward to get decertified because of us.
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And that's how we. Yeah.
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And that's why we offer the anonymity of, you know, not
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naming yourself and, you know, not presenting yourself, you
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know, in a fashion that would jeopardize your standing with
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the national steward system. And again, the views expressed
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here do not represent the views, opinions or strategies of the
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United States Postal Service or the National Real Air Carriers
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Association. And on top of that, if you
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remember from the steward training that National gave, it
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doesn't matter if you identify yourself as a steward or not.
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If somebody recognizes you as a steward, you could be
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decertified for commenting on social media or being involved
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in a podcast. Also, we also have to remember
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Fed Up does do a lot of interviews with carriers, so
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that's another place where they possibly could be crossing over.
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Now, we're not specifically kind of go against that, honestly.
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You know, if somebody reaches out to us and they let us know
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that they are a steward, then you know, we let them know up
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front, hey, if you're found out, they're going to decertify you.
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I mean, that's your personal choice.
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We're not making anybody come on here or telling them they have
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to, or searching out certain categories of employee, not at
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all. I mean, yeah, the last thing we
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want is for anybody else to lose their capacity, to help defend
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their craft. We we, we.
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That is not a aim, a goal of ours at all.
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We want you on the front lines because there's so few of you.
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So protect yourself. OK, James, what it was.
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I think I got the couple things that I wanted to cover.
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Oh, I do have something else I want to talk about, but I can do
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that after James's. It's not a huge thing.
28:09
Jim, I got a fought off the press from the Iowa State
28:14
President, Kathy Galantine. I'm going to call her out on
28:20
this one because everybody who's in Iowa knows who their state
28:23
president is. Might as well name her here as
28:26
well. Put out an article about
28:29
delegates to National Convention and we wanted to thank her for
28:34
calling out the podcast because everything she said in that
28:39
article was pretty much directed at this podcast.
28:44
So we wanted to thank her for putting our podcast into her
28:48
state paper. And if you want to read my
28:51
breakdown of it, I did put it in a lot of groups, including the
28:56
United We Scan podcast group, the Royal Mail Carriers United
29:00
group. If you want to read my
29:01
breakdown, I broke it down in terms of Fair use articles.
29:09
I was a commenter on the articles so therefore it is
29:12
under fair use and cannot be considered as a copyrighted
29:15
material. But she did a good job of
29:19
calling us out and putting our podcast out there without
29:24
specifically naming it. So I just wanted to thank her
29:27
for doing that and sending us more people from the state of
29:30
Iowa all. Right, so a first announcement
29:37
is we finally have merch. I posted the link it should be
29:43
up on the podcast notes, a link for merch and I know it's also
29:51
posted on the page as well as in the Facebook group that will
29:57
probably be revolving around as we go.
30:02
And so other than that, yeah, we've got merch now and I did
30:09
noted that any of the proceeds for the merch it is we're using
30:12
a drop ship company. So everything's made it to order
30:16
and any of the proceeds will be split between the low amount and
30:21
production costs that we have. And then I do believe before
30:25
when we talked about doing it, if we did have any funds that
30:29
came in, we'd be donating it to the charity that the auxiliary
30:33
picks every year at National Convention.
30:38
I thought we were using it to pay Chris.
30:42
He wishes, but no. Yeah, no.
30:48
The auxiliary charity is the charity that minimal expenses.
30:55
You know, I'm with 30 bucks at most a month, maybe UPS.
30:59
So yeah, we're not keeping that money, guys.
31:02
We don't want it. But I know everybody's been
31:04
asking for merch, so I found a way to get that out there for
31:10
you guys. And for your old heads out
31:13
there, she's speaking about merchandise for United We Scan
31:18
and the endeavors by the hosts here getting to the national
31:23
office. Yes, I do have campaign shirts
31:28
for four people up there as well.
31:32
And then we have T-shirts. I think there's some tank tops
31:35
up there. There's hoodies, coffee, mugs,
31:39
hats. And I know I've had a couple
31:43
people already message and say, hey, how about these slogans?
31:46
So we'll be putting some slogan T-shirts and stuff up there
31:49
soon. So like I said, the links are in
31:52
the show notes and on the Facebook page and group.
31:58
And there are no thongs available through this website.
32:03
Nope, I look. The best I could do was a string
32:05
bikini bottom no thongs. Oh oh, I'm all flutter now.
32:15
I look. Material.
32:18
Just have to go with my one piece.
32:20
There you go. There you go.
32:23
So I have a question that popped up OK that what is the
32:30
consequences for bringing back DPS and magazines to the office
32:34
at night. This comes from an RCA who could
32:39
not complete the route and when they got back with the stuff
32:47
they were told they were being removed and then to come back on
32:53
Wednesday to receive the I. I I think that RCA needs to
32:57
contact their assigned student representation ASAP.
33:04
I agree and this the they continued.
33:08
I was on a route I hadn't been on before and I'm fairly new to
33:12
the area so I'm not that quick. The supervisor kept calling me
33:15
and telling me I needed to get back, so it sounds more like
33:19
double jeopardy to me. Either you bring the stuff back
33:22
or you finish the route and get fired for not following a direct
33:25
order. They can't have it both ways.
33:28
They either want you to come back, be back by a certain time,
33:31
or deliver the mail. You can't do both in my office,
33:35
Definitely. Go ahead.
33:37
Definitely get a hold of your local representative.
33:41
Now in my office, when we have situations like that, and this
33:45
is where I talk about us being a family, whether we like each
33:50
other or not, because we have family members we don't like, my
33:54
whole family doesn't like me. No, OK.
33:57
The the thing of it is. We're not comprised.
34:00
We we explain to the newbies. OK, if you get into a situation
34:06
where time becomes critical of you delivering and if you don't
34:10
know the route especially in the dark, OK, you're going to create
34:14
more and more headaches than you know you can solve by trying to
34:17
to complete the route. Unfortunately management like in
34:21
this case will be calling the carrier, not supposed to be
34:23
calling the carrier unless it's an emergency situation.
34:26
If you come into a a problem in delivering your route in a
34:31
timely fashion or before it's dark and and ladies and
34:35
gentlemen darkness is just as unsafe as snow and ice and
34:40
everything else, OK, you can place the call to management or
34:44
take a call from management. Explain the situation and say in
34:48
our office they'll say just deliver the packages and spurs,
34:52
bring the mail back that it out and we'll take care of it.
34:55
This it seems like this local management's going a little, you
34:58
know, above and beyond in regards to discipline.
35:03
I mean safety is supposed to be the first aspect of your job,
35:06
correct? Yes.
35:09
OK. Whether you do the job, yeah.
35:11
Whether you do the job correctly or not, your safety is paramount
35:16
to you and you should be to the United States Postal Service.
35:21
So if this carrier goes back and says you're being removed, come
35:24
back in tomorrow for an I and IA.
35:27
OK, You contact your local union representative and B, you can't
35:33
have an I and I until your union representative is there.
35:36
So don't worry about being there tomorrow because your union Rep
35:39
won't be there unless you have one in the office and C file a
35:44
grievance for threatening intimidation and harassment.
35:48
File, file, file, and smile. Don't be intimidated by these
35:52
people, even if you're under 90 days.
35:54
I know many, many newbies don't want to do anything when they're
35:59
under that 90 day clock. If you don't stand up, they're
36:04
going to harangue you for the rest of your career at the post
36:07
office. I have a regular carrier my
36:11
office that wanders in a little late every day, you know, and
36:16
because he does getting written up, when they come over and ask
36:19
him for his truck keys to give to a city carrier, he doesn't
36:23
protest and they they just walk over them because of the fact
36:28
that, you know, they may start discipline on him because of
36:31
his, you know, lateness every day.
36:34
Don't let it start because once it starts they never let up.
36:41
But yes, contact your local representation.
36:45
I wouldn't come back in the next day unless they have a local
36:47
steward in the office and then I would file 034 grievances, at
36:54
least against his manager for threatening you.
36:58
You know you're doing your best. You know you're you're making,
37:00
you're putting forth the effort and they're haranguing you for
37:05
the fact that, you know, you didn't deliver all the mail.
37:08
I don't know how many times, city routes and rural routes, my
37:12
office didn't go out because of lack of carriers and all they
37:17
did was deliver the parcels and spurs because that's the only
37:20
thing that shows up on the reports.
37:22
Like we said, you can't have it both ways.
37:24
There's got to be middle ground. Get a hold of your union
37:27
representation. Find the middle ground.
37:30
And I would say if you do go in and they bring you in the office
37:35
for the I, I when you're and a Rep is not there anything they
37:41
ask you, your answer should be where's my Rep.
37:44
Yep. What's your name?
37:46
Where's my Rep? Are you aware of Where is my
37:50
Rep? Did you?
37:51
Did you dot dot dot? I'm waiting on my Rep.
37:56
And then if they say that you were not being cooperative,
38:01
that's something that they that's something else that the
38:03
union can fight because you're entitled to union representation
38:08
during the investigative interview and you were not
38:11
afforded that right? Did did anybody ever notice that
38:15
the the the old terminology of PDI, predetermination,
38:19
investigation or interview? What was basically saying we're
38:25
we're going to find you guilty, we're just going through the
38:27
process of of doing it, yeah, the pre disciplinary.
38:30
Interview. Yeah, yeah.
38:32
Yeah, yeah. We're going to discipline you.
38:34
But we have to do this first. Yeah, I find that still doing.
38:40
Apdi. Yep, Yep.
38:43
Instead of an investigative interview.
38:45
Well, apparent. Apparently it's a
38:47
predetermination interview because they already determined
38:50
they're going to fire them before they even investigated
38:53
anything. Well, technically it should be a
38:57
post determination interview because they already determined
38:59
it. And if you already determined
39:02
it, then that means you didn't get due process.
39:06
Exactly. I I love management.
39:11
I do. Come on.
39:13
I know it's it's not nice to pick on the slow kids.
39:17
But you know management just makes it so easy in our office.
39:20
I I just, I I sit back and and you know, they say something and
39:25
I throw a haymaker, you know, and they look at you like, what?
39:30
Right. Yeah, it's in the contract.
39:34
What the Hell's wrong with you? But you know it.
39:39
Like I said, I almost feel bad. Almost.
39:43
I get it over real quick. I don't feel bad for any
39:47
management that makes. Blatant.
39:50
Mistakes like that, blatant mistake because in order to even
39:55
fire somebody you have to have higher level approval above you
40:00
to do it in the 1st place. You can't just fire somebody and
40:04
walk away from it. Your supervising manager above
40:08
that person has to approve it as well.
40:12
They have to have concurrence with their supervisor.
40:16
So them just saying you're fired and walking you out the door.
40:21
Without that concurrence doesn't work either.
40:24
Nope. And the concurrence has to be
40:26
somebody above them. We we I've had, I've had several
40:31
grievances for removal thrown out for that because the, you
40:35
know, the concurrence was by a supervisor after the postmaster
40:39
made the determination. I'm like OK, I guess you don't
40:43
understand how the process works.
40:47
Or it comes from like the postmaster or district level
40:51
says remove them and then the supervisor's the one that wrote
40:54
it up and it was that person that said to remove them in the
40:57
1st place as signing as a concurrence.
40:59
Yeah. And then during your interview,
41:02
the supervisor says, well, district said I had to, you know
41:08
what I mean? Yeah, and you just say thank you
41:12
because you just lost it. Thank you.
41:14
Thank you. And whom from district was it
41:17
that gave you that order? Right.
41:22
Details, folks. It's all in the details.
41:26
Little minute details can definitely matter at times.
41:30
As minor as they may be. Exactly.
41:34
And that's what good stewards look for.
41:38
Those tiny minute details that can easily win a case easily win
41:45
the case. And that, that's that's what
41:48
really pissed me off when I got this guy's job back for alleged
41:53
sexual harassment and, you know, ended up sending 182 pages to
41:59
the Dr. and you know, highlighting, you know,
42:03
interviews, incidents. I mean, everybody in the office
42:06
was interviewed. Clerks, city carriers, rule
42:09
carriers, custodians. I mean, you know, I had 14 hours
42:14
in interviews at at my office on this case and I send it up to
42:18
the Dr. and he gets the job back 4 1/2 months later, but with no
42:23
back pay. And you know at at the National
42:27
Convention, you know, I was, I was termed, coined as the angry
42:31
man. Well, you know what?
42:34
That has nothing to do with the way I was when I got that
42:37
settlement. I was flipped that this guy had
42:43
4 1/2 months of no pay and they were giving him his job back and
42:47
the Dr. made the settlement because it was easier to close
42:50
it that way. Told me it was easier and I
42:55
flipped. But then again, then again, if
42:59
they had sent it up and it got to step four, it would have sat
43:02
there for six years. Yeah, well, there's still step
43:05
three too, you know. Yeah.
43:08
But you know it at that I explained to Josh earlier when
43:12
it when we talked when I went out for my surgery and I I went
43:16
4 1/2 months, you know, without a a paycheck because my
43:20
supervisor didn't put it through as as a workman's comp case and
43:25
most people can't go 4 1/2 months without money.
43:28
OK, I can afford to, but I you know, most people can't they
43:32
they can't go 2 weeks, you know, without a paycheck because
43:36
that's half a month of your your bills.
43:39
And I'm I'm just like, you know, are you kidding me to make
43:44
somebody to wait 4 1/2 months? Fortunately this guy I went out
43:49
and got another job which he stayed with after he came back
43:52
for one day and then you know, he quit.
43:54
But imagine trying to get by for 4 1/2 months without pay.
43:58
I wouldn't be able to survive you.
43:59
Know I wouldn't survive. I I just, I know I wouldn't.
44:03
You know, I, I, I, I'm just, you know, so disappointed in, you
44:09
know, settling for language you know, or getting a job back with
44:13
no back pay That that's why all my grievances had financial
44:16
penalties on there. You need to get paid when you're
44:21
grieved. You know, when when they violate
44:23
the contract when when they, you know unjustly, you know
44:27
discipline you there should be a financial penalty to each one of
44:31
those actions. You don't sit back and just take
44:34
it and settle for language, because the language that I'll
44:37
give you, you don't want to hear.
44:38
Ladies and gentlemen. Yep, and now I've got another
44:42
one that we have. I have a question about SPMS.
44:46
Does the postmaster have the authority to tell us to not scan
44:50
flats at all and only scan the mail she has marked?
44:54
We do as she says. Isn't that falsifying data?
44:58
Yes. What's the first thing the SPM
45:00
tells you to scan? Flats and letters in that order.
45:03
That's what Rex tells you. Flats and letters in that order.
45:07
But was it you, Josh, that brought up the fact that, you
45:09
know, they wanted you to segregate hold mail from, you
45:12
know, the that day's mail so that the SPMS are correct for
45:17
that day only? Yep, they they don't want stale
45:20
or old or dead or however you want to word it, mail because
45:24
they want it to be tracked. They want to track just what
45:27
came in through automation that day.
45:31
It's funny the other day I said something to the supervisor or
45:35
I'm sorry, the manager because they were going on about SPMS
45:39
again and I said to him what is the likeliness And I had because
45:43
it's W2 return season now you know all the IAS doesn't live
45:48
here, return to senders. So I have 4 pack trays of
45:53
letters going back to the the one company I have which is
45:58
mostly the W twos. And I said to him I'm like what
46:02
is the likeliness? Because the way the SVMS work is
46:05
when it first goes through, first starts getting processed
46:10
whether it be I pick it up out of a blue box or it comes out of
46:15
your mailbox and it first hits automation.
46:18
They spray the barcode on there and they say it should take 2-3
46:23
days, whatever it is from here to wherever it's getting
46:28
delivered to and that's when the SPM gets triggered on your
46:32
scanner on the route. So they're doing once they on
46:37
approximately once a quarter or so.
46:40
When I get an SPM request for this company, what's the
46:45
likeliness? I'm going to scan that one
46:48
letter that the system is looking for when you are only
46:52
scan scan what, 15 pieces? Right.
46:55
And and the thing of it, here's the trick question, OK.
46:59
If you're scanning and they're looking for a particular piece,
47:03
that means they already know what the hell you're supposed to
47:05
be delivering that tag. So tell me in, in all reality,
47:09
what is the point of the SPM to say that you delivered it?
47:13
You know, to say that the tray wasn't dropped and and you know,
47:16
the clerk had to reshuffle the mail that, you know that that
47:19
was actually in there. It wasn't hung up in the
47:21
machine. I mean, you know, I sit there
47:25
and I and I watch these ladies and gentlemen come into our
47:28
office. They sit there with a laptop and
47:30
they and they do a a mail audit on the city carrier side every
47:35
so often. We yeah, we might we might get
47:37
it, you know on the rural side, but not very often mostly city
47:40
carriers. What?
47:41
What are you doing besides, you know, justifying your $80,000 a
47:45
year salary? The oldest testing, which is
47:47
what you were just talking about.
47:48
Where they come in, where it could be anywhere from
47:51
everything in the office to a single route to just letters,
47:55
just flats, just parcels. That has something to do with
48:01
volume versus postage cost. I don't know exactly what it is.
48:06
I'm I'm friendly with the one of the Otis testers in my area
48:11
who's actually their supervisor now.
48:13
But with the SPMS, the reason that we're doing it this way now
48:16
is because they were pay. It cost us 25% of the cost
48:21
'cause they were they were paying an outside company to do
48:25
it. And basically what they would do
48:26
is send mail out to certain customers.
48:32
And for you or me it would look like a utility bill.
48:35
But when the customer gets it and opens it up, it'll have a
48:38
sheet of paper saying please call this toll free number upon
48:42
receipt of the letter. So they could track, you know,
48:46
they knew when they put it in the mail stream and when the
48:49
customer received it. So they're calling in saying
48:52
that they received it so many days later, which is a
48:55
congressional thing that we have to show this, do this testing to
49:01
show how long it takes for the mail to get processed start to
49:05
finish. And they had, you know, they
49:09
have to have a minimum percentage which is like mid to
49:15
high 80%, 80 something percent accuracy.
49:22
And when you're looking for that one particular letter, if I scan
49:27
all 15 pieces and those 15 pieces are not included in it,
49:31
that counts as a failure. But not on me, just on the
49:34
system as a whole. That's the first time I've I've
49:37
heard that explained. But you know I'll I'll counter
49:39
your explanation with the fact that you know when I get the
49:43
SPMS 99% because the stuff I have is third class mail and I'm
49:50
not talking even letters I mean yeah third class junk mail and
49:56
you know there's there's nothing hidden in there for the customer
49:58
open up and respond to. So you know, I, I yeah, I
50:03
understand your reasoning and and justification of, you know,
50:07
Yoda's system and how they, you know, track performance.
50:09
But ladies and gentlemen, you know I hardly ever see anything
50:14
of value in the FPM. Talking about the time before we
50:17
had scanners to be able to scan those barcodes and stuff like
50:20
that for that test. And now we have the scanners.
50:25
They've basically replaced that letter with anything in the
50:29
mail, whether it be a third class piece, second class piece,
50:32
first class piece, any piece of mail they wish to track that has
50:36
a barcode on the bottom of it, they can now.
50:39
Yeah. Right.
50:40
And I I want to say that the third party company that was
50:44
doing it before we were paying them something like $100 million
50:48
a year. So that eliminated most of that
50:51
cost by being able to do it through, you know, the the SPMS
50:55
through the scanner now. Yeah.
50:57
But we still have the people who come in and do the audits and,
51:00
you know, on a regular basis. Well, that's the the Otis
51:04
testing is something completely different.
51:06
Right, but. You know.
51:08
Explain to me justify that. Justify.
51:11
That. Because in our district we have
51:14
23 of them. That's a. $1,000,000 a year.
51:18
Yeah, I don't know what you know, I like I said the the
51:22
closest I can tell you what there is a is a cost analysis,
51:28
some something between you know volume versus postage cost.
51:33
It seems like they spend a lot of money doing reports instead
51:36
of learning the contract or wreck, you know, or or or
51:39
training their people and you know how how to be civil on the
51:43
work floor. This I agree with you on.
51:48
I have to agree with you on that as well, because I've had a
51:51
whole lot of, you know, in the 3 1/2 years of my first office.
51:56
I think I saw Otis there once or twice.
52:00
I can't count how many times I have seen them in my current
52:04
office in the 5 1/2 years I've been there.
52:08
I literally for a little while. I think they were there at least
52:11
once a month, and it's probably been a couple months since I've
52:16
seen them now. But they were literally there
52:19
all the time. My office.
52:22
It was crazy. Well, it's funny when years ago
52:27
when I was talking to the, the one guy I'm friendly with,
52:30
they're on the third floor at the plant, which is a secure
52:35
office. So you need a a badge, a key
52:39
card to get in there. His boss, who's not stationed
52:43
here in the area when she shows up, does not have access.
52:48
So she has to ring the bell and they can see her on the, the
52:52
video camera, you know, the camera outside, the surveillance
52:54
camera outside. So they can put, you know, quit,
52:59
you know, quit her slacking off and put all their junk away and
53:05
make it look like they're working before they let her in.
53:08
That doesn't surrender. Allegedly.
53:11
Allegedly. Allegedly.
53:12
Allegedly, supposedly. Allegedly.
53:17
All right, we got anything else, guys?
53:18
We're going to wrap it up tonight and make it a short
53:20
night. I got one more.
53:23
All right, go for it. This one will.
53:26
This one will get Bill. And this will probably get you
53:28
too, Kristen. I am on the RDWL.
53:32
Always take a deck of five when I work my K day.
53:36
I've worked the last four K days and I was told today that the
53:40
higher ups said I can no longer take deck of five.
53:44
It has to be a three. Anyone else being told this
53:48
blank? We'll leave that swear word out.
53:51
I would, Bill, what do you say all the time?
53:55
File, file, file and smile. The contract says if you're on
53:59
the RDWL, it is your OP, not management's.
54:05
It is your option. Again, here we go again with
54:10
district management coming up with rules that have no
54:15
application to the contract, they just make it up on the off
54:19
the seat of their PAMP. Why are they doing this?
54:22
God knows. I mean you know they want to
54:24
manage the time they maybe they want to sit there and say you're
54:28
you're going to be in 2240 problems maybe you know the the
54:31
hours don't add up they they don't have enough coverage in
54:34
your off. It comes down to somebody in
54:37
district saying no we're not doing this anymore It it's it's
54:41
it's hurting my budget. No, just give them the money
54:44
folks. You know you're not going to win
54:47
it and then you know, on top of that, don't just go for the
54:49
money, go for a penalty too, affecting wages.
54:53
And I don't see the difference on taking the deck of five or
54:56
the deck of three because they're still paying out the
55:00
same yes, it it just lets you choose.
55:03
Do you want that time and a half and a lump sum, or are you going
55:06
to work 1/2, get for 1/2 day's pay that day, and get a paid day
55:11
off within the next 12 weeks? It's still time and 1/2.
55:16
Right. But manage management's so
55:18
concerned with the, you know, the upfront cost that they're
55:21
sitting there and saying you know oh you know that this
55:24
doesn't look good, you still owe the dollar amount it it's coming
55:28
out of your budget folks, you know.
55:34
Now, Bill, with what you were saying of if if they're trying
55:37
to say it's the 2240 issue, they shouldn't be working them
55:41
anyway? Exactly.
55:44
And and and whose fault is that? Because you haven't hired
55:47
sufficient Subs. So then you're going to turn
55:50
around and and file because you know, you may have to, you know,
55:53
put in for a one 120 day letter because you don't have a sub of
55:57
record, or because management, management of scheduling, or
56:01
because your district won't let the Subs work more than eight
56:04
days in a row. Therefore the sub has to get off
56:07
and you have to work. Or maybe you know you're you're
56:10
a new parent and you need the extra money you know, for all
56:14
the baby bills. Or you got a new POV for your
56:18
route. They shouldn't be limiting your
56:20
income. Again, it goes back to affecting
56:23
wages. And the wages are what you've
56:26
earned, what you requested, what you're entitled to.
56:30
Period. And that also falls in the line
56:33
with the comment we got on one of the last week's episode 2240
56:39
issue. Why is the Post office trying to
56:41
collect money from me? Because you can't manage
56:45
correctly, because you create such a hostile work environment.
56:49
You don't have sufficient Subs. You know, because of the fact
56:52
that you want to understand the contract, because of the fact
56:55
that when you came into that situation where you should have
56:58
been granting that your carrier leave, you didn't, which falls
57:02
back on you for mismanagement. Because that one.
57:07
Yeah, most, most supervisors, most offices.
57:10
If you looking up in the upper right hand corner, your hours
57:14
aren't compiled up there, which they're supposed to do at the
57:17
first day first pay period of the guarantee period.
57:21
And most of them don't. And continue doing it on every
57:25
40 to 40. Well, the the the trick is if
57:28
you get it in on the first one, it automatically starts
57:32
calculating it for you, but if you don't get it in on the first
57:35
one, you can't catch up. I think in the system it shows
57:39
them and they could actually just hand write it when they
57:41
print them. Well, you know, I I.
57:44
Then that would that would that would actually mean management
57:47
was doing their job. There you go.
57:50
Actually have to work. Yep, and.
57:53
I would in regards to that what that that comment that you got
57:58
on that the 2240 and having to pay First things first fly on
58:02
that on that letter of demand. Yep.
58:05
I was. Just going to say that what
58:06
ended up happening, what ended up happening is when you when
58:11
you got to a certain point last year, towards the end of the
58:14
year, the system triggered that you were over and it probably
58:19
stopped paying you for working overtime and then they audit.
58:24
They didn't audit on all your hours and converted you
58:26
completely to hourly and determined where you were, what
58:34
your actual hours were versus what they actually paid you for
58:37
and determine that you work less hours than you were paid for.
58:41
Yeah, so I know there's been a quite a few I've seen on the
58:44
social webs of people getting letter to demand due to 2240
58:48
issues. If that happens, reach out to
58:51
your assigned union Rep ASAP and file agreements on it unless
58:55
you. Don't want to and then.
58:57
You want to pay. But if you don't want to pay it,
59:00
definitely file and get a hold of your assigned union Rep All
59:05
right, guys, Anything else? I got for this week.
59:08
Josh, you got anything? No, but I like tomorrow's
59:11
numbers. Bailey, you got anything else
59:15
for this evening? No, I'll put it in the end
59:18
closing. All right, which we'll move to.
59:21
Josh, you're up. You're closing commentary for
59:24
this evening. This week was a good week.
59:27
Hopefully this coming week will be a good week.
59:30
Well, I'll find out Tuesday 'cause I'm off tomorrow for an
59:33
appointment along with both the other regulars in my zone.
59:38
So one of the two of them, if not both, usually carry my route
59:43
when I'm off. But if one one of the other two
59:47
is not going to be there and then the third one is coming in
59:50
late, so I doubt she's helping. So I have my 8127 ready to fill
59:55
out Tuesday morning. Have a good week everyone.
59:59
Don't get overwhelmed. If you do take a step back, take
1:00:02
a deep breath. And step back in.
1:00:06
We'll see you next time. James.
1:00:08
You know, the biggest thing for me is I'm going to see a few of
1:00:12
you guys at Swack with Bill and it's going to be an easy week
1:00:16
for me because I'm only working Monday and Tuesday because I
1:00:19
have to leave on Wednesday in order to make Swack and time.
1:00:22
Other than that, remember, just keep your head down, do your job
1:00:29
and learn as much as you can. Because at the end of the day,
1:00:33
no matter what, we're all in this together.
1:00:36
Oh, I just wanted to add. Go ahead, Josh.
1:00:38
Thank you, everyone. Thank you everyone for joining
1:00:41
us, choosing us over the Sports Ball.
1:00:47
Bill, go ahead. Well in in light of the Iowa
1:00:51
President Kathy giving us you know basically free advertising,
1:00:58
I I also want to point out the fact when you read the article,
1:01:02
she's basically bemoaning the fact that we're telling you how
1:01:06
to vote while she is telling you how to vote.
1:01:09
So don't fall for the double S I'm not here for myself.
1:01:13
Trust me folks. I, I, I, I can walk out the door
1:01:16
tomorrow and and be satisfied with my career and everything.
1:01:21
But I wouldn't be satisfied leaving everybody hanging the
1:01:24
way we are in, in our current situation under the current
1:01:28
national board. Like I explained to you earlier,
1:01:31
I was that on our tape in regards to the baby throwing up
1:01:35
on me. Yeah, OK, I'll tell you what,
1:01:39
you know, that's the joy of my life is my, my grandchildren
1:01:43
right now. And and right behind it is, you
1:01:48
know, you, the carriers, the craft, you know the position
1:01:54
that I've held for 26 years, that once I get in that truck
1:01:58
and I go out on my route and see my customers, the kids, the
1:02:01
dogs, that's the best part of my day.
1:02:04
It really is. And and I've enjoyed it.
1:02:09
The the problem of it is getting to the point where you don't
1:02:13
enjoy walking in the office first thing in the morning.
1:02:16
You know you don't enjoy the intimidation of You can't do
1:02:20
this. You can't do that.
1:02:21
You must do this. You must do that.
1:02:24
And you damn well know there's something wrong If the hairs in
1:02:26
the back of your neck go up and you're you're sitting there
1:02:29
going, this doesn't sound right. It's probably because it isn't
1:02:32
right. Our president, in one of his
1:02:35
First National statements, wanted to blame the carriers for
1:02:41
not learning the rec system. Ladies and gentlemen, it was
1:02:46
management's responsibility to train the carriers.
1:02:51
Look it up. We took it upon ourselves to
1:02:53
train ourselves as best possible.
1:02:56
You know, in some offices they still have no training.
1:02:59
They have managers and postmasters who have no idea
1:03:03
what's involved in the Rex program.
1:03:05
Again, step up, spend 10 minutes out of your day, Learn a little
1:03:10
about Rex, learn a little about the contract, 6O3D, ELMDE,
1:03:14
LO9O2, whatever. Just make some effort into
1:03:19
protecting your paycheck and protecting your career, and in
1:03:24
some instances protecting other carriers in your office, because
1:03:28
they may not be of the fortitude that you have in regards to
1:03:33
having a career that is worthwhile, that you can enjoy.
1:03:37
Go in, do the job with pride, and be paid for your efforts,
1:03:42
especially the ones who don't get paid once in a while, every
1:03:45
two weeks. And you know, oh, it's a glitch.
1:03:49
No, that's not a glitch. That's FU.
1:03:53
I'm tired of it. I really am.
1:03:55
That's why we're running for the national board.
1:03:58
We want to change things. We want to make it better.
1:04:01
Can we? Well, in my estimation, we will,
1:04:05
because we really do care about the craft.
1:04:09
So help us, help you become a delegate.
1:04:13
Vote us in. And this is a, you know, selfish
1:04:17
endorsement because of the fact that we believe we can do a
1:04:20
better job in representing the craft.
1:04:22
Because we are the craft. We're the ones out there working
1:04:26
just like you. And we're not career politicians
1:04:30
who have been carried a route in 20 years.
1:04:33
God bless you all, Be safe out there, do the best job you can
1:04:37
and make sure you get home because you know you are the
1:04:40
most important delivery of the day and your loved ones want to
1:04:44
see you every day. At the end of the day, I'm out.
1:04:49
Thank you, gentlemen. And are you guys going to be
1:04:52
back on next Sunday night in order to record or are we going
1:04:55
to take a weekend off next weekend?
1:04:58
Well, I think we can, James. I I think it's possible all.
1:05:02
Right. So as of right now, we will be
1:05:05
back next week and if something changes we'll we'll post it and
1:05:10
let you all know, yeah, everybody stay safe out there.
1:05:14
I've got more training to do this week and next week and
1:05:19
possibly the week after. So when I actually read my route
1:05:22
on my own, I don't know yet, A little bit of a break.
1:05:26
It's been a while since I've had a training marathon, so it'll be
1:05:30
good and but other than that, everybody take care.
1:05:35
Have a safe week. Get home to your loved ones.
1:05:39
We'll talk a chicken. Bless you.
1:05:54
Thank you. I have an allergy to bullshit.
1:05:58
I understand. I think I have that same
1:06:00
allergy. Oh God.
1:06:02
I'm glad I took my allergy meds today.