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Ep. 1203: Healing for Adventure with Jani Wedmore Pulaski · Adventure Sports Podcast

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[SPEAKER_03]: your listening to the Adventure Sports podcast.
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[SPEAKER_03]: We talk with adventures from around the globe to give you the inspiration you need to get started in the outdoors or keep moving if you're already there.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Now here's your host, Kurt Lindville.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Hi friends, welcome to the Adventure Sports podcast today.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Hey, this is going to be a fantastic episode that I think is going to help so many people.
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[SPEAKER_00]: From time to time, I like to do a health-oriented episode so that maybe you can learn something that it will help you to be fit enough, able-bodied enough, strong enough, happy enough.
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[SPEAKER_00]: To be able to live that adventure-focused lifestyle that is so rewarding, so today is one of those episodes.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Our guest is Jenny Wedmore Plasky, and let me give you the backstory.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Janie has lived an adventurous life.
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[SPEAKER_00]: She grew up in the Gunnison Valley.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And, you know, the Gunnison Valley I've said before, but if you don't know, it's really unique and that there are just so many outdoor adventure athletes here.
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[SPEAKER_00]: There are many Olympians who you don't know that they've been to the Olympics or that they're headed to the Olympics until you sit down, you know, and have dinner with them and then you find out or what the part that's funny for me though is there are so many athletes in the valley who could be
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[SPEAKER_00]: and they keep up with all the Olympians, so the valley is full of strong, adventurous people who love to do things in the out of doors, and it can be water sports, it can be mountain biking, it can be skiing sports, winter sports, endurance sports of all types.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, Jenny grew up in that climate, and she was a very adventurous lady and continues to be some of the sports that she enjoyed
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[SPEAKER_00]: sailing on Blue Mesa back country skiing, rowing, and more recently she's been doing quite a bit of ice skating, meaning skating on the frozen reservoir.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's just kind of amazing to think about how far you can go.
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[SPEAKER_00]: on that kind of ice.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But we'll get into some of that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But what we're really here for today is to talk about what Jenny has done to help all of these athletes over the years to be able to enjoy their sport and continue to do their sport, to recover from injury and to take their health into their own hands and be successful with that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So, Jenny, I know that was a long
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[SPEAKER_04]: Thank you so much Kurt for having me.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Jenny, you have a very unique perspective, I think, because you have interacted with so many really adventurous and athletic people over the years and done so much to encourage them and help them along the way.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You do coaching is in life coaching.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But you also learned how to do rolfing, and you've had a business doing rolfing for years.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And that's one of the ways that you physically help the athletes.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But now you've created a program where people can kind of do self-rolfing and you teach them how to do it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And it's an amazing program called Back and Action Method, which I'm sure we're going to talk about.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It helped me.
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[SPEAKER_00]: more than anything I've ever done.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And it really changed my life.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And so I'm an absolute fan.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But before we dive into that, we'll get back to it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You just mentioned to me before I hit record that a lot of what shaped your life as a healer.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And that's what I'm going to call you, because you are your a healer was actually a reaction to a vaccine when you were two years old.
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[SPEAKER_04]: think of all the reasons that I became interested in helping people and healing and that it actually started when I was two.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I was injured by a metvaccine and was crippled for eight months.
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[SPEAKER_04]: So I was old enough to learn how to walk and then I lost the ability to walk for eight months and then through time and in those days they didn't treat me in any other way but by packing my body and ice.
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[SPEAKER_04]: to reduce the swelling from going to my brain.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And I learned how to walk again.
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[SPEAKER_04]: But unfortunately, that whole experience caused a pretty severe scoliosis.
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[SPEAKER_04]: So even though this was before they were testing in sixth seventh eighth grade, I was an athlete.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I was a skier and I was pretty agile in the trampoline and I sailed and water skied and also I was able to do
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[SPEAKER_04]: a question and jumper.
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[SPEAKER_04]: So, one of the things that always happened was I would lose my right stir up.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And my trainer would notice, my parents would notice, but, you know, nobody put it together that I had leg length discrepancy.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, wow.
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[SPEAKER_04]: So, as a child, I didn't have that much pain.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And then I actually became a ski racer in college and did pretty well.
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[SPEAKER_04]: But again,
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[SPEAKER_04]: showed up in gates and I was just not balanced.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And after college I moved to Christopheode and I was a ski instructor and I also became a kitchen designer.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And unfortunately I was lifting some very very heavy granite tiles to a job and I injured myself, which threw my sacrum out, which I didn't know.
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[SPEAKER_04]: But all the scoliosis patterning had set me up for that injury.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And then I had chronic sciatica for four years.
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[SPEAKER_04]: It was actually wronging that saved my life.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And so I went to Boulder to get Ralph to buy a very good friend of mine.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And by session two, I started to notice which the session two is your feet that there was a possibility that I wasn't going to live the rest of my life in pain.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And so, wronging, I quit kitchen design
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[SPEAKER_04]: and I became a sort of, I've rolled for in 1997.
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[SPEAKER_04]: So that led me into my passion, a life, life work of working with people, helping people and taking them through the Rolfing 10 series, which is really unique, and it's so interesting now because my old fashion release or the idea or the word fashion is seem so hip, you know,
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[SPEAKER_04]: everybody knows about fashion now, but for years, they didn't.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So they're going to be listeners out there who either don't know what wrong thing is, or they think they know, but they're not quite sure what it really is.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Can you explain how wronging is different than massage and what's actually going on there?
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[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, I think there's two main components of wronging that
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[SPEAKER_04]: that we're working with the mouth-fashile system, which is contiguous through the whole body.
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[SPEAKER_04]: So it's like the same facial network wraps around the toes and the calves and the knees and the hips and the abdomen and all the way to the head.
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[SPEAKER_04]: So what I'd have all figured out in through structural integration is that you can't just release one part of the body through a mouth-fashile release,
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[SPEAKER_04]: basically done with our hands with pressure and heat.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And I always refer to it as like whack em all.
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[SPEAKER_04]: It's like you start working on someone's pain area.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Maybe it's like for me, it was my right piriformis in my butt cheek and which was causing my sciatic pain and then it would go to my left side or it would go to my left shoulder or because I have a collarbone injury on my left side.
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[SPEAKER_04]: What's so unique about Rolfing is it's a design system that works to realign the body and gravity from the foundation, our feet, all the way to the top of our head.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And it takes 10 sessions because we're working on an each part of the body once a week, or one part of the body, once a week.
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[SPEAKER_04]: So in that week time, we have the opportunity to integrate the
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[SPEAKER_04]: new part of the body that has been released.
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[SPEAKER_04]: So most modalities don't have the privilege of asking people to commit to 10 sessions and let the process of time heal the body.
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[SPEAKER_04]: So we don't diagnose and treat in-rall thing.
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[SPEAKER_04]: We re-align the body and gravity and the body will heal itself.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Hmm.
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[SPEAKER_00]: that's fascinating.
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[SPEAKER_00]: People ask me about it from time to time, Jenny.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And this is not a good explanation, but it might help some people to kind of get a feel for it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: In Chiropractic, they're working to align the spine or joints.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They're working with the bones.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I've had a lot of car practical over the years.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm not going to say good or bad against it or for it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, I just, I'm just going to say that it can be helpful.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But I describe it this way in contrast to that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: What rulping does if you look at a like a radio tower that has the guidelines, the guy cables coming down off of it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You have a tall skinny tower that's stacked and it can hold a lot of weight as long as it's aligned.
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[SPEAKER_00]: and the guy wires are what hold an in alignment, but if you were to go to one of those towers an over-tension a single wire or cut a single cable the tower will collapse it'll fall and the reason is because it is the guy wires that are holding the whole thing in alignment so
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[SPEAKER_00]: When I think about my body's structure now, I don't just think about the skeleton.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think about the guy wires, which are all the muscles that are pulling on the ligaments and the tendons that hold the whole structure in alignment, so then I can be strong.
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[SPEAKER_00]: When I started working with you for my own back challenges, I think that was the revelation.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It hit me that I had always tried to work directly on the tower and the guy wires weren't right.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And so you helped me to get the tensioning in my body, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I mean, it's a, it's a miracle story, which I'm not going to tell right now, but maybe later we can get into some of that, but that's what I want people to think about.
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[SPEAKER_00]: There's another side to it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, you said myel fascia and myel means muscle and fascia means what's on the surface, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: So we're talking about kind of those shiny bags that hold the muscles together.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Yes.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But what people probably don't realize that you taught me is how the Myelfasia communicates and actually can store memory.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Will you explain that a little bit?
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[SPEAKER_04]: Well, that's still difficult to comprehend or understand, but basically the fascia, it changes properties when we have injury.
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[SPEAKER_04]: So when we have blunt trauma or a fall,
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[SPEAKER_04]: and or twist an ankle or land on our hip, the connected tissue forms adhesions.
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[SPEAKER_04]: So that's what starts to bring us out of alignment or in my case crooked or favoring or adapting to one side.
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[SPEAKER_04]: So that those guy right wires are a perfect example of how that tower is no longer straight up and down.
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[SPEAKER_04]: It's now slightly crooked.
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[SPEAKER_04]: when we get injured, then the fashion tries to help you and help you recover with creating a lack of mobility.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And that's necessary for healing.
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[SPEAKER_04]: But the scar tissue and the adhesion is what causes long-term chronic pain.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Hmm.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, you also explained to me that muscles will recruit other muscles to take up the slack when there's an injury.
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[SPEAKER_00]: and that our body memorizes that movement and then even after the injury is healed, our muscles can still be not working correctly because they're still trying to take up the slack for an injury this no longer there.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Right.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So that was fascinating to me to find out that an injury that I may have had 20 years ago was still impacting my alignment.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Right.
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[SPEAKER_04]: In back to the question about memory,
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[SPEAKER_04]: is I'd a Ralph started to notice that when she was working on people they would have this recollection of a place in time or a memory that happened to them, you know, when they were 10 or when they were 18 or like for me when I was two years old.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And so that is the profound
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[SPEAKER_04]: And, you know, now I think it's more accepted.
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[SPEAKER_04]: What happened to her is fortunately she ended up in California, excellent institute and got to work with Fritz Perls in the humanistic psychology and the human potential movement.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And what he was finding is that people who got raw have had better recovery in psychotherapy.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Wow.
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[SPEAKER_04]: By doing the physical body work, they were ridding the body of those memories and patterns.
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[SPEAKER_00]: There have been several books out in recent, I'm going to say the last 10, 15 years that kind of start to address this and I think people are beginning to be more open to it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But reduction of science always tried to take things apart and say this system does this and that system does that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And they didn't realize that the two systems were working together.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know that they were sharing the load.
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[SPEAKER_00]: and some of the ideas or will like the body keeps the score.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Right.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's one we've we've probably heard about.
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[SPEAKER_00]: There's another backpain book.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I should have looked up the the author before I start to talk about it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But the the gist of it was that
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[SPEAKER_00]: unprocessed intense emotion gets placed in the body and can cause pain because of what you just think about if you're stressed out and you have muscle tension then I'll I'll already you can say well I'm out of alignment you know I I'm pulling the wrong way but it can be a motion that triggers that
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[SPEAKER_02]: Right.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And stuffing intense emotion, which some people think of is just a way to cope or a way to be a man or I don't want to deal with this right now.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So you ignore it or you even pretend it didn't happen, which is called repression.
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[SPEAKER_00]: All of these things actually that that intense emotion can place in balance and pain in the body.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And so I, to Ralph, was discovering that when she was working on the body, she was finding those centers of stored emotion.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yep.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Will you talk to us about this kind of whole body connection?
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[SPEAKER_00]: How it's all tied together?
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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, it's mind blowing to me to think about how integrated all these systems can be.
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[UNKNOWN]: Ha ha ha ha.
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[SPEAKER_04]: It is, and it is what I loved about working with people one-on-one and through the 10 session series kind of commitment.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I guess what I would ask people to do is take a break from what you're doing on a daily basis, especially for athletes, and just let's explore what's happened to you, what you're going through now, and so what would usually be uncovered
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[SPEAKER_04]: But then, what ends up happening, and I hope it's okay to say, but a lot of athletes do receive a high and then do often high or a good feeling from being an athlete and going out and exercising and pushing themselves.
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[SPEAKER_04]: But when they're injured, all of that just comes crashing down.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I mean, all the ways that they get satisfied or happy are taken away from them.
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[SPEAKER_04]: So the uncovering, you know, the physical body brings them in, but then the emotional body shows itself and then the mental body starts working and then we get to address all of those that we are going to rebuild you.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Even in my nutrition program, I basically don't say, take this away, take these, you know, bad for you, ingredients or products away from you.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I said, let's add in.
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[SPEAKER_04]: So through the wronging program and my band program,
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[SPEAKER_04]: I teach people like new ways of being and then the old parts just go away.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I love it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Before we go, we need further.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think now's a good time for me to give my brief testimony of how you changed my life and the reason is because it will tie adventurous athletic lifestyle into what you're offering, I think.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I grew up in a verbally violent home stuffed a lot of emotion over the years and I ended up with back problems at a very young age.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I remember suffering
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[SPEAKER_00]: And there are other parts of my body that had various injuries.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I think that's going to be something that's common for a lot of people.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They're going to say, yeah, I remember this used to hurt and then that hurt.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And then I tried this and I tried that the lie had a life history of that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: By the time I was in college, I was wearing back braces, going to chiropractors, doing everything I could to try to reduce the pain.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I could just get through and.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It was extraordinarily difficult to sit through a fifty-minute class because the pain was so intense, you know, just to kind of lay the groundwork.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I was always very, very adventurous, and at a young age I thought it was great to see how high of services I could jump off of, jumping out of barns, jumping out of trees.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I just wanted to see, you know, how high I could drop and not get hurt.
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[SPEAKER_00]: very bad idea.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Right.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I used to think I want to see how tough I am.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I would try to run and when my body started to hurt, I would say, okay, I wonder how much I can muscle through until I ended up with stress fractures, things like that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: There was just this long list of injuries and it all culminated finally.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I guess I was about 40 when I ruptured a disk in my back.
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[SPEAKER_00]: and the jelly that's inside of the disc traveled down my spinal column and lodged against a nerve and it made me about 80 or 90 percent paralyzed in one leg.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And having been an adventurous guy and then not being able to use my leg, I kind of questioned if life as I knew it was over.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I didn't meet you, Jenny, at that point.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I wish I had, is I would have a different story to tell.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But when I looked into the surgical remedies, the surgeon was going to do a procedure that would have left me compromise for the rest of my life.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And so I just told the surgeon, I can't do it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And this is the kind of the funny part.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He said, OK, if you're not going to do this surgery, you might lose your ability to use your leg.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And he says, you've got to promise me that you're going to do everything you can to try to keep using it,
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[SPEAKER_00]: And on the way home, I couldn't drive, and because it was my right leg, on the way home, my wife stopped a mile from the house where our road had 20% grades and kicked me out of the car.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Said, walk home, and that was my life for the next year.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I did do my best to try to keep using my leg and it came back and I remember the day that I was skiing a double black with my sons and my daughter and realizing that I could ski again that my leg was no longer paralyzed, that my body had healed at least in part and I had tears running down my face because I felt like my life came back.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But fast forward a few more years, I ended up with some serious incapacitating back pain again.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I could barely drive a car, I could barely stand up or sit down.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I just thought, man, I don't know what to do.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I also, at one point, got trapped in the wilderness, seven miles from the trailhead with a back problem.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I almost had to be helicoptered up.
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[SPEAKER_00]: and that's a whole other story.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But all of that said, I began to say, maybe I can't do adventure anymore.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I can't trust my body.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And that's when I met you.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And this is where I want people to understand what happened.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Jenny taught me how to essentially do self-rulping.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And she also worked with me
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[SPEAKER_00]: and how to regain alignment and regain the opportunity, but not only that, the self-reliance, the belief that I could do things again.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I was in such severe pain, but within two weeks, I was pain-free.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And then I continued Jenny's program, and I was able to get back into my adventurous
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[SPEAKER_00]: And for instance, now if I go back packing, I don't even think about the idea that I could get stuck miles and miles from the trailhead and have to be helicoptered out.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't have to worry about that because I have a tennis ball in my pack.
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[SPEAKER_00]: and I have a lot of knowledge in my head.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So the reason I told all that story that brief little testimony is I know there are other people out there.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Matter of fact, I met one just about three weeks ago.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I met a man that I interviewed, he said, yeah, I don't know if I can do this anymore.
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[SPEAKER_00]: My back's really been causing me problems.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And he said, I don't trust that I can cross country ski or backcountry ski, or, you know, if I get out there and lock up, then I don't know what I would do.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So there are lots of people who start having those sorts of self-doubt thoughts, and it's not necessary, because Janie's program will teach you how to take care of your body in a way that you can have immediate relief on the trail.
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[SPEAKER_00]: and in a way that you can not have to worry about getting back to the trailhead.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So this is about people who love adventure, but don't know if they can trust their bodies.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Right.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And Janie, you gave me my life back.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I just want the listeners to know that this program is so amazing.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And so empowering.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think that's the word empowering, self empowering.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Anyway, the name of the program is back in action method and I want to mention where people can get more information.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Jenny's website is realchangeinstitute.org.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And you can see the back-and-action method information there, along with other types of coaching services that she offers.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But the back-and-action method can get you back in the game again.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And it not just can, I think it just does.
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[SPEAKER_00]: If you're willing to commit to it, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: So let's talk a little bit about what this method is like, Jenny, and what commitment is required for it to succeed.
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[SPEAKER_04]: OK, so the reason I or the timing of the back in action method came during COVID and that was a time when so many unknowns were out there and especially hands on bodywork.
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[SPEAKER_04]: So I chose to pursue a learn how to create an online program.
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[SPEAKER_04]: So I hired a coach that helped me identify my ideal client.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And so I knew right away the type of person that was very helped by what I knew and what the process of wronging.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And so right away I chose athletes as my ideal client or my audience.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And that is because people like athletes know how to train their discipline,
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[SPEAKER_04]: and they also usually have very high body awareness.
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[SPEAKER_04]: So it's very important that people have those three components.
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[SPEAKER_04]: You know, because this will not work if you decide to just try a few days and then say this isn't working.
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[SPEAKER_04]: You know, it's a long-term program.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Well, it's seven weeks.
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[SPEAKER_04]: So I chose to work with people who already knew what it was like to have a great
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[SPEAKER_04]: body, you know, a body that worked for them.
25:30
[SPEAKER_04]: And then I knew that there were people that would essentially, or maybe eventually have some misapp, they'd either fall, their back would go out, they were traveling, they turned funny.
25:43
[SPEAKER_04]: You know, a lot of back injuries happened with a very minor motion.
25:47
[SPEAKER_04]: You know, I've had contractors who just bent over to pick up a pencil, then their back would go out.
25:52
[SPEAKER_04]: I decided to do back in action for specifically for athletes,
25:57
[SPEAKER_04]: It was geared towards people who had a very successful body and profession and knew what it was like to feel great.
26:05
[SPEAKER_04]: And then I designed it to use a tennis ball purposefully so that just like you, you could put a tennis ball on your backpack or in your travel bag and have it anywhere in the world.
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[SPEAKER_04]: So no matter where you were in the world, you could find a tennis ball.
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[SPEAKER_04]: You know, you could go to an athletic store in Germany, or in South America, or anywhere and find a tennis ball.
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[SPEAKER_04]: But the program, one aspect that I do teach, is anatomy.
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[SPEAKER_04]: So you're going to learn a lot through the program, and I think you would agree with that.
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[SPEAKER_04]: That you learned.
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[SPEAKER_04]: You learned that the intricacies, the inner core muscles, you know, what's separate from the outer muscles and the inner core, and how to address them, and how to notice.
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[SPEAKER_04]: and what is surprising to most people is when we've worked through the whole body that there are areas, like, you know, if someone has, like me was sciatic pain in the right side, I had pain in my left foot, you know, which needed to be released.
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[SPEAKER_04]: So you learn through the program, we learn how to work the whole body.
27:12
[SPEAKER_04]: And then after the program, you'll just do spot work.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And just, I'm sure you have a little program
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[SPEAKER_00]: Most days, I try to do it every day.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But if I don't do it, then I'll get a reminder.
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[SPEAKER_00]: My body will say, what's going on here, and then it's like, okay, I'm doing it.
27:34
[SPEAKER_04]: Yep.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And what also is unique in my program is that it is a coaching program.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And I can tell if someone is improving by watching them walk.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And so this isn't just a program you buy
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[SPEAKER_04]: You know, so I am holding your hand the whole time that a client is working with me and we meet once a week through Zoom, I have you send me a walking video so that I can see before our session, you know, how session one is being integrated, how session two, how session three.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And so if any time in the program, you are not presenting what I'm expecting to see, then we slow the whole thing down and we don't move on.
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[SPEAKER_04]: So we can't move on, and we can't move up from the foundation until everything below is starting to show balance.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Hmm.
28:31
[SPEAKER_00]: I want to tell one other little anecdote that I haven't shared yet when I was climbing Kilimanjaro in January we got to the day that we had to climb the Baranko wall and it's about a 700 vertical foot bluff and you're going zigzagging up trails with large steps and a little bit of class three scrambling in that sort of thing.
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[SPEAKER_00]: For a fit body, it's not a big deal, really.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's seen it can beautiful.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But that morning, I was standing in the vestibule of my tent bent over, and I grabbed my duffle bag that weighed 30 pounds, and I swung it from one side across the other to try to get it out of the tent.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And so I twisted my body with a load in a way that I knew better and never should have done that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But anyway, my back locked up, the muscle spasms all hit, and I thought, oh boy, here I am trying to climb Kilimanjaro, and I'm going to be in trouble.
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[SPEAKER_00]: but I didn't have to freak out.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And the reason is because Janie had taught me what to do.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Regretfully, the group was leaving, and I didn't have time to address it right there on the spot.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I had to start hiking with, I mean, I was hobbled.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I could just barely get my feet to work and going up this baronca wall was almost impossible.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I guess one could say that's where I was and most people that have suffered from this sort of an inexperienced know that they have a weak to 10 days or more to recover to get to the point where they have their mobility back.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The first chance I got, which wasn't until we got to the next camp, I pulled out the tennis ball and I did the work.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I was 100% fine from that moment through the rest of the trip and it allowed me to summit Kilimanjaro.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So most people would say, no, no, no, no, that kind of a back quote unquote injury, right?
30:26
[SPEAKER_00]: You're going to be shut down for 10 days or more.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And if you go to a medical doctor, you're going to get muscle relaxants and pain killers.
30:34
[SPEAKER_00]: And you're going to have 10 days or more of laying around wishing you could move.
30:39
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
30:39
[SPEAKER_00]: But I mean, I had a rough day because I couldn't do the protocol.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But then when I did the protocol, I was completely fine.
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[SPEAKER_04]: That's amazing.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I finished Kilimanjaro.
30:52
[SPEAKER_00]: So that's why I don't have to worry about backpacking anymore, right?
30:58
[SPEAKER_00]: Because I have the tennis ball and I have what Janie taught me.
31:01
[SPEAKER_00]: Like I said, Janie, you changed my life.
31:05
[SPEAKER_00]: So that is how this program works.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It is that effective if you're willing to commit to it.
31:11
[SPEAKER_00]: But why does it take so much commitment?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Why do people sometimes not do it?
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[SPEAKER_04]: Well, I think our lives are busy.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Other things are, have more priority.
31:20
[SPEAKER_04]: Unfortunately, I inherited, even at 1997, when Rolfing had kind, the Rolf Institute had kind of changed the pain reputation.
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[SPEAKER_04]: People think this is going to hurt.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And it's just crazy that we avoid pain.
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[SPEAKER_04]: We don't want to put ourselves through that,
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[SPEAKER_04]: kind of surprising, you know, as popular as, you know, cold plunges and extreme things have come out now.
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[SPEAKER_04]: But so, I think pain, avoiding or fearing the pain, the seven-week commitment, maybe, and also possibly vulnerability.
32:03
[SPEAKER_04]: People, I either don't want to do the talking.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I'm not,
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[SPEAKER_04]: And he went through a band with me and he just said right away, you know, I'm not interested in the talking part, you know, we just let's just do the physical and that's very, very common and that's fine, you know, we'll, I'll just watch you walk, I'll just tell you what I see, I'll present the program or you get into the portal when you sign up and do it at your own pace, I'll meet with you once a week and we don't have to go down the psychology route at all.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think that people might have an emotional experience even if you don't go down the route and the reason is because the way we stuff emotion into our bodies and I I'll just share this there there are a couple of defense mechanisms repression and suppression that are very much related repression is when you're stuffing essentially a stuffing negative emotion without realizing it you're repressing memories even suppression is when you do it on purpose you know
33:13
[SPEAKER_00]: And a good example of suppression is how strong can I be at a funeral?
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, when I feel emotionally attacked by someone I care about, can I keep a stiff upper lip and a straight back and not show my frustration?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, that's all suppression.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And sometimes it's healthy, you know, we need to be able to manage our emotions because it's not always timely to let it all out, so to speak.
33:41
[SPEAKER_00]: But what I found when I did your program, Jenny, is that my long-term habit of suppression
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[SPEAKER_00]: had put that tension in my body.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And as the tension was released, the emotion came back out to.
33:53
[SPEAKER_00]: And it doesn't have to be, you know, a psychotherapy, cry session or anything like that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But your body's going to do what your body's going to do.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And it's healing, it's healing.
34:05
[SPEAKER_00]: And you can do this stuff in your bedroom by yourself.
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[SPEAKER_00]: There's no reason to be embarrassed by it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Just let it happen, right?
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[SPEAKER_04]: Right.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And I would like to make a pretty strong point about where I am in my life right now, and that is just that we age, and that we, and so this doesn't necessarily have to be a program that repairs you.
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[SPEAKER_04]: You know, I would love it to be a prevention program.
34:34
[SPEAKER_04]: I pretty much learned through yoga, that there are three components of every asana, and that's balance, strength, and flexibility.
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[SPEAKER_04]: So, you know, it's like we can, we can look at our moms, we can look at our grandmothers, we can imagine what it's like to be 60.
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[SPEAKER_04]: But until we're there, we don't really know.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And what happens is we lose a lot of faculties as we age.
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[SPEAKER_04]: If we don't continue to move our bodies.
35:02
[SPEAKER_04]: So what I'm into now is longevity, you know, not only in physical body work, but also nutrition,
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[SPEAKER_04]: and sleep, and all the good things that we should be doing.
35:14
[SPEAKER_04]: And I've spent my whole life, well, my whole adult life, learning and working on myself and being a teacher, being an educator, taking people through their own challenges, even if they're not physically hurting.
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[SPEAKER_04]: We need to work on balance.
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[SPEAKER_04]: We have to work on balance as we age.
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[SPEAKER_04]: We need to work on agility.
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[SPEAKER_04]: We need to work on strength.
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[SPEAKER_04]: we need to work on flexibility.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And that allows us to do anything.
35:45
[SPEAKER_04]: You know, even flying is a workout.
35:48
[SPEAKER_04]: You know, if a lot of my friends are flying internationally and what happens when we fly internationally?
35:56
[SPEAKER_00]: Ugh.
35:57
[SPEAKER_00]: It's hard, I just got that.
35:59
[SPEAKER_00]: It's hard.
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[SPEAKER_04]: You know, it doesn't seem like it should be a hard thing to do.
36:08
[SPEAKER_04]: and we don't have great circulation, that can be very difficult on us.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And when we go somewhere fun, we wanna be ready to go.
36:17
[SPEAKER_04]: What I teach is a lot about awareness.
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[SPEAKER_04]: You know, it's noticing.
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[SPEAKER_04]: It's noticing that you've adapted and you're a little bit more, you're not standing up straight where you can't sit on the floor.
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[SPEAKER_04]: You know, little things like that.
36:37
[SPEAKER_04]: I'm a coach that I'll meet you anywhere you are and I'll help you learn how to walk.
36:42
[SPEAKER_04]: And when you learn how to walk with balanced symmetry, speed, you can repair anything.
36:49
[SPEAKER_00]: I, I've told you this before I think, but I was hiking back from snowmass, which is, it's a long hike.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think it's like 18 miles or something.
36:59
[SPEAKER_00]: And I ended up with so much pain in my leg, and I remember I set down and I, I said to my son, someday I'm going to find someone who will teach me how to walk.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Because I knew that the pain I was experiencing was because I wasn't walking correctly, and that's a big part of your program, and you taught me how to walk.
37:19
[SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, it works.
37:20
[SPEAKER_00]: It's fantastic.
37:22
[SPEAKER_04]: Well, the fashion connection and the contiguous nature of fashion is one part.
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[SPEAKER_04]: But all our hinges, you know, the toe hinge, ankle hinge, knee hinge, pelvic hinge, thracle number hinge, you know, we were a locomoting motor, you know, so we need to have everything loose and relatable so that it relates to the other part.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And that's what I teach in walking.
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[SPEAKER_04]: you know, it's not anything fancy.
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[SPEAKER_04]: It's just if one of those joints and one of those hinges is compromised, it's going to compromise the whole structure.
37:57
[SPEAKER_00]: That's the part that's so fascinating.
37:59
[SPEAKER_00]: It's the whole body is just so connected.
38:02
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
38:03
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, and you do have to learn it a little bit because it's not always intuitive.
38:07
[SPEAKER_00]: You have pain in one place.
38:09
[SPEAKER_00]: You want to work that place where the pain is, but quite
38:17
[SPEAKER_04]: Well, that's adaptation.
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[SPEAKER_04]: That's just the nature of compensation and adaptation.
38:22
[SPEAKER_04]: The body is working so hard to help you.
38:26
[SPEAKER_04]: Help itself.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_04]: So something else will be recruited to, oh, I'm strong.
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[SPEAKER_04]: So I'll help out.
38:33
[SPEAKER_00]: Longjewity, you mentioned it.
38:37
[SPEAKER_00]: You brought it up.
38:38
[SPEAKER_00]: But there's another side to that to that you put in a text to me.
38:43
[SPEAKER_00]: you mentioned a new identity as we age.
38:48
[SPEAKER_00]: And I thought, whoa, I don't know if I want that, but I know where you're headed, let's explore that a little bit.
38:55
[SPEAKER_04]: Well, it's just a personal observation.
38:58
[SPEAKER_04]: Is I told a friend yesterday, you know, that being this age is interesting because you're all to young people and you're young to old people.
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[SPEAKER_04]: competitive, if you're an adventure athlete or even in competition, and then you all the sudden are older, our whole attitude and our whole perspective, I would say needs to change.
39:27
[SPEAKER_04]: We, how far we go or our evaluation of being outside needs to change.
39:37
[SPEAKER_04]: It's not about how far we can go.
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[SPEAKER_04]: It's about
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[SPEAKER_04]: looking around and the benefit that we receive through our eyes and through the experience and the ability to be outside.
39:49
[SPEAKER_04]: But I'm telling you this is someone who's older than you.
39:52
[SPEAKER_04]: It's just interesting how this happens.
39:56
[SPEAKER_04]: And it's not a bad thing.
39:58
[SPEAKER_04]: It's not a negative thing.
40:00
[SPEAKER_04]: And then the identity part is evaluating, looking at who you are,
40:09
[SPEAKER_00]: I think the hardest thing is to compare ourselves to our younger selves sometimes, because there was a, you know, when you're 23, you have abilities that you don't have when you're 58.
40:20
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
40:22
[SPEAKER_00]: And I have joked on the venture sports podcast for 11 years now that I'm 23 years old.
40:30
[SPEAKER_00]: And because I have been 23 at heart, but when I had my concussion two years ago, I was working with an occupational therapist to try to be functional again, and she said, you know, you can still do the things you love, but maybe consider not doing them in the same way you did them when you were 23.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And that was a blow to my desires.
40:52
[SPEAKER_00]: It was a blow to my identity, quote unquote, to realize that, yeah, I can still do all the things, but maybe I should think twice before I jump that cliff.
41:04
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
41:05
[SPEAKER_04]: And I think the daily visitation, what I would call it in the rolling out on the ball or spending time on the floor,
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[SPEAKER_04]: connection to your body, in that realistic evaluation.
41:22
[SPEAKER_04]: It's like when you're presented with something that's dangerous or could possibly hurt you, you know, hopefully you think twice.
41:30
[SPEAKER_04]: And it was like, hmm, but, and also to reflect and say, I've done that, you know, I've done it.
41:40
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, there are a lot of younger adults that listen to this program.
41:44
[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe they are 23, maybe 29, right?
41:48
[SPEAKER_00]: And I did things in my younger years that I'm paying for now.
41:55
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
41:56
[SPEAKER_00]: and you delivered me from so many of those consequences, Janney, but that said, you know, I know that I made some unwise choices with my physical body when I was younger and that I've had to, I guess, pay the biper.
42:13
[SPEAKER_00]: So while recommendations would you have for the younger adults who are still out there just tearing it up, how can they take think in terms of longevity,
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[SPEAKER_04]: I think flexibility is probably one of the most important aspects of our physical body.
42:32
[SPEAKER_04]: So flexibility can be in the body and it can also be in the mind.
42:37
[SPEAKER_04]: But as long as we can move, as long as our body can respond to a fall or a turn-our
42:50
[SPEAKER_04]: that the body will avoid injury way more.
42:54
[SPEAKER_04]: And I see that we are focusing so much on strength right now.
43:01
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
43:02
[SPEAKER_04]: And it's not that there's one is more important than the other.
43:04
[SPEAKER_04]: It's again, those three components, balance, strength and flexibility are part of the body and they're part of the mind.
43:12
[SPEAKER_04]: As our mind imbalance is our mind strong, is our mind flexible, is our body balanced,
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[SPEAKER_04]: strong is our body flexible.
43:21
[SPEAKER_04]: So I think working on all of those and of course nutrition, you know nutrition, feeding our bodies, you know, I think we all experienced that, you know, before there was very much awareness about nutrition when we were younger, right?
43:37
[SPEAKER_04]: We just went out and did things and we didn't focus on hydration near as much as it is now.
43:42
[SPEAKER_04]: So there's
43:48
[SPEAKER_04]: to train and to be around, you know, older people.
43:52
[SPEAKER_04]: And I love, I mean, I live in Western Montana, so I'm around a lot of wild animals.
43:59
[SPEAKER_04]: And I hope this is okay to say, but an elk herd only goes as fast as the slowest cow.
44:08
[SPEAKER_00]: Mm, yes.
44:09
[SPEAKER_04]: And I actually have goats, and I'm witnessing the same thing.
44:13
[SPEAKER_04]: I have two pregnant doze, and the whole herd
44:18
[SPEAKER_00]: Hmm, how does that tell us?
44:21
[SPEAKER_04]: Wisdom.
44:23
[SPEAKER_04]: And the one thing I'm noticing with my girl, my doggots is they're always looking around.
44:30
[SPEAKER_04]: They're not just looking forward.
44:32
[SPEAKER_04]: They're looking at their environment.
44:34
[SPEAKER_04]: They're looking at, of course, what predator could be around.
44:37
[SPEAKER_04]: But I just thought of that.
44:39
[SPEAKER_04]: As young people training with older adults, there might be a lot of wisdom in that.
44:45
[SPEAKER_00]: Sure.
44:46
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, one thing that came to mind is you were sharing that was I already used the term muscleing through.
44:53
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I used to just muscle through everything.
44:56
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
44:56
[SPEAKER_00]: The muscleing through might prove that you have grit, you know, that you can put up with a lot of pain and you can be tough, but it's not good for the longevity that you were just talking about.
45:08
[SPEAKER_00]: And so while you're talking about as a balance to approach to adventure sports or any sort of athletic endeavor, it's not just about seeing how strong you are muscling through.
45:19
[SPEAKER_04]: Right, right.
45:21
[SPEAKER_04]: Because there's there's a consequence and maybe the consequence isn't felt in your 30s, but it will be felt in your 50s and 60s.
45:32
[SPEAKER_00]: sure.
45:32
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, I certainly felt it in my 30s.
45:36
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, so you can benefit even in your 20s by thinking in terms of those three things.
45:43
[SPEAKER_00]: Flexibility balance and strength.
45:47
[SPEAKER_00]: It's not just about the strength.
45:49
[SPEAKER_00]: No.
45:49
[SPEAKER_00]: And one thing, I want to ask you about this because, I mean, you are the expert
45:59
[SPEAKER_00]: But you also do a lot of yoga, which is strength and stretching, flexibility, and so I want to get your perspective, I guess.
46:09
[SPEAKER_00]: But before I met you, I would do a lot of what people would call dry stretching.
46:13
[SPEAKER_00]: I would try to limber myself up so I could get through the day because I found that at least that gave me a little mobility back.
46:20
[SPEAKER_00]: but I still had muscles that were being naughty, and literally nodded muscles, but they were being naughty and creating this disalignment or misalignment in my body and just doing yoga-type moves and stretching wasn't fixing that.
46:38
[SPEAKER_00]: So can you comment to that?
46:39
[SPEAKER_00]: Why is it that there's a combination there that's important?
46:43
[SPEAKER_04]: So yoga is the union or the yoke between the mind and the body.
46:49
[SPEAKER_04]: So, raw thing is, you know, our goal and raw thing is pastoral, you know, in uprightness, in being upright.
46:58
[SPEAKER_04]: But most yoga or stretching programs are done on the ground.
47:02
[SPEAKER_04]: And they are done with the mind, you know, as half of the focus.
47:07
[SPEAKER_04]: You know, what is your mind doing?
47:10
[SPEAKER_04]: It's not just to do it, to get it over with, to get it done with.
47:18
[SPEAKER_04]: what is going on in your body, in his presence, in awareness.
47:24
[SPEAKER_00]: Nice.
47:25
[SPEAKER_04]: So then I always, you know, I was a yoga teacher before I was a ralphar and I would always say that the yoga practice is your preparation for uprightness, you know, like, what you're going to go do.
47:41
[SPEAKER_00]: Hmm, right.
47:43
[SPEAKER_04]: And I think a lot of people seem to just
47:48
[SPEAKER_04]: We're in this society as I'm just going to do this so I can do this.
47:53
[SPEAKER_04]: You know, I'm just get it done with.
47:55
[SPEAKER_04]: Right.
47:56
[SPEAKER_04]: And really, if our body is our friend and not our foe, you know, that all that time, whatever we're doing, is giving our body attention.
48:06
[SPEAKER_00]: Jenny self-care is one of the most important things that you taught me.
48:11
[SPEAKER_00]: I always try to be healthy but I never took the time to actually care for myself and you know going to the gym and lifting weights or running or you know whatever your activity might be biking you know all the exercises that you're doing to try to be healthy eating well and all that kind of stuff it doesn't mean
48:34
[SPEAKER_00]: And you taught me a lot about that.
48:37
[SPEAKER_00]: You also taught me to give myself permission to care.
48:42
[SPEAKER_05]: Right, right.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Permission to say, no, no, you're health matters.
48:47
[SPEAKER_00]: If you don't take care of yourself, how are you going to take care of other people?
48:51
[SPEAKER_05]: Right.
48:52
[SPEAKER_00]: And that self care is a big part of your program and so valuable.
48:57
[SPEAKER_00]: And it's not selfish.
48:59
[SPEAKER_00]: It's actually a very, very life-giving.
49:01
[SPEAKER_04]: Right, right.
49:04
[SPEAKER_04]: recollection of our working together is it's I know I remember that was a big piece.
49:12
[SPEAKER_04]: And you you have a lot of people to take care of and and a lot of commitments and obligations and and yet this this back pain was just continuing to be there which was disallowing you to really be with the people you wanted to be with and enjoy the people because no matter what you know
49:34
[SPEAKER_04]: you're not whole, you're not, you know, your full self.
49:39
[SPEAKER_04]: So the first week of the band program is basically just getting ready to do the program and I really hesitate to do that.
49:49
[SPEAKER_04]: But I found that it's really about getting your life in order, you know, telling the people in
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[SPEAKER_04]: your animals, you know, that I'm committing to this.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And I need these tools, I need the space, I need the quiet, and if you can remember that, or, you know, even that is very difficult for people, whether they don't have the space or they're not able to ask the people around them to take up that time in space, but that is vital.
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[SPEAKER_04]: It's vital.
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[SPEAKER_00]: very important stuff.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I can't believe that we've already gone through our time, but I think we did it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think we did a pretty good job of exploring what it is that you offer and the reason I wanted to have you on for one part is because you have had an adventurous lifestyle.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You've worked with adventure athletes your whole life and you get these people.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You
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[SPEAKER_00]: And then you've learned how to provide the healing and to teach the self-care so people can be more successful and enjoy the fun of their adventures so much more.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And, you know, the Adventure Sports podcast at its core is about health.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's about living a richer, fuller life in a healthier way, with your loved ones, with your friends and having a richer existence.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So when I say get out there and have some fun, what I'm actually saying is you can live a better life.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yep.
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[SPEAKER_00]: and you really helped me in my life and you get it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I just want to say for the listeners out there, yeah, if you think there's some value and what Janie's talking about, then explore maybe working with her.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It can be life changing, for sure.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And it has been for me, and it continues to be, it's an ongoing thing.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, I worked with Janie several years ago, but I continue to do her program on a daily basis.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And it's changed my life.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So, Janie, I want to say a big thank you to you, not only for being on the show, but for making it possible for me to continue to adventure.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Oh, thank you so much and I'll just like to end with a quote and for I want to my teachers and that it says, there's nothing wrong with you that what's right with you can't cure.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I love it, say it again.
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[SPEAKER_04]: There is nothing wrong with you that what's right with you can't cure.
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[SPEAKER_00]: that's beautiful.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, everyone, thanks for listening today.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Once again, realchangeinstitute.org.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's how you can find Janie and learn more about the the back-and-action method.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's BAM.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So that's realchangeinstitute.org Janie, thank you again and everyone out there.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Make sure you do get out there and have some fun.
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[SPEAKER_04]: All right.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Thank you so much, Kurt.