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Summer House Scandal, Zack Peter’s Take on Lively vs. Baldoni, and Taylor Frankie Paul’s Day in Court · Juicy Scoop with Heather McDonald

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  Speaker 2: Heather MacDonald. Juicy Scoop. Hello and welcome to Juicy Scoop.
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  Speaker 5: We have so much to get into and I am
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  Speaker 5: very lucky to bring an expert in the field of everything.
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  Speaker 5: Zach Peter of No Filter with Zach Peter is here.
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  Speaker 5: And Zach, I mean, I was on vacation. And this
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  Speaker 5: is how dutiful his life's work has come to a
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  Speaker 5: climactic point. And I got a text from him. And
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  Speaker 5: he was like, oh, my God, Heather, what did you
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  Speaker 5: write me?
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  Speaker 2: Blake's case has been dismissed. Well, it's been gutted. Most
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  Speaker 2: of it has been dismissed at this point.
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  Speaker 5: Blake suing Justin Baldoni for that she was sexually harassed,
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  Speaker 5: which we have always questioned the validity and the facts
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  Speaker 5: of that element of her claims for so many reasons.
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  Speaker 2: And, you know, we covered it.
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  Speaker 5: A lot here, but Zach was always, like, ahead of
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  Speaker 5: the steps, reading all the stuff.
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  Speaker 6: Really, in the forefront, it is.
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  Speaker 5: I feel like when they do the made-for-TV movie, which
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  Speaker 5: they don't do made-for-TV movies, when they do the streamer movie,
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  Speaker 5: about your life, I think this is a pinnacle chapter.
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  Speaker 2: Well, I hope that if they do a movie about
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  Speaker 2: Blake and Baldoni, that there's, like, a caricature of me
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  Speaker 2: that like is the YouTuber or the TikToker and there
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  Speaker 2: should be a parody character that is based on me
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  Speaker 2: because I was one of the only people that never
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  Speaker 2: joined the Blake Lives Matter Coalition and believed her story
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  Speaker 2: from day one. I was the only one that questioned
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  Speaker 2: the New York Times article and I took my beatings
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  Speaker 2: from the internet accordingly and I can now fully sit
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  Speaker 2: in my vindication.
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  Speaker 6: Do you feel like you're one of those people like,
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  Speaker 6: I was on.
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  Speaker 2: The right side of history? I'm always on the right
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  Speaker 2: side of history.
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  Speaker 5: And sometimes it takes a few years for the history
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  Speaker 5: to catch up to Zach. And is there anybody that
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  Speaker 5: you could see playing yourself? Because I want to warn you,
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  Speaker 5: I've only had one time a person play me in
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  Speaker 5: like a reenactment. And it was Hollywood Ghost Stories.
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  Speaker 2: Oh.
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  Speaker 6: And I told a story of where I thought I
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  Speaker 6: was in a hotel with a ghost.
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  Speaker 5: And part of my story was when I travel and
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  Speaker 5: do stand-up, so there was a girl playing me.
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  Speaker 6: And when I saw it, I.
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  Speaker 2: Was not thrilled at all. With the choice.
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  Speaker 5: They just picked what you would think would be a
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  Speaker 5: brunette stand-up, but it didn't look like me at all.
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  Speaker 5: And so I just want to warn you, who knows
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  Speaker 5: what will end up being the zap.
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  Speaker 2: It's going to be a lifetime movie, so I'm going
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  Speaker 2: to get some low-budget, real TikToker that's going to be
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  Speaker 2: grateful for five minutes of camera time. Okay, well, for
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  Speaker 2: the people.
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  Speaker 5: Putting it together, you know you can easily just... There
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  Speaker 5: used to be a thing in castings... Where they would say,
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  Speaker 5: we're looking for a Kathy Griffin type.
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  Speaker 2: We're looking for.
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  Speaker 5: And there was a story of Tracy Ellis Ross who
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  Speaker 5: said she saw the breakdown and said, they're like, we're
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  Speaker 5: looking for a Tracy Ellis Ross type.
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  Speaker 6: And she's like, why can't.
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  Speaker 2: It be me? No one's called me to do it.
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  Speaker 6: So you could actually get the real deal.
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  Speaker 2: I hope so. I'm available. So let's... I mean.
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  Speaker 5: In this saga, explain, okay, so 13 of the things,
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  Speaker 5: 10 were thrown out.
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  Speaker 2: Correct.
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  Speaker 5: Those all had to do with her claiming she was
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  Speaker 5: sexually harassed on set during the filming of This and Us.
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  Speaker 2: It Ends With Us, yeah. Sorry, It Ends With Us, yes. Yes,
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  Speaker 2: so there were multiple claims that she was making, including
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  Speaker 2: sexual harassment, toxic work environment, defamation, retaliation, all of these things,
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  Speaker 2: and 10 of 13 have been dismissed. including the key
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  Speaker 2: ones being sexual harassment thrown out.
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  Speaker 5: So that's because the judge really looked at all the
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  Speaker 5: evidence and there was nothing that would justify this going
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  Speaker 5: further or what?
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  Speaker 2: Yes and no. So it, because you'll hear a lot
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  Speaker 2: of the Blake supporters say, oh, well, it was dismissed
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  Speaker 2: on a technicality, which is sort of true, but also
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  Speaker 2: not because the judge broke it down. And I think
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  Speaker 2: it's 152 pages, his full ruling. And he goes into
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  Speaker 2: each of her different claims and he makes it clear that,
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  Speaker 2: you know, or he at least gives his professional opinion
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  Speaker 2: as to why those specific allegations wouldn't stand at trial.
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  Speaker 2: And so he dismissed it. The biggest piece of evidence
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  Speaker 2: that really came back to bite her is this PGA
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  Speaker 2: letter that she wrote where she was requesting. Producers Guild. Correct.
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  Speaker 2: Producers Guild Association. And so she wanted the PGA credit
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  Speaker 2: on this film by saying, I did all of these things.
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  Speaker 2: And she broke it down and listed all 70 things
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  Speaker 2: that she did. including overseeing HR on a daily basis.
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  Speaker 2: That's one of the things that she wrote in the
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  Speaker 2: letter as to why she deserved this credit.
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  Speaker 5: And so then that is what combats her claims.
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  Speaker 2: That she didn't have any power on set and she
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  Speaker 2: wasn't a vulnerable employee. So he's like, well, no, she
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  Speaker 2: wasn't an employee. She was an independent contractor. She wasn't
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  Speaker 2: an underling. She wasn't, yeah. She had a lot of
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  Speaker 2: power on the set. So she wasn't classified as an employee.
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  Speaker 2: She was classified as an independent contractor who did yield
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  Speaker 2: some power. on the set of It Ends With Us.
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  Speaker 2: And he even gets more specific. Like there was one
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  Speaker 2: allegation where she's like, Justin Baldoni described his genitalia to me.
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  Speaker 2: And then you get into the context behind that conversation.
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  Speaker 2: And it was before the movie even started, before she'd
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  Speaker 2: even agreed to be in the movie. And it was
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  Speaker 2: in regard, she was pregnant with her son and Ryan
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  Speaker 2: Reynolds was there. The nannies were there. They were hanging
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  Speaker 2: out at their house, which she likes to refer to
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  Speaker 2: as Buckingham Palace, which we learned from the Taylor Swift
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  Speaker 2: text messages that that's what she calls her house. And
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  Speaker 2: they were talking about- Yeah. Well, she says because so
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  Speaker 2: many famous people come in and out of there that
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  Speaker 2: it's like Buckingham Palace, I believe, is the message that she... Okay,
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  Speaker 2: that's annoying. Go on, yeah. But the conversation they were
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  Speaker 2: having was about her baby boy, and it was her
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  Speaker 2: first boy, and whether or not she was going to
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  Speaker 2: circumcise him. And so in this conversation where Justin Baldoni
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  Speaker 2: was not her boss at the time, I guess it
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  Speaker 2: came up that he is circumcised. And so in the
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  Speaker 2: context of talking about circumcision for a baby, the baby
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  Speaker 2: that she was about to give birth to, So the
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  Speaker 2: judge is like, well, no, that doesn't qualify as sexual harassment.
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  Speaker 2: And so all of these pieces or all of these
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  Speaker 2: different allegations just didn't rise to the degree of sexual harassment.
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  Speaker 2: If you lump them all together, sure, but then you
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  Speaker 2: factor in she was not an employee. She had a
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  Speaker 2: lot of power on the set. So the sexual harassment
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  Speaker 2: piece was one of the biggest ones that got dismissed.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, really in studying it too and going
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  Speaker 5: through this for the last year and a half, it
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  Speaker 5: was like every single thing really had a circumstantial reason
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  Speaker 5: and explanation to it. And really what was the most
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  Speaker 5: fascinating part was in myself and analyzing it was what she,
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  Speaker 5: who she is as a person, as an actress, married
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  Speaker 5: to Ryan Reynolds, as someone who's been married to someone
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  Speaker 5: for 10 years, who's pushing 40, who has four kids, right?
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  Speaker 6: Who is excited to have.
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  Speaker 2: A little crush at work.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Who then.
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  Speaker 5: What I like about what I do on Juicy Scoop,
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  Speaker 5: whether it's Housewives or this, is these.
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  Speaker 6: Stories are relatable.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: They are relatable.
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  Speaker 6: And so it's like she.
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  Speaker 5: What I believe happened, it was a rolling effect of
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  Speaker 5: where someone should have stopped the train. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: And it was.
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  Speaker 6: this whole thing happened. There was arguments or whatever.
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  Speaker 5: And she let Ryan Reynolds know that he had come
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  Speaker 5: on to her, that this was going on. And then
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  Speaker 5: that sparked, I don't want him even near me at the, um, premiere.
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  Speaker 5: And because Ryan Reynolds is more famous and because she's
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  Speaker 5: the more famous face, they just wanted to like, keep
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  Speaker 5: her happy. Let's get through this fucking thing. And, When
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  Speaker 5: that press came out and everything, the movie still did well.
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  Speaker 6: People were fine.
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  Speaker 5: Then there was like a little bit of like, oh,
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  Speaker 5: she's kind of a bitch on other shows and stuff
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  Speaker 5: that popped up. And this is where you make a mistake,
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  Speaker 5: whether you're a small content creator or Blake Lively. You
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  Speaker 5: start listening and reading and thinking the entire world thinks
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  Speaker 5: you're something that you're not. And you start spiraling, and
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  Speaker 5: then you have a husband that's like, let's spiral together.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 5: And then fuck this guy, and now we're off to
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  Speaker 5: the races. We're going to destroy him. And whether he
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  Speaker 5: believed her or not, whether she believed herself, whether they exaggerated,
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  Speaker 5: whether someone put it in their head that this is
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  Speaker 5: a real thing and it's really happening— The fact that there.
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  Speaker 6: Was no one to just go, stop.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 7: Stop.
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  Speaker 5: Just chill a minute. You're all, you're going to be fine.
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  Speaker 5: You're absolutely going to work again. Give it a fucking minute.
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  Speaker 2: Louis C.K.
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  Speaker 5: Is selling out Madison Square Garden. Give it a fucking second.
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  Speaker 7: Yep.
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  Speaker 2: People will forget that.
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  Speaker 5: You have a little bit of a dismissive bitchy attitude
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  Speaker 5: with a makeup artist.
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  Speaker 2: Who cares? Had she just let this play out? Another
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  Speaker 2: Simple Favor with Anna Kendrick was coming out the next year.
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  Speaker 2: She'd already filmed it. And I think had she just
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  Speaker 2: let the dust settle and went straight into another Simple Favor...
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  Speaker 2: Like the movie itself, like it's very campy and it's
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  Speaker 2: a little cheesy, but it wasn't bad. Another Simple Favor.
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  Speaker 8: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: The sequel. I watched it. It wasn't bad. And I
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  Speaker 2: think people, I mean, I think people are hating the
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  Speaker 2: movie because they dislike her. But I think had she
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  Speaker 2: just let that play out and that movie came out,
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  Speaker 2: I think people would have, she would have won people
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  Speaker 2: over again.
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  Speaker 5: I actually was a huge fan of the first movie
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  Speaker 5: of Simple Favor.
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  Speaker 2: I loved it. I thought it was funny. I thought
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  Speaker 2: she was really good.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah.
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  Speaker 5: Whether she was playing herself or not, who cares? Like
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  Speaker 5: that's kind of interesting.
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  Speaker 8: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: She was great.
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  Speaker 5: I originally didn't think she was terrible in the town.
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  Speaker 5: I love that movie. Now I die at how bad
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  Speaker 5: it is. I die at the parodies of people doing her.
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  Speaker 5: Like how she's like, oh, you're the crime stopper. You
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  Speaker 5: figure it out. God, you know I'm a drug addict.
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  Speaker 5: Charlie's going to know what's going to happen.
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  Speaker 2: Now I'm like, oh my God, that was really bad.
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  Speaker 5: And then people look further into it and they're like,
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  Speaker 5: why was Ben Affleck driving around at 2 a.m.
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  Speaker 2: While he was married to Jennifer? Yeah. Affleck or whatever.
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  Speaker 5: And you know, so then you're all those, but still
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  Speaker 5: people move on so quickly. And even women who hate
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  Speaker 5: on women and whatever, they move on so quickly. There's
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  Speaker 5: a new story in a week and a half in
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  Speaker 5: her case. God learn from it. Like relax, put your
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  Speaker 5: phone down.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 6: Go on a vacation with your family. Like, like just chill.
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  Speaker 2: I think, To that same point, I think she thought,
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  Speaker 2: let's just do the New York Times article and we'll
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  Speaker 2: bury him there. I think she thought that that's where
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  Speaker 2: it was going to end. And then he just, he
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  Speaker 2: called up Steve Sarowitz, his, you know, his, the executive
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  Speaker 2: from his production company, who's a billionaire. And he's just like,
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  Speaker 2: we're fighting this. And they did. And they fought back
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  Speaker 2: and they came back swinging. And now, you know, here
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  Speaker 2: we are. But it's interesting.
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  Speaker 5: So do you think that she and Ryan and her
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  Speaker 5: team never thought again, in strategizing what you want to
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  Speaker 5: do and the team wanting to please her.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah.
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  Speaker 5: Okay, if that's what you want to do, you know,
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  Speaker 5: and being a sycophant or not really saying or just
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  Speaker 5: being too dumb to not go, okay, so Justin Baldoni,
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  Speaker 5: he's best known for being.
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  Speaker 6: The actor on, what was it called?
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  Speaker 2: Jane the Virgin. Jane the Virgin.
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  Speaker 6: He's cute.
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  Speaker 5: He's done some directing. He's not, you know, Martin Scorsese.
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  Speaker 2: So, fuck him.
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  Speaker 5: We're going to bury him because you think, because really
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  Speaker 5: he like wasn't into you and you think he called
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  Speaker 5: you fat. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Okay. Whatever.
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  Speaker 6: And so let's do that.
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  Speaker 5: So nobody said, but now wait a minute, honey, what
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  Speaker 5: if he doesn't crawl back into a hole and start doing,
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  Speaker 5: you know, a Hallmark movie on the side and move
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  Speaker 5: to Canada?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 5: What if his partner who is a billionaire is like,
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  Speaker 5: I'm a fucking billionaire, dude.
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  Speaker 2: No, no, no.
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  Speaker 6: I know you're a good guy. We're going to fight this.
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  Speaker 6: Do you think that's what happened?
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  Speaker 5: Do you think nobody said there's someone behind him that
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  Speaker 5: might not crawl into Canada's Hallmark?
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  Speaker 2: Well, they always knew that he would that Sarowitz would
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  Speaker 2: step in because they named Sarowitz in the lawsuit as well.
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  Speaker 2: So they barked up that tree. They named Sarowitz. They
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  Speaker 2: named Jamie Heath. They named Justin Baldoni, his publicist, Jennifer
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  Speaker 2: Abel and his crisis manager, Melissa Nathan. all of whom
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  Speaker 2: have now been completely dismissed. So the only defendants left
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  Speaker 2: in this lawsuit are Wayfair, the studio, and it ends
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  Speaker 2: with us, the LLC, that were producing the film. So
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  Speaker 2: all of them have been dismissed personally. So it's not
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  Speaker 2: even Blake's battle against Justin Baldoni anymore because he's been dismissed.
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  Speaker 2: It's just his studio that stands as a defendant. But
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  Speaker 2: I do think they knew that that would be a possibility,
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  Speaker 2: but that's why they put so many of these legal
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  Speaker 2: protections in place. They were really, really smart about how
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  Speaker 2: they went about this lawsuit. I just don't think they expected,
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  Speaker 2: because once you throw out allegations coming off of, you know,
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  Speaker 2: Me Too and Time's Up and all that, once you
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  Speaker 2: throw those allegations out there, there's kind of always that
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  Speaker 2: stink on you regardless. And so I think they thought
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  Speaker 2: that that would just be enough to, you know.
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  Speaker 5: And also, do you think this will be like, you know,
• 14:35
  Speaker 5: crisis PR, like 101, like case study, like, what to do,
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  Speaker 5: what not to do, like going forward in a digital
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  Speaker 5: world when she said in her statement, like, this is
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  Speaker 5: about digital violence. And I'm like, girl, then we're all
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  Speaker 5: victims of digital violence. Anybody that, someone who has 200
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  Speaker 5: followers and their best friend looked at their story but
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  Speaker 5: didn't like it, they're a victim of digital violence.
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  Speaker 6: Like, I mean, come on.
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  Speaker 2: Well, that's the, so that's what's going forward to trial
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  Speaker 2: now is that retaliation piece. So there are three claims
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  Speaker 2: that are moving forward. It's the retaliation in part, it's
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  Speaker 2: breach of contract, and it's breach of implied covenant. So
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  Speaker 2: the case has really been reduced to a contract dispute
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  Speaker 2: and whether or not the studio violated their contract by
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  Speaker 2: retaliating against her. But so what she'll have to prove
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  Speaker 2: in court now is, one, she has to prove that
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  Speaker 2: she doesn't have to prove sexual harassment, but she has
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  Speaker 2: to prove that she did formally bring allegations against them.
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  Speaker 2: which as of right now, based off of all the
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  Speaker 2: evidence we have, there's no evidence that she brought. There
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  Speaker 2: are no HR complaints. There's no emails or text messages
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  Speaker 2: to any of the Sony executives. We have one Sony executive,
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  Speaker 2: Angie Giannetti, who has already come out and said that, no,
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  Speaker 2: there were never any formal complaints that were brought against
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  Speaker 2: Baldoni or any of the parties. So she has to
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  Speaker 2: prove that there were legit claims that were brought. Then
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  Speaker 2: she has to prove that retaliation did take place. And
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  Speaker 2: this is where she's going to have to say the
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  Speaker 2: smear campaign was real. And she's going to have to
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  Speaker 2: prove that and not that he was just defending himself,
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  Speaker 2: but that they were intentionally trying to harm her reputation.
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  Speaker 2: And then three, she's going to have to prove that
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  Speaker 2: they did and tried to harm her reputation specifically because
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  Speaker 2: she brought these allegations and they were retaliating against her
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  Speaker 2: for bringing forth those allegations. But even when it comes
• 16:25
  Speaker 2: down to the contract dispute, and this is what the
• 16:27
  Speaker 2: jury is going to have to determine, with the contract,
• 16:29
  Speaker 2: it's really riding on this 17 point list of demands
• 16:33
  Speaker 2: that she made. She halted production halfway through, and she said,
• 16:36
  Speaker 2: these are 17 points that I want to make sure
• 16:39
  Speaker 2: for the next phase of production are met. They said, okay, fine, whatever.
• 16:43
  Speaker 2: Give her whatever she wants. We'll sign the agreement and say, yes,
• 16:46
  Speaker 2: all 17 points of those we'll agree to. One of
• 16:49
  Speaker 2: them being we won't retaliate against you. What that means,
• 16:51
  Speaker 2: nobody really knows, which is what a jury is going
• 16:53
  Speaker 2: to have to define. But they say, okay, sure, we
• 16:56
  Speaker 2: won't retaliate against you. But that specific contract, the terms
• 17:00
  Speaker 2: of that are really going to be what the jury's
• 17:03
  Speaker 2: going to have to look at because it was in
• 17:05
  Speaker 2: relation to production. These things cannot happen during production. And
• 17:09
  Speaker 2: at the end of production, she signed an agreement saying
• 17:12
  Speaker 2: none of these things happened. The second phase of production
• 17:14
  Speaker 2: went by smoothly. And the alleged retaliation happened after production.
• 17:19
  Speaker 2: It happened during the promotional tour, so we don't even
• 17:22
  Speaker 2: know if that retaliation even would apply in this case.
• 17:25
  Speaker 5: I mean, and this is why people are like, maybe
• 17:27
  Speaker 5: AI in Hollywood isn't such a bad idea.
• 17:29
  Speaker 2: Like, seriously. Like, my God.
• 17:31
  Speaker 5: I mean, the movie was so not good. Like, it
• 17:35
  Speaker 5: made no sense that she has this flower shop that,
• 17:40
  Speaker 5: you know, is just all boarded up, but somehow she
• 17:43
  Speaker 5: manages to get the lease to do black dry flower
• 17:46
  Speaker 5: arrangements and And then the rich sister is like, I'm bored.
• 17:50
  Speaker 5: I'm just walking around with my Birkin and I just
• 17:52
  Speaker 5: want to like work anywhere. I just would like to
• 17:56
  Speaker 5: get a job. So I'm just knocking on a door
• 17:58
  Speaker 5: that's all boarded up and dusty. Do you want me
• 18:00
  Speaker 5: to help you? And I don't want to come in
• 18:04
  Speaker 5: once the place is clean. Let's not hire anyone to help.
• 18:07
  Speaker 2: Clean it up.
• 18:08
  Speaker 5: Let me just, let's turn on the music. And so
• 18:12
  Speaker 5: I have to say like, It was lame. There were
• 18:14
  Speaker 5: so many lame things about the movie. So it's just
• 18:16
  Speaker 5: like it wasn't even good.
• 18:18
  Speaker 2: Well, that's Colleen Hoover's problem.
• 18:20
  Speaker 6: Yeah, it's true. But it was lame.
• 18:23
  Speaker 8: So.
• 18:24
  Speaker 2: So, yeah, now it moves forward to trial May 18th.
• 18:27
  Speaker 6: And then the sequence, the sequel. What happens to that?
• 18:30
  Speaker 2: There is no sequel. I don't think I mean, he's
• 18:32
  Speaker 2: still technically.
• 18:33
  Speaker 6: There was a second book.
• 18:34
  Speaker 2: There's a second book. It's called It Starts With Us.
• 18:37
  Speaker 2: He owns the rights to the second book to make
• 18:40
  Speaker 2: it into a film if he wants to. I doubt
• 18:42
  Speaker 2: that he will. Oh, my God. His character isn't even
• 18:44
  Speaker 2: in it. Or is not really in it.
• 18:46
  Speaker 5: I wonder if he will, though, just to, like, be like,
• 18:49
  Speaker 5: you know what? This is the full circle moment. And
• 18:53
  Speaker 5: what if it was really fucking good? Like, what if
• 18:56
  Speaker 5: he got someone to rewrite it?
• 18:57
  Speaker 2: I mean, I guess he could.
• 18:58
  Speaker 5: And it turns out to be great. And he's like,
• 19:00
  Speaker 5: five years later, here is... The, you know, the cherry
• 19:03
  Speaker 5: on the shit sundae, but it actually tastes good.
• 19:06
  Speaker 2: I don't know. I think he would get support. I
• 19:08
  Speaker 2: think people would show up in theaters for him. Amazing.
• 19:13
  Speaker 9: Christmas shopping has already started in our house. My daughter
• 19:16
  Speaker 9: is so organized, already planning Christmas gifts from Macaulay. Hair
• 19:20
  Speaker 9: care for her aunt and a fab fragrance for her bestie.
• 19:23
  Speaker 9: But the apple doesn't fall far from the tree. I'm
• 19:25
  Speaker 9: an early bird, buying one present a week from now
• 19:27
  Speaker 9: till Christmas, which makes budgeting less stressful. I can buy
• 19:30
  Speaker 9: in-store or online from Macaulay.ie for home delivery or free
• 19:35
  Speaker 9: click and collect.
• 19:36
  Speaker 2: So easy.
• 19:37
  Speaker 9: Gifts they'll cherish at prices you'll love.
• 19:40
  Speaker 7: I'm Darman, and this is What Happens Next. Each week
• 19:45
  Speaker 7: on the show, I sit down with extraordinary people who
• 19:48
  Speaker 7: have faced tremendous setbacks and yet somehow have found a
• 19:53
  Speaker 7: way to turn them into their greatest strengths.
• 19:55
  Speaker 2: Life is one long lesson of chaos.
• 19:58
  Speaker 5: I'm heading to the Emmys, and I have police complaints
• 20:01
  Speaker 5: filed against me.
• 20:02
  Speaker 2: When your free will was about to be taken from you,
• 20:04
  Speaker 2: what would you do if it was given back?
• 20:07
  Speaker 7: Where did that need come from where you thought that
• 20:10
  Speaker 7: you had to succeed in order to feel loved?
• 20:12
  Speaker 2: He said, I have a work dad.
• 20:13
  Speaker 5: I need a home dad.
• 20:14
  Speaker 2: What happens next? When I came in, he started crying.
• 20:17
  Speaker 7: Everybody in life encounters hardships. What defines them is not
• 20:21
  Speaker 7: those hard moments that they go through. It's about what
• 20:24
  Speaker 7: happens next.
• 20:25
  Speaker 2: I decided to risk it all. I realized how valuable
• 20:28
  Speaker 2: every day was. You're worth the work. Listen, Dara, I'm
• 20:30
  Speaker 2: not going to pull punches. You can use your voice
• 20:33
  Speaker 2: even if it's shaped.
• 20:34
  Speaker 7: The stories are different, but the impact is the same.
• 20:37
  Speaker 7: Only one question matters. What happens next?
• 20:48
  Speaker 5: Well, Savannah Guthrie, she spoke on Easter, a video that
• 20:55
  Speaker 5: was picked up a lot of places, I think knowing
• 20:57
  Speaker 5: that she was going to come back today to the
• 21:00
  Speaker 5: Today Show and saying, it's her home, I'm home. And
• 21:05
  Speaker 5: then some people in the comments were like, you're home.
• 21:08
  Speaker 5: That's kind of a weird thing to say since your
• 21:10
  Speaker 5: mother was taken from her home. I remember like thinking
• 21:15
  Speaker 5: if and when Yeah. Would she come back? People speculated
• 21:18
  Speaker 5: I would never want to be in the public eye again.
• 21:21
  Speaker 5: This was obviously related to her or not. Other people saying, yeah,
• 21:25
  Speaker 5: but when you lose someone in your life, whether it's
• 21:27
  Speaker 5: a parent or a child, you need to get back
• 21:30
  Speaker 5: into a routine. And why wouldn't you? It's an easy job.
• 21:33
  Speaker 5: It's a fun job that you liked. And I thought,
• 21:37
  Speaker 5: I think my prediction was like that she would go
• 21:40
  Speaker 5: back in September because I thought she'll take the rest
• 21:43
  Speaker 5: of the school year off. Then the kids and her
• 21:46
  Speaker 5: will like, go on vacation. And then once they go
• 21:48
  Speaker 5: back to school, she'll be like, okay. But it also
• 21:52
  Speaker 5: could be contractual and mentally, yeah, sometimes you just need
• 21:58
  Speaker 5: to move on, you know, and just go back to
• 22:00
  Speaker 5: your job, no matter what.
• 22:02
  Speaker 2: The tragedy is. I think September probably would have been
• 22:05
  Speaker 2: the smarter decision. And she didn't even need to go
• 22:08
  Speaker 2: back to the Today Show. She could have written a book,
• 22:10
  Speaker 2: you know, she would have gotten a good deal about
• 22:12
  Speaker 2: healing from grief and like she could have really turned
• 22:15
  Speaker 2: this into her next chapter in life. I predicted that
• 22:22
  Speaker 2: she was going to do a sit down with Hoda
• 22:23
  Speaker 2: Kotb before it was announced that that was going to
• 22:25
  Speaker 2: be the one on one. And I predicted that by
• 22:27
  Speaker 2: the end of that interview, that we would have a
• 22:30
  Speaker 2: date for her return, which we got April 6th, which
• 22:33
  Speaker 2: has now happened. She came back and joy is her protest.
• 22:36
  Speaker 2: That's the the tagline that they're going with joy is
• 22:40
  Speaker 2: her protest. Um, what do you mean? So it means
• 22:43
  Speaker 2: be happy. Like, don't like, you're not going to, you,
• 22:47
  Speaker 2: you robbed her of her mom, but you're not going
• 22:50
  Speaker 2: to rob her of her joy.
• 22:51
  Speaker 5: Okay.
• 22:52
  Speaker 2: Her joy in life. Okay. All right. I mean, it's just,
• 22:56
  Speaker 2: not that I'm trying to judge her, but it is
• 22:57
  Speaker 2: very soon to be embracing the joy of life. Considering
• 23:00
  Speaker 2: you still haven't found your mother and you don't seem
• 23:02
  Speaker 2: very upset about the investigation into finding your mother. Um,
• 23:07
  Speaker 2: But yeah, listen, she's back. It is a little soon,
• 23:10
  Speaker 2: but I think Hoda Kotb was gunning for that spot.
• 23:14
  Speaker 5: I still think, now I do think it was not
• 23:18
  Speaker 5: something as calculating and weird and conspiracy about her and
• 23:26
  Speaker 5: what she's reported on and all that. I do think
• 23:29
  Speaker 5: it was just a crime that happened. like a JonBenet
• 23:36
  Speaker 5: that we might never know what happened, but it happened.
• 23:40
  Speaker 5: It happened and she's no longer with us. And it
• 23:42
  Speaker 5: was then they took her and then a fake people
• 23:45
  Speaker 5: did the ransom. And it was like, either they meant
• 23:48
  Speaker 5: to kill her or they didn't meant to kill her,
• 23:50
  Speaker 5: but they took her and they left the house and
• 23:53
  Speaker 5: in a panic and whoever that is, whether it's a
• 23:55
  Speaker 5: deviant essay or, or, they didn't mean to kill her
• 24:00
  Speaker 5: and they were just trying to rob the house. Or
• 24:02
  Speaker 5: they're just some weird dude that knew that a rich
• 24:04
  Speaker 5: lady lived down the street whose grandparents would watch her
• 24:08
  Speaker 5: daughter Savannah on the news every day. And he was like,
• 24:10
  Speaker 5: that house must be rich. And he was like, dumb
• 24:13
  Speaker 5: and did this.
• 24:15
  Speaker 2: I don't know. I don't think that's, I thought, I
• 24:17
  Speaker 2: don't think, well, they, the latest reports have come out
• 24:21
  Speaker 2: that the house was pretty clean. Um, So whoever did this,
• 24:26
  Speaker 2: I think, cleaned up after themselves, which makes the blood
• 24:29
  Speaker 2: on the porch a little more suspicious. And then the
• 24:31
  Speaker 2: back doors being wide open, also suspicious. I think the
• 24:34
  Speaker 2: family knows what happened. I do. And what do you
• 24:36
  Speaker 2: think happened? I think something happened to her. I mean,
• 24:41
  Speaker 2: I've played around with a few different theories, but I
• 24:43
  Speaker 2: think it all goes back to. the sister Annie, and
• 24:46
  Speaker 2: the brother-in-law Tommaso. They were the last ones to see
• 24:48
  Speaker 2: her alive. I mean, you do Juicy Crimes. You know
• 24:51
  Speaker 2: that statistically and with the pattern of crime, it's usually
• 24:54
  Speaker 2: somebody close to the subject, number one. And number two,
• 24:58
  Speaker 2: you have to look at what could the motivations be.
• 25:00
  Speaker 2: And then when you look at the traditional motivations, it
• 25:02
  Speaker 2: probably wasn't A crime of passion. Nobody was having an
• 25:06
  Speaker 2: affair with Nancy Guthrie. Yeah. You know, so it's probably financial. Well,
• 25:10
  Speaker 2: who had the financial motivation? Well, Annie is a poet
• 25:13
  Speaker 2: and Tommaso is a substitute teacher and they just bought
• 25:16
  Speaker 2: a house last summer. So how are they funding their
• 25:18
  Speaker 2: life if it wasn't motivate or if it wasn't linked
• 25:22
  Speaker 2: back to possibly Nancy, who was also they were also
• 25:25
  Speaker 2: her caretaker. Why do you think that?
• 25:27
  Speaker 5: Savannah, because it is her sister, she just doesn't want
• 25:30
  Speaker 5: to believe it. She doesn't want more pain to the family.
• 25:32
  Speaker 5: Because that's what I originally thought, too. I thought the
• 25:36
  Speaker 5: mother is helping them. Or even she secretly was helping
• 25:42
  Speaker 5: her son-in-law. He was convincing her that he was going
• 25:46
  Speaker 5: to do this great business in Bitcoin.
• 25:48
  Speaker 2: Who knows?
• 25:49
  Speaker 5: And she gave money or was giving money, and finally
• 25:52
  Speaker 5: they had that last meal, and she either told them
• 25:54
  Speaker 5: both or told him privately... I'm not going to help
• 25:57
  Speaker 5: you anymore. And then something happened, whether it was intentional
• 26:02
  Speaker 5: or not, but well, if she's gone, then we will
• 26:07
  Speaker 5: get the money. And there was something that happened with
• 26:09
  Speaker 5: the house recently where they're like, they, they are able to, um,
• 26:14
  Speaker 5: it doesn't have to just stay. It could go in
• 26:16
  Speaker 5: the trust in meaning now they could sell it and
• 26:20
  Speaker 5: stage it and then and then use the money or
• 26:24
  Speaker 5: they could clean it up and they could move into it,
• 26:28
  Speaker 5: the brother-in-law and the sister. And then they could sell
• 26:32
  Speaker 5: their house and they could live on that. And then
• 26:34
  Speaker 5: that way, if the mother ever came back, her house
• 26:37
  Speaker 5: is still there.
• 26:37
  Speaker 8: Yeah.
• 26:38
  Speaker 2: And not sold. Yeah, no, I agree. I mean, it's
• 26:40
  Speaker 2: just there are too many unanswered questions and there's not
• 26:43
  Speaker 2: enough outrage, I think, from the family and not enough
• 26:46
  Speaker 2: utilization of all of these resources like the Today Show
• 26:49
  Speaker 2: and NBC that could have been used in the first two, three, four, five, six,
• 26:54
  Speaker 2: seven weeks of this case. And the whole the rest
• 26:58
  Speaker 2: of the world was more invested in finding answers. Nancy Guthrie.
• 27:01
  Speaker 2: So I think Savannah came because she believed her mother
• 27:04
  Speaker 2: was missing. And then, listen, if your sister comes to
• 27:07
  Speaker 2: you and is like, holy shit, we accidentally killed her.
• 27:11
  Speaker 2: We needed to get rid of her. Like, if it
• 27:13
  Speaker 2: was an accident, it was unintentional, something.
• 27:15
  Speaker 5: Would you cover up for your sister?
• 27:19
  Speaker 2: Well, look at the theory with JonBenet. I don't know, maybe.
• 27:21
  Speaker 2: Look at the theory with JonBenet Ramsey. The theory is
• 27:23
  Speaker 2: that they covered up for the brother for the son.
• 27:25
  Speaker 2: For the pineapple.
• 27:26
  Speaker 3: Pineapple.
• 27:27
  Speaker 2: But then you take it a step further, right? Could
• 27:29
  Speaker 2: she be covering up for Annie?
• 27:30
  Speaker 5: Maybe.
• 27:31
  Speaker 2: But then you go a step further and you're like, well,
• 27:34
  Speaker 2: what other motivations would Savannah have outside of protecting her family?
• 27:38
  Speaker 2: You also have her job and her reputation. If she's
• 27:41
  Speaker 2: known as the woman whose sister murdered the mom, you're
• 27:45
  Speaker 2: forever going to live with that scandal. But if you're
• 27:47
  Speaker 2: the woman whose mom never was found, then everybody can
• 27:50
  Speaker 2: watch you come back to the Today Show in your
• 27:52
  Speaker 2: bright yellow dress. and joy cometh in the morning. You know,
• 27:55
  Speaker 2: joy is your protest. Like, you get to then just
• 27:57
  Speaker 2: be the lady who lost her mom rather than the
• 28:01
  Speaker 2: lady whose sister killed the mom.
• 28:02
  Speaker 5: Yeah, and when you think about, and when you think about,
• 28:03
  Speaker 5: because she's so aware of these cases, I think about it, too.
• 28:07
  Speaker 5: I was, like, watching, you know, these crime documentaries and things,
• 28:11
  Speaker 5: and I'm like, people don't realize that every time there's
• 28:14
  Speaker 5: an appeal, every time, like, then the poor victims, the
• 28:17
  Speaker 5: victims of the family have to go to the court,
• 28:19
  Speaker 5: have to live through it again, have to go through it.
• 28:21
  Speaker 2: So it's always like, oh, you know.
• 28:24
  Speaker 5: They were just about to catch the guy and he
• 28:26
  Speaker 5: ran into the woods and killed himself.
• 28:27
  Speaker 2: Thank God.
• 28:28
  Speaker 5: Thank God we don't have to live through a trial
• 28:31
  Speaker 5: in this. You know, it's because it's just, and then,
• 28:34
  Speaker 5: you know, and then people write about you and then
• 28:35
  Speaker 5: people talk about you and forever and they do movies
• 28:38
  Speaker 5: about it. And you don't like the person that played you.
• 28:41
  Speaker 5: And like, it does, it's like when you're, and people
• 28:45
  Speaker 5: don't realize like, you know, there's always, you always think of,
• 28:48
  Speaker 5: The mother or the child of a victim.
• 28:50
  Speaker 2: People don't think about the sibling.
• 28:52
  Speaker 5: The person that had to live through it and it
• 28:57
  Speaker 5: changed the trajectory of their life because someone close to
• 28:59
  Speaker 5: them was a victim. Yeah, very juicy. Very juicy because
• 29:04
  Speaker 5: we don't know. And that's why it is interesting. And
• 29:07
  Speaker 5: all these factors are something that we can never... There's
• 29:11
  Speaker 5: never been something like this before where a regular.
• 29:16
  Speaker 5: You know, one of the most famous faces in the
• 29:18
  Speaker 5: world because she does a national morning show. Not her child,
• 29:23
  Speaker 5: but her mother, you know, it's like the Lindbergh baby
• 29:26
  Speaker 5: from a long time ago.
• 29:27
  Speaker 6: Like these things are, yeah.
• 29:29
  Speaker 5: And, and Jean Monnet wasn't, they weren't famous, but they,
• 29:34
  Speaker 5: because she did the pageants because of all that. And
• 29:37
  Speaker 5: then what happens is they know that these magazines any
• 29:40
  Speaker 5: time for the last 30 years, well, there's some weird
• 29:44
  Speaker 5: guy in prison who says that he shared a cell
• 29:46
  Speaker 5: with some guy who talked about Jean Monnet. Okay, at
• 29:50
  Speaker 5: least you're bored, you're out there, you know, all right,
• 29:53
  Speaker 5: I'll buy that magazine, backboard magazines, or I'll click on that.
• 29:56
  Speaker 5: So they know that there's certain stories that no matter
• 29:58
  Speaker 5: how many years go by.
• 29:59
  Speaker 2: OJ, whatever.
• 30:00
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 30:00
  Speaker 2: For 30 years.
• 30:02
  Speaker 6: Finally, the OJ articles have stopped because he's dead.
• 30:04
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 30:05
  Speaker 5: But like it literally anytime there was a slow period,
• 30:08
  Speaker 5: it was like the story would come up again or
• 30:10
  Speaker 5: a new movie would be done.
• 30:12
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 30:12
  Speaker 5: Because everyone's like, oh, I know that one. And it's juicy.
• 30:15
  Speaker 2: And that'll be this. It's just I don't think.
• 30:19
  Speaker 5: Well, I don't think it will be, though, because it's
• 30:21
  Speaker 5: it isn't a beautiful blonde with who is married to
• 30:24
  Speaker 5: a famous football player. who maybe was selling drugs or
• 30:27
  Speaker 5: had a lover. Like the whole OJ was so, you
• 30:31
  Speaker 5: know what I mean? It's like those factors. It wasn't
• 30:33
  Speaker 5: a beautiful little dog. So I kind of think, I
• 30:37
  Speaker 5: think this story is.
• 30:38
  Speaker 6: Going to die. And I think it's dead already. Like
• 30:41
  Speaker 6: it's dead.
• 30:41
  Speaker 2: The sheriff keeps telling us this could take years to solve,
• 30:44
  Speaker 2: but she's probably still alive out there, which makes no
• 30:47
  Speaker 2: fucking sense. And then you have Savannah who's just like
• 30:49
  Speaker 2: moving on. I mean, her sit down with Hoda gave
• 30:52
  Speaker 2: us absolutely nothing other than remember I'm sad. And so
• 30:55
  Speaker 2: that when I go back to the Today Show, don't
• 30:57
  Speaker 2: judge me. Like that was the whole premise of that.
• 30:59
  Speaker 2: I just want to go work. Three parts.
• 31:01
  Speaker 9: Yeah.
• 31:02
  Speaker 2: We did three parts over two days. They milked the
• 31:05
  Speaker 2: hell out of that interview and gave us absolutely nothing.
• 31:08
  Speaker 7: Nothing.
• 31:09
  Speaker 5: That's why there aren't any clips or anything, because there
• 31:11
  Speaker 5: was nothing to clip from it.
• 31:12
  Speaker 2: And even, you know, and Hoda was a tear. It
• 31:14
  Speaker 2: was a terrible interview from Hoda's end because she has
• 31:16
  Speaker 2: no fall, even easy follow ups. Like when Savannah's like,
• 31:19
  Speaker 2: we believe at least two of the ransom notes were real. OK, why?
• 31:23
  Speaker 2: What made you believe that two of them are real?
• 31:25
  Speaker 2: And also even the bigger fucking question is, why didn't
• 31:28
  Speaker 2: you pay them? The initial offering for the mom was $ 2, 500
• 31:33
  Speaker 2: before the FBI stepped in and then upped it to 50.
• 31:36
  Speaker 2: And then the FBI upped it to 100. And it took, what,
• 31:39
  Speaker 2: over a month before Savannah's like, you know what, okay,
• 31:41
  Speaker 2: I guess now I'll put in a million dollars and
• 31:43
  Speaker 2: go home to New York.
• 31:45
  Speaker 5: But didn't she also say, I did want to offer
• 31:47
  Speaker 5: a million like the first couple days and the And
• 31:49
  Speaker 5: the detectives or whatever said don't.
• 31:51
  Speaker 2: She hasn't said that, but that is the speculation, is
• 31:54
  Speaker 2: that it was likely the sheriff or the FBI that
• 31:58
  Speaker 2: encouraged her not to do that. But that's what we've seen.
• 32:01
  Speaker 2: I mean, the Ramsey's put that out there early on.
• 32:04
  Speaker 5: Every time there's a, you know, a kidnap ransom movie
• 32:07
  Speaker 5: type of thing, it's always like, go meet us at this,
• 32:11
  Speaker 5: you know, phone booth with a million dollars. And you're like, well,
• 32:14
  Speaker 5: if I do this. There's no, how do I, and then,
• 32:18
  Speaker 5: but if you call the police, we're going to kill
• 32:19
  Speaker 5: your kid. And you're always like, well, what do I do?
• 32:21
  Speaker 5: So it was always like, what do you do?
• 32:24
  Speaker 2: But the kidnapper is going to play it out on TMZ.
• 32:27
  Speaker 2: Like it just, it didn't make any, it didn't make
• 32:30
  Speaker 2: any sense. I mean, and also there was no search party.
• 32:36
  Speaker 2: There were no cadaver dogs. There was no family with
• 32:40
  Speaker 2: her face on the shirts going out, digging into the desert.
• 32:43
  Speaker 2: Like you traditionally see with high profile kidnappings. even to
• 32:48
  Speaker 2: this day, the sheriff is not even considering that this
• 32:50
  Speaker 2: could be a homicide. They still believe that there's this,
• 32:53
  Speaker 2: crazy old lady snatcher that just took her in the
• 32:56
  Speaker 2: middle of the night and poof, she disappeared. It's like,
• 32:59
  Speaker 2: you don't just lose a whole ass lady in 2026
• 33:03
  Speaker 2: with zero documentation, evidence, footage, GPS, anything. She had a
• 33:08
  Speaker 2: pacemaker that was connected to Bluetooth and poof, this lady disappeared.
• 33:13
  Speaker 2: Aliens had to have come and taken Nancy Guthrie at
• 33:15
  Speaker 2: this point. All we have are little drops of blood,
• 33:18
  Speaker 2: which also, mind you, the drops of blood There was
• 33:21
  Speaker 2: no splatter of blood. There was no footprint stepping the
• 33:24
  Speaker 2: blood in. It's just convenient little drops that are going
• 33:27
  Speaker 2: right out to the driveway. that Brian Enten was able
• 33:30
  Speaker 2: to come in in less than 48 hours to come
• 33:32
  Speaker 2: and film with his phone and post that on the internet.
• 33:34
  Speaker 2: I'm not accusing Brian of anything, but I'm just saying.
• 33:36
  Speaker 2: Who is Brian? Brian Enten. Oh, he's one of the
• 33:39
  Speaker 2: News Nation. He's the lead reporter that's kind of been
• 33:41
  Speaker 2: in Arizona covering this from the beginning. But the crazy
• 33:44
  Speaker 2: part is he was just able to, within the first
• 33:47
  Speaker 2: couple of days, walk right up to the crime scene
• 33:49
  Speaker 2: and film the blood on his phone. It's like, when
• 33:51
  Speaker 2: do you ever have blood in a crime scene that's
• 33:54
  Speaker 2: not closed off to the public? Like reporters are walking
• 33:57
  Speaker 2: up to her porch. It was just, yeah, the pool
• 33:59
  Speaker 2: guy in the first week going and cleaning her pool.
• 34:04
  Speaker 2: And it was so strange and so bizarre. Yeah, she's
• 34:06
  Speaker 2: going to have a pool party.
• 34:08
  Speaker 6: The whole thing was so weird.
• 34:09
  Speaker 5: And it's like, yeah, you wonder, like, is this just
• 34:14
  Speaker 5: the shoddest police work ever? Is it they actually do
• 34:18
  Speaker 5: have major scoop that they're keeping under wraps so that
• 34:22
  Speaker 5: they actually have a case? So they're acting like we're
• 34:25
  Speaker 5: not looking at the brother-in-law?
• 34:27
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 34:28
  Speaker 5: Because, I mean, that happens a lot when, like, a
• 34:29
  Speaker 5: husband kills a wife. They act like everything's fine. And
• 34:32
  Speaker 5: it can be, like, two years later. And they were looking,
• 34:37
  Speaker 5: you know, so it's like, but they make the person relax.
• 34:41
  Speaker 8: Yeah.
• 34:41
  Speaker 5: They don't even call them anymore for interviews. They're just like,
• 34:45
  Speaker 5: we're getting our ducks in a row.
• 34:47
  Speaker 2: So we'll see. We'll see.
• 34:49
  Speaker 5: Maybe we'll never hear it about again, or maybe we will.
• 34:53
  Speaker 2: That's the only thing I'm thinking that.
• 34:54
  Speaker 5: Yeah, everyone's criticizing our stupid county, but we actually just,
• 34:59
  Speaker 5: you wait.
• 35:00
  Speaker 2: You know, like. I'm hoping. Bring the lady home.
• 35:03
  Speaker 5: So, Summer House, which is the hottest show to be
• 35:09
  Speaker 5: talked about since Vanderpump Scandival. This is where these kids
• 35:15
  Speaker 5: all go in the summer. They rent a house that's
• 35:17
  Speaker 5: been going on for 10 years. And many of them
• 35:20
  Speaker 5: date each other. They have these parties and they go
• 35:22
  Speaker 5: every weekend in the summer. And Kyle and Amanda met
• 35:26
  Speaker 5: on the show. They got married. Every summer they fight.
• 35:29
  Speaker 5: They don't have kids. And, you know, some people have
• 35:33
  Speaker 5: been on a little while. Other people come in. And
• 35:36
  Speaker 5: then a couple years ago, this guy named West came in.
• 35:40
  Speaker 5: Some people call him Wes. That's the biggest controversy. Some
• 35:42
  Speaker 5: people say, is his name Wes or West? He comes in,
• 35:46
  Speaker 5: not my type.
• 35:47
  Speaker 2: He's kind of cute. But he's kind of funny.
• 35:50
  Speaker 5: And so he's a good reality show person. And then
• 35:53
  Speaker 5: this beautiful girl, Sierra, comes in. She's black and gorgeous
• 35:57
  Speaker 5: and just one of the most attractive people. And they
• 36:01
  Speaker 5: have a flirty situation on and off this summer. Amanda
• 36:06
  Speaker 5: and Kyle, Kyle creates this liquor company called Loverboy, which
• 36:10
  Speaker 5: is like seltzer drinks. And he's like, you need to
• 36:13
  Speaker 5: help me more. And she's like, I hate working, but
• 36:15
  Speaker 5: I have a good body. I want to have bikinis.
• 36:17
  Speaker 5: And then he's just like, you don't support me. And
• 36:19
  Speaker 5: then he's like, you want to be a bikini designer? Well,
• 36:22
  Speaker 5: I want to be a DJ. And then she's like, what?
• 36:24
  Speaker 5: And then he becomes a DJ, which he was good.
• 36:27
  Speaker 5: We saw him at the show after BravoCon. I had
• 36:30
  Speaker 5: a good fucking time with him and he was very
• 36:31
  Speaker 5: nice afterwards and he DM'd me and he said, thank
• 36:34
  Speaker 5: you for your support. You had a good time and blah, blah, blah.
• 36:38
  Speaker 5: Everyone's like, I can't believe he's a DJ. He needs
• 36:40
  Speaker 5: to be staying home with his wife and being a
• 36:42
  Speaker 5: better husband. He shouldn't be at nightclubs. Thank God he
• 36:45
  Speaker 5: became a DJ because then Amanda was fucking West.
• 36:50
  Speaker 6: And they're going to get divorced.
• 36:52
  Speaker 5: And so thank God he has a DJ company because
• 36:54
  Speaker 5: the lover boy company is suffering financially. And then some people,
• 37:01
  Speaker 5: you know, then there's more speculation where people were too
• 37:04
  Speaker 5: harsh on Amanda that she's walking around the Hamptons with
• 37:07
  Speaker 5: a scarlet letter A, not for Amanda, but adultery. And then,
• 37:11
  Speaker 5: you know, Sierra was such a good friend to her.
• 37:15
  Speaker 5: And when she knows that Sierra was still pining for
• 37:17
  Speaker 5: her ex West, And then West, did he deceive his
• 37:21
  Speaker 5: friend Kyle? And why, you know, so what are your thoughts?
• 37:25
  Speaker 5: And then we'll get into some more elements. Is this
• 37:29
  Speaker 5: a Scandaval or no?
• 37:30
  Speaker 2: It's not the level of Scandaval. And it's certainly not
• 37:33
  Speaker 2: like these players aren't important enough. Like we watched Vanderpump
• 37:36
  Speaker 2: Rules for 10 years and like Vanderpump Rules had Lisa
• 37:40
  Speaker 2: Vanderpump attached to it. It had Real Housewives of Beverly
• 37:42
  Speaker 2: Hills attached to it. So it had this cultural element.
• 37:44
  Speaker 2: pop culture relevance that I don't think summer house has
• 37:47
  Speaker 2: ever peaked. Um, and even though like, yeah, Sierra is
• 37:50
  Speaker 2: a pretty girl, but I don't think she's, she was
• 37:52
  Speaker 2: on the traders season three and nobody remembers that. Like
• 37:54
  Speaker 2: she's been very forgettable when it comes to anything outside
• 37:58
  Speaker 2: of summer house. I think that this was like a
• 38:00
  Speaker 2: Lindsay Hubbard or a page to Sorbo who are, I
• 38:03
  Speaker 2: think the breakout stars of the show, or I mean,
• 38:06
  Speaker 2: Kyle cook, I guess Kyle is the star of the show. Um,
• 38:10
  Speaker 2: but yeah, I think Sierra just, you know, she wasn't
• 38:13
  Speaker 2: the star. And Amanda's also not that interesting. And West
• 38:17
  Speaker 2: is so new to the franchise that he's not that interesting.
• 38:20
  Speaker 5: No, I mean, West is just a typical, he's a
• 38:23
  Speaker 5: triple star. a triple thirst bucket.
• 38:27
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 38:27
  Speaker 5: He wants to be, he wanted to be a reality star.
• 38:31
  Speaker 5: And so he was, he is a player. He flirts
• 38:34
  Speaker 5: with women. You know, he's flirted with other women in
• 38:39
  Speaker 5: the Bravo world that I know for a fact. In
• 38:42
  Speaker 5: which he, like, was writing them saying, like, we could
• 38:46
  Speaker 5: have a PR moment, like, when a younger person goes
• 38:51
  Speaker 5: for an older Real Housewife.
• 38:53
  Speaker 2: Let's go.
• 38:53
  Speaker 5: So, yeah, let's fuck. But also, like, we could also
• 38:57
  Speaker 5: play this out. So he's very publicity hungry. And he's
• 39:01
  Speaker 5: a player. And he's been DMing other women.
• 39:04
  Speaker 2: So she.
• 39:05
  Speaker 5: left who everyone thought was a an annoying child Kyle
• 39:09
  Speaker 5: to be with the one you know she's just that
• 39:12
  Speaker 5: girl that a guy shows interest in he's a love
• 39:15
  Speaker 5: bomber and she went for it and people were speculating
• 39:18
  Speaker 5: if this was true and then they came out with
• 39:20
  Speaker 5: a statement it is wild and everybody was like oh
• 39:23
  Speaker 5: my god and then Sierra there was something being that
• 39:27
  Speaker 5: she is a black woman some people felt that this
• 39:32
  Speaker 5: made it extra bad because sometimes white guys just want
• 39:35
  Speaker 5: to experience a beautiful black woman. I think it was
• 39:39
  Speaker 5: a typical fling in which.
• 39:43
  Speaker 2: He was a player.
• 39:45
  Speaker 5: She wanted more. He's just a fuck boy. I don't
• 39:48
  Speaker 5: think that meant anything. But as her friend and Sierra
• 39:53
  Speaker 5: was such a good friend to Amanda when Amanda's crying
• 39:55
  Speaker 5: every day about being with Kyle and not knowing if
• 39:59
  Speaker 5: she's going to owe $ 2 million and love her boy
• 40:01
  Speaker 5: or not because they don't have a prenup and they
• 40:02
  Speaker 5: kind of want to get divorced and everyone's tired of
• 40:04
  Speaker 5: hearing them fight. That's where it was like, it was deceptive.
• 40:09
  Speaker 7: Yes.
• 40:09
  Speaker 2: I think the deception is Amanda and Sierra. I mean,
• 40:12
  Speaker 2: but People are really putting a lot of pressure on
• 40:15
  Speaker 2: this relationship between Sierra and West. Sierra and West dated
• 40:19
  Speaker 2: for a summer in 2023. It's been three years. Yeah.
• 40:24
  Speaker 2: And they dated for a little bit. And since then,
• 40:27
  Speaker 2: we have seen West be abhorrent and, you know, be
• 40:30
  Speaker 2: a whore and sleep with all these women. And he's
• 40:33
  Speaker 2: a douchebag player. He's not the prize that either of
• 40:35
  Speaker 2: them should be fighting over. But I do agree. I
• 40:38
  Speaker 2: think Amanda's betrayal of Sierra is the worst part of
• 40:41
  Speaker 2: it all. But I also think Amanda's been in a
• 40:45
  Speaker 2: loveless marriage for a long time where she's never been
• 40:48
  Speaker 2: emotionally fulfilled. Call Alison Dubois. He'll never emotionally fulfill you.
• 40:51
  Speaker 2: And Kyle never did. And so now she's technically single.
• 40:55
  Speaker 2: And West is also single, even though he was still
• 40:57
  Speaker 2: kind of keeping Sierra on the burner. They were, you know,
• 41:01
  Speaker 2: Sierra hated him after they dated. And then she blasted
• 41:04
  Speaker 2: him at the, I think, season eight reunion. And they
• 41:06
  Speaker 2: weren't friends throughout season nine. And then season 10 comes
• 41:09
  Speaker 2: in and now she's kind of giving him a second chance. And,
• 41:12
  Speaker 2: you know, and he's not committing to her because he's
• 41:14
  Speaker 2: not the commitment type of guy. And I think Amanda
• 41:18
  Speaker 2: got I think he likes to go after the girls
• 41:19
  Speaker 2: that are unavailable. Amanda was unavailable because she was married
• 41:22
  Speaker 2: to Kyle. And that's where we see her and Wes
• 41:25
  Speaker 2: be kind of flirty and have this really flirty relationship
• 41:28
  Speaker 2: throughout season 10. And then now Amanda's out of her
• 41:31
  Speaker 2: relationship is looking for some sort of emotional connection, which
• 41:35
  Speaker 2: I think Wes being a love bomber was giving her.
• 41:38
  Speaker 2: And he also knew like, I probably shouldn't go for
• 41:41
  Speaker 2: her because She's, you know, she's friends and she just
• 41:44
  Speaker 2: came from my friend Kyle's marriage and like now she's
• 41:47
  Speaker 2: technically single. So I think it was just forbidden fruit.
• 41:50
  Speaker 2: They fell, they fell for each other and it's more
• 41:52
  Speaker 2: infatuation than anything. And now they have to commit because
• 41:55
  Speaker 2: they blew everything up.
• 41:56
  Speaker 5: And then the lemonade of it is that they have
• 42:00
  Speaker 5: this spinoff called The City and Kyle, who now was
• 42:04
  Speaker 5: always the villain. Everyone hated him. Now women are feeling
• 42:08
  Speaker 5: sorry for him. They're saying, how can we support Loverboy,
• 42:11
  Speaker 5: your alcohol can company? What can we do? Can I
• 42:15
  Speaker 5: have it at my baby shower? Can we support the
• 42:18
  Speaker 5: scorned woman of Kyle? I saw somebody did a little...
• 42:24
  Speaker 5: funny Photoshop of him being the next Roxy Hart in Chicago.
• 42:30
  Speaker 6: And I thought that was brilliant.
• 42:32
  Speaker 2: I'm sorry. Whosever joke it was, it's not mine. I
• 42:34
  Speaker 2: thought it was really funny. Anyway, it's good.
• 42:38
  Speaker 5: I'm glad that you are a DJ making 20,000 a year.
• 42:41
  Speaker 5: Lover boy might make it or not. And now everyone's
• 42:45
  Speaker 5: going to watch your spinoff.
• 42:46
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 42:47
  Speaker 6: And you guys had a horrible marriage anyway.
• 42:49
  Speaker 2: He doesn't even seem... that mad about it.
• 42:52
  Speaker 5: I think he's like, well, you know, and then they
• 42:55
  Speaker 5: go meet, um, to walk the dogs and the, this
• 42:59
  Speaker 5: is the, uh, 30 AF club put this together and
• 43:05
  Speaker 5: Amanda's wearing his, uh, hat that Wes used to wear
• 43:08
  Speaker 5: a shirt that Wes has the same headphones. She's got
• 43:13
  Speaker 5: all his clothes on to go meet Kyle to walk
• 43:15
  Speaker 5: the dogs. And he's telling, you know, reporters like, leave
• 43:20
  Speaker 5: her alone.
• 43:21
  Speaker 6: You know, she's mentally, she has mental health issues.
• 43:25
  Speaker 5: You cannot be on a reality show if you can't
• 43:28
  Speaker 5: take the mean bitches on the internet and, you know, learn.
• 43:31
  Speaker 2: From Blake Lively. Learn from Blake Lively.
• 43:34
  Speaker 5: He's like, But now you've been on the show for
• 43:36
  Speaker 5: 10 years. What else are you going to do? Get
• 43:38
  Speaker 5: a job at, you know, Neiman Marcus, which is closing.
• 43:41
  Speaker 6: What are you going to do? So I get it.
• 43:43
  Speaker 2: Stay on the show. Who knows, though?
• 43:46
  Speaker 5: Sometimes, listen, sometimes affairs happen or whatever where someone.
• 43:52
  Speaker 6: Very close to you.
• 43:53
  Speaker 5: This is why in the Bible it says thou shall
• 43:56
  Speaker 5: not covet. covet thy neighbor's wife. It's oftentimes someone, you know,
• 44:01
  Speaker 5: that's in your circle that, you know, you're going to
• 44:04
  Speaker 5: swing with that. You're going to do whatever that lives
• 44:06
  Speaker 5: next door. That's the, the mom that you acted like
• 44:09
  Speaker 5: your best friends with. I'm always fascinated by the woman
• 44:12
  Speaker 5: who goes after her best friends, dude.
• 44:16
  Speaker 6: That's why we were fascinated by Scandival.
• 44:18
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 44:19
  Speaker 5: And she's, you know, and Sierra had shown us being
• 44:23
  Speaker 5: such a good friend. Now, the other thing that came
• 44:25
  Speaker 5: up is, um, Wait, hold on. Let me just, okay.
• 44:29
  Speaker 5: So first of all, I want to ask about these parties.
• 44:31
  Speaker 5: So they always have these parties every weekend and it's
• 44:34
  Speaker 5: always a theme. And this one was let's be old
• 44:37
  Speaker 5: people or whatever theme, but they had like prosthetics and
• 44:41
  Speaker 5: all that stuff.
• 44:41
  Speaker 2: So clearly, right.
• 44:42
  Speaker 6: The producers have to come in and give them all
• 44:44
  Speaker 6: this costume.
• 44:45
  Speaker 5: I mean, it was like, it was like complete makeup
• 44:48
  Speaker 5: and awful theme for a party.
• 44:51
  Speaker 2: Yeah. I think it was somebody's birthday, and so they're like, oh,
• 44:54
  Speaker 2: you're getting old, so let's all dress.
• 44:55
  Speaker 8: Up as old people.
• 44:56
  Speaker 5: But then everybody else at the party, nobody dressed up
• 44:58
  Speaker 5: as old. So it's just the stars of it doing
• 45:02
  Speaker 5: the walkers and the tits.
• 45:03
  Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean, I get it.
• 45:06
  Speaker 5: Vanderpump started to do everything was a theme. Let's be
• 45:08
  Speaker 5: in drag and whatever. It was just lame. Okay, so then,
• 45:13
  Speaker 5: and Carl is looking older, but he launched his non-alcoholic, restaurant, drink.
• 45:21
  Speaker 6: Place, and maybe it'll do okay.
• 45:23
  Speaker 2: Maybe it'll do okay. But I wanted to wait.
• 45:25
  Speaker 6: I wanted to say that this was interesting.
• 45:27
  Speaker 5: So then this girl, Toronto Pop Zone, people think that
• 45:33
  Speaker 5: it was interesting when Paige was dating Craig, and she
• 45:37
  Speaker 5: was on the show, and Craig and Amanda were very huggy,
• 45:41
  Speaker 5: very supportive, and at one moment someone also caught an
• 45:45
  Speaker 5: old episode where Paige is sitting across from Craig her
• 45:50
  Speaker 5: boyfriend and Amanda is sitting next to Craig at a
• 45:54
  Speaker 5: dinner and they're holding hands I have never in my
• 45:58
  Speaker 5: life hugged a man like this that's not my husband
• 46:01
  Speaker 5: or son or gay best friend or whatever I have
• 46:06
  Speaker 5: never hugged someone else's man like that or or held
• 46:09
  Speaker 5: another man's hand like that in my life.
• 46:13
  Speaker 2: Dorit hugged Mauricio after her burglary right she kissed his
• 46:17
  Speaker 2: his His head, right? No, his like shoulder or something.
• 46:22
  Speaker 2: So it's weird. I think Amanda is just that kind
• 46:25
  Speaker 2: of girl that is very like she doesn't know boundaries
• 46:29
  Speaker 2: with guys. And she just doesn't realize.
• 46:32
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 46:32
  Speaker 5: She's the girl that gets does the piggyback ride.
• 46:35
  Speaker 2: Oh, you're carrying me on your shoulder. He's like my brother.
• 46:39
  Speaker 5: Shut up.
• 46:41
  Speaker 2: Well, then you're a brother fucker.
• 46:42
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 46:43
  Speaker 2: That was from Simple Favor.
• 46:45
  Speaker 6: That was such a good– that was so good.
• 46:48
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 46:50
  Speaker 5: This guy came across, Kurt Walker, and I loved this
• 46:54
  Speaker 5: little video he did. He said, I have some scoop
• 46:58
  Speaker 5: on West. He didn't say scoop, but it's okay if
• 47:01
  Speaker 5: you did. I want to tell you about it. And
• 47:03
  Speaker 5: I do think this says anything. It says something about
• 47:07
  Speaker 5: a person. And when I tell you, I think everyone
• 47:10
  Speaker 5: will agree. that this says a lot. He said they
• 47:15
  Speaker 5: were at the summer house party at the house.
• 47:17
  Speaker 2: He goes, which are not fun and lame. And I
• 47:19
  Speaker 2: think we can tell.
• 47:21
  Speaker 5: And the party ended and a couple of them, including
• 47:25
  Speaker 5: West said, yeah, we want to go out with you
• 47:27
  Speaker 5: guys at the local bar. So lucky for him, I
• 47:31
  Speaker 5: can imagine how hard it is. He got the table.
• 47:33
  Speaker 5: He knew somebody that had, they got on the VIP
• 47:35
  Speaker 5: table behind the DJ booth and they give them wristbands
• 47:39
  Speaker 5: and And everybody, when you go to stagecoach or, you know,
• 47:43
  Speaker 5: anything like that, or Coachella coming up this weekend, everyone
• 47:46
  Speaker 5: knows not to do it super tight in case you
• 47:50
  Speaker 5: want to skip out on the third day, whatever. They
• 47:53
  Speaker 5: make it really, really hard. You have to have a
• 47:56
  Speaker 5: very tiny rest or whatever. But this was just, he
• 47:59
  Speaker 5: gives them the wristband and is like, don't tighten it
• 48:02
  Speaker 5: so that, you know, we can go back and forth
• 48:05
  Speaker 5: or bring someone into the thing. He said he gave
• 48:08
  Speaker 5: it to Wes. who immediately tightened the shit out of
• 48:12
  Speaker 5: it on his own wrist.
• 48:13
  Speaker 2: Of course.
• 48:15
  Speaker 6: And I think that says everything.
• 48:16
  Speaker 5: Yeah. It wasn't your night. You didn't get the table.
• 48:20
  Speaker 5: You didn't buy the wristbands. But you're so entitled because
• 48:24
  Speaker 5: you're this big star that you think that you're allowed
• 48:29
  Speaker 5: to do that. And so then this cat couldn't leave
• 48:32
  Speaker 5: the booth, couldn't get a piss, couldn't go say hi
• 48:35
  Speaker 5: to a friend. And he was the one that hooked
• 48:37
  Speaker 5: up the whole fucking thing. So I think that says
• 48:39
  Speaker 5: it all.
• 48:40
  Speaker 2: And West is that guy, you know, he's not. And
• 48:43
  Speaker 2: he also like, you know, he I think he knows
• 48:46
  Speaker 2: how to pander to the Bravo audience. He knows how
• 48:49
  Speaker 2: to say like when before all this scandal, like the
• 48:53
  Speaker 2: girls did like him because of his personality or he
• 48:55
  Speaker 2: was funny. And I just always saw him as a
• 48:57
  Speaker 2: hack and he just always knew what to say and
• 49:00
  Speaker 2: like how to, you know, get them to like him,
• 49:02
  Speaker 2: which to me just always came across very disingenuous. But
• 49:05
  Speaker 2: I mean, he is cute. I think he's a cutie.
• 49:08
  Speaker 2: I like his little belly. All right. Good for you.
• 49:10
  Speaker 2: I also love Austin Kroll. I love all the bad ones. Yeah.
• 49:15
  Speaker 2: He's fun. Madison! That was my favorite era of summer.
• 49:20
  Speaker 2: of Southern Charm. Real House of the Beverly Hills.
• 49:24
  Speaker 5: Okay, so they're in Italy and it comes down to Dorit,
• 49:28
  Speaker 5: which by the way, I've noticed she does this thing
• 49:30
  Speaker 5: that's kind of annoying where she's always like, she's always like,
• 49:35
  Speaker 5: whenever she's talking, she's like, well, I'll tell you. Like,
• 49:39
  Speaker 5: it was, like, she's always, like, parched a little bit
• 49:43
  Speaker 5: and trying to get it out. And she's always like,
• 49:46
  Speaker 5: why is it that Kyle was so determined to make
• 49:51
  Speaker 5: everyone realize that I was an issue and let me
• 49:54
  Speaker 5: know that everybody is against me?
• 49:56
  Speaker 2: That is what Kyle did. And to me, that is inexcusable.
• 50:01
  Speaker 5: And then for Erica to get so upset because Bose has.
• 50:06
  Speaker 2: Like, I don't know.
• 50:06
  Speaker 3: So.
• 50:08
  Speaker 5: Everyone is like, bitch, you've been late a lot. And
• 50:10
  Speaker 5: it's been really fucking annoying. And then she's like, I'm
• 50:13
  Speaker 5: going through a very hard time, Erica. And Erica's like,
• 50:15
  Speaker 5: so have I.
• 50:16
  Speaker 1: Why?
• 50:17
  Speaker 6: What's been going on with you?
• 50:18
  Speaker 2: What's been going on with me?
• 50:21
  Speaker 5: I still live at a rental. I am still being
• 50:24
  Speaker 5: sued for like a billion dollars. My husband... Is in prison.
• 50:29
  Speaker 5: Screwed everybody over, including me. And it is in prisons
• 50:32
  Speaker 5: with Alzheimer's.
• 50:34
  Speaker 2: I don't know. Like, I don't know. Like, it was...
• 50:36
  Speaker 2: When she said that, I was like, oh, my God.
• 50:40
  Speaker 5: Well, you don't talk about it, Erica. Don't talk about it.
• 50:43
  Speaker 5: Because I had to talk about it for the last
• 50:46
  Speaker 5: three years. But you can still check in with me.
• 50:48
  Speaker 5: You don't think it's fucking stressful? Yeah.
• 50:50
  Speaker 2: Like, oh, my God.
• 50:51
  Speaker 6: And so then she.
• 50:54
  Speaker 6: They've just had it with.
• 50:55
  Speaker 5: Her and she is a smoker and she's been smoking
• 50:59
  Speaker 5: the whole time she's been on. And that's another thing
• 51:02
  Speaker 5: that they couldn't reveal. But now that smoking's in, they can.
• 51:06
  Speaker 5: But that lots of times she'd be off, not checking
• 51:09
  Speaker 5: on her kids, but having a cigarette break.
• 51:11
  Speaker 6: And I remember that back in.
• 51:12
  Speaker 5: The old days of working at Robinson's May that I thought, wow,
• 51:17
  Speaker 5: the smokers get to leave the building. They get to
• 51:20
  Speaker 5: leave the building and have a break. And I was like,
• 51:23
  Speaker 5: at one point, do I develop smoking? Do I say
• 51:27
  Speaker 5: I have an elderly mother that I have to get
• 51:29
  Speaker 5: home to because I don't have a kid? Like when
• 51:31
  Speaker 5: I was single as a non-smoker, you got no fucking
• 51:35
  Speaker 5: breaks at a regular job.
• 51:36
  Speaker 6: And I've said it over and over again. This is
• 51:38
  Speaker 6: a job.
• 51:39
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 51:39
  Speaker 5: And the longer they're on it, the more they're like,
• 51:42
  Speaker 5: I was at that boring fucking dinner. For four hours
• 51:45
  Speaker 5: and 32 minutes. And you left at three hours and
• 51:48
  Speaker 5: 51 minutes. Therefore, I'm fucking mad. Why couldn't I be
• 51:52
  Speaker 5: in my bed scrolling TikTok 40 minutes earlier? This is
• 51:56
  Speaker 5: why these shows.
• 51:57
  Speaker 2: Do need to be. And they had to go to
• 51:59
  Speaker 2: all the homeless, not toothless dinners.
• 52:02
  Speaker 6: Yeah, all that stuff.
• 52:03
  Speaker 2: They did all that for Dorit. They did all those.
• 52:05
  Speaker 5: Things for Dorit. And, you know, so that's her deal.
• 52:11
  Speaker 2: What do you think? I enjoyed Erica laying into Dorit. Oh, loved.
• 52:16
  Speaker 2: It was because I think there's just like, it was
• 52:19
  Speaker 2: a fatigue that I think the audience has felt of
• 52:21
  Speaker 2: being like Dorit, like we get it. You're going through
• 52:24
  Speaker 2: a hard time, but also like Kyle's going through a divorce.
• 52:27
  Speaker 2: Rachel Zoe's going through a divorce. Bose is having fertility issues.
• 52:31
  Speaker 2: Sutton's going through this identity crisis where her kids are
• 52:33
  Speaker 2: growing up and she's wanting to change her name. The
• 52:36
  Speaker 2: Catholic annulment. And her friend's dating him.
• 52:38
  Speaker 5: Her old friend might marry her husband in the Catholic church.
• 52:41
  Speaker 2: I wish we were able to. I know that like
• 52:43
  Speaker 2: legally she has trouble getting into that type of stuff
• 52:46
  Speaker 2: because of her ex. Yeah, that's so interesting. That's still
• 52:48
  Speaker 2: so much that she's like everybody's going through something. But
• 52:51
  Speaker 2: Dorit just sucks up all of the oxygen. in the room.
• 52:54
  Speaker 2: And then when we had him watch.
• 52:55
  Speaker 5: And then why should we feel sorry for you that
• 52:57
  Speaker 5: PK wasn't paying your bills? And then you go buy
• 53:00
  Speaker 5: four Gucci bags.
• 53:01
  Speaker 9: Yeah.
• 53:01
  Speaker 6: Which, come on.
• 53:03
  Speaker 2: Like, You don't need four Gucci bags. You don't need
• 53:05
  Speaker 2: the Kelly.
• 53:06
  Speaker 5: I wasn't like, this was the one thing they make
• 53:07
  Speaker 5: in Italy and I've been wanting it my whole life
• 53:10
  Speaker 5: and it's going to go up in value. So yes,
• 53:12
  Speaker 5: I did spend $ 30, 000 on this thing because I see
• 53:15
  Speaker 5: it as a little bit of a nest egg. No,
• 53:17
  Speaker 5: it was just like, no, I'm going to show you
• 53:19
  Speaker 5: that I can buy four Gucci bags.
• 53:21
  Speaker 6: And I was just like, ew.
• 53:22
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 53:23
  Speaker 2: I don't want to hear you bitch about your money.
• 53:25
  Speaker 5: It's like when you lend somebody money and then they're like,
• 53:27
  Speaker 5: I'm going to actually, could you add lobster to that Caesar?
• 53:30
  Speaker 2: And you're like, Yeah.
• 53:31
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 53:32
  Speaker 2: I thought you were broke.
• 53:32
  Speaker 9: Yeah.
• 53:33
  Speaker 5: Cause I'm just having the regular Caesar.
• 53:35
  Speaker 2: So like, why? Anyway, it was, it's frustrating.
• 53:39
  Speaker 5: And I like, yeah, I, I think that, and then
• 53:43
  Speaker 5: when Andy brought up, like when she was on what
• 53:45
  Speaker 5: comes live about the being late, being late on the plane, um, it's,
• 53:51
  Speaker 5: you are never late. I'm not a late person. I
• 53:55
  Speaker 5: believe there's three types of people in this earth.
• 53:57
  Speaker 7: Okay.
• 53:58
  Speaker 5: There's the people who are 10 minutes early or always
• 54:01
  Speaker 5: on time. There's the people that are always 15 minutes late.
• 54:06
  Speaker 5: And then there are the people that are an hour
• 54:08
  Speaker 5: plus late who never feel bad about it.
• 54:11
  Speaker 8: No.
• 54:11
  Speaker 2: Who don't.
• 54:12
  Speaker 5: It's like, I'm here. It's such, it's the most arrogant thing.
• 54:18
  Speaker 5: And the fact that she left them on the plane,
• 54:20
  Speaker 5: walked in and was like, where do I sit? I mean,
• 54:23
  Speaker 5: if that was me and I found myself in that
• 54:26
  Speaker 5: position and it was something related to my kids i
• 54:28
  Speaker 5: would be bawling i would be like i'm a piece
• 54:32
  Speaker 5: of shit i cannot believe i made you guys wait
• 54:34
  Speaker 5: i'm fucking a shell of my human self like i
• 54:37
  Speaker 5: i tried to tell the producers they told me to
• 54:39
  Speaker 5: wait like i would have just said it all i
• 54:41
  Speaker 5: would have been like i can't imagine her just being
• 54:44
  Speaker 5: like well no now i do feel badly now.
• 54:48
  Speaker 2: You feel badly it's a fucking job it's a job
• 54:52
  Speaker 2: yeah even her apology, again, a job that she needs.
• 54:55
  Speaker 7: Right.
• 54:56
  Speaker 2: She needs the job because PK's not paying rent. And also, now,
• 55:00
  Speaker 2: not that I'm Team PK, but not that I'm not
• 55:02
  Speaker 2: Team PK, but I understand him not paying rent on
• 55:06
  Speaker 2: the house because he's like, you just got your book.
• 55:10
  Speaker 2: Her thing is like, well, the arrangement was you were
• 55:12
  Speaker 2: supposed to always pay for the house and you were
• 55:14
  Speaker 2: supposed to always pay for the bills. And after a
• 55:16
  Speaker 2: while of her just draining all of the money, I
• 55:19
  Speaker 2: would be- Well, also, and no matter how good a
• 55:22
  Speaker 2: divorce is and how rich you are.
• 55:24
  Speaker 5: The spending that you had when you were in love,
• 55:27
  Speaker 5: if that's your transactional marriage that you can shop and he,
• 55:31
  Speaker 5: you know, love you, I want this.
• 55:34
  Speaker 6: That's going to change. No one's fucking.
• 55:36
  Speaker 5: They're all living together. He's in an apartment. If you're
• 55:39
  Speaker 5: going to keep the house, like curtail the glam. Curtail
• 55:43
  Speaker 5: the shopping.
• 55:44
  Speaker 2: Look, I get it. I get it.
• 55:49
  Speaker 6: Mauricio is in this family drama.
• 55:53
  Speaker 5: His father, who I guess he and his mother, the
• 55:57
  Speaker 5: father and the mother divorced a long time ago. He's
• 55:59
  Speaker 5: had this girlfriend, the father, for 18 years.
• 56:02
  Speaker 2: 18 years.
• 56:05
  Speaker 5: And my understanding is they, he and his sister, are
• 56:09
  Speaker 5: now suing this girlfriend of 18 years for, you know,
• 56:14
  Speaker 5: like they don't think she's taking care of the elderly
• 56:17
  Speaker 5: father who has Alzheimer's well enough.
• 56:19
  Speaker 6: And they're suing her for.
• 56:21
  Speaker 5: $ 400, 000, which were gifts over the years that the father
• 56:24
  Speaker 5: gave her and also that she spent the money on
• 56:27
  Speaker 5: a facelift. I don't have all the details, okay?
• 56:33
  Speaker 6: I'm telling you what I think. Fuck you if I
• 56:37
  Speaker 6: was the girlfriend.
• 56:38
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Fuck you. 18 years is not 18 months. No.
• 56:39
  Speaker 2: 18 years is significant.
• 56:44
  Speaker 6: You're going after $ 400, 000. I would hope that if someone... You're.
• 56:48
  Speaker 5: Going after some fucking jewels that he gave her and
• 56:51
  Speaker 5: that she got a facelift. Most women in Beverly Hills
• 56:55
  Speaker 5: get a facelift after a certain age. Your own wife
• 56:57
  Speaker 5: has gotten one. So has your sister-in-law. Your daughters have
• 57:00
  Speaker 5: had work done.
• 57:02
  Speaker 6: What does it matter?
• 57:03
  Speaker 5: So the woman that took care of your dad for
• 57:06
  Speaker 5: 18 years.
• 57:08
  Speaker 5: And if he has Alzheimer's or whatever... Oh, it's not
• 57:11
  Speaker 5: up to the... So now... She's not a good enough character.
• 57:14
  Speaker 5: You go visit your dad who doesn't know who I
• 57:17
  Speaker 5: am anymore.
• 57:17
  Speaker 2: Yeah. She took care of him for 18 years. I'm
• 57:21
  Speaker 2: sure he wasn't in pristine health 18 years ago. I'm
• 57:23
  Speaker 2: sure he's slowly been deteriorating.
• 57:25
  Speaker 5: And if they were never married, guess what?
• 57:28
  Speaker 2: Asshole, that's why you marry the girlfriend.
• 57:31
  Speaker 5: Because one day you might need her to actually really
• 57:35
  Speaker 5: take care of you. If you don't marry her, she's
• 57:38
  Speaker 5: free to go.
• 57:39
  Speaker 2: She's free to say, hey.
• 57:41
  Speaker 5: Your dad needs you guys to visit him and you
• 57:44
  Speaker 5: need to put him in a home because I'm not
• 57:46
  Speaker 5: in the will. I only got a few pieces of
• 57:49
  Speaker 5: jewelry over the last 18 years.
• 57:53
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 57:54
  Speaker 2: Isn't there a law in California, though, where if you're
• 57:56
  Speaker 2: together for 10 years, there's like common.
• 57:59
  Speaker 5: No, that changed when gay marriage passed. That's my understanding.
• 58:02
  Speaker 2: Oh, the gays ruined it.
• 58:03
  Speaker 6: It was called palimony doesn't exist.
• 58:06
  Speaker 2: Palimony doesn't exist anymore. We may need to reverse it sometime.
• 58:11
  Speaker 5: My understanding is there was a time where palimony, when
• 58:14
  Speaker 5: you're with someone for seven years, you could sue for
• 58:17
  Speaker 5: palimony saying, I've become accustomed to this lifestyle.
• 58:20
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 58:20
  Speaker 5: Then I believe, and a lot of gays would use
• 58:23
  Speaker 5: that because they couldn't get married.
• 58:25
  Speaker 6: And then my understanding is once they got married, that
• 58:27
  Speaker 6: kind of went away.
• 58:28
  Speaker 5: And so if you are in a non-marriage and you're
• 58:30
  Speaker 5: in a transactional thing where one of you makes the
• 58:33
  Speaker 5: money and maybe one takes care of the home or
• 58:35
  Speaker 5: the kids or the pets, you've got to make sure
• 58:38
  Speaker 5: that there is a, if you're not married, some type
• 58:40
  Speaker 5: of agreement where you're like for every year we're together,
• 58:43
  Speaker 5: I get a million dollars or, um, Buy me this
• 58:47
  Speaker 5: piece of property.
• 58:48
  Speaker 6: It's called real estate for a real reason. It's real property.
• 58:52
  Speaker 5: It can't be jewelry that can be stolen.
• 58:54
  Speaker 6: It can't be lost on a trip on the sea.
• 58:57
  Speaker 6: It can't be revoked.
• 58:58
  Speaker 5: You know, like put my name on a real piece
• 59:00
  Speaker 5: of property and then your nasty kids can't take it
• 59:04
  Speaker 5: from me when you die. And they act like I
• 59:06
  Speaker 5: never I never was there for 12 Christmases.
• 59:09
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 59:12
  Speaker 5: Then he was seen with, he's got a girlfriend, some
• 59:15
  Speaker 5: girl from love Island.
• 59:17
  Speaker 2: I'm tired of him and all his little 23 year
• 59:19
  Speaker 2: old girlfriends.
• 59:20
  Speaker 6: Well, she was, she has a house.
• 59:22
  Speaker 5: Kyle has a house in Nashville and she's been spotted
• 59:25
  Speaker 5: by many people enjoying a cute lunch with Morgan Wade.
• 59:30
  Speaker 5: I'm going to make you love me. Well, she came
• 59:32
  Speaker 5: and bought a house in Nashville. I said, I don't
• 59:34
  Speaker 5: know why you're living here. We're just friends.
• 59:36
  Speaker 2: But good for her. Good for her.
• 59:39
  Speaker 6: Nashville's a fun town.
• 59:40
  Speaker 2: She's Sierra chasing West.
• 59:44
  Speaker 5: Or they just have a good time together. I could
• 59:48
  Speaker 5: see her moving on from the housewives. I'm very curious
• 59:50
  Speaker 5: to know who will be in the cast next season.
• 59:52
  Speaker 5: I think there'll be a big shakeup in Beverly Hills.
• 59:54
  Speaker 2: I think there has to be at this point.
• 59:56
  Speaker 5: And they're moving towards such younger cast now, like Rhode
• 59:59
  Speaker 5: Island just premiered.
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 2: Very young cast.
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 5: Besides, I think this one woman who looks like Dolores,
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 5: who from New Jersey pops over to like bring it
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 5: together but they had one episode and the juiciest part
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 5: of it is there's this really pretty girl who's like
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 5: 30 who is a um lives in an enormous gorgeous
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 5: home and she's had this boyfriend for like 10 years
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 5: or something and they're not married and she doesn't have
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 5: kids and he just goes lives in Miami for six
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 5: months when it's better to be in Miami than Rhode
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 5: Island and And then when it's nice in Rhode Island,
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 5: then he's her boyfriend. And she just waits around for
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 5: six months, but she doesn't have to work.
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 2: So it pays off.
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 5: And she comes out with a story right away because
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 5: she's like, this is probably why they picked me.
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 5: And I think because they're not married, either he doesn't
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 5: even know she's doing this. And she's like, well, if
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 5: you break up with me, at least I've got a job.
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 5: Or... he, or she's like, well, you're going to realize
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 5: how great I am and you're going to get rid
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 5: of Miss Miami. But I mean, now everybody knows who
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 5: he is, who probably they've figured out who the woman
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 5: he spends with in Miami. I mean, you know, and
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 5: his dad was some famous judge or something. And so he's,
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 5: they're very, very wealthy and he's, so that I think
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 5: is pretty juicy.
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean, I think she was like, I mean,
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 2: it's at this point, the playbook has become so transparent, right?
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 2: Like Bronwyn, you, you're in a weird situation. So you
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 2: go on the show to give you your second leg
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 2: and then you can leave the relationship.
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 5: And you know, you either get your real estate license
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 5: or you get on the real housewives.
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 6: And then sometimes you have to do both.
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 6: Sometimes you have to do both.
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 2: I mean, I don't, I honestly don't know if Rhode
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 2: Island has legs. That's my hot take.
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 5: I wasn't, I kind of, I'm like, look, I'm, I'm curious.
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 5: I think it's interesting groups of people. I think that
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 5: people have said you're going to die. There's so much
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 5: like juice behind it.
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 2: That's what they said about Dubai. That's what they said
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 2: about the Roni reboot. Well, we'll see. That's what they
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 2: said about the Vanderpump reboot.
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 6: I like the Ashley Eye is interesting.
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 5: She's from The Bachelor. I was a fan of her
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 5: because she was like an old virgin. And she then
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 5: falls in love with the other guy she met on
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 5: that was in The Bachelor franchise. They have two of
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 5: the most beautiful boys. They kind of both, they kind
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 5: of look like brother and sister, first of all. And
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 5: then they made like these beautiful like eyes or like,
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 5: I don't know. They're just really cute. And so she's
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 5: in the thick of it now. She's two little boys.
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 5: They run this coffee shop. But he was from Rhode Island.
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 5: So like she.
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 2: Gets in it.
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 5: And I think that's interesting.
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 6: But it's a lot.
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 5: It's like they're skewing it all so young now that
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 5: it's just a lot of child rearing.
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 6: And I'm like, I don't know.
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 5: I mean, I think the sweet spot of housewives is
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 5: you are married and you have some kids, but they're
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 5: kind of older and they're not really part of it.
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 6: Like maybe they're like 12 and above.
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 5: And so you have time to go out and go
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 5: on things and you're not looking like a bad mom.
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 2: If you go spend a week in Ireland or whatever,
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 2: like there.
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 5: And I just feel like right now there's a lot
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 5: of shows that are a lot about little babies and
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 5: little kids, but.
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 2: Whatever. Might be good. I don't think it has legs.
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 2: All right. I think it needs a scandal to keep
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 2: it around. Otherwise, it's going to die like Dubai. All right.
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 5: The Valley came back. On the poster, there's 13 people.
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 5: That doesn't include Jesse's girlfriend that's come to the play.
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 2: Lacey.
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 5: The juiciest part was Lala, who her second daughter Sosa,
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 5: she went and you know, they shared it on Vanderpump
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 5: Rules and everything that she, after having the breakup of
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 5: her relationship with her ex who produced her daughter Ocean,
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 5: then she wanted to have another baby.
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 6: So she went to a sperm bank. And when I was.
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 5: Talking to Lala back then, and she was telling me
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 5: about it, I go, are you gonna buy the whole lot?
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 6: And she goes, what do you mean?
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 5: And I said, if you can afford to, or if
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 5: they can give you a deal, you should buy the
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 5: whole lot because I have friends who have done this.
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 5: And- Then they find out, you know, that, oh, well,
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 5: maybe it's nice, but maybe it's not. My kid actually,
• 1:04:28
  Speaker 5: there's 13 other people. But you could also not know
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 5: and possibly those two people could fall in love, whatever.
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 6: It's just so if you can. So she did do that.
• 1:04:38
  Speaker 5: And they have this scene where she's joking with Luke,
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 5: who's Kristen's fiance, and they have a baby together. that
• 1:04:46
  Speaker 5: Sosa looks like him. And then he goes, I actually
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 5: did donate sperm. And she's like, ha ha, but not
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 5: to my sperm bank. And he goes, no, I did.
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 5: And then they go back and they're like, she's like, he's,
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 5: he's this, he has a business degree. And he's like,
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 5: I do have a business degree. Like, but I think
• 1:05:03
  Speaker 5: did it, did a followup that they actually did a
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 5: test eventually.
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 2: And it's not his kid, right? Well, it's definitely not
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 2: his kid because she saw what the guys looked like.
• 1:05:12
  Speaker 2: You have to see.
• 1:05:13
  Speaker 8: No, she didn't.
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 2: This is what you don't know. Really?
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 5: They give you only baby photos.
• 1:05:19
  Speaker 2: Oh, that's weird.
• 1:05:19
  Speaker 5: They give you baby photos or childhood photos so you
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 5: can kind of see. Like I told her, my friend
• 1:05:26
  Speaker 5: who did it, okay, but she did it 22 years,
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 5: 20-something years ago. As a single woman, she was 40,
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 5: and I go, how did you choose? And she said,
• 1:05:36
  Speaker 5: I chose a sperm that, I mean, I chose a man.
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 5: which I only saw baby photos that looked like me
• 1:05:42
  Speaker 5: because she was blonde and fair. And she's just like,
• 1:05:45
  Speaker 5: I want the baby to look like me if I'm
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 5: going to have a baby. And so I said that
• 1:05:49
  Speaker 5: to Lala too. I'm like, you might want to like,
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 5: you know, choose somebody that really kind of looks like you.
• 1:05:53
  Speaker 5: And I said, and she said, they only show you
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 5: the like childhood photos. So you could kind of go, oh,
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 5: this sort of looks or whatever, because you could run
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 5: into them. You could find them. You might recognize them
• 1:06:05
  Speaker 5: from Tinder. Like it's to protect the donor.
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 2: Interesting. So I don't.
• 1:06:15
  Speaker 6: Know if that works the same with eggs.
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 2: It doesn't.
• 1:06:18
  Speaker 6: But at least and I think maybe any place could
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 6: have their own rules.
• 1:06:23
  Speaker 2: Yeah. You know what I mean?
• 1:06:23
  Speaker 5: I think if if it's like, hey, if you're willing
• 1:06:26
  Speaker 5: to show your you. at every stage of your life,
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 5: then your egg will go more because go for more
• 1:06:32
  Speaker 5: because people kind of really want to see how you
• 1:06:34
  Speaker 5: grew up to be me. I think anything can be negotiable.
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 5: It's just up to your thing.
• 1:06:39
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I guess so. Yeah.
• 1:06:41
  Speaker 5: And like, so anyway, um, I think we, I think
• 1:06:46
  Speaker 5: I read somewhere that eventually they're, Spoiler alert, they do do.
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 6: A DNA test or something.
• 1:06:51
  Speaker 2: Probably.
• 1:06:52
  Speaker 5: But the reality of them springing on her in that
• 1:06:56
  Speaker 5: moment was beautiful reality TV. And then when they reveal
• 1:07:00
  Speaker 5: it on the after show and the guys didn't know,
• 1:07:04
  Speaker 5: that is not acting.
• 1:07:06
  Speaker 7: No.
• 1:07:06
  Speaker 5: And that was really... And they put them side by
• 1:07:09
  Speaker 5: side and it's like.
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 2: And he looks exactly like the little girl.
• 1:07:12
  Speaker 6: Yeah, like sparkling blue eyes and fair and.
• 1:07:18
  Speaker 2: Who knows?
• 1:07:19
  Speaker 6: But, you know, it's good right now.
• 1:07:22
  Speaker 2: Kristen and she are.
• 1:07:22
  Speaker 5: Getting along and Kristen is not getting along with.
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 6: What's her name?
• 1:07:30
  Speaker 2: What's the girl's name? Michelle. Janice. Janet. Janet. Janet.
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 6: And I thought this was it.
• 1:07:36
  Speaker 5: They have a pool party off camera and Brittany invites everybody.
• 1:07:42
  Speaker 6: It's hot as shit.
• 1:07:43
  Speaker 2: It's summer.
• 1:07:43
  Speaker 5: Okay.
• 1:07:44
  Speaker 7: Okay.
• 1:07:46
  Speaker 5: I really felt for Janet in this story. So she
• 1:07:49
  Speaker 5: invites Janet and she invites Kristen. And Kristen's like, Janet
• 1:07:53
  Speaker 5: better not be coming. And Brittany's like, oh.
• 1:07:55
  Speaker 2: God, she's probably not going to come. She always flakes.
• 1:07:57
  Speaker 5: Don't worry about it.
• 1:07:58
  Speaker 2: She won't come. She won't come. Just come.
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 6: She won't come.
• 1:08:02
  Speaker 2: Janet, it's fucking hot as shit.
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 2: It's the valley.
• 1:08:05
  Speaker 6: Brittany has a nice pool.
• 1:08:07
  Speaker 2: She has a toddler.
• 1:08:09
  Speaker 6: All kids want to do is go swimming.
• 1:08:11
  Speaker 7: Yep.
• 1:08:12
  Speaker 5: Okay?
• 1:08:12
  Speaker 7: Yep.
• 1:08:13
  Speaker 6: Okay, that's the scary part because many of them can't swim.
• 1:08:15
  Speaker 5: So it's like not a good time for you until
• 1:08:17
  Speaker 5: they're like 10.
• 1:08:18
  Speaker 2: But they want to go swimming.
• 1:08:19
  Speaker 5: And she goes, I went there and Kristen's immediately like,
• 1:08:23
  Speaker 5: what's she doing here? So she had to get her
• 1:08:25
  Speaker 5: kid and leave. And when Janet said, and wrote Brittany
• 1:08:30
  Speaker 5: and was like, why did you invite me? Now my
• 1:08:32
  Speaker 5: baby is crying. And like, I just thought, Brittany, I
• 1:08:37
  Speaker 5: know you have a heart, the heart the size of Kentucky,
• 1:08:40
  Speaker 5: but like, Don't fucking do that when it involves kids
• 1:08:44
  Speaker 5: and a pool.
• 1:08:45
  Speaker 2: Well, I don't think she thought it was. But you
• 1:08:47
  Speaker 2: don't invite two people and then, and no, like you
• 1:08:50
  Speaker 2: need to go.
• 1:08:50
  Speaker 5: Like I, we've all had that situation where you either
• 1:08:53
  Speaker 5: invite one or you go, are you guys cool to
• 1:08:56
  Speaker 5: be together?
• 1:08:56
  Speaker 6: And one says yes.
• 1:08:57
  Speaker 2: And one says no.
• 1:08:58
  Speaker 6: And one goes, you know what? invite them I'm gonna
• 1:09:01
  Speaker 6: bow out you don't and then say.
• 1:09:03
  Speaker 5: Bring your kids where a toddler is like all with
• 1:09:06
  Speaker 5: his like little wings on it's like come.
• 1:09:10
  Speaker 8: On that's awful anybody Janet doesn't have a pool Janet
• 1:09:14
  Speaker 8: I want to invite you to my pool party I
• 1:09:16
  Speaker 8: feel so bad like I really feel badly And then
• 1:09:20
  Speaker 8: Brittany goes and she has fun with a guy that
• 1:09:23
  Speaker 8: she's no longer with.
• 1:09:24
  Speaker 6: But they went to Cabo and.
• 1:09:25
  Speaker 2: She's like, I got my sparkle back.
• 1:09:26
  Speaker 5: I mean, but I do, what I now, what I
• 1:09:31
  Speaker 5: actually really like about featuring Cruise is I'm thinking, like,
• 1:09:38
  Speaker 5: he runs up to the camera.
• 1:09:40
  Speaker 2: He has autism.
• 1:09:41
  Speaker 5: And he runs up to the camera and she's laughing.
• 1:09:44
  Speaker 5: I actually think in his case, it will be interesting if,
• 1:09:49
  Speaker 5: Having the cameraman around, maybe that's beneficial. I think some
• 1:09:54
  Speaker 5: people might have been like, this baby isn't—I don't know.
• 1:09:58
  Speaker 5: Nobody's ever really tried it before. Like, having other people around,
• 1:10:01
  Speaker 5: and he seems to like them. Like, he seems to be, like.
• 1:10:03
  Speaker 2: Going up to them. Well, we saw it with Jacqueline
• 1:10:04
  Speaker 2: Loretta with her son on Jersey Housewives.
• 1:10:08
  Speaker 7: Remember?
• 1:10:08
  Speaker 5: We didn't—I feel like we didn't see him that much.
• 1:10:11
  Speaker 5: I don't know, because your brother has autism.
• 1:10:13
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:10:13
  Speaker 6: So I kind of wanted to ask you, like— I
• 1:10:15
  Speaker 6: don't know.
• 1:10:15
  Speaker 5: I thought when she did the sensory room, I thought
• 1:10:18
  Speaker 5: that was really cool.
• 1:10:19
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 1:10:20
  Speaker 2: That's coming up, I think. I don't know if you.
• 1:10:22
  Speaker 6: She does... She goes, I did.
• 1:10:23
  Speaker 5: I put everything in his playroom the way they do
• 1:10:26
  Speaker 5: it at the therapy.
• 1:10:27
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:10:28
  Speaker 5: And I thought that is really cool because there's people
• 1:10:31
  Speaker 5: at home that might really get some great ideas from her.
• 1:10:35
  Speaker 2: I think that's the biggest beneficial piece. And I think
• 1:10:37
  Speaker 2: even with Jacqueline, you know, I remember when she was
• 1:10:40
  Speaker 2: going through that. And I'm still really good friends with
• 1:10:41
  Speaker 2: Jacqueline to this day.
• 1:10:43
  Speaker 1: When.
• 1:10:45
  Speaker 2: you see someone going through it. You just, you feel seen,
• 1:10:49
  Speaker 2: like you get it, you understand. And then you see
• 1:10:51
  Speaker 2: things that they're doing and, you know, you're able to,
• 1:10:54
  Speaker 2: to kind of support each other, even though it is
• 1:10:56
  Speaker 2: kind of through the TV and Brittany and I have
• 1:10:58
  Speaker 2: DM about it a bit. Um, and you know, I
• 1:11:02
  Speaker 2: just told her, I was like, listen, I have every
• 1:11:04
  Speaker 2: resource you could ever want. Just, you know, let me
• 1:11:07
  Speaker 2: know what you need. And I'm here to help you
• 1:11:08
  Speaker 2: at any point. Cause I mean, it's tough. Um, And
• 1:11:12
  Speaker 2: it's nice to see Cruz at least reacting in a
• 1:11:14
  Speaker 2: positive way and not being overwhelmed by the cameras because
• 1:11:18
  Speaker 2: it can go either way. But it seems like, you know,
• 1:11:21
  Speaker 2: he's enjoying himself. And I would imagine that also, you know,
• 1:11:26
  Speaker 2: makes things easier for her, too.
• 1:11:29
  Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean, she's just positive and doing it her own.
• 1:11:32
  Speaker 6: I mean, do we know where Jax is?
• 1:11:36
  Speaker 2: Last we heard, he was, what, living in Tom Schwartz's
• 1:11:38
  Speaker 2: apartment building? Remember when he moved in there?
• 1:11:40
  Speaker 5: I just wonder, like, I mean, it sounds like she's
• 1:11:42
  Speaker 5: not getting support from him.
• 1:11:44
  Speaker 7: No.
• 1:11:45
  Speaker 6: And it sounds like he doesn't have an income.
• 1:11:49
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know. His podcast is gone. His tour
• 1:11:51
  Speaker 2: got canceled. I don't know what he's doing. I mean,
• 1:11:56
  Speaker 2: he's probably— I could see him doing, like, a Cam Soda deal.
• 1:11:59
  Speaker 2: You know, Cam Soda's always reaching out to the reality
• 1:12:01
  Speaker 2: stars to have— So it's Cam Soda. Yeah.
• 1:12:03
  Speaker 6: Is this a joke?
• 1:12:04
  Speaker 2: What is cam soda? It's streaming, like adult streaming. Oh,
• 1:12:10
  Speaker 2: I thought you meant like a soda.
• 1:12:11
  Speaker 7: No.
• 1:12:11
  Speaker 6: I was like a soda drink.
• 1:12:13
  Speaker 3: No.
• 1:12:13
  Speaker 6: And I'm like, you know, like Poppy or something. I
• 1:12:15
  Speaker 6: was like, what are you talking about?
• 1:12:17
  Speaker 2: Oh, well. I could see him going, who is the-
• 1:12:20
  Speaker 2: I hope not. Chad, bad Chad from The Bachelorette. He
• 1:12:24
  Speaker 2: pivoted to OnlyFans. I could see Jax going in that direction.
• 1:12:28
  Speaker 3: Hmm.
• 1:12:29
  Speaker 5: Jen Shah.
• 1:12:30
  Speaker 2: Oh, God.
• 1:12:31
  Speaker 5: She did her People magazine, which, by the way, I
• 1:12:34
  Speaker 5: predicted that. I think I only said it at my
• 1:12:36
  Speaker 5: live show in Salt Lake. But she was on the
• 1:12:38
  Speaker 5: cover of People or did a People interview, which they filmed.
• 1:12:42
  Speaker 5: And the little bit that I saw, you know what?
• 1:12:45
  Speaker 5: Don't miss you.
• 1:12:45
  Speaker 8: No.
• 1:12:47
  Speaker 5: Don't miss you at all. Don't want her back on
• 1:12:50
  Speaker 5: the show. Don't need her back. She still felt very little,
• 1:12:55
  Speaker 5: still no accountability. Like, not until I was, you know,
• 1:13:00
  Speaker 5: walking to the courthouse did I realize that there were
• 1:13:03
  Speaker 5: actual real victims. She's still not saying, like, We were
• 1:13:09
  Speaker 5: scamming people, but I didn't think it would lead to,
• 1:13:12
  Speaker 5: you know, them ending their life or being destitute. I
• 1:13:16
  Speaker 5: just thought we were scraping from the top from a
• 1:13:18
  Speaker 5: lot of people.
• 1:13:18
  Speaker 2: Just be honest.
• 1:13:20
  Speaker 5: Yeah. Like, you're not being honest, so I don't want
• 1:13:22
  Speaker 5: to see you ever again.
• 1:13:23
  Speaker 2: Yeah, well, that's right. She's just like, you know, I
• 1:13:25
  Speaker 2: didn't realize that what I was doing was wrong. And
• 1:13:27
  Speaker 2: then I had to take accountability once I did realize
• 1:13:30
  Speaker 2: it was wrong. It's like, no, you knew it was
• 1:13:31
  Speaker 2: wrong because the feds were investigating you for years. And
• 1:13:34
  Speaker 2: we saw the messages where you're instructing your team. to
• 1:13:36
  Speaker 2: get rid of the servers. You moved your operations over
• 1:13:39
  Speaker 2: to Kosovo. I mean, they.
• 1:13:41
  Speaker 5: Don't bring you, they don't put together a federal case because,
• 1:13:46
  Speaker 5: you know, they were like, oh, she's on the Housewives
• 1:13:49
  Speaker 5: and has a Gucci bag.
• 1:13:51
  Speaker 2: Like, there's a lot. Yeah, they'd investigated, and she knew
• 1:13:55
  Speaker 2: that they were going to come to her because all
• 1:13:58
  Speaker 2: the other people that were doing part of this part
• 1:14:02
  Speaker 2: of the other pieces of this fraud scheme they were
• 1:14:05
  Speaker 2: all going down and they were all flipping on each
• 1:14:07
  Speaker 2: other so she was inevitably going to get pulled into
• 1:14:10
  Speaker 2: it and that's why she was like I'm innocent and
• 1:14:12
  Speaker 2: I'm fighting for people that don't have the means and
• 1:14:15
  Speaker 2: it was just it was such a.
• 1:14:16
  Speaker 5: Bad look I don't think anyone is this is my
• 1:14:20
  Speaker 5: prediction and they're not always right I don't think she's
• 1:14:23
  Speaker 5: going to be picked up for other shit no I
• 1:14:26
  Speaker 5: don't think there's anything funny juicy compelling Teresa won our
• 1:14:30
  Speaker 5: hearts over.
• 1:14:31
  Speaker 6: She was interesting.
• 1:14:32
  Speaker 5: Her case was different. And Teresa was bamboozled. And it
• 1:14:36
  Speaker 5: wasn't a malicious thing that she was actively doing like this.
• 1:14:40
  Speaker 5: That was your whole business. And you're walking around bragging
• 1:14:43
  Speaker 5: that you're a businesswoman. And she was always screaming. And
• 1:14:46
  Speaker 5: I always thought it was performative. So I never liked her.
• 1:14:48
  Speaker 5: And I'm just like, I don't care about you and
• 1:14:51
  Speaker 5: Coach Shaw and the Polynesian Cultural Center.
• 1:14:54
  Speaker 6: I don't care what your life. I don't care about you.
• 1:14:57
  Speaker 5: Please.
• 1:14:57
  Speaker 8: Please.
• 1:14:58
  Speaker 5: Please don't come back to Salt Lake.
• 1:15:00
  Speaker 2: I watched the full interview, and there were moments where
• 1:15:03
  Speaker 2: she's charismatic, and there were moments where I was like, oh,
• 1:15:06
  Speaker 2: you know? And then I was like, no, Zach, she's
• 1:15:09
  Speaker 2: a con woman. Wait, what part turned you on?
• 1:15:12
  Speaker 5: No, I don't... About the hemorrhoid pads that she put
• 1:15:17
  Speaker 5: on her face?
• 1:15:18
  Speaker 2: Oh, that was funny. She was like, I was the
• 1:15:19
  Speaker 2: Ulta of prison. I learned how to get hemorrhoid pads
• 1:15:23
  Speaker 2: and use them as an astringent for your face. Like
• 1:15:26
  Speaker 2: there were just moments where I believed that she, you know.
• 1:15:29
  Speaker 2: She looked good. She looked really pretty. She does look good.
• 1:15:33
  Speaker 2: Where she's like, you know, the restitution, we're paying everybody.
• 1:15:35
  Speaker 2: Like there were just little moments where she would just
• 1:15:38
  Speaker 2: come across soft. And then I was like, no, that's
• 1:15:41
  Speaker 2: literally her whole thing. She's a con woman. She knows
• 1:15:44
  Speaker 2: exactly what to say and how to, you know, how
• 1:15:48
  Speaker 2: to lower her voice and like how to do all
• 1:15:50
  Speaker 2: of these things to make you, you know, like her.
• 1:15:53
  Speaker 5: Taylor Franker-Paul, the latest is she says she's moved away
• 1:15:56
  Speaker 5: from the Mormon church, but she does believe in Jesus.
• 1:16:00
  Speaker 5: And she did a whole thing that got, you know, 100,000 likes.
• 1:16:04
  Speaker 5: She went away with her older kids and thanked some
• 1:16:07
  Speaker 5: company that I guess sponsored her. And many people have
• 1:16:11
  Speaker 5: been subpoenaed for the temporary restraining order that Dakota has
• 1:16:16
  Speaker 5: tried to put on her.
• 1:16:17
  Speaker 6: So they are going forward with that.
• 1:16:19
  Speaker 5: Dakota's also been cut out of the villa footage of
• 1:16:24
  Speaker 5: where the dad talks went to the villa, which is
• 1:16:27
  Speaker 5: coming out.
• 1:16:28
  Speaker 2: That happened.
• 1:16:29
  Speaker 5: And also Jesse, who does hair, who had an, who
• 1:16:34
  Speaker 5: had a affair with Marciana from the villa, they're posting
• 1:16:38
  Speaker 5: that they're a couple now. And everyone's just like, exactly.
• 1:16:42
  Speaker 5: Everyone is like, I think I'm tired.
• 1:16:44
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 1:16:45
  Speaker 2: I'm exhausted. When I saw Jesse and Marciano at Sola
• 1:16:49
  Speaker 2: Gave in Salt Lake City and I, and then Harry
• 1:16:53
  Speaker 2: Jowsey's jumping in and he's like, like commenting and posting
• 1:16:57
  Speaker 2: like his text thread with them being like, what's going on?
• 1:17:00
  Speaker 2: I was just like, I I'm tired. Like you guys
• 1:17:02
  Speaker 2: are doing too much. And it's just like, it's, it's fatiguing.
• 1:17:05
  Speaker 2: Like the only one I like is Whitney. Cause she's
• 1:17:07
  Speaker 2: just like, I'm out of this drama. I'm doing Broadway.
• 1:17:10
  Speaker 2: I'm with Mark Ballas and we're doing Roxy Hart. And like,
• 1:17:13
  Speaker 2: we want no part of that drama. And I'm like,
• 1:17:15
  Speaker 2: you're the only one that I actually like even like
• 1:17:17
  Speaker 2: right now. Cause the rest of them are doing Tik
• 1:17:19
  Speaker 2: TOKs and doing videos and like trying to like, The
• 1:17:22
  Speaker 2: Jessie stuff just looks so bad. Like, we don't like Jordan.
• 1:17:24
  Speaker 5: The Jessie stuff, I think, is she's, like, scared that
• 1:17:27
  Speaker 5: the show's going to go away completely from Salt Lake
• 1:17:30
  Speaker 5: City and only film in Orange County with the other
• 1:17:33
  Speaker 5: girls that have moved and their new cast.
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  Speaker 2: Well, that's not even a real show yet.
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  Speaker 5: Okay, well, I think she's striving, and I understand why.
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  Speaker 5: She's got kids. She has, you know, a couple baby daddies,
• 1:17:43
  Speaker 5: I think, or maybe she only has one. But anyway,
• 1:17:45
  Speaker 5: she has a couple kids. She has this huge business.
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  Speaker 5: She cannot go pick up and go to L.A. for $ 100, 000
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  Speaker 5: a year to be on a show. So she's got
• 1:17:54
  Speaker 5: to keep the filming in Salt Lake City. So I
• 1:17:59
  Speaker 5: think she's doing whatever it is. And in the meantime,
• 1:18:01
  Speaker 5: she was attracted to Marciano, so let them walk around
• 1:18:04
  Speaker 5: and party.
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  Speaker 2: Who cares?
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  Speaker 5: I want to thank you so much for coming. Zach,
• 1:18:09
  Speaker 5: tell everybody where they can follow you.
• 1:18:11
  Speaker 2: You do great work. Yeah, great work taking down Blake Lively.
• 1:18:16
  Speaker 2: The smear campaign. No, I'm just kidding. Zach Peter all
• 1:18:18
  Speaker 2: over the internet. My podcast is called No Filter with
• 1:18:20
  Speaker 2: Zach Peter. It streams five days a week. YouTube, Spotify, Apple,
• 1:18:24
  Speaker 2: all the places.
• 1:18:25
  Speaker 6: And everything for me is at HeatherMcDowell.net. Thank you so much.
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  Speaker 2: Love you.
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  Speaker 5: Bye.
• 1:18:32
  Speaker 4: They think you're done for the day, but they don't
• 1:18:34
  Speaker 4: know about the drawer. The drawer. Just the one square
• 1:18:40
  Speaker 4: before bed.
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  Speaker 9: Or two.
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  Speaker 2: You know, nobody's watching.
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  Speaker 3: You deserve a treat.
• 1:18:50
  Speaker 4: With eight flavors to choose from you can choose the
• 1:18:53
  Speaker 4: flavor you favor with cabri dairy milk