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Speaker 1: The podcast. It's all about the geeky stuff going on
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Speaker 1: in the world and how excited we are to be
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Speaker 1: a part of that. I am your host. Job in
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Speaker 1: Strickland and not with me is Arial cast In. We
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Speaker 1: were not able to record a new episode this week
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Speaker 1: for reasons, and so I thought we would bring a
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Speaker 1: rerun of sorts. We're gonna listen to an episode called
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Speaker 1: Game of Cats, which published in June uh and we
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Speaker 1: spend the first part of the episode getting to know
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Speaker 1: Arie a little bit better, and then we talk about
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Speaker 1: our thoughts on musicals, and we have a fun mash
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Speaker 1: up of Game of Thrones and Cats. And before we
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Speaker 1: get into that, I just thought i'd men shin that Yes,
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Speaker 1: we are staying on top of the geek news. We
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Speaker 1: have thoughts about the new Multiverse of Madness trailer for
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Speaker 1: Dr strange Um. We have thoughts about the fact that
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Speaker 1: Picard season three is apparently going to bring back pretty
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Speaker 1: much everybody from the next generation, with the exception of
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Speaker 1: like Tasha, are a couple of others, and we hope
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Speaker 1: to give our thoughts on the Moon Night series, which
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Speaker 1: by the time you hear this episode two will have
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Speaker 1: come out, and we're really excited to see that, at
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Speaker 1: least I am. I can't speak for Ariel. I haven't
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Speaker 1: actually talked to her about it yet, but I'm actually
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Speaker 1: really digging it. I'm enjoying Moonnight so far. And uh yeah,
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Speaker 1: we'll be back with some more geeky news and more
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Speaker 1: mashups next week, But for now, why don't you enjoy
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Speaker 1: this episode that we published last year Game of Cats
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Speaker 1: and enjoy Ariel? Yes, Jonathan, I got a question for you,
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Speaker 1: all right, Ariel. Your question, and this this does tie
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Speaker 1: into our topics of discussion today, is that you have
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Speaker 1: a chance to have sort of a gender flipped experience
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Speaker 1: playing a character from a musical that typically we go
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Speaker 1: to a male actor. What's a song from a show
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Speaker 1: that's typically sung by a male actor that you would
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Speaker 1: love the chance to give your own take on. Okay, well,
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Speaker 1: I'm very fickle about musicals, and so I'll change what
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Speaker 1: musical I want to sing from day to day. But
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Speaker 1: there is a a go to song that is usually
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Speaker 1: sung by a guy that I really love singing and
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Speaker 1: would love to sing and that is Lost in the
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Speaker 1: Wilderness from Children of Eden. It's usually sung by Cain
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Speaker 1: and Abel and it's it's very heartfelt and there's like
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Speaker 1: but it's nice and a tenner range. So I tend
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Speaker 1: to be contralto tenor and so I've always liked singing
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Speaker 1: guy parts anyhow. But that's just off the top of
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Speaker 1: my head. Like I said, that could change any day.
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Speaker 1: If there's a song I want to sing it that
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Speaker 1: I hear you. Anyone who has gone to karaoke with
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Speaker 1: me knows that if there's a song I want to
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Speaker 1: sing it, what gender bent song would you like to sing?
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Speaker 1: So there are tons of so I I have been
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Speaker 1: known to sing at karaoke songs that were meant for actresses,
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Speaker 1: for example, Popular from Wicked. It's one of my favorites.
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Speaker 1: I love doing that one. But as for the song
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Speaker 1: that would really love to sing, um that I would
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Speaker 1: never get away with. It would be Stupid with Love
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Speaker 1: from Mean Girls because it's just a fun, little upbeat,
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Speaker 1: silly song. It is not age appropriate for me. It's
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Speaker 1: not gender appropriate for me because it's sung by a
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Speaker 1: character who's supposed to be a high school student. A
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Speaker 1: young female high school student. So it's about as far
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Speaker 1: away from me as you can get, but it is
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Speaker 1: a genuinely fun song to sing. Uh. There's also another
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Speaker 1: one called hi Light I love play Rehearsal, which is
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Speaker 1: from b Moore Chill that one I was also killed
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Speaker 1: to sing because I love that song too. But that's
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Speaker 1: enough about me. We're now going to segue into a
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Speaker 1: segment I like to call what's that Ariel about? Anyway? Huh,
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Speaker 1: I don't know what is that Ariel about. We're gonna
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Speaker 1: find out, and I'm gonna find out by asking the
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Speaker 1: foremost expert on what Ariel is all about, and that
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Speaker 1: is Ariel. Hey, Ariel, We're gonna get to know you, Okay.
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Speaker 1: So we're gonna start off with the the simplest of questions,
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Speaker 1: but one that you have received numerous times because I've
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Speaker 1: been there when it's happened, which is, where did your
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Speaker 1: name come from? Did your mom name you after the
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Speaker 1: Little Mermaid? So no, my mom did not name me
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Speaker 1: after the Little Mermaid? I was I don't know when
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Speaker 1: that came out. Uh. And Uh. The fun thing is, though,
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Speaker 1: depending on the day and when you ask her, she
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Speaker 1: did name me after her mom. She did name me
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Speaker 1: after a cartoon character. So my mom and dad were
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Speaker 1: watching Thunder the Barbarian, as the story sometimes goes, and
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Speaker 1: in Thunder, which is kind of like he Man he
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Speaker 1: Man adjacent, there's a sorceress named Ariel, and he goes
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Speaker 1: ariel Let's ride. And they liked that name, and so
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Speaker 1: they used it. But they also will sometimes say it
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Speaker 1: was after the sprite in the Tempest from Shakespeare. Uh.
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Speaker 1: And they like it anyhow because it in Hebrew it
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Speaker 1: means lyness of God. And so there are lots of
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Speaker 1: nice reasons to have that name. But I cling to
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Speaker 1: the one that I heard, the one that's stick with
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Speaker 1: me the most, which is I was named after a
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Speaker 1: character from Thunder of the Barbarian. Being named after a
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Speaker 1: sha experience characters, no no bad shakes either. So to speak,
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Speaker 1: the temp the Tempest is is a true masterpiece. Some
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Speaker 1: argue that it was the one work of Shakespeare that
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Speaker 1: was wholly original, not something that he lifted from a
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Speaker 1: previous work and then adapted. So I mean, and I
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Speaker 1: have played Ariel in the Tempest, and I have been
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Speaker 1: in a play of the Little Mermaid, although I was
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Speaker 1: her big sister and it wasn't the Disney version nice? Well,
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Speaker 1: then let us move on with learning more about what
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Speaker 1: Ariel was like as a child. Arguably I knew Ariel
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Speaker 1: when she was a child, but that was when she
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Speaker 1: was a teenager, so it doesn't really it's not the
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Speaker 1: same thing. Maybe nineteen were you eight? So it was
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Speaker 1: I met you in two thousand. How old were you then? Uh? Eighteen? Okay,
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Speaker 1: so yeah, I started read fast at eighteen. But we
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Speaker 1: didn't super know each other then. No, but I mean
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Speaker 1: you you had seen me perform in Shakespeare parodies. In fact, um,
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Speaker 1: so she knew me before I knew her. Actually she
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Speaker 1: didn't know me. She knew my character before I knew
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Speaker 1: who she was. You are a great performer, and your character,
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Speaker 1: more so than my friends who worked at the Renaissance Festival,
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Speaker 1: was part of the thing that made me go, hey,
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Speaker 1: I want to work there. Your character and then a
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Speaker 1: kissing Wench at a promotional event both made me go
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Speaker 1: I want to do that. And we'll get to more
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Speaker 1: of Georgia Renaissance Festival in a second, but first I
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Speaker 1: want to hear about some of the geeky things that
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Speaker 1: you loved when you were growing up. What were some
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Speaker 1: of the things that you kind of gravitated toward a
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Speaker 1: Star Trek. I remember what, Yeah, I remember watching the
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Speaker 1: cartoon as a small child, and I was raised on
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Speaker 1: science fiction fantasy. I remember reading a Connected Yankee and
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Speaker 1: King Arthur's Court in the Hobbit and Lord of the
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Speaker 1: Rings with my parents. A lot of uh asthmov in
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Speaker 1: Himlin children Himlan, not adult Highland stuff, so like the
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Speaker 1: Rolling Stones, uh, and not the not the wacky psycho
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Speaker 1: sexual stuff that came in later Highland stuff. Now, but
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Speaker 1: you know, my mom was a geek, my dad was
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Speaker 1: a geek, and so it was inevitable that I would
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Speaker 1: be you know, it's raised on science fiction fantasy, Star Trek,
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Speaker 1: Star Wars, all of it, Phantom tolbooth Is. I would
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Speaker 1: lump in their never ending story as well. Nice, well
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Speaker 1: my favorite things. Well then let's let's uh, let's talk
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Speaker 1: a little bit about the Renaissance Festival. Now, I have
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Speaker 1: seen most of the characters you've played, not all of them, actually,
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Speaker 1: because there were a couple that you played when I
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Speaker 1: was sort of inactive in the festival scene and I
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Speaker 1: wasn't even going as a patron. But can you talk
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Speaker 1: about maybe a couple of your characters and some of
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Speaker 1: your favorites and what they were like. Sure, So, like
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Speaker 1: I said, Uh, meeting one of the kissing wenches was
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Speaker 1: what made me want to do the Renaissance Festival. So
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Speaker 1: I auditioned for with a Shakespeare pe yes, and audition
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Speaker 1: to be a kissing wench in particular, and I got
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Speaker 1: the call that I was cast, and they wanted me
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Speaker 1: to be the old maid. Yes, about as far away
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Speaker 1: from kissing wench as possible, although in her heart she
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Speaker 1: wants to be a kissing wench, and her heart she
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Speaker 1: wanted to be a kissing wench. It was. It was
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Speaker 1: a little bit soul crushing. Now it was fine, it was.
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Speaker 1: It was a great experience and it really stretched me.
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Speaker 1: I was lies alone, the village old maid. But we
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Speaker 1: had another Liza at fair who was lies a lot,
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Speaker 1: and my friend who encouraged me to audition at the time,
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Speaker 1: was playing the stocksman whips a lot, and so I
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Speaker 1: became lies alone a lot. Uh, the old maid. Uh.
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Speaker 1: Since that time, I have gone all over the place.
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Speaker 1: I was a fashion consultant voguelo mode, which I think
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Speaker 1: is my most returned to character, who was all about
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Speaker 1: the color pink. I was also the black widow, Lady
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Speaker 1: Marianne killing him, wife of the late Earl of killing
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Speaker 1: him before that, wife of the late Duke of softly,
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Speaker 1: and before that, wife of the late Viscount of with
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Speaker 1: his words. So it was actually Lady Marianne killing him
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Speaker 1: softly with his words, widow of sixty eight looking for
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Speaker 1: a number of husband, husband number sixty nine. I was
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Speaker 1: also Ruby two Lips at Kissing Wench. My band played there,
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Speaker 1: and so I played Beatrice flats and houts and Bensonianza
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Speaker 1: tall and small and fence and Swanson, which yes, was
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Speaker 1: a nod to the producers. Everybody could call me be
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Speaker 1: flat because I played clarinet, which is a B flat instrument.
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Speaker 1: All over the place. I was all over the place.
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Speaker 1: I think those were the ones that stud with me most.
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Speaker 1: I was also in Scenario one Year, which is the
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Speaker 1: big plot that happens. Yes, there's a plot at the
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Speaker 1: Renaissance Festival, depending on which one you go to. I
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Speaker 1: did stage combat you name it, I did it, yeah,
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Speaker 1: and uh, and I mostly knew you as Vogue. That
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Speaker 1: was the character that we we mostly overlapped with, and
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Speaker 1: typically the character I was playing at that point, who
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Speaker 1: was the Lord Admiral was uh, kind of in a
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Speaker 1: weird like hot and cold relationship with Vogue where one
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Speaker 1: of us would seem to be very friendly towards the
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Speaker 1: other and the other one would just be the most
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Speaker 1: like cold and distant person possible and then it would change.
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Speaker 1: But it was never never, never the same way, Like
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Speaker 1: we never had two people who were really into each other.
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Speaker 1: It was always a one way a direction for the
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Speaker 1: for the affections, and the other person was either oblivious
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Speaker 1: or outwardly spurning them. Um. Oh that's what keeps it
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Speaker 1: fun though. Yeah, that was what made it really fun,
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Speaker 1: is that it added it created comedy for the audience,
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Speaker 1: which was the whole reason for it. And you mentioned
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Speaker 1: your band. First of all, what's the name of your band?
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Speaker 1: It depends on what day you're asking. Right now, we're
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Speaker 1: calling ourselves either the Tenpenny Travelers or the Fetch and Muggins. Nice.
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Speaker 1: I was about to say, like, you mean, you're not
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Speaker 1: the Tenpenny Travelers anymore. That's we are. So we're the
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Speaker 1: Tenpenny Travelers. That's what we perform at various festivals as
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Speaker 1: and at Pirate Palooza We've recently started playing some bluegrass
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Speaker 1: music for a larp that we play, and so at
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Speaker 1: that lark where the Fetch and Muggins, just because we're
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Speaker 1: all different characters and not our real life solves. But yeah,
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Speaker 1: I'm in a pirate Renaissance folksy band called the Tenpenny Travelers.
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Speaker 1: There's actually an album there is. We keep meaning to
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Speaker 1: make a second one that takes so much work. We
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Speaker 1: actually started off playing. I met them at a lark
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Speaker 1: and they were like a woodwind group and playing folk
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Speaker 1: music and folk dances uh at events and weddings and
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Speaker 1: things like that. So we were a wedding band for
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Speaker 1: a while too. That was fun and exciting. Yeah, and
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Speaker 1: they play a lot of a lot of the songs
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Speaker 1: that you would hear at places like the Renaissance Festival.
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Speaker 1: That there's songs that are very they're very folk song oriented,
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Speaker 1: but um they're very recent period because that's what everyone
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Speaker 1: plays at the Renissance Festival. I think I've been to
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Speaker 1: maybe two Renaissance festivals where they had people playing period
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Speaker 1: appropriate music And the problem with that is that audiences
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Speaker 1: don't expect period appropriate music. They want to hear. They
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Speaker 1: want to hear things like the Irish folk tunes that
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Speaker 1: they associate with the Renaissance, but in fact are much
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Speaker 1: more recent than that. Yeah, the period music is much
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Speaker 1: better for like background as opposed to sitting and watching
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Speaker 1: a show for most audiences. Well then, how about since
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Speaker 1: you mentioned larpin, how did you get into that? What
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Speaker 1: was what was your experience getting into larpin? And can
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Speaker 1: you tell us a little bit about some of your
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Speaker 1: characters that you play in the various games. Oh golly yes, so. Uh.
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Speaker 1: Like I said, I was raised a geek, and early
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Speaker 1: in my life I decided I wanted to be a
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Speaker 1: theater geek more than anything, and I joined in outdoor
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Speaker 1: Shakespeare troop and one of the actors in one of
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Speaker 1: the shows with me said, Hey, I do this LARPing thing.
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Speaker 1: You should check it out. Uh. And the lape that
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Speaker 1: I wanted to go to at the time was eighteen
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Speaker 1: years and older. Because you're all out role playing in
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Speaker 1: the woods and hitting each other with plumbing supplies wrapped
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Speaker 1: in foams. You want it. You want it to be adults.
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Speaker 1: You don't want to beat up some poor child. Uh. Larving.
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Speaker 1: The larving scene has changed drastically over the years. At
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Speaker 1: least the LARPs I play in. So we actually do
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Speaker 1: have some kids who are allowed to play with parents
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Speaker 1: supervision on a case by case basis. Uh. But I
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Speaker 1: was seventeen at the time, and when I turned eighteen,
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Speaker 1: I went to a LARP convention and I tried a
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Speaker 1: couple of characters. Uh. And I started off with kind
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Speaker 1: of rogue e fantasy characters, So I played like a
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Speaker 1: jewel Elf and a fire Elf and it was Elfie,
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Speaker 1: and I wanted to be all these like pretty little characters.
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Speaker 1: And then as time went on, I decided I wanted
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Speaker 1: to be a bruiser. So it's it's a lot easier
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Speaker 1: to play a game when you just gotta worry about
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Speaker 1: oh thing to hit, uh, and less about well, here's
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Speaker 1: all this intrigue happening, and here's all these details. As
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Speaker 1: I've become busier as an adult, it's also easier for
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Speaker 1: me to play and get invested in a game if
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Speaker 1: I don't have to remember a ton of details about
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Speaker 1: all of these fake politicians and intrigues and things like that.
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Speaker 1: So uh, I think my favorite characters are the last
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Speaker 1: two I played. One was a barbarian from a culture
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Speaker 1: that was very closely based off of Finnish culture, which
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Speaker 1: my great grandparents on my mother's side, one set of
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Speaker 1: them are from Finland, so I was all about that
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Speaker 1: so I could hit things and pretend to be from Finland.
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Speaker 1: And then the other one that I currently play is
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Speaker 1: at a western larp with um a lot of NERF
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Speaker 1: guns and I play a monster hunter, so I'm basically
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Speaker 1: playing Dean Winchester from from Natural Yeah, and in fact
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Speaker 1: I play Winnifridge Chesterfield or winchester Field. Uh. Nice, Yeah,
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Speaker 1: You're you're naming convention meets with my approval. I'm I'm
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Speaker 1: glad it does. I like to be puny, so do I.
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Speaker 1: I mean, my character at Runsos Vessel was Edmund Vane Glory,
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Speaker 1: and I really I really lived up to that name
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Speaker 1: as much as I could, whereas the name of the
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Speaker 1: French villain I played was Robert Camembert, the Marquis de
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Speaker 1: Roque four, which was about as cheesy as it gets.
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Speaker 1: Uh So, to wrap this section up, I have one
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Speaker 1: more question I want to ask you, and it's one
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Speaker 1: of those that I think is kind of fun to
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Speaker 1: chat with with various geeks, which is, what is something
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Speaker 1: in the geek sphere that you know you should have
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Speaker 1: already seen or experienced, but you just haven't gotten around
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Speaker 1: to it yet. So the one that keeps coming. One
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Speaker 1: is Nightmare Before Christmas, which we talked about in Our
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Speaker 1: Christmas our first Christmas episode. The other one I think
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Speaker 1: would be The Shining. I've never watched The Shining. I've
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Speaker 1: read very little Stephen King. Unlike Jonathan, I am not
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Speaker 1: the hugest of horror buffs. I watched my first horror
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Speaker 1: movie in fifth grade. I asked my rrence, I said,
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Speaker 1: can I please see this? And they said, well, because
17:02
Speaker 1: you asked you can, we don't think it's a good idea.
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Speaker 1: And boy were they right, because Freddy Krueger haunted my
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Speaker 1: dreams for so long. It was Freddy Krueger and it
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Speaker 1: was Candy Man. Oh Yeah, which at the time I
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Speaker 1: got through by by thinking the heroin could not have
17:22
Speaker 1: lost that much blood. This is ridiculous, just trying to
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Speaker 1: take myself out of it, to look at it from
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Speaker 1: a from an outside angle. But Shining. As I get older,
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Speaker 1: you know, I'm able to divest myself from some of
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Speaker 1: the scarier aspects of suspensiful horror movies. I'm still not
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Speaker 1: a big Gore fan, I don't. I don't like too
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Speaker 1: much slasher torture stuff, sure, but the Shining, while you
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Speaker 1: know it does get gross in some areas, it's such
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Speaker 1: a classic. I feel like I'm missing out by not
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Speaker 1: reading it watching it. There's a well, I mean, yeah,
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Speaker 1: it's too differ and experiences, right, because the book is
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Speaker 1: very different from the movie, in fact, so much so
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Speaker 1: that Stephen King was famously upset at Stanley Kubrick for
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Speaker 1: the changes that Kubrick made to the story. Though I
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Speaker 1: would argue that Kubrick's changes for the most part work
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Speaker 1: well with one one exception. One thing that is a
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Speaker 1: problem I think early on in the movie, but that's
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Speaker 1: largely due to casting and not necessarily the film itself.
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Speaker 1: The Shining is a truly pivotal, important pop culture thing.
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Speaker 1: I mean, there's so many references to The Shining in
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Speaker 1: pop culture, uh that I think by the time you
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Speaker 1: finally do sit down to watch it, you're gonna have
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Speaker 1: the feeling of I've seen of this movie already, just
18:45
Speaker 1: through the cultural touchstones, you know, like Red Rum and
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Speaker 1: stuff like that, and here's Johnny and all that kind
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Speaker 1: of stuff. Yeah, and I know it transcends geek culture,
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Speaker 1: but most of the people who I know who are
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Speaker 1: Stephen King fans are geeks, and so for me it
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Speaker 1: just fits right in. Yeah, no, I think I think
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Speaker 1: horror geek fits in with other types of geeks. I mean,
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Speaker 1: most of the conventions we go to, horror ends up playing,
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Speaker 1: you know, a pretty big role in the various panels
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Speaker 1: and discussions. It's usually I would argue that it's normally
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Speaker 1: a little a tear below science fiction and fantasy and
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Speaker 1: most like in most mainstream conventions. But there are also
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Speaker 1: you know, horror centric conventions out there too, and and
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Speaker 1: horror so often intersects with fantasy or science fiction. Well, yeah,
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Speaker 1: I agree. I think the shining is something you need
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Speaker 1: to experience, but it needs to be experienced in your
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Speaker 1: own time. No one should be rushed, and there's no
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Speaker 1: there's no time limit on when you can experience something
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Speaker 1: for the first time. So, just as a gentle reminder
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Speaker 1: to our dear listeners out there, if you hear that
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Speaker 1: somebody hasn't had a specific experience that you think they
19:53
Speaker 1: would really dig, then the best reaction is probably not
19:57
Speaker 1: to say, why haven't you done that yet? It should
19:59
Speaker 1: be I am so excited that you get a chance
20:02
Speaker 1: to see this or experience this. That's that's that's a
20:06
Speaker 1: better way to go about it because it doesn't put
20:08
Speaker 1: someone on the defensive and it lets you share in
20:10
Speaker 1: their excitement to experience something for the first time. So
20:14
Speaker 1: that's me on my soapbox. I gotta get down with
20:16
Speaker 1: the soapbox because we're gonna need to take a quick
20:18
Speaker 1: break and when we come back, Yep, we're gonna go
20:21
Speaker 1: and talk about some musicals. Yeah, all right, so we're back,
20:37
Speaker 1: and like Jonathan said, we're going to talk about some musicals,
20:40
Speaker 1: but specifically television and movie musicals that are not musicals
20:48
Speaker 1: by nature for them most So we're talking about shows
20:51
Speaker 1: and stuff that have occasionally dipped their toe into the musical,
20:56
Speaker 1: you know, pool But this would leave out stuff like Glee.
21:00
Speaker 1: Glee doesn't count really because Glee was structured to be
21:04
Speaker 1: kind of sort of a musical. Like it also really
21:08
Speaker 1: helps us kind of get our minds around what we
21:10
Speaker 1: think of as a musical. Actually, I think that's a
21:12
Speaker 1: good place to start. Aerial Uh for you what what
21:18
Speaker 1: what makes something a musical for you as opposed to
21:20
Speaker 1: something that has music and maybe even singing in it
21:25
Speaker 1: for me, and I think you and I have discussed this,
21:27
Speaker 1: so we haven't necessarily discussed it with our audience. A
21:31
Speaker 1: musical is a story where the plot is furthered by singing.
21:37
Speaker 1: And I think you and I have agreed in the
21:39
Speaker 1: past that a good musical is when the music comes
21:43
Speaker 1: in when the characters emotions are so strong that they
21:46
Speaker 1: have no other way to express themselves. So, you know,
21:50
Speaker 1: there are jukebox musicals and if you can, where you
21:53
Speaker 1: take pre pre made music, music that was not made
21:58
Speaker 1: with the intent of it being in a musical, for
22:01
Speaker 1: instance Jersey Boys, and you plug it in to fit
22:05
Speaker 1: certain situations and you can use that music to further
22:09
Speaker 1: a plot. And some jukebo music musicals are fun. Mamma
22:13
Speaker 1: Mia is a lot of fun. But to me, a
22:16
Speaker 1: really good musical is one where you're driving the plot
22:20
Speaker 1: and you're driving, you're learning things through this music that
22:23
Speaker 1: just bubbles out at heights of emotion. Yeah, I agree
22:25
Speaker 1: with that. I think that a real musical is one
22:28
Speaker 1: where the songs either further the plot or they tell
22:31
Speaker 1: you something important about the character. One of the at
22:35
Speaker 1: least one of those two things should happen. Maybe both.
22:37
Speaker 1: If you're really good, you get both done in one song.
22:41
Speaker 1: Occasionally you get songs that fall into general categories, like
22:45
Speaker 1: there's the I Want song, which is where you learn
22:48
Speaker 1: whatever either it's the protagonist or it might be the antagonist,
22:51
Speaker 1: but you learn what it is that they desperately want
22:54
Speaker 1: and what is going to drive their their motivations and
22:57
Speaker 1: their actions moving forward. Uh, you know you've ut. And
23:00
Speaker 1: then there are a lot of songs in musicals, like
23:02
Speaker 1: theater musicals, they have a specific purpose where like there's
23:07
Speaker 1: a longstanding joke that the first song after intermission is
23:11
Speaker 1: one that has no real impact to the story of
23:15
Speaker 1: the play because you're literally just filling up time where
23:19
Speaker 1: people are coming back to their seats. So like that's
23:22
Speaker 1: that's a that's a gag, but it's true. It is true, Yeah,
23:26
Speaker 1: because a lot of people do not return to their
23:27
Speaker 1: seats when they're supposed to. The women's restroom line is
23:30
Speaker 1: so long that the lights flash, and yeah, you're like,
23:33
Speaker 1: you're like, listen, I cannot sit through another hour of
23:36
Speaker 1: Jean Valjean singing in his high pitched voice if I
23:39
Speaker 1: don't go to the loo. So so I agree with you, Ariel.
23:44
Speaker 1: I think that, you know, a really good musical puts
23:47
Speaker 1: those thoughts at the heart of the story, and jukebox
23:51
Speaker 1: musicals can do that. It's just harder because in that case,
23:55
Speaker 1: you've you're you're kind of shaping the story around the
23:58
Speaker 1: songs that you have, as opposed to crafting songs that
24:01
Speaker 1: help you tell the story you want to tell. Yeah.
24:04
Speaker 1: I mean, well, that is a great landmark of a
24:06
Speaker 1: really good songwriter or band or group if they can
24:09
Speaker 1: create songs that spark your imagination in that way that
24:13
Speaker 1: you want to create entire stories around them. Uh, you know.
24:17
Speaker 1: And you and I both love musicals. I really like
24:21
Speaker 1: when shows decided to be a musical. One of my
24:24
Speaker 1: favorite TV shows I would consider musical, which is Gallivant. Yes, yes,
24:29
Speaker 1: Galivant is a musical, and it it falls, It follows
24:32
Speaker 1: the rules, and it shouldn't be any surprise. I mean,
24:34
Speaker 1: you had Lincoln, one of the one of the pair
24:38
Speaker 1: of Ashman and Lincoln who were part of the Disney
24:41
Speaker 1: renaissance with the Little Mermaid and Beauty and the Beast
24:43
Speaker 1: in Aladdin, as as one as one of the people
24:47
Speaker 1: working on that show, so you would expect it to
24:49
Speaker 1: have those qualities and Galivant was very tongue in cheek.
24:52
Speaker 1: It was very meta, and it's in its approach to
24:55
Speaker 1: fantasy tropes and trying to subvert those in fun way.
25:00
Speaker 1: Is not every episode was a total winner, but the
25:03
Speaker 1: really good ones were genuinely really good, and the songs
25:06
Speaker 1: were always fun. I mean, any any show that casts
25:09
Speaker 1: weird Al Yankovic as a singing monk has got got
25:13
Speaker 1: my vote. Uh so, yeah, that's like that was a
25:15
Speaker 1: really fun one and it was a shame that we
25:17
Speaker 1: only got two seasons of it. Yeah, I agree. There
25:21
Speaker 1: have been some other shows that have tried to veer
25:24
Speaker 1: into the straight up musical genres, such as Crazy Ex
25:27
Speaker 1: Girlfriend or is Always Extraordinary Playlist, But most TV shows
25:33
Speaker 1: either incorporate music here and there throughout because the actors
25:36
Speaker 1: also enjoy musical theater and music, or they just toyed
25:41
Speaker 1: the idea of having a musical episode for the funzies
25:45
Speaker 1: of it. Yeah, and it's fun to also see when
25:48
Speaker 1: they try and justify that, like how they justify it.
25:51
Speaker 1: Different shows have done it in different ways, so for example,
25:54
Speaker 1: Buffy the Vampire Slayer, which had one of the best
25:57
Speaker 1: musical episodes of a non musical show, of all time
26:00
Speaker 1: once more with feeling. Uh. They did it because a
26:04
Speaker 1: demon was in the town and the demon's enchantment caused
26:09
Speaker 1: people to sing their innermost thoughts and desires. So people
26:15
Speaker 1: were incapable of holding their thoughts and they had to
26:18
Speaker 1: sing them out when they rose to the surface, And
26:21
Speaker 1: so people would would learn each other's you know, inner motivations,
26:25
Speaker 1: which further the drama for the rest of the season
26:29
Speaker 1: of Buffy the Vampire Slayer. So it ended up playing
26:32
Speaker 1: a lasting part in the series. It wasn't just a
26:34
Speaker 1: little one off thing that was fun and curious and
26:38
Speaker 1: then never talked about again. It had long lasting impact
26:43
Speaker 1: for the characters in that series. It was really well
26:46
Speaker 1: done for a series where I would say the majority
26:48
Speaker 1: of the actors were not actually singers. Yeah, yeah, you
26:51
Speaker 1: had a couple. You had a couple of really strong ones,
26:54
Speaker 1: you know. Amber Benson was playing Taro's very strong Giles
26:58
Speaker 1: who has played character is like Dr Frankenfurter and Rocky
27:02
Speaker 1: Horror Uh, Anthony Stewart Head brother to Murray Head who
27:06
Speaker 1: was in Chess uh and and Jesus Christ Superstar. I mean,
27:10
Speaker 1: like there are a couple of legit like Superstar singers
27:14
Speaker 1: in there, but most of them weren't. Anthony Stewart Head
27:17
Speaker 1: was also in although a very small part, in the
27:20
Speaker 1: Sweeney Todd with Johnny Depp. He was also in repo
27:24
Speaker 1: the Genetic Opera I was gonna say, which not very
27:29
Speaker 1: very low on the list of musicals for me, but
27:33
Speaker 1: it's got Paris Hilton in it. Come on that, that's
27:36
Speaker 1: like top notch entertainment. Uh So. Another great example would
27:40
Speaker 1: be Scrubs. Scrubs had a musical episode where they framed
27:43
Speaker 1: it where there was a patient who comes in who
27:47
Speaker 1: has uh had an event happened to her where for
27:53
Speaker 1: some reason she perceives all the people around her singing.
27:57
Speaker 1: And so in that episode, the ideas that people are
28:01
Speaker 1: not actually singing in the in the quote unquote real world,
28:04
Speaker 1: but we're seeing it through her perception. So in that sense,
28:09
Speaker 1: we get a bunch of musical numbers. And again it's
28:11
Speaker 1: because you know, people exact love musicals, and so they
28:15
Speaker 1: did a whole bunch of different songs and that one
28:18
Speaker 1: was a lot of fun too, and also really and
28:22
Speaker 1: more played into things that we already knew about the characters.
28:25
Speaker 1: I don't think we've got a lot of revelation from
28:28
Speaker 1: that one, but we wouldn't expect it because it's being
28:30
Speaker 1: seen through someone who just got there. So but I
28:33
Speaker 1: do think it was a clever way to incorporate, Hey,
28:36
Speaker 1: I want a musical episode, is to give it that
28:39
Speaker 1: that justification. I mean, we've got an entire and so
28:43
Speaker 1: easy extraordinary playlist is all about uh woman who hears
28:48
Speaker 1: everybody's internal thoughts as songs, so kind of the scrub
28:52
Speaker 1: story expanded, you know. And then you've got like the
28:56
Speaker 1: Flash and super Girl crossover, which I think was an
29:00
Speaker 1: alternate universe quite honestly, I did watch it, but I
29:03
Speaker 1: was so excited because it was just full of amazing
29:07
Speaker 1: singers who have been on Broadway. The kid who play
29:10
Speaker 1: Cisco was in once, Victor Garber was in it all,
29:15
Speaker 1: you know, and Supergirl and The Flash themselves also were
29:19
Speaker 1: on gleees. So it was just an episode where they're saying,
29:23
Speaker 1: we've got all of these talented actors who are also
29:25
Speaker 1: very talented singers, let's give them a reason to sing.
29:28
Speaker 1: And then it was also very like Mobster speakeasy ish.
29:31
Speaker 1: So I really liked that episode. I I don't know
29:35
Speaker 1: whether I prefer I know that when I watch adaptations
29:41
Speaker 1: of movies like Disney's to be Off on a Little
29:45
Speaker 1: Bunny Show, what I watched Disney Duo live action adaptation.
29:50
Speaker 1: Sometimes they'll focus more on the actors than on this,
29:53
Speaker 1: on the acting part than the singing part, and I
29:55
Speaker 1: feel like the singing suffers. But I don't feel the
29:59
Speaker 1: same way and tell vision as much as I go,
30:01
Speaker 1: I want to see these people singing in a musical
30:03
Speaker 1: episode because they're amazing. You can have something like Buffy
30:06
Speaker 1: or Scrubs, are even psych although to meet the odd
30:09
Speaker 1: Mdsen who is in psych in and Gallivant is an
30:12
Speaker 1: amazing singer, and go. I'm just so excited to see
30:16
Speaker 1: these characters interact in this media that I love so
30:20
Speaker 1: much that it doesn't matter to me if they're a
30:22
Speaker 1: good singer. And of course there are there are other
30:24
Speaker 1: methods of incorporating musicals into shows. There are several shows
30:27
Speaker 1: where within the show the characters are mounting a musical
30:32
Speaker 1: and that makes it really easy to have, you know,
30:35
Speaker 1: music in the show. You don't have to find some
30:37
Speaker 1: weird justification for why everyone is suddenly singing. It's actually
30:41
Speaker 1: built into the premise of the plot itself. So the
30:44
Speaker 1: perfect example of this, I would argue possibly the best
30:49
Speaker 1: version of a musical within an episode ever is of
30:52
Speaker 1: Course The night Man Cometh from It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia,
30:57
Speaker 1: possibly the best episode that has ever been made for televison, Jean,
31:01
Speaker 1: especially if you've ever been in theater. If you've not
31:04
Speaker 1: only let me let me amend that, if you have
31:07
Speaker 1: ever directed any musical theater. Yes, you will feel so
31:12
Speaker 1: much sympathy for Charlie in that episode up until the
31:17
Speaker 1: end of it. But but you feel so much sympathy
31:19
Speaker 1: because I have directed a musical and I was watching
31:23
Speaker 1: that thinking this is so real it hurts. I would
31:28
Speaker 1: have to agree with you. Often Always Stunny in Philadelphia
31:31
Speaker 1: is too crass for me, But it really was so
31:34
Speaker 1: genuine in its musical episode of of the Nightmare come
31:38
Speaker 1: with of this is how mounting a musical works on
31:42
Speaker 1: a community level that it was frustrating and delighting all
31:46
Speaker 1: at the same time. Uh Supernatural also had an episode
31:50
Speaker 1: where they mounted a musical. Rather, it was a girls
31:55
Speaker 1: school mounting a musical of the comic series written about
32:00
Speaker 1: Winchester Brothers. Uh On On a at the time prophet
32:05
Speaker 1: who knew the Winchester story and was writing about it. Yes,
32:08
Speaker 1: so the Winchesters adventures were being written into book form,
32:13
Speaker 1: so there was within the world of Supernatural the the
32:17
Speaker 1: other characters of Supernatural. Uh knew of the Winchesters, but
32:21
Speaker 1: a lot of people just knew of them as the
32:23
Speaker 1: characters in this book series that became crazy popular. Yeah,
32:27
Speaker 1: and would argue with them about points in their own life.
32:29
Speaker 1: But I would say the musical and always study in
32:32
Speaker 1: Philadelphia while it was crass or it was stronger than
32:34
Speaker 1: the one in Supernatural. Although you did get the song
32:37
Speaker 1: single Manned Tire in the Supernatural episode, which was pretty brilliant. Uh,
32:43
Speaker 1: The songs weren't as strong, but it was pretty funny.
32:46
Speaker 1: My favorite episodes of Supernaturally are the ones where they
32:48
Speaker 1: kind of break that third wall and play with you
32:53
Speaker 1: on how ridiculous it is. And and that was a
32:55
Speaker 1: prime example of it, when they're making fun of themselves. Uh.
32:59
Speaker 1: And you mentioned already crazy ex girlfriend. But I just
33:01
Speaker 1: want to give a special shout out because that show,
33:05
Speaker 1: uh was so good. It was one that I didn't
33:09
Speaker 1: initially appreciate that much. Uh, Like, I thought it was good,
33:14
Speaker 1: but I also thought it was hard to watch, and
33:16
Speaker 1: it was hard to connect with characters, but it was
33:19
Speaker 1: a long play and the revelations of the main character.
33:24
Speaker 1: There's a point where you go on that journey with
33:26
Speaker 1: her and you are you realize why she is the
33:30
Speaker 1: way she is, and you are way more on her
33:33
Speaker 1: side at that point than you have been previously. And
33:36
Speaker 1: um like the fact that the show itself didn't shy
33:39
Speaker 1: away from criticizing its own protagonist, like in the song
33:44
Speaker 1: She's sang, she was setting herself up for the criticism.
33:48
Speaker 1: And it has one of my favorite through lines of
33:53
Speaker 1: any show that's a musical as well, which is the
33:56
Speaker 1: Santa Ana Winds episode, only because the actor got to
34:00
Speaker 1: play the Santa Ana Wins. He plays the Santa Ana Wins.
34:04
Speaker 1: He's the embodiment of them. He's like a low key
34:07
Speaker 1: type character of mischief. Um. And he is played by
34:11
Speaker 1: a guy who had been in Jersey Boys, So he's
34:15
Speaker 1: singing like Frankie Valley. He's hitting those super high falsetto
34:19
Speaker 1: notes and he's singing about being the Wins and making
34:21
Speaker 1: people do weird stuff. And so the the the whole
34:25
Speaker 1: thing is, it's it's the main character who is blaming
34:29
Speaker 1: her her behaviors on external forces. In this case, the
34:33
Speaker 1: Santa Ana winds and the Santa Ana wins at the
34:35
Speaker 1: end of it says like, no, seriously, this is all you.
34:38
Speaker 1: I'm just here, you know, like it's you're You're the
34:42
Speaker 1: one who's making these choices, and but it is. It
34:46
Speaker 1: is legit like a joyful experience to watch that sequence
34:50
Speaker 1: because the actor playing the Santa Anna wins is so
34:54
Speaker 1: good at the choreography and the singing, and it's it's
34:56
Speaker 1: doo wop, which also hits a soft spot in my heart.
34:59
Speaker 1: I happen they really love that genre, so so that
35:03
Speaker 1: is Uh. There's a their YouTube videos where you can
35:05
Speaker 1: watch all the little Santa and a Win interstitials back
35:08
Speaker 1: to back, so if you just want to get a
35:11
Speaker 1: feel for that, you can do it. I have watched
35:13
Speaker 1: that possibly fifty times in a row, I don't know,
35:17
Speaker 1: but um yeah, I'm a big fan. I'm a big
35:19
Speaker 1: fan of these sort of things too. There shows that
35:22
Speaker 1: have done it poorly. Um, there are shows that have
35:25
Speaker 1: only kind of toyed with it or didn't even bother
35:27
Speaker 1: to explain why it happened. How I met your mother,
35:30
Speaker 1: I would argue goes in that direction, largely because Neil
35:33
Speaker 1: Patrick Harris was in it, Yeah, Neil Patrick Harrison also
35:36
Speaker 1: Jason Segal, who loves musical stuff yes writes music where
35:40
Speaker 1: they famously would do the The dual duet scene from
35:45
Speaker 1: Lams Together. You just You Just Got slapped is one
35:49
Speaker 1: of my favorite through lines of a show. Now that
35:52
Speaker 1: we've talked about this, do you prefer shows that are
35:55
Speaker 1: musical musical episodes or shows where they put a musical
35:58
Speaker 1: on or have occasional musical bursts. I think I think
36:03
Speaker 1: as long as it's done well, I don't really care
36:06
Speaker 1: what version it takes. Like I as someone who loves musicals,
36:11
Speaker 1: I love the pure musical first and foremost. That's like
36:14
Speaker 1: my favorite approach. But there are also ones where, like
36:18
Speaker 1: The Nightman Cometh, where it's it's you know, it's the
36:21
Speaker 1: fact that they're putting on a musical that has its
36:24
Speaker 1: own appeal to me, and it gets into that meta side,
36:27
Speaker 1: you know. I mentioned in a in another episode the
36:30
Speaker 1: show Noises off Um that that sort of thing is
36:34
Speaker 1: another meta commentary on the process of making theater. And
36:38
Speaker 1: we see this a lot, like we see it a
36:40
Speaker 1: lot in Hollywood, we see it a lot in plays,
36:43
Speaker 1: we see a lot in books where people are writing
36:46
Speaker 1: about the thing that they do, and that becomes the
36:49
Speaker 1: story that plays out, which limits your audience a little
36:52
Speaker 1: bit because if you're not someone who does that, that
36:54
Speaker 1: doesn't really matter to you. But but I I really
36:57
Speaker 1: appreciate it from that standpoint, What about you? Yeah, I
37:01
Speaker 1: think I like when it is sprinkled throughout here and
37:06
Speaker 1: there because it gives me something to look forward to.
37:09
Speaker 1: How I met your mother? I think does the best
37:10
Speaker 1: best of it for me because they'll occasionally have little
37:14
Speaker 1: musical numbers pop up, and it's always a delight when
37:16
Speaker 1: it does, and I know that it may not be
37:18
Speaker 1: the last one, whereas when I watch Buffy or Psych
37:21
Speaker 1: or Scrubs, I'm like, this is this is going to
37:23
Speaker 1: be the one musical episode. You might occasionally have characters
37:28
Speaker 1: who will sing something briefly, like Scrubs did a few
37:31
Speaker 1: times where they had the blanks, the acapella groups singing stuff,
37:34
Speaker 1: or they would have people singing typically a minute work
37:38
Speaker 1: song um or that, or a ratier because they did
37:41
Speaker 1: respect in the first season, but it was more rare
37:44
Speaker 1: than something that would happen in every episode. Yeah, no,
37:48
Speaker 1: I I get it. Well, when we come back, we're
37:51
Speaker 1: going to do a musical mash up of a couple
37:54
Speaker 1: of things, ourselves, taking one unjustifiably famous music goal and
38:00
Speaker 1: mashing it up with a justifiably arguably famous piece of fiction.
38:05
Speaker 1: But first, let's take a quick break. Okay, So we
38:26
Speaker 1: are mashing up the two properties of Cats musical and
38:33
Speaker 1: Game of Thrones. And this was a decision that I
38:38
Speaker 1: can't remember why we made it, but we're gonna do
38:41
Speaker 1: it now. Um. I think we decided just to be
38:46
Speaker 1: we needed a musical since we're talking about musical things,
38:50
Speaker 1: and we chose to be as ridiculous as possible, which
38:53
Speaker 1: made for really difficult time writing a mash up. Yeah,
38:57
Speaker 1: and then we we decided to go with like something
38:59
Speaker 1: that was truly not musical, and Game of Thrones really
39:02
Speaker 1: fit the bill there, Um, unless you're talking about what
39:05
Speaker 1: was it add something or other? Sharon Yes, who was
39:09
Speaker 1: in in a couple of episodes. Um. See. Now here's
39:12
Speaker 1: the thing. Though, I only watched the very first episode
39:14
Speaker 1: of Game of Thrones, but I read all the books
39:16
Speaker 1: that have been published up to this point, So for me,
39:19
Speaker 1: like I, I tend to fall more on the books
39:21
Speaker 1: than the television series. I know what happened in the
39:23
Speaker 1: TV series because I'm a human being who has the
39:26
Speaker 1: ability to access the Internet. But I wasn't following it
39:31
Speaker 1: uh wholeheartedly. But we should probably give a quick rundown
39:34
Speaker 1: on what each of these things are. I call cats, Okay, okay. So,
39:40
Speaker 1: so Cats is based off of a T. S. Eliott
39:43
Speaker 1: series of poems. Has a couple of original pieces in
39:46
Speaker 1: it too, but the poems were all individual poems about
39:50
Speaker 1: cats and and cats that sometimes interact with dogs and
39:55
Speaker 1: sometimes other stuff too, But it's typically just a bunch
39:59
Speaker 1: of poems that introduce various cats. Uh. Andrew Lloyd Webber
40:03
Speaker 1: loved the book of poems and he grew up reading them,
40:07
Speaker 1: and he wanted to make a musical, and he decided
40:11
Speaker 1: along with producers, that they were going to make a
40:13
Speaker 1: musical about cats. And then they strung together a bunch
40:17
Speaker 1: of mostly unrelated poems. The poems are related in the
40:20
Speaker 1: sense that they're about cats, but they're not like it's
40:23
Speaker 1: not like a story. They wanted to weave them together
40:26
Speaker 1: to make a narrative. So this really is like a
40:28
Speaker 1: jukebox musical, except in this case the jukebox isn't songs
40:32
Speaker 1: but poems that have been set to music and then
40:35
Speaker 1: tell the story about cats who are trying to reach
40:38
Speaker 1: the heavy side layer, which is this idea of being
40:42
Speaker 1: essentially dying and being reborn into a new life. So
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Speaker 1: my friend describes it as a show where each of
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Speaker 1: the main characters takes turn introducing themselves until one of
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Speaker 1: them dies. That's pretty that's pretty true. It's not too
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Speaker 1: dio similar from Game of Thrones either, where you introduced
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Speaker 1: a whole bunch of characters and then kill them off.
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Speaker 1: So Game of Thrones is a fantasy novel series by
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Speaker 1: George R. R. Martin. It introduces a ton of characters
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Speaker 1: and it kills them all as they're all fighting to
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Speaker 1: gain control of the kingdoms via the Iron Throne. There's dragons,
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Speaker 1: there's sexy times, there's not so sexy sexy times. There's
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Speaker 1: lots of murder, and HBO made a show about Yeah,
41:25
Speaker 1: it's it's like, it's like dark fantasy in a way,
41:28
Speaker 1: and yeah, it involves a lot of intrigue and a
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Speaker 1: lot of betrayal and eventually will teach you the lesson
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Speaker 1: that if you're a good person, you're gonna die. You're
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Speaker 1: not like, good people do not last long. In that series,
41:45
Speaker 1: the less good you are, the more likely old stick
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Speaker 1: around at least for a while. You'll you will eventually
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Speaker 1: die too, and they'll probably be horrible, but you'll outlast
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Speaker 1: most of the other characters. Yeah. Yeah, so well, so
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Speaker 1: I wanna who want to go? Do you want me
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Speaker 1: to go first? This time? I tend to go second,
42:03
Speaker 1: but I don't know. If you want me to go
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Speaker 1: second again, you can you can go first, Okay, alright, So,
42:08
Speaker 1: so I have decided to do mine as a series
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Speaker 1: of unconnected uh vignettes, much like Cats and um, this
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Speaker 1: is sort of my pitch for a Game of Thrones
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Speaker 1: Cats crossover musical and Um, I'm gonna be giving you
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Speaker 1: sort of a reading of a musical. If you've seen
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Speaker 1: Gutenberg the musical, That's exactly what I'm about to do
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Speaker 1: to you, and that I am going to, as the
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Speaker 1: sole creator of this amazing show, give you the rundown
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Speaker 1: of what's happening. So first thing you have to do
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Speaker 1: is you have to introduce the whole concept of your show.
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Speaker 1: And Cats, this is done with the naming of cats.
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Speaker 1: They explain how cats are named, and so this is
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Speaker 1: this is how I would start off the Game of
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Speaker 1: Thrones cats version. Here he goes. The gaming of Thrones
42:57
Speaker 1: is a difficult matter. It isn't just one of political games.
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Speaker 1: You may think at first the batties can't get much better,
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Speaker 1: will I tell you? Just wait for the final few frames.
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Speaker 1: First of all, there's the Starks who rule up in
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Speaker 1: snow Land. There's ned and Aria and a bunch who
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Speaker 1: all die. I guess that's a spoiler, but that's how
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Speaker 1: it goes. Man. If I said your favorite lives, it's
43:18
Speaker 1: probably a lie. There are other houses if you prefer
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Speaker 1: more choices. There's Targery in Terrail, Beratheon and Frey House.
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Speaker 1: Mormont likes to raise up their voices and great joy
43:29
Speaker 1: sticks around for most of the way, so you see,
43:32
Speaker 1: you can see where that's going. See, I'm just giving
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Speaker 1: you the quick pitch here. But then you have to
43:36
Speaker 1: start like really introducing your characters and getting to know
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Speaker 1: who they are. Now. Obviously in Game of Thrones, one
43:42
Speaker 1: of the really important groups of characters come from the
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Speaker 1: house Lanister. Right, So I took the song the cavity,
43:50
Speaker 1: and I made a couple of little choices. So it
43:51
Speaker 1: goes um the Lanisters, the Landisters. There's no unlike the Landisters.
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Speaker 1: All of the them will pay their debts and throw
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Speaker 1: you from the banisters. You might meet them at King's Landing.
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Speaker 1: They're all always close at hand, but out of that
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Speaker 1: entire bunch, it's the short one I can stand. So
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Speaker 1: that's that's introducing the Lanisers, but you also you also
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Speaker 1: have to introduce other characters who may not be around
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Speaker 1: for very long. One of the characters and cats who
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Speaker 1: you get the feeling is getting real close, probably to
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Speaker 1: the end of his life as Gus, the theater cat.
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Speaker 1: So I took that one and I decided to apply
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Speaker 1: it to another beloved character from the book series who
44:35
Speaker 1: I think was given too short a treatment in the
44:38
Speaker 1: television series. So here we go. Hm. Kate is the
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Speaker 1: Stark who got a raw deal, and the books she's
44:47
Speaker 1: a zombie. I mean that for real. In the show
44:52
Speaker 1: she gets killed during a wedding that's read, but in
44:57
Speaker 1: the books she's a gal who just won't stay dead.
45:02
Speaker 1: That's another spoiler if you don't know about Lady stone Heart, okay,
45:04
Speaker 1: and then you have to go through There's a song
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Speaker 1: called Old Deuteronomy in cats Um that gives you some
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Speaker 1: information about Old Dinner on me. I thought you also
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Speaker 1: are gonna need some songs that continue the plot and
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Speaker 1: explain magic in the world. So I just got this
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Speaker 1: really quick little snippet to kind of give you that idea,
45:21
Speaker 1: because well, of all things, can it be really no? Yes?
45:28
Speaker 1: So high? Oh my eye, my mind, baby wandering. But
45:34
Speaker 1: I confess I believe dragons are eating my thigh. So
45:39
Speaker 1: you know that we got introduced the dragons into the story.
45:42
Speaker 1: And then you know there's certain characters that you just
45:45
Speaker 1: gotta figure out, like how are you gonna throw them
45:47
Speaker 1: in there? Uh? Mr Mustaphiles in Cats is a very
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Speaker 1: mischievous cat, but we have a very mischievous character in
45:54
Speaker 1: Game of Thrones. So uh and we all say, oh, well,
45:58
Speaker 1: never was there? Ever? That's so clever is that jerk
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Speaker 1: named little Finger. So you see, like through the process
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Speaker 1: of these songs, we will eventually introduce everyone and then
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Speaker 1: the last one will just you know, kill them all off,
46:13
Speaker 1: and that way we will mesh together Cats and and
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Speaker 1: Game of Thrones. Really, Cats and Game of Thrones are
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Speaker 1: very similar, except in Game of Thrones more than fifty
46:24
Speaker 1: of your cast has already reached the heavy side layer
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Speaker 1: before you go to intermission. Yeah, that was my take. Oh,
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Speaker 1: that is much better than mine. We don't even have
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Speaker 1: to do mine. Okay, So this is called Mungo jaremandering
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Speaker 1: for the Throne. All right, I love the title, Thank you.
46:45
Speaker 1: I feel like the titles are my strong points. So
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Speaker 1: Mungo Jamie and Rumpel Cercy lanis Per are two ambitious
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Speaker 1: cats who want to rule the Iron Throne a k a.
46:55
Speaker 1: The Heavy side chair. Iron thrones are heavy man It
46:58
Speaker 1: sits in a particularly powerful sunbeam, and it's there's It
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Speaker 1: used to be the house of bomber Athian, but he
47:05
Speaker 1: was crappit hunting and got kicked out. Little do they
47:08
Speaker 1: know there are a bunch of other cats who are
47:09
Speaker 1: also trying to sneak into the lenas Per household to
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Speaker 1: take the throne. You have Rob Skimble, Stark Grizzle, Sandra Calico,
47:18
Speaker 1: Drogo Monka Sanza, rum Tum Terry and Jelly Theon Gray Joy,
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Speaker 1: Charlie Bucketty Maccaveris, Mr Martel of fels Old bail Ashronomy
47:28
Speaker 1: and Jaquenanny Dots. The problem is that there are so
47:31
Speaker 1: many of them it's hard to keep them all straight
47:34
Speaker 1: and tell them all apart. Fast forward through a bunch
47:37
Speaker 1: of west side story as cat fights and catterwalling. After
47:40
Speaker 1: the dust settles, it looks like Denaris Denaire hiss Tiger
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Speaker 1: Gary in a flame Point might succeed in taking the
47:48
Speaker 1: iron throne by releasing a bunch of big lizards into
47:51
Speaker 1: the house to scare the owners out. However, she's killed
47:54
Speaker 1: by a sad snowshoe cat named John Uh. And in
47:57
Speaker 1: the end, after the cats cause too much destruction, house
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Speaker 1: beside area more of a bird household anyhow, and now
48:03
Speaker 1: of the cats get the throne. Uh epilogue, there's one
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Speaker 1: solo cat left on the wall in the north, singing,
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Speaker 1: I'm a night's watch holos on on this big wall
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Speaker 1: with the wide walker's gone. Now I am cold and
48:20
Speaker 1: I'm bored. When the day comes, maybe they'll remember I'm here.
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Speaker 1: Now a new rain has be gone. Beautiful okay, Like
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Speaker 1: the names and puns are phenomenal, and the and the
48:43
Speaker 1: throne in the sunbeam a beautiful touch. I think I
48:47
Speaker 1: think with that we're going to have to sign off.
48:49
Speaker 1: If you guys have ideas of how Game of Thrones
48:51
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48:54
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49:43
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49:47
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