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The Sound of Healing: Christopher Mitchell’s Journey Through Music and Faith · Just Heal with Dr Jay

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  Speaker 1: Welcome to jess Here with Doctor J, a production of
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  Speaker 1: another episode of Just Here with Doctor J. And I
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  Speaker 1: am your host, Doctor J.
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  Speaker 2: Barnett.
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  Speaker 1: So, I have had a unique journey of meeting some
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  Speaker 1: amazing people, some amazing dope talented brothers. And I'm excited
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  Speaker 1: about my guest today because he's a brother that I
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  Speaker 1: met many years ago when I was living in Sugarland, Texas,
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  Speaker 1: and we actually kind of started our journey at the
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  Speaker 1: same time, our journey of healing, self discovery, our journey
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  Speaker 1: of just like wanting more. I was on my journey
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  Speaker 1: of going to therapy, and what I would do I
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  Speaker 1: would go to the Town Center and just sit at
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  Speaker 1: the Town Center and just sit by myself. And one
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  Speaker 1: night I went out set at the Town Center and
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  Speaker 1: I heard a sound and it was a sound that
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  Speaker 1: I'm telling you, man, I love musical instruments. And I
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  Speaker 1: heard a brother playing the saxophone. And I heard a
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  Speaker 1: brother that was playing a sound. I said, I gotta
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  Speaker 1: go meet this brother. Met the brother. We talked that night.
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  Speaker 1: At that time, he was taking tips. He was taking tips,
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  Speaker 1: and I was like, man, let me get his brother
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  Speaker 1: ten dollars, man, because his brother's killing it. But now
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  Speaker 1: this brother is not just collecting tips. This brother is
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  Speaker 1: collecting bags because he's all over the world. And I'm
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  Speaker 1: so excited to have my brother and friend. The amazing, talented,
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  Speaker 1: gifted saxophone is Chris Mitchell.
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  Speaker 2: Man, welcome my brother.
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  Speaker 3: Thanks for having me, man, this has been a pleasure
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  Speaker 3: to be here.
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  Speaker 2: Man.
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  Speaker 1: Now, before we get started, Now, that is a saxophone, right,
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  Speaker 1: soprano saxophone. Okay, So what's the difference between that saxophone
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  Speaker 1: and the one that's just kind of like the kind
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  Speaker 1: of J shape.
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  Speaker 3: All right, So it's like a choir. You got soprano,
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  Speaker 3: alto and tenor the divorces. Yeah, so with the saxophone
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  Speaker 3: is similar to that. So soprano saxophone will be like
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  Speaker 3: the sopranos, an acquire altos, like the alto's an acquire
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  Speaker 3: tenor and bolkalo. So this is more of a brighter sound,
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  Speaker 3: more of a higher pitch, you know, her octive sound.
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  Speaker 1: So yeah, wow, man, listen, I just wanted y'all to
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  Speaker 1: have that quick moment, because quick teaching moment, because I
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  Speaker 1: didn't know what it was.
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  Speaker 2: I didn't know that. I knew it was a saxophone,
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  Speaker 2: but I didn't know what type. Man.
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  Speaker 1: So, brother, I am so excited to have you joining
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  Speaker 1: the Just Hell podcast. Man, we have been friends for
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  Speaker 1: ten plus years.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, over a decade.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, over a decade.
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  Speaker 1: And to see your journey and to see your growth,
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  Speaker 1: to see your name be on Arenas, it's something amazing, man,
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  Speaker 1: because I remember using sugar Land playing in front of
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  Speaker 1: that court restaurant, Turkoise restaurant and what was it Mediterranean restaurant. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: And to see where you are now, brother, I'm so
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  Speaker 1: proud of you, man.
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  Speaker 3: I appreciate it.
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  Speaker 2: Man.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, that was the start of my journey because I
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  Speaker 3: graduated right after the recession from college. I was jobbings
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  Speaker 3: for two years. A lot of stories. You didn't know
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  Speaker 3: that I haven't told you, but when you saw me
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  Speaker 3: that day, I just started playing on the sidewalks seven
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  Speaker 3: days a week, eight to ten hours a day. I
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  Speaker 3: was playing for tips. Only to two years of not
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  Speaker 3: finding a job after the recession was a problem for me.
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  Speaker 3: My car was stolen. All my instruments in there. Right
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  Speaker 3: after I left church. I was playing at church for
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  Speaker 3: you know, twenty five dollars a Sunday at a time,
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  Speaker 3: and that's all they could pay me. So I went
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  Speaker 3: to the movies. And after I left the movies, thank
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  Speaker 3: god the girl I went to the movies, we drove
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  Speaker 3: because after I walked into our car and I walked
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  Speaker 3: to my car, my car was gone. I had my
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  Speaker 3: saxophone in there. So I went to the pastor and
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  Speaker 3: asked him if I could have one hundred and fifty dollars,
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  Speaker 3: and I went to the paun shot and bought a saxophone.
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  Speaker 3: And that's a saxophone you saw me using on the sidewalk. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Wow.
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  Speaker 3: Shortly after I marry you, that's when my life really
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  Speaker 3: started to change. There was a guy at the restaurant
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  Speaker 3: called Harry Seisha, that's his name. If he lost his
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  Speaker 3: mortgage to day, I'll pay his mortgage. I'll tell you
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  Speaker 3: this guy here really saved my life. Harry Sacha came
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  Speaker 3: out on the Saturday afternoon and he was looking around
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  Speaker 3: in the town square and he says, you know what,
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  Speaker 3: you should be collecting people's information, man, So let you
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  Speaker 3: know when it's gonna be back out here. I said, man,
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  Speaker 3: you're right. So I went into the manager's office, got
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  Speaker 3: on Microsoft word putting Nain email phone number, drew a
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  Speaker 3: bunch of lines, and printed out about twenty pages. Went
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  Speaker 3: out there at my table, the table you saw, I
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  Speaker 3: had my bucket on it, and I put uh the
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  Speaker 3: tablet down there with the with the sheets of paper
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  Speaker 3: on it. I started collecting with four hundred emails and
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  Speaker 3: phone It was a day. Now I was out there.
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  Speaker 3: You think that's a lot, but I was out there
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  Speaker 3: for eight hours, you know, seven days a week. So
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  Speaker 3: after nine and a half months, I collect collected over
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  Speaker 3: half a million people's information.
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  Speaker 2: What yeah, wait, wait, wait, wait wait, Chris.
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  Speaker 3: It's gonna be a lot today we go.
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  Speaker 2: So out man, you collected all over half a.
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  Speaker 3: Million, over half a million, and at the time I
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  Speaker 3: didn't have the money for weeks, so I had to
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  Speaker 3: end put it all by hand, so I didn't have
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  Speaker 3: I didn't have any money for iPad, so when people
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  Speaker 3: wrote it down, you know, they wrote it down. So
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  Speaker 3: I got to transfer to the computer. So I had
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  Speaker 3: hundreds of Gmail accounts because you can only upload so
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  Speaker 3: many and only saved five hundred emails per day, so
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  Speaker 3: I had to I had to create so many Gmail accounts,
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  Speaker 3: so I was busy.
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  Speaker 2: Wow.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, this wasn't too long after we met, man.
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  Speaker 2: I just so I want to go back to where
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  Speaker 2: you started.
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  Speaker 1: You go on a date with the young lady and
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  Speaker 1: you come back. Your car is gone, but your instruments
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  Speaker 1: are gone as well.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, when when you when you walk out there, what
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  Speaker 2: what was the first thing that went through your mind?
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  Speaker 3: It's funny to show the podcast is about the show
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  Speaker 3: is about healing. By that time, I've already heald. I've
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  Speaker 3: been through a lot of my life, man, that you
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  Speaker 3: don't know about. The most traumatic experience was Mother's Day
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  Speaker 3: of nineteen ninety seven, when my father tried to kill
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  Speaker 3: the whole family. He stabbed my mom five times in
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  Speaker 3: the chest, my sister, and the stomach, and came after me.
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  Speaker 3: I held my mom in my lap while she died,
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  Speaker 3: my sister crawled over. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Uh.
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  Speaker 3: Hours after it happened, when the ambulance came to pick
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  Speaker 3: her up. My uncle came to picked me up from
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  Speaker 3: the scene, took me to the house, his house, and
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  Speaker 3: we got a call about four hours later, four or
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  Speaker 3: five hours later. I was ten years old at the time,
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  Speaker 3: said that she miraculously lived. They gave her not and
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  Speaker 3: a half pints of blood. She's still here today, seventy
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  Speaker 3: eight years old.
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  Speaker 2: Wow.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, oh, man, let's I'm pausing, man, because I didn't
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  Speaker 1: know that. Man, I didn't know your backstory. I didn't
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  Speaker 1: know because we never had any childhood conversations. I think
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  Speaker 1: when we met, we were often having discussions about where
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  Speaker 1: we wanted to go and where we were. But to
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  Speaker 1: think about a ten year old boy that's holding his
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  Speaker 1: mom in his hand and as she's bleeding out. Man,
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  Speaker 1: I'm sitting here just trying to fathom. And I'm sure
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  Speaker 1: that you didn't at the time because you probably didn't
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  Speaker 1: even know what was going on, that everything was happening
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  Speaker 1: so fast.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah. So when it happened my parents, I used the
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  Speaker 3: phrase where my dad was a terrible husband, but he
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  Speaker 3: was a good father to his children.
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  Speaker 2: I know.
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  Speaker 3: As crazy as that may sound, he didn't miss any
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  Speaker 3: important events for his kids. He was always there. But
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  Speaker 3: his relationship with my mother was terrible. My dad was
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  Speaker 3: a pastor. I'm a piquet like me.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, did you know that?
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  Speaker 3: I didn't know that.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, my dad's a pastor thirty three years really yeah?
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  Speaker 3: So, uh man, I grew up in South Park in Houston,
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  Speaker 3: Nick in their third ward.
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  Speaker 1: Uh.
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  Speaker 3: My dad was a hard worker as a carpenter and contractor.
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  Speaker 2: So was my dad. Oh so he was a carpenter.
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  Speaker 3: Really. Yeah, we've been on your brothers all right. So
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  Speaker 3: oh wait, waited, Billy ain't rolling Stone man? Hold up?
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  Speaker 3: So yeah, yeah, so I grew up in I grew
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  Speaker 3: up in Sauth Park in Houston, and we was evicted
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  Speaker 3: from several homes and it got to a point where
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  Speaker 3: my dad just shut down the church. We had to
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  Speaker 3: live in the church for a year and a half.
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  Speaker 3: Didn't have any my birthdays on Christmas. That's how I
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  Speaker 3: get my name Chris. I didn't me. I didn't get
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  Speaker 3: any presents when we were younger. So what my mom
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  Speaker 3: did was, uh, she pawned a wedding ring and buy
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  Speaker 3: me my first Christmas gifts. So when my dad earned
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  Speaker 3: the money, he went to the punch shop to buy
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  Speaker 3: it back, but they gave it back. Well, he gave
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  Speaker 3: it the money to my mom and she with and
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  Speaker 3: the owner gave the gave my mom the wedding ring
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  Speaker 3: back because he just thought it was a marrable what
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  Speaker 3: she did for children. So you know, I mean, yeah,
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  Speaker 3: that's two of the many stories I got to sham
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  Speaker 3: to try to give you as many as I can today.
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  Speaker 3: But when you go through so much of that up
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  Speaker 3: to ten years old, you learn how to heal. So
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  Speaker 3: anything that came as a challenge after that, that the
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  Speaker 3: most traumatic experience was just like this, you know what
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  Speaker 3: I mean. So I don't cant hand.
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  Speaker 2: Out it sidewalk, but how did you heal? Though?
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  Speaker 3: Well, I knew God was real. I've always been in
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  Speaker 3: church my whole life. And to back you up, I
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  Speaker 3: was born in Thesemmer twenty fifth, nineteen eighty six. Before
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  Speaker 3: I got here, my mom was thirty nine years old
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  Speaker 3: and she's having me. Doctors told her nineteen eighty six,
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  Speaker 3: this has done a good idea because they ain't had
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  Speaker 3: any type of technology back then to have a child
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  Speaker 3: at eighty to thirty nine, So my dad was against it.
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  Speaker 3: My oldest siblings were against it. They were like, you know, shoot,
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  Speaker 3: we want our mom childing. We want her to make it.
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  Speaker 3: If the child can't make it, you know, that's the
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  Speaker 3: decision we're gonna roll with to keep my mom. But
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  Speaker 3: they didn't know that. The whole time, my mom had
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  Speaker 3: been praying for a savior to come to the family,
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  Speaker 3: so a financial savior. So when I got here, they
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  Speaker 3: were trying to figure out what was gonna be my gift.
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  Speaker 3: My mom always knew it was gonna be his gift.
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  Speaker 3: When I was four years old, was at choir rehearsal
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  Speaker 3: at church. That was the day they was discovering my gift.
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  Speaker 3: The choir was rehearsing and I got off the front
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  Speaker 3: bench and I went and pointed out to the person
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  Speaker 3: that was in the wrong key, and then my brother
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  Speaker 3: looked at my mom and my cousin. They said, that's
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  Speaker 3: what it is. He got perfect pitch. So when they
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  Speaker 3: came to learn the saxophone, I didn't take lessons. They
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  Speaker 3: took me two and a half months. I would put
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  Speaker 3: Kenny g CD's in a CD player and just try
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  Speaker 3: to emulate the signs I was hearing and I just
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  Speaker 3: picked it up the third month. My first performance was
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  Speaker 3: in church. I played Amazing Grace and that was that
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  Speaker 3: was pretty much.
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  Speaker 2: Wow.
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  Speaker 1: So you discover your gift at four, you learn how
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  Speaker 1: basically taught yourself how to play the saxophone through hearing.
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  Speaker 1: So I played drums. I didn't know that I played drums,
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  Speaker 1: and I don't play often like I used to. I
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  Speaker 1: played in my dad's church, my dad's son quartet saying,
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  Speaker 1: so I played for his group.
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  Speaker 2: I played by ear. Can't read sheet music.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, And so my dad was Baptist, and so you know,
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  Speaker 1: I played by ear.
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  Speaker 2: And to think about.
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  Speaker 1: To discover your gift at such a young age, but
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  Speaker 1: also to experience something so traumatic, how do you navigate
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  Speaker 1: what happened at ten through the time you went through college.
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  Speaker 3: Because God never let me fell. So when I was
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  Speaker 3: when I was sitting down on the curb and she
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  Speaker 3: was dying, my mom immediately started praying over me while
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  Speaker 3: she was dying. While she was dying, do you remember
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  Speaker 3: what her prayer was. Yes, she was praying that God
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  Speaker 3: keeps her hair to be here for a children. So
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  Speaker 3: she was rubbing the hand of my cheek bloody hand everything. Man,
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  Speaker 3: it was blood shooting them like a water fountain. And
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  Speaker 3: I remember my hat on the Grand Hills, the Grand
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  Speaker 3: Hills in ninety seven. Yeah, the white Grand Hills had
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  Speaker 3: a whole white union on. It was all in blood,
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  Speaker 3: dressed in blood. And my sister was crawling over and
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  Speaker 3: she started praying and she passed out. So I started
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  Speaker 3: rocking and saying, don't leave me. So her testimony is
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  Speaker 3: that when she passed out, she heard her voice that
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  Speaker 3: asked her, do you want to stay with your children?
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  Speaker 3: Do you want to come with us? She said, I
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  Speaker 3: want to stay with my children. So she woke up
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  Speaker 3: in the back of the ambulance truck. We didn't know that.
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  Speaker 3: So when she got to the hospital, that gave her
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  Speaker 3: nine and a half pints of blood. And so when
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  Speaker 3: she told her testimony in church, she said she heard
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  Speaker 3: her voice saying, don't leave me. I don't want it
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  Speaker 3: told her that, I said, you know that was me.
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  Speaker 3: So in my eyes, it felt like, you know, we're
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  Speaker 3: all guys, little children, these angels, right, I felt like
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  Speaker 3: I was being an angel for her to night. I
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  Speaker 3: felt like I was the one that kind of like
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  Speaker 3: really encouraged her, inspired and motivated to stay here. So
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  Speaker 3: throughout life, every little thing that I got involved in,
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  Speaker 3: I was always saved from it. It didn't matter like
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  Speaker 3: it was well, we didn't have a place to live.
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  Speaker 3: We had, you know, we got evictor. We had a
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  Speaker 3: place to live. When she died, she came back to life.
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  Speaker 3: When I wanted to line to play saxophone, I didn't
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  Speaker 3: have any money for it. My sister was there. She
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  Speaker 3: was in the military at the time. She's able to
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  Speaker 3: get alan. I didn't have the money to get lessons,
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  Speaker 3: so God gave me an ear for it. When I
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  Speaker 3: graduated school, I couldn't find a job, he gave me
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  Speaker 3: an opportunity to play on the street. That's what I
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  Speaker 3: made you. When I didn't have money to ren venues,
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  Speaker 3: I sayd them eight hundred dollars. I'm playing tips and
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  Speaker 3: rented the Redcat Jazz Cafe.
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  Speaker 2: I don't you remember that yet, Red Cat in Houston.
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  Speaker 3: In Houston rented the Red Cat Jazz Cafe. Shout out
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  Speaker 3: to Santa Pink. He was an owner. No one would
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  Speaker 3: give me the opportunity because I was just somebody playing
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  Speaker 3: on the street. So I rented the venue. So saying
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  Speaker 3: people was like, how are you gonna sell tickets? So
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  Speaker 3: I said, well, I got a few email addresses. I'm
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  Speaker 3: gonna see what happens. Sold out under fifteen minutes. It's
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  Speaker 3: one hundred and fifty seats. I had half a million people, right,
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  Speaker 3: So we added a second show. The first was at
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  Speaker 3: seven pm. The second one was at nine to thirty pm,
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  Speaker 3: and that was sold out too. So every every time
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  Speaker 3: I got involved with something I wanted to do, God
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  Speaker 3: always he literally always opened the door for me if
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  Speaker 3: I only stayed true to what I wanted to do. Wow,
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  Speaker 3: now what led me out to the sidewalk is interesting
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  Speaker 3: because after my car was stolen and I got that saxophone,
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  Speaker 3: I prayed a proud that I'll never forget. And you know,
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  Speaker 3: you reached the point in your life like when you
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  Speaker 3: were healed or when you were prayed over by TD Jenks.
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  Speaker 3: I saw the video. The moment I knew that I
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  Speaker 3: really had a connection was during that prayer. Because I
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  Speaker 3: still renting my entire life everything. So I told God,
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  Speaker 3: I said, if you bless me with music, I don't
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  Speaker 3: care if I made twenty thousand dollars a year, I'm
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  Speaker 3: gonna take it over any job you give me that
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  Speaker 3: sixty thousand that was in twenty eleven. I meant it,
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  Speaker 3: and he knew I meant it. Two weeks later I
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  Speaker 3: ended up at Turquoise. My friend Schouler, he lives in
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  Speaker 3: Baltimore nonight' from Houston. He didn't want to told me
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  Speaker 3: to go to the US Sugarlan Town School with him.
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  Speaker 3: He played saxophone and we were just practicing in the open.
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  Speaker 3: So when I was walking down a sidewalk, I saw
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  Speaker 3: a guy playing the guitar. The guy you saw me
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  Speaker 3: playing guitar with. He was on a sidewalk and I
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  Speaker 3: just told him we played together, we could make some
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  Speaker 3: extra tips. And then that door was open. And then
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  Speaker 3: the whole Harry saysha, give me the idea open. And
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  Speaker 3: then when I wanted to do concerts full time in
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  Speaker 3: different cities, I was sitting at the bar area in
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  Speaker 3: Turquoise and I was looking at CNBC. That's what he
• 17:08
  Speaker 3: had on the screen. CNBC said that in twenty eleven
• 17:12
  Speaker 3: that America is one of the most diverse countries in
• 17:15
  Speaker 3: the nation. So I graduated a general business degree, but
• 17:19
  Speaker 3: I had to hustle mentality from the street. So I said,
• 17:22
  Speaker 3: all right, well, if America is the most diverse in
• 17:26
  Speaker 3: the world, right, then Houston got to be there too,
• 17:31
  Speaker 3: because Houston is one of the most diverse in the nation.
• 17:34
  Speaker 3: So that means everybody in my list ain't from here.
• 17:36
  Speaker 3: So I go back to my email list or asking
• 17:38
  Speaker 3: people where you're from New York, Italy. I'm from Morocco,
• 17:42
  Speaker 3: from wherever all around the world. That was right, But
• 17:46
  Speaker 3: now I still don't have the money to get to
• 17:47
  Speaker 3: him to do the shows. So I was playing at
• 17:50
  Speaker 3: Sugar at Marriott on Wednesday night, right down on you know,
• 17:53
  Speaker 3: right down there. Jeffrey of Bembije, the general manager. I
• 17:59
  Speaker 3: asked him. I said, I see all these parties coming
• 18:01
  Speaker 3: in and out, people having meetings and parties at in
• 18:06
  Speaker 3: the meeting space and barrooms. How do you how do
• 18:09
  Speaker 3: you get a ballroom or meeting space? He was like, well,
• 18:11
  Speaker 3: how many people you want to hold? I said, man,
• 18:13
  Speaker 3: maybe about fifty people. He said, what you're trying to do?
• 18:15
  Speaker 3: Or said, I'm trying to do a show, but I
• 18:17
  Speaker 3: don't have money for a venue. He was like, whoa,
• 18:21
  Speaker 3: this is how you work in there. If you could
• 18:22
  Speaker 3: do a food and beverage minimum meat, you can get
• 18:24
  Speaker 3: the room for free or uh, if you rent the room,
• 18:28
  Speaker 3: you don't have to have food of beverage, but the
• 18:29
  Speaker 3: rent gonna be a little high for the for the
• 18:31
  Speaker 3: meeting space. Okay, And I said, well, does that work
• 18:34
  Speaker 3: all around the world? He go yeah. I say, is
• 18:37
  Speaker 3: there any money up front? He was like no, and
• 18:40
  Speaker 3: I said he said, they give you a deadline. I said, okay, cool,
• 18:43
  Speaker 3: here's another nugget God gave me. I get an email
• 18:47
  Speaker 3: A few days later a woman named Jenny Chang. She says,
• 18:52
  Speaker 3: my name is Jenny Chang. I'm from groupon dot com.
• 18:56
  Speaker 3: We've been watching your career and I was like my head,
• 18:59
  Speaker 3: like what career? Because I already posted on social media
• 19:01
  Speaker 3: like that I ain't got a career. So she's like,
• 19:04
  Speaker 3: I've been your friend on Facebook for a while, but
• 19:06
  Speaker 3: we're trying to start this music thing on groupond. We
• 19:10
  Speaker 3: want you to be one of the first. I was like, well,
• 19:12
  Speaker 3: I'm thinking about self worll. I ain't got no venues.
• 19:15
  Speaker 3: So I lied to It was like all right, cool,
• 19:18
  Speaker 3: I say you the tour schedule. I ain't got no tour.
• 19:21
  Speaker 3: So I started calling all around the world, booking meeting
• 19:26
  Speaker 3: spaces at the married hotel, which is perfect because I
• 19:30
  Speaker 3: knew that my career evolved around entertainment for women. Men
• 19:35
  Speaker 3: don't buy concert tickets, so uh, not like that, not
• 19:38
  Speaker 3: like women do. So I needed a place where women
• 19:40
  Speaker 3: could get dressed, have a place where they can go,
• 19:43
  Speaker 3: have something to eat, something to drink, they listen to
• 19:46
  Speaker 3: some good music. If they don't want to go home,
• 19:48
  Speaker 3: they could go upstairs, go to their room. It was
• 19:50
  Speaker 3: a hotel. It's a perfect place. So I started doing
• 19:52
  Speaker 3: shows all over. I didn't have the money, so I
• 19:57
  Speaker 3: was buying one white one way tickets, have a way
• 20:00
  Speaker 3: to get home. And since we in Dallas right now,
• 20:04
  Speaker 3: those hotels, I was out here playing that. And then
• 20:07
  Speaker 3: I started playing at the Dallas Our Museum.
• 20:10
  Speaker 2: Wow.
• 20:10
  Speaker 3: Yeah. And I had the money to pay them either
• 20:13
  Speaker 3: until after the show and I sold enough CDs.
• 20:15
  Speaker 2: Man.
• 20:15
  Speaker 1: Yeah, bro, As I'm listening to you, Chris, what's cathartic
• 20:23
  Speaker 1: and what will also be a bit freeing for those
• 20:28
  Speaker 1: that are watching, is how what happened as a tragedy
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: and what could have been a traumatic spind on your
• 20:39
  Speaker 1: life turned into something greater than what you can even imagine.
• 20:45
  Speaker 1: Because what happens when we have a traumatic experience. Not
• 20:49
  Speaker 1: only do it reset the brain, but it also reset
• 20:54
  Speaker 1: our life. And your life seemed to have been reset
• 20:58
  Speaker 1: in such a way that God orchestrated that what was
• 21:01
  Speaker 1: meant to derail you actually put you on path because
• 21:05
  Speaker 1: you now saw God as this sovereignty and saw God like,
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: if he would bring my mom back, what else could
• 21:14
  Speaker 1: he do?
• 21:14
  Speaker 2: Yeah? Is that how you view God through your journey
• 21:17
  Speaker 2: of healing?
• 21:18
  Speaker 3: Absolutely? I didn't have the money for college. I didn't
• 21:21
  Speaker 3: want to get in, so my best friend filled out
• 21:24
  Speaker 3: my application. I was always surrounded by the people God
• 21:28
  Speaker 3: needed me to be surrounded by to where I can
• 21:30
  Speaker 3: be where I am today and further so, I didn't
• 21:32
  Speaker 3: know how to get in college. I went to Sam
• 21:34
  Speaker 3: Jessie State University. By the way he filled out my application,
• 21:38
  Speaker 3: I done had the grades. So two of my friends,
• 21:41
  Speaker 3: they were in the DECA program back in high school.
• 21:43
  Speaker 3: You probably remember that those are smart people in there.
• 21:47
  Speaker 3: So two of my friends, you were wondering why their
• 21:51
  Speaker 3: friends aggress just but they wrote my letter to Sam
• 21:54
  Speaker 3: Houston of why they should let me in. So I
• 21:58
  Speaker 3: get to Sam Houston and I'm basically the fresh prince
• 22:01
  Speaker 3: of Bell Eye get dropped off because I was like,
• 22:04
  Speaker 3: I don't know where to go from here, and so
• 22:05
  Speaker 3: I get dropped off Huntsville. I'm looking at my friends
• 22:09
  Speaker 3: like all right, I'm here. Now, I'm what now? Then
• 22:11
  Speaker 3: we got to go down and you know, figure out
• 22:13
  Speaker 3: what your major mind it go be. But the point
• 22:16
  Speaker 3: is is that I've always been like He's always ordered
• 22:20
  Speaker 3: my steps everywhere I was going.
• 22:23
  Speaker 2: That's what I was looking for, right, Yeah.
• 22:25
  Speaker 3: I never had to wonder like what was gonna be next, because,
• 22:29
  Speaker 3: like you said, like I always knew that God had me.
• 22:32
  Speaker 3: So even still to this day, the scariest thing for
• 22:35
  Speaker 3: a businessman is that we don't know. We don't know
• 22:38
  Speaker 3: up tomorrow. That's that's in a good book too. We're
• 22:40
  Speaker 3: supposed to let that go and worry about and focus
• 22:43
  Speaker 3: about today. So even as a businessman and today man,
• 22:47
  Speaker 3: you don't you don't know how much You never made
• 22:48
  Speaker 3: the same amount of money on a day. Never. That's
• 22:51
  Speaker 3: not how business works. Even when you have contracts, that
• 22:55
  Speaker 3: doesn't mean it's gonna pull through, right, You just gotta
• 22:58
  Speaker 3: step out of faith.
• 22:59
  Speaker 2: That's business.
• 23:00
  Speaker 3: This is all faith.
• 23:01
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's business. If you if you're a real entrepreneur,
• 23:04
  Speaker 2: you have to operate on faith. So I want to
• 23:08
  Speaker 2: go back to the childhood. Mom is still living. Whatever
• 23:13
  Speaker 2: happened with dad.
• 23:15
  Speaker 3: They went to prison for about five years. Uh. You
• 23:18
  Speaker 3: know laws are different in ninety seven, so you went
• 23:21
  Speaker 3: through about about five years and then he got released.
• 23:26
  Speaker 3: And I still talk to him today. Been forgave him
• 23:29
  Speaker 3: a long time ago. I mean we don't go out
• 23:31
  Speaker 3: and have a beer or nothing like that, but you
• 23:32
  Speaker 3: know I always.
• 23:33
  Speaker 2: Check on him.
• 23:34
  Speaker 3: See if you're done, all right?
• 23:35
  Speaker 2: What's my father? What was that like for you to
• 23:39
  Speaker 2: forgive your father who you watch preach Pastor Shepherd and
• 23:49
  Speaker 2: the very wife that he had.
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: That the Bible would say, love your wife, husband, love
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: your wives as Christ love the church. You don't see
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: that with him and your mom. In fact, it is
• 24:03
  Speaker 1: a complete opposite of what you should have saw, or
• 24:07
  Speaker 1: or what of what.
• 24:09
  Speaker 2: You didn't see.
• 24:11
  Speaker 1: I know you say that you forget him, but if
• 24:13
  Speaker 1: you can somebody who's watching this, what is that process like?
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: You know, to forgive somebody that you love that It's
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: not like an uncle, it's not like a friend, a cousin.
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: This is your dad who tried to take take your
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: mom's life. How do you and your sisters, And then
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: how did forgiveness? What was that process like for you?
• 24:40
  Speaker 3: Even on our best day, Will still has failed. This
• 24:42
  Speaker 3: woman's rag. That's on a good book. God still loves us, right,
• 24:47
  Speaker 3: So regardless of how bad he did my mother or
• 24:52
  Speaker 3: his children, I'm supposed to still love him, you know
• 24:56
  Speaker 3: what I mean.
• 24:57
  Speaker 2: So, and not at any given time did you ever
• 24:59
  Speaker 2: have any malice?
• 25:01
  Speaker 3: As I was upset, But over time, because of my
• 25:05
  Speaker 3: faith in God, it just kind of just dissipated.
• 25:09
  Speaker 2: Because you ever do therapy, anybody you ever said in you.
• 25:12
  Speaker 3: Know, yeah, the altar. I couldn't go to a person,
• 25:17
  Speaker 3: you know what, because me going to a person, I
• 25:19
  Speaker 3: needed somebody to relate to that traumatic experience that they
• 25:24
  Speaker 3: took us to therapy that didn't work for me. What
• 25:26
  Speaker 3: I needed to do was go to the altar and
• 25:28
  Speaker 3: go to my source, my therapy. So when I went
• 25:32
  Speaker 3: to the altar and the God on my knees and
• 25:35
  Speaker 3: told God, just take it off from me, I don't
• 25:37
  Speaker 3: want it, he did. So I think a lot of
• 25:40
  Speaker 3: the times that we go and look for uh healing
• 25:44
  Speaker 3: and people from people, but you gotta go, you gotta
• 25:47
  Speaker 3: go to that like you did. That video was different, bro.
• 25:51
  Speaker 3: I'm saying you do a lot of videos. I'm saying
• 25:53
  Speaker 3: you pray. Other people get prayed over something happened that
• 25:56
  Speaker 3: day when you was with TD James. I don't know
• 25:59
  Speaker 3: what you was going through. Was something happened and you
• 26:02
  Speaker 3: went and you gave it all. You gave it all
• 26:04
  Speaker 3: to God that day.
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: And it's funny you say that what had happened was
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: that was probably the toughest year of my life.
• 26:15
  Speaker 2: Man.
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: I was coming out of a relationship that I walked
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: away from I thought amicably, but the individual felt that
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: I couldn't leave on my terms, and because they had
• 26:34
  Speaker 1: an issue with me leaving, they made my life a
• 26:39
  Speaker 1: living hell. Her son who is here today and we'll
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: talk about it a little bit. I walked into the
• 26:47
  Speaker 1: gym Chris right in Missouri City, and they was ready
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: to turn me around because it was all on the
• 26:55
  Speaker 1: news and she said I had abused her, hadn't touched her,
• 26:59
  Speaker 1: hadn't all. I just said, I was just wanted to
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: break up and this didn't work for me. And during
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: that time, man, when everything popped off. It was may
• 27:10
  Speaker 1: or twenty eighteen, and that happened with Bishop July in
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: twenty eighteen, and you're right, man, something shook that day.
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: I mean, I still had to heal and go through
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: that process of really forgiveness, because it's one thing to
• 27:32
  Speaker 1: be accused of something that you go, you know what,
• 27:35
  Speaker 1: I probably could have did this better, but to be
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: accused of something where you're just like, nah, I didn't
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: do that. And when that happened with Bishop Man, it
• 27:49
  Speaker 1: was my moment of understanding that God truly sees me.
• 27:55
  Speaker 1: Because I caught a flight up to Dallas from Houston.
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: I was still in Houston living in Dallas.
• 28:03
  Speaker 2: No, I was. I was still in Houston.
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: So a friend of mine went to church and I
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: was like, she was like, yo, you need to come
• 28:09
  Speaker 1: up here. Man.
• 28:09
  Speaker 2: She's like, you just need to come to church. Man.
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: She's like, I don't know why, but I feel like
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: this should got a word for you. I said, okay,
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: bet So I got on a plane that came up
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: and that happened that day. So you're right, man, something
• 28:23
  Speaker 1: And when that happened that day, man, it was almost
• 28:26
  Speaker 1: like the moment that Jesus come out of the water
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: when John the Baptist is baptizing him and God goes,
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: this is my beloved son and whom I'm well pleased.
• 28:36
  Speaker 1: It was like this was my moment.
• 28:40
  Speaker 2: That God was.
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: Validating me that I know you are hurting right now,
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: but I got I got you right where I want
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: you and I'll never forget that day, man, And for
• 28:52
  Speaker 1: you to bring that up and for you that to
• 28:53
  Speaker 1: be sort of like an earmark that you remember tells
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: me and that that not only had an impact on
• 29:03
  Speaker 1: my life for me being in that moment, but also
• 29:07
  Speaker 1: had an impact on yours.
• 29:09
  Speaker 2: It did, man.
• 29:10
  Speaker 3: You know, we believe it or not, you'll follow us.
• 29:12
  Speaker 3: We watch your journey, so we we we've been following
• 29:16
  Speaker 3: you for a while saying where you're coming from and
• 29:18
  Speaker 3: where you currently are and where you where you want
• 29:20
  Speaker 3: to go. And it is healing to see somebody that's
• 29:24
  Speaker 3: you know, for us, seems like they're doing so well
• 29:26
  Speaker 3: in social media, but then they go to church and
• 29:28
  Speaker 3: surrender themselves like that that's reality for us. We won't
• 29:32
  Speaker 3: get a lot of that on social media. Man, we
• 29:34
  Speaker 3: get a lot of I'm just doing good. Life is good.
• 29:37
  Speaker 3: There's no there's no hardships, you know what I mean.
• 29:41
  Speaker 3: But to see to see you do that, that reminded
• 29:44
  Speaker 3: me like this, you know there's some realness in some
• 29:48
  Speaker 3: people that that post on social media on my timeline
• 29:52
  Speaker 3: what I need to see, right, you know what I mean.
• 29:54
  Speaker 3: So I appreciate you posting that.
• 29:56
  Speaker 2: That was nice.
• 29:57
  Speaker 1: Yeah, no, I appreciate you sharing that, man, because again
• 29:59
  Speaker 1: I never you never know how people feel, you know,
• 30:04
  Speaker 1: people with that until you until you hear what people
• 30:09
  Speaker 1: think about you know what they observe.
• 30:13
  Speaker 2: And so you sharing that, man, I'm really blessed. Man.
• 30:16
  Speaker 1: I'm just blessed man to have you here in your journey,
• 30:18
  Speaker 1: like I didn't know about your childhood's story.
• 30:21
  Speaker 2: I didn't know, but.
• 30:23
  Speaker 1: Just to see you live in complete freedom because that
• 30:28
  Speaker 1: it's not most people, let alone most men. Because some
• 30:34
  Speaker 1: people have a traumatic event man, and they're they're they're
• 30:39
  Speaker 1: off for the rest of their lives. They can't find
• 30:43
  Speaker 1: their way back, they can't find their way to to
• 30:46
  Speaker 1: to reconcile and to see you thriving and what should
• 30:51
  Speaker 1: have and what the enemy probably meant for harm, but
• 30:55
  Speaker 1: God used it for good.
• 30:57
  Speaker 3: You know. It's it's funny that you and I said
• 31:01
  Speaker 3: mentioned before. We're all guys children, so we all we'll
• 31:04
  Speaker 3: all have discernment. You have a decision to make we're
• 31:07
  Speaker 3: all faced with that. Some people choose not to go
• 31:11
  Speaker 3: to the positive route or to follow the rout god
• 31:14
  Speaker 3: the path God wants to take him because of fear.
• 31:16
  Speaker 3: The humans we're curious, you know what I mean? And uh,
• 31:21
  Speaker 3: but we also we also feel the unknown. A lot
• 31:24
  Speaker 3: of the times people don't jump off of business themselves
• 31:27
  Speaker 3: or self employment because they're afraid to leave the employment
• 31:31
  Speaker 3: that they have because they're like, oh, you know, I
• 31:33
  Speaker 3: got bills, I got a wife, I got kids, or
• 31:36
  Speaker 3: on the flip side, I got a husband, I got
• 31:38
  Speaker 3: kids or whatever. But the thing is, it's like you
• 31:41
  Speaker 3: still wants to step out in faith. Because I explained
• 31:44
  Speaker 3: this in another podcast in Atlanta. The interview had a kid.
• 31:49
  Speaker 3: I said, I'm glad you're doing what you what you're
• 31:51
  Speaker 3: doing and living your dream because if you wasn't, One
• 31:54
  Speaker 3: day your kids are gonna grow up, I'm gonna ask you, well, daddy,
• 31:58
  Speaker 3: did you do? Did you Are you doing what you
• 31:59
  Speaker 3: want want to do? Because dads still their cares. You
• 32:02
  Speaker 3: could be all you want to be, but they gonna
• 32:04
  Speaker 3: want to know if you're being all you want to
• 32:06
  Speaker 3: be too, So you gotta be an example. You know
• 32:08
  Speaker 3: what I'm saying so man, yeah.
• 32:17
  Speaker 2: Man, oh man, yeah, are you being all you want
• 32:20
  Speaker 2: to be?
• 32:20
  Speaker 3: Yeah, they're gonna ask you that. They're gonna look at
• 32:22
  Speaker 3: you like that, and you're gonna have to answer it.
• 32:26
  Speaker 3: You're gonna have to answer it. Uh. Yeah, it's it's
• 32:30
  Speaker 3: at home.
• 32:31
  Speaker 2: But man, it's the truth. Man.
• 32:34
  Speaker 3: I watched I watch. Your dad was a contract of
• 32:36
  Speaker 3: a preacher. My dad was a preacher. Both parents are
• 32:40
  Speaker 3: the same. Was my dad doing what he really wanted
• 32:42
  Speaker 3: to do? I don't think so. But also I think
• 32:45
  Speaker 3: he was doing what God called him to do. I
• 32:47
  Speaker 3: think he should have left that contract and alone. If
• 32:50
  Speaker 3: he was staying in the world, then it ain't been
• 32:52
  Speaker 3: all right because that's what he was called to do.
• 32:55
  Speaker 3: But he deviated. And when you deviate, you see what
• 32:58
  Speaker 3: happens if I if I stop I'm doing on call
• 33:00
  Speaker 3: to do with music, it's not gonna go well. Like
• 33:03
  Speaker 3: you just said, why didn't my life go the other way?
• 33:05
  Speaker 3: It's because I stayed true to what God wanted me
• 33:07
  Speaker 3: to do. As long as I stayed doing music and
• 33:10
  Speaker 3: how he wanted me to do it, I was gonna
• 33:12
  Speaker 3: be all right. Everything will work itself out.
• 33:14
  Speaker 2: So we may asked you this quzy, Is that your lifeline?
• 33:19
  Speaker 3: No, so I'm glad you asked.
• 33:21
  Speaker 2: So.
• 33:21
  Speaker 3: People think that the saxophone is my gift, that's not
• 33:24
  Speaker 3: my gift. My gift is entertainment. The saxophone is a
• 33:27
  Speaker 3: segway for me to do it. I can entertain people
• 33:30
  Speaker 3: without my saxophone. So if you stole the saxophone, I'll
• 33:33
  Speaker 3: still be all right because God is just put my
• 33:36
  Speaker 3: gift in and initially put it in me so for
• 33:39
  Speaker 3: me to go out there and entertain on stage. But
• 33:42
  Speaker 3: I got my saxophone out of tune. If it's backstage
• 33:45
  Speaker 3: on a broken to read or whatever, I could still
• 33:47
  Speaker 3: go out there and give people a good show. Matter
• 33:49
  Speaker 3: of fact, before I would go, before I even go
• 33:51
  Speaker 3: out there and perform, I walk out on stage without
• 33:53
  Speaker 3: my saxophone and people happy to see me. What do
• 33:56
  Speaker 3: you think that is? It's not that they're like, where
• 33:58
  Speaker 3: your saxophone at? Some people may say it, well, yeah,
• 34:03
  Speaker 3: but I stick it out there. Enter title though, So
• 34:06
  Speaker 3: when you start deviating from what you're called to do,
• 34:09
  Speaker 3: your life is not gonna look good. Like you can
• 34:10
  Speaker 3: go out there and make all the money you want
• 34:13
  Speaker 3: if you do. Went to the NFL and not doing
• 34:15
  Speaker 3: this right here, you will not work. It would not
• 34:17
  Speaker 3: ended well for you at all.
• 34:19
  Speaker 1: And I and I and I never forget, man, well
• 34:21
  Speaker 1: you did go. I'm just saying, And I never forget
• 34:23
  Speaker 1: you said that. I never forget someone telling me that
• 34:26
  Speaker 1: a lady, an older lady, said God didn't allow you
• 34:29
  Speaker 1: to make it because it was not going to end
• 34:32
  Speaker 1: well for you.
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  Speaker 3: No, it's not your gift. The gifts shall make room
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  Speaker 3: for you. Uh. And and if you're not using it, dude,
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  Speaker 3: I'm telling you, it's like blatantly going against guy's will
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  Speaker 3: for you. Who wants to do that? Right? I don't
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  Speaker 3: want to do that. I don't even want to see
• 34:49
  Speaker 3: what that's gonna look like. If I just stop doing
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  Speaker 3: what I'm called to do, it's not gonna end well.
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  Speaker 2: Man.
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  Speaker 1: Man, listen, if you you're watching this, it's not about chance,
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  Speaker 1: not about happenstance. I think it's a divine moment that
• 35:07
  Speaker 1: you've been listening and watching My brother Chris Mitchell awesome
• 35:11
  Speaker 1: saxophone player, but even better man. And so often we
• 35:17
  Speaker 1: are infatuated with people's gift that we lose focus of
• 35:22
  Speaker 1: the gift giver and what I love that Chris is
• 35:26
  Speaker 1: expounding on and I love one of my favorite words.
• 35:30
  Speaker 1: He's elucidating pain in this picture that he's never forgotten
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  Speaker 1: the giver of his gift. And I want to say
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  Speaker 1: to you, have you forgotten what God has given you?
• 35:45
  Speaker 1: Maybe there's some gifts in you that you have just overlooked,
• 35:48
  Speaker 1: that you have just forgotten about. In fact, you just
• 35:50
  Speaker 1: don't even want to touch it because it irritates you
• 35:53
  Speaker 1: because everybody's like, why don't you do this?
• 35:55
  Speaker 2: Why don't you do that? You're good to this.
• 35:56
  Speaker 1: So I want you to take this opportunity to think
• 35:59
  Speaker 1: about what has God giving youth that is unique about you.
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  Speaker 1: How can you use your gift to not only just
• 36:07
  Speaker 1: be blessed because you're compensated for it, but how can
• 36:11
  Speaker 1: you be a blessing.
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  Speaker 2: It took me a long.
• 36:14
  Speaker 1: Time to figure out not only just what my gift was,
• 36:19
  Speaker 1: but how to utilize my gift. And I think that's
• 36:22
  Speaker 1: the difficulty for most people is with doctor J what
• 36:26
  Speaker 1: do I do with my gift? Okay, I can do
• 36:28
  Speaker 1: this because sometimes you can be gifted in many different areas.
• 36:32
  Speaker 1: What I learned was my voice was a gift, and
• 36:35
  Speaker 1: my level of understanding and comprehension was even more of
• 36:38
  Speaker 1: a gift because I can conceptualize information and process it
• 36:42
  Speaker 1: in a way and deliver it back to people where
• 36:47
  Speaker 1: they can hear it in a way that can resonate
• 36:50
  Speaker 1: with them. When you think about playing by ear, what
• 36:57
  Speaker 1: are some of the things that you hear when you
• 36:59
  Speaker 1: are are deciphering how to pull out a sound and
• 37:03
  Speaker 1: to connect the cords.
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  Speaker 3: So I'll tell you what gets me started before ever
• 37:09
  Speaker 3: going to a performance. I got a players, like a
• 37:11
  Speaker 3: gospel player. That's what I listen to before I go
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  Speaker 3: on stage, and I think my spirit gets heightened. So
• 37:19
  Speaker 3: then when I go out there, it's kind of like
• 37:21
  Speaker 3: somebody that lose the Holy goes they don't you know, Yeah,
• 37:24
  Speaker 3: it's only they don't know where they at. So when
• 37:27
  Speaker 3: I go out there, I just play. It's just like
• 37:28
  Speaker 3: muscle memory. It's just like just order my fingers and
• 37:32
  Speaker 3: what do you want me to So I don't have
• 37:36
  Speaker 3: any premeditated nothing. Yeah, I'll just start going.
• 37:39
  Speaker 1: What I love about what you shared today, Chris, is
• 37:42
  Speaker 1: that you just a vessel man, but a willing vessel,
• 37:48
  Speaker 1: and you have surrendered the gift. I often talk to
• 37:51
  Speaker 1: people about that when they ask me about my ability
• 37:53
  Speaker 1: to to do what I do. I said daily, I
• 37:57
  Speaker 1: have to surrender my gift back to God, because if
• 38:00
  Speaker 1: you don't surrender it back to God, you will mismanage
• 38:03
  Speaker 1: what He's given you. And I never want to mismanage
• 38:06
  Speaker 1: what God has given me.
• 38:07
  Speaker 2: I want.
• 38:07
  Speaker 1: I don't want to manipulate. I don't want to explore.
• 38:10
  Speaker 1: I don't want to use for my game. I want
• 38:13
  Speaker 1: to always make sure that I'm stewarding the gift well
• 38:18
  Speaker 1: so he continues to expand what the gift can do.
• 38:22
  Speaker 1: How important is it for you to steward your gift?
• 38:25
  Speaker 1: And when you think about.
• 38:27
  Speaker 3: That's funny you say that because I know you can
• 38:29
  Speaker 3: relate with my mother. Tell you, how did it feel
• 38:32
  Speaker 3: being in church on a Sunday and you weren't playing drums?
• 38:36
  Speaker 3: You feel like you need to get up there exactly
• 38:39
  Speaker 3: because that's what that was your way of praise. It's
• 38:42
  Speaker 3: the same thing with me. I can't just go to
• 38:44
  Speaker 3: church sometimes just be sitting on the sidelines. Some people
• 38:48
  Speaker 3: raise their hands, some people lose their minds, some people
• 38:51
  Speaker 3: just stand still and cry. I always was I gotta
• 38:54
  Speaker 3: get to that instrument. I gotta play the drums. I
• 38:56
  Speaker 3: gotta feel. That's how I'm a feeling, you know what
• 38:59
  Speaker 3: I mean, That's how I stewarded by. Every time I play,
• 39:04
  Speaker 3: I make sure in every concert I do one good
• 39:06
  Speaker 3: gospel song because that was my promise of God that
• 39:08
  Speaker 3: every show I'm doing a gospel song and tell my story.
• 39:12
  Speaker 3: And I do. Wow, that's not a concert that ever
• 39:16
  Speaker 3: went by that will not tell my story. My story
• 39:19
  Speaker 3: goes further than that. Since twenty eleven, I've never been
• 39:23
  Speaker 3: hired to do a concert. Every theater, every rent has
• 39:26
  Speaker 3: been my own investment. Wow, I've never been hired. Even
• 39:31
  Speaker 3: when when I spoke to Live Nation this year about
• 39:36
  Speaker 3: going on my til for twenty twenty six and put
• 39:38
  Speaker 3: my toy days together, they were like, all right, great,
• 39:41
  Speaker 3: uh sitting an agent and I was like, I'll sing
• 39:42
  Speaker 3: you the agent, but I'm renting the theaters. And even
• 39:46
  Speaker 3: then it was like what I was like, Yeah, but
• 39:52
  Speaker 3: uh again it goes back to Irby's till I step
• 39:54
  Speaker 3: out in faith. That's another way I mean stewing in
• 39:57
  Speaker 3: my gift.
• 39:58
  Speaker 2: It's managing.
• 40:00
  Speaker 3: Yeah, this is as long as I just stay on
• 40:02
  Speaker 3: the path that he wants me to be on, I'll
• 40:04
  Speaker 3: be all right. I literally don't. My prayers are very
• 40:08
  Speaker 3: open ended. It literally ends and basically have your way.
• 40:14
  Speaker 3: That's it. I don't have this a bucket two and
• 40:18
  Speaker 3: two Steve Harvey talks about the life was one of
• 40:20
  Speaker 3: his one of my favorite verses. Right division making plans
• 40:23
  Speaker 3: a huge reason. Will run to it, even though it
• 40:25
  Speaker 3: take a long time, wait for it, for surely to
• 40:27
  Speaker 3: come into this terrs way for it. It'll come at
• 40:33
  Speaker 3: to a point in time. This is a fact. You
• 40:36
  Speaker 3: went through your life trained Jim two hand, touched on
• 40:40
  Speaker 3: the street in the grass that show. Do you know
• 40:43
  Speaker 3: what I'm saying? And you stay, stay us to it.
• 40:47
  Speaker 3: You went to the league, after that, you left, You
• 40:50
  Speaker 3: went through some things, but you still use your voice.
• 40:52
  Speaker 3: And here I am today sit with you like it's
• 40:55
  Speaker 3: easy for me to call you my brother. Because there
• 40:57
  Speaker 3: was a reason why we met on that sidewalk, on.
• 41:00
  Speaker 1: The sidewall, and we was both at a place where
• 41:03
  Speaker 1: we was looking for more, looking for.
• 41:05
  Speaker 3: More, and look at us and ten plus years later
• 41:08
  Speaker 3: we're talking about our journeys.
• 41:09
  Speaker 2: Man.
• 41:10
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you never know, bro, When I tell you, I'm
• 41:12
  Speaker 1: so proud of you, man, it blesses me through to
• 41:15
  Speaker 1: see you all over the world. It blesses me to
• 41:18
  Speaker 1: see your videos being reposted, retweeted, thank you. Know, to
• 41:23
  Speaker 1: see your your TikTok videos, to hear people talking about
• 41:26
  Speaker 1: how phenomenal of a saxophone player you are, Man, it
• 41:30
  Speaker 1: blesses me because no one would have ever known that
• 41:34
  Speaker 1: this black man that would stand on the sidewalk had
• 41:39
  Speaker 1: navigated one of the most traumatic experiences that any child
• 41:44
  Speaker 1: would have to navigate through.
• 41:46
  Speaker 2: It's seeing their parents in a pool of blood. Yeah,
• 41:50
  Speaker 2: and finding a way to not only just forgive your dad,
• 41:55
  Speaker 2: but finding a way to take what God has given
• 41:58
  Speaker 2: you to use it. Brother. And I tell you, brother,
• 42:02
  Speaker 2: you have inspired me even more today just hearing that
• 42:05
  Speaker 2: because I didn't know. And that's why I love what
• 42:07
  Speaker 2: I do with this podcast, because we don't realize that
• 42:13
  Speaker 2: our life's journey is also someone's healing journey, and it's
• 42:17
  Speaker 2: how people get healed through sharing our stories. Man, in
• 42:21
  Speaker 2: this moment, if you can think about a song in
• 42:25
  Speaker 2: this moment, what would you play Amazing Grace? Yeah, let's
• 42:31
  Speaker 2: here man, My brother, you're truly annoying it. Man, Thank you.
• 43:39
  Speaker 2: There's people who are gifted and there's people who are
• 43:41
  Speaker 2: an knowing it.
• 43:42
  Speaker 1: You are both appreciated you, and I pray Man that
• 43:47
  Speaker 1: as you begin your tour next month, that.
• 43:53
  Speaker 2: You experience a different.
• 43:54
  Speaker 1: Level of admiration and validation, not because you could at it,
• 44:03
  Speaker 1: but you get to experience what your kid brings to others.
• 44:08
  Speaker 3: Appreciate it. Man, Thanks so much for the interview. Thank
• 44:11
  Speaker 3: you for inviting me on Man, and stay in contact
• 44:14
  Speaker 3: with me because I got some friends, as we both
• 44:17
  Speaker 3: that didn't make it. I'm thirty eight, now you know
• 44:20
  Speaker 3: what I mean, Like, I got some friends that didn't
• 44:22
  Speaker 3: make it at thirty eight. Yeah, but we're in and
• 44:25
  Speaker 3: if we wasn't promised to be here today either, No,
• 44:28
  Speaker 3: but we both have the stories to share. And you know,
• 44:30
  Speaker 3: Guy of the plan, so he kept us.
• 44:32
  Speaker 1: Yeah we are. I want to ask you this one
• 44:34
  Speaker 1: last question. I always ask every guest man, what is
• 44:38
  Speaker 1: healing for Chris.
• 44:39
  Speaker 3: Mitchell surrendering your life to Christ. It's said, accepting Jesus
• 44:46
  Speaker 3: your Lord and savor and know that God is the
• 44:47
  Speaker 3: only way. I said, when you do that, everything in
• 44:51
  Speaker 3: work and souff out Man. There's not a single story
• 44:53
  Speaker 3: in the Bible of somebody that's rending themselves in Christ
• 44:57
  Speaker 3: that didn't make it, that didn't make it now. God
• 45:03
  Speaker 3: gives a free will. You can choose the other route,
• 45:05
  Speaker 3: even if you do supposedly surrounding usself to Christ. But
• 45:09
  Speaker 3: for those that surrender themselves, it's still in that path.
• 45:12
  Speaker 3: They'll be right, They'll be just fine.
• 45:15
  Speaker 2: Many brother, I love you man too. Listen.
• 45:20
  Speaker 1: I hope something that was shared today in this interview
• 45:23
  Speaker 1: with Chris. I don't know what will title this episode.
• 45:28
  Speaker 1: I know we will come up with something amazing, but
• 45:29
  Speaker 1: it definitely has been a transformative conversation for me because
• 45:36
  Speaker 1: I've known this about ten plus years and did not
• 45:39
  Speaker 1: know the depth of his story. I don't know the
• 45:41
  Speaker 1: depth of your story, but what I do know is
• 45:45
  Speaker 1: there is healing on the other side and you have
• 45:49
  Speaker 1: the power to rewrite a new story. Listen, don't forget
• 45:54
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• 45:58
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• 46:03
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• 46:05
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• 46:09
  Speaker 1: wholeness is the destination.
• 46:12
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