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180. [Florida] The Chi Omega Murders · Bless This Mess: A Southern True Crime Podcast

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  Speaker 1: Hey, everyone, welcome to bless this mess in the True
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  Speaker 1: Crum podcast. I'm care here with Stu SA has to
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  Speaker 1: do all right, we are back. We have been gone
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  Speaker 1: for a month about so we did bake some empty
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  Speaker 1: promises are not really some empty We were going to
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  Speaker 1: try it, we did not realize. So if you're if
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  Speaker 1: this the first time, you're listening to this all the
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  Speaker 1: time about recording on vacation, No, if you're this first
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  Speaker 1: time listening to this, you can skip ahead quite a
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  Speaker 1: bit because we're gonna do a We're not going to
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  Speaker 1: talk a whole bunch about the trip. We will do
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  Speaker 1: it more on Shoot the Pooh because that's where we
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  Speaker 1: ramble on and everything like that. Anyways, I have been
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  Speaker 1: sharing our trip. Obviously I'm very behind because we are
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  Speaker 1: home and I think the last date I posted on
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  Speaker 1: You can follow us on Facebook, Instagram, TikTok, it's on
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  Speaker 1: YouTube as well, all of those you can follow along.
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  Speaker 1: I post True crime like show recommendations. I post our
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  Speaker 1: dinners each night and like what I've been I like
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  Speaker 1: to share that kind of stuff. And then I've been
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  Speaker 1: posting our trip. I was recapping because like, oh, I'll
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  Speaker 1: just record it each day like kind of what we did,
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  Speaker 1: I mean, I don't do honestly, it was hard enough
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  Speaker 1: to record the very little bit of stuff that I
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  Speaker 1: did to remember. So anyways, I'm very far behind posting.
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  Speaker 1: I'm only on like day eighteen, and we're obviously home,
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  Speaker 1: and it was a twenty eight day trip, so I've
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  Speaker 1: still got ten more days to post, and I will
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  Speaker 1: edit those and post those. But we have made it
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  Speaker 1: safely back home. So if you're wondering, So anyways, if
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  Speaker 1: you're new here, we it's we have four children. They
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  Speaker 1: are five and under, and so we decided to go
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  Speaker 1: on a one month road trip, driving all the way
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  Speaker 1: to Key West and then back to West Texas. Oh,
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  Speaker 1: we have the other big update for him that we're
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  Speaker 1: not moving.
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  Speaker 2: To both now.
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  Speaker 1: But a lot of shit's been happening, guys. Okay, I'll
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  Speaker 1: keep I'll try to keep this brief because it is late.
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  Speaker 1: We do have the kid's schedule has been completely off
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  Speaker 1: because every night they stayed up so late just because
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  Speaker 1: the sleeping situation was hard to get, Like, we had
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  Speaker 1: to be completely ready for bed before they could go
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  Speaker 1: to bed because obviously, like they'd be in even if
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  Speaker 1: we had a two bedroom thing. They wouldn't lay down
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  Speaker 1: in there, so then Stu would have to go lay
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  Speaker 1: down with them. Well, he would have to be like
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  Speaker 1: showered and ready for bed. I'd have to be done
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  Speaker 1: like pumping and everything at that to get everybody calm down.
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  Speaker 1: So they were going to bed at like ten eleven
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  Speaker 1: o'clock at night, sometimes midnight like it was. It was
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  Speaker 1: chaos like the va. Yes, yes, so we're trying to
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  Speaker 1: get back in the room. Everybody's we're all exhausted though
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  Speaker 1: we've only been home like two days, and we are
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  Speaker 1: physically exhausted from it. We were doing good until the
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  Speaker 1: trip back. I think it just took it out of
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  Speaker 1: us because every night we were switching places to get
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  Speaker 1: back as opposed to going. We were stopping for four
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  Speaker 1: or five days at a time some places, you know,
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  Speaker 1: and going so anyway, So we have made it back safely.
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  Speaker 1: I only broke down and cried one time on the trip,
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  Speaker 1: and I thought I was no. I threatened a cry
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  Speaker 1: like we're not. I'm not pretending like traveling with small
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  Speaker 1: children is easy, guys. I'm I mean, I'm not going
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  Speaker 1: to put me screaming at the children on the TikTok
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  Speaker 1: or anything like that. That's just like cause obviously if
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  Speaker 1: I'm I'm not one to pull out my camera and
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  Speaker 1: be like, hey, let's record me. One, I don't show
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  Speaker 1: the children on the I don't show them on there,
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  Speaker 1: So it's just kind of our day or whatever we
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  Speaker 1: were traveling, but I'm not going to pull out I
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  Speaker 1: always wonder what people are thinking whenever I see a
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  Speaker 1: video and it's like them like getting after their kid
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  Speaker 1: or their kid crying and the record. I'm like, why
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  Speaker 1: are you pulling out your phone and recording when your
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  Speaker 1: kids having a tantrum or a meltdown. I Mean, it's
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  Speaker 1: just like bizarre to me.
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  Speaker 2: So, yes, it is Day has a wife or her
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  Speaker 2: her spouse or whatever it is going to see that
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  Speaker 2: on the internet and be like, oh, there you are.
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  Speaker 1: Anyways, I can't hardly hear you.
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  Speaker 2: Oh I don't know what's happening.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know what's going on anyways, So maybe they
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  Speaker 1: can hear you fun, but it looks like we can't
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  Speaker 1: hear you. So anyways, I'm not going to pretend that
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  Speaker 1: it was easy traveling all the show, and there was
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  Speaker 1: there was a many a day. I'm like, what the
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  Speaker 1: fuck were we thinking like this was terrible. But then
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  Speaker 1: then now I look back, I'm like, well, I'm glad
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  Speaker 1: we did even though we were home. The first I
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  Speaker 1: was like, what were we thinking doing that? That was
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  Speaker 1: crazy or whatever. But now that we've been home a
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  Speaker 1: couple of days, I'm like, oh, it's probably a good
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  Speaker 1: thing we do that because we do basically it's the
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  Speaker 1: same shit we do here, like the kids not listening
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  Speaker 1: to us as yelling and pick up their stuff to
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  Speaker 1: eat their dinner, to go do this, to go do this,
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  Speaker 1: but we got to do it in like a tropical location.
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  Speaker 2: So son saying, fun, Yes.
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  Speaker 1: So we had we saw a lot of stuff. We
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  Speaker 1: did a lot of things. Key West is very expensive,
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  Speaker 1: so probably won't go back ever. I'm just saying there's
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  Speaker 1: other place that could spend my money at that's not
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  Speaker 1: key West. Key West is extremely expensive.
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  Speaker 2: To me and Nickel and Dimia for everything.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, parking minimum you go down there, the minimum amount
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  Speaker 1: that you have to pay is seventeen dollars and that'll
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  Speaker 1: get you zero to two hours. So anyways, there was
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  Speaker 1: like sometime.
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  Speaker 2: Like what is it forty dollars for the day or
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  Speaker 2: something like that.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, See, now I can hear you. You're too far.
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  Speaker 1: You need to angle your microphone.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, Well, because it's been in the box and when
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  Speaker 2: it you supposedly did a sound check before.
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  Speaker 1: I did, and I don't know what happened. You did
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  Speaker 1: something and runed it or whatever. I don't know how
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  Speaker 1: you messed it up.
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  Speaker 2: I did nothing.
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  Speaker 1: It's because if you angle your face wrong, it it
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  Speaker 1: does wrong.
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  Speaker 2: I'm not going to say it. Pretend that traveling with
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  Speaker 2: care for a month was easy.
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  Speaker 1: No, Anyways, I only cried. I only broke down and
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  Speaker 1: cried one time, and it was the last. Okay. Cape
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  Speaker 1: Canaveral was our favorite stop, I would say, would you
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  Speaker 1: it was basically because of the I'd say the location
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  Speaker 1: where we stayed. We stayed at the Holiday Inn Vacation Club,
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  Speaker 1: which sounds super fancy, but it was so it was
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  Speaker 1: like one eighty three at night on average or something,
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  Speaker 1: which was crazy at that time, which was crazy because
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  Speaker 1: it was so nice, like it had everything that you
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  Speaker 1: could pop, pull, splash pads, everything at beach access everything. Anyways,
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  Speaker 1: Cape Canaval was my favor. I would go back to
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  Speaker 1: that one. The Key West one I would not go
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  Speaker 1: back to because it was too expensive and more adult. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: but it just like I don't know anyways. And then
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  Speaker 1: the Annamary Island was real pretty and everything like that.
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  Speaker 1: Also very expensive. Also just a lot of like it's
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  Speaker 1: just more ways to spend your money. Like the Cape Canaval,
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  Speaker 1: you could you could stay at the hotel and you
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  Speaker 1: could do stuff that was included. The other ones you
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  Speaker 1: had to pay extra money to go out in the
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  Speaker 1: world and do things, and a lot of it was
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  Speaker 1: like shopping or something like that, you know, parking again,
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  Speaker 1: very pretty views. Yes, we rented a golf cart. That
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  Speaker 1: was one of our things that we sprung for at
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  Speaker 1: renting the golf cart and Anna Marie Island, and it
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  Speaker 1: was a lot of fun that we did enjoy. I
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  Speaker 1: did enjoy riding on the golf cart. That was fun
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  Speaker 1: because we could we put the car seats in the
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  Speaker 1: golf cart and then the streets are real low speed,
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  Speaker 1: so you could go. And I felt somewhat until the
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  Speaker 1: last day and I was like, maybe we shouldn't have,
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  Speaker 1: but there was other kids riding around in golf carts,
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  Speaker 1: some of them without car seats, so we did have
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  Speaker 1: them all in car seats. But judges, if you would
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  Speaker 1: if you must anyway, so we did have a good time. Yes,
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  Speaker 1: if you want to know what I cried about. All
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  Speaker 1: I wanted to do was the last night, and the
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  Speaker 1: kids just were like, on a level, all I wanted
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  Speaker 1: to do. We had we booked an extra night in
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  Speaker 1: Cape Canaveral, and in hindsight it might have been a
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  Speaker 1: mistake because we had to I don't think it was
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  Speaker 1: a completely terrible ideal. Okay, we had to switch rooms
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  Speaker 1: because they said that they claimed they ran out of
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  Speaker 1: a room. We had a one bedroom that we were
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  Speaker 1: staying and they claimed they only had the two bedroom
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  Speaker 1: beach front ones the last for the extra night we
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  Speaker 1: want staying. We're like, okay, well we'll just move across
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  Speaker 1: or whatever. And we basically got the full day because
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  Speaker 1: they let us check out at noon and they let
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  Speaker 1: us check into the room super early. But we did
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  Speaker 1: have to haul everything across the hotel or whatever, and
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  Speaker 1: so all I want to do. So we were at
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  Speaker 1: the beach, I'm like, okay, we never put the baby's
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  Speaker 1: feet in the ocean. At the Annamary Island and Key
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  Speaker 1: West that did have beaches, people say they don't have beaches.
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  Speaker 1: They did have beaches. But I guess it's not known
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  Speaker 1: for their beaches. So we never put the baby's feet
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  Speaker 1: in the Animary Island, and so I was like, I
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  Speaker 1: just want to take a picture on the beach with
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  Speaker 1: the baby. I want to put his feet in the
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  Speaker 1: ocean so we can be like this he's you know,
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  Speaker 1: made it into the ocean or whatever. And these children
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  Speaker 1: were on a level and I just was like I
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  Speaker 1: just broke down. I was like it did shock them
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  Speaker 1: though they were like, oh wow, we've really done it
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  Speaker 1: this time. It did shock the five year old. She's
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  Speaker 1: just like looking like, oh God, we've broke mommy. Yes,
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  Speaker 1: she's normally it's Stew's fault. So why are you looking
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  Speaker 1: at your phone?
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  Speaker 2: Because it gave me a notification.
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  Speaker 1: We also ran out of cell service. There are not
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  Speaker 1: sweet ran out of cell data. I guess like when
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  Speaker 1: you're using maps and not hooked to the Wi Fi.
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  Speaker 1: For a whole month, we used all of our cellular
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  Speaker 1: data plus the rollover.
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  Speaker 2: So we had four or five gigs.
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  Speaker 1: So the last couple of days we had to actually
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  Speaker 1: turn our cell date off because every like every hour
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  Speaker 1: it was charging us fifteen dollars for a gigabyte of date.
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  Speaker 2: I'm like, oh my.
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  Speaker 1: So the first time it charges, were like, oh, okay, it's fine.
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  Speaker 1: You know, we pay for one or two extra these gigabytes,
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  Speaker 1: it'll be fine. But then the next one came in,
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  Speaker 1: I'm like, okay, we need to watch this one because
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  Speaker 1: this is kind of fast. Well, then the next one
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  Speaker 1: came in. It was only two hours later, and I'm like, well,
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  Speaker 1: I was like, is that a third one? So then
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  Speaker 1: that point we turned our cell date off so we
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  Speaker 1: would just be able to to like turn it on,
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  Speaker 1: get the map, and then turn it off, and so
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  Speaker 1: the load to take us to our next destination.
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  Speaker 2: So somebody was probably watching TikTok the whole time.
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  Speaker 1: No, I think it was my googling on the maps.
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  Speaker 1: I was using Google Maps to try to plan out,
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  Speaker 1: and I was just like obsessively like, okay, where should
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  Speaker 1: we stop because it's like I always needed to have
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  Speaker 1: someplace to stop in case the baby, like if the
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  Speaker 1: baby cried. It all, like our role was if the
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  Speaker 1: baby was upset, we were pulling over. Like the baby
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  Speaker 1: was priority. So if he even if we had just stopped,
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  Speaker 1: if he was there was plenty of times we were
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  Speaker 1: driving we would have just stopped and then we thought
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  Speaker 1: he was all happy and everything like that. We put
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  Speaker 1: him back in his car seat. He fall asleep. Ten
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  Speaker 1: minutes later he's crying again, so we would have to
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  Speaker 1: pull over again. So anyways, it was just like always
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  Speaker 1: needed to know where we're going to stop, what's coming
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  Speaker 1: up everything. So anyways, I did break down that last night. However,
• 10:52
  Speaker 1: we why are you making your face like that?
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  Speaker 2: What is that I'm looking at the thing over there?
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  Speaker 2: Why because I got a check thing?
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  Speaker 1: Okay, anyways, why are.
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  Speaker 2: You harassing me? This is like my entire month already.
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  Speaker 1: Anyway, so we ended up. I pulled it together there.
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  Speaker 1: I'm like, okay, I'm an adult, I need to stop crying.
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  Speaker 1: We pulled it together. We went out and we took
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  Speaker 1: pictures on the beach. So that it is that. I
• 11:24
  Speaker 1: did post a couple of pictures in the Patreon for everybody,
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  Speaker 1: like our family photos and stuff. I don't really post
• 11:29
  Speaker 1: the pictures of the children on the full because it's
• 11:35
  Speaker 1: at this point now between all of them, I have
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  Speaker 1: about we have about thirty five thousand, no thirty five
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  Speaker 1: thousand people that follow follow us between all the things,
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  Speaker 1: and so it's like that's not that many in the
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  Speaker 1: grand scheme things. But I'm just saying, if you think
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  Speaker 1: about that many people standing in a room looking at
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  Speaker 1: your children. That plus you're just open to the Internet,
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  Speaker 1: and sometimes some of those videos will get like, you know,
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  Speaker 1: hundreds of you know, not hundreds, tens of thousands, tens
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  Speaker 1: of years. So you don't really want to put your
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  Speaker 1: children's faces out there on the internet. But if you pay,
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  Speaker 1: we will show you. Wow. I'm kidding kind of anyway.
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  Speaker 1: So that's what happened. So we had a good time.
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  Speaker 1: We went I'll just do a quick rundown of the
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  Speaker 1: place we stay. So we started uh In at home
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  Speaker 1: and we went to Georgetown to visit Stu's parents, and
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  Speaker 1: then we went to Lafayette was the next step to
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  Speaker 1: visit Stu's other set of parents, and then we drove
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  Speaker 1: to Pensacola because we needed someplace to stop. Stu wanted
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  Speaker 1: to see the Blue Angels, so we stayed a place
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  Speaker 1: where we could see them fly over. And then after Pensacola,
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  Speaker 1: for a couple of days, we drove to Anna Marie Island.
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  Speaker 1: That was one of our big travel days. I got
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  Speaker 1: all the way Anory Island, stayed there for a couple days,
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  Speaker 1: then we went to Homestead, Florida. We stayed there. I
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  Speaker 1: did like Homestead. Yes, was like, oh, it's sketchy there.
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  Speaker 1: I'm like it was, I mean it was a little skey.
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  Speaker 1: There was also a wildfire and so the whole place
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  Speaker 1: smelt like like we were on fire. So we smell
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  Speaker 1: like we were at a bonfire in our entire room.
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  Speaker 1: I was at first, he was like, Oh, it's just
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  Speaker 1: they're burning something out there. I thought it was like
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  Speaker 1: a controlled burn, and then I it was still smelling
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  Speaker 1: that way the next morning. I'm like, man, this is weird.
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  Speaker 1: And so I looked it up and it was an
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  Speaker 1: actual wildfire. We like stopped in the Everglades things like that,
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  Speaker 1: and then we went to that castle or whatever that
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  Speaker 1: That was a very pretty castle and I did enjoy
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  Speaker 1: seeing it because it was real pretty. But that was
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  Speaker 1: a nightmare because like you couldn't touch And we've taken
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  Speaker 1: the kids to Europe, like we've taken them to museums
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  Speaker 1: like really old places. This place was only like one
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  Speaker 1: hundred years old. They would not let you touch anything,
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  Speaker 1: like nothing the walls or nothing. No, there was like
• 13:51
  Speaker 1: like literally you couldn't touch anything in there. They would Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: they would stand there and they had secure they would
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  Speaker 1: just like everywhere they were on you to not touch anything.
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  Speaker 1: And yes, I'm understanding, like they the kids understand not
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  Speaker 1: to touch things that are in like a but we've
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  Speaker 1: been to Europe. There's like thousands of years old like
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  Speaker 1: statues of lions and stuff, and you people are crawling
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  Speaker 1: all up on them and stuff like that, like they
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  Speaker 1: you can. They had some light. The one thing that
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  Speaker 1: we got they got in trouble with because they did
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  Speaker 1: have some little small statues of lions sitting there, but
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  Speaker 1: there was anything roped around it, and they like so
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  Speaker 1: the kids went and like touch the lion or whatever,
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  Speaker 1: and they like freaked out there, oh god, don't touch
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  Speaker 1: the lot to it was a stone line. It was
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  Speaker 1: like one hundred years old. It's like calm down, okay,
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  Speaker 1: but uh, every it wasn't real clear as to what.
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  Speaker 1: You just couldn't touch anything, like literally you couldn't touch anything.
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  Speaker 1: So there was nothing. There was a couple seats that
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  Speaker 1: were roped off, but everything else you weren't allowed to touch.
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  Speaker 1: But it wasn't a clear boundary, I would say. So
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  Speaker 1: it was a lot because and then then oh then
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  Speaker 1: there they wouldn't. It was so annoying because they act
• 14:50
  Speaker 1: like they had a bunch of stuff sitting around. They
• 14:52
  Speaker 1: wouldn't let step step come brings in the diaper bag
• 14:54
  Speaker 1: and they make it put make him put it on
• 14:56
  Speaker 1: his front. I guess so he won't turn turn and
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  Speaker 1: knock into something. It's like, what are we doing? People
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  Speaker 1: like they really did act like they I mean, we've
• 15:05
  Speaker 1: been to Versailles for God's sake with the children.
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  Speaker 2: It's not that.
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  Speaker 1: It's not that serious, folks, but they were that Viskaya museum.
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  Speaker 2: Well, we also found out at Versailla how to when
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  Speaker 2: you get to the end of the thing, how you
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  Speaker 2: can start again and go through the thing. What when
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  Speaker 2: you get to when you walk through Versailles all the
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  Speaker 2: way to the end, and it's like, I'd like to
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  Speaker 2: go through again because these children are acting up and
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  Speaker 2: get back to that spot after I calm down, you
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  Speaker 2: take that one elevator and.
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  Speaker 1: Then okay, nobody literally no one cares, No one is.
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  Speaker 2: Well, we had to because the one boy he was
• 15:42
  Speaker 2: breaking out and then Versailla and we had to.
• 15:45
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, he did have a meltdown. That was a
• 15:48
  Speaker 1: rough day. The Versaill thing anyways, no one cares about
• 15:51
  Speaker 1: the secret pass his way in Versailles all anyway, So
• 15:55
  Speaker 1: this Viscaya place, it was very pretty, but they were
• 15:59
  Speaker 1: and it's hot in Florida. It was real hot down
• 16:02
  Speaker 1: in the Everglades, real hot folks. And we're used to humidity,
• 16:05
  Speaker 1: although we've gotten soft.
• 16:07
  Speaker 2: Living up here.
• 16:09
  Speaker 1: So anyway, so we did homestead. Then we drove down
• 16:11
  Speaker 1: to Key West, and from Key West we went to
• 16:13
  Speaker 1: Cape Canaveral. Cape Canaveral, we went to Tallahassee, which brings
• 16:17
  Speaker 1: us to today's episode I'm gonna tell you about. And
• 16:20
  Speaker 1: then Tallahassee to Hattiesburg, Mississippi.
• 16:24
  Speaker 2: M hm, yes, yeah, no outside of Hattiesburg.
• 16:29
  Speaker 1: Did we make it to Hattiesburg? I mean, did we
• 16:31
  Speaker 1: drove from Tallahassee to Hattiesburger Yeah, the goat shed.
• 16:34
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 16:34
  Speaker 1: We stayed in this place with these Oh that was
• 16:36
  Speaker 1: real fun for the kids. I found this like I
• 16:38
  Speaker 1: found a unique experience in Hattiesburg. So we had to
• 16:41
  Speaker 1: make it there because they had goats and so you
• 16:43
  Speaker 1: stayed there and you could feed the goats or whatever.
• 16:45
  Speaker 1: So we stayed there Hattiesburg, and then from Hattiesburg we
• 16:48
  Speaker 1: went to Marshall Marshall, Texas. And then from Marshall, Texas,
• 16:53
  Speaker 1: I'm back on the Airbnb train though, like residents in
• 16:57
  Speaker 1: all the ones we stayed at were like dirty and gross,
• 16:59
  Speaker 1: and I'm back to Airbnb's but I'm back to Airbnbs
• 17:03
  Speaker 1: in the country. That's where I'm at now. They have
• 17:06
  Speaker 1: to be in the country. All the ones we stayed
• 17:07
  Speaker 1: at were off the grid. Oh the Popeyes ran out
• 17:10
  Speaker 1: of chicken. That was a whole ordeal. Anyways, from Marshall,
• 17:14
  Speaker 1: Texas and then from Marshall, we made it all the way.
• 17:16
  Speaker 1: We were like, we can do this, we can make
• 17:18
  Speaker 1: it home. And so we made it home from there.
• 17:20
  Speaker 1: So that was ours. We'll talk about it more because
• 17:22
  Speaker 1: I have to think about it. I'm have to look
• 17:24
  Speaker 1: when we do the shoot the Pooh about everything because.
• 17:26
  Speaker 2: There was a lot.
• 17:27
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm have to look at the pictures and like
• 17:29
  Speaker 1: go through the pier like, oh, yeah, this is that thing.
• 17:31
  Speaker 1: So anyways, we did have a good time. And then
• 17:36
  Speaker 1: bringing us to just a quick update, we are not
• 17:39
  Speaker 1: moving to Beaumont. I think we told you guys last
• 17:42
  Speaker 1: time they told us we were moving to Beaumont. I
• 17:44
  Speaker 1: got to call. Something happen with that position they were
• 17:48
  Speaker 1: sending me to and it wasn't a good my current
• 17:52
  Speaker 1: I had told my current boss, I said, make sure
• 17:55
  Speaker 1: not send me in a bad situation or whatever. And
• 17:58
  Speaker 1: so he was on vacation whenever this all went down,
• 18:01
  Speaker 1: like me getting this role in Beaumont. And so when
• 18:04
  Speaker 1: he came back, I guess he was not He did
• 18:08
  Speaker 1: not want to, Yes, he did not want to send
• 18:11
  Speaker 1: me into whatever was happening there. So now we are
• 18:14
  Speaker 1: still moving guys, though I fear not we did not
• 18:16
  Speaker 1: know there for a little bit if we were. We
• 18:19
  Speaker 1: are moving to the Houston area now, so that's where
• 18:21
  Speaker 1: we'll be, and so we're still on the path. We
• 18:24
  Speaker 1: will be moving over the summer. We got to go
• 18:26
  Speaker 1: house honey and all that stuff, but that is what
• 18:29
  Speaker 1: we'll be doing.
• 18:32
  Speaker 2: With our time.
• 18:33
  Speaker 1: Yes, so I've given up on this house. It's just
• 18:35
  Speaker 1: not going to be cleaner organized, and we'll just move
• 18:38
  Speaker 1: it all and I'll try again to the next house
• 18:40
  Speaker 1: do it. Yeah, So that's whe're at. But so this
• 18:44
  Speaker 1: brings me to the today's episode. So if you're I'll
• 18:49
  Speaker 1: find out when this starts and all put it in
• 18:51
  Speaker 1: the show notes that you can skip forward or whatever,
• 18:54
  Speaker 1: which me telling you right now, is it going to
• 18:56
  Speaker 1: do you any good? But so this week we're going
• 18:58
  Speaker 1: to Florida. And the reason we're going to Florida's because
• 19:01
  Speaker 1: we just went to Florida. And the reason and the
• 19:03
  Speaker 1: reason I fixated on this one now is because, like
• 19:05
  Speaker 1: I said, we went to Tallahassee. Now, does everybody know
• 19:08
  Speaker 1: this pop quiz? Everybody know what happened in Tallahassee. That
• 19:12
  Speaker 1: is one of the most famous.
• 19:13
  Speaker 2: That's where they built that auto crimes.
• 19:16
  Speaker 1: In history, and that would be the you know, I
• 19:20
  Speaker 1: always called it chai Omega, but it's pronounced kai ki. No,
• 19:27
  Speaker 1: I was not. I did not pledge, Stu pledge. No,
• 19:31
  Speaker 1: you didn't even make it to college.
• 19:32
  Speaker 2: So I went to the USMC.
• 19:36
  Speaker 1: Okay, anyways, the chai Omega murders from ted one Ted Bundy.
• 19:44
  Speaker 1: So in Tallahassee. I did make stew and the children drive.
• 19:50
  Speaker 1: So we left Tallahassee that morning. We were on the
• 19:52
  Speaker 1: north side of Tallahassee. I was like, man, I'd really
• 19:55
  Speaker 1: like to drive by the house where the murders have been,
• 19:58
  Speaker 1: the sorority house, And so we did go a little
• 20:02
  Speaker 1: bit out of our way and we drove back down
• 20:04
  Speaker 1: and then they dropped me off on the.
• 20:06
  Speaker 2: Corner and common street walker.
• 20:10
  Speaker 1: I look like, I look like a total creeper.
• 20:12
  Speaker 2: They look like a total street walker too. The way
• 20:14
  Speaker 2: you were dressed. What not? Not a high class street walker?
• 20:17
  Speaker 1: What are you talking about? What was I even wearing?
• 20:20
  Speaker 2: Not like shorts and a T shirt or something.
• 20:22
  Speaker 1: Oh so that's okay. Whatever. Anyways, No, I looked like
• 20:26
  Speaker 1: a creeper, is what happened. So we're in the where
• 20:28
  Speaker 1: they dropped me off on the corner and and he's like,
• 20:30
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna circle around and come back.
• 20:33
  Speaker 2: To the roundabout and came back.
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: Yes. And so I'm standing out there and across the
• 20:37
  Speaker 1: street from the school. So if you if you don't
• 20:39
  Speaker 1: know the Ted Bundy escaped. So he killed all these
• 20:42
  Speaker 1: these women and then he escaped prison in Colorado and
• 20:45
  Speaker 1: he went down to Tallahassee and he he attacked these
• 20:49
  Speaker 1: girls in the sorority house. So I found out the
• 20:51
  Speaker 1: a sorority house still still there, and I thought it
• 20:53
  Speaker 1: had been torn down and they had rebuilt it. However,
• 20:56
  Speaker 1: that was not accurate information. They actually that the house
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: is still was the same house. They just changed the
• 21:05
  Speaker 1: the like put columns and changed the coloring and changed
• 21:08
  Speaker 1: the facade out at the on the front steo. So anyway,
• 21:13
  Speaker 1: so they dropped me off and across the street was
• 21:14
  Speaker 1: like a like a covering, like a brick covering or whatever.
• 21:17
  Speaker 1: And so I'm just over there like hiding behind the
• 21:19
  Speaker 1: brick columns, like taking so unsowy and so you know,
• 21:25
  Speaker 1: I am who I am. I can't help it. I
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: had to. I mean, they're doing them. We're lucky, that's
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: all I wanted. I was going to go see because
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: I had a whole list of like places we could
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: have gone, like because he attacked someone on the down
• 21:37
  Speaker 1: the street. So anyway, so I was went and saw
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: the house and took pictures and video and then I
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: was I was like, oh, you know what, I don't
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: even remember what all. I mean, i'd heard the story
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: of what happened there, but I hadn't it's been such
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: a long time. So I thought, oh, that'll be perfect.
• 21:54
  Speaker 1: We can do just a short episode. So we're not
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: going to cover all of Ted Bundy's crimes up in
• 21:59
  Speaker 1: Washington State, Colorado, because man, it's a it would take
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: you a long time. It's it's a lot. So we're
• 22:05
  Speaker 1: just gonna talk about the Florida, the Tallahassee, the Kyle
• 22:09
  Speaker 1: Mega murders, and then him getting caught that last time,
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: that last little bit. So anyway, so this week we
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: are going.
• 22:16
  Speaker 2: To Florida's do that's what we're going to be again.
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: Yes, and then again check out our Patreon. We appreciate
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: everybody who's hanging in there. We do the Shoot the
• 22:27
  Speaker 1: Pooh each week, so we'll try to get one of
• 22:29
  Speaker 1: those recorded tomorrow and kind of recap. If it's not tomorrow,
• 22:33
  Speaker 1: it'll be this weekend. We'll recap our travels mainly and
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: talk about our new move to the Houston area. So
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: and then we have, like I said, Instagram, Facebook, TikTok
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: and I'm just killing time right now. Why I pull
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: up his things? Do you could say something.
• 22:53
  Speaker 2: I don't know what you were doing?
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: Well, you would think that after all these years, you
• 22:59
  Speaker 1: could just know.
• 23:00
  Speaker 2: That you're going to ramble on and then just rely
• 23:03
  Speaker 2: on me to do something. Yes, No, that's not how
• 23:06
  Speaker 2: this works, all right.
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: So for this for this episode, I watched a episode
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: of forty Hours Mystery on YouTube, specifically about some of
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: the survivors from the Kyomega attack, and then just some
• 23:19
  Speaker 1: random Internet googling bactoids. Yes, all right. So on Saturday,
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: January fourteenth, nineteen seventy eight, in Tallahassee, Florida. I never
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: realized how pretty Tallahassee was though, until we because we
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: kind of were just on the highway iten area. But
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: when we drove into it down the univer It's got
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: all those old moss trees and everything that roll. Pretty.
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: So in Tallahassee, Florida, Kathy Kleiner arrived back at the
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: Kyomega sorority house. Now in the house, there were other
• 23:46
  Speaker 1: sorority sisters that were already home. Everyone was having a
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: good time at Saturday night. They're just talking about their
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: plans for the weekend. Like she said, they were talking
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: about who they're dating, the other, the fraternities, blah blahlah,
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: the stuff that young collegels will be chit chatting out.
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: Just a regular Saturday night. Nothing seemed off. Now, Kathy
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: had a test on Monday, so she decided to go
• 24:07
  Speaker 1: up to her room that she shared with her sorority sister,
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: Karen Chandler. Now Karen also had like a project she
• 24:14
  Speaker 1: needed to work on. It was a sewing project, so
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: they decided to just stay in that night and just
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: hang out in the room and work on their individual
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: things that they had going on. Now, just before midnight
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: that night, they both decide to They're both tired and
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: decide to go to bed. Now. Out of a dead sleep,
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: Kathy is awoken when a door slams open. She looks
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: up and sees them. This is like every woman's worst fear.
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: Let me tell you, it's just sleeping in the middle light.
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: This is also crazy because you probably have another You
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: probably have a real sense of security being in at
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: home with like thirty to forty other people would no,
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: you would never expect. This is the stuff you fear
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: happens when you live alone, or something like that. So
• 24:59
  Speaker 1: she looks up. She sees the man and he is
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: holding something. She said it looked like a pipe or
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: a stick or something. And he walks over and he
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: hits her in the face. Now, that's what she says,
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: But whenever we find out what happened, it was not
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: just she just remembers him hitting her one time, but
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: that's it was way worse than that. So she described
• 25:19
  Speaker 1: it as like somebody hitting her with like a bunch
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: of pins or needles sticking into her. Now she's lying
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: there stunned. She sees him walk over to her room
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: at Karen and do the same to her. Now she
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: turns to look at him. He notices that she is moving,
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: so he goes back and raises the object to hit
• 25:36
  Speaker 1: her again. However, right, she remembers. Right, whenever he was
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: about to hit her again, there's lights come in through
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: the window and it startles him and he runs off.
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: And those were actually lights from a car where another
• 25:49
  Speaker 1: sorority sister who had arrived home really late in the evening.
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: So thankfully she showed up or they would have both
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: been killed as well. So just to go over the
• 25:59
  Speaker 1: injuries for Kathy, Kathy Kleiner, she had a shattered jaw
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: in three places that required extensive surgery, and her jaw
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: was wired shut for nine weeks. However that you also
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: find out from her that it was it was a
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: wired shut for nine weeks, and then she went back home,
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: you know, to recover with utter parents, and she had
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: to have more surgeries, and that it didn't set right
• 26:25
  Speaker 1: whenever they first wired it, so they had to rebreak
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: it and she had to have it wired for nine
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: more weeks like it was it was bad. So she
• 26:34
  Speaker 1: had lacerations on her right cheek, which was torn open,
• 26:39
  Speaker 1: and she almost bit her tongue in half from being hit.
• 26:43
  Speaker 2: Oh.
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: She also said her jaw like it was broken so bad.
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: It was actually just hanging off to the side, like
• 26:48
  Speaker 1: that's how bad it was. So like when she says
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: she remembers being hit one time, that's what she remembers.
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: That's not it was. It was really really bad. How
• 26:56
  Speaker 1: many times he hit her. Now her teeth, she had
• 27:00
  Speaker 1: several teeth that were broken. Karen had similar injuries. She
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: suffered at least one skull fracture, broken cheekbones, and a
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: fractured orbit in her right eye. For on her jaw
• 27:12
  Speaker 1: and face, she had she her jaw was broken. Her
• 27:17
  Speaker 1: jaw and skull were broken in around five places. They
• 27:19
  Speaker 1: believe she lost four teeth.
• 27:22
  Speaker 2: She had a.
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: Dislocated shoulder, and she had one of her hands had
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: been crushed. And then she had all these, you know,
• 27:32
  Speaker 1: just all these abrasions, lacerations all over her head. Everything.
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: So again, like they said, they they didn't remember. They
• 27:40
  Speaker 1: had been beaten so bad. They it took them a
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: long time to remember. Just those few things that they
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: do remember. Now like today, because it was just it
• 27:49
  Speaker 1: was so much. So the two girls, they wake up
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: in the hospital with all these injuries, they really, like
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: I said, had they had no clue what had happened
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: to them at all, their family.
• 28:00
  Speaker 2: And somebody's hitting you in the face.
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I'm saying, in the hospital they wake up,
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: they had no idea how they got there, how they
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: got these injuries. I mean, she just woke up in
• 28:09
  Speaker 1: her jaws like wired shut. I mean, that's pretty shocking.
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: I am reading because we went to Tallahassee and it's
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: woken my interest in the Ted Bundy stuff again. I'm reading.
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: There's a book called Bright Young Women by Jessica Knowls.
• 28:25
  Speaker 1: I'm reading it and it's like a fictional retelling of
• 28:29
  Speaker 1: the Ted Bundy story anyway, So I'm trying not to
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: get the things mixed up with what she says and
• 28:36
  Speaker 1: what actually happened. So because she bases she bases it
• 28:40
  Speaker 1: around like all of this, like what these these women
• 28:43
  Speaker 1: have said they went through. I was telling Stu, I
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: know this is really.
• 28:50
  Speaker 2: Fucked up.
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: Okay, I'm probably gonna get canceled. But to survive a
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: Ted Bundy attack, though, you know, like whenever, So like
• 29:01
  Speaker 1: at work, they'll be like, oh, we need a story, Like,
• 29:04
  Speaker 1: what's a crazy story that you have? And like, I
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: always use my one where I caught the arm dropper.
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: You know, that's like like a one. Can you even
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: be like, oh, yeah, I survived the Ted. I mean
• 29:16
  Speaker 1: it was terrible of what happened to him, but to
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: be able to survive it and have that like.
• 29:21
  Speaker 2: Ted Bundy attacked me and my sorority dorm.
• 29:24
  Speaker 1: Yes, that's crazy. So anyways, so they wake up, their
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: family has to explain, and then they also have to
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: let them know that two of their sority sisters who
• 29:32
  Speaker 1: were just down the hall actually were murdered that evening.
• 29:35
  Speaker 1: So this was Margaret Bowman and Lisa Levy. Now Margaret
• 29:39
  Speaker 1: Bowman was twenty one years old, she had been beaten
• 29:42
  Speaker 1: and strangled to death as well as being sexually assaulted.
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: And then Lisa she was twenty years old and she
• 29:48
  Speaker 1: had also been beaten and strangled as well as being
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: sexually assaulted. They had I'm not going to go into
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: how bad it was. It was really bad, like what
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: he had done to them.
• 29:56
  Speaker 2: I'm just going to keep the Yeah, they've already told
• 29:59
  Speaker 2: you what happened to the ones survived it, yes, somewhat
• 30:01
  Speaker 2: worse to the ones that didn't.
• 30:03
  Speaker 1: So we're just going to do just the general description
• 30:05
  Speaker 1: of the injuries and not go into detail.
• 30:09
  Speaker 2: If you will see drink. Investigators arrived at the sorority
• 30:13
  Speaker 2: house and as their process in this scene, they're trying
• 30:16
  Speaker 2: to understand what happened, they get a call about another
• 30:19
  Speaker 2: attack just a few blocks away. A neighborhood called about
• 30:23
  Speaker 2: the house next door. They said that it sounded like
• 30:25
  Speaker 2: someone was being beaten in there. They arrived at the
• 30:28
  Speaker 2: home and find another FSU student named Cheryl Thomas, bloody
• 30:33
  Speaker 2: on the floor. She had a dislocated shoulder and she
• 30:36
  Speaker 2: had been severely beaten, which ended with her having five
• 30:40
  Speaker 2: skull and jaw fractures, and she arrived at the hospital
• 30:44
  Speaker 2: in a coma. After seeing her injuries, the police can't
• 30:47
  Speaker 2: believe that the person that had attacked the sorority sisters
• 30:51
  Speaker 2: was also the most likely person to have attacked Cheryl.
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: Yes, it was clear. They're sitting there like they can't believe.
• 30:58
  Speaker 2: That this guy did.
• 30:59
  Speaker 1: They're a different person. Yeah, she only was six blocks away,
• 31:03
  Speaker 1: So it's like and there have all this police presence
• 31:05
  Speaker 1: which I guess all the police were at the other
• 31:07
  Speaker 1: place at this point, but that they would he would
• 31:10
  Speaker 1: have the gall to go down there and just do
• 31:14
  Speaker 1: this again. But looking at the injuries or like, it
• 31:16
  Speaker 1: has to be the same person. Who else could this
• 31:20
  Speaker 1: possibly be that would do this?
• 31:21
  Speaker 2: Yeah, we can't have two violent offenders just beating the
• 31:24
  Speaker 2: crap out of people out here. As investigators started looking
• 31:27
  Speaker 2: into the case, the lead detective actually had heard of
• 31:30
  Speaker 2: Ted Bundy. He had been all over the news with
• 31:33
  Speaker 2: his murders in Washington State and Colorado. The Colorado Police
• 31:37
  Speaker 2: did call down to Tallahassee to let them know that
• 31:39
  Speaker 2: Ted had escaped prison and that he could be responsible. However,
• 31:44
  Speaker 2: the lead detective here at the Sorority attack, he's looking
• 31:48
  Speaker 2: at this and he's familiar with Ted Bundy's crimes, and
• 31:51
  Speaker 2: his MO was charming the women and then lureing them
• 31:55
  Speaker 2: to his car or some other place and then attacking him.
• 31:58
  Speaker 2: So this is completely different than what he thinks Ted
• 32:01
  Speaker 2: Bundy's MO is. He really didn't think that Ted Bundy
• 32:04
  Speaker 2: would be responsible for just this insane amount of attacking
• 32:09
  Speaker 2: and how.
• 32:10
  Speaker 1: He attacked, because he had attacked them with a They
• 32:13
  Speaker 1: found out it was a like an oak log.
• 32:15
  Speaker 2: That would basically what like a piece of firewood, Yeah.
• 32:19
  Speaker 1: That he had picked up and he had beat them
• 32:21
  Speaker 1: with that. Because even today they talk about Ted Bundy
• 32:25
  Speaker 1: and they like people that study it, they're like, he
• 32:28
  Speaker 1: is completely unique in this situation because most of the
• 32:32
  Speaker 1: time they have a like a Jeffrey Dahmer or somebody,
• 32:36
  Speaker 1: they have like a thing that they do and that's
• 32:37
  Speaker 1: what they do every time. They don't go and switch
• 32:39
  Speaker 1: it up. It's not because what gets them off is
• 32:42
  Speaker 1: the is how they do it. That's their mo that's
• 32:44
  Speaker 1: their process that gives them that feeling that they need
• 32:48
  Speaker 1: or whatever. And so for him to go from this
• 32:51
  Speaker 1: one way that he murdered women to just like beating
• 32:55
  Speaker 1: them to death is absolutely like just completely insane. And
• 32:59
  Speaker 1: so that's why, I mean, the detective wasn't wrong. He
• 33:02
  Speaker 1: was like, this isn't even anywhere near how Ted Bundy operated.
• 33:06
  Speaker 1: Why on earth would he be down here in Tallahassee,
• 33:08
  Speaker 1: Florida and beating women to death. Yes, going into a
• 33:13
  Speaker 1: sorority house like that and doing that, that's not at
• 33:15
  Speaker 1: all how he That's more like Richard Ramirez did in California.
• 33:23
  Speaker 1: How he was so as they're looking at the crime
• 33:27
  Speaker 1: scene and getting different time SAMs for when the girls
• 33:29
  Speaker 1: were coming home and when people were last seen, they
• 33:32
  Speaker 1: determined that the attack at the sorority house, all of
• 33:35
  Speaker 1: this happened. Him doing this to these four women, all
• 33:38
  Speaker 1: happened in about fifteen minutes. They believe the attack started
• 33:42
  Speaker 1: around two forty five am, and that the assailant entered
• 33:46
  Speaker 1: the sorority house through an unlocked door. It was either
• 33:49
  Speaker 1: on the side or on the back. And during this time,
• 33:52
  Speaker 1: there's probably about thirty other girls in the house and
• 33:55
  Speaker 1: nobody heard anything like it was well, dad was all sleeping,
• 33:59
  Speaker 1: and then they I guess he just attacked so quickly,
• 34:03
  Speaker 1: like there was no time to even scream, Like he
• 34:05
  Speaker 1: just beat the one two girls like so fast there
• 34:08
  Speaker 1: was no time to scream, and then and then the
• 34:11
  Speaker 1: other two he strangled and everything, so they couldn't even
• 34:15
  Speaker 1: make a whole bunch of noise I guess to even
• 34:16
  Speaker 1: alert anybody. So they're processing the crime scene and they
• 34:22
  Speaker 1: were able to identify if you remember, on Ted Bundy,
• 34:27
  Speaker 1: there was a bite mark, and that's part of the
• 34:29
  Speaker 1: way that they that was used in his trial was
• 34:32
  Speaker 1: this famous bite mark on one of the victims. And
• 34:36
  Speaker 1: they also were able to find a semen stain and
• 34:39
  Speaker 1: some hairs in a pantyhose mask that was found at
• 34:43
  Speaker 1: this crime scene of Sheryl Thomas. So that's some of
• 34:46
  Speaker 1: the I mean, it also's nineteen seventy eight. They don't
• 34:49
  Speaker 1: have they don't have DNA testing, they don't have anything
• 34:52
  Speaker 1: like that, so blood type pretty basic. But the yes,
• 34:57
  Speaker 1: they're comparing they yeah, they end up comparing the hairs
• 35:00
  Speaker 1: to his the bite mark to his teeth like things
• 35:04
  Speaker 1: like that, but there's not a lot for this.
• 35:06
  Speaker 2: Probably their best evidence is the dental records in the
• 35:08
  Speaker 2: bite mark.
• 35:09
  Speaker 1: Yeah, the bite mark was the big one in the
• 35:12
  Speaker 1: courtroom where they he had a clear because he had
• 35:16
  Speaker 1: a it was like a real distinct bite mark that
• 35:18
  Speaker 1: he had with his teeth and everything like that. So yeah,
• 35:21
  Speaker 1: that was one of their biggest things that they used. Also,
• 35:24
  Speaker 1: it was just clearly him, like there was like, yeah,
• 35:27
  Speaker 1: there was eyewitnesses saying that they saw him at the
• 35:30
  Speaker 1: around the sorority house and everything like that. So but
• 35:33
  Speaker 1: that's the base. That's the big evidence that they had
• 35:35
  Speaker 1: that they were able to find at the crime scene. Again,
• 35:38
  Speaker 1: we're doing a brief overview this. This there people have
• 35:41
  Speaker 1: like written books and that extensive research into Ted Bundy
• 35:47
  Speaker 1: and all his crimes. This is just a brief overview
• 35:49
  Speaker 1: of the crime.
• 35:50
  Speaker 2: So since we passed bi as, we passed.
• 35:52
  Speaker 1: By and I went and creeped out at the creeped
• 35:54
  Speaker 1: the house out. You know what's crazy is I was
• 35:57
  Speaker 1: reading more. I've found that fascinating that this house was
• 35:59
  Speaker 1: still there. So I started reading like Reddit post and
• 36:04
  Speaker 1: I did tell STU when I got back there, I
• 36:05
  Speaker 1: was like, Okay, so we have two daughters, so we
• 36:07
  Speaker 1: can get one of them, at least one join the sorority,
• 36:12
  Speaker 1: and then we can go in and we can see,
• 36:14
  Speaker 1: like what's going on. Anyways, because they were saying some
• 36:16
  Speaker 1: of the girls, some of the girls knew. I saw
• 36:20
  Speaker 1: it read some posts where people like, oh yeah, I
• 36:22
  Speaker 1: won't go to FSU. The girls do know about it
• 36:25
  Speaker 1: that live there and stuff with that, and are real
• 36:27
  Speaker 1: upset because you know, when they're sorority sisters, they feel
• 36:29
  Speaker 1: like they're sisters, even if they're prot like it's a
• 36:32
  Speaker 1: whole thing with the sorority sisters. I don't get it,
• 36:34
  Speaker 1: but they feel very connected to if you're like a
• 36:37
  Speaker 1: delta Delta Pai or whatever you're like, even if you're
• 36:40
  Speaker 1: an alumni from it or whatever you're or whatever your
• 36:44
  Speaker 1: sisters or whatever. The most I know about sororities is
• 36:48
  Speaker 1: what I learned illegally blonde, and that's about it. So
• 36:53
  Speaker 1: they but then some of them were saying that some
• 36:55
  Speaker 1: of them didn't even know anything about this, and they're
• 36:57
  Speaker 1: just like staying in the rooms where this happened and stuff.
• 37:01
  Speaker 2: Then they found out and they're upset about it.
• 37:02
  Speaker 1: I don't think they found out.
• 37:03
  Speaker 2: I don't.
• 37:04
  Speaker 1: I don't think people talk about it. There was I
• 37:06
  Speaker 1: felt I thought, you know what I'm so, I'm so
• 37:08
  Speaker 1: like into truth or like thinking about true crime stuff.
• 37:11
  Speaker 1: I thought there'd be more people out of the Ted Bundy,
• 37:13
  Speaker 1: like the Kyomega House, like. I thought there'd be other people.
• 37:16
  Speaker 2: That you could talk to while they were taking paces.
• 37:19
  Speaker 1: I can't believe they still, yes, I was the only
• 37:21
  Speaker 1: one out there. So I don't know. I guess I
• 37:24
  Speaker 1: just thought in my head it would be like, but
• 37:28
  Speaker 1: I feel like the kids today, you've just moved on
• 37:30
  Speaker 1: from written there's like, Okay, well they don't know anything
• 37:33
  Speaker 1: about it, doesn't seem like it. Yeah, So but if
• 37:36
  Speaker 1: you go to FSU. You can let me know if
• 37:38
  Speaker 1: I'm wrong. But that's what I read on Reddit, so
• 37:42
  Speaker 1: that's true.
• 37:42
  Speaker 2: Only I have a factor. Bull crap, we don't.
• 37:45
  Speaker 1: We don't know.
• 37:45
  Speaker 2: So as they're trying, as police are trying to figure
• 37:48
  Speaker 2: out who could have done this, the whole town of
• 37:50
  Speaker 2: Tallahassee is on high alert. All of the fraternities and
• 37:54
  Speaker 2: all the other male students were volunteering to walk with
• 37:57
  Speaker 2: the female students when they had to go anywhere, as
• 38:00
  Speaker 2: well as sleeping in the lobbies of the dorm rooms
• 38:02
  Speaker 2: to offer some.
• 38:03
  Speaker 1: Protection, which was very nice of them, but also there
• 38:07
  Speaker 1: was concerns that it could have been one of them. Yes,
• 38:10
  Speaker 1: it's doing because they literally had no ideal because at.
• 38:13
  Speaker 2: This point they had no idea who did this, so
• 38:15
  Speaker 2: everybody was a suspect. As kara It.
• 38:18
  Speaker 1: Says, if I wrote this or something.
• 38:20
  Speaker 2: Things became more intense on February eighth, when a twelve
• 38:23
  Speaker 2: year old Kimberly Leech went missing in Lake City, Florida,
• 38:27
  Speaker 2: which is about sixty miles away. She had been called
• 38:30
  Speaker 2: to the principal's office to retrieve a purse, and she
• 38:33
  Speaker 2: never returned to her class. It is believed that she
• 38:36
  Speaker 2: came across ted Bundy at some point and he abducted her.
• 38:40
  Speaker 2: They would later find out that he tried to abduct
• 38:42
  Speaker 2: a fourteen year old girl earlier that day, but her
• 38:45
  Speaker 2: brother had shown up and he left.
• 38:48
  Speaker 1: Yeah, this was a girl in Jacksonville and her dad
• 38:50
  Speaker 1: was actually the police chief, and he tried to abduct her,
• 38:56
  Speaker 1: but her brother had actually like saw what was going
• 38:59
  Speaker 1: on and came and you know, Ted Bundy's like a
• 39:02
  Speaker 1: weak little bitch, like as soon as a mail shows up,
• 39:04
  Speaker 1: he's gone, yeah, he can't do it.
• 39:07
  Speaker 2: So now this is very confusing to investigators because they
• 39:12
  Speaker 2: weren't sure if it was connected to the Kai Omega
• 39:15
  Speaker 2: martyrs due to the fact that Kimberly was only twelve
• 39:17
  Speaker 2: years old. It wouldn't be until seven weeks later they
• 39:20
  Speaker 2: would find out what happened to Kimberly when her body
• 39:23
  Speaker 2: was found. She had been sexually assaulted and her throat
• 39:26
  Speaker 2: had been slit. Yeah.
• 39:28
  Speaker 1: Again, this is like not out of character, this is
• 39:31
  Speaker 1: out of character. He just he's basically he escaped prison
• 39:35
  Speaker 1: and turned into like a bloodthirsty psychopath and he didn't care.
• 39:39
  Speaker 2: He's just going to get it all in until the
• 39:40
  Speaker 2: kept it yeah.
• 39:41
  Speaker 1: Until they catch him. Y. Now, during all of this,
• 39:44
  Speaker 1: Ted Bundy was still living in Tallahassee. However, he was
• 39:47
  Speaker 1: unable to pay his rent and decided to flee town
• 39:50
  Speaker 1: on February twelfth, nineteen seventy eight. Now, in doing this,
• 39:54
  Speaker 1: he stole a vehicle. Just and just three days later,
• 39:57
  Speaker 1: which was exactly one month from the night of the
• 40:00
  Speaker 1: Arty's Sister attacks, he was pulled over in Pensacola around
• 40:03
  Speaker 1: one am. Now the officer had identified the volks Wagon
• 40:07
  Speaker 1: Beetles as a stolen vehicle, and that's why he even
• 40:11
  Speaker 1: they didn't know who they were looking for him. They
• 40:13
  Speaker 1: just this was a stolen vehicle, so they pulled over.
• 40:16
  Speaker 1: He loves a Volkswagen Beetle though, that's what he drove.
• 40:19
  Speaker 1: You know, you can go see the car. I think
• 40:20
  Speaker 1: it's in New Orleans. It's in some sort of crime museum,
• 40:25
  Speaker 1: the original Volkswagen I think from his crimes up in
• 40:30
  Speaker 1: Washington State and stuff. Now, whenever the officer attempted to
• 40:35
  Speaker 1: arrest Ted Bundy, he kicked the officer in the legs
• 40:38
  Speaker 1: and took off running. Well, the officer he did fire
• 40:42
  Speaker 1: at him twice but didn't hit him, and he started
• 40:44
  Speaker 1: to chase him and was able to catch ted Bundy. Now,
• 40:47
  Speaker 1: upon looking in his vehicle, they found three sets of
• 40:50
  Speaker 1: IDs belonging to female FSU students. It didn't say whether
• 40:55
  Speaker 1: they were the ideas of the girls or just ones
• 40:57
  Speaker 1: that he had stolen. They also found twenty one stolen
• 41:01
  Speaker 1: credit cards and also as stolen television. They also found
• 41:05
  Speaker 1: some glasses and some other items used to that he
• 41:08
  Speaker 1: used to disguise himself and whenever he tried to abduct
• 41:11
  Speaker 1: the fourteen year old girl, he had introduced himself. I
• 41:14
  Speaker 1: can't remember the name, but he was wearing those glasses
• 41:16
  Speaker 1: and she identified the glasses. He said he was with
• 41:17
  Speaker 1: the fire department or whatever. Now, when the officer got
• 41:23
  Speaker 1: ted Bundy into the police car as they're driving off,
• 41:25
  Speaker 1: he heard him say I wish you had killed me.
• 41:27
  Speaker 1: Which some theories are that he went to Florida because
• 41:30
  Speaker 1: he knew he would get the death penalty because he
• 41:33
  Speaker 1: was like never gonna.
• 41:34
  Speaker 2: Or he was going to get death by cop.
• 41:37
  Speaker 1: Well, yeah, I think they say. They claim some people
• 41:39
  Speaker 1: think that he wanted to die and so he knew
• 41:42
  Speaker 1: he could never stop and he didn't want to be
• 41:44
  Speaker 1: in prison because he wanted to like you know, he
• 41:47
  Speaker 1: has this desire to murder women and rape them, and
• 41:51
  Speaker 1: so he escaped and that's why he went to Florida
• 41:54
  Speaker 1: because they for sure had the death penalty and would
• 41:56
  Speaker 1: for sure go through with it.
• 41:58
  Speaker 2: After Tad's arrest, they determined that after he had escaped
• 42:02
  Speaker 2: prison in Colorado, he had arrived in tallahasse He on
• 42:05
  Speaker 2: January eighth and then the attack and then attacked the
• 42:09
  Speaker 2: girls just a week later. Ted Bundy would go on
• 42:12
  Speaker 2: trial and he would represent himself.
• 42:15
  Speaker 1: It was quite the show, yes, because it was televised
• 42:18
  Speaker 1: as well, which is I think it was one of
• 42:20
  Speaker 1: the first ones televised like that because it would have
• 42:24
  Speaker 1: been in nineteen seventy nine, nineteen eighty and then I
• 42:27
  Speaker 1: know Jeffrey Dahmers was televised, but he was in the
• 42:29
  Speaker 1: early nineties. That was a major production.
• 42:34
  Speaker 2: Yeah, same thing with Oj say Oj killed daytime television
• 42:39
  Speaker 2: with his trial during the penalty phase for the murder
• 42:42
  Speaker 2: of Kimberly Leech. We had a twist in the drama
• 42:48
  Speaker 2: Carol Boone, who's a former coworker and now the girlfriend
• 42:52
  Speaker 2: of Ted Bundy. She was on the witness stand as
• 42:56
  Speaker 2: a character witness for him during the penalty phase trying
• 42:59
  Speaker 2: to get it. I guess not not the death penalty.
• 43:02
  Speaker 2: And while she's there, Ted Bundy's like, hey, Carol, will
• 43:07
  Speaker 2: you marry me? And she said, why yes, Ted, I
• 43:10
  Speaker 2: will marry you. And since they were in front of
• 43:13
  Speaker 2: a judge, Kara Florida law obscure as it might be
• 43:17
  Speaker 2: if you were proposed to in front of a judge
• 43:21
  Speaker 2: and you accept, you are automatically married.
• 43:24
  Speaker 1: I don't know if that's still the law. But Stut's
• 43:26
  Speaker 1: acting like he's telling me about this, but I literally
• 43:28
  Speaker 1: just told him this entire thing, and then he's it's
• 43:31
  Speaker 1: just funny, it's stealing me, Like, kra did you know crazy,
• 43:37
  Speaker 1: it's obscure. Use the word obscure.
• 43:41
  Speaker 2: Well, Carol would go on to get pregnant. So Ted
• 43:44
  Speaker 2: Bundy does have one child out there in the world,
• 43:48
  Speaker 2: but nobody knows who it is.
• 43:50
  Speaker 1: I think it's a daughter, but no, I had looked
• 43:53
  Speaker 1: like a couple of years ago, because sometimes I get
• 43:56
  Speaker 1: on the like the like one of the serial killers,
• 43:59
  Speaker 1: I'm like, oh my god, like you know, just getting
• 44:01
  Speaker 1: into looking at it and stuff like that. And I
• 44:04
  Speaker 1: tried to see if anybody knew who she was, and
• 44:06
  Speaker 1: she really just dropped off met and so did that
• 44:09
  Speaker 1: Caroline Boone. Maybe she came to her senses. I don't know.
• 44:12
  Speaker 1: So this was also again because I've heard about you know,
• 44:16
  Speaker 1: we've all heard about Ted Bundy and never said that,
• 44:19
  Speaker 1: but I didn't realize he was only active. So he
• 44:22
  Speaker 1: was only active from nineteen seventy four to nineteen seventy eight,
• 44:26
  Speaker 1: and he was executed in nineteen eighty nine. And in
• 44:30
  Speaker 1: that time period, they believe he killed thirty plus women
• 44:35
  Speaker 1: in that timeframe.
• 44:36
  Speaker 2: I thought that I heard him say that they thought
• 44:39
  Speaker 2: it could be in over one hundred. What somebody said that,
• 44:44
  Speaker 2: Okay on one of them shows that you were watching.
• 44:46
  Speaker 2: It was on in the background while I was feeding
• 44:48
  Speaker 2: the baby.
• 44:49
  Speaker 1: Oh no, but I think they think it's like as
• 44:53
  Speaker 1: much as thirty six was the max number I had
• 44:57
  Speaker 1: read or whatever.
• 44:58
  Speaker 2: Well, I don't know, that's a lot for it might
• 45:02
  Speaker 2: have been a different show that started after the Ted
• 45:04
  Speaker 2: Bunny and might be talking about a different guy.
• 45:07
  Speaker 1: Well, I think we would hear about that guy if
• 45:09
  Speaker 1: he killed well they think he could have anyway, So yeah,
• 45:14
  Speaker 1: that's how from what I read, it was thirty plus,
• 45:17
  Speaker 1: so it could be one hundred. We don't know. Nobody
• 45:19
  Speaker 1: knows that they don't know about it. Is fascinating how
• 45:22
  Speaker 1: he escaped prison twice, Like he escaped prison not once,
• 45:25
  Speaker 1: but twice, guys.
• 45:26
  Speaker 2: So in Colorado, in Colorado.
• 45:30
  Speaker 1: He escaped twice in Colorado or was it once.
• 45:33
  Speaker 2: In twice in Colorado?
• 45:34
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 45:35
  Speaker 2: The second time he jumped out of the window hurt himself.
• 45:38
  Speaker 1: Yes, because because he was representing himself and a lot
• 45:42
  Speaker 1: of this stuff, he had special access to time alone,
• 45:47
  Speaker 1: like in the libraries and things like that to work
• 45:50
  Speaker 1: on his case. So he had special privileges. I think
• 45:53
  Speaker 1: that was part of the reason he represented himself.
• 45:55
  Speaker 2: He wasn't handcuff, no waistcuffs, nothing.
• 45:57
  Speaker 1: Yeah. And so the first time he jumped out of
• 45:59
  Speaker 1: a window when he been up there in the library
• 46:01
  Speaker 1: because he was allowed to be alone up there. And
• 46:03
  Speaker 1: then the second time, he like starved himself down to
• 46:07
  Speaker 1: like one hundred and forty pounds and used some of
• 46:09
  Speaker 1: the books that he had because he was given books
• 46:13
  Speaker 1: to look up research laws and stuff and was able
• 46:17
  Speaker 1: to get up out of the ceiling and escape. And
• 46:19
  Speaker 1: that's how he got to.
• 46:20
  Speaker 2: Floor guards apartment above him. Yeah, stole some clothes, locked
• 46:24
  Speaker 2: right out of the prison.
• 46:25
  Speaker 1: Yep, and then uh went to got there January eighth,
• 46:31
  Speaker 1: and within a week had murdered two women and then
• 46:36
  Speaker 1: attacked three others and then killed a little girl. So
• 46:40
  Speaker 1: crazy anyway, So that is our episode for this week.
• 46:44
  Speaker 1: Do you have a y'all need Jesus please tell me
• 46:46
  Speaker 1: no I do. Oh my god, I'm so tired. We're
• 46:52
  Speaker 1: trying to get back track on track, guys, I'm trying, Okay,
• 46:54
  Speaker 1: very tired.
• 46:55
  Speaker 2: We got we got to do that, thankfully.
• 46:57
  Speaker 1: This baby sleeps through the night like he's like a
• 46:59
  Speaker 1: hard course sleeper. He'll sleep till like nine o'clock in
• 47:01
  Speaker 1: the morning.
• 47:02
  Speaker 2: It's he's definitely related to us.
• 47:04
  Speaker 1: Yes, he's fallen in line with the other children.
• 47:07
  Speaker 2: Man Illinois man drunkenly steals police cruiser on Memorial Day weekend,
• 47:14
  Speaker 2: faces seven chargers, Kara Florida not Florida, this is Florida. Yes,
• 47:22
  Speaker 2: we're gonna stay with the theme. He steals a key
• 47:25
  Speaker 2: West police cruiser on Memorial Day weekend. As a matter
• 47:28
  Speaker 2: of fact, we just missed it. We just missed it.
• 47:31
  Speaker 2: We missed the Blue Origin rocket blowing up today.
• 47:34
  Speaker 1: We did see the one go up though.
• 47:37
  Speaker 2: Yeah, there was a SpaceX Falcon nine went up about
• 47:40
  Speaker 2: six o'clock in the morning.
• 47:42
  Speaker 1: No one was injured in the Blue Origin explosion, though.
• 47:45
  Speaker 2: Way No, there's usually a minimum.
• 47:47
  Speaker 1: Safe chimpanzee in there now.
• 47:50
  Speaker 2: A minimum safe distance that you gotta be.
• 47:52
  Speaker 1: What was that chimpanzees they sent up into space?
• 47:55
  Speaker 2: I don't know, hal or something I I can't remember.
• 48:00
  Speaker 2: I should since we were just there and they said
• 48:02
  Speaker 2: it on their video at the NASA place at the
• 48:05
  Speaker 2: Kennedy Space Center anyway, Kara, Yahoo News, Olivia Rickman, Richmond,
• 48:12
  Speaker 2: Wednesday May twenty seven, twenty six. Memorial Day weekend in
• 48:16
  Speaker 2: Key West is supposed to be about sunshine, cold drinks,
• 48:19
  Speaker 2: and good memories, just like us, Just like us.
• 48:21
  Speaker 1: The chimpanzee's name was ham Ham Hal.
• 48:24
  Speaker 2: I was off by one letter A for a su
• 48:30
  Speaker 2: one suburban Chicago man. It became something else entirely a
• 48:34
  Speaker 2: criminal record, a busted field sobriety test, some fence related injuries,
• 48:38
  Speaker 2: and enough charges to fill a very embarrassing rap sheet.
• 48:43
  Speaker 2: John Mack thirty eight of Lagrange. I'm guessing they say
• 48:47
  Speaker 2: lagrange in Illinois and stuff LaGrone, lagrange, lagrange, like Texas.
• 48:52
  Speaker 2: He was arrested Saturday, after Key West Police Department officers
• 48:56
  Speaker 2: say he climbed into an unoccupied police cruiser at Key
• 48:59
  Speaker 2: West Bite Marina and took it for a spin around
• 49:03
  Speaker 2: the parking lot, all while allegedly under the influence of alcohol.
• 49:07
  Speaker 2: You think the incident unfolded near Dante's Key Westpool Bar
• 49:13
  Speaker 2: and Restaurant on Caroline Street, where an officer was working
• 49:16
  Speaker 2: in off duty security detail, apparently keeping the piece at
• 49:20
  Speaker 2: a pool bar that on this particular Saturday would not
• 49:24
  Speaker 2: keep its own piece for long. Surveillance footage captured the
• 49:28
  Speaker 2: moment around what time you think it was, Kara.
• 49:33
  Speaker 1: That he stole the car. Yes, ten am.
• 49:38
  Speaker 2: Ten thirty two am at six twenty pm when Max strolled.
• 49:44
  Speaker 1: Out, Still a decent respectable people are out at this time.
• 49:48
  Speaker 2: Yes, he strolled out of the bar with two companions.
• 49:52
  Speaker 2: He stopped near the patrol vehicle and then, seemingly on impulse,
• 49:56
  Speaker 2: opened the door and he got in. He then reportedly
• 49:59
  Speaker 2: put the cruiser in drive and nearly struck two of
• 50:03
  Speaker 2: those same friends he had been walking alongside moments before.
• 50:07
  Speaker 2: Whether they remained his friends after that is unclear, and
• 50:11
  Speaker 2: nearby security guard alert of the off duty officer. An
• 50:14
  Speaker 2: additional KWPD units responded as Mack drove the cruiser around
• 50:20
  Speaker 2: the Marina parking lot. Officers eventually located him outside the
• 50:24
  Speaker 2: Boat House Bar and Grill, which is nearby, where he
• 50:27
  Speaker 2: reportedly claimed he had drunk somewhere between three and six
• 50:30
  Speaker 2: corona bears.
• 50:32
  Speaker 1: Bullshit, all right, there are no way you do that
• 50:37
  Speaker 1: on three to six coronas.
• 50:38
  Speaker 2: Unless you were having back in those with a shot.
• 50:41
  Speaker 2: Mac was arrested, failed to feel the sobriety test, refused
• 50:44
  Speaker 2: a breathalyzer, and sustained cuts from a fence while resisting.
• 50:48
  Speaker 2: He's now facing seven charges. The list of counts Mac faces,
• 50:54
  Speaker 2: by any measure, is a lot. Key West police charged
• 50:57
  Speaker 2: him with the DWI or DUI I mean burglary, grand theft,
• 51:02
  Speaker 2: grand theft of law enforcement equipment, reckless driving, refusal to
• 51:06
  Speaker 2: submit to DUI testing, and resting resisting arrest without violence.
• 51:13
  Speaker 2: That is the seven separate charges stemming from what was,
• 51:17
  Speaker 2: at its core, about fifteen minutes of a very bad
• 51:19
  Speaker 2: decision making near a marina.
• 51:22
  Speaker 1: Very similar time frame, very similar thing happened to in
• 51:27
  Speaker 1: someone named Ted Bundy fifteen minutes of outs.
• 51:31
  Speaker 2: Most the inclusion of grand theft of law enforcement equipment
• 51:35
  Speaker 2: is a charge that carries its own weight beyond standard
• 51:37
  Speaker 2: vehicle theft. Stealing any car as serious, but stealing a
• 51:41
  Speaker 2: marked police cruiser, complete with its equipment, communications, hardware, and
• 51:45
  Speaker 2: official insignia lands in a separate legal category. Florida takes
• 51:49
  Speaker 2: the theft government property and law enforcement equipment seriously, and
• 51:54
  Speaker 2: prosecutors tend to treat those cases accordingly. Legal expert to
• 52:00
  Speaker 2: note that when a stolen vehicle is identified as emergency
• 52:03
  Speaker 2: or law enforcement property, charges and potential penalties escalates significantly
• 52:08
  Speaker 2: beyond what a standard grand theft auto case would carry,
• 52:13
  Speaker 2: adding further complex complexity to his situation. Police said Mac
• 52:17
  Speaker 2: did not have a valid driver's license at all. He
• 52:21
  Speaker 2: was carrying an Illinois identification card, not a license, meaning
• 52:25
  Speaker 2: he had no legal right to be driving any vehicle
• 52:28
  Speaker 2: that day, let alone hit the stolen police cruiser. All right,
• 52:35
  Speaker 2: that's not it? Are?
• 52:36
  Speaker 1: Is that not it?
• 52:38
  Speaker 2: Key West has seen its share of unusual vehicle incidents.
• 52:41
  Speaker 1: Kara, You're not going to rehash the one that we
• 52:43
  Speaker 1: already talked about about the bus or whatever.
• 52:45
  Speaker 2: This is a different one. If you think a tourist
• 52:47
  Speaker 2: stealing a police car is the most outlandish vehicle related
• 52:50
  Speaker 2: incident key West has ever seen. The city's history suggests otherwise,
• 52:56
  Speaker 2: and a case that made national headlines, a North Carolina
• 52:59
  Speaker 2: tourist stole an ambulance and drove it down the famous
• 53:02
  Speaker 2: Duvall Street. We've been there with the emergency lights flashing,
• 53:06
  Speaker 2: later telling police she had done it to get law
• 53:09
  Speaker 2: enforcement's attention because she could not find her friend. She
• 53:14
  Speaker 2: reportedly thanked the officer for the ride to the jail.
• 53:17
  Speaker 2: Key West is also no stranger for the theft of
• 53:21
  Speaker 2: its beloved Conch tour train. I got a picture of that,
• 53:25
  Speaker 2: a novelty tourist attraction that has been stolen on at
• 53:28
  Speaker 2: least one account by someone, according to police, picked up
• 53:32
  Speaker 2: random passengers along the way before being arrested.
• 53:35
  Speaker 1: Oh, we really missed an opportunities to do. We should
• 53:37
  Speaker 1: have had you steal.
• 53:38
  Speaker 2: Something, steal the constraining.
• 53:40
  Speaker 1: Something No, something different. We need to pick up the different.
• 53:44
  Speaker 2: I think it would have been like because we did
• 53:46
  Speaker 2: the y'all need Jesus about stealing a constrain for me
• 53:48
  Speaker 2: to steal it?
• 53:49
  Speaker 1: We well, we barely this remind we know.
• 53:52
  Speaker 2: Where the guy that arrested the constraint got arrested southern point,
• 53:57
  Speaker 2: southernmost point Bowie.
• 53:59
  Speaker 1: Oh we've been there now, I don't remember. STU told me.
• 54:03
  Speaker 1: Somebody asked where I got the key line pie, and
• 54:06
  Speaker 1: I can't find the message. So if you're listening to this,
• 54:08
  Speaker 1: it's the place is called Blue Heaven. This is what
• 54:10
  Speaker 1: happens when Stu reads messages and then doesn't know anything
• 54:13
  Speaker 1: about it and then just opens them and then I
• 54:16
  Speaker 1: can't find it. I already went and tried to look.
• 54:18
  Speaker 1: I can't find it.
• 54:19
  Speaker 2: It was probably it's in the business suite, I think. Okay.
• 54:22
  Speaker 1: Anyways, if you're listening to this, it's.
• 54:24
  Speaker 2: Called Blue Heaven.
• 54:25
  Speaker 1: There are It is a brunch place. There was a
• 54:28
  Speaker 1: huge line, however, if you walk across the street, because
• 54:31
  Speaker 1: it was just me and the two year old and
• 54:33
  Speaker 1: the baby because Stu and them went to dry towrdtu
• 54:36
  Speaker 1: Gon the I had tickets. We were supposed to all
• 54:39
  Speaker 1: go together, but I panicked about the baby and I
• 54:41
  Speaker 1: didn't go. That's where the two hour ferry right out
• 54:46
  Speaker 1: to the National Park out there, and I just like,
• 54:49
  Speaker 1: I just like panicked about the baby, and I was
• 54:51
  Speaker 1: like I can't I'll do a lot of things. But
• 54:54
  Speaker 1: it was a ten hour so him and the five
• 54:57
  Speaker 1: year old and the three year old went, which they
• 54:59
  Speaker 1: were fine. It was mainly the baby. The big thing
• 55:01
  Speaker 1: about the baby was the that we had struggled with
• 55:05
  Speaker 1: the most was I panished about him getting hot was
• 55:08
  Speaker 1: the big thing. So I would like panic about them
• 55:10
  Speaker 1: getting motion, I get motion sickness, and then I started panicking,
• 55:15
  Speaker 1: like and then I started worrying about like the mountain.
• 55:17
  Speaker 1: The one of the big things we did not do
• 55:19
  Speaker 1: on the trip was we did not go to anything
• 55:23
  Speaker 1: that was enclosed with lots of people because we were
• 55:27
  Speaker 1: trying we did not feel comfortable exposing the baby to
• 55:31
  Speaker 1: Part of the reason we didn't fly anywhere is because
• 55:33
  Speaker 1: we didn't want to put the baby whenever. He was
• 55:35
  Speaker 1: like so young, you know, because he's like not vaccinated,
• 55:39
  Speaker 1: I mean he only has his initial ones or whatever.
• 55:42
  Speaker 1: So the big thing was to keep it like, not
• 55:45
  Speaker 1: in closed place. The only place we made the mistake
• 55:47
  Speaker 1: on that was that stupid NASA thing, and I did
• 55:49
  Speaker 1: not remember it being that bad. We went into the
• 55:51
  Speaker 1: place and or whatever, and the freaking field trips, okay, people.
• 55:56
  Speaker 2: Need they would have. There was going to be ten
• 55:59
  Speaker 2: thousand field trips at NASA tokay, do you still want
• 56:02
  Speaker 2: to come?
• 56:03
  Speaker 1: That was part of the problem I've realized now traveling
• 56:05
  Speaker 1: in May is the field trips. There were multiple places
• 56:08
  Speaker 1: we went and there were field trips, and they talk
• 56:10
  Speaker 1: about running a day a field trip. You wouldn't people
• 56:12
  Speaker 1: worry about me and my four children walking into a place. No,
• 56:15
  Speaker 1: you need to worry about a bunch of like an
• 56:17
  Speaker 1: entire group of like fifty middle schoolers walking into the
• 56:21
  Speaker 1: two chaperones. Anyways, I forgot what I was seeing. Oh
• 56:27
  Speaker 1: so waiting So anyways, the place was called Blue Heaven
• 56:30
  Speaker 1: and across the street. You can just go to the
• 56:32
  Speaker 1: bar and get the pie. You don't have to go
• 56:35
  Speaker 1: to the restaurant. They have the pie there. Problem was
• 56:38
  Speaker 1: is that like people had done like things where they
• 56:41
  Speaker 1: go and trial the key line pie around. I did
• 56:42
  Speaker 1: try something. I don't really like key lime pie, so
• 56:44
  Speaker 1: I wasn't that excited about it, but I did try
• 56:46
  Speaker 1: a couple of them. Oh and then the one place,
• 56:48
  Speaker 1: the donut place. I swear we have a tendency to
• 56:51
  Speaker 1: shut places down. You'll see eventually whenever I get to
• 56:55
  Speaker 1: that day, me and the two year old and the
• 56:57
  Speaker 1: baby went and got donuts after we dropped them off
• 57:00
  Speaker 1: at the ferry and that place closed down after fifteen years.
• 57:05
  Speaker 1: That like a day or two after we we went.
• 57:08
  Speaker 2: So, yeah, like that damn place we're trying to go
• 57:10
  Speaker 2: to on the.
• 57:10
  Speaker 1: Way, Yes, on the way there in Brady, Texas, we
• 57:13
  Speaker 1: were going to go to this place.
• 57:15
  Speaker 2: I thought it it was the train station of some sort.
• 57:17
  Speaker 1: Yes, I thought it had been opened for a long time,
• 57:19
  Speaker 1: but the restaurant had only been there a short time.
• 57:22
  Speaker 1: The place had been around for.
• 57:23
  Speaker 2: A long time. You got corrected real quick.
• 57:25
  Speaker 1: Yes, I got every person in Brady, Texas found that
• 57:27
  Speaker 1: post and corrected me.
• 57:30
  Speaker 2: And then you promptly turn around and threw me under
• 57:32
  Speaker 2: the bus, saying that I told you that.
• 57:33
  Speaker 1: Well, I thought you did tell me that. Anyways, okay,
• 57:36
  Speaker 1: I'm going in this one with some I got distracted
• 57:39
  Speaker 1: by this chimpanzee.
• 57:40
  Speaker 2: That's went up in small Pam.
• 57:41
  Speaker 1: Yes, so it was Ham and the acronym is for
• 57:44
  Speaker 1: a Holoman Aerospace Medical Center. He was trained there and
• 57:48
  Speaker 1: he was originally known as number sixty five. So they
• 57:51
  Speaker 1: trained these monkeys, these chimpanzees for like how many He
• 57:55
  Speaker 1: trained for eighteen months and then he was chosen to
• 57:57
  Speaker 1: go on this mission, so I'm assuming there was at
• 58:02
  Speaker 1: least sixty five chimpanzees that were in this. So he
• 58:07
  Speaker 1: survived the flight. He was just tired and dehydrated, but
• 58:09
  Speaker 1: when he got back down he was able to eat
• 58:11
  Speaker 1: and drink. He After his mission, he retired and he
• 58:15
  Speaker 1: was transferred to the National Zoo in Washington, d C.
• 58:17
  Speaker 1: And then later to the North Carolina Zoo. In nineteen
• 58:20
  Speaker 1: eighty three. He died at the age of twenty five
• 58:23
  Speaker 1: in the North Carolina Zoo. And now I'm gonna end
• 58:26
  Speaker 1: up having to go on a freaking road trip again
• 58:28
  Speaker 1: because he was buried in the in front of the
• 58:33
  Speaker 1: International Space Hall of Fame in Alamo Gordo, New Mexico,
• 58:39
  Speaker 1: which is four hours and forty five minutes from us, So.
• 58:41
  Speaker 2: We got to go, seem it's over.
• 58:43
  Speaker 1: There by that White Sands National Park. Oh, anyways, and
• 58:47
  Speaker 1: his skeleton is held by the National Museum of Health
• 58:49
  Speaker 1: and Medicine.
• 58:50
  Speaker 2: So wait, they deboned him and then buried it. Yes, Oh,
• 58:54
  Speaker 2: come on.
• 58:57
  Speaker 1: I'm guessing the one is because they did research on
• 59:00
  Speaker 1: bones and stuff after he came back to see what
• 59:02
  Speaker 1: it did to him.
• 59:03
  Speaker 2: He was only that probably twelve hours.
• 59:05
  Speaker 1: Well, they didn't know what it did at that time
• 59:06
  Speaker 1: he was in anyways, so now there's your fun fact
• 59:10
  Speaker 1: for the day. So about Ham the chimpanzee. Anyways, all right,
• 59:14
  Speaker 1: Well we will try to see you guys next week.
• 59:17
  Speaker 1: We're trying to recover from his trip. It's been it's
• 59:19
  Speaker 1: been a go.
• 59:19
  Speaker 2: It's been downtown. Good thing. We're on maternity.
• 59:23
  Speaker 1: Well probably is two guys. I go back to work
• 59:26
  Speaker 1: next week, so oh.
• 59:28
  Speaker 2: Shit, I'm on my own with these forks.
• 59:30
  Speaker 1: Yep, oh Jesus, so we will not and we got
• 59:33
  Speaker 1: to move. So oh at some point we will be
• 59:35
  Speaker 1: going to the Houston area to go look for houses
• 59:38
  Speaker 1: here in the next month or so. They just contacted
• 59:40
  Speaker 1: me today about the uh because it is for work,
• 59:43
  Speaker 1: so I have like a relocation cover or whatever. So
• 59:48
  Speaker 1: we'll go to Houston and look for houses and yeah,
• 59:51
  Speaker 1: that's about it. I'm excited. I've never lived in a
• 59:53
  Speaker 1: really big town like that. That's like one of the
• 59:55
  Speaker 1: biggest cities in the world. So I'm excited about all
• 59:59
  Speaker 1: the different cuisine we can go eat, and then like
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 1: all the libraries and stuff like that, because out here
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 1: there's there's like two libraries in town and they're both
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 1: shit they have no books anyways. All right, well that's it.
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 1: We gotta go. Yes, all right, we'll see you guys
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 1: next time. By everyone, say bye, Steve.
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 2: Don't you know it's bad to be superstios linapping else
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 2: it's working, it's really learning. Sack this word. Fine hands,