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Coming up on this week's episode of Hip Hop Now podcast, BT hip Hop
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Awards Happened? Does anyone care? Swiss Beats and Timberland own versus again and
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say it will return soon? Does anyone care? And my thoughts on West
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Side Gun's latest album and then pray for me. That's exactly what I said
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you a quick story before I get into this headline. The BT hip Hop
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Awards just happened. I did not know. You know, I didn't know
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because I haven't watched an award show in its entirety and over. Oh my
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god, it gotta be like almost thirty years. I'm not even on front.
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It's up there. It might be twenty five or something like that,
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or even twenty two, just being generous. And my reason for that is
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I'm not on any strike. You know. I'm not like, oh,
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I'm protesting none of that. It just got to a point where I wasn't
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as interested as I used to be when I was much younger. When I
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was much younger, I wanted to see performances and see who would win and
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things like that. Now, because I probably know a little bit too much
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about this industry, not to say that it isn't an entertaining watch for you.
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It's just that a lot of the performances sometimes are lacking and or rely
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too heavy on theatrics around the you know, the artists. I remember when
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DMX debuted his new song, I forget the name of it, but it
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was the one like did at that? Who we be? That record?
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Right? Nobody had heard it before. It was just DMX on the stage
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the song and his hype made me hype for that song. I liked that
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song and it made me hype for his album. That's what I'm talking about.
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Performances like that where you don't really need much because the artist is enough,
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right, Not that everything has to be that, because I've seen some
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dope shows with you know, pyrotechnics and whips and cars and stuff like that.
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But there's that part, and then also there's the awards part. Right,
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A lot of times there's some politics involved, you know sometimes unfortunately got
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to look at who's producing, who's on the voting panel, and things like
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that, and it kind of makes sense like as to not only who wins
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sometimes but who even gets nominated. And I think we just live in a
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day and age, especially now with the Internet and just being able to connect
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to content from your favorite artists or new artists that half the time you've already
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kind of seen what they can offer from a performance, or you've already kind
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of heard it, or whatever the case may be. But more importantly,
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when it comes to the music, so much of it comes out and in
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my line of content creation, I absorb so much that I have an expectation
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for the best, and sometimes none of that is on the list for hip
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hop. So that's why I don't typically watch. I'll watch highlights, but
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I won't sit there through a three hour show and watch because I don't care
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that much. But you care, so I'm doing this for you. So
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the BT hip Hop Awards took place, and I think in a previous episode
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we talked about the nominees. Let's talk about the winners quick couple of highlights.
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Though Marley Marl was honored, it was a tribute to him. I
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think that was pretty dope because they got that right, to be honest,
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because a lot of times these award shows will give a Lifetime Achievement award to
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an artist or a producer that's kind of like a household name nowadays. You
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know, even if they're older, right, like grand Master Flash is,
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he still gets a lot of work. So and it's not just amongst the
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hip hop community or the black community. So he's kind of like a household
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name, right, even though it came out so long ago. But then
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there are people who the hip hop heads know and grand Master Flash would know,
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that are so important to the culture, but nobody knows them and nobody
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ever brings up their name. You know, you got to be a bunch
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of old heads for when they're talking about, you know, greatest producers of
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all time and you hear Mally Mal's name and get dropped. Because what you
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must understand that now there may be so many different producers who are quote unquote
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at the top. Back in the days, there was a moment where a
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single producer would like own production. For the most part, other people were
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producing. Don't get me wrong, it were high, but there was like
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the guy, and the guy would change periodically, right, and at one
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moment in time, Marlly Mal was the guy, like late eighties into the
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nineties, if you're count and Mama said, knock you out. Also,
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Molly mal was a guy for a minute, a number of hits, Juice
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Crew ll all of that. So that happened. I thought that was pretty
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dope that it happened. Coming hold up, this truck just going a truck,
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just driving right right in my neighborhood. Just I don't know why.
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So let's go over some of the awards and who won. Hip Hop Artists
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of the Year went to Kendrick Lamar and I think that's like some kind of
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record for him. But again, I don't care about Ward show, so
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you should look that up. Song of the Year went to Lil Uzi Vert
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just want to rock. First of all, I'm not mad at the Kendrick
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because mister Morale and the Big Steppers the tour, he was that guy.
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He deserved it. Song of the Year though, Little Uzzi Vert. Now,
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when I look at the songs that are here, and I'm just gonna
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name kind of the ones for that people know and not all of them,
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but like oh that are recognizable, like Little Dirk and j Cole all my
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life probably known more for the Jacob Verse, DJ Kelly, Rick Rosslow Wayne,
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jay Z, God did who else is here? Coyle Lay Players.
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That song was pretty popular, but that's what us Drake and twenty one Savage
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Rich Flex. I'm not a twenty one Savage fan, so I did not
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really listen to that album maybe once, but I think little Uzzi Vert should
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get this. And this is not really about songwriting. I know song of
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the Year, but when I tell you as an old head, the build
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of that song, that beat was just so infectious. It was fun.
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And he also was at WrestleMania with this, so I don't know that's my
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excuse, but don't forget what I said. This list of songs of the
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year should have been a little bit different. Hip Hop Album of the Year
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went to Drake and twenty one Savage just for context, so you know,
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Glo Riller was in it. Coyla Ray, DJ Khaled, Metro Booman,
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Jack Harlowe, Uzzi Vert and Meghan the Stallion. Guess which one of those
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were in my top five of last year? Not one. Best hip hop
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video litl Uzi Vert just won to rock, don't I don't know, I
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don't I don't really watch videos. Best collaboration Little Dirk and j Cole,
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even though if you asked me and there was one sided impact track Little Dirk
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featuring j Cole again. Now this is interesting because the nominees were Nas thirty,
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Megan thee Stallion, Anxiety, Simba Can't Win for Nothing. That record
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is Dope, nl E Chopper, who Guts God did Killer Mike three stacks
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in Future Scientists and Engineers. I think that had impact for two seconds.
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I still like it, but it was like two seconds. And Robert Glassper
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featured in mc miller Therapy Part two. All right, best duo or group
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Drake and twenty one Savage. That was almost like a no brainer because I
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don't know, it just seemed where Now, if we want to be real,
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he's the duos and groups named for that year, City Girls, DJ
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Drum and Jeezy Drake and twenty one Savage, Earth Gang, Larry June and
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the Alchemists quaver On Takeoff. Now, out of those, if I'm just
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selecting from those, no, I'm not picking Larry June and the Alchemists.
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I'm not a fan of the disinterested rhyme style. I'm sorry, don't mean,
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ain't whack. It's just not my cup of tea and when I say
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disinterested talking about the way Larry June rhyme's and the way Body James rhyme.
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You know what I'm talking about? That didlot. I don't really want to
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be here, but here goes he goes from Raps. But that album from
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Takeoff and Kueo was I kind of liked it a lot, a lot a
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lot, so hey. Best live performer Kendrick Lamar. This kind of hands
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down best breakthrough hip hop artists Ice Spice. Now you want to talk about
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industry plants? She is no different from Takashi six nine, Like, do
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you even know what rap is? Because you look like a deer in headlights
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while you're rapping. Okay. Lyricists of the Year Kendrick Lamar, Now let's
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go. Let's go because my fans, you know, we like bars.
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So do I say pauls for that? I don't who cares. Lyricists of
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the Year twenty one. Savage was nominated. Okay, let's keep going.
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Andre three thousand, damn didn't he just have a verse We're starving out here,
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all right, burn a boy, stop it. I don't see dancehall
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or afro beat, afro futurists. I don't see. Okay whatever, Cardi
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bat what. I don't know Cardi bb having singles. Conway the Machine,
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No, they didn't. Okay, he's on here. Well, at least
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that's good. Drake J. Cooles a couple of verses Kendrick Lamar, Yeah
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to me, Conway and Kendrick should be considered because they had albums. But
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at the end of the day, I don't know. Just to BET Ords
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Producer of the Year, this is the last couple. Producer of the Year
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went to Metro Booming Blasphemy. This for last year. Hold up, Blasphemy
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should go to hip Boy every year until him and now stop. Okay,
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even Alchemists should have had a shot. I don't know. I guess so.
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Video director of the Air Kendrick Lamar and Dave free Dan Kendrick Lamar cleaned
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up BET hip Hop Awards, y'all. That was That's what happened. I
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didn't watch. You can go over to hip Hop d x dot com.
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They got a layout of who won, or you can go to BET.
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I saw a snippet of one cipher kind of kept it moving. I just
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I just don't care as much as I used to. But it's always interesting
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to see who's nominated and who wins, and the same goals for the Grammys.
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So we'll see Swiss Beats and Timberland now that they have Versus back because
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they sold it, but now they got it back, they say it's coming
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back soon and it's going to be better than what it was when they sold
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it. I'm not gonna spend too much time on this, y'all. I'm
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like doing these long episodes. But do we care? Do we really care?
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I kind of somewhat, I think for those that don't know. I
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don't know how you didn't know, we al was in the house resting peace
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of the people who passed away as a result of coronavirus. But during the
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lockdown, you know, there were wasn't much entertainment right Sports was on hold
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for a second, you know, or it returned in some kind of weird
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way with you know, just empty place and stuff like that. And one
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of the things that kind of united and I'm gonna just keep it a buck
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because it is what it is. Black culture while we were in our homes
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was Versus. Not that it was exclusive to us, but it was definitely
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for us by us. Okay, Fuboo and when it started. Originally it
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basically was a concept that Pete Rock and I think DJ Premier did. Originally
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they used to do like a pe Rock versus Primo kind of thing, like
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in concert almost, but it wasn't a big thing. So during the pandemic,
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when Swiss and Timberland started to put these things together, it was cool
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because you got to see like your favorite artist or producer whoever was in the
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versus like at home playing joints. But it was it was like piecemeal because
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you know, like for example, when it was Premier versus Riza, Premier
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kind of already had a setup because he already, like with DJ to the
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Internet live anyway, so he already had a setup for his audio, whereas
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Rizza Sauna kind of didn't and looked like he's playing from a stereo for a
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second, or like from his computer or whatever. So it was like all
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these weird quirks. But it was kind of dope to see Riza's in lockdown,
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but he got dressed for versus and he in his living room, you
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know what I'm saying, Like Premiers in his lab in his crib, and
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you know, we're all online and talking and you know, you got your
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own personal group chats, you making comments on Instagram because it was like it
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was an Instagram thing, and you know, maybe tweeting. Like it was
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just just all this social interaction around music and nostalgia. And I think in
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a lot of ways it sustained a lot of people. You know, they
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had something to look forward to beyond just like watching Netflix or listening to music,
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or playing a video game or talking on internet. This was like going
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to just one big concert and everybody can attend, can attend. But I
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was gonna say for free, but you got to pay for internet, but
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you know what I mean, for free. So it was cool. And
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then it kind of evolved into more of a Okay, we're still in lockdown,
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but now we in this isolated location where everybody has to you know,
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get checked and it's not a crowd and all of that. And now it's
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being presented, so now it sounds better and you could see the people together
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and the DJ could handle you know, the mixing, and it just went
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on and on from ned to you know, then there was a little crowd,
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and then it got to I think the last couple and I don't know
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if this might have been. Once they sold it, it was more like
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concert based, right, like come out to this concert, Big Daddy came
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versus kras One. So it evolved in it's something dope, and there was
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a certain level of momentum right from not only or evolution, I should say,
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but not only to well both you had versus changing from this in your
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crib over the internet thing to a constant situation and as the same time as
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you had people being on lockdown and restrictions being lifted about gatherings and you know,
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venues and you know COVID shots and stuff like that. So it was
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dope because it was like, oh, this is where we are now.
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They created something during the pandemic and here we are, and then they sold
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it and it didn't do well. Whatever they booked I can't remember, but
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not Timbland and Swiss Beach, but who they sold it to, which I
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think was Triller something like that, and who also did like the box and
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stuff and YouTubers fighting. But it just got to a point where it was
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just so not what it was and everybody was back outside and regular concerts were
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happening, and these verses weren't happening as frequent as they used to. It
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just wasn't the same thing anymore. It slowed, they lost the momentum,
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and it kind of felt, at least to me, like that was a
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time to be alive, when we was all locked down and that thing that
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time when Jadakiss did what he did to dip set. But now we don't
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care anymore. And who else would you get at this point? You know?
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So according to Timberland and Swiss Beats, not only is it coming back,
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and not only do they now have it, they feel like it's going
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to return to form and just really quick. And I quote me and my
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brother created something special and it ain't over, said Timberland on Hip Hop DX
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dot com. I believe. Oh that's where I'm getting this from Black Owned
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versus me and Swiss Beats. I'm glad to share this with my brother and
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here Swiss Beats, like Tim said, we own versus again. We got
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quiet for a minute, but we're gonna come back strong and show you what
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it is. This wasn't just something for the pandemic. That's something for the
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world. And apparently this announcement was at the BET Awards. See I don't
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watch you and I guess I miss out both kiss Now do we care?
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I don't? Do you care? Is the key? I think. For
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one, they're gonna have to have a mean lineup that's going to make you
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because there's some there's some verses that we did not get that I think people
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would show up for if it was going to happen. Let's just say it
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Nas versus Jay Z would everybody would be back on board if it happened,
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But it might never happen. Mary J Blise versus somebody she said she would
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just put on one album and walk away. Depends on who's standing next to
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her. One of them is in jail, but we're not gonna mention him.
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But I mean, that's to me, that's what it takes. It
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depends on the lineup, It depends on the interests and also the presentation,
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because they can say it wasn't a pandemic thing, but that was the glory
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day when it was the pandemic and people couldn't go to see especially those who
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would have gone to see it. That was the glory days. Now it's
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turned into more of a spectacle with you know, certain people just not living
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up to expectations, like Shaka Khan and Marion and them like it became more
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of some buffoonery things, So I don't know. They have a lot of
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damage control to do in order for people to carr again. And lastly,
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so west Side Gun if you follow him on Instagram, if you follow him
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on Twitter, but specifically Instagram, well I guess both. He is pretty
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active. He is a true leader in the sense that he will start the
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hype train and make sure it lands in the station. He has a new
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album out called and Then You Pray for Me, which is sort of like
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a sequel for Pray for Paris, which was an album. On my first
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impression, I was like, it's cool, and then I started to like
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it a little bit more as time went on. This is basically the sequel,
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similar artwork in some ways. It contains twenty one songs. It's about
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an hour and fifteen minutes in length on Griselda Records. Features obviously Conway,
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Benny, DJ Dramas, Stove Cooks, Rick Ross is on here, who
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else is on here? Tdd Dallas On, Danzel Curry at Rome Streets and
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on and on and on. Now, just so y'all know, when it
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comes to me and I'm giving my impressions not really a review, but more
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of my impressions of the album, but I guess you can call a review.
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I listened to it three times. The first listen it's sort of like
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my initial impressions. The second listen is to just listen deeper and make sure
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I understand what he was going for here, and the third listen is just
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to confirm my thoughts, and my thoughts, to save you a little bit
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of time, are that it's just okay and some respects it's kind of a
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disappointment, But the only thing that's disappointing to me about it, and I
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think this just goes for a couple of artists today is stop hyping things up
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to be the greatest thing ever created, just for people to be let down.
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Now, you may not think it'll be a letdown, but you're setting
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expectations so high that you're trying to doctrinate us, or maybe you're trying to
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hypnotize us and then have us walk out and like, yeah, it is
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the greatest album I've ever heard. It is not. It's not even the
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greatest Westside Gun album I've ever heard. Is it bad? I don't think
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so. I just think it's too many songs. I think there's some songs
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that are dope that I was like, Okay, this is crazy, and
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sometimes they'd be like back to back, and then there are other songs like
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did we really need that? Did we really need five trap six eight track
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records? Nah? Because they didn't really do anything, you know what I'm
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saying. So it was a lot of that. It was a lot of
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hit and miss, and there was a lot of redundancies and things. You
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heard songs he's kind of made before over and over again, like the song
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would tied Dallas on right. Let me just get the name, so I
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just get the song right, so you know it's called Chloe What side.
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Gun has probably made this type of song on every album he's released, and
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guess what happens. Always skip it. I always skip it. And maybe
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it's not for me. Maybe there's a reason why he makes this type of
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song, as maybe he goes and does this type of record at a show
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and the ladies go crazy, maybe the dudes even go crazy. But I
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just kind of feel like, how is this any different than the other one?
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Uh? And the same goes for some things and in a lot of
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ways, you know, maybe that's being a little harsh because this is this
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is how he raps, this is what he raps about. What else would
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I expect? You're right, but what I don't expect is for you to
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tell me is the greatest album of all time? And I think, and
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this is this is a plus for him. But I think he does an
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excellent job of building to the album with the video footage. You know,
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he always out of town, you know, he got the gear on and
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all that, and you get snippets of music and it really feels like something
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special. But I just feel like this album would have been better if he
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would have cut like half the songs and kept the strongest cuts and then like
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released like everybody else two three four weeks later released a deluxe version that adds
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some of these other records you take off, because I think if the initial
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impression is that, yo, this album is crazy, then you'd rather have
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that. And then you know, if there's a deluxe people would be like,
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oh, these joints is cool, but they're extra. They're not a
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part of the presentation. But when the album is kind of already bloated and
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it's hit or miss in the day in age I said this with the Drake
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album. In the day and age of being able to make your own playlists,
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it becomes very easy to look at an album that you do not like
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as a whole and just say, I'm gonna just throw those two joints on
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my playlist and never listen to that album ever. Again, That's what happens
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a lot, and it's kind of disappointing because for weeks, if not for
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months, where he's been building, I was this is probably one of my
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highly anticipated albums because I just kind of looked at it, like, you
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know, I know everything's coming out, but it's time for a West Side
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Gun type album. It's just too many songs, y'all. And you know,
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all the songs aren't that good. Like there's one song featured in Stove
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God where he does the hook, this redundant hook to me and a verse,
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and I really don't like it. And it just was frustrated because I
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started thinking about Dann, can we just get a Stove God Cook's album so
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we don't have to like hear them like this because now it's starting to become
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hit or miss. But then there's another record where he gets basically on that
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record and the beat his dope and Westside Gun versus Dope, and you're just
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like, man, maybe this should have been the only Stove God feature on
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this album. Right. But the problem is is, you know, it's
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a different age, right. I'm saying all this because I prefer shorter albums
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and a tighter experience as far as when you're listening to the album from beginning
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to end, right, But now we live in an age where people want
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you to dump forty five records on them so they can choose and pick and
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have a playlist, and had this experience that only lasts a week of listening
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and then they move on to the next thing. So will this be in
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my best of the year right now? No? But I will say this.
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I gave a similar review about Conways album that dropped this year. I
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always mix it up because it's a weird title like will he won't He?
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Or won't he Say? Or something like that. You know what I'm talking
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about that album, And I was like, man, this just didn't meet
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expectations. Blah blah blah. I said a lot of the same stuff.
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It was a shorter album, but I said a lot of the same stuff.
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And when I tell y'all, I listened to that album more and more
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as the year goes on. It could change my mind. I just doubt
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it will happen with this record because it's twenty one tracks and it's an hour
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and fifteen minutes, and there are some songs on there that are just what
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you know, how you see on the internet. On the Internet, of
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course, you see everything on the internet. People like parody Westside Gun,
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like make jokes about this type of stuff he would talk about and how he
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would do. There are certain songs where it don't even it sounds like a
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joke. It doesn't sound like something that's hot that he did. It sounds
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like he's in on the joke right, Like he's parody, Like he's a
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parody of himself on the record, because some of them are like really bad,
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like really bad, like you're going for something that you think is fly,
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but it's it's just not musically gratifying, let's just say, or satisfying.
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I don't know. It's been a long day. But nevertheless, I
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think if you're a West Side Gun fan, you should check it out.
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You know, you may or may not like it. If you're not a
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West Side Gun fan, This album will not make you a fan. We
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can give you all because he got a bunch of joints that are crazy.
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We can give you a list of those. And if you are curious,
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I say, why not? Why not listen to it? That's gonna do
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it for me. What do you think about Westside Guns brand new album?
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And then pray for me? What do you think about the BET Hip Hop
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Awards? Do you watch? I don't know. Did you like the tribute
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to Atlanta that happened? Well so so deaf? I think yeah, something
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