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Inside the Shohei Ohtani Collectibles Market w/Brooks Peck + Jonathan Lucroy claps back at Kelce bros · Foul Territory

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Speaker 1: Brooks Peck is joining us right now. He writes for
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Speaker 1: The Athletic and covers a topic that I think is
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Speaker 1: super fascinating and we've been looking forward to chatting here.
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Speaker 1: Senior editor for Sports Memorabilia and Collectibles at The Athletic, Brooks.
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Speaker 1: Great to chat with you, and of course we're having
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Speaker 1: you on to talk baseball and specifically starting with sho
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Speaker 1: Hey Otani and the Dodgers graze with anything related to
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Speaker 1: him out there. So how you doing and what are
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Speaker 1: you seeing from your perspective in terms of anything that
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Speaker 1: he touches or anything that has his nil turning into gold.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's pretty incredible. Thanks for having me, guys. But
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Speaker 2: you know, usually in the collectibles world, it's in season
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Speaker 2: is when things go crazy for a player, when they're active,
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Speaker 2: when they're doing amazing things on the field or the court,
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Speaker 2: and that's when you see their collectibles values go up
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Speaker 2: or down if they're not doing as well. Otani had
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Speaker 2: an unusual off season in that his all of his
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Speaker 2: collectibles are men of his collectibles skyrocketed even when he
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Speaker 2: was not playing. You know, yes, he had another World
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Speaker 2: Series win, another MVP win last season, but it's really
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Speaker 2: unusual to see a player's collectibles values go up so
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Speaker 2: much in an off season for them, But that's what
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Speaker 2: happened for show, and you know it continued into the
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Speaker 2: WBC and now and to the start of the regular season.
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Speaker 2: But it's really kind of anything and everything with his
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Speaker 2: name on it is going crazy. One of his jerseys
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Speaker 2: from the WBC, from the game that Japan versus Chinese
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Speaker 2: type a game when he hit the Grand Slam. That
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Speaker 2: jersey's sold on MLB auctions for one point five million dollars.
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Speaker 2: It's not even you know, that wouldn't be in the
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Speaker 2: top ten most important show. Hey Italian jerseys, you would
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Speaker 2: list off, But you know everything's commenting in big prizes,
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Speaker 2: even his collectible souvenir cups at Dodgers games.
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Speaker 3: We're going to get to those souvenir cups. But when
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Speaker 3: you talk about collectibles, I need to talk about the
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Speaker 3: fact that these collectibles. You said, this is when the
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Speaker 3: price is the highest, but people collect them. When's the
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Speaker 3: next price jump? Like do people need to collect all
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Speaker 3: this show? Hey stuff? Wait for him to become an
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Speaker 3: envy I mean, wait for him to become a Hall
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Speaker 3: of Famer, or is it the day he retires, when
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Speaker 3: does it become when does it take the next jump
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Speaker 3: for all these people right now who just have jump.
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Speaker 2: That's a great question. I mean, you know, if it's
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Speaker 2: kind of untired waters again to have a player go
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Speaker 2: through an off season and have their values climbed so
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Speaker 2: much during that downtime. So now at the start of
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Speaker 2: a period where we should be seeing a rise for show, hey,
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Speaker 2: we're kind of wondering what happens next. You know, It's
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Speaker 2: it seems like his values can't get much higher than
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Speaker 2: what they are at right now. But if he goes
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Speaker 2: out and wins a cy Young this year, if he
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Speaker 2: wins another MVP, another World Series, you never know. People
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Speaker 2: are so excited about him, and his market is so huge.
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Speaker 2: He's so unique in so many ways. But just the
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Speaker 2: fact that his collectibles market is global, it's not just
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Speaker 2: us obviously, it's not just Japan, it's it's all over
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Speaker 2: the world. That helps so much. That puts him in
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Speaker 2: such a different category from any other active baseball player.
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Speaker 2: He's really kind of reached, starting to reach even like
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Speaker 2: the Michael Jordan type level of just global superstardom and
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Speaker 2: worldwide value that few ever reached.
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Speaker 4: That was my question, is there have we ever seen
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Speaker 4: anybody like this? Is there any I mean, listen, as
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Speaker 4: somebody that knows that Michael Jordan's golf course. They used
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Speaker 4: to sell the bags from the pro shop on eBay
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Speaker 4: for like fifty bucks seventy five just for a bag
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Speaker 4: that said the name of MJ's golf course. Have we
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Speaker 4: ever seen anything like this in sport as far as
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Speaker 4: collectibles go at that second, right, like now you know
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Speaker 4: Griffy Rookie Carve the upper deck one, right, or the
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Speaker 4: Mantal card or the Honus Wager. Now those are just
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Speaker 4: relics from for a long time ago. But have we've
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Speaker 4: ever seen somebody in the height of their career just
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Speaker 4: explode on the memorabilia scene? And is it because show
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Speaker 4: Hay doesn't sign a lot of stuff and there's not
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Speaker 4: a lot of stuff out there with him.
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Speaker 2: I mean, he does sign a lot. He's a deal
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Speaker 2: with fanatics where he's signing a good number of cards
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Speaker 2: and baseballs and jerseys and everything. So there is a
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Speaker 2: decent supply of his stuff out there. It's just that,
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Speaker 2: you know, the demand is so huge and so global
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Speaker 2: that it's even bigger than what that considerable supply is
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Speaker 2: But yeah, I mean, like I said, Jordan is really
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Speaker 2: the closest comp at this point. And still Jordan is
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Speaker 2: his own level, even above what show Hay has reached recently.
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Speaker 2: The most searched athlete on eBay even today, every single month,
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Speaker 2: the biggest collectible's marketplace in the world is Michael Jordan,
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Speaker 2: every single month without fail, even twenty five years after
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Speaker 2: he last played played basketball. So show he isn't quite
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Speaker 2: at that level yet, but the fact that he's even
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Speaker 2: as close as he is at this point, it's pretty
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Speaker 2: remarkable because you know, he's far from done. He still
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Speaker 2: has a lot more to do in the game and
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Speaker 2: you know, a long way to go.
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Speaker 4: A Brooks. You mentioned Michael Jordan, Well, then that would
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Speaker 4: be my next question. Is it because he didn't sign
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Speaker 4: anything for Cille Remember he would only sign Wilson basketballs,
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Speaker 4: and he'd only sign certain things. So I have a
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Speaker 4: Michael Jordan jersey hanging in my house. Should I sell
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Speaker 4: that it's done up a gun or what?
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, he's another one. All of his stuff
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Speaker 2: has gone up in value at an incredible rate last
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Speaker 2: couple of years in particular, and you're right, he doesn't
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Speaker 2: sign a ton He's an exclusive deal with Upper Deck,
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Speaker 2: and upper Deck doesn't have the right to maket licensed
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Speaker 2: NBA cars anymore. So his autographs are limited to basketballs
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Speaker 2: and jerseys and you know, more more higher end things,
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Speaker 2: so you don't see them as often and they're super valuable.
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Speaker 2: As a result, you might want to sell it. Yeah,
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Speaker 2: I would never.
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Speaker 4: I would never.
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Speaker 3: All right. When I first read the headline to your
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Speaker 3: article that you wrote for the F it said Otani's
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Speaker 3: cup is what I saw, I clearly just glanced over.
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Speaker 3: I'm like, oh lord, that. But we're talking about a
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Speaker 3: souvenir cup, not a protective cup that Otani wears to play.
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Speaker 3: So the souvenir cup. Has there ever been I mean,
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Speaker 3: this much of a story over a baseball souvenir cup.
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Speaker 2: No, And you know, any any type of cup from
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Speaker 2: Otani would be worth a ton of money, but this,
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Speaker 2: this is definitely I think a first. You know you.
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Speaker 2: Of course, souvenir soda cups have been around forever. You
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Speaker 2: can go to any game in the country and find
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Speaker 2: a souvenir souvenir soda cup. But what made this one
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Speaker 2: unique beyond just being Otani was the price tag attached
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Speaker 2: to it. It's cost originally cost seventy five dollars at
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Speaker 2: Dodger Stadium. They just put it on sale for this season,
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Speaker 2: and it got a lot of notice for that price
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Speaker 2: tag because it's it sounds ridiculous on on on the surface.
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Speaker 2: Now it came with free Refit refills the day of
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Speaker 2: the game, so there was that element to it. But
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Speaker 2: that's not worth seventy five dollars. But make it worth
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Speaker 2: seventy five dollars is that it's Otani. Is the special
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Speaker 2: limited edition cup. They're not making a ton of them apparently,
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Speaker 2: and and and so it caught people's attention. You know,
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Speaker 2: initially it was a lot of outrage because of that
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Speaker 2: high price point. But then the team came back, i
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Speaker 2: think on Saturday it was, and lowered the price by
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Speaker 2: about six dollars and said you can get free refills
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Speaker 2: for the entire season if you bring it back for
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Speaker 2: each game. So that's kind of changed the value proposition
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Speaker 2: at at the games. But what really made it valuable
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Speaker 2: was it was Tani. So people started selling them on
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Speaker 2: eBay and on the secondary market since it was an
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Speaker 2: item that you could only get at games. People, you know,
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Speaker 2: Otani fans from around the world couldn't get it. So
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Speaker 2: it's been commanding huge prices on the secondary market people
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Speaker 2: who just want that Otani cup, and it's now selling
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Speaker 2: for north of tars apiece.
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Speaker 3: For free sodas. I mean, that's that's legit. If you
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Speaker 3: keep going to the Dodgers game, you're just gonna keep
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Speaker 3: getting free sodas. But we talked earlier to Maximonci about
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Speaker 3: the bobbleheads. Are the Dodgers missing a chance for even
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Speaker 3: more money? If I would ever even utter those words,
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Speaker 3: the fact that they give away these bobbleheads, the fact
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Speaker 3: that they're doing this as a to me, it's still promotion.
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Speaker 3: I get it. It's seventy dollars now for an Otani cup,
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Speaker 3: but it's refillable, and it's like you could You're never
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Speaker 3: gonna make your money back, but you could. If you're
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Speaker 3: a regular Dodger, a tender, you could drink a lot
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Speaker 3: of sodas with that for free. So is this something
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Speaker 3: that the Dodgers are possibly like gonna change the game
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Speaker 3: in the sense that they would start charging for these
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Speaker 3: bobbleheads that are going on the market for fifteen hundred
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Speaker 3: dollars in two hours after somebody gets it.
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Speaker 2: I mean they could, but I think in the grand
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Speaker 2: scheme of things, that wouldn't be enough of a revenue
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Speaker 2: generator for them to make it worthwhile and to ruin
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Speaker 2: that good will that those bobble giveaways bring them. I mean,
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Speaker 2: they do more bobblehead giveaways per season than any other
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Speaker 2: team in the majors. Dodgers fans in particular love bobbleheads,
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Speaker 2: so they do a ton of those. They get a
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Speaker 2: lot of people in the door for those. You know,
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Speaker 2: last night they had the Yoshi bobblehead, the Nintendo character
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Speaker 2: has a time to the new movie, and people were
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Speaker 2: lined up for hours before the game to get a
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Speaker 2: hold of one of them. Those are selling for more
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Speaker 2: than tw hundred bucks apiece on secondary market now, so
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Speaker 2: they generate a lot of a lot of interest. They
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Speaker 2: get a lot of fans in the stadium. Not that
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Speaker 2: they need any help with that these days, but it's
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Speaker 2: just it generates a lot of good will. So I
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Speaker 2: don't think they would they would mess with that, all.
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Speaker 3: Right, Well, that is a perfect segue to my last question.
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Speaker 3: Is the goodwill everybody goes whoa game used uniforms, all
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Speaker 3: this stuff on MLB options. You know who's getting all
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Speaker 3: that money? Uh?
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Speaker 2: MLB. Sometimes it goes to charities. For the WBC auction
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Speaker 2: you know, the team Italy auctioned off their espresso machine
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Speaker 2: that was in the dugout and the funds from that
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Speaker 2: went to a charity the team picked. So sometimes it's charity.
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Speaker 2: But yeah, usually it goes to either the Players Association
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Speaker 2: or or MLB itself. The teams.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's not the player not the Players Association. The
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Speaker 3: game used, Game used memorabilia is almost a billion dollar
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Speaker 3: game used. Major League Baseball memorabilia is almost a billion
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Speaker 3: dollar industry. That team that fans think, oh well, it's
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Speaker 3: probably goes to players and everything that is one Major
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Speaker 3: League Baseball owned and they keep all of that. That
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Speaker 3: is not when when they talk about revenue sharing and
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Speaker 3: all this stuff and being open with the players, that
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Speaker 3: is something that the team's pockets are getting lined. And
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Speaker 3: it has become a major revenue stream four teams.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, it's become such a big industry that
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Speaker 2: I wouldn't be surprised if that becomes a bigger negotiation
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Speaker 2: point in the future for the Plays Association. In the League.
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Speaker 2: Like you said, it's just so much money generated by
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Speaker 2: it now that it's it's huge. Yeah.
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Speaker 4: And by the way, one time, I remember on Jackie
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Speaker 4: Rumson Day when I was I took off my jersey
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Speaker 4: and I handed it to a buddy of mine that
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Speaker 4: was in the stands and the team I was playing
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Speaker 4: for at the time, you would have thought I gave
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Speaker 4: away the Holy Grail. I mean, it was unbelievable how
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Speaker 4: mad they were. They're like, well, now we can't sell it.
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Speaker 4: I'm like, sorry, I don't know where you're doing it.
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Speaker 4: I don't know where it is, but they were so mad.
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Speaker 4: But what I want to know, Brooks, is what's next.
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Speaker 4: You're talking bobbleheads, souvenir cups, this that people were. Every
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Speaker 4: team is trying figurines, every team is trying the Little Ducks, right,
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Speaker 4: the Little Ducks were popular for a while. What's the
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Speaker 4: next thing that's coming down the line for collectibles that
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Speaker 4: people are just gonna have to get their hands on.
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Speaker 2: I mean, the main thing will always be trading cards.
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Speaker 2: That's the biggest piece of the pie in the collectibles world.
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Speaker 2: You know, sports, even non sports, trading cards have become
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Speaker 2: huge with Pokemon and all that stuff, But uh yeah,
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Speaker 2: baseball cards will always be king in the sports, in
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Speaker 2: the sports card world and in the sports collectibles world.
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Speaker 2: So I think we'll probably see more and more tie
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Speaker 2: ins with with baseball cards at at game days and
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Speaker 2: and uh maybe even giveaways. But it begins with baseball cards.
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Speaker 4: Well before I know, we gotta let you go. But
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Speaker 4: I don't have my next question because you keep bringing up,
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Speaker 4: so are we pricing kids out of baseball cards? With
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Speaker 4: with sites that charge three hundred, four hundred, five hundred,
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Speaker 4: one thousand dollars for one or two cards? Yeah, and listen,
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Speaker 4: I I've been in on it. I bought some stuff.
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Speaker 4: But you talk to some of the players. Bobby win
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Speaker 4: is huge into collecting all his cards, right, Matt Strom
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Speaker 4: is another guy. They want to all their cards. But
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Speaker 4: even they're like, gosh, people want so much for one card.
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Speaker 4: Are we pricing kids out of cards?
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Speaker 3: Sorry?
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Speaker 4: I know we're kind of off off here.
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Speaker 2: No, it's a great question, and and you know, I
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Speaker 2: think it's a big dilemma for the hobby as it grows,
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Speaker 2: for the market as it grows, because there is a
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Speaker 2: lot of demand for the high end cards. Everybody wants
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Speaker 2: those one of ones, autographs, piece of the Jersey, kind
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Speaker 2: of crazy cards, but they're really expensive, and if you
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Speaker 2: include those in products, it makes the product more expensive
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Speaker 2: because everybody wants to to buy it up and resell
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Speaker 2: it and make a profit off it. You know, a
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Speaker 2: lot of these companies do a good job of putting
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Speaker 2: out products at different price points. And yes, the cheaper
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Speaker 2: products don't have those super high end cards or the
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Speaker 2: crazy valuable ones that everybody wants, but they're a good
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Speaker 2: entry point for for kids and for new collectors. So
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Speaker 2: I think they do a decent job of giving that
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Speaker 2: variety and you know, both ends of the spectrum kind
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Speaker 2: of thing. But yeah, I think going forward to that
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Speaker 2: to do be a little bit more careful about not
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Speaker 2: pricing peace pull out as more and more people get
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Speaker 2: into it. Yeah.
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Speaker 1: My only take on that part, though, is from someone
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Speaker 1: who really loved collecting cards. When I was a kid,
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Speaker 1: I wasn't doing it just being like, oh, I wonder
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Speaker 1: how much money I can make. You know, sometimes I'd
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Speaker 1: look and be like, cool, I picked this rookie, and
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Speaker 1: now he's better and his card is tripled or quadrupled.
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Speaker 1: But I almost look at it like a car, right
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Speaker 1: your first car for most people should be something that
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Speaker 1: you can just throw together and get you on the
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Speaker 1: road and drive. But as you build up over time,
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Speaker 1: maybe you save up and then you can drive something nicer.
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Speaker 1: So if you're a collector, eventually later on you can
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Speaker 1: go for that box or that pack that caused four
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Speaker 1: x the more common ones. How's that analogy?
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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's that's exactly right. You know, I think collecting
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Speaker 2: is kind of a lost art. Everybody wants to make
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Speaker 2: the quick box, the quick flip, but you know, having
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Speaker 2: having cards, collectibles, just to have them and enjoy them
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Speaker 2: is is kind of a lost art these days.
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Speaker 1: Yeah.
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Speaker 4: No for me, Oh bro, you can't touch the cards
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Speaker 4: because we have cards in our studio. It's got don't
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Speaker 4: touch it. You're gonna they're gonna make it go from
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Speaker 4: a ten to a nine point five, so don't. So
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Speaker 4: you got have to put gloves on. That thing's got
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Speaker 4: to go in the pouch and know, like, what are
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Speaker 4: we doing here? You because I was in Target the
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Speaker 4: other day and shut out and they had all these cars.
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Speaker 4: I mean there was a row of cards. Every kind
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Speaker 4: of cards you ever had, from you know, Pokemon to
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Speaker 4: NFL to NBA, to MLB, to wrestling, to golf, to
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Speaker 4: you name it, to the writers at the Athletic pack
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Speaker 4: of cards, I think, but you know, I was like
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Speaker 4: going down there and then I thought about it. I
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Speaker 4: was like, man, I hope people still buy these in
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Speaker 4: According to you, they do, so that's good for the
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Speaker 4: longevity of the collecting world.
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Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean, it's kind of more popular than ever
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Speaker 2: in a lot of ways. You know, it picked back
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Speaker 2: up during the pandemic, and it had a little lull
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Speaker 2: a couple of years after that, but it's it's really
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Speaker 2: back where where it was at that time and even
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Speaker 2: higher now. And Oany's leading the way. You know, his
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Speaker 2: stuff is really kind of help you and drive that.
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Speaker 1: Brooks, thank you so much for the extended time. It's
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Speaker 1: great to have you on. You can check out many
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Speaker 1: many articles just like the common station we're having in
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Speaker 1: the Athletic from Brooks, so please do that. Thanks for
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Speaker 1: joining us.
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Speaker 2: Thanks guys.
16:08
Speaker 1: Baseball the way it should be covered, perhaps battling football
16:12
Speaker 1: the way it should be covered. The Kelsey Bros On
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Speaker 1: their New Heights podcasts talked about baseball and they don't
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Speaker 1: really understand the conditioning. So this is Jerry de Philippo
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Speaker 1: taking from their show, quote it makes no sense. Quote
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Speaker 1: you should be running sprints or doing base running, not
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Speaker 1: running foul pole to foul pole, saying stop treating baseball
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Speaker 1: players like marathoners. And then we had a long, long reply.
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Speaker 3: Was this from last year? Cretz did? We just thought
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Speaker 3: I thought he talked about this. I thought he talked
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Speaker 3: about this last year and that's why he quit baseball.
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Speaker 3: He's like, we're going to run that much. But Donald
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Speaker 3: Luke Broyce retweet was was good or quote tweet was good.
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Speaker 3: It was a good response to what it was. Right.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know when this was, but the topic,
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Speaker 1: you know, happen anytime. I think it was from a
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Speaker 1: recent show. And then Luke roy replied, but it's a
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Speaker 1: long reply, but basically he was saying to the Kelsey Rose,
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Speaker 1: you guys play every week. We play almost every day.
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Speaker 1: Pitchers run polls to endure longer outings. Nolan Ryan did
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Speaker 1: them every day he played twenty years, still throwing ninety
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Speaker 1: five at forty. Position players run bases for conditioning in
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Speaker 1: spring training during the season, we don't do much conditioning
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Speaker 1: as an everyday player. Why because we play almost every day.
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Speaker 1: He was talking about. Then you know, in this way,
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Speaker 1: you guys can chime in too, hoo. Many squats he
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Speaker 1: did over the course of a season, twenty four thousand
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Speaker 1: plus from squatting and then warm ups during the game,
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Speaker 1: the whole deal. So he just explained how much of
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Speaker 1: a difference there is and said, it's a marathon, not
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Speaker 1: a sprint. Aha, your thoughts.
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Speaker 4: I don't question football players conditioning, So I don't know
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Speaker 4: why two football players are questioning baseball players conditioning. And
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Speaker 4: the reason pitchers run polls is because they need endurance
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Speaker 4: in order to go into the sixth and seventh inning.
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Speaker 4: That's why. And as far as running sprints as a
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Speaker 4: position player, and a lot of sprints as a position player,
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Speaker 4: I'm sure you did too, Eric. We also ran bases
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Speaker 4: in spring training. Now during the season, do we run sprints? No,
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Speaker 4: because we're running during the game. And if you're playing
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Speaker 4: every day, you can't afford to run a million sprints
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Speaker 4: a game. If I played once a week, and Eric,
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Speaker 4: you can speak on this plane, you know not every day.
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Speaker 4: You might run more than I do. But as a
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Speaker 4: guy that played six, five, six, seven days a week,
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Speaker 4: I didn't run a lot of sprints. I ran a
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Speaker 4: couple to get loose and that was it. But I
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Speaker 4: still worked out. I still did my stuff. And the
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Speaker 4: reason starting starting pitchers, by the way run poles is
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Speaker 4: for the endurance factor of being able to go six
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Speaker 4: seven ins. Because when you talk to starters, you know
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Speaker 4: what they say, Oh man, my legs go first. How
18:41
Speaker 4: do I get my aerobics and my legs to stay
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Speaker 4: strong by running right? Adam wayn Wright, who I work
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Speaker 4: with on Fox all the time, you know what he
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Speaker 4: did once he ran poles for conditioning. He ran long
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Speaker 4: for a flush after they pitched that one day a week,
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Speaker 4: that once every fifth day they did a wrong run
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Speaker 4: for flush to get the blood different blood in their body.
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Speaker 4: You know what he started doing once he got a
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Speaker 4: little bit older. He called him old Man Walks and
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Speaker 4: he'd walk all around the stadium and walk for miles
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Speaker 4: right to get the blood flowing to flush. It's a
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Speaker 4: different sport. I don't tell I don't tell football players
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Speaker 4: how to lift and why they do bench presses, and
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Speaker 4: why they do this and they do that, and they
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Speaker 4: do the seven cone drill and all the stuff you
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Speaker 4: see at the combine. It's a different sport. Listen, Kelsey Rills.
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Speaker 4: You guys have a great podcast. Do you guys have
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Speaker 4: your own thing, but stay out of things you don't
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Speaker 4: know about, which is baseball. Baseball is a different conditioning
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Speaker 4: than basketball, different than hockey, different than football, different than tennis,
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Speaker 4: different than soccer. It's a different thing.
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Speaker 3: And there's so much we know. We know so much
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Speaker 3: about conditioning. To me, conditioning for baseball you have to
19:42
Speaker 3: look to guys who stayed healthy and played every single day.
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Speaker 3: So whatever Aj Prazinski did, you need to ask him. Yes,
19:50
Speaker 3: I get it. There's science, there's different things. He you know,
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Speaker 3: he came up through the time when shoot, early two thousands,
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Speaker 3: not even every team, Aj said, But not every team
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Speaker 3: had a weight room. Now every team has a visiting
20:04
Speaker 3: weight room that has to be held to a certain standard.
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Speaker 3: So we learn new things about recovery, about what it
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Speaker 3: takes to get ready for an entire season. But there's
20:12
Speaker 3: no better advice that you can follow than somebody that
20:16
Speaker 3: has done it. And if somebody like Nolan Ryan lasted
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Speaker 3: throw a mid nineties till he was forty whatever seven
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Speaker 3: years old, to me, there's some value in what he did.
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Speaker 3: There's value in all that stuff. But it's really just
20:30
Speaker 3: based on what it takes for you to get out
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Speaker 3: there and play healthy for an entire one hundred and
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Speaker 3: sixty two games. For me, I was a bench player,
20:38
Speaker 3: and so I had to play once. I would say
20:41
Speaker 3: I played once every six days in my career. So
20:44
Speaker 3: those other five days were actually harder days than the
20:47
Speaker 3: days that I would play in the game, because I
20:51
Speaker 3: would catch two two ish bullpens a starter and maybe
20:54
Speaker 3: just a little touch and feel by a reliever just
20:57
Speaker 3: so that I could stay catching the guys that are
20:59
Speaker 3: on my team. Then I had to run six to
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Speaker 3: eight sprints because probably in the game, I'm gonna run
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Speaker 3: about six to eight sprints, whether it's backing up first base,
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Speaker 3: whether it's I actually got a hit which didn't happen
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Speaker 3: a lot, so I saved my legs. But there's a
21:15
Speaker 3: lot of things that you have to do to get
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Speaker 3: ready for this season, just like football players have to
21:20
Speaker 3: be their biggest, strongest, fastest, and then they have to
21:22
Speaker 3: spend six days to recover from all the car wrecks
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Speaker 3: that happened on every single one of their plays. So
21:28
Speaker 3: it is totally different, but we are learning so much
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Speaker 3: more that it's not just old school. It's not just
21:34
Speaker 3: new school, asked the guys that stayed healthy and played
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Speaker 3: for a long time.
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Speaker 1: Booming.
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Speaker 4: And everybody's different. Everybody, not everybody, well everybody, and everybody
21:47
Speaker 4: is different. I also want to say that every everybody
21:50
Speaker 4: did I worked out every day, Okay, I worked out
21:52
Speaker 4: of some some facet some sort of way every day.
21:56
Speaker 4: And then there were guys that didn't work out of you,
21:57
Speaker 4: they worked out once or twice a week. That's fine,
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Speaker 4: needed to work out every day. It's everybody is different.
22:02
Speaker 4: Everybody is different, and everybody is different.