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Creepy Crawlers: What's Bugging Your Landscape This Halloween? · Talking Trees with Davey Tree

• 0:00
  SPEAKER_00: Welcome to the Deby Tree Expert Company's podcast, Talking Trees.
• 0:05
  SPEAKER_00: I'm your host, Doug Oster.
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  SPEAKER_00: Each week, our expert arborists share advice on seasonal tree care, how to make your trees thrive, arborists' favorite trees, and much, much more.
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  SPEAKER_00: Tune in every Thursday to learn more because here at the Talking Trees Podcast, we know trees are the answer.
• 0:23
  SPEAKER_00: I'm joined today by John Powell.
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  SPEAKER_00: He is a residential arborist for the ArborGuard Tree Specialist, a Davey Company in Atlanta, Georgia.
• 0:32
  SPEAKER_00: And today it's our Halloween episode, all about creepy crawlers.
• 0:36
  SPEAKER_00: Hey John, how's it going?
• 0:37
  SPEAKER_01: Good.
• 0:38
  SPEAKER_01: Thanks for having me on.
• 0:39
  SPEAKER_01: I'm looking forward to talking about this with uh your audience.
• 0:42
  SPEAKER_01: Before we start on the bugs, what was your season like this year?
• 0:47
  SPEAKER_01: Very hot, intense heat, humidity, and uh we had a really bad drought, which is gonna lead into this conversation.
• 0:56
  SPEAKER_01: So I'm glad you reached out to me to have this.
• 0:59
  SPEAKER_01: So we're dealing, we're dealing with a lot of insect issues.
• 1:02
  SPEAKER_01: Uh some trees are bad on it, some trees have succumbed to it.
• 1:08
  SPEAKER_00: And is it related in many cases with the drought?
• 1:12
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I um I would say primarily the drought.
• 1:16
  SPEAKER_01: Um, some things are you know circumstantial, maybe some storm damage here and there, but I would say the majority of what I'm saying is uh drought stress causing the insect infestations.
• 1:29
  SPEAKER_00: I say this all the time, but there's nothing worse than a drought for a plant person, and especially when it comes to trees.
• 1:36
  SPEAKER_00: Have you had water restrictions?
• 1:38
  SPEAKER_00: Are people able to get water on the trees?
• 1:40
  SPEAKER_01: Uh I believe certain municipalities throughout Atlanta have had it.
• 1:44
  SPEAKER_01: The clients, you know, they're pretty desperate.
• 1:46
  SPEAKER_01: They're like, hey, I don't want to lose this oak tree.
• 1:49
  SPEAKER_01: What can I do?
• 1:50
  SPEAKER_01: I know there's water restrictions, so I tell them to take a hose, put it on a trickle, make sure they're adequately mulched, and uh just saturate the soil overnight.
• 2:02
  SPEAKER_01: Uh, you really don't want to do it during the day because it's almost uh futility, right?
• 2:06
  SPEAKER_01: It'll just, it's so hot, it'll just evaporate anyway.
• 2:09
  SPEAKER_01: So a little more of an opportunity at night to get a better drenching.
• 2:14
  SPEAKER_01: At least we're trying to get these trees to survive.
• 2:17
  SPEAKER_00: So, what's first on the list for you as far as pests are concerned where you're at near Atlanta?
• 2:23
  SPEAKER_01: I would have to say southern pine beetle and ips beetles and ambrosia beetles, but uh I would say more definitely pine beetle damage in general.
• 2:35
  SPEAKER_01: Pine trees dying, pine trees uh turning brown.
• 2:40
  SPEAKER_01: Literally over a weekend, um, I take care of a pretty major golf course down here.
• 2:47
  SPEAKER_01: They we we had a tree, trees we were taking care of right before their big tournament, and as the tournament was starting, we started noticing a little bit of browning.
• 2:57
  SPEAKER_01: It was literally Friday to Monday this tree died.
• 3:01
  SPEAKER_01: Tell me about the beetle.
• 3:03
  SPEAKER_01: So we're you know, we get multiple types of pine beetles here.
• 3:08
  SPEAKER_01: Turpentine beetle, you'll see uh really big gouges in the tree.
• 3:14
  SPEAKER_01: Um, almost you could also hear them too.
• 3:17
  SPEAKER_01: Um it's like a creaking, like a creak, rick, ri, ri, ri, rik.
• 3:23
  SPEAKER_01: And if there's enough of them happening, it almost can drive you insane because it's like low enough to be quiet if you're not paying attention.
• 3:33
  SPEAKER_01: But if you are paying attention and you start focusing in on it, um, I don't know how to focus your hearing on this thing, but um at my own personal house here, I lost about 12 pine trees this past summer.
• 3:45
  SPEAKER_01: So it's been really intense heat, really intense humidity, no rain at all.
• 3:51
  SPEAKER_01: And uh these things are just probably already compromised, but this, you know, this this leaves the doorway open for these beetles to attack these trees.
• 4:01
  SPEAKER_00: Well, that sounds like Halloween all the way, with the sound of the beetle driving you nuts.
• 4:08
  SPEAKER_01: So um, yeah, um, I was with a client and we did a we did a job uh at his house, and across the street, they have like where the kids, there's a stop sign and there's a bus stop, and their neighbor across the street is an elderly gentleman, and you know, I don't think he has enough money.
• 4:27
  SPEAKER_01: So the neighbors are like chipping in to help this guy, and they wanted me to look at these pines, and it was like a cluster of them, and they're pretty big, and they're right on the corner, and they're worried about limbs breaking and falling and hitting people in cars, and you know, it does pose a safety issue.
• 4:43
  SPEAKER_01: There's like a hill, they're on like a hill, all the worst case scenarios you could have, right?
• 4:47
  SPEAKER_01: Busy intersection, hill, yeah, dead pines, pedestrians, cars.
• 4:51
  SPEAKER_01: And um, you know, we went over them, we were looking at them, and it was real early in the morning, so you know, the world's still trying to wake up and the sun's coming up, and I I hear it, and I stopped him.
• 5:03
  SPEAKER_01: I said, Listen, he goes, What?
• 5:05
  SPEAKER_01: I said, just try to be quiet and listen.
• 5:08
  SPEAKER_01: Tell me if you hear it.
• 5:09
  SPEAKER_01: And he's like, Oh my, oh my goodness.
• 5:11
  SPEAKER_01: He's like, Is that them?
• 5:12
  SPEAKER_01: Is that I said, Yep, that's the pine beetles, but you could hear this creaking.
• 5:16
  SPEAKER_01: It I think it can drive you somebody nuts.
• 5:18
  SPEAKER_01: It's almost like a uh water drop dribbling out of a sink, you know?
• 5:23
  SPEAKER_00: Is it is it their chewing that's causing the noise, or is the the pest itself makes that noise?
• 5:28
  SPEAKER_00: What is making the noise?
• 5:29
  SPEAKER_00: I think it's like their their teeth.
• 5:32
  SPEAKER_01: I think I think the teeth are making that creaking noise.
• 5:35
  SPEAKER_01: Have you ever heard it?
• 5:37
  SPEAKER_00: I have never heard it.
• 5:39
  SPEAKER_00: I don't know a lot about pine beetles, uh, but they sound like they're really bad down there, huh?
• 5:44
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, yeah.
• 5:45
  SPEAKER_01: And um, I always notice it like on the prevailing wind.
• 5:50
  SPEAKER_01: So you'll see one turn brown, you know, in the south in the summertime.
• 5:54
  SPEAKER_01: It's like a west-southwest wind, sometimes south wind for us, and you'll see like a line of them all brown and dead in the way you would like imagine the wind moving.
• 6:06
  SPEAKER_01: Is there any treatment?
• 6:08
  SPEAKER_01: Um, not if you have a whole swath of woods, it's kind of hard to just spray all the woods or do trunk injections, but on residential properties or a college campus where there's some of these really large old loblolly pines, we do trunk injections.
• 6:26
  SPEAKER_01: I did have a client uh about three years ago, they had five like enormous pines in their backyard, and it was like a downhill scenario where if they had to remove the trees, it would be almost impossible to get to these trees.
• 6:42
  SPEAKER_01: So we wind up saving four out of the five.
• 6:45
  SPEAKER_01: So I think that's a pretty good percentage, and we did catch it at the right time, but we did the trunk injections with the tree, it's called treeject, and the product is abomectin, but the the common product name is triage, and uh that's a product we actually use a lot down here where you drill into the base of the tree, it's between four and eight inches, and um that goes all the way around the diameter.
• 7:10
  SPEAKER_01: We try to get it in the root flare where the transition from the roots to the main trunk is, because that's usually the best uptake, and you put capsules in there, and it it's just you drill into the tree, it doesn't harm the tree.
• 7:23
  SPEAKER_01: The capsules go in there, and then we inject the pesticide in there, and then if it's usually I'll do multiple treatments, so that has about a year and a half to two-year residual, and that will take care of all types of insects, it covers a broad range of insects, but um, that's like the reactive um treatment, and then we do the bark spray on top of that.
• 7:48
  SPEAKER_01: So we'll do the bark spray, we'll do the trunk injection.
• 7:51
  SPEAKER_01: Now, the reason why you need the trunk injection, especially for ash trees and pine trees, is some of these trees get attacked in the upper limbs, which are what the Epps beetles are.
• 8:02
  SPEAKER_01: They're another type of pine beetle, so they'll attack the limbs, and then uh the emerald ash bore will attack the upper limb.
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  SPEAKER_01: So by the time the tree's dead, as an arborist, I don't climb every tree.
• 8:15
  SPEAKER_01: I don't have that type of time.
• 8:18
  SPEAKER_01: So, you know, I have to make my best judgment call with binoculars or trying trying to see some type of dieback or activity.
• 8:25
  SPEAKER_01: But on a pine, it seems to be um just always beyond our reach.
• 8:29
  SPEAKER_01: Like if once it's going, it's gonna go, type of scenario.
• 8:32
  SPEAKER_00: And if you had uh a stand of 10 or 20 trees financially, it for a lot of homeowners, would it not make sense to treat them?
• 8:44
  SPEAKER_00: Because it's just are you gonna keep them alive?
• 8:48
  SPEAKER_00: How often are you gonna have to treat?
• 8:49
  SPEAKER_00: What's it gonna cost?
• 8:50
  SPEAKER_00: Uh, or should we take it down?
• 8:52
  SPEAKER_00: There's all these things to think about when you're dealing with the tree and how far along it is.
• 8:58
  SPEAKER_01: So when I'm talking to clients and we run into a situation like this, we basically look at the home.
• 9:05
  SPEAKER_01: You know what a target looks like, right?
• 9:06
  SPEAKER_01: Sure.
• 9:07
  SPEAKER_01: So the house is the bullseye, that's the center of the target, that's the main investment on the property, that's the main activity, that's where people live.
• 9:15
  SPEAKER_01: So we kind of look at it as those rings that go outward on a target.
• 9:19
  SPEAKER_01: And, you know, hey, let's let's do the trunk injection on the four pine trees that are around the house.
• 9:25
  SPEAKER_01: And then as we get out further, spray, and then the ones that are on the borders of the tree line, if it's not negatively affecting your neighbors, maybe we just leave it alone and they look pretty healthy.
• 9:37
  SPEAKER_01: You know, if the tree's healthy, they're not supposed to be attacked, even through a drought, if they're healthy enough.
• 9:43
  SPEAKER_01: But we that's how we kind of delineate or prioritize, you know.
• 9:48
  SPEAKER_01: I call it prioritizing.
• 9:49
  SPEAKER_01: Let's prioritize what's most important and closest to the house and move on from there.
• 9:54
  SPEAKER_01: Hey, sometimes they want to just cut those trees down around a house and then treat further out.
• 9:58
  SPEAKER_01: So there's many options, but uh, I kind of start there just to break the ice with the client.
• 10:04
  SPEAKER_00: And when there is a drought, it seems that boring insects, they they can f see that weakness and and go after the trees.
• 10:13
  SPEAKER_01: It's um, I think it's pheromones, so the trees release pheromones um similar to like uh alcohol or ammonia.
• 10:22
  SPEAKER_01: Sometimes if you walk past a really uh dying oak tree, like a really old dying oak tree with cavities, sometimes you can smell it, like it kind of stinks, or it has like a almost like a beer, like a fermented beer smell sometimes.
• 10:36
  SPEAKER_01: Um that's not good, by the way, if your tree stinks, I'll call an arborist right away.
• 10:42
  SPEAKER_01: But um, if if there's like we can't smell it as humans, but the insects know.
• 10:48
  SPEAKER_01: So basically, we we can transition to ambrosia beetles right now.
• 10:52
  SPEAKER_01: From what I understand is that when a tree's stressed, it creates these pheromones.
• 10:58
  SPEAKER_01: The ambrosia beetle is from Asia, it has no natural predators.
• 11:02
  SPEAKER_01: So the ambrosia beetle will sense this pheromone, they'll go to the tree, they'll actually create a pheromone themselves that attracts other boring insects to this one particular tree.
• 11:18
  SPEAKER_01: Um, when it's early, you'll see them in like a five to six inch band from the from the base of the tree up.
• 11:26
  SPEAKER_01: So usually they when I catch it early, it's not all the way around the whole trunk.
• 11:31
  SPEAKER_01: So you're starting to get like a column shape of activity.
• 11:35
  SPEAKER_01: Um when it's a total infestation, you'll see it around the whole trunk.
• 11:39
  SPEAKER_01: But what they're doing is they keep sending these pheromones and more and more ambrosia beetles are coming to this tree.
• 11:45
  SPEAKER_01: Well, when the tree reaches max capacity, they send another pheromone that blocks more beetles from coming to the tree.
• 11:53
  SPEAKER_01: So when the other beetles are coming to this tree, they find out, hey, this is taken, and then they'll now they're already on the property, they look for something else.
• 12:03
  SPEAKER_01: Maybe it's a little stressed, but not as stressed as the initial tree.
• 12:06
  SPEAKER_01: And this is where you kind of have a snowball domino effect where trees that were kind of stressed but weren't gonna die now are exposed.
• 12:15
  SPEAKER_00: Well, John, now it sounds like a horror movie.
• 12:17
  SPEAKER_01: That's well, financially it could be for somebody.
• 12:21
  SPEAKER_00: And not only do I have to look up at my tree, down at my tree, now I gotta smell my tree too.
• 12:26
  SPEAKER_00: That's right.
• 12:29
  SPEAKER_00: Uh well, that that sounds awful with those those types of uh beetles.
• 12:34
  SPEAKER_00: What what else is on your list of of creepy crawlers uh for our Halloween episode?
• 12:40
  SPEAKER_01: Um, I would say mites are really bad down here too, and you're gonna see them on, you know, your your I'll say Christmas tree-shaped evergreens.
• 12:51
  SPEAKER_01: So you're gonna see them on Leyland Cypress, you're gonna see them on sometimes cryptomeria, arborvitees, Chinese arborvities down here, and green giant arborvities um really are very difficult plant in the south.
• 13:07
  SPEAKER_01: Um, our clay soil is not very plant-friendly in general, and um, you know, the environment is just brutal.
• 13:15
  SPEAKER_01: Even, you know, when it's 90 degrees and above, I I I think water evaporates like one inch per day.
• 13:22
  SPEAKER_01: And um there's just not enough coolness or moisture in the air for the transpiration to take place.
• 13:29
  SPEAKER_01: So the trees start closing down, they get stressed, and then uh ultimately like they die, right?
• 13:36
  SPEAKER_01: But the mites, the mites are bad.
• 13:38
  SPEAKER_01: You'll see browning, you'll see bronzing.
• 13:40
  SPEAKER_01: A way to mite test.
• 13:41
  SPEAKER_01: Um, if any homeowners are listening, is you could actually taste take a piece of white paper from your printer.
• 13:47
  SPEAKER_01: If you have a printer, you know, you shake, you kind of clap the the needles, the pie needles, the the green needles on the on the thing, and then you take your hand and you swipe it.
• 14:00
  SPEAKER_01: And if there's reddish brown smear, it means you have mites.
• 14:04
  SPEAKER_00: What's the control for mites?
• 14:05
  SPEAKER_01: You don't want to do systemic soil treatments on mites because you can continually get mite outbreaks, but you want to do like foliar applications.
• 14:14
  SPEAKER_01: So any uh mite aside, you could do hoard oil treatments over the uh cooler months.
• 14:20
  SPEAKER_01: So a lot of these products are temperature specific.
• 14:23
  SPEAKER_01: You just have to read your labels.
• 14:24
  SPEAKER_01: But you know, if you're gonna do horticultural oil sprays in the northeast, you can kind of get into the spring with those.
• 14:31
  SPEAKER_01: Um, in the south, you want to stop, I would say, about February, early March with your hoard oil sprays.
• 14:38
  SPEAKER_01: But what the hoard oil does is it kind of creates, it's hard for them to crawl on, and it also suffocates them as well.
• 14:45
  SPEAKER_00: Is it all sorts of different types of mites?
• 14:48
  SPEAKER_00: Because when I think of mites uh up here in Pittsburgh, I think spider mites, but are there lots of the other types of mites too that attack trees?
• 14:56
  SPEAKER_01: There are uh mainly spider mites down here.
• 14:59
  SPEAKER_01: Um, you know, that's all I really see mainly is you know, our mite issues are on you can so azaleas can get them, boxwoods can get mites.
• 15:08
  SPEAKER_01: It's not just the Christmas tree shape trees, the evergreens, the classic evergreen look.
• 15:14
  SPEAKER_01: But yeah, the mite mites can be a real issue, especially with that drought.
• 15:18
  SPEAKER_01: And the pines can get mites too.
• 15:19
  SPEAKER_01: We had actually a drought two, three years ago where we had um pine soft.
• 15:26
  SPEAKER_01: So the pine trees down here, most of them have it's called fusiform rust.
• 15:32
  SPEAKER_01: So with the rust, or it's it's kind of like a leaf spot and bark issue.
• 15:38
  SPEAKER_01: And when the trees have rust, they get stressed, they're always kind of fighting this problem.
• 15:44
  SPEAKER_01: So that creates the stress for the tree, right?
• 15:46
  SPEAKER_01: They're fighting an issue.
• 15:48
  SPEAKER_01: Now you have a drought, now it introduces more stress, now it's susceptible to insect activity.
• 15:54
  SPEAKER_01: So we wind up having pine saw fly issues.
• 15:58
  SPEAKER_01: Um, and what was happening is uh on one of my properties, the squirrel like chunks of pine green were just getting ripped out of trees, and uh the squirrels were kind of doing on one property.
• 16:10
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know why, but I gathered all these pine.
• 16:14
  SPEAKER_01: I I could have made a Christmas tree, that's how much pine I picked up off the ground.
• 16:17
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, and then I uh had it analyzed by our lab, and uh we had mite activity, pine sawfly activity, it had the fusiform canker.
• 16:27
  SPEAKER_01: So we actually, you're not supposed to do systemic soil treatment on pines, but we did in that particular situation, and it wind up working pretty well, and they did recover, but um they're really sensitive down here, you know, especially when we get that drought.
• 16:43
  SPEAKER_00: And you sound like you really have to roll with the punches on exactly what treatments will work to try and save these trees, uh, which I think is really interesting from an arborist point of view.
• 16:55
  SPEAKER_00: Uh, it's you know, that that sounds a really weird uh thing when parts of the pine tree are falling from the top of the tree.
• 17:04
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I don't know why the squirrels out here were just super aggressive.
• 17:08
  SPEAKER_01: And um it was actually our office manager, Kathy.
• 17:12
  SPEAKER_01: It was her trade.
• 17:12
  SPEAKER_01: She's like, uh, can you go over there and look?
• 17:15
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know what's going on.
• 17:16
  SPEAKER_01: And I'm like, why are all these green, healthy, you know, needles falling?
• 17:22
  SPEAKER_01: Um, but her trade looks sparse too, really sparse.
• 17:25
  SPEAKER_01: And you you'll like with that fusiform canker or rust, you'll see like you'll see the limbs curl.
• 17:32
  SPEAKER_01: They'll start giving like this curling effect, and then they'll get sparse and they'll kind of just try to recover and put along, but it was it was uh kind of hard to diagnose that one.
• 17:45
  SPEAKER_01: Um usually I'll send something to the lab to confirm or hey, I didn't even know this was a thing.
• 17:51
  SPEAKER_01: So uh see, they planted Leyland Cypress down here, which is a man-made tree.
• 17:56
  SPEAKER_01: It's a it's an um Alaskan cedar and a Monterey Cypress crossed.
• 18:02
  SPEAKER_01: So those are two trees from the northwest, right?
• 18:05
  SPEAKER_01: Well, bring it down to the southeast.
• 18:07
  SPEAKER_01: What do you think's gonna happen?
• 18:08
  SPEAKER_01: It it they get mites, they get botkanker, they can get uh twig leaf miners, like they can get an insect that goes down the twigs.
• 18:18
  SPEAKER_01: So um I would say don't uh plant a leyland cypress.
• 18:23
  SPEAKER_01: But if you want something to grow four to six foot a year, that's the tree to go.
• 18:26
  SPEAKER_01: See in the northeast you get ice storms, so it kind of breaks them apart, but we've removed like 40 to 60 foot leyland cypresses down here.
• 18:36
  SPEAKER_00: Well, even up here in zone six, if you have a polar vortex, you can lose one of those trees.
• 18:45
  SPEAKER_00: They can't take it, you know, it gets so cold.
• 18:47
  SPEAKER_00: Again, it's it's a like you said, it's from the northwest.
• 18:50
  SPEAKER_00: Um, so does somebody, if you go to a client and he says, I want this Leyland Cypress, is your job to talk him out of it, or or because it doesn't sound like a good tree down there, I mean, it's gonna get so many issues.
• 19:07
  SPEAKER_00: You don't want to plant them, do you?
• 19:09
  SPEAKER_01: If they're gonna plant a Leyland cypress, I don't recommend it being in like a row where they can crowd each other out.
• 19:15
  SPEAKER_01: I don't recommend it it be along a fence, and I don't recommend it being in shade.
• 19:20
  SPEAKER_01: So the problems we get is where people plant them where they're kind of in an uphill battle as it is.
• 19:27
  SPEAKER_01: So they'll push out a lot of aggressive growth and they look green and healthy probably the first five to eight years, and then they start actually competing within themselves for sunlight.
• 19:37
  SPEAKER_01: So they'll start to drop needles and get sparse on the bottom.
• 19:41
  SPEAKER_01: So the whole point of having this privacy barrier is going away, and the and their privacy barriers actually growing away from them, and it's in that upper canopy because it's getting the most sun.
• 19:51
  SPEAKER_01: If you're gonna plant a Leland Cypress, buy one and plant it in the middle of a field, but it needs eight hours of sunlight and it needs to have sunlight all around it.
• 20:00
  SPEAKER_01: We do have some that are successful, but I I wouldn't say it's a great plant.
• 20:05
  SPEAKER_01: Um, there's other things like hemlocks actually do fairly well in this region.
• 20:10
  SPEAKER_01: It's like they don't get the hemlock woolly adelgid here because probably it's too hot, but we're like elevation-wise high enough that they that they do fairly well.
• 20:19
  SPEAKER_01: So I always tell people to plant a hemlock.
• 20:21
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, that would be nice because up here, hemlock, woolly adelgid, it it's it's killing our hemlocks.
• 20:27
  SPEAKER_00: And luckily last winter we had a really cold winter, although you know it's awful, but as far as the pests are concerned, especially hemlock, woolly adalgud, are are definitely knocked back by a really cold winter.
• 20:41
  SPEAKER_00: When you've when you do find the right place for the right tree, what do you like to plant down there?
• 20:47
  SPEAKER_01: Actually, um, Dawn Redwood does pretty good down here if you want like an evergreen type tree.
• 20:53
  SPEAKER_01: Um they they seem pretty adaptable to almost any environment I noticed.
• 20:59
  SPEAKER_00: Um when it's down when it's down there, is a Dawn Redwood deciduous still?
• 21:03
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, it still drops its needles.
• 21:05
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 21:06
  SPEAKER_01: Um, now there people do plant bald cypresses.
• 21:10
  SPEAKER_01: I don't recommend that.
• 21:11
  SPEAKER_01: They tend to be really aggressive with their growth.
• 21:15
  SPEAKER_01: And a lot of my clients, they call them knobs or knees, where they get the growths like you would see in the swamp, right?
• 21:23
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, and people are like, well, how do I run my mower over that?
• 21:26
  SPEAKER_01: So there's one client I had where his landscape designer, there was there's like a like a drainage sewer or ditch like right in his front yard.
• 21:36
  SPEAKER_01: So the whole neighborhood kind of drains to this cul-de-sac, and then it kind of like drains to his property.
• 21:43
  SPEAKER_01: Well, his landscape designer told him to plant this tree, it absorbs a lot of water, it's made for the swamp, and this is that scenario, right, with the bald cypress.
• 21:51
  SPEAKER_01: And this thing grew.
• 21:53
  SPEAKER_01: I I mean, it's like 30, 40 inches.
• 21:56
  SPEAKER_01: I said, How long ago did you plant that?
• 21:57
  SPEAKER_01: He goes, Oh, like 25 years ago, and it is like massive, and we climb it, we reduce it off his house, and he believes it's the roots are in that drain now, which I believe it is too.
• 22:09
  SPEAKER_01: But I don't think that was a good recommendation.
• 22:12
  SPEAKER_01: Um, not to pick on landscape designers, but they're not there for the long haul.
• 22:16
  SPEAKER_01: They're there for the let's plant it, it looks great.
• 22:19
  SPEAKER_01: Here's our plan, but there's usually never a maintenance plan.
• 22:23
  SPEAKER_01: See, Arboras think 30, 40 years from now.
• 22:25
  SPEAKER_01: If I plant this in 30 to 40 years, is it gonna be on the house?
• 22:30
  SPEAKER_01: Is it gonna push up the driveway?
• 22:31
  SPEAKER_01: So you really got to pick something where it's gonna have room to grow and not negatively affect other things.
• 22:39
  SPEAKER_00: Well, John, that's sage advice.
• 22:41
  SPEAKER_00: And boy, what a Halloween episode.
• 22:44
  SPEAKER_00: You you you should make a horror movie, Atlanta Arborist, whatever.
• 22:49
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, come ride with me around Atlanta.
• 22:51
  SPEAKER_01: You'll have a horror movie in about 10 minutes.
• 22:54
  SPEAKER_00: All right, John.
• 22:55
  SPEAKER_00: Thanks a lot.
• 22:56
  SPEAKER_00: Appreciate your time, and I'm sure we'll talk soon.
• 22:58
  SPEAKER_00: Thank you very much.
• 22:59
  SPEAKER_00: You have a great day.
• 23:00
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• 23:07
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• 23:09
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